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Another Republican Debate Tonight

Boulder, CO will host tonight's Republican debate.

Trump is slipping, Carson is gaining, and Jeb Bush still has no momentum.

Here are the issues the debate will focus on.

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    Jeb has (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 03:02:06 PM EST
    Jebmentum! It appears to come from the same place that Joementum came from however.

    I'm not sure I'm going to watch. One evening with crazy was enough for me. I can't believe that even the moderators don't start laughing.

    For an alternative (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:01:54 PM EST
    We have really been enjoying The Best Time Ever with Neil Patrick Harris on NBC.  You can watch past episodes on demand or on Hulu right now.

    It's funny, it's entertaining, it's part game show part variety show.  They do pranks on both celebrities and regular people (but never malicious or humiliatng).  Every week, there's a celebrity guest announcer (Reese Witherspoon, Jack Black, Alec Baldwin, to name a few).  They do a version of karaoke via Skype with unsuspecting people across the country and have the real singers actually there singing the song (last week, they had the B-52s). Every show ends with "The End of the Show Show" - usually something with music and acrobatics, where NPH joins in (one week they had Blue Man Group).

    If you just want to be entertained with good clean wholesome entertainment, with no serious societal or political message or point of view, by something like that's also funny and leaves you happy after watching, then I recommend it.

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    That sounds like great fun (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by sj on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:52:15 PM EST
    It's like a new, live take on a variety show. And I do like variety shows. The best ever being Carol Burnett's and Dean Martin's.

    Of course, I did love Cher's wardrobe reveals when she had her own show...

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    Thanks for the (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:20:00 PM EST
    heads up.

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    Pretty smart of Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:34:49 PM EST
    To buy massive ad time and run 4 news spots during the debate tonight.

    Yep, (none / 0) (#9)
    by sj on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:53:16 PM EST
    That's pretty brilliant.

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    Post card (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:43:52 PM EST
    10% flat tax from Cruz(tithe if you will), and of course the overarching narrative, tax cuts pay for themselves, and the poor and the middle class win big of course. Voodoo economics at its best.

    I don't believe a word that comes out (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:53:15 PM EST
    of Fiorina's mouth.

    And I love how they all rail about getting the government out of people's lives when it comes to money and business, but man do they love government when they can use it in people's personal lives.

    Christie- nothing can be fixed through (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:58:46 PM EST
    Washington DC.

    That's why he wants to be president?

    nice practical plan he recommends too (none / 0) (#51)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:00:42 PM EST
    "stop sending them money until they stop wasting the money they've already got"

    The Wesley Snipes strategy

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    Huckabee, your "livelihood" is political (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:20:37 PM EST
    pontificating and snake oil sales. No one buys your 'doing it for the good of the country' schtick.

    I hate to say it, but Trump sells the odious (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:29:27 PM EST
    and bats**t crazy better than the rest of them. He has such supreme confidence.

    Sometimes, (none / 0) (#69)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:59:32 AM EST
    he sounds like the most rational of the lot.

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    Was unable to watch the (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 06:39:17 PM EST
    Republican debate, and today (Saturday) was the first opportunity to view the recording.  While not contemporaneous, it did give me an opportunity to assess the media and other reviews against my own.

    Overall, I did not find the CNBC debate to be much different in tone or substance than the previous debates.  I agreed that some of the questions were inane (but what else is new) and some were nasty and judgmental (Trump's comic).  The moderator management was the big problem.  Not adhering to times, and, worst of all, not being prepared enough to call some answers for what they were: lies.

    Cruz got high marks from some,deploying the Gingrich "media has liberal bias" It always works with this victim crowd.  It was evident that Cruz was waiting to use his line--he even had that barely suppressed smirk.

     Trump was subdued, relatively, he is the best entertainer, even when he does not say anything--just the anticipation of what he might say.  Kasich's comments, while in large measure on target, came across as a tirade.  And, he seemed a scold. Not a pleasant look.  He telegraphed those comments prior to the debate, diminishing the impact.

      Christie, while slouching toward a losing battle with relevance, did get in a good line on occasion.  But, his bully boy has been outdistanced by the pro in this crop. Huckabee said some sane things about social security and medicare, but then it was clear to me that he is in it for the grifting capabilities and he does not care if it shows to all but the marks.

     I did have a different take on Jeb!  He has been assigned to the toast department, given his supposed miss on his Marco hit.  I saw it differently: I think it was a real hit.  Marco deflected it, because the moderators permitted it and the audience preferred Marco to Jeb, making it seem other than what it was.  And, Jeb, was not energetic but he was more than the bowl of mashed potatoes as portrayed. Hopefully, the guy who recommended Jeb wear that undertaker's suit was one of the staff let go.

     Rubio was the apparent star, but that star did not shine very bright.   He seemed as dour as Fiorina on a bad day; he evaded and bobbed around.  The audience did not want to hear that the Sun Sentinel endorsed him, because it was jeb.  But, it was the start of the larger public coming to grips with the fact that Rubio is sleazy, but slick like wax paper. And, as deep.

      The absolute worst was Ben Carson.  His pants must be made of asbestos to withstand that fire.  He not only lied about never having financial relations with that company, but that snake oil company (cures for cancer, m.s, AIDs)product (glyconutrient) endorsement is a biblical abomination, something he claims to know about.  He even had prostate radical surgery and said he did not need it because of that wonder nutrient (bark and aloe) because he is a role model.   I have long maintained that there is something seriously wrong with him.  

     Of course, there was Rand Paul who pledged to filibuster the budget bill, and did so the next day--for 18 minutes.  Paul is likely if he keeps his KY senate seat.  

    The RNC has the problem of too many candidates on the stage.  Maybe, the kids table should be expanded and the big guys stage can be contracted.  Plenty of room next to Lindsey and Jindal.  

    Actually (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 07:26:06 PM EST
    here days later it seems like Jeb may have really drawn blood with Marco. Now everybody is talking about Marco's bad business deals, sugar daddies and all his other baggage going back two decades in the fevered swamp of GOP politics in Florida. At the same time of the attack all the oppo research seems to have been unloaded into the news. The truth is for Jeb to have any chance at the nomination he is going to have to take out Marco but hard as old Jeb tries he cannot take out Trump.

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    Not (none / 0) (#142)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 07:59:39 PM EST
    really sure how much Jeb is involved. Not much oppo research here, it's all public record and has been reported on several times  previously. I think it was the gotcha question at the debate that opened up this particular can of worms.

    However I suspect this

    Scarborough: Marco Rubio `Flat-Out Lied to the American People'
    has Bush's fingerprints on it.

    We will see over the next couple of news cycles how this plays out, but it is getting to be desperation time for Jeb! if Rubio starts surging in the polls, the money will follow and Bush will be officially toast.

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    Definitely (none / 0) (#143)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 08:32:04 PM EST
    agree the money is driving a lot of this. It's not like Jeb doesn't have a ton of baggage himself. I suppose that Jeb's debate performance was supposed to allay the fears of the donors which it did not.

    In a lot of ways this is a repeat of 2012 but it's not the front runners that are going down. It's the second and third tier candidates that are getting into wars with each other. Jeb and others have tried to take down Trump to no avail.

    At this point though even if Marco takes down Jeb where does Marco win? He's not going to win in the south on Super Tuesday. Right now it looks like Trump is going to own that one. Midwestern evangelicals? Ben Carson is their guy. I don't see any of their voters migrating over to Rubio should either Trump or Carson drop out.

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    I (none / 0) (#145)
    by FlJoe on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 07:38:29 AM EST
    disagree, I think there is a clear lane for Rubio.

    Sure the planets have to align, but that also applies to all the candidates. Just looking at polls doesn't tell the whole story right now, sure the "establishment" candidates are only polling around 20% but are attracting  70% of the money(WAG). The first candidate that consolidates that establishment becomes the richest.

    I happen to believe  that 20% is only the floor. Republican voters have had a recent history of flirting with insurgents and then holding their nose, closing their eyes and sticking their fingers in their ears(who said they can't multi task)and fall in line.

    Of course I have been mostly wrong this cycle, fearing Walker, laughing at Trump and gob-smacked at the rise of Carson, and the whole mess has devolved into  unexpected savagery. When even the establishment candidates start breaking St. Ronnie's commandment

    Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican
    early and often it's a sure sign they are losing their religion.

    Right now my gut feeling is that Trump, Rubio and  Cruz will be last three standing come Super Tuesday, predicated on Bush quietly fading out without doing to much damage to Rubio and Carson flaming out and Cruz seizing most of his support.

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    I still think it could go all the way (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 09:27:15 AM EST
    To the convention.   With all those and maybe even a couple more.

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    That (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 11:34:54 AM EST
    has been the history but it sure looks different this year. The establishment has lost control of the process and if money were all that was needed Jeb wouldn't be having the problems he has been having.

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    Christie (none / 0) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 11:21:50 PM EST
    I really, really dislike Christie but IMO he threw a pretty good punch at his whining colleagues today on Fox and Friend.

    "The moderators didn't control the debate. They did an awful job. Their bias was showing, and it was despicable," he said on "Fox and Friends." "Now, that being said, if you're running for President of the United States and you can't handle yourself against three CNBC moderators without, you know, crying foul and calling for intervention, then you're not gonna do very well against Vladimir Putin either. So I'm not going to complain about it."

    "If you can't handle yourself on that debate stage, you have no business running for president of the United States," Christie added.



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    This is a great example (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 09:25:57 AM EST
    Of why this meeting today could be a very interesting thing.

    A clash of drastically different goals and hidden agendas.  

    Christie had some moments in that last debate.  Giving them a lesson on how to respond to questions they think unfair.   I think he is still milking it.  I would be to.  If I was him.

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    He is definitely milking it (none / 0) (#149)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 12:47:59 PM EST
    for all it is worth. A good political move is IMO a good political move even when it comes from someone I consider very bad for this country.

    Yes, the Republican clown car can be very interesting at times. I have to admit being clueless on whether or not their current base will agree to go along with an establishment candidate this election cycle.

     So far I've only come across one Republican who thinks Trump is anything other than a joke and the other Republicans really haven't stated who they liked.

    IIRC, you may interact with more of the Republican base than I do. So what is your guess on who will win the nomination and if an establishment candidate, will the non establishment segment of the base fall in line?

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    Looking forward to this (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 03:59:13 PM EST
    Summer is over.   Time to go big or go home.   It's nothing much to lose time.

    Make sure you have popcorn.

    Have to miss it tonight. (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 04:33:52 PM EST
    Will record it for later viewing.  Would appreciate your (and other TL) running comments.  

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    Who will Kasich punch? (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 05:21:56 PM EST
    How much of a piñata will Marco be?   A lot I think.

    Will Dr Carson find his glasses?

    Who will cry?

    I will be here.

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    The Miami Sun-Sentinel, which has the ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 06:05:09 PM EST
    ... largest circulation in Florida, took note of Marco Rubio's ostensible remarks that he found the Senate "frustrating" and "hates [his] job." Pointing out that Rubio has missed 59 floor votes this year alone, more than any other senator, the paper roundly excoriated him in last night's op-ed:

    "You are paid $174,000 per year to represent us, to fight for us, to solve our problems. Plus you take a $10,000 federal subsidy -- declined by some in the Senate -- to participate in one of the Obamacare health plans, though you are a big critic of Obamacare. You are ripping us off, senator.

    [...]

    "Two weeks ago, you took to the Senate floor to excoriate federal workers at the Department of Veterans Affairs for failing to do their jobs. You said, 'there is really no other job in the country where if you don't do your job, you don't get fired.' With the exception of your job, right?

    [...]

    "Look, a lot us are frustrated by our jobs and office politics. But we still show up for work every day to earn a paycheck. By choosing to stay in the Senate and get the publicity, perks and pay that go with the position -- without doing the work -- you are taking advantage of us. [...] Your job is to represent Floridians in the Senate. Either do your job, Sen. Rubio, or resign it."

    Were I an establishment Republican, I wouldn't be quite so ready to anoint Rubio as the party's savior quite yet. While he may have a silver tongue and sound like a natural, even a cursory look at his background and history would support an opponent's contention that he's really nothing more than a smooth-talking grifter.

    Aloha.

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    To be fair, $174K is chump change in D.C. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 06:50:10 PM EST
    In a city as expensive as D.C., a pol trying to survive on a $174K pittance would barely have the strength to hold his hand out.

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    Marco Rubio has a well-documented history ... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:39:57 PM EST
    ... of problems regarding his personal spending habits. He's only 44 years old, and yet per the Washington Post, this year he's liquidated a $70,000 retirement account, which is a rather extraordinary financial move that comes with a sizable tax penalty.

    Prior to become U.S. senator, while serving as chair of the Florida GOP, Rubio's indiscreet use of a party-issued credit card for personal expenses, such as the installation of a stone walkway at his west Miami home, soon ran him afoul of his own Republican brethren.

    According to his 2013 financial disclosure filings, Rubio's annual salary as a U.S. senator is $174,000 and he further derived another $57,000 in income from book royalties and rental property. Per data from the 2010 U.S. Census, not including his wife's income, Rubio's personal income alone places him in the top 5% nationally in terms of household income. Yet his net worth was listed as $130,000 in the red, and the following year, he buys an $80,000 boat?

    (The New York Times, in reporting on Rubio's personal finances, incorrectly said that it was a "luxury speedboat" when it was actually a fishing boat, a mistake which Republicans immediately pounced upon, as though that distinction nullified the actual point the Times was making about the senator's serious accrual of personal debt.)

    It should also be pointed out that while he was serving as Speaker of the Florida State House, Rubio also held a job with a high-profile Miami law firm that paid him over $300,000 annually. He then bought a $550,000 home in west Miami, and within weeks of completing that purchase, he got the house reappraised at $735,000 and opened a $135,000 home equity line.

    And remember, all this is about a guy who regularly lectures the rest of us about our country's failure to rein in its own debt and spending. Do we really want someone like this in charge of the country?

    'Tis to laugh.

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    et al (none / 0) (#121)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:26:30 AM EST
    So Rubio missed votes. As he pointed out so did Kerry and Obama...and I suspect every Senator or Representative who ever ran for Prez did the same.

    As for his money, he has 4 girls in private school and bought a house...wow.

    Isn't the real question.... Has he paid his bills on time and in accordance with the terms of the loans?? And remember, he has paid his student loans and his parents were poor.

    Look, Rubio isn't my favorite but if those are the only things you can criticize then you have nothing.

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    I find (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:44:58 AM EST
    it hysterical that the GOP is now promoting Rubio after spending eight years screaming about how unqualified Obama was. If Obama was unqualified then Rubio certainly is. Look it's been proven that Rubio mishandled or embezzled funds from the FL GOP. That's not a debated fact. That is a matter of record.

    You know what's even funnier? Rubio quotes Obama verbatim.

    The house was foreclosed on and you and I ended up picking up the tab.

    He's even admitted that he "deserved" all this because of his background. What a putz. And then to boot he completely fabricated his family's story about coming from Cuba. Apparently Jeb is unloading all the oppo research he has on Rubio.

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    Wanna talk house purchases?? (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 12:58:16 PM EST
    Obama also elaborated on previous statements about his private real estate transactions with Rezko, saying they were not simply mistakes of judgment..

    Chicago Tribune

    The senator has said he was unable to afford both the home and an empty lot next to it which were effectively being sold as a package. Rezko's wife ultimately bought the empty lot, closing the same day as Obama did on his home.

    A federal judge sent accused Illinois political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko to jail today after federal prosecutors accused him of violating his bail terms by a convoluted series of financial transactions with Mideast banks.

    ABC News


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    Jim (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 04:00:13 PM EST
    that says nothing about the house being foreclosed and the tax payers like you and I picking up the tab like we did for Rubio and his sugar daddy.

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    Really?? You are all concerned?? (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 05:05:05 PM EST
    An adjustable rate mortgage, initially through GMAC, called for interest-only payments until April. The homeowners stopped making payments in February after a dispute about the amount once the interest-only period ended. Burgos said the home is under contract for sale and the agreement will allow it to continue.

    Sounds like a dispute over terms to me.

    OTOH hand Obama had a felon help him purchase a house.

    It's Chinatown, Jake.


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    Jim (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 05:30:18 PM EST
    the article says Rubio failed to make payments. You are still supposed to make the payment even if it in dispute and the reason Rubio quit paying is like a lot of people that got arms-they payment went up and they could no longer afford the house. Rubio couldn't afford the house so he went into foreclosure and deliberately did not make the payments.

    The fact of the matter is he's the exact type of person the GOP has been blaming for years for the economic collapse instead of taking responsibility for their policies. I find the GOP twisting themselves in knots over this downright hysterical.

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    if Rubio does get elected (none / 0) (#126)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:50:06 AM EST
    we will not be vacationing in Cuba.

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    I would keep the reservations (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 03:02:45 PM EST
    For now

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    Ft Lauderdale Sun Sentinel (none / 0) (#54)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:13:28 PM EST
    Miami Herald
    Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel
    Palm Beach Post
    Orlando Sentinel

    are the local fish wraps.

    Aside from that the Sun Sentinel has always been more conservative than the Post or the Herald, so I wonder if this editorial is because it supports JEB

    FWIW I think Rubio an empty suit who can't get deep into any subject - but then neither could the sainted Reagan, so what do I know?


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    Thank you for the correction and info ... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54:37 PM EST
    ... about the Sun-Sentinel and its editorial perspective. Since it has the largest circulation of any Florida paper, I just assumed that it was based in Miami. If they're pro-Jeb!, that editorial appears in a different light.

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    dont know if they are still pro Jeb (none / 0) (#101)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 05:49:15 PM EST
    But I always found them more conservative than the Herald and the Post and if memory serves they endorsed JEB in the past

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    Still, Molly, that's good to know, ... (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:29:47 PM EST
    ... so again, thank you for that local perspective, which helped me to understand where the Sun-Sentinel was perhaps coming from with that editorial.

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    Endorsed JEB and Romney (none / 0) (#106)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 07:43:48 PM EST
    They endorsed JEB in  2002 and Romney in 2012.  So we are right to wonder

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    And Obama in 2008 (none / 0) (#150)
    by jbindc on Sun Nov 01, 2015 at 01:27:17 PM EST
    A barf bag would be more to the point. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:09:59 PM EST
    They all look tired already (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:20:15 PM EST
    Guess they should not have started campaigning in April.

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    Only fair (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:23:20 PM EST
    They should be at least as sick of it as we are.

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    Ha - truth (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:11:59 PM EST
    I can't watch much more...

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    Kasich makes his play (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:23:24 PM EST
    Not messin around.   Right to the point.  Who cares what my weakness is WE ARE ABOUT TO PICK A LOSER!!!

    Looks twitchy and desperate.

    Trump/Kasich (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:34:54 PM EST
    It's on!

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    the debate, streamed live from (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:49:04 PM EST
    here.

    via Europe.  I love the internet.

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    Via Europe, huh? (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:25:54 PM EST
    That makes perfect sense, given that so many of the Republicans' current rants sound much more authentic in their original German.

    (Bah-DUMM-Bumm-Bumm!)

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    I'm sure (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    Trump took down Kasich without missing a beat.

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    Marco is (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:40:53 PM EST
    Sucking and blowing at the same time.

    Jeb for the kill (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:41:27 PM EST
    Christie rallies the paranoids. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:50:24 PM EST


    Ted is making his move (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:51:11 PM EST
    Trying a Newtish attack on a moderator.  Seemed to work.

    It's a total whine-fest...they sound like (none / 0) (#19)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:55:06 PM EST
    spoiled brats who missed their naps this afternoon.

    They just suck so bad on policy, I can't stand it.

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    Huckabee says (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:55:13 PM EST
    "Let me finish" and they say ok. Ted Cruz says it and they ignore him.

    social security: Cruz wants to raise the retirement age and let younger people keep their money in private accounts. Where's Al Gore and his lockbox?

    I'd like to find a box big enough to (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:00:23 PM EST
    lock these people in...I don't think they have a clue, not one freaking clue, how hard it is to work and work and work and hope you're still healthy enough to one day, waaaaay off in the future, get a chance to collect a Social Security check that isn't nearly enough to live on.

    Really frosts my cupcakes to hear them still talking about private investment accounts for Social Security - what? the Wall Street crowd isn't making enough money with our 401(k)s?

    So annoying.

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    Huckabee (none / 0) (#21)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 07:56:09 PM EST
    says Bernie Madoff was less of a crook than the goveernment when it comes to what they stole from seniors.

    Making some sense there (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:01:09 PM EST
    For a moment.

    So far good fir Huckabee and Ted Cruz.

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    It may resemble "sense" but it is not. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:12:41 PM EST
    Madoff was a sociopathic monster.  Hucklehead's bombast has crossed a rubicon.

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    Huckabee does actually have (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:17:04 PM EST
    Things to say about SS and Medicare you won't hear from another republican.  

    That was my point.    Bernie was one f several colorful metaphors that got in the way.

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    lol, i just wanted to type "hucklehead" (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:59:37 PM EST
    I was just about to say (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:03:41 PM EST
    The questioners were doing a good job when Ted Cruz started whining they were mean and not good.  

    Just tuned in...lots of cranky there tonight (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:10:28 PM EST


    I can't imagine voting for any of these (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:15:39 PM EST
    cretins and their, ah, I teresti g spin on history.

    Oh, here goes Carly In her sound bite mode.

    We're having a big, windy rainstorm, (none / 0) (#31)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:19:35 PM EST
    and my DirecTV has gone into satellitus interruptus, so I'll have to catch the parts I'm missing later.

    Not missing much so far (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:22:06 PM EST
    Dr Carson explaining selling medical snake oil.  Getting help from the crazies in the audience.

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    Didn't know they were in Boulder (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:25:04 PM EST
    That has to be hell on their cognitive dissonance problem - such a great place, so liberal....they better get back to some more familiar red state hell hole soon or their heads will spin right off their shoulders.

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    Only 100 students (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:27:04 PM EST
    Out of 1200 (I think) they managed to fill the place up with crazies I think.

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    Bussed them up from Co Springs probably (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:30:50 PM EST
    Donald goes hard after (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:28:45 PM EST
    Superpacs.  

    Oh, Rand Paul is on stage (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:29:53 PM EST
    Watching g for 15 minutes and had not seen hm yet.

    Blame it on the Fed!

    Rubio (none / 0) (#40)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:37:22 PM EST
    and Bush both lie about their tax plans,

    I haven't heard a tax plan yet that (none / 0) (#44)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:44:35 PM EST
    made any sense.  It's the same old snake oil, where cutting taxes is going to generate jobs.  

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    THE SCOURGE OF DRUGS!!! (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:41:42 PM EST


    lol. Zuckerberg's "personal senator" (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:45:46 PM EST


    God, Trump remains a total ignoramus (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:47:01 PM EST
    on immigration....and everything else.

    wowsa. Christie zung one in. fantasy football (none / 0) (#48)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 08:57:16 PM EST


    Who's tax plan is looniest? (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:07:19 PM EST
    This has been way more boring (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:14:53 PM EST
    Than I hoped.  I'm very disappointed.  Not enough empty drama and name calling.

    LOL on Trumps debate time negotiating (none / 0) (#56)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:18:33 PM EST
    killer superpowers.  Lord spare us from this blowhard.

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    I keep imagining the Clintons watching (none / 0) (#60)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:31:20 PM EST
    it and playing a drinking game, making 'ooh, I'm scaaaared' faces when they mentioned her name.

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    Jim Cramer without his sound effects (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:25:00 PM EST
    That was weird.

    How is it even possible for (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 09:46:37 PM EST
    Jeb to do even worse than last time?

    It (none / 0) (#68)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:58:44 AM EST
    is a stunning achievement.

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    to be fair... J.e.b. looked taller than the others (none / 0) (#96)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 02:20:53 PM EST
    He also looked kinda geeky, standing around like an accounting temp trying to reconcile a double set of books.

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    Well, I feel no such need to be fair. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:33:32 PM EST
    Jeb! had the urgent look of a guy who's about to ask you if you might know the location of the nearest men's room.

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    Actually, (none / 0) (#108)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:03:42 PM EST
    Jeb kinda resembles the men's room attendant in an upscale restaurant.

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    marco shows his mettle (none / 0) (#62)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed Oct 28, 2015 at 11:13:31 PM EST
    Marco Rubio did sharply well when replying to the claim that he should be resigning because of missing votes, by comparing his voting record to that of Graham, Kerry and McCain and showing the hypocrisy of the others involved.

    I like Rubio Carson or Carson Rubio . . .  Rubio also did well in observing that Clinton's hearing had helped establish that Clinton was lying for several weeks after the Benghazi attacks by blaming them on some video producer while privately having told others that the attack was the work of an al-qaeda affiliate, one that needed no video to provoke their attack.

    Trump has had to backtrack on his comments about high tech visas . . .

    Not to embrace Sen. Rand Paul, ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 12:02:43 AM EST
    ... but since he's also campaigning for president, I'd note that he's missed only 10 floor votes. So is Sen. Bernie Sanders, who's also missed 10. In contract, Marco Rubio has skipped put on 59.

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    about missing votes (none / 0) (#76)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:56:47 AM EST
    How many of the votes which Rubio has missed have been decisions with a vote in which the spread is less than 5, if I may ask?

    Apparently Graham, Kerry and McCain all missed various numbers of votes--you do admit that, a fact of which I was not aware . . .

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    Yes, it's true (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:14:56 AM EST
    link

    But the fact of the matter is, he is also not running for his Senate seat, do he's basically given up on his constituents altogether.

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    and how was his record (none / 0) (#82)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:40:49 AM EST
    prior to running for president? Not good
    According to GovTrack, an independent congressional monitor that tracks the voting records of all congressional offices in the Capitol, Rubio is consistently at the top end in terms of missed votes. In 2014, a year before he even announced his presidential campaign, Rubio was in the Top 15, missing 45 out of the 657 Senate votes taken that year -- an abstention rate of 6.8%.

    His excuses always ring hollow.

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    Truth is (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:49:42 AM EST
    Marco was able to look pretty good.   Only because the others were so bad.   He could have been nailed with simple follow up a couple of times and they, the moderators and other candidates, let him slide.

    There is another debate coming up very soon.  I doubt that happens again.

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    Marco (none / 0) (#84)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:01:22 AM EST
    did a lot to overcome the perception that he is a lightweight. It was easy enough considering this crowd and the praise the media are starting to lavish him with.

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    The media has been (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:24:02 AM EST
    Pushing Marco fir months.   What Jeb allowed him to get away with last night more than anything else is why the talk today is Jeb is done.

    Marco will get a bump.  But there has never been riper fruit.   Donald will dissect him.

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    WTF do the vote margins have to do ... (none / 0) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:52:58 PM EST
    zaitztheunconstricted: "How many of the votes which Rubio has missed have been decisions with a vote in which the spread is less than 5, if I may ask?"

    ... with Rubio's consistent failure to show up at the office? Leadership isn't going to schedule a measure for a floor vote unless they have a majority vote well in hand. If a differential of 5 or less is your standard for making an appearance, then hell, why should any of the senators bother to show up?

    And that record is just about Rubio making an appearance during a roll call vote on the Senate floor. He's not showing up at committee hearings, either.

    Do you even have a clue as to how legislative bodies actually function?

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    That is illogical (none / 0) (#67)
    by mm on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 06:45:17 AM EST
    Saying it was the responsibility of an "al Qaeda-like" group says nothing about whether the protests over the film provided an opportunity to attack.

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    are you lying for misstating what Rubio said? (none / 0) (#71)
    by ding7777 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 07:49:38 AM EST
    you: Rubio observed [...] Clinton was lying for several weeks

    Rubio: She spent over a week

    but in either case it totally destroys the idea that the video was floated to protect Obama's reelection.  So now what is your reason for the "lie"?

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    re Clinton's obfustications . . . (none / 0) (#75)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:54:21 AM EST
    hm . . . well, in my haste to not read more carefully, I suppose that we can limit her lying to several days . . .  lying that at the hearing, she labelled inexplicable confusion . . .

    As Rep. Jim Jordan noted, on Sept. 11, 2012, the night of the Benghazi attacks, Clinton emailed her daughter that "two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an al-Qaida-like group." That's also what she told the Libyan president that evening and the Egyptian president Sept. 12.

    But in a public statement on Sept. 11, she blamed a spontaneous protest of an anti-Islam video. She blamed the video again on Sept. 12 and Sept. 13. The father of one Benghazi victim relays how Clinton told him that the administration would arrest "the filmmaker who was responsible for the death of your son."

    The false narrative was promoted by other Obama officials in the following weeks . . .  Forgive me if, not being a journalist and always careful, I temporarily conflated who is was making false statements about a video.

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    you want the benefit of (none / 0) (#90)
    by ding7777 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:40:59 AM EST
    "temporarily conflat[ing]" statements made by others but refuse to extend that reasonable courtesy to Administration officials in the immediate chaotic aftermath of the multiple protests made on US embassies.  

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    There was (none / 0) (#74)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:43:35 AM EST
    no lie, at least not from Hillary.

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    oh, well, the troll zaitz can read . . . (none / 0) (#77)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:59:24 AM EST
    the "troll" zaitz reads more . . . (none / 0) (#78)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:01:49 AM EST
    the "troll" reads . . . (none / 0) (#80)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:10:29 AM EST
    Once again (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:17:38 AM EST
    Please point me to the lie Not to what pundit thinks she said.

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    ok, lets check (none / 0) (#89)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:40:49 AM EST
    did hrc in fact claim that the accountability and review board was independent and nonpartisan?

    I don't know but some writer at national review seems to think she did.  Do you happen to know?

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    zaitztheunconvicted: "[D]id hrc in fact claim that the accountability and review board was independent and nonpartisan? I don't know but some writer at national review seems to think she did.  Do you happen to know?"

    ... was chaired by 82-year-old Ambassador Thomas Pickering, a highly distinguished and well respected career diplomat with over 40 years' worth of foreign service experience, who has served not only current President Barack Obama but also the previous seven in various capacities, dating back to the days when he was Special Assistant to Secretary of State William P. Rogers during the Nixon adminitration.

    Pickering was President Reagan's ambassador to El Salvador (1983-85), George H.W. Bush's ambassador to India (1992-93) and Bill Clinton's ambassador to Russia (1993-96). He holds the rank of Career Ambasador, which is the absolute highest rank in the U.S. Foreign Service.

    So, yes, by any reasonable standards of measure accepted by rational people, the Benghazi ARB was both independent and nonpartisan, one which further conducted a thorough inquiry which pulled no punches in its apportionment of responsibility for what happened in that tragedy.

    But I guess that in your parallel universe of White Wingbatopia, it's apparently a fact that Tom "Howlin' Dog" Pickering was tripping on acid and selling weed at the 1967 Monterey Pops Festival, before assuming simultaneous leadership of both the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground, conspiring to frame the Nixon White House for the Watergate break-in, and then co-founding the Symbionese Liberation Army and plotting the kidnapping of Patty Hearst.

    So, if you want to continue to embarrass yourself here by engaging in yet another round of specious conspiracy theories and baseless allegations about Benghazi, I hereby yield the balance of my time and the floor is now yours.

    Adios, payaso.

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    Is (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 04:16:04 PM EST
    that the best lie you can come up with? The Co-chairs had impeccable bipartisan credentials. anyway the ARB could hardly be partisan or not, it was tasked to find structural failures in the system rather then assign blame for political points.

    Once again quote me  one single lie Hillary made re: Benghazi or STFU about it.

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    We have the emails and the videos (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:33:53 AM EST
    She lied.

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    You (none / 0) (#127)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 11:08:09 AM EST
    can shout it all you want, now prove it. Quote her words (in context please) and show the falsehoods.

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    That is not his/their objective, (none / 0) (#128)
    by mm on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 11:24:24 AM EST
    now prove it

    the objective is to defeat Hillary Clinton.

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    The emails were shown (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 01:00:25 PM EST
    and the videos were shown.

    Do you live in a cave?

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    I (none / 0) (#132)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 01:08:21 PM EST
    thought so, you scream lie but are unable to actually point to one.

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    If you don't watch the news (none / 0) (#134)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 03:52:11 PM EST
    there is really nothing I want to do for you.

    But I do enjoy you trying to defend the indefeasible.

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    I (none / 0) (#140)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 06:42:52 PM EST
    watch the news compulsively and have read the transcripts and statements multiple times and see no lie. You claim to see a lie but you can't even point to it. You make the accusation you provide the proof, that's the way it works in any kind of honest discussion, not that you would understand honesty.

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    "Oh, Those Debating Republicans..." (none / 0) (#65)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 01:33:40 AM EST
    - Gail Collins, NYTimes

    "What the hell are you people doing to me?" Trump demanded in Iowa, where he's no longer in the lead. Perhaps we will look back on this as the moment when the former star of "The Apprentice" fired a state.

    Because Carson's voice always sounds so moderate, responses that make no sense whatsoever can sound sort of thoughtful until you replay them in your head.

    Bush's only two moments of energy involved Rubio, who he seems to hate, and fantasy football, which he really, really enjoys.



    Senator Bizzaro in 2nd-tier land (none / 0) (#66)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 01:38:04 AM EST
    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who claims to have made a combined score of 800 on his SATs, wouldn't stop bragging about his poor academic record at the second-tier Republican presidential candidates' debate on Wednesday evening.

    Graham took part in the debate in Boulder, Colorado, before the main event, in which the 10 leading candidates are scheduled to take the stage. He faced off against Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former New York Gov. George Pataki.


    The way (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 07:37:04 AM EST
    Priebus is whining today the debate must not have gone well for the GOP. I love now how Republicans are whining about CNBC, the Wall Street channel, as the "librul media"

    Reported this morning (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:27:01 AM EST
    Jeb doners are officially in full panic mode.    

    Jeb is in big doodoo.

    He sucked last night.  

    Trump carries a gun... (none / 0) (#73)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 08:29:02 AM EST
    Granted he has a concealed carry permit for NYC, which are very difficult to come by, or should I say come buy.  Wonder how many other candidates have CC permits?  Have past presidents carried guns?  I'm sure George Washington did.

    All the post debate polls (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 09:08:36 AM EST
    Say Donald won.  Wait, what?  He said, like, two things.   One was abut the gun.

    That must have done it.

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    Or, he SAYS he carries (none / 0) (#87)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:15:49 AM EST
    I don't find that (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:44:12 AM EST
    Hard to believe at all

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    From his (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:59:21 AM EST
    (Tacky) 5th Avenue penthouse to his limo to his office to fancy restaurants?

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    I'll go for Grant (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:36:02 AM EST
    and Jackson if you mean as President. Maybe Truman.

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    Rubio is the most dangerous Republican (none / 0) (#85)
    by CST on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:05:13 AM EST
    left, I thought it would be Jeb, but I didn't realize just how bad at politics Jeb is.  It's really astonishing.

    I just hope Rubio's star rising now will make him more of a target going forward.  I don't know enough about him, he seems like a bit of a lightweight, but on paper he's definitely the most electable, IMO.

    The thing I enjoy most ? (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 10:57:10 AM EST
    The confusion and consternation among the rightish media about the "nature of the questions" at political debates.

    Why oh why do the moderators so consistently ask unfair irrelevant questions to their candidates?   Why oh why can't they ask substantive policy questions like they do of democrats.
    Why oh why??? FOX, CNBC, why do they hate us?    Why do they ask us things that don't matter?

    Wait, I know!  
    Stop nominating people who are completely baths!t crazy?  How about that? THEN they would not need to ask embarrassing questions about what they think?

    How about that?

    They're so silly (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 11:03:54 AM EST
    Cruz's attack on the moderators was smart politics -- but it was almost precisely backwards. The questions in the CNBC debate, though relentlessly tough, were easily the most substantive of the debates so far. And the problem for Republicans is that substantive questions about their policy proposals end up sounding like hostile attacks -- but that's because the policy proposals are ridiculous, not because the questions are actually unfair.

    The Republican primary has thus far been a festival of outlandish policy. The candidates seem to be competing to craft the tax plan that gives the largest tax cut to the rich while blowing the biggest hole in the deficit (a competition that, as of tonight, Ted Cruz appears to be winning). And the problem is when you ask about those plans, simply stating the facts of the policies sounds like you're leveling a devastating attack.

    Link

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    Anecdotally (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 11:43:43 AM EST
    judging from what I see on social media from locals Cruz was the big winner among them for that attack. Unlike the beltway media that seems to think Rubio won, they are all raving over Ted Cruz.

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    More on Cruz's attack (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Nemi on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 07:42:11 PM EST
    "GOP Debate: It Literally Does Not Matter What the Question Is"

    But the highlight of the first hour, and the most vivid example of what was going on, was when Ted Cruz was asked about the budget deal that was struck this week between the Congress and the White House, and he replied by ripping the moderators up one side and down the other. This was the Tailgunner in full cry, channeling the spirit of the original Tailgunner when he called the last Democratic debate, "the Bolsheviks vs. the Mensheviks." Are you now, or have you ever been...

    This wasn't a lack of control. The format was fine.  But there's nothing you can do about someone like Ted Cruz, who isn't encumbered by either truth or civility. Even defending the other candidates, he doesn't care what damage he does, as long as he can stand atop the rubble. Come to think of it, that could be said of pretty much all of these people.​



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    Yeah, that question (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 09:37:41 AM EST
    about Fantasy Football really exposed a very important issue.

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    I saw about 40 seconds of Trump post debate (none / 0) (#98)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 04:01:46 PM EST
    in which he 'guaranteed' that Hillary got asked much easier questions. It was so unfair!!!!

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    I think Carson is most concerned (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 29, 2015 at 05:27:12 PM EST
    Not surprisingly being the most batsh!t crazy.

    He is "organizing" with "other campaigns" to change the format and eliminate "got ha" questions.   Which apparently is pretty much any question.

    It will be interesting to see how much support he gets for that since other campaigns want the moderators to ask him these questions so they don't have to.


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    As (none / 0) (#109)
    by Nemi on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 08:13:41 AM EST
    Digby writes, after having stated that to her the question at the D-debate

    Which of you is more handsome and why?

    sounds more like "the creepiest of gotchas" rather than a "softball question", the first question Anderson Cooper asked Hillary Clinton at the D-debate, was:

    All right. Let's begin. We're going to be discussing a lot of the issues, many of the issues, important issues that you have brought up. But I want to begin with concerns that voters have about each of the candidates here on this stage that they have about each of you.

    Secretary Clinton, I want to start with you. Plenty of politicians evolve on issues, but even some Democrats believe you change your positions based on political expediency.

    You were against same-sex marriage. Now you're for it. You defended President Obama's immigration policies. Now you say they're too harsh. You supported his trade deal dozen of times. You even called it the "gold standard". Now, suddenly, last week, you're against it.

    Will you say anything to get elected?

    Heh, right - as Digby snarkily observes: 'a real lovefest'.

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    Is (none / 0) (#110)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 04:44:18 PM EST
    it just me, or did the Republicans have the Reublicans crossed into Whineland and set up headquarters in downtown Whineville.

    Even as we speak a wall is being built to keep out those nasty gotcha questions.

    Sure sounds like they have. (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 06:28:17 PM EST
    After all, their previous debate was at the hallowed Regan Library in Simi Valley, CA -- or as my mother calls it, "California Whine Country."

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    The (none / 0) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 08:36:58 PM EST
    next one should be at the Nixon Library with Dick Cheney moderating, they could go back to pure ratfkng evil, this whining is unbecoming for them.

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    Republican Presidential candidates are revolting! (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 08:16:09 PM EST
    At least (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 09:06:09 PM EST
    they are knocking on the right door when they are talking about the RNC and what they are doing.

    The GOP will never just admit that the press in general in this country is rotten because then they would have to concede that Fox is a disgusting swamp. They will continue to whine and whine about the "liberal" media.

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    Oh, man...this is all just such a circus. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 09:20:43 PM EST
    I think the whining is going to play well with the hard-core, but out among the rest of the voters, I think this is going to hurt them.

    I guess it will be interesting to see what happens in the next GOP debate, which is coming up fairly quickly - and perhaps more interesting to see how the next Democratic debate plays out.

    Had the CNBC folks had a better grip on the format, it's possible some of the nonsense could have been avoided; you'd think, for example, that if Becky Quick was going to challenge Trump on something he said about Mark Zuckerberg, that she'd have, right in front of her, the source for that comment - instead of allowing Trump to eat her lunch, and end with her apologizing to him.  Later, when she had the info, Trump just brushed her off - it was too late.  It just made her look incompetent and as if she had tried to "get" him on some made-up comment.

    Kills me that these people make millions to do a bad job.

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    You've been around, Anne. (none / 0) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 30, 2015 at 09:45:46 PM EST
    And just as I have, I'm sure you've met any number of people in your work whose own remuneration would be much more commensurate with their actual abilities, were the decimal point on their paychecks to somehow be moved a mere two places to the left.

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    I just wanted someone to agree (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 06:53:49 AM EST
    That republican presidential candidates are revolting.

    They definitely are.

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    I (none / 0) (#118)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 07:05:20 AM EST
    Think next time Carson should organize the others and rush the moderators before can do any more damage.

    Maybe the network should arrange for some concealed carry permits for the moderators and hold it in a stand your ground state, Trump could even bring his piece. It would be ratings gold.

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    Rubio (none / 0) (#119)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 07:26:50 AM EST
    Bags a big one
    One of the wealthiest and most influential Republican donors in the country is throwing his support to Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, a decision that could swing millions of dollars in contributions behind Mr. Rubio at a critical point in the Republican nominating battle

    The decision by the donor, Paul Singer, a billionaire New York investor, is a signal victory for Mr. Rubio in his battle with his rival Jeb Bush for the affections of major Republican patrons and the party's business wing.



    Yeah (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 07:59:03 AM EST
    this is a message that the GOP establishment is with Rubio. However what state is he going to win in the GOP primary outside of Florida?

    I will tell you that in a general election my GOP family members will not vote for him because he's a minority. They would vote for Hillary before they will vote for him.

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    Good point, Ga6th (none / 0) (#129)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 12:30:12 PM EST
    Ultimately, too, does Cruz have the same problem ... of does appearance there potentially shield him?

    It dawned on me as I read your comment: Assuming Rubio rises because Bush falls, what happens <in the "establishment" lane if Rubio cannot stand up to the expected new scrutiny?  Stories starting to surface about his various financial dealings & sugar daddy(s) could cause a bit of a detour for him.  So ... does Kasich then have an opening, or do you read that as not being at all acceptable to the southern further right? <p> BTW, if I haven't done so directly already: You should be complimented for your VERY EARLY read on Jeb Bush.  As I've told husband more than once "There is this woman on the blog that I visit who has analyzed correctly a few years back Bush's problems with the Repub base, and has correctly forecast the big potential for Ted "McCarthy" Cruz."  'Looking forward to your next installment on the current Repub candidate dilemma....

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    It doesn't (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 31, 2015 at 03:58:13 PM EST
    seem that Cruz has the same problem. First of all being from Texas makes him seem "safer" but also Cruz does evangelispeak which I don't think Rubio does. It seems to me that Rubio is the darling of the old Cubans in Miami but not anybody else except perhaps the new darling of the establishment.

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    Some great quotes from Obama (none / 0) (#151)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:02:19 AM EST
    Speaking at a fundraiser Monday:

    Speaking about candidates' big talk about handling Vladimir Putin, he said, "They say, when I talk to Putin, he's going to straighten out. And then it turns out they can't handle a bunch of CNBC moderators."

    "If you can't handle those guys, I don't think the Chinese and the Russians are going to be too worried about you," the President concluded.

    President Obama also mocked Republicans for denying climate change.

    "You go to a doctor. No, let's change that. If you go to 100 doctors and 99 of them tell you you have diabetes ... you wouldn't say ahhh, that's that's a conspiracy. All 99 doctors got together with Obama to keep me from having bacon and donuts. You wouldn't do that. There's not a single person here who would do that. It would be funny, but it's about climate change."


    The President is clearly (none / 0) (#152)
    by christinep on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 11:31:26 AM EST
    enjoying administering the well-deserved jabs.  And, his tone & delivery in doing so: Perfect.

    About the Repub debate tempest-in-their-home-brewed-tea ...another example of overplaying a position.  Not only did the President find it funny, so have a lot of others ... and, once again, the Repubs take their rightful place as the earned butt of jokes ... with even Fox' Megyn Kelly reportedly noting that she was looking where the demands of the candidates placed rules about neck massage.  My question would be: Which candidate requested that the debate studio temperature be no higher than 67 degrees? Probably, sweaty Rubio.

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    Yes, they are great (none / 0) (#153)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 11:55:24 AM EST
    Obama did get something wrong thought .

    There is one person here who would say "ahhh, that's that's a conspiracy. All 99 doctors got together with Obama to keep me from having bacon and donuts."

    I will give you 3 guess who and the first 2 don't count. 😄

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