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Time's person of the year is Angela Merkel (no link, autoplay audio/video.) You can read a summary of her career here.

Donald Trump is threatening to run as an Independent if Republicans don't treat him fairly. He cites some poll that says 68% of his Republican followers would vote for him as an Independent. (no link due to auto-playing videos on all links I could find.) [More....]

"The people, the Republican Party, have been -- the people -- have been phenomenal," Trump said. "The party — I'll let you know about that. And if I don't get treated fairly, I would certainly consider that."

But since Republicans know that if Trump runs as an independent, Hillary walks right into the White House, it's more likely they will do what it takes to keep him. Even swallow his "no Muslims" entering the U.S. nonsense.

Trump signed the pledge not to run as an Independent in September. Guess that shows how much his word is worth.

Since it looks like he'll thumb his nose at anyone who gets in his way, I may start calling him Donald Thump, or "The Thumper."

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    This isn't new news (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 11:04:09 AM EST
    Donald Trump is threatening to run as an Independent if Republicans don't treat him fairly.

    Trump made this statement 3 months ago.

    Supposed to be 70 degrees (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 01:41:29 PM EST
    and partly cloudy in DC on Saturday. I think I will take advantage of this grand December weather and visit the MLK memorial for the first time. DC is only about 90 miles to the south of me.

    Tomorrow at 5am (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:07:04 PM EST
    It's supposed to be warmer than the average high temp fir the day.  Then end up in the mid 70s.  
    Right through the 7 day.

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    Did You Know They Were Muslim (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:15:40 PM EST
    Michael Jordan
    Mike Tyson
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Aziz Ansari
    Dave Chappelle
    Mos Def
    T-Pain
    Ice Cube
    Andrea 3000
    Busta Rhymes
    Dr Oz
    Cat Stevens
    Janet Jackson
    Iman
    Busta Rhymes
    Everlast
    Snoop Dogg
    Jemima Khan
    Busta Rymes
    Michael Arquette
    Omar Sharif
    Omar Epps
    Akon
    Ellen Burstyn
    Casey Kasem
    Amal Alamuddin

    The Statue of Liberty

    The first draft for what would become the nation's symbol of welcome to the "huddled masses" was conceived by French sculptor Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi not for the Statue of Liberty but for an entirely different project: a lighthouse that would stand at the entrance to the Suez Canal.

    According to historian Michael B. Oren, in his book "Power, Faith, and Fantasy," Bartholdi would carve the likeness of an Egyptian peasant woman holding aloft a torch of freedom. The monument, twice as high as the Sphinx, would guard the waterway's entrance and perhaps double as a lighthouse. Its name would be Egypt (or Progress) Bringing Light to Asia."

    Algebra, Algorithm, and Decimals

    Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi
    The word "algorithm" is derived from the Latinization of his name, and the word "algebra" is derived from the Latinization of "al-jabr", part of the title of his most famous book, in which he introduced the fundamental algebraic methods and techniques for solving equations.

    Perhaps his most important contribution to mathematics was his strong advocacy of the Hindu numerical system, which Al-Khwarizmi recognized as having the power and efficiency needed to revolutionize Islamic and Western mathematics. The Hindu numerals 1 - 9 and 0 - which have since become known as Hindu-Arabic numerals - were soon adopted by the entire Islamic world. Later, with translations of Al-Khwarizmi's work into Latin by Adelard of Bath and others in the 12th Century, and with the influence of Fibonacci's "Liber Abaci" they would be adopted throughout Europe as well.

    Al-Khwarizmi's other important contribution was algebra, a word derived from the title of a mathematical text he published in about 830 called "Al-Kitab al-mukhtasar fi hisab al-jabr wa'l-muqabala" ("The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing"). Al-Khwarizmi wanted to go from the specific problems considered by the Indians and Chinese to a more general way of analyzing problems, and in doing so he created an abstract mathematical language which is used across the world today.

    Slow day around here.

    thanks for that list (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:19:55 PM EST
    but it's incomplete because you don't say how many of the rich, prominent Muslims you listed have spoken publicly for or against the following practices (to name just a few):

  • withholding of education for girls
  • female genital mutilation
  • death by stoning for adulterers
  • gang rape of women as punishment for their male relatives' misdeeds
  • death by stoning for rape victims
  • sexual slavery for little girls
  • sexual slavery for widows
  • death by suicide vest for little girls & widows who have been polluted by sexual slavery
  • death for homosexuals, who are dropped from tall buildings or placed where walls will fall on them
  • videotaped decapitation of infidels
  • videotaped burning alive of caged infidels
  • videotaped drowning of caged infidels

    here's another Muslim for you: Ali A. Rizvi, a Pakistani-Canadian writer, musician, & physician, who also happens to be an atheist

    & here are his suggestions for leftists who want to take on Islamism from a position of moral strength & honesty so that Donald Trump isn't left to do it from a position of xenophobic bigotry:

    1. support persecuted liberal Muslims like Raif Badawi instead of sympathizing with their persecutors' ideology

    2. don't confuse oppressive belief systems with the people who are victimized by them - attack the belief systems & protect the victims

    3. call out & oppose misogyny & bigotry in the Quran just as you do in the Bible or a Trump speech

    4. don't hold Muslims to a standard different from the one to which you would hold your fellow Westerners

    5. don't excuse the killing of apostates & the practice of Yazidi girls' sexual enslavement as "reactions to US foreign policy"

    6. learn to differentiate between criticizing an idea (Islam) & demonizing people (Muslims) [somebody should tell Barack Obama, Loretta Lynch, Valerie Jarrett, & CAIR]

    7. consider how ridiculous it would sound if someone said "But not all Americans!" every time you criticized the US

    8. afford the same respect to Muslim dissidents [such as Ayann Hirsi Ali] as you do to Galileo & Darwin

    9. understand what George Orwell said about people like you in 1942 [short version: "Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist"]

    10. help your liberal Middle Eastern counterparts responsibly fight Islam; don't let Trump fill the void

    11. never begin a statement with the words "I'm not defending female genital mutilation, but . . . "


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  • "People like you" (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:34:02 PM EST
    That's some presumption of fascistic proportions, Ms Krauthammer.

    I think I'll go read Orwell's longer version.

    Don't bother reprinting it here; your fingers are going to fall off.

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    excuse me (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:02:17 PM EST
    or excuse yourself, if you have the humility

    my comment quotes Ali A. Rizvi's direct address to leftists

    so it's Rizvi you're calling "Ms. Krauthammer," but Rizvi is an atheist Muslim - he's also a liberal, unlike Krauthammer & you

    but thanks for demonstrating that you're content to put Donald Trump in charge - Marine Le Pen, too, for that matter

    bravo

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    I'm not sure what an "atheist muslim" is (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:28:14 PM EST
    how does that work exactly?

    Sure, he said it to another audience, theoretically, but you chose to post it here.

    And why was that?

    Do you think people here need some reminder of the ills of reactionary Islamic societies?

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    someone can be an atheist (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:02:33 PM EST
    & a cultural Muslim

    someone can also be a religious Muslim who rejects the Wahhhabist & Salafist strains of reactionary Islamism - there's a difference between what's Islamic (religious) & Islamist (ideological), but it's a fine difference, since the Quran doesn't really make that distinction

    i chose to post Rizvi's suggestions in response to Scott's comment, which lists the names of some two dozen rich, privileged, high-profile, protected Western Muslims who are in a position to speak out against the depredations of reactionary Wahhhabist & Salafist Islam - have they done that?

    & i see many here, Jeralyn included, attributing facets of reactionary Islamism to US foreign policy, but that is historically & politically wrong

    the Donald Trumps & Marine Le Pens of the world cannot gain traction unless liberals & leftists create a leadership vacuum by failing to challenge the same things in reactionary Islamism, & among fundamentalist reactionary Muslims, that we never hesitate to challenge in heretical right-wing Christianity, & among fundamentalist right-wing Christians

    & i think it's a real emergency - now Germany has enacted a compulsory ID-card/tracking system for migrants that is basically what Trump just proposed for Muslims

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    If you have any specific ideas, I'm all ears (none / 0) (#81)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:16:47 PM EST
    is Rizvi's list (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:25:10 PM EST
    not specific about eleven things that liberals & leftists can do or not do?

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    In my haste I left out a word.. (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:29:12 PM EST
    specific POLICY ideas.

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    ah (none / 0) (#87)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 09:04:22 PM EST
    well, we have no good options in the Middle East, but that's a whole lot of water under a heap of smoking bridges

    that said, i think President Obama's 4-part strategy for dealing with ISIS may be a sound one, but we don't know because, to all appearances, he has not been serious about its execution

    i don't expect the president to do anything perceptibly different during his remaining time in office, & Hillary is going to have to wear that hot mess

    i think all we can do is cross our fingers for the next 13 months & do what we can to forestall another 1980 for the Democratic Party

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    Hey (none / 0) (#104)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:30:38 AM EST
    what is this "no good options" theory?

    we have spent our time in the ME recently creating and supporting Islamic states governed by Sharia law, such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

    However, these "Islamic states governed by Sharia law" also have had a bad history of:
    1) continued active oppression or careless disregard for the rights of religious and ethnic minorities, with the result that some of those minorities want to be independent and some want to join ISIS and some simply won't fight for or support the gov;
    and
    2) there is still ongoing civil wars within them about how Islamic they should be . . .

    we could tell Iraq and Syria that by their incompetence and foolish policies, they have lost the right to govern the area governed now by ISIS.  

    They will either govern it with American constitutional law with our help or we will take it and govern it for the next 5 to 20 years.

    Take it and denazify it.

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    An atheist muslim? (none / 0) (#77)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:40:00 PM EST
    Would that make me an agnostic catholic?

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    For the same reason that you're (none / 0) (#80)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:03:25 PM EST
    considered Jewish, atheist or no, if your mother was Jewish..

    I'm guessing that must be how it works.

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    Guess that makes me an Irish Catholic Agnostic (none / 0) (#88)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 09:17:42 PM EST
    that was born down the street from Little Havana.

    Maybe an Anglo/Cuban Irish Catholic Agnostic of German decent on my father's side?

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    CG, you probably were a bad (none / 0) (#192)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:44:37 AM EST
    alter boy too, secretly drinking all that wine.  I know I was.

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    I am an unabashed Atheist. (none / 0) (#111)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:37:03 AM EST
    No qualifiers. No hyphens.

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    Once (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:45:46 AM EST
    In a conversation with an Iris coworker we were discussing the Catholic/Protestant thing.  I said "what if you are an atheist?"
    "It depends" he said.
    "On what?"
    "On whether you are a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist"
     

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    Ali A. Rizvi also wrote: (none / 0) (#89)
    by MO Blue on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 09:41:31 PM EST
    12. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, and should not have to apologize for the few that are.


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    supposedly per Pew or other polls (2.00 / 1) (#105)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:38:11 AM EST
    Supposedly, per Pew research and/or other polling groups,

    about 25% of Muslims worldwide believe in using violence to advance their religion's goals and purposes.

    That is enough to cause very bad problems.  There are neighborhoods in France which are alleged to be no-go zones, places where outsiders rarely enter due to the likelihood of Muslim attack against them . . .

    The New York Times reported in April 2002, "Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues here, the North African suburbs have become no-go zones at night, and the French continue to shrug their shoulders." And Newsweek said in November 2005: "According to research conducted by the government's domestic intelligence network, the Renseignements Generaux, French police would not venture without major reinforcements into some 150 `no-go zones' around the country-and that was before the recent wave of riots began on Oct. 27.

    With enough Muslims in a neighborhood of a Western country and they start creating their own little sharia governed areas.

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    yes (none / 0) (#90)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 09:57:39 PM EST
    of course that belongs to an entirely different list from the one he addressed to leftists & liberals

    the statement you quoted is not one that leftists & liberals need to be reminded of

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    No, it is something you (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by MO Blue on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 10:14:54 PM EST
     you need to reminded of.

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    What is the "it" (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by NYShooter on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 11:02:38 PM EST
    Addams needs reminding of?

    Always use a trigger warning?

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    I'm surprised that you (none / 0) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:51:22 AM EST
    couldn't follow the sub thread.

    The "it" was Rezvi's statement:

    12. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, and should not have to apologize for the few that are.

    I am rather confused why you thought my comment needed a trigger warning.

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    oh really? (2.00 / 1) (#100)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 02:11:09 AM EST
    please show your work

    i'll wait

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    MJ is Muslim (none / 0) (#84)
    by MKS on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:30:46 PM EST
    did not know that

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    Ellen Burstyn is a Sufi (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:33:06 PM EST
    Rahm (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:17:33 PM EST
    The only good politician (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:37:09 AM EST
    is an embarrassed, hounded from office, preferably into prison, politician.

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    In oral arguments (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:27:37 PM EST
    on affirmative action(Fisher v University of Texas) Justice Scalia raised the suggestion that African American students might belong at less rigorous schools than their white peers. Slower-track schools might be better; and, perhaps, the University of Texas should have fewer blacks in their ranks.

    Trump should not overlook Scalia as he considers vice presidential running mates.  Scalia could augment Trump in the African American bigotry area, and, Scalia could pick-up on the anti-gay part (his specialty) which Trump, so far, has been weak.  

    Dude (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 08:00:46 AM EST
    if we wanted to rear Red State blather, we would go to Red State ourselves.

    3 down (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 08:06:26 AM EST
    1 to go.  Today at least.

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    the first paragraphs (none / 0) (#119)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:02:06 AM EST
    Not sure if you noticed, but (5.00 / 5) (#132)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:17:56 AM EST
    we're generally not paying any attention to anything you say, either.  

    And now that Jeralyn has limited you to 4 comments per day (not per thread, but total, blog-wide, per day), we have less of your nonsense cluttering up the blog.

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    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by sj on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 02:16:50 PM EST
    And now that Jeralyn has limited you to 4 comments per day (not per thread, but total, blog-wide, per day
    )I missed that welcome bit of news.

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    Yes, it is wonderfully true (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 03:39:50 PM EST
    Here is the link

    Musical accompaniment

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    How interesting! (none / 0) (#173)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:45:30 PM EST
    I have followed the link and see that Jeralyn has in fact deleted one of my posts as being an alleged bigoted rant.

    However, I don't know at this point what post it was that was the allegedly bigoted rant!

    I do know that often when I post, I attempt to substantiate as much as reasonable by referring to objective sources and/or factual information.  I assume that at least some of you notice that many of my posts link to other sources of information . . .  and I try to link to objective information.

    Did I inadvertently say something negative about Muslims--on a % basis--without quoting and linking to a Pew Research study or to a Ben Shapiro youtube video which generally uses Pew Research studies to help substantiate its positions?

    Maybe I did; I am not infallible!

    Is the youtube video The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority considered a bigoted rant, or is it considered ok because it is factual and based on Pew Research?

    By the way, I see that I was restricted in the number of post on or about 12/6 and today is 12/10.  I have been busier at work for the past few days . . .  Forgive my not noticing the limitation on posting number prior to today!

    I was at a 6-hour class on Sunday and so, even on 12/6 it appears I was more pre-occupied than usual.

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    Electronics Sniffing Dogs... (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:46:44 PM EST
    A rambunctious black Labrador named Bear -- one of only five dogs in the nation trained to sniff out electronic data devices -- played a key role in the arrest of former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle on child-porn charges.

    The 2-year-old rescue pooch nosed out a thumb drive that humans had failed to find during a search of Fogle's Indiana house in July, several weeks before he agreed to plead guilty to having X-rated images of minors and paying to have sex with teenage girls.

    LINK

    This dog, and several others, can sniff out any electronics, even MicroSD cards, which are about the size of a stamp.  

    I saw a demonstration on he Today show, they hid about 10 times throughout the house, dog found them all.  Amazing that electronics have a scent that a dog can detect.

    President Obama's request that Muslim Americans help "root out" and confront extremist ideology in their communities is getting mixed reactions.

    Muslim leaders say they want to help, but some are not happy that they are being singled out.

    "We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups," said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. "The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can't accept."

    Yes . . . well, when certain Christians commit bad acts in the name of the faith, other Christians do condemn and reject the bad acts . . . When certain Jews commit bad acts in the name of the faith, other Jews condemn and reject the bad acts.

    And herein lies the issue. Outside the Muslim community, the idea of turning people into the police who are planning crazy stuff is not unusual. It is against the law to not do so. There is no requirement that the government provide you with resources. Pick up a phone. If you don't pick up the phone, like the friend of Charleston shooter Dylan Roof, you end up in jail. Right now, the mother of the San Bernardino shooter is still walking free despite the mathematical improbability of her non-involvement.

    But when you have a tribal mentality, a calculated sense of being apart from the nation of residence, then there is no incentive to do so. In fact, just the opposite. Among US Muslims under the age of 29 as many as 26% believe that suicide bombings are justified.

    Officer Porter takes stand in Freddie Gray trial (none / 0) (#2)
    by McBain on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 11:16:58 AM EST
    Link

    As far as I can tell, the prosecution contends that Porter is guilty of manslaughter because he failed to seat belt Gray into the back of the van and failed to give medical aid when needed.  On the stand, Porter said...

    No one gets seat belted......
    and
    ....after talking to Freddie Gray, he was unable to give me a reason for a medical emergency.

    Dr. Vincent DiMaio also testified for the defense.  He disagreed with some of the state's medical findings.

    You might have trouble communicating (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 12:28:49 PM EST
    your need for attention if you were having difficulty getting air...

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    Yesterday he was high fiving over Gray's back ache (none / 0) (#7)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 01:41:45 PM EST
    as the probable, proximate cause of his snapped spine and severed spinal cord.

    Because that happens all the time.  Y'know, you wake up in the morning with an aching back... By noon, the spine has snapped like a twig.

    Not that any of the rumor was true anyway.

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    And it's not like police homocides (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 01:52:22 PM EST
    have ever been buried under a towering heap of spin, cover story, and silent lies of ommision.

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    Whatr's Particularly Funny... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:33:50 PM EST
    ...is the notion that the police don't have to seat belt people in who can't do it themselves, if only there was a rule or a law about seatbelts...  What exactly did the cop think those belts where people sit were for.

    I think most people would call that grasping at straws, ditto for the back aches, jesus, better not tell a cop you got a headache so when they bash in your skull 6 months later they will have a goto defense.

    When a cop's best defense is he doesn't obey the law with anyone...

    I wonder if Gray's back was hurting because the BPD didn't secure his seat-belt when they hauled him in 6 months ago.  Sounds like it could be a warning rather than a defense.

    I also think if someone were to pick-up another's kids and not put them in a child seat and they die because of it, charges would get filed.

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    While it is the policy (none / 0) (#29)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:23:32 PM EST
    Thought the One Gray Was In... (none / 0) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:44:37 PM EST
    ...had seatbelts.  I specifically remember them mentioning it numerous times.

    But reporting on Sunday by The Sun's Luke Broadwater shows there's much more to the story than that. Baltimore has a long history of paying out large settlements and judgments in cases when detainees were injured in the back of police vans, and that fact was apparently not lost on the department's top commanders. According to documents obtained through the Maryland Public Information act, cutting down on such injuries through the use of seat belts has been a departmental priority since 2012 when then-Commissioner Frederick H. Bealefeld III became concerned about the issue. The documents Mr. Broadwater obtained show that the department stressed the need to seat belt detainees in communications with commanders, conducted training on the issue and performed spot checks for compliance -- all well before Gray's fateful arrest.

    Funny they were auditing for something that didn't exist:

    The push for seat belts wasn't just a one-time memo from a former commissioner; Mr. Bealefeld's successor, Anthony W. Batts, also took up the issue. In February 2014, Deputy Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez ordered a top Internal Affairs commander to publicize the seat belt policy at roll calls and said the department would be auditing officers' compliance.

    What's more, all the attention to seat belt use appears to have had some effect. When Mr. Bealefeld first ordered an audit, in May 2012, officials checked 18 vehicles transporting 34 passengers, none of whom were belted. Two years later, under the Batts administration, an audit found 20 of 22 detainees wearing seat belts. A follow-up audit in September found 17 of 17 detainees in seat belts.


    LINK


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    Yes, but (none / 0) (#122)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:43:07 AM EST
    Your comment

    hatr's Particularly Funny... (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:33:50 PM EST
    ...is the notion that the police don't have to seat belt people in who can't do it themselves, if only there was a rule or a law about seatbelts..

    Reads as a general statement about police and all transports.  I was letting you know that, at least in Maryland, it would NOT be standard practice (despite policies to the contrary) because most transport vans are not equipped with seat belts.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#124)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:52:22 AM EST
    ...but the article clearly states that changed since your article.  April 15th, 2015 I think was the date they listed.

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    He's a more recent one (none / 0) (#127)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 10:09:54 AM EST
    In other counties-like Harford, Howard, Anne Arundel and Baltimore-the transport vans don't even have seat belts.

    "At no point was he secured in a seat belt in the wagon contrary to a BPD general order," said Marilyn Mosby, Baltimore City State's Attorney.

    The order the state's attorney refers to in Baltimore City requires a seat belt or restraining device around the inmate's waist. It's dated just nine days before Gray's arrest, and has not changed since.

    But officers' lawyers point out in a new motion, they "...have no statutory duty to seat belt a prisoner in [the] back of a transport van." And "...a police transport van is...not required to be equipped with seat belts under the federal motor vehicle safety standards

    From mid-September

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    Baltimore city (none / 0) (#136)
    by sj on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:36:22 AM EST
    is not in Baltimore county.

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    'No one gets seat belted......' (none / 0) (#5)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 01:38:48 PM EST
    Yeah, I used that excuse about 15 years ago outside Colorado City, Texas on I-20 when pulled over by a state trooper for no seat belt. Didn't work. Shouldn't work here either. City policy says prisoners are to be belted in.

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    Some of what Di Maio said... (none / 0) (#69)
    by McBain on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:02:07 PM EST
    Link...

    On Wednesday, Dr. Vincent Di Maio, a forensic pathologist testifying for the defense, said Gray's death should have been declared an accident and that the fatal injuries likely occurred during later stops on the police wagon.

    "It was just an accident and accidents happen," he said.

    Di Maio said he believes Gray suffered a "single catastrophic event" between the fifth and sixth stops -- not between the second and fourth, as the prosecution claims -- that left him paralyzed and unable to speak.

    "This was a high energy event," he said.

    "His head had to hit one of the the doors or the wall in the van with such force and if you do that you are going get a concussion."



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    Such a crock of sh#t.. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 03:21:44 PM EST
    I bounced around with other people in the back of vans and pickup trucks for years during my partying years, and not once did I ever see or hear about anyone ever incurring a devastating injury like that.

    Couple that with the fact that cops are, theoretically, trained and offically charged with the responsibility to be even more careful about their driving than the average citizen..

    The whole thing stinks from twenty blocks away.

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    Problem is, this isn't the first case (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:49:37 PM EST
    where someone in Baltimore went into the van on two feet, and came out paralyzed:

    The most sensational case in Baltimore involved Johnson, a 43-year-old plumber who was arrested for public urination. He was handcuffed and placed in a transport van in good health. He emerged a quadriplegic.

    Before he died, he complained to his doctor that he was not buckled into his seat when the police van "made a sharp turn," sending him "face first" into the interior of the van, court records state. He was "violently thrown around the back of the vehicle as [police officers] drove in an aggressive fashion, taking turns so as to injure [Johnson] who was helplessly cuffed," the lawsuit stated.

    Johnson, who suffered a fractured neck, died two weeks later of pneumonia caused by his paralysis.

    [...]

    In 1997, Alston became paralyzed from the neck down in a van after being arrested. Alston said he told the officers he couldn't breathe, but they refused to give him an inhaler for asthma.

    Officers said the 32-year-old repeatedly rammed his head into the side of the van, freed himself from a seat belt and thrashed some more.

    Alston sued, and at the trial, Dr. Adrian Barbul, a Sinai Hospital trauma surgeon, testified that Alston had no external head injuries when he was taken to the emergency room.

    [...]

    Alston's attorney, Philip Federico, said Thursday that the Gray case brought back memories of Alston, who died about eight years ago. What jumped out was that both men had asthma and were denied when they asked police for inhalers, he said.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that when you were riding around in vans and pickup trucks, your hands and ankles weren't shackled - seems like without the ability to use your arms or legs for balance and bracing, it would be pretty hard not to incur some level of injury.

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    So, what caused his death? (none / 0) (#161)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 03:54:03 PM EST
    Maybe they made an unscheduled stop (none / 0) (#162)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:01:10 PM EST
    along the way, the way the cops in New Orleans used to do.

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    A lot of NO cops used to carry an extra (none / 0) (#163)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:16:15 PM EST
    untraceable gun they called a "ham sandwich"..

    Guess what that was for..

    Point being, these aren't all the New Centurian-Angels in Blue some would like to make them out to be.

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    Oy (none / 0) (#165)
    by sj on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:41:08 PM EST
    So, what caused his death? (none / 0) (#161)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 02:54:03 PM MDT
    Double oy

     

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    Here's a visual (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 05:04:40 PM EST
    Since you're obviously the smart one (none / 0) (#170)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:19:14 PM EST
    Why don't you tell us exactly how Freddie Gray died?

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    Why Don'y You... (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 08:43:57 AM EST
    ...as far as I can tell most people, the prosecutor, and myself think the cops did it.  You are the one in denial, tell us how he died if it wasn't the police.

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    I don't know exactly how he died Scott (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by McBain on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:02:50 AM EST
    Doesn't sound like you do either.  "The cops did it" isn't good enough.  Was it a rough ride? If so, when?  Without knowing those questions, how can we figure out what, if anything, Porter is guilty of?

    When someone is on trial, details matter.  

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    I Clearly Stated I and Others... (4.00 / 3) (#202)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:31:54 AM EST
    ...know why, but for some reason you are reading it differently, sad, but it generally fits into your ability to read something and take away the opposite of words say.

    For the record:
    Freddie Gray died because the police took him on a customary 'rough ride' which means they purposely don't seat-belt the passenger and they purposely brake hard or turn sharp with the intention of causing injury.

    But you know this, you are following the case.  I think your whole playing dumb act is done for one purpose, to be a nuisance, or you are actually dumb, not sure which is worse, but in any case, it certainly not helping you in the way you think it is.  

    For me it proves only a complete moron would believe their load of bull, which is why they were doing it to begin with, knowing at least 1 in 12 people is an idiot and will be fine with not having any idea of how a man's spine gets severed while being transported by the police.

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    I would like for him to have been asked whether (none / 0) (#150)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:15:00 PM EST
    this "single catastrophic event" would have had the same result if Gray had been secured in a seat belt.

    Actually, there are a number of questions I have about how DiMaio thinks this catastrophic event could have occurred.

    They needed him to say that it happened between the fifth and sixth stops, because Porter checked on him after the fourth.

    I think what's happening here is that Porter is being used to set up the others, particularly Goodson - the driver, who faces the most serious charges, but the fact that the statement he gave detectives is different from his testimony may not help him.  And saying that the reason they were different is because he didn't know he was going to be a suspect doesn't seem like the greatest explanation.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#157)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 03:20:57 PM EST
    The prosecution is getting the defense to put some, if not all, of the blame on Goodson. Charging Porter with manslaughter is absurd but it definitely forces their hand a bit.

    The question I have for Di Maio and the neurosurgeon who testified today (Dr. Matthew Ammerman) is if it was a single catastrophic event that rendered Gray unable to move or breathe, why didn't he die in the van?

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    There is a witnrss (none / 0) (#185)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:59:44 AM EST
    Officer Mark Gladhill, who was a prosecution witness who had been granted immunity, but not called by the prosecution, testified that he saw Freddie Gray kneeling, supporting his own weight,  and holding his head up at the 5th stop. It was at the 6th stop that Gray was found unresponsive and not breathing, at which time, medical care was immediately provided.

    The question is this: if the severe injury occurred after the 5th stop, then the police provided him medical care as soon as they were aware of it.  If the injury occurred earlier (as presented by the state), then the cops may have delayed providing him with care, and that's the crux of the case.

    The state's witness, the ME, however testified that Gray's injuries happened between stops 2 and 4.

    And the other expert who testified, Dr. Ammerman, testified that Gray's injuries would have immediately paralyzed him and made it impossible for him to breathe, so, if he's right, there's no way his injuries could have occurred between stops two and four.

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    Those details are huge (none / 0) (#199)
    by McBain on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:08:13 AM EST
    and needed to figure out which cops, if any, are guilty of anything.

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    No Black Widow (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 11:20:18 AM EST
    Political polls (none / 0) (#10)
    by coast on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:16:10 PM EST
    should be performed similarly to how the college football poll is done - all early polls should be printed, and stated, with a qualifier that is not removed until after the 3rd or 4th primary.  Trump's current polling numbers are meaningless, as well as this 68% number.  I'm a Republican, and I have yet to find one person who is voting for this freak.

    If I had to take a wild guess (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    "I'm a Republican, and I have yet to find one person who is voting for this freak."

    I'd say you live somewhere that relates to your username, either in the west, or north of the Mason-Dixon line.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#12)
    by coast on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:28:53 PM EST
    the heart of the south - SC.

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    Fair enough (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:31:08 PM EST
    That's actually somewhat encouraging.

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    I Mentioned This Yesterday... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:42:19 PM EST
    ...but on the TV they were saying there is a huge discrepancy between Trump supporters and people who will vote for him.  Not sure I buy it, but that is the claim.

    I think like a lot of things, people might not be open about liking Trump, especially in certain company, like work or family.  For someone in SC not to know anyone seems fairly odd since around 1 in 3 are telling pollsters they like what they see.

    We will find out I guess.

    coast, who is your candidate, I only ask because I think a lot of Trump's support comes from the lackluster competition, where do the people you know sit as far as candidates go ?

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    Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by coast on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:57:51 PM EST
    I have to hear more from the others before firming up support.  Unfortunately, its hard with Trump sucking the oxygen out of the room.

    Understand that the key about these polls is that the 1 in 3 number is of a small percentage of republicans.  I would say that his actual support is likely less than 10% of the party.  As other candidates leave the race, their supports will gravitate to the more moderate choices - Trump will not pick up those who are currently supporting other choices.

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    Dummy Me... (none / 0) (#143)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:24:36 PM EST
    ...I live in Texas and and I haven't heard one person and some of the people around here, at work, bash Obama fairly frequently.

    In Galveston this guy was going off on Obama around a fire, it was a long tirade and most people down their are R's, including two Canadians.  When he was done, I said something like about Trump solving all of our problems.  Everyone laughed, especially the Canadians.  I didn't get the feeling anyone thought of Trump more than a punchline.

    So my experience has been like yours.

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    Yeah, that number, as stated, is misleading (none / 0) (#85)
    by NYShooter on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 08:32:26 PM EST
    It was corrected on a later program. it's not the percentage of all republicans, it's a percentage of those voting in the primaries.

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    I grew up (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:18:17 PM EST
    in SC and plenty of friends are supporting Trump. I know people here in GA that are supporting Trump. The next one down the line with support is Cruz. You obviously don't live in the heavily fundamentalist upstate region.

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    Well you have me there (none / 0) (#52)
    by coast on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:04:56 PM EST
    I'm not in the upstate.

    I did just the opposite of you, grew up in GA and moved to SC.

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    Well (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:49:30 PM EST
    then I can't believe you don't understand the appeal of The Donald. And you must reside in a rarefied circle to not know anyone that is a fan of The Donald. All the wacko tea nuts I grew up with and live around are Donald fans. The evangelicals are in love with Ted Cruz. There's one or two lonely Jeb and Marco fans. The rest of them don't even register.

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    FOX News SC GOP Poll Just Released (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:25:48 PM EST
    25 minutes ago.

    Trump   35
    Carson  15
    Cruz     14
    Rubio    14
    Bush       5
    Christie   2
    Graham  2
    Paul        2
    Fiorina    1
    Huckabee 1
    Kasich     1

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    Just watching a conversation (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:49:25 PM EST
    On C Todds show about the chances of a convention showdown.  Very interesting.  Learned stuff I didn't know.   The RNC made a bunch of rule changes turn out to make stopping Donald a lot harder.  Like locked delegates in early states.   You should watch it online.  It should be up soon if not already.

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    I kind of (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:52:06 PM EST
    wondered if their whole limit the debates change the primaries would blow up in their faces. Actually the might have been better off with more debates because with the fewer it makes Donald more powerful.

    I guess the GOP strategists are locked up in a padded room with no sharp objects.

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    Also interesting (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:10:46 PM EST
    A couple of polls in the last couple show huge (sorry) YOUUUUGE  support for Donsld and his ideas in the Republican Party.   65-75%

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    Well (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:08:18 PM EST
    that Chuck Todd clip you linked to puts it out there that the GOP establishment is willing to blow up the entire party rather than let Trump be the nominee. Wow, this whole thing has turned into something bigger than I ever imagined. I would have thought they would have let Trump be the nominee if he won the primaries. Michael Steel said he doesn't even have to win. He just has to garner enough delegates to be able to hold the party hostage.

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    Well (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:16:55 PM EST
    What it said was they might be willing be its not at all clear there's anything they can do about it.  Steel said they can't change the rules.  And they can't take his delegates.  

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    He said (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:23:27 PM EST
    they could change the rules at the convention but yeah, if he wins primary after primary there is nothing they can do until the convention apparently. And then would they really go through with it? Could they get away with changing the rules without a revolt on the floor?  

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    No. He didn't (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:28:55 PM EST
    Watch it again.   She said that and he corrected her explaining that once they made the rules fir a cycle they can't change them.  He specifically said the rules can't be changed until 2020.

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    My understanding (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by FlJoe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:45:58 AM EST
    is there is a lot of room for shenanigans long before the national conventions.

    Take Iowa from 2012

    Thus, you can justifiably say that Santorum won Iowa because he had the most votes in the certified count, or that Romney won because he benefited the most from the result, or that Ron Paul won because he actually got almost all the delegates, or that no one won because the party refused to declare a winner.

    Apparently all the States have different rules for the actual assignment of delegates.
    Such as,

    In some states, delegates are bound, or "pledged" to vote for the primary winner in voting at the national convention. In other states some or all delegates are "unpledged," and free to vote for any candidate they wish at the convention.
    and  
    Primary and caucus rules and methods of convention delegate allocation differ from state-to-state and can be changed by party leadership



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    I believe (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:56:57 AM EST
    This is what "being treated fairly" means.

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:30:19 PM EST
    Well, then I must have missed when he said that.

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    Not really (none / 0) (#177)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 08:38:03 AM EST
    They can implement rule changes at the convention, so, in theory, they could toss out every single primary and caucus result, and pick their nominee from a hat.

    My bold.

    When asked Thursday about the dinner and convention planning, Sean Spicer, the RNC's chief strategist and spokesman, said: "The RNC is neutral in this process, and the rules are set until the convention begins next July. Our goal is to ensure a successful nomination, and that requires us thinking through every scenario, including a contested convention."

    Link

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    Changes that have to be (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 08:39:47 AM EST
    Voted on by the entire convention.  The leaders can't change the rules.

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    Btw you buried the headline of that link (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:07:47 AM EST
    GOP preparing for contested convention

    You are also starting to hear talk of something I said was possible months ago and was poopooed by pretty much everyone.

    That a Trump candidacy, or possibly a Cruz one, could result in losing control of the House.  Gerrymandering be damned.

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    One more thing about (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:13:51 AM EST
    The whole contested convention thing.

    If when we get there Trump and Cruz are one and two there is going to be a large number of republicans who are going to say, they are already saying it, that the party would be better off with Trumo at the top than Cruz.  

    So there's that.

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    I'll poopoo it again (none / 0) (#182)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:18:56 AM EST
    The GOP is not losing control of the House in 2016.

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    This is politico (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:42:30 AM EST
    Not what I would call liberals but there has been lots written about this recently

    Republicans fear Trump could jeopardize control of Congress
    Worries are growing that his rhetoric will translate into lost Senate and House seats in 2016.


    Sure, they say a loss is "seats".  Now.  Let's see where it is next year.


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    RollCall (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 09:58:39 AM EST
    can Dems win the house in 2016

    This is from January

    It's pretty simple why you could rule out Democrats winning a majority in 2014, but can't rule it out completely now.  The midterm dynamic made it virtually impossible for Democrats to win 17 seats. Only twice in the past 20 midterms has the president's party gained House seats, and those two cases involved unusual circumstances (impeachment and the terrorist attacks of 2001) and single-digit gains.

    Presidential election years are different. Either party can gain seats, depending on the particular circumstances of the cycle.

    Not surprisingly, House results tend to reflect outcomes of presidential contests, with the party winning the White House adding House seats in 11 of the past 15 presidential years. So Democrats would need a big victory at the top of the ticket in 2016 to have any chance of major gains, let alone electing Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California as speaker again.



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    I think "poopoo"-ing again is (none / 0) (#186)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:09:12 AM EST
    pretty much the definition of losing control...FWIW, the use of "pooh-pooh" might, uhhh, eliminate the jokes that arise from "poopoo."

    [sorry, it's been a long week]

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    Ha (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:12:18 AM EST
    I stand by my comment

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    And I stand by mine :) (none / 0) (#188)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:16:03 AM EST
    And I Hope the Capt... (none / 0) (#189)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:24:20 AM EST
    ...is right, but I doubt it.

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:32:35 AM EST
    No predictions

    I'm saying exactly what Stu Rothenberg said in January before Trump exploded.  It's possble.  If you ready those links they were expecting to lose 12 seats.  They would need to lose 30 to lose control.  Considering the massive blowout loss everyone including every republican with a brain is predicting if Trump, or probably Cruz, is the nominee that it's possible seems obvious.

    That's it's predictable comes later.

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    "losing control of the House?" (none / 0) (#200)
    by NYShooter on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:21:47 AM EST
    The White House?

    Quite influential, Fabius Maximus Website, offers a new poll, Hillary leading Donald by mere 4-5 points. He thinks this reaction to do-nothing congress, ditto, Obama, rampant PC, black riots, attacking police, Muslims, etc. is much deeper, and, more powerful than we thought possible. And, Hillary is certainly no savior for what they feel is wrong with this country.

    Just saying, stranger things have happened.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:27:22 AM EST
    That's ridiculous.  If there was any truth in that do you honestly think republican leaders would be considering suicide  to stop him?

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    Here's a link (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:15:58 PM EST
    Saw a Carson 2016 bumper sticker (none / 0) (#139)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:05:46 PM EST
    on a SUV in a Whole Foods parking lot a couple of days ago. Have yet to see a Trump sticker or any other candidate sticker.

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    I've (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    seen a Carson sticker but I think it's gone now in light of recent events. I've probably seen more Hillary and Bernie stickers than GOP sticker ironically.

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    I actually (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:38:00 PM EST
    saw a Trump sticker going to the FL Keys but it was where a guy had taped up the back of his truck using masking tape spelling out the name Trump. I'm not even sure Trump has any bumper stickers made up.

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    Male organ transplants, (none / 0) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:37:56 PM EST
    will be initiated on an experimental basis at Johns Hopkins University for men injured in military service.

      According to the DOD, from 2001 to 2013, 1,367 servicemen, mostly all under age 30, suffered wounds to the genitals in Iraq and Afghanistan. Genitourinary injuries are often unspoken but the complete destruction of a young man's pelvic area is devastating physically and psychologically.  

    The research project has been years in the making with extensive work on cadavers, including mapping of the circulatory system of the organ which will be critical to successful transplantation. After the transplant, not unlike other organ transplants, anti-rejection medication will be administered--a regimen that will continue for life.

    Although surgeons can reconstruct a male organ from tissue taken from other parts of a patient's own body implants are necessary for an erection.  The researchers believe that transplantation will bring realistic sexual capabilities. And, if the testes are intact and a child can be fathered, the child will be a genetic offspring, not the offspring of the donor.

    Social workers observe that many of the injured find damage to this area to be as troubling or more so than loss of arms or legs.

     Just more horrors of war and an argument for every effort for its avoidance.  Maybe male neocons and those Republicans war mongers who want to see if "the sands glow," will be so patriotic as to be a donor for an genitally-injured former boot on the ground.  My thinking is that rhetoric will be toned down and caution will be heightened.

    Now I Don't Know Much... (none / 0) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:50:40 PM EST
    ...but I know if I need that organ, I am not going to look to the group with very small ones who tend to over-compensate with big guns, trucks, and wars.

    Granted a small one is better than none, but since we know that small ones create near psychosis in the brain of it's owner, I think we should look to other sources than republicans for organ donation of the pelvic kind, if we are trying to also alleviate psychological issues.

    Out boys deserve better than what republicans have to offer.

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    A flasher is just an open-carry person (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:02:30 PM EST
    who's cut out the middle man.

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    Guess things aren't (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:23:14 PM EST
    so grand at the GOP these days, on several fronts.

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    So many things to say about that (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:52:34 PM EST
    That would be entirely inappropriate.

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    A few years or decades from now, (none / 0) (#102)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:45:59 AM EST
    we'll be buying our replacement body parts from China.  Even the pro-lifers will be lining up for the enhanced sinnin' capabilities.  Imagine the brand-names.

    Walmart will be selling wheel kits so "it" doesn't drag on the ground.

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    How can I say this... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:59:52 AM EST
    Based on my own, ahem, experience that is one thing we will not be importing from China.  Unless they out source the production.

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    I'll take your word for it, (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 10:50:51 AM EST
    ;-)

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    I know I shouldn't be taken by (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:09:24 PM EST
    surprise at the things you say but OMG, Howdy...I literally spit out my coffee.

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    Here's a headling (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:40:50 PM EST
    "Douglas Tompkins, 72, founder of North Face, dies in kayak accident"

    Of all the ways to go, I think this sounds like a good one.  Maybe not specifically hypothermia, but at 70+, in a kayak accident.

    When I read about this (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:15:49 PM EST
    yesterday, I wondered if fishcamp knew this aspiring competitive skier.

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    Oculus, yes I did know (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 07:40:02 PM EST
    Doug Thompkins from the old ski racing days.  He was a wonderful person and we are all saddened in the ski world.

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    I'm 70 (none / 0) (#67)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:47:40 PM EST
    ...next week, anyway.

    Ride mountain bikes a lot.  Probably how I'll go.

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    Good Times... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:46:50 PM EST
    last night, lol.  My brother calls me around 10, he's pulled over on the side of the road with his girlfriend for an improper merger into the HOV lane, didn't know his license was suspended, girlfriend's license is also suspended, and the cop is going to impound his car unless I can get there fast with a second driver to pick up his ride.  Called in a favor with my neighbor and got there in the nick of time.

    I can't decide if the cop was cool to let us pick up the car, or if the cop was a d*ck for not letting my brother drive it off with a warning.  I guess medium-grade d*ckish would be the ruling.

    Plus side is the cop ran my license, so I must not have any old warrants.  I guess this means I'm getting old and lame;)

    Plus? (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:56:55 PM EST
    Plus side is the cop ran my license, so I must not have any old warrants.  

    Not a plus for me.  He is not entitled to run the warrant check as long as you show him, BUT DO NOT HAND HIM a valid license and you yourself have not been cited.

    I don't have any warrants, but I don't allow a warrant check for no reason.  I don't empty my pockets for a cop to prove I'm not carrying dope and I already know I don't have warrants.  The Fourth Amendment has been abused so much that I stand up for every aspect of it all the time.

    70 y.o., never been arrested.

    Bottom line, I might have come out to make the pickup, but I'm not letting anyone run my license for warrants.  If the cop wants to know whether I have warrants, he can ask me, and I will tell him all about the Fifth Amendment.

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    Defintely Cool... (none / 0) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:54:01 PM EST
    ...otherwise $400 and a trip to the impound lot.

    With fears of liability, they generally don't let unlicensed drivers, drive off.

    The improper lane change isn't the cop, it's not like they got into the business to write tickets for BS all day, that is all management and quotas IMO.

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    Anytime... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:03:25 PM EST
    I got pulled over with a suspended license they let me drive off, with an extra ticket and a warning....but it's been years.

    I blame the stupid design of our local thoroughfare's HOV lane...double line prevents you from changing lanes except for designated entrances and exits which are miles apart.  It's like a prison lane...total nightmare when you wanna get in with 2 or more occupants to avoid traffic but the next entrance is miles ahead, or when you're in it and stuck behind some jerk going 55 mph and the next exit is miles ahead.

    Like last night...I had to drive my brothers car past the closest exit and miles out of my way so I wouldn't get a ticket for exiting illegally.  Not very Green, which is supposedly the whole point of a HOV.  

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    Ohhh Man... (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:44:18 PM EST
    ...we have HOV lanes that switch direction, in the morning they come in, then at some time they close/open gates so in the evening they go out.

    To say they are confusing is an understatement.

    On the new I-10, they have HOV/pay to drive in.  Although idiotic, I am sure they are designed this way, there is no barrier between the NOV/Pay lanes and regular traffic.  You can merge in at any time.

    I don't use it ever, but I would imagine they write tickets all day long of people either confused or jumping in when traffic gets thick.

    I have no idea how they determine who is HOV and who is paying to drive in the lane.  But it's like $10 from downtown to Katy each way, about 20 miles.

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    Weird... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:58:22 PM EST
    Paging CST...can anyone in your racket design a HOV system that isn't totally retarded?  j/k

    Plus, ours is HOV only during peak hours in the AM and PM Monday-Friday, other than those times anyone can use it, which makes the double-line prison bars even more perplexing.  I never go in there during off-peak times...only when I have a passenger and there is traffic during peak times, which is always.  Though sometimes the HOV will be bumper to bumper while the regular lanes are actually moving.  You can't win!

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    Your Notion... (none / 0) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:01:33 PM EST
    ...that it's not on purpose if funny considering what happened last night.

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    you don't want my advice (none / 0) (#41)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:03:40 PM EST
    When ever anyone asks me how we can fix the roads in Boston, I give them the same answer

    "large fire, or get bombed to smithereens"

    Welcome to the northeast my friend.

    We have a highway that's 4 lanes in each directions, that at rush hour becomes 4+1 HOV in the "rush hour direction" and 3 in the "other" direction.  So every day before and after both rush hours they have this machine that puts up the barrier.  During off peak hours, it just stays 4 and 4. Honestly, I think it's a pretty clever way to handle congestion, but I guess it could be confusing.

    Side note - the worst drivers I know are all traffic engineers.  They are the type of people who will run a red light and justify it by telling you why it shouldn't have been red.

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    And then (none / 0) (#44)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:13:06 PM EST
    if they get a ticket they will argue in court why what they were doing wasn't against state law because "that's not a legally justifiable right-hand turn exclusion", or something.

    A great example of this is that in Massachusetts they need to clock you going over the speed limit for at least a quarter mile.  A number of speed traps in the area don't have 1/4 mile of sight distance available because of hills/turns/etc.

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    been placed where they were. Or traffic control signs that conflict with lane markings.

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    I have not (none / 0) (#51)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 05:03:09 PM EST
    Always abided by the double line when trying to get out of, or into the HOV lanes, But I always looked around very crefully.
    I believe they are intentionally designed to drive people crazy, as if driving on the LIE cannot do it by itself

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    A question... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:06:46 PM EST
    for a fellow LIE sufferer...what would you say is the current safe maximum speed without getting pulled over? I still abide by 70 mph, but I've heard from several people that 75 is the new 70. What say ye?

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    75 (none / 0) (#103)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:05:10 AM EST
    It may well be, bu I won't do over 70. Thats fast enough for me to get where I 'm going

    When you can do 70 on the LIE, that is.

    I avoid the major roads when ever possible, live and work further east, so when I plan my trips up to the Catskills, I like to leave at 5AM, if possible.

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    not to mention (none / 0) (#108)
    by nyjets on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:07:30 AM EST
    Any speed over 70 is  dangerous.
    The question should be what is the max safe speed to drive without being a danger to other.
    That would be 60 -70

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    nyjets, totally agree on the 60-70mph (none / 0) (#190)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:30:44 AM EST
    as the maximum safe speed.  It's rather difficult lately for me to head up to Miami from the 45 mph Florida keys speeds.  We do have some 55 mph zones too.  But as soon as you leave the keys and get on the Florida Turnpike the speed limit jumps to 65 mph, then about 25 miles closer to Miami almost everybody is going 80+ mph.  Another reason to go fishing instead of driving.

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    Safe Speed is Relative... (none / 0) (#197)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:03:41 AM EST
    ... to your surroundings, mostly the speed of other drivers.  The real unsafe folks are the ones going way over or way under the flow of traffic.  Your safest speed IMO is the speed of the drivers around you.

    Going 50 when everyone else is going 20 or 80 is very unsafe.

    We have a stretch of road that is 85, but because it's in the middle of nowhere, the state legislature has determined that 85 is safe.

    I have been on it, no one uses it because it's an expensive tollroad that for some reason was built parallel to a free highway which is 75.

    For the record:

    The annual fatality rate on the Autobahn in 2.7 per billion kilometers traveled. The United States has a 4.5 fatality rate for the same distance and highly controlled speeds to boot.

    More than 50% of the Autobahn has no posted speed limit, although there is an advised limit of 130 kilometers per hour(80 mph).



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    FWIW (none / 0) (#123)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:51:45 AM EST
    When I worked at a county courthouse in the early 2000's, I knew lots of deputies.  One time I asked them if it was true that drivers had a little leeway on speed.  They all told me that they set their radar guns up from the speed limit, because there is always a difference between what your speedometer says and what their radar gun would show.  Also, they weren't going to pull over every single person.

    They pretty much agreed that you could go 10 over (that's what they set their radar guns for), but at 11 over they were going to nail you.  Even then, a speeder stood a good chance of getting a warning (if he/she had a clean driving record), and if the driver was polite.  If the driver was a jerk, all bets were off.

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    the cop was doing his job (none / 0) (#22)
    by nyjets on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 02:58:32 PM EST
    Your brother was driving with a license that was suspended. It was HIS responsibility to know this. He was under ZERO obligation to give him a warning. And honestly, he should not.

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    Except in NY... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:04:53 PM EST
    where you are not specifically notified by mail when your license is suspended...it's quite easy to have a suspended license and not know it.

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    sorry dont buy it (none / 0) (#25)
    by nyjets on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:14:07 PM EST
    A person has to have some idea there is a problem.

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    Having some idea... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:25:49 PM EST
    is not the same as being notified definitively.  With all the fees they collect they can afford a piece of paper, an envelope, and a stamp so there is no question.

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    Mine was suspended for 4 years (none / 0) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:42:52 PM EST
    before I knew it had happened. It was due to paying a ticket through the mail that arrived one day late without inclusion of the $9.00 late fee.

    When stopped late night at a random DUI checkpoint four years later, I was given a $140.00 ticket for the suspended license and sent on my way. The ticket was waived and my license reinstated when I took it to court and agreed to pay the original $9.00 late fee that until then never knew was owed.

    So yes, it's possible to unknowingly drive for 4 years with a suspended license.

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    Especially if You are Young... (none / 0) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:59:47 PM EST
    ...and moving around every year.  Although that never happened to me, when I moving all the time, I never forwarded my mail with the PO, the people who needed to know my address got it, well except for one.

    So imagine my surprise when the IRS calls me at work to let me know they are going to start proceedings on the half million dollars I owed them.

    Apparently my Scottrade account data they downloaded forgot the cost base in the file and the IRS assumed everything I sold was purchased for free.  I was day trading and made some money, not much, but I had a ton of sales.

    I work in tax but that scared the H out of me and took a long time to clear up.  But the idea that you are suppose to know what the government is up to is pretty funny.

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    That's why we have due process, and ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:40:13 PM EST
    ..why nobody should ever waive their rights under that process -- particularly when it comes to issues with the IRS or your state department of taxation.

    Although some people would like to believe and insist otherwise, the fact of the matter is that the IRS and most state tax departments are both underfunded and understaffed. Given the sheer volume of material which they have to process, it should therefore not be all that surprising that they make mistakes. That we sometimes make mistakes ourselves as well, probably doesn't really help matters any.

    For a long time I've done our own taxes, but in the last few years I've made several errors which fortunately worked out in our favor each time, because we overpaid by several hundred to one thousand dollars. The IRS caught my mistakes and we received refunds for the balance. But the lesson's been learned, because it could've just easily been the other way around. This year, I retained an accountant to handle these matters for us.

    Glad to hear that everything worked out for you.

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    I get that mistakes happen (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:27:08 AM EST
    but sometimes things don't make sense.
    I have always done our taxes too and I file electronically. Every year any taxes due goes out of our account a few days after filing.
    This year we were due a $17k refund from NJ and it took months to get it back. They said it was because they needed a copy of our w-2.  When I spoke to the agent, I asked her how come for all the years we owed taxes they gladly took our money without asking for a physical copy of our w-2  and when they owed us a refund, they suddenly needed one. She didn't have an answer for that.

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    If I Were to Guess... (none / 0) (#120)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:16:11 AM EST
    ...it's because hackers/identity theivers.

    I don't remember the year, but it was before the crash, when everything, every day, was going up.  You closed your eyes and turned a buck.  I noticed several stocks that went up and down at the same points every day and just bought/sold.

    It was a nightmare recreating it for the IRS because sometimes I bought 100 and sold 50 one day then maybe 25 the next, and it crossed the end of the year.  Then the crash and all of a sudden they were calling in my margin and forcing me to sell.

    I went to Scottrade and downloaded the file they had, same thing no cost base, so I ended up going through my history.  Now I make sure I by/sell the same qualities and make sure on December 31st I own nothing, for one reason, taxes.

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    My first experience with that was (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:23:40 PM EST
    You closed your eyes and turned a buck.  I noticed several stocks that went up and down at the same points every day and just bought/sold.

    during the dot com bubble. I was raking in the cash. Young, foolish, cocky, thinking I knew it all. I was overleveraged. Then the bubble burst and the margin calls started coming in. A very expensive, painful and humiliating lesson.

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    I Work in Tax... (none / 0) (#50)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:52:05 PM EST
    ...and I understand this, plus the error wasn't the IRS's.  It's all automated,  it's not like someone went through my return, they uploaded the information from all my sources and came up with a different answer than mine.

    I doubt a human looked at my return until they called me.

    I spend 25% of my time on the phone,  I know how underfunded they are which really ticks me off, it's the income arm of the governments, it should well funded since every other department relies on them to function.

    I did not make an error, Scottrade did with the information they relayed to the IRS.  I am positive everyone that used Scottrade that year got the same breath stopping notification.

    Working in tax I unfortunately can't play dumb with the IRS, even though I work in sales tax.

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    What year was this? (none / 0) (#98)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:09:45 AM EST
    I use Scottrade and used to be a day trader. Did not have that problem. I trade a lot less now, more short-term than day trading.
    I hated tax time. It would take me days to check and double check that all amounts were correct and all buy/sell orders and lot sizes matched. It is a lot easier now with fewer trades.

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    It takes a lot (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:27:43 PM EST
    To suspend a license.  They both had no idea?

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    Not in NY it don't! (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:36:27 PM EST
    When I was serving on the Grand Jury I heard cases where people had their licenses suspended dozens of times on the same day.  I can't even begin to understand that bureaucratic mess!  I know mine has been suspended in the past without me knowing.

    The girlfriend knew, she wasn't driving...my brother says he didn't know, though it's certainly possible he was bullsh*tting me so I wouldn't bust his balls too bad for jamming up my night.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 03:27:51 PM EST
    down in GA they are very lax about letting you know your license is suspended. My husband got a ticket in another state, paid the ticket but there was some snafu where the other state did not record this and then he got pulled over for something else and they said his license was suspended. The State of GA nor the other state ever notified him of anything. Once he paid the ticket he thought it was fine.

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    Question, my man: (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:11:57 PM EST
    How does one not know that his or her driver's license has been suspended? I mean, it's not as though the authorities just choose people at random to suspend their licenses for the hell of it, and then not inform them -- at least, not out here anyway.

    In Hawaii, your license can be suspended should you accumulate too many driving record points; receive multiple citations for speeding and / or moving violations in one specific instance; be cited for DUI; not appear in traffic court; or fail to pay fines and fees. In other words, there is a clearly defined cause and effect, and I'm sure it's probably no different where you live.

    Personally, I'd say that far from being "a d*ck" or even "medium grade d*ckish," that officer was simply doing his job and further, was way cool to let you pick up the car when he otherwise might've had it legally impounded.

    Aside than that, well, the law is the law, and the legal burden is on you to know the current status of your driver's license before you choose to get behind the wheel. And while others may differ, I happen to think that requiring operators of motor vehicles to have a current and valid license is a good thing.

    Aloha.

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    Most people... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:00:31 PM EST
    do not keep the local traffic law book on their nightstand to reference Don, or keep a spreadsheet of their driving history, maybe you do.

    I may be clueless, my brother is definitely clueless, but CoralGables and GA's old man are not clueless. Maybe it's the states, not us?  I don't think it is too much to ask to get a god damn notification in writing upon suspension. I'd call that common courtesy.

    That being said, I will revise my grade of the officer from medium grade d#ckish to above average. But still below the cool threshold.

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    actually he sound cool (none / 0) (#66)
    by nyjets on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:41:05 PM EST
    He did his job correctly, he followed the law, but he allowed some allowance.
    There is no way the cop should let someone with a suspended license off with a warning. That is negligence.


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    It is very possible not to know your license (none / 0) (#95)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:45:49 AM EST
    has been suspended.
    Many years ago an ex-boyfriend was pulled over for speeding. He did not have his current insurance with him and was told he needed to send a copy of it when paying his ticket. He did so but the dmv did not update it in the system.
    Two years later, he was pulled over for speeding again and the cop tells him that his license had been suspended and there was a warrant out for his arrest. He them proceeded to arrest him and I followed in the car so I could bail him out.

    The next day he got a letter from his insurance company reflecting the fact that he had been insured continuously for x years  and was able to get his license back. Getting his arrest record expunged took some time and effort. A nightmare scenario when you are an immigrant and can lose your legal status and thus your job.

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    Does your brother have (none / 0) (#64)
    by ragebot on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 06:31:11 PM EST
    insurance.  I have to give my insurance company my license number and they check to see if it is a valid license.

    One thing I have read, but not confirmed is that in Miami-Dade county fully 1/3 to 1/2 of the cars on the road do not have valid insurance, in part because the drivers do not have a valid drivers license.

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    In Texas... (none / 0) (#121)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:26:53 AM EST
    ...like 4 years ago they developed a system to check on the spot if you have insurance.  I got pulled over on my bike and my card was an old one, he went and checked and said I was current.

    They did this because there was a huge market for fake insurance documentation.  I believe those numbers, but here at least, it's because immigrants can't get a drivers license, which basically means the rest of us subsidize their inability to purchase insurance.

    It's beyond stupid, but legislators are kicking around the idea.  I hope they do because they obviously can't stop people from driving without a license, the least they could do is make sure they can buy insurance.

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    4 charges? (none / 0) (#43)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:12:43 PM EST
    why is porter facing 4 charges for what is one batch of allegedly wrongful conduct?

    he failed to buckle gray into his place and that was an error.

    I'd probably be willing to call that some kind of negligence . . . he also told the van driver to get medical aid . . .

    what is the truth here? (none / 0) (#45)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 04:16:49 PM EST
    The plus (none / 0) (#91)
    by lentinel on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 10:09:20 PM EST
    of the Trump candidacy is that he is not in the least beholden to the Republican party.

    That is what is freaking them out - not any of his statements about Muslims or McCain or Megan Kelly.

    If they, the Republicans, lose.. they lose.
    If they win with Trump... they lose.
    No patronage.

    It's an interesting turn of events.

    You nailed it (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:58:40 AM EST
    he is not in the least beholden to the Republican party.

    It is to my knowledge a historical first.  Ross Perot ran on his own money, but as a third party candidate.

    Major party candidates have ALWAYS put in time in the trenches, paid some sort of dues, RUN IN AND WON AN ELECTION AT SOME POINT.  They had to play by the rules for years before getting a shot at the title.  You didn't get that shot without submitting to party discipline, and doing something for the party.

    If Trump steals the nomination, it will be like having to play the SuperBowl with a quarterback who refuses to read the play book OR the rule book.  By the way, he has never played in a real game, but he's great at the video version.  The coach and the players hate him, the end-zone crazy crowd loves him and you freakin' have to play him.

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    I had the misfortune... (none / 0) (#93)
    by desertswine on Wed Dec 09, 2015 at 10:31:44 PM EST
    of hearing an interview with Ted Cruz on NPR this am.  The guy is a real weasel... and very creepy.

     

    But here's the key point. Climate change is the perfect pseudoscientific theory for a big government politician who wants more power. Why? Because it is a theory that can never be disproven.

    Yes he actually said that.

    Inexplicably, when the interview was over, I had an almost uncontrollable urge to punch him in his doughy, potato face.

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 06:57:26 AM EST
    It makes it even worse to know that he almost certainly knows nearly everything he says is complete bullsh!t.   With some of them, Carson, you can think they actually believe what they are saying.  Not Cruz.   Not for a second.

    I've been reading that this is also the problem republican voters have with him.  They like what he says but they think he is a con artist.   Ironic that most of them support Donald but whatever, that's what they say.

    It's inarguable that Donald "seems" more sincere than Cruz.

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    Cruz (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:08:00 AM EST
    is just creepy but I'm kind of surprised that Republicans recognize that trait in him. They certainly don't seem to recognize the fact that they are being fleeced by the Donald.

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    Piggy Noonam from way back in March (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:21:54 AM EST

    Mr. Cruz's second problem has to do with words like sincerity, earnestness, ingenuousness. His conservatism is serious--fully thought through, studied, internalized. But who is he? I think of the comment of one of his fellow conservative senators: "He's a complete charlatan, you know." He did the shutdown, said that senator, not because it might work or help but because it served his breakout plan: be the guy who convinces the base he's the only one they can trust. The senator's implication: It's a game to this guy.

    It is not hard to notice that every Cruz conversation, every interview, seems to be the rote performance of a speech. In public, and often in private, he moves his hands and face and modulates his voice like a TV pro. Politicians have to be actors, but the trick is to be an actor without being a phony.

    Slickness is not a virtue in a politician, and obvious oiliness is a drawback. Mr. Cruz needs some awkward lessons. Maybe he can call Rick Perry.



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    Now you understand (none / 0) (#113)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 07:50:45 AM EST
    why I posted previously that I felt like I needed a shower after reading an interview/article about him. He is exactly as you described, creepy. It's not just me.

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    This is ridiculous (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 08:21:30 AM EST
    They seem (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 08:47:17 AM EST
    to be adept at using technology for sure.

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    See Trevor Noah (none / 0) (#126)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 10:02:39 AM EST
    From Tuesday night

    Comedian Trevor Noah says GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump is a "white" version of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    "Donald Trump is an extremist leader who came out of nowhere," said Hasan Minhaj, senior political correspondent for Noah's "The Daily Show."

    "He's self-financed, recruits on social media, attracts his followers with a radical ideology to take over the world and is actively trying to promote a war between Islam and the West," Minhaj told the "Comedy Central" host.

    "Oh my God, Hassan -- he's white ISIS," Noah responded.

    "That's right Trevor, Donald Trump is white ISIS -- WHISIS," Minhaj said.



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    If Trump is ISIS (none / 0) (#133)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:32:03 AM EST
    what does that make Cruz?

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    His first lieutenant? (none / 0) (#134)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:34:53 AM EST
    I don't know...the idea of the two of them as a team just makes me want to hurl.

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    Cruz is Al Nusra. On crack. (none / 0) (#152)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:43:41 PM EST
    Goes to show (none / 0) (#128)
    by vicndabx on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 10:24:06 AM EST
    how much you can trust apps in the various stores where they are downloaded.  Not curated it seems.  I hope Apple & Microsoft are doing a better job than Google.

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    I Highly Doubt... (none / 0) (#135)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:35:38 AM EST
    ...its at Google Play.  

    Android, unlike Apple, is open source, so it allows you to install apps not from the the Play store.  There are actually quit a few places to download apps that Google doesn't carry.

    Amazon is one and HERE is another.  There are 100's of them, some of for convenience, and others that carry stuff restricted by Google, like adult themed.

    It's actually not very hard to write a Google App, there are even apps that do it, as well a PC software.  It's the entire point of having an open source operating system.

    It's a very nice feature.

    For the ISIS, they just need to be email and opened in the phone and it will be installed.  Most apps are under 10MB.


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    Side loaded apps & open source (none / 0) (#137)
    by vicndabx on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:50:28 AM EST
    yes, I am familiar with both.  Torn between the risk/reward of Open Source.

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    Open Source is Infintely Better... (none / 0) (#141)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:16:21 PM EST
    ...the problem is not every user should have that much access.  Phones are the best example, if you want a phone that you can't screw up, get an iPhone, if you want a phone you control and can run any operation system you want, get an Android.

    Apps are convenient, it's not like people aren't going to follow ISIS because they don't have an app, the app just allows them more convenient access.

    The flaw is with people and ISIS, not the phone.

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    So what happens when the GOP establishment (none / 0) (#125)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:54:39 AM EST
    attacks Trump for his Islamophobia while they actually support it.

    You guessed it. His lead grows.

    Today's National Poll:

    Trump   35
    Cruz     16
    Carson  13
    Rubio     9
    Paul       4
    Bush      3
    Christie  3
    Kasich    3
    Huckabee 3
    Fiorina has dropped to 1%. Next week's debate should be her last on the mainstage

    If the Bush SuperPac could just double their spending they could get him down to zero.

    Who do you think (none / 0) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 10:52:07 AM EST
    is going to be out after Iowa? I predict Paul, Kasich, Huckabee and Fiorina will be out then. Christie and Bush can hold on through NH but then SC happens I think. Rubio tries to hang on through Florida I guess. I wonder if Bush will try to hang on through Florida or if he's going to give up the ghost before then. If Christie doesn't do well in NH, Super Tuesday will wipe him out.

    Would not this be just deserts to have Cruz and Trump as the last two standing at the end of March?

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    I am wondering (none / 0) (#131)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 11:15:26 AM EST
    If Fiorina will ever make it to Iowa, I think Huckabee will be the only one to drop out if he has a poor outcome in Iowa. I think most of the rest will be out after NH.

    I am still thinking Trump, Cruz and Rubio will be the last ones standing after super Tuesday, if not before, barring a miracle from Bush/Kasich/Christie

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    If Rubio (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:00:47 PM EST
    is still standing he's going to have been on one heck of a losing streak by the time Super Tuesday is over. I just don't seem him doing better than 3rd in the Super Tuesday states.

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    Like it (none / 0) (#147)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:47:46 PM EST
    or not, he seems to be shaping up as the last "establishment" candidate standing, that alone should give him some staying power. I agree I see a lot of third place finishes possibly a second or two,if he can consolidate the support of the rest of the establishment as they drop off. Currently Rupio/Bush/Christie/Kasich/Fiorina are pulling ~25%
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    Interestingly the undecided seems to be on a steady rise over the past several weeks, if Rubio can grab half of those and snag a few points from Carson he could get to over 30% support which would keep him very viable.

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    He is the (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:57:30 PM EST
    new flavor of the month for sure. One by one all the establishment candidates have failed. Just think the great hope Scott Walker didn't even make it to actual voting taking place.

    Once Trump aims his guns on Rubio I expect Rubio to start going down too.

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    GA, One of Trumps guns (none / 0) (#198)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:04:59 AM EST
    aimed at Rubio will probably be Rubio's stance on not lifting the Cuban embargo.  

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    I think (none / 0) (#172)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 09:16:37 PM EST
    this is how the delegates are allocated. Might keep things fairly close for a while

    All of the states that vote before March 15th are required to award their delegates proportionally. Starting on March 15th, the remaining 27 states/districts are free to award all of their delegates to the winner, ensuring a majority to the victor in that state.

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    I'm thinkin Jeb! (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:42:52 PM EST
    Might fall on his sword.   50 million has bought him 4% so he needs a reason to exit with dignity.  He might bow out in order to encourage consolidation around one anti-Trump.

    Or not.

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    Oh Jeb, you should have listened to your mother (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 01:24:52 PM EST
    She was right - people have had enough of the Bush family.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 12:55:12 PM EST
    if his numbers go to zero he might quit but despite his campaign going down down down he's still there. Left to his own devices it's going to be either when he runs out of money or when it gets to Florida and he loses. Frankly I'm not sure either him or Rubio can take Florida at this point.

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    The Kochs (none / 0) (#155)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 02:48:15 PM EST
    ...wanted JEB! and Walker.  Actual experienced, completely crooked politicians who knew their place.  As Mr. Mencken observed, an honest politician is one who, once bought, stays bought.

    They are going to get some combination of Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, pick one of the latter two, if for no other reason than the "Hispanic vote."

    You couldn't have sold a story this unlikely to Hollywood when everybody there was smoking crack.  

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    My prediction (none / 0) (#156)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 02:55:46 PM EST
    is a Trump/Cruz ticket.

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    If your prediction (none / 0) (#160)
    by coast on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 03:43:58 PM EST
    Comes to fruition, I may have to vote D for the first time.

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    I just (none / 0) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:45:48 PM EST
    don't see any other candidate that has the appeal of those two to GOP voters. You've got a large portion of the GOP base who exists on a daily diet of talk radio, conspiracy theories and hatred of people of different races. Those two seem tailor made for the GOP base.

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    I'm not sure anyone actually has to leave (none / 0) (#176)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 08:00:39 AM EST
    Other than Bush they are all running low budget campaigns right now, and Bush is still flush with cash from his SuperPac.

    If it was Bush in the lead they'd be dropping like flies but with Trump and the flavor of the week flying high everyone thinks they have a shot.

    That said, Rand Paul would be my guess as to the next to be gone. Don't think his ego will permit him to go to the JV table and a new Iowa poll this week could relegate him there next Tuesday. With recent news that he and his father don't see eye to eye he won't even have the support of the Ron Paul crowd.

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    57% Oppose Trump's Muslim Proposal (none / 0) (#164)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 04:21:59 PM EST
    Nearly six-in-10 Americans oppose Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's proposal to bar Muslims from entering the United States, but Republicans are evenly divided, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

    Fifty-seven percent of all adults disagree with Trump's proposal, versus 25 percent who agree.

    But views are mixed among Republicans: 42 percent of GOP respondents support Trump's proposal to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., while 36 percent oppose it.

    And among Republican primary voters, it's 38 percent support, 39 percent oppose.

    By comparison, 75 percent of Democrats and 55 percent of independents disagree with Trump's proposal.

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    Nothing surprising.

    Citadel Students Rally for Trump? (none / 0) (#169)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 05:12:54 PM EST
    Eight students have been suspended (none / 0) (#174)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 07:33:41 AM EST
    Although they have made strides as of late, under the surface, The Citadel is still macho white male south personified.

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    CG, as you probably know (none / 0) (#195)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 10:59:13 AM EST
    they now allow women to attend The Citadel, but I agree with your statement.

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    They claimed to be singing Christmas Carols (none / 0) (#175)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 07:38:26 AM EST
    If so, I'd make a hefty wager they were singing "White Christmas".

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    Serial Podcast Season 2 started this (none / 0) (#168)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 10, 2015 at 05:04:51 PM EST
    week. Episode 1 available at their web site and on iTunes.

    This season explores the Bowe Bergdahl case.

    For this season, Sarah Koenig teams up with filmmaker Mark Boal and Page 1 to find out why one idiosyncratic guy decided to walk away, into Afghanistan, and how the consequences of that decision have spun out wider and wider. It's a story that has played out in unexpected ways from the start. And it's a story that's still going on.

    Boal has taped conversations with Bergdahl. I don't know if it will catch fire like the first season did, but it promises to be a very interesting series.

    Btw (none / 0) (#203)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37:37 AM EST
    4-5 points is still a pretty big presidential win.