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    What about the Kentucky player... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by NycNate on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:41:50 AM EST
    Calling the Wisconsin player the N word?  Does anyone see a double standard here?

    Apparently, you see one, so why don't (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:50:45 AM EST
    you explain.

    I'll tell you what I see: an extremely athletically-gifted-but-immature young man who had his dream of going 40-0 and winning a national title crushed, who maybe had bought into the hype of Kentucky's inevitability, and couldn't handle the sportsmanship of the traditional post-game handshake, or the post-game interviews.

    For some reason, the adults in the room did nothing to ease these broken-hearted young men into facing the press, and left them to cope as best they could.

    In case you haven't noticed, Frank Kaminsky is white, so Harrison saying "Fk that n-word" comes across to me as the comment of someone who couldn't find even a drop of good sportsmanship within himself and reacted from the part of the brain that is emotion-driven.

    He apologized.

    I don't know why you want to make more of it than it was.  No, on second though, I think I do.

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    That's weak (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:20:40 AM EST
    "For some reason, the adults in the room did nothing to ease these broken-hearted young men into facing the press, and left them to cope as best they could."

    Blame the adults more than the player?

    "In case you haven't noticed, Frank Kaminsky is white"

    That's makes it less offensive?

    Ultimately, I don't think this is a big deal.  He was a sore loser and they were just words.  But, it also wouldn't be a big deal if Kaminsky had made the same comment instead.  However, I doubt you and most of the media would feel that way.    

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    You take passive/aggressive to (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:21:53 PM EST
    new levels, I must say...

    When Harrison - and several other Kentucky players - walked off the floor and into the locker room without the traditional post-game handshake, the coaching staff tried, but were unsuccessful, in getting them back out on the court.  That alone should have set off alarm bells, someone ought to have figured out that these players were deeply into sore-loser mode, and even after a few minutes to cool off, were maybe not likely to handle the presser well.  I mean, what do the Kentucky kids know about facing the media after a big loss?  Not much, I don't think.

    The coaches didn't make Harrison say what he said, but I think they underestimated their ability to be in control with the media.

    Now, as to your assumptions about what I or anyone else would or wouldn't feel if the tables had been turned, let's start with the fact that I haven't said it would be a big deal in that situation.  But if Harrison's going to refer to the white Kaminsky as the n-word, then Kaminsky, if he's doing a Harrison, would refer to Andrew as a cracker, a honky or some other derogatory word for a white person.

    And if he had, I'd be saying the same things I'm saying about Harrison.

    So, I would be careful about opining about what people would or wouldn't think until you upgrade your crystal ball; pretty sure you have the standard version, which doesn't include the option to get inside people's heads.

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    Be careful or what? (3.50 / 2) (#95)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:11:08 PM EST
    Someone will give my comment a low rating?  

    This whole thing looks like more politically correct BS.  People in here seem to be OK with that.

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    I don't give a hoot about ratings, so (5.00 / 5) (#111)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:10:26 PM EST
    no, that's not an issue for me.  What is an issue is people - like you - who plainly don't share a liberal point of view, thinking they can divine what it is liberals like me are thinking, or going to think or feel about any pretty much anything.

    The reality is that you're not very good at it, and separate and apart from some meaningless ratings system, what happens is no one takes you seriously, or believes you're acting from honesty.  

    You bait people.  You use some combination of disingenuousness and fake concern to reel people in, and then you attack.

    Around these parts, we call that "trolling," and just because you're polite about it doesn't make it something else.

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    Dissociative Identity Disorder (3.67 / 3) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:18:57 PM EST
    i wonder about this because you occaisionally  make sense.

    This?  This is barking at the freakin moon.  

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    Have you seen this? (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:49:30 PM EST
    Can't help noticing that he put a beard (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:59:44 PM EST
    on the the person at his right hand and changed the garb from the reverse color combination found in the original.

    This being the basis of the idea that person is in fact Mary Magdalene.

    Couldn't resist the DaVinci Code plug.

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    FYI.... NPR is interviewing Philip Glass right now (none / 0) (#116)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:09:07 PM EST
    I believe you're a fan?

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    Missed it But thanx 4 the heads up (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:48:18 PM EST
    watching Better Call Saul season finale

    This just showed up of my FB feed

    Laurie Anderson, Terry Riley and the guy from Kronos Quartet who's name I can't remember

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    I wasn't pleased with the BCS finale. You? (none / 0) (#119)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:30:53 AM EST
    Overall it was an excellent first season but kind of a dud for a season ender.

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    Actually I loved it (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 08:45:39 AM EST
    I thought it was maybe the best episode of the season.  And it was IMO a very good season.  I loved the way it set up the next phase of his life.  He was offered a job in the ivory tower and decided the way he had been treated, screw the tower.  The wonderful sequence when his con artist partner died (Which was great. Of all the ways I thought that might end I did not see that coming) was the symbolic death of Slippin Jimmy and the birth of Saul.


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    (Sigh!) And here comes McBain, ... (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:16:11 PM EST
    ... always at the ready to defend the endangered white male from persecution and extinction. If it's really not a big deal as you so claim, then why are you responding to Anne's comment and calling it weak, if not to make a big deal out of it?

    Anne so happens to be spot-on right and further, Frank Kaminsky doesn't need your help. He's already shrugged off the muttered slur as nothing more than an emotional outburst from a teenager in the aftermath of an intense and high-stakes game. He's accepted Andrew Harrison's apology because he has more important things to do right now than rise to the bait of a manufactured issue.

    If he can man up and do so, then surely you can let it go, too, and resist the urge to make it all about you. Don't foment controversy where you say none exists.

    Aloha.

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    it absolutely makes it less offensive (none / 0) (#39)
    by CST on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:27:20 AM EST
    https:/www.google.com#q=context

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    Thank goodness... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:36:21 AM EST
    my rec league football games or pick-up b-ball games at the park aren't audio recorded...the media and racial dividers would be up in arms! lol

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    Of Course... (none / 0) (#73)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:29:35 PM EST
    ...it makes it less offensive.  I would have a hard time not laughing if someone called me that.

    I know you are not that dense.

    Still, he should not have said it, but had their skin colors been reversed, I am pretty sure someone would have been kicked out of school by now and probably live in seclusion from the death threats.

    It's not the same no matter how bad you want it to be.

    Go Badgers !!!!

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    There's this thing called context... (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:10:38 AM EST
    and since the other player was white, I think this was a case of the modern slang usage of "n*gga", which is synonymous with "guy" or "dude"...as in "f*ck that dude".

    Hence, no double standard...but feel free to feel victimized for the poor poor put upon white man ;)

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    Sometimes (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:25:46 AM EST
    i feel like this place is the equivalent of Alexandria in the Walking Dead.  

    The zombies are constantly trying to get in.

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    And sometimes (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:27:06 AM EST
    they do

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    Zombie (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:17:14 PM EST
    was here earlier trying to say Jeb Heb Sharia was actually Hispanic. Jeb Heb Sharia even admitted he wasn't Hispanic.

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    Can we retire (none / 0) (#155)
    by sj on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:29:11 PM EST
    that "Sharia Bush" thing? I find myself skipping over the rest of your comment when it shows up and I might want to read the rest of what you have to say.

    Just sayin'. Obviously the choice is yours.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#156)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:32:41 PM EST
    but the whole Terri Schaivo debacle and Jeb ugh...

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    Perhaps ratings (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:43:15 AM EST
    should have ratings?

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    Our booze is too cheap (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by jbindc on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:38:32 AM EST
    and it's killing us.

    From a public health perspective, alcohol taxes are important. "Quite simply, alcohol taxation and other measures that increase the price of ethanol are effective in promoting the public health and safety, " writes Duke University's Philip J. Cook in his 2007 book Paying the Tab. "Higher prices are conducive to lower rates of underage drinking, traffic fatalities, and sexually transmitted disease."

    The logic here is simple. Higher taxes make alcohol more expensive. More expensive alcohol makes people drink less of it. And when people are drinking less, they're less likely to suffer costly health problems or do stupid things like drive drunk.

    "The qualitative conclusion -- that higher alcohol taxes save lives -- is well established in studies by economists and public health researchers," Cook said in an email. New research just published in the American Journal of Public Health adds to that body of evidence.



    Let's Not Re-Create the Problem of Prohibition (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:22:03 AM EST
    We have a war that ruing enough lives, no need to re-create the alcohol black market, or have idiots stealing our stuff to feed their alcohol addictions.

    And not to point out the obvious, but prescription drugs are killing a whole lot of folks, and they are being subsidized, often costing pennies compared to other drugs, including alcohol.

    I say let grown folks drink themselves to death if they want.  The notion that making it more expensive is going to solve alcohol deaths is laughable considering any clown can make it home.

    Just had some homemade grain alcohol.  He called it moonshine but I have had moonshine and its not smooth like this was.  Me and my brother made our own beer when we were in high-school, not bad and much stronger.

    Funny that you would post something about raising the rate tax on a drug to curb it's use.

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    Taxation is not Prohibition (none / 0) (#163)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:04:46 PM EST
    The amendment repealing Prohibition provides for the significant regulation of alcohol.

    This partee frat boy view of alchohol is so very destructive.

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    Just what we need... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:17:36 AM EST
    another social engineer with a brilliant idea to bleed those who can least afford it.  F*ck you too Phil!  

    Been there with tobacco...all they've done is drive me to the arms of another nation that respects my right to poison myself, and isn't trying to take me to the cleaners over it.  

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    I disagree here (none / 0) (#162)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:03:21 PM EST
    I am for decriminalization of drugs in terms of not sending people to prison over drugs.

    Many often argue that we have a double standard with drugs and alcohol--I agree.  But that does not mean we should make drugs socially acceptable like alcohol.  I think we should go the other direction.  Make both socially less acceptable.

    Substance abuse is a scourge.  I am not for sending anyone to jail.  But we can and should regulate the daylights out of both.  

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    God help us (2.00 / 1) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:07:50 PM EST
    Try a serious discussion (none / 0) (#168)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:13:37 PM EST
    Instead of a snide comment.

    You used to be capable of having such a discussion.  This response is very disappointing.

    I think a discussion of alcoholism and treatment for alcoholism is appropriate.  And alcohol abuse.

    Instead we have funny ha-has about Margaritas. No booze does not make one funny.

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    Ohhhh Concerrn troll (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:15:10 PM EST
    has come out from under the bridge

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    Ever since we disagreed (none / 0) (#174)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:21:17 PM EST
    over your over-concern with ISIS you have been a jerk, going out of your way to troll my posts with stupid drive-by comments with no substance.

    I used to value your posts.  Some of them still are interesting.  But you are just being a jerk here.

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    More twos please (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:14:06 PM EST
    you don't want to drink and do drugs, don't.   They would clearly be wasted anyway.

    Mind you own damn business when it come to the rest of..

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    "Wasted anyway" (none / 0) (#178)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:24:12 PM EST
    Stupid insult.

    No, it is not just your own business when alcoholism kills many.  It ends up being a public health issue.  I am not talking about putting anyone in jail or making use a crime for drugs or alcohol.

    I am talking about no booze on beaches--which by the way is the case on most beaches--no weed, either.  No booze or weed at public events.   Take the illusory glamour out of substance abuse.

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    honestly (none / 0) (#176)
    by CST on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:22:44 PM EST
    the nanny-state stuff aside - didn't you more or less make the same argument about gambling in the other thread?

    It's a vice.  The government makes money off of it to pay for necessary things.  I'm okay with that.

    Taxes on booze/smokes/gambling etc... seems like a reasonable place to have higher taxes.  They aren't necessities for anyone and have public health costs associated with them as well.

    I say that as someone with vices.

    There were times in college where I wondered how I was going to pay for my lunch.  But I could always afford a $0.50 draft at happy hour.

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    I have no problem with tax (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:25:06 PM EST
    what that person is saying goes way beyond that.

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    I have a big problem... (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:36:22 PM EST
    with taxes being used to de-facto regulate behavior.  

    Taxes should solely be used to raise necessary revenue for essential government functions...and that is all.  No social engineering via the tax code...A) It is discriminatory and unjust and B) It doesn't work.  

    I'm living proof with cigarettes...Bloomberg tried to make me quit via tyrannical tax rates, I found another source.  I won't be extorted into quitting, I'll quit if and when I want to.  Excessive regressive taxation only feeds the black market, just like a kinder gentler version of prohibition.

    Sh*t...if ya really wanna save the world via the tax code, you should wanna tax capital gains at a 95% rate, bullets at 95% rate, and leave drugs the f8ck alone.

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    It would not be my first choice either (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:38:53 PM EST
    i was making the point that it was not the problem I have with the thrust of this talk.

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    Not directed at you.... (none / 0) (#196)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:51:27 PM EST
    we're on the same page.

    I don't object to sales taxes, just how they are levied.  Straight 5-8% regardless of the goods being purchased, with food staples and generic clothing tax -exempt.  Done.  Anything less is discriminatory based on lifestyle choice, and this is supposed to be a free country with an inalienable right to pursue happiness.

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    There's also another solution, jb. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:34:35 PM EST
    We can save America by prohibiting the manufacture, sale and consumption of cheap beer, wine and liquor. (Bye-bye, Boone's Farm and Bud Lite, et al.)

    So please, everyone, if we must drink, then let's show some self-respect by drinking only the finest stuff. Because if you can't or won't tell yourself and others that you're worth every single dollar spent on the pickling of your liver, then who will?

    ;-D

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    Well the alcohol taxes now (none / 0) (#76)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:43:25 PM EST
     now are very regressive at the federal and in most states. The taxes are mostly  x% per volume, meaning a cheap bottle carries a higher proportion of tax to sales price than an expensive bottle.

      A gallon of liquor carries a $13.50 federal excise tax and a varying amount of state excise  depending on your state (sales tax too, based on price in most states).

      So, if you pay, say,  roughly $16 a  gallon in total excise taxes, it's a much smaller percentage of the price of a fine craft bourbon or single malt scotch than if you buy a bottle of Vladimir Vladimir.

      On an 80$ fifth (now 750 ml) the excise taxes only contribute about 4% of the price. On an $8 bottle of  the tax it's more like 40%.

     

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:29:29 PM EST
    I mean, why pay such a steep tax on a bottle of Montezuma, when you can pay a proportionally lesser tax on a fine bottle of Fortuzela?

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    Excuse me, I meant "Fortazela." (2.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:34:25 PM EST
    My bad. May I be sentenced to a pitcher of margaritas that's been blended with Pepe Lopez.

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    From the shores of Fortenzuma (3.50 / 2) (#105)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:24:53 PM EST
    To the Halls of Tanqueray?

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    Looks like you've got a jump start ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:50:37 PM EST
    ... on us with the margaritas.

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    Yes, alcohol abuse is funny (none / 0) (#166)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:08:55 PM EST
    I was making a pun. (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:33:49 PM EST
    Sorry that you took it as making fun or light of alcoholism, of which several members of my family have struggled with through the decades.

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    Donald, alchohol abuse is not funny (none / 0) (#165)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:08:24 PM EST
    A discussion about taxes devolves into a juvenile series of jokes worthy of high schoolers.

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    Where exactly does it say in the rules ... (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:29:14 PM EST
    ... that we have to be serious ALL the time?

    Alcoholism is indeed a major problem, and in fact two of my high school baseball teammates died from its complications when they were both in their early 40s. I have two first cousins, both twenty years younger than me, who've been battling the bottle since they were teenagers -- one of them apparently successfully, Lord willing, but the other is unfortunately not doing so well.

    Is that serious enough for you? Or would you like me to continue, by listing for you the various measures enacted to discourage alcohol consumption by youth when I worked in the legislature?

    Better still, perhaps you could simply lighten up once in a while, and give others a chance to laugh a little and do the same.

    Aloha.

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    We have all kinds of jokes about (none / 0) (#185)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:33:44 PM EST
    alcohol....It is often standard in our culture.

    Sorry, I do not think being drunk is funny.

    Too many good lives have been ruined.  Robin Williams and Whitney Houston.  And apparently now Cormac McCarthy, who like you had friends die of alcoholism but that did not prevent him from self-destruction.  And all your friends....

    There are other topics of humor.

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    My father drank himself to death... (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:46:24 PM EST
    what you sound like you're proposing is making sure the next alcoholic dies poorer than my father did.

    Drug and alcohol addiction/abuse is nasty, no argument...some of the few things nastier are every proposed fix society has come up with...cures worse than the disease all.

    I guarantee you this, if there is answer to this millennia old problem, it does not lie in the criminal code or the tax code.  It lies in education and acceptance that addiction/abuse is part of being human.  Deal with the consequences in sensible non-punitive ways, and learn to accept it.  That's all folks...there is no cure.

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    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:52:38 PM EST
    as if the problem was its too cheap.  Another educated assumption.  And as if the people who do this, particularly the ones who really have a problem with it, could possibly care less what that person thinks is socially acceptable.

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    So what exactly (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:37:19 PM EST
    you would tell those people they can't imbibe as they choose?

    You know what those people would tell you.

    Exactly what I've been telling you.  Mind your own business.

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    I never said you could not imbibe (none / 0) (#201)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:59:42 PM EST
    as you choose.

    I am talking about serving less alcohol at public events.....or in public places--parks, beaches, etc.

    And more of a grown up view of alcohol.  Treat alcohol more like tobacco.

    No one will stop you from getting drunk or using. I will ask that people stop applauding you for it.  And, people can ignore me if they choose. But my view about alcohol is entitled to the same right to be heard as yours....that it is not funny, cool, hip or enlightened.  It is just a destructive depressant.

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    Your nanny state BS (2.00 / 1) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:11:26 PM EST
    is worthy of what, exactly.

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    Do you really know what you (none / 0) (#172)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:19:00 PM EST
    are talking about?  

    The destruction caused by booze and drugs is significant.

    We do tax booze already.  I think we can talk about taxing it more.  I think too many have made alcohol glamorous and being drunk funny.  Society is changing though, I hope.  The movies from the 1960s made being drunk the height of humor. Even Hitchcock's classic North by Northwest has an opening scene of Cary Grant being drunk and driving drunk and addressing the judge while drunk.  Funny, funny, funny.  And the humor continues here.....
     

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    I don't think prohibiting things (5.00 / 3) (#195)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:50:38 PM EST
    Ends addiction problems.  I think an educated public helps much more than prohibition.  And I am super interested in an upcoming report on marijuana and PTSD that the Gupta guy is doing.  We are still losing 22 veterans to suicide every single day.  Right now, when the VA gets a hold of them and finds out they are smoking weed, the vet is told this is a problem....and then they are prescribed buckets full of " legal" drugs that obviously aren't helping these poor people.

    My father had what is now termed a traumatic brain injury.  Nothing was ever prescribed for him that allowed him to not experience something like a rage filled frustration at times.  And we are seeing it in the TBI soldiers too.  But pot put it to rest and allowed him a kind of even reality.  He was going to use something to feel normal, and alcohol was disastrous for him.  I made him a deal that if he stayed away from alcohol when he lived with my grandparents, I would defend him to my dying breath for smoking weed.  I would make that deal again too, poor man.

    The military is doing this resiliency training thing right now.  I call it a waste of tax payer money, but that's just me.  I know one master trainer, she drinks to deal....that doesn't bother me, I don't see that it has a detrimental affect on her life, but she drinks a lot okay?  She drank before master training, she drinks just as much after master training,  what resiliency building did she learn?  Physician....heal thyself.  Now my husband is required to become a master trainer.  I just think it is such a waste of fruckin time and money.  I told him that this resiliency thing hasn't touched the PTSD or suicide numbers...it's worthless.  So he tells HIS instructor that his wife said this, and the big cheese instructor says that I am correct about that but this training helps the other people. WHAT OTHER PEOPLE? Either you need some help or you don't.  Let's try WEED I say, HELLO....nothing else is working for the people who DO need help.

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#175)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:21:45 PM EST
    this sounds personal to you. yes, there are many people that have a problem with alchol. There are also many people who do not. I have a friend who has alcholic parents who has advised her son not to drink because she believes there is a genetic component to alcoholism. I tend to agree when you the Native American population seems to have a larger problem with it than the average American.

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    And many would say others too (none / 0) (#182)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:30:03 PM EST
    Many say there is a genetic component to alcoholism.

    A good discussion of this, rather than frat boy jokes, would be a good thing.

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    Nonsense (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    this is the nanny state crap that has kept people going to jail for years for a joint.
    It's stupid uninformed BS.  

    if that person wants to be a teetotaler do it.  It's a free country.
    When it comes to telling me whats good for me they can shove it.  I'm sick of it.  And I'm hardly alone.

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    I understand (none / 0) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:54:56 PM EST
    where you are coming from on this. In Georgia we have crazy high taxes on beer but low taxes on liquor. Figure that one. When I lived in SC we had this law where you could have beer and wine at 18 and liquor at 21 which we used to joke about because you can get just as drunk on beer and wine as you can liquor.

    Though regarding the tax on something like wine. It is served in churches. Would they be exempt or would they have to pay the tax too?

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    The chief comic relief is you (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:23:33 PM EST
    fo I know what I'm talking about?  Honey, please.  I have forgotten more about drugs and alcohol than you will ever know.

    Lips that touch liquor will never touch yours.   I think we can live with that.  Take your Prohibitionist crap someplace where someone gives a rats a$$.

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    More stupid insults (none / 0) (#180)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:28:35 PM EST
    Get your facts straight.  I am not talking about Prohibition. Cheap retort by you.

    And, no I am not saying you have never used or been drunk.  I am talking about your knowledge of the public health impacts....The scope of abuse.  You respond with some taunt--even bragging about--all the booze and drugs you have used.

     

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    Yeah? (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:33:32 PM EST
    I think we should go the other direction.  Make both socially less acceptable.

    Now you are freaking Emily Post?

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    Try an intelligent discussion (none / 0) (#191)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:40:54 PM EST
    Yes, I think being drunk should not be deemed funny but less and less socially accepted.

    As I stated in another post, our movies are more rarely showing being drunk as funny, slapstick humor like it was in the movies from the 1960s.

    Alcohol is a depressant and kills many.  It does not make someone more attractive or smart or funny.  It just depresses the nervous system.  Go ahead, Captain, knock your self out and drink or use all you like.    No one will stop you.

    I think our public spaces should be more alcohol free.   The Episcopal Church is currently re-visiting its views of alcohol....Church events often had lots of wine and liquor served at them (and no I don't mean the Eucharist.)  Too many people were hurt.  Now the Episcopal Church is thinking bout less alcohol at its events, etc.

    Captain, do you know anything about the recovery community?  That is what I was talking about.  

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    Please get off your high horse (1.00 / 1) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:42:45 PM EST
    I have more friends in rehab than you have friends.

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    the Episcopal church is looking at (none / 0) (#203)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 03:12:18 PM EST
    this because of, or at least in large part as a result of, this recent turn of events:

    Episcopal Bishop Heather Cook was indicted Wednesday on 13 charges in the death of a Baltimore bicyclist, including homicide, drunken driving, texting while driving and leaving the scene of an accident.

    [...]

    Since the accident, details of Cook's past drinking have come out, raising questions about what Episcopal officials knew and whether she was receiving any support since becoming the diocese' first female bishop last year. Cook was charged in a dramatic 2010 drinking-and-driving incident, the bare bones of which top diocesan officials knew when they selected her as a candidate but which they did not share with the broader body that voted to choose her.

    Initially reluctant to share details regarding Cook's personal life, officials have been speaking more frankly in recent weeks as Episcopalians have demanded answers. Bishop Eugene Sutton has appeared at three public question-and-answer sessions on the case, and a fourth is scheduled for Feb. 11.

    On Tuesday, Sutton's office said they didn't push Cook to discuss her drinking last spring when her 2010 drunken-driving arrest appeared in a background check, explaining that they were trying to respect her privacy. Cook is technically still the No. 2 bishop in the diocese, though officials have asked for her resignation.

    On Monday, the diocese set off debate when it posted a new, detailed timeline showing Sutton suspected that Cook was drunk during a pre-consecration dinner two nights before she was made a bishop in the fall.

    The timeline also says Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, leader of the Episcopal Church, who presided over the Sept. 6 service that consecrated Cook, was also made aware that Cook may have been drunk during the dinner.

    There is no question that alcohol exacts a terrible toll on individuals and families and on society as a whole; there is alcoholism in my family and I've witnessed those effects first-hand.

    Interesting perspective from my younger daughter, who remarked/observed when she was pregnant with her now-5 month-old baby, "you know, people who are drinking or drunk just aren't nearly as funny or charming as they think they are - but you don't know this until you're the only one who's sober."

    Do I enjoy a drink or a glass of wine? Sure.  But I don't need it; I'm not going to die if I can't have any.  And after reading about the high arsenic levels in some of the less expensive wines )"Two buck Chuck" for example), I certainly don't want or need what I drink to make me sick.

    Do I think people should have the choice?  Of course - I don't advocate for prohibition.  But I'm not opposed to taxing it more, either.  I don't have the stats handy, but higher taxes on cigarettes have lowered consumption rates, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.  Unfortunately, it means that as consumption goes down, so does tax revenue, and that's why the cigarette taxes keep being raised.

    We all know alcohol abuse is no joke, but I can still laugh at a good pun; pretty sure you can, too.

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    Because wealthy people (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Redbrow on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:10:47 PM EST
    Never drink and drive. We must target the unwashed low income masses with disproportionate regressive taxes.

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    Thank the goddess that's not true (5.00 / 5) (#80)
    by Peter G on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    I don't know what a large number of my lawyer friends would do for a living if the well-off didn't drink and drive.

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    No double benefit always.. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Nankumota on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:22:45 PM EST
    Brother, we always think of double benefit always, but in such case, lawyer friends benefit is nothing compare to the loss the drinker will give to the opponent, opponent may die even and the loss to his family is "victim's LIFE".
    So, remember, "drink and drive, you won't survive." I always oppose drinking and driving, instead keep calm and watch ipl live streaming with your family and enjoy. lol

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    Site Violator! (none / 0) (#132)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 10:08:59 AM EST
    And no sense of humor, either (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 10:42:29 AM EST
    A double detriment.

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    By the same theory (4.00 / 3) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:22:19 AM EST
    we should have a high tax on food in this country since we lead the world in obesity.

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    "Food" (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:40:37 AM EST
      is a necessity. All food is not created equally-- some is not merely healthy but required for life.

      All food is also not now taxed in the same manner. In many states food purchased for home consumption at a grocery store is not subject to sales taxes but restaurant meals are. Even at the grocery store in some places prepared ready to consume food (e.g. a rotisserie chicken) is taxed but food that will be prepared at home (a raw chicken) is not.

      On the flip side, SNAP ("food stamps") can now be used to buy "junk" (except prepared) food but many advocate making soda, cookies,candy, chips, etc., ineligible, based n the argument they are not healthy.

      Would a tax not on "food" generally but one levied on bulk purchases of high fructose corn syrup, refined sugars and trans fats by commercial processed food manufacturers be an idea that should be summarily rejected?

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    Just to clarify (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:06:07 PM EST
    "junk" does not mean fast food like McDonalds.  They (snap funds) can be used to purchase pretty much thing edible.  Except, as you say things like prepared food in a supermarket.  For example you can buy a cold cooked chicken but not a hot one(?) for some reason.   I suppose the idea is you are more likely to take a cold one home to your kids.  Who knows.
    I agree that sort of tax at the manufacturing point would be bad.  It really would be a tax on the poor since the cost would just be passed on to the consumer.
    IMO that kind of social engineering tax can be less bad, as with tobacco although I don't think it's has stopped more than a handful of smokers and has generally just resulted in less food for the family.  But in general it's not good.  

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    People can also buy take-and bake (none / 0) (#66)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:28:42 PM EST
    pizza with SNAP, at least here in CA.

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    Except (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:27:18 AM EST
    Your theory fails since everyone HAS to ear.  No one HAS to drink alcohol (or smoke, for that matter).

    My, when did this crowd get so anti-science?

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    It's not anti-science... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:35:19 AM EST
    it's anti-regressive taxation.

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    Add to your comment (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by christinep on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:50:05 PM EST
    And, the food-czar approach to tax may well lead to a value-laden expansion to taxing foods that some believe should be reserved to those who can afford it (aka society's economically advantaged components.) That expansion has been noticeable of late as blips of state legislators are suggesting, openly, that food stamps should not be available for items such as certain cuts of meat or shrimp or whatever.  

    Nope ... this really isn't about "science"; it appears to be a coy approach to screwing the poor.  Amid all this, it helps to remember how the food pyramid has shifted over the years -- heck, what is better and/or what is bad?  Do we love Atkins? Sure, we may all agree about items known as fast food--and their empty, useless, even harmful calories--but the reality is that food nutritionists do not agree on what is good, bad, maybe ok, etc when you get beyond the obvious.  OTOH, it would be fun to observe any squabble over where to draw the line.

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    Nothing "coy" about it (none / 0) (#82)
    by sj on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:25:40 PM EST
    Nope ... this really isn't about "science"; it appears to be a coy approach to screwing the poor.
    It's not sly and it's not sneaky. It is an in-your-face effort to punish and humiliate for the crime of poverty. How dare one be poor enough to require public assistance and not be satisfied with a substandard fare! What good is a meal of public assistance if it doesn't come with a side of humiliation?

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    Everyone has to eat (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:08:09 AM EST
    Yes indeed, but so what.  No one has to eat pizza, so it's ok to tax that?  Or butter, etc?

    You seem to suggest that taxing all food other than some government approved basic gruel.  Is A ok.  Beer is just as much a food as Coca Cola, only better for you.

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    Good point... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:33:57 AM EST
    on beer v. Coca-Cola...beer is better for you, it's got potassium and calcium and soluble fiber.

    And the health benefits of wine have been documented as well.  In moderation of course.

    Not to give these social engineering arseholes any bright ideas about my beloved Coca-Cola or anything;)

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    great idea kdog... (none / 0) (#71)
    by fishcamp on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:08:36 PM EST
    I'm going to have a beer.

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    fish (none / 0) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:22:55 PM EST
    I had a Monk In The Trunk with dinner at the Bayside Grille in Key Largo last night. I really need to take notes from you on other eating spots heading from MIA to the Conch Republic.

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    Must google "Monk (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:33:00 PM EST
    in the Trunk"!

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    CG, sorry to hear Bayside Grill (none / 0) (#146)
    by fishcamp on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:51:15 AM EST
    might not have been good.  I'v heard a couple of good reports about it.  But you know the best is Lazy Days in Islamorada.  You even have a great photo of it.  I don't go up to KL often but Mrs. Mac's Kitchen and Mandolay Bay were always good in the past.

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    When??? (2.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 12:36:04 PM EST
    When you started moving their cheese.

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    And when it comes to science, ... (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:57:23 PM EST
    ... you've obviously been cutting the cheese for years.

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    Really?? (2.00 / 1) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:17:15 PM EST
    And do I have another Shadow??

    My comment was simple.

    The drinkers don't want their booze taxes increased yet I'd bet most here will be okay with tobacco taxes.

    BTW - I quit 6/1/1992. One of the best things I ever did.

    Link

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    My comment was simple, too. (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:40:20 PM EST
    You deny the findings and relevance of science all the time in these threads. In fact, you're in denial about an awful lot of things. And that's why when you toss a absurdly slow pitch like that, one that's just begging to be knocked out of the park, you shouldn't begrudge others here the temptation to take a swing at it.

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    A White man on White Supremacy and Fear... (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Dadler on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:32:43 AM EST
    ...of a Black Nation. (link)

    Hat tip for this video to my old Pringle Palace roommate, A.S. (Palace = 1920s Pringle Street, Mission Hills, San Diego house full of five starving artists in San Diego, circa 1992), who just got accepted to Duke University's graduate program in Experimental and Documentary Arts.

    That is for that (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:38:16 AM EST
    it was excellent.  I think it's shocking for some to hear truth and compassion with that accent.   Not for me.  It's more or less a daily thing.
    We should all watch that clip.  Particularly some of our (ahem) newer folks.

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    Um (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:39:07 AM EST
    THANKS for that.

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    He reminds me of my younger brother (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dadler on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 12:22:47 PM EST
    Born and raised in Rome, Georgia. I'm 18 years his senior.

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    John Oliver (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:47:56 AM EST
    Speak of.. (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 12:21:48 PM EST
    a god damn real American hero, a monument has been erected in his honor in Brooklyn.

    Till the police tear it down, anyway.

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    Yay, Brooklyn! (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Zorba on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:46:32 PM EST
    n/t

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    I like to think of it... (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:50:01 PM EST
    as a house-warming gift to Clinton Campaign Headquarters.

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    It's already covered up, (none / 0) (#106)
    by Zorba on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:29:45 PM EST
    and soon to be taken down, if it hasn't been already.
    Ah, well.     :-(

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    Turn that frown upside down Z... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 10:08:37 AM EST
    Wolf Hall (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:07:56 PM EST
    the cinematography and lighting are exceptional.  Such beautiful lighting.

    Also, I wish those clothes would become fashionable for men again (sans funny hats).  I have not worn a suit or tie in many decades but I would totally rock those long coats and boots and ruffels.

    btw (none / 0) (#56)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:18:17 PM EST
    i followed your rec a couple of weeks ago to watch Going Clear, the Scientology documentary on HBO - excellent

    it would be great to see John Travolta & Tom Cruise become Scientology apostates, but i fear that Travolta is too stupid & that Cruise is too insane - maybe Elizabeth Moss will step away from the E-meter

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    I think you'll appreciate this: (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:04:06 PM EST
    "Hold out your hand a follow me.
    I have the code, the code to the key."

    LINK.

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    thank you, Donald (none / 0) (#109)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:51:39 PM EST
    they nailed it

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    The same guy (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:23:43 PM EST
    did the Sinatra doc that started last night and concludes tonight.

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    You have (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:29:41 PM EST
    just been living in the wrong century!

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    Oh, you're just incorrigible! (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:06:21 PM EST
    No white man, straight or gay, would ever be taken seriously again, were he to appear in public dressed like one of Henry VIII's ingratiating courtiers. Verily, thou must get thyself to a Men's Warehouse by the morrow.

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    If I walked into Menz Wearhouze (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:56:19 PM EST
    i would burst into flames like a vampire exposed to sunlight.

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    lmao (none / 0) (#194)
    by vicndabx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:48:10 PM EST
    I love that they are using the real locations (none / 0) (#126)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 09:09:10 AM EST
    as much as possible. That lighting is exquisite. I was a little worried about the adaptation because so much of the books are Cromwell's memories and interior monologues, but Mark Rylance is soooo good I am not worried anymore. Very well done in leaving our first meeting with Henry till near the end of the first episode too.  

    Would you pick the Tudor wardrobe over the 1970 wardrobe on display in the new Mad Men episode? I think these final 7 episodes are going to serve to remind us that the 70's were truly horrible. there is no hope.

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    Definitely Tudor (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 09:22:01 AM EST
    although I did not hate 70s clothes that much.  Dress clothes, suits, ties etc, yes.  But I never wore thise.  I liked that it was sort of open sea son fashion wise.  You could pretty much wear anything.  And I had some pretty wild stuff.

    Did you see the Saul finale?  I commented on it somewhere in this thread.  I loved it.

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    Yes, I did see Saul (none / 0) (#128)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 09:35:00 AM EST
    Love that they are taking their time with the story. I guess it makes sense since they don't know yet how many seasons they are going to have, and at some point they will be running up against the BB time frame, or run along in parallel with it. I think that would be interesting. What was Saul doing when he was not dealing with Walt and Jesse?

    All in all shaping up to be a really good series.

    Loved the use of 'Smoke on the Water'. Such a 'Chicagoland' staple. Perfect choice.

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    My fashion role models were (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:00:37 AM EST
    Sonny and Cher
    And
    Mrs Peel
    Nuff said?

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    Mrs Peel? You mean Lady Tyrell? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:30:34 AM EST
    Getting psyched for Sunday!

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    ha - there was definely a Cher-like outfit (none / 0) (#139)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:29:09 AM EST
    on one of the models in Mad Men on Sunday. That and the mustaches on Roger and Ted brought me right back to my teen years. My dad grew that mustache as he was going off the rails....

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    That's one of my favorite pics of them (S&C) (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:39:50 AM EST
    true story
    My mother was a very gifted seamstress.  She could make any thing and enabled me shamelessly.  I actually found that material and had her make me that suit.  She also made peasant shirts with billowly sleeves and long Nehru jackets.  Which did not earn her points with my stick-up-their-ass christian conservative older brothers.  Honestly I think she enjoyed freaking them out as much as I did.
    Obviously she was the original strong woman in my life.
    I still have some of the stuff (if only they still fit) but I've shown them to professional clothing people and they are always amazed at the craftsmanship.  
    I miss my mom.  She was one of a kind.  I think some of my hippy friends liked her more than me.

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    From the Thread About the Female Bombers (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:38:32 PM EST
    We are losing all perspective of what used to be common sense.

    In my house I currently have propane, butane, fertilizer, soldering tools, and an extensive collect of tools including a welder.

    I bought the Anarchist cookbook when I was like 15.

    It's getting ridiculous to say the least.  You have one group hiding behind the constitution to own military grade guns, and the other can't buy a pressure cooker without getting a visit from the FBI.

    I better toss the cookbook before some idiot gets it in his head that I am dangerous.  But hot damn if I can't buy assault riffle, a silencer, and enough ammo to wage my own private war.  

    My local mini mart sells 20 kinds of knives, crack & weed pipes, every kind of boner supplement know to man, but damn if I can't get a beer before noon on Sunday at the same mart.  But I can go to a Mexican restaurant and start drinking Margaritas at 6am.

    Where has common sense gone ?

    This business with the FBI feeding people bomb making plans and pushing them towards something they may or may not have done is bothersome to say the least.  Let's get back to making arrests after an actual crime has been committed, let people decide, and if the decide wrongly, arrest them.  But pushing people into something is so GD un-American I want to vomit.

    I bet if you dig deep enough you would find that the number one driver behind all this madness, is personal agenda, aka promotions.  Creating a terrorist to arrest isn't making any of us safer, if anything it's diverting resources and having the opposite effect.

    The fact is they can't stop crime, it's going to happen, but they can stop trampling on our liberties.  This notion that the only way to get the bad guys is to hamper everyone's else's freedoms is complete BS, and again very un-American.

    Son Zorba (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Zorba on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:34:07 PM EST
    also has a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook, which he acquired when he was in high school.  Of course, it's on a 5 inch floppy disc, and none of our current computers can read it.
    He also said that most of the "recipes" in there are fairly useless.  ;-)
    And I ordered a new pressure cooker-canner shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing, and I ordered it online.  One of my friends asked me if I thought that was wise, maybe the FBI would show up on my doorstep.  I told her not to worry about it, because I sure wasn't worried.
    A whole lot of this trampling on our liberties, including the FBI setting people up so they can look good by arresting people, the NSA surveillance program, and even the rigmarole we go through with TSA at the airports, is what Mr. Zorba calls "security theater."  It makes a lot, if not most, of the people in this country think they are "safer."  And I can't count how many times have I heard from people I know, "Well, if you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't mind all this."
    Well, dammit, I mind it.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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    One of the staples of M.E. (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:54:28 PM EST
    cooking is rice. A large number of people from the M.E. that I know have a pressure cooker. They use it to make rice, not bombs.

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 07:44:34 AM EST
    ...the cookbook is pretty stupid.  The 'plans' are like 'add nails to the explosive devise for greater effect'.  I have the book, and I believe it's with other high school memorabilia, like year books, in a box somewhere.

    The only actual recipe in the book is for LSD.  It sticks out like a sore thumb as it's very technical.  Otherwise it's got stuff like grinding up morning glory seeds to simulate the effects of LSD and other really lame stuff.

    There was a link posted here about a woman who ordered a pressure cooker and her husband ordered something unrelated, but they got a visit from the FBI.  And if I remember correctly it was like 8am and they had people go around back, but the husband refused to let them in.

    The point isn't whether they will actually show up, the point is that we are at that stage where ordering a cooking devise has people thinking about a visit from the FBI.  

    And that ain't right.

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    You know (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 07:50:07 AM EST
    my mom bought me an electric pressure cooker for this past Christmas. The thought never passed my mind about the fact that she might get a visit from the FBI.

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    I also have the book (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 08:26:47 AM EST
    hiw old is yours?  I believe there was a "less helpful" revised edition published later.  I assume mine is the original text since I had had it many many years.  I don't remember when exactly but it must have been the 70s.

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    I Bought Mine... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 09:48:54 AM EST
    ...in the late 80's, and it has to be the less informative one because it would be hard to be make it even more ridiculous.

    My take on my version, gimmicky.  Something kids in junior high would find fascinating.  But like a bible I got in boot camp, I can't bring myself to throw in the trash where it belongs.

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    I always thought... (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:40:28 AM EST
    Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book" was better...available for stealing here.

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    Have that too (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:45:43 AM EST
    and I stole it.

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    Could use a 21st Century Update... (none / 0) (#147)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:58:54 AM EST
    the man has closed many of the loopholes...like the credit card fraud stuff.  It boggles my mind that you had a whole month lag between when the banksters cut you off and the vendors got the updated "bad card" list.  

    And the self-defense against police tactics...nowadays they just gun your arse down.

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    I try to periodically purge myself (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 10:53:32 AM EST
    of "things" I don't need or use.  But almost never books.

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    Is it time to start naming rape accusers? (3.00 / 3) (#112)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:20:24 PM EST
    I would love to hear Jeralyn's take on this.  

    It seems the practice of not naming rape accusers in media reports has led to a presumption of guilt to the accused and a lack of investigation before reputations are ruined.

    For some reason the alleged crime of rape gets treated differently than other crimes.  Probably to persuade real victims to come forward.  The problem is false accusers don't seem to face significant punishment.

    The other problem ... (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Yman on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:49:54 PM EST
    ... is people accusing victims of being "false accusers" without affording them the same presumption of innocence they demand for those accused of rape.

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    ... by the irresponsible behavior of one or two individuals. Sexual assault is a very serious crime that often goes unreported to the authorities, precisely because of the stigma that's long been attached to it by people such as you.

    That's not to say that there aren't untrue accusations offered up from time to time. I was privileged a number of years ago to have worked on a major research project that thoroughly examined what was arguably the most infamous false rape charge of the 20th century, the "Massie Affair," which unfolded over the course of nine agonizing months in 1930s-era Honolulu. (Here's the promo for the resultant PBS documentary.)

    The cascade of events stemming from Thalia Massie's ever-evolving story ultimately led to the tragic lynching of one of the five young men who were initially accused, a crime which occurred a mere four weeks after a jury had refused to convict them, and then the subsequent arrest of Thalia's husband (Thomas Massie, a Navy lieutenant) and her mother (Grace Fortescue, a prominent east coast socialite) for murder.

    And because Mrs. Fortescue also happened to be an heir to the Bell Telephone fortune, her family could easily afford to hire the great Clarence Darrow to defend her and Lt. Massie. (While it would prove to be Darrow's final criminal case in a celebrated 50-year career, it was hardly his finest legal hour.) Their spectacular trial, which was front-page tabloid fodder for months in the mainstream mainland media, concluded with one of the more damning miscarriages of justice in American jurisprudence, and probably deferred the cause of Hawaii statehood for at least a quarter-century.

    So, I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of those persons who find themselves in the crosshairs of investigators as a result of false rape allegations. But from my own rather in-depth study of the subject, I've found that such spurious accusations tend to be the relative exception, rather than the general rule. That's why when such charges are shown to be untrue, it's real news.

    Aloha.

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    One gets the impression that some of (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 07:55:14 AM EST
    our "rape culture is a hoax" commenters are thrilled to see these false accusations, because it means maybe we're one step closer to no one believing any woman who claims to have been raped.

    The rest of us, I think, despair about the false allegations, always, not just because it's wrong to put anyone in that position, but because the ensuing reaction puts more women who have been raped in a position where they would rather suffer than subject themselves to an atmosphere like that.

    Maybe it's a case of not being able to understand how people who know each other, who maybe have some kind of relationship, can be involved in rape.  But I'd be willing to bet that almost every woman has, at some point in her life, been in a situation where she felt forced to have sex, or came close to it.  Where what may have begun as a consensual situation changed into something else and she was powerless to stop it.  Where no one listened to her repeated requests to stop.

    False allegations are never okay.  No one here is saying they are.  But it makes me a little sick to see how quickly some people leaped to the conclusion that what happened at UVa is the norm, not the exception.  I don't know if it's a basic dislike for or lack of respect for women, in general, but it's disturbing.

    For as much attention as the UVa case is getting, I wonder if any of those who seem to want all accusations to be treated as false allegations have any interest and/or concern over the numbers of men who rape women, lie about it, and end up getting away with it.  

    Because the reality is that women are raped on college campuses by men they know, and it shouldn't have to reach epidemic status for that to be taken seriously.  And educating people about rape has to include teaching that falsely accusing someone of rape hurts many people on many levels, and undermines the ability of rape victims to be taken seriously.

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    Who are you talking about? (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:22:57 AM EST
    " I wonder if any of those who seem to want all accusations to be treated as false allegations have any interest and/or concern over the numbers of men who rape women, lie about it, and end up getting away with it."

    All accusations should be investigated. Don't take someone's word for it but don't assume they're lying either.  Treat rape and sexual assault like other crimes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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    No But... (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:23:49 PM EST
    ...thousands of people make false accusation every day, yet you are all excited over one kind of false allegation.

    People sit in prison for decades over liars, reported here on occasion, yet not a peep from you, and then comes the college kids who were accused.  Not imprisoned, not even a costly trial, and you want heads, now.

    Your obvious excitement is unsettling to say the least.  Spare us you 'end up getting away with it' speech until you actually start actually commenting about the false accusers who have done infinitely more damage to the accused lives.

    HERE is a long list of people who spent decades behind bars because of a false accusation, there are many.  

    HERE is one from last week, 30 years on death row because of police lied about evidence.  Don't remember you mentioning anything, odd you didn't mention a case were a black man was put on death row because cops lied.

    It like your pseudo outrage isn't concerned about actual false allegations in general, just certain types really rattle you sense of decency...


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    I guess I don't know the rules, Scott (none / 0) (#197)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:52:01 PM EST
    I have to be outraged over cases you're interested in?  

    "People sit in prison for decades over liars, reported here on occasion, yet not a peep from you, and then comes the college kids who were accused.  Not imprisoned, not even a costly trial, and you want heads, now."

    My comments about Amanda Knox and the West Memphis Three somehow don't count?  I've been interested in false accusations and false confessions ever since the McMartin Pre School case. Perhaps, you only remember the comments of mine you have issues with?

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    I would be pretty happy (none / 0) (#149)
    by CST on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:16:17 PM EST
    If no person accused of any crime got their names blasted all over the media.

    Rather than punishing more people - in other words "false accusers" (do they get a trial too?) - why don't we try to keep everyone's name out of the mud until evidence has been provided in court.

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    And the Lead Detective... (none / 0) (#159)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:44:20 PM EST
    ...and her friends all felt something traumatic happened to her that night, just not what was reported.

    A point McBain keeps willfully ignoring.  Along with the fact that the police never said she lied, only that they could not find evidence of a crime, and there were inconsistencies in her recollection of events 2 years earlier in 2012.

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    A weak prosecution case (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:59:31 PM EST
    does not mean innocence, or that the rape did not occur.

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    Her friends aren't buying it (none / 0) (#200)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:54:59 PM EST
    I watched an interview with two of them last night. One even said "This wasn't her first rodeo" when it comes to false accusations.

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    Baa waa waa (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:19:12 AM EST
    Jeb identified himself as Hispanic.

    link

    'Been laughing about that all morning (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by christinep on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:11:19 PM EST
    Then, I realized, that campaigns don't take identification issues lightly.  Remember the negative publicity Elizabeth Warren received over her identification as part Native American during her '12 Senate run ... the negativity from the opposition was obvious even tho the matter of identity clearly showed a reason for claiming such heritage.  Now, we are supposed to chuckle over the Jebbie incident?!

    "What goes around comes around."  So, here, we have a prominent member and possible presidential candidate in the Repub party--a party that has spent much time & money talking about voter fraud during registration, expounding on the evils of misrepresentation during the voting process--who made a <mistake, error, fraudulent representation.>  Uh huh ... funny or what.  

    I think that there can be only so many reasons for making such a--for the sake of argument--mistake such as this one on a sworn voter form, which form highlights criminal penalties and importance (in 2 places) for false response.  If this error was accidental, don't we want to ask ourselves about the mental state or comprehension or voting capability of anyone who would answer that clear question in a false manner?  Aren't we concerned about that person's ability--especially a representative of a party that talks so much about voter fraud--to vote let alone govern?  Does it matter that he is a member of the Bush dynasty rather than actually being Black, Hispanic, Asian?

    What would the Repubs say if a Democrat were caught doing this today?  IMO, we should press hard ... we should talk about voter misrepresentation in all its not-so-funny ramifications when it hits home.

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    I hadn't (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:24:25 PM EST
    thought of the voter fraud issue but that is an interesting angle you bring up.

    I have just thought mostly what the heck is wrong with this guy that he can't even check the right box?

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    Hey Hater (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:41:07 AM EST
    We are all Hispanic now :)  

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    Hater indeed (none / 0) (#15)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 09:48:34 AM EST

    noun
    2.
    a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.

    Especially, but not limited to.

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      First, it would include people who learned to speak Spanish as a second language without having any lineage of ancestors from Spanish speaking nations.

      Second, it would not include a person born to Spanish speaking parents from  Latin America  where Spanish is the dominant language  who, for whatever reasons, did not learn to speak Spanish.

      As for the "especially" that is a usage note simply pointing out that most Americans do not intend to refer to people from Spain or Spanish speakers from the Philippines, Gibraltar, etc., when using the term Hispanic.

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    Coming from Spain (none / 0) (#22)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:26:03 AM EST
    makes you Hispanic according to the census.  Ditto Portugal IIRC.  

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    That doesn't mean (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:44:04 AM EST
      that most Americans use "Hispanic" to refer to a person from Spain.

      I think it's pretty clear that most people of Portugese descent do not like being labeled Hispanic, and according to this it was just a rumor that the Census was going to do so.

      Regardless, the broad and somewhat arbitrary classifications by the Census do not necessarily reflect what people  intend to connote in using certain terms. Nor does it ameliorate the flaws in the definition you provided.

      I think it is pretty much understood that "Hispanic" in this country is used predominantly to refer to a person who can trace ancestry to South or Central America or a Caribbean island once controlled by Spain.

       

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    I more or less agree with your (none / 0) (#74)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:32:17 PM EST
    "pretty much" understood assertion. The problem with boiling a label down to one word is that it means different overlapping things to many different people.  Clearly the census definition is not fringe.  

    To relate a personal story, shortly before I left the Navy many years ago we each had to choose a racial classification for ourselves.  As we all have mixed ancestory to one extent or another, I asked the officer in charge what was the correct criteria for selecting one over the others.  After researching Navy policy, he said that you are whatever you say you are.  WTF.

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    Oh for crying out loud (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:20:28 AM EST
    Who knows the lengths you went to to find this blurb and pull it out of context, but Jeb Bush is not Hispanic.  His children can make that claim, his wife can make that claim, all he can claim as far as Hispanic goes is Hispanic adjacent.

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    Jeb, at least, (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:45:37 AM EST
    is explaining his Hispanic legacy on "paperwork."   And, Jeb:  "My mistake. Don't think I am fooling anyone."  (from the link).  However, Jeb should adopt the (wingers: please excuse the expression--) a more liberal definition of "hispanic"; that rationalization should clinch the deal for him.

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    Hey (none / 0) (#23)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:29:33 AM EST
    I did not invent that definition. It's what came up on a Google for "Hispanic definition."  Your understanding of the language may have just been expanded.

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    I'm okay discussing that someone (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:50:09 AM EST
    In Jeb Bush's lineage could have possibly hailed from Spain many years ago as long as we simultaneously discuss that the Bush fortune hails from dealing with Nazis in Nazi Germany :)

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    As yes well (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by vicndabx on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:59:49 AM EST
    I found it on the internet....

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    Well (none / 0) (#34)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:10:52 AM EST
     what clearly did not occur is causing you to think about use of  language. Without even delving into the whole prescriptive versus descriptive debate among  lexicographers, there is broad, if not universal agreement that a proper definition will include all to which a word refers and exclude all to which it does not.

      A definition that fails to do both is imprecise and inaccurate.

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    I'm pretty generous (none / 0) (#40)
    by sj on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:31:22 AM EST
    with the high "5"s here, and was surprised when I found I could give you one above. So I did.

    But now? Situation normal. The usual drivel that we can expect from you.

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    Oh, goody! Does your definition mean that ... (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 03:57:34 PM EST
    ... I, as an American of German-Irish-English descent, can also stake a claim to being Hispanic? After all, I'm competent if not fluent in Spanish, I'm married to a Latina, and my in-laws in south Texas were former undocumented immigrants who obtained their citizenship during the last round of immigration reform.

    Some arguments really aren't worth the expense of bandwidth, Abdul, and this is one of them. One's ability to speak Spanish is no more representative of Hispanic identity, than is a craving for Mexican food.

    Aloha.

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    Donald, you'll never be President. :-) (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by fishcamp on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:21:15 PM EST
    No, I won't. (5.00 / 7) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:49:29 PM EST
    And that's truly a pity, because we'd rock as a country with me calling the shots. I'd create a U.S. Bureau of Billfishing and put you in charge. And kdog would run the Dept. of Herb and Development.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:53:06 AM EST
    but Bush doesn't even meet those qualifications. Neither of his parents were Spanish speaking, he doesn't have a family history in a hispanic country or anything.

    He's just an idiot.

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    But apparently (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:05:12 AM EST
    And now (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:32:43 AM EST
    LOL he says it was a mistake but apparently he can't even check the right box???

    Yeah, all he's doing the days is proving that being the "smart one" in the Bush family is a pretty low standard to meet.

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    The UVA rape hoax story (none / 0) (#17)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 10:02:07 AM EST

    Even now with the CJR report and Ederly's apology the local news outlet said the story was withdrawn for "flaws."  An uninformed viewer might think the story had inappropriate capitalization, dangling participles, misuse of commas, spelling errors, etc.  

    Ederly could not even manage an apology to the frat house that was vandalized by the mob her pack of BS incited.  

    Like the "hands up don't shoot" lie, some are so despatate to believe that it is impossible to call a spade a spade.

    And no one was fired at Rolling Stone (none / 0) (#35)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:11:34 AM EST
    False accusations just aren't a big deal these days. Instead of vindicating the frat house we're supposed to worry what this will mean for future sexual assault victims.

    If she made up the story shouldn't "Jackie" be punished in some way? Criminal charges? Expelled from school?

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    Why does someone always have to be fired, (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:37:13 AM EST
    when something goes awry? Seems to be a conservative meme, if no one gets fired than everything OK with what when wrong. Why can't an organization admit fault, that things went wrong, then deal with it internally? Why is it so important to you that someone be potentially financially devastated?

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    So there will be incentive not to do it again? (2.00 / 1) (#90)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:00:14 PM EST
    Just a thought

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    Oh yeah (3.00 / 2) (#93)
    by sj on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:05:31 PM EST
    because firing someone is SO instructional. No wonder some people won't admit to mistake. Because, apparently, erring is a firing offense. And probably should be followed with a tar and feathering.

    God but you people love your punishments and public shaming. But really, why stop with firing as a teaching moment? If you really want to teach 'em a lesson let's bring back the stocks!

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    "You people"? (2.00 / 1) (#99)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:25:27 PM EST
    Who are you talking about?

    Not every mistake should be a fire able offense. This one should unless RS doesn't care about their credibility.  

    Perhaps, they're not taking action because it would hurt them in a civil lawsuit?  

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    In this case (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by sj on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:33:49 PM EST
    "you people" are you people who apparently think that depriving someone of his/her livelihood is the best first step at a teaching moment. Instead of, you know, teaching.

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    Good one sj. (none / 0) (#158)
    by fishcamp on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:35:04 PM EST
    When Hunter Thompson ran for sheriff in Aspen, he wanted stocks installed on the court house lawn for drug dealers that sold bad drugs.  He figured one day would be enough.  

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    So you really think (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:02:42 PM EST
    the sh!tstorm of righteous indignation from people like yourself will not be enough?

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    Why would it be enough? (2.00 / 1) (#97)
    by McBain on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:19:57 PM EST
    The author didn't even apologize to the frat.  Sometimes people deserve to be fired over a scandal, sometimes they don't.  In this case the editor, Will Dana should have been fired.  Here's a quote from Dana...

    "We didn't think through all the implications of the decisions that we made while reporting the story, and we never sort of allowed for the fact that maybe the story we were being told was not true,"

    That's not acceptable.  I'm surprised people in TL are supporting Rolling Stone.

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    Why??? (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:20:51 PM EST
    That's not acceptable.  I'm surprised people in TL are supporting Rolling Stone.


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    I'm pretty sure (none / 0) (#46)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:40:03 AM EST
     the author is not an employee but a freelancer. If so, she can't be "fired." I do see Wenner saying he will continue to publish her work:

    In an interview discussing Columbia's findings, Jann S. Wenner, the publisher of Rolling Stone, acknowledged the piece's flaws but said that it represented an isolated and unusual episode and that Ms. Erdely would continue to write for the magazine.  The problems with the article started with its source, Mr. Wenner said. He described her as "a really expert fabulist storyteller" who managed to manipulate the magazine's journalism process. When asked to clarify, he said that he was not trying to blame Jackie, "but obviously there is something here that is untruthful, and something sits at her doorstep."

     I do find that a woefully inadequate response and downright bizarre. Even if we accept that this young college girl is an "expert fabulist storyteller," one might be concerned that Wenner seems to discount the possibility that other equally "expert" fabulists might just be out there.

       Additionally, the  fact the "expert fabulist" was easily and thoroughly discredited by others almost immediately upon publication of the article also seems to suggest that RS might be unusually susceptible to the persuasion of fabulists, a concern for any entity which wishes to be considered a credible organization.

      I think the purported expertise of our young fabulist also has to be viewed in the context of this admission from the author:

      "Erdely admits she set out to find a sexual assault story at an elite school. She looked at lots of other colleges, but none "felt quite right," in the words of a Washington Post media column on the piece. But UVA -- which Erdely would go on to describe in the Rolling Stone article as a school without a thriving "radical feminist culture seeking to upend the patriarchy" -- was just right."
     

       How lucky for Jackie that her expertise allowed her  to fabricate  exactly what an ambitious writer with an agenda sought. It's comforting to know that the author was merely a victim of a teenaged mastermind and devoid of her own fabulist tendencies.

      I have insufficient information with which to form an opinion as to whether anyone on the editorial staff at RS should be fired, but that Wenner states he will continue to publish Erdley is  remarkable.

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    Rolling Stoned (none / 0) (#53)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:02:53 PM EST
    Virginia fraternity chapter says it will sue Rolling Stone

    Good for them. Before this is over a whole lot of people there will be cleaning out their desks.

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    And I Am Sure... (none / 0) (#160)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:53:18 PM EST
    ...you were leading the charge in 'firing' the people who lied us into an unprovoked war.

    Please source your information in which the police accused her of lying to them.  

    Police Chief Timothy J. Longo:

    That doesn't mean something terrible didn't happen to Jackie ... we're just not able to gather sufficient facts to determine what that is.

    You are seriously distorting the facts, as usual.

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    Phi Kapps Psi, UVA Chapter, (none / 0) (#173)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:20:03 PM EST
    intends to "pursue all legal action against the magazine."  Although, the report commissioned by Rolling Stone did find a "journalistic failure," a defamation lawsuit against the chapter, the national fraternity, or individual fraternity chapter members will not be a slam dunk. The article referenced presents a good analysis.  

    Contrary to what many believe, becoming engaged in a legal fight is neither pleasant nor easy.    While differences of legal opinion exist in various instances, it is clear that the University of Virginia itself cannot sue for defamation; as a public institution, it is a government entity, and government cannot sue for defamation.  A settlement may be in the cards.

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    Masha Gessen's New Book (none / 0) (#48)
    by RickyJim on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 11:53:53 AM EST
    "The Brothers: The Road to an American Tragedy" about the Tsarnaev brothers has been getting good reviews  Masha Gessen is also a Russian immigrant to Boston and returned to Russia to research the book.  I'll read it since it has been compared to Lawrence Wright's "Looming Tower" (about 9/11) which I found quite educational.

    Say Hey.... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 01:41:50 PM EST
    It's Opening Day!  And for the first time in 6 years or so, reason for optimism in Flushing for The Metropolitans.  Matt "The Dark Knight" Harvey is back, pitching is deep, best defensive center fielder in baseball...all we gotta do is hit.

    JB...Hope to give you a run for the NL East money this year, but your Nats are uber-stacked!  But my Mets may have the second best starting rotation in baseball after your club.

    Last I checked the hated Yanks were down 5-0, so we're off to an excellent start. Play ball!

    The road to Four starts today . . . :D (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 02:06:23 PM EST
    Here's a great opening-day story about (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 04:03:11 PM EST
    baseball and the law, or something.

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    ... when they were the Montreal Expos.

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    ... affixed to its hull that floats at anchor in Middle Loch at Pearl Harbor, where it's apparently mothballed. Once or twice a year it's floated out to the ocean, and then it's brought back into port after a week or so. You really can't miss it whenever you drive by on the H-1 freeway on the way to and from central and west Oahu, because for the last ten years it's stood out starkly against the skyline like a sore thumb.

    I've always wondered about the backstory of this particular vessel. And thanks to an intrepid local reporter who so happens to work for the Los Angeles Times, along with some equally determined colleagues in Washington, D.C., now we know that the ship should rightfully be called the USS Boondoggle:

    Los Angeles Times | April 5, 2015
    The Pentagon's $10 billion bet gone bad - "Leaders of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency were effusive about the new technology. It was the most powerful radar of its kind in the world, they told Congress. So powerful it could detect a baseball over San Francisco from the other side of the country. If North Korea launched a sneak attack, the Sea-Based X-Band Radar -- SBX for short -- would spot the incoming missiles, track them through space and guide U.S. rocket-interceptors to destroy them. Crucially, the system would be able to distinguish between actual missiles and decoys. SBX 'represents a capability that is unmatched,' the director of the Missile Defense Agency told a Senate subcommittee in 2007. In reality, the giant floating radar has been a $2.2-billion flop, a Los Angeles Times investigation found. Although it can powerfully magnify distant objects, its field of vision is so narrow that it would be of little use against what experts consider the likeliest attack: a stream of missiles interspersed with decoys. SBX was supposed to be operational by 2005. Instead, it spends most of the year mothballed at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii."

    And when you're done with that piece, please read Part II, which explains how "Lawmakers pushed to keep troubled defense programs alive." These are our tax dollars at work -- or more correctly, on a Defense Department binge junket, to the benefit of certain well-placed and -connected contractors.

    Aloha.

    Schumer (none / 0) (#86)
    by lentinel on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:51:56 PM EST
    "Chuck", that is...
    is siding with those who want to fk up the welcome attempt by the Obama White House to get an agreement with Iran.

    It seems that the tentacles of Bibi are long and powerful.

    I have never quite witnessed this kind of intrusion by a foreign power into our domestic politics. Right out in the open, that is.
    Of course we have had ourselves coerced by the Saudis, and others... including (in my opinion) Kuwait...

    But I haven't seen anything like Bibi.

    And I read that Mr. Nadler, also from that liberal bastion, New York, is trembling in his boots and hedging his bets.

    I agree with Obama's formulation that this might be a "once in a lifetime" - opportunity. And it looks to me as if this opportunity, as with just about everything else of merit that this administration has put forth, is to be put in the garbage can.

    omfg (2.00 / 1) (#107)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 07:46:54 PM EST
    teh JOOZ, teh JOOZ

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    What (none / 0) (#113)
    by lentinel on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:48:31 PM EST
    in the world is your point?

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    Or ... The lobbying group, the lobbying group (none / 0) (#114)
    by christinep on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 08:48:46 PM EST
    They can be & are quite different.  On that score, certain lobbying groups & other highly organized interests--from all backgrounds--do use $$$$$ to get the results they seek from politicians in their area.  Demographics in this area, and others, have to be considered ... pragmatically. IMO, that does not equate with anti-Semitism so much as it equates with political realism.

    And, from a pragmatic standpoint, I expect--at this point--that Senator Schumer (as presumptive Democratic leader-in-waiting) will not stiff-arm President Obama nor his former NY colleague, now presumptive future Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in such an important matter.  While I'm not sure of the exact numbers, I recall that any attempted Repub legislation to upend the process could be thwarted by Presidential veto ... and, any possible override would require 7 or more Democratic Senators.

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    Nader, Schumer et al (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 05:55:12 PM EST
    are in CYA mode with the AIPAC crowd.  It's all kabuki.

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    Hannity and Buchanan Debate Iran (none / 0) (#94)
    by RickyJim on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 06:08:22 PM EST
    Never seen anything like this (none / 0) (#129)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 09:38:14 AM EST
     Ouch

    Rand is in! (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 10:58:43 AM EST
    Rand Paul announced he is indeed a candidate for president. Surprise!

    Yes, Randall (Rand) (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:28:09 AM EST
    is in.  Not to be lost in this seismic event, is the announcement that John McCain will run again for his senate seat.  McCain, who will be 80 years old by election day, will be running for his sixth term--but McCain says "that he is just getting started."   Well, good for him.  

    It may seem like five terms would give him some good experience for that sixth one, but, then, he did have some interruptions along the way.  For example, there was that unfortunate "poor judgment" detour stemming from Charlie Keating and the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal and that tangent he took in 2008.

    Lindsey will be happy, but McCain may have some challenges back home--guess it is never so bad that it cannot get worse.  No doubt a Ted Cruz or Tommy Cotton is lurking around Arizona to tackle McCain as not being winger enough, although it will be hard to out-bomb McCain.

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    Gees, I almost hope there is a Tom Cotton (none / 0) (#141)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:36:19 AM EST
    to take out McCain. Maybe that crazy governor will run? McCain is way past his sell-by date. Anything would be better at this point. Some junior Senator at least would not be senior in the who-do-we-bomb-next discussions.

    McCain just can't stand the prospect of losing a microphone. He has nothing he wants to offer the country.

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    I'm waiting for failed CEO Cray Cray Carly (none / 0) (#151)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:18:21 PM EST
    and her 'man-made drought is the fault of environmentalists' to throw her hat in . . .  :D

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    Oh, good lord (none / 0) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:22:01 PM EST
    Talk about someone who hurts women and that would be Carly. She does nothing but justify the beliefs of conservatives that women should not be in postions of leadership. Conservative women have not figured out how to be leaders yet. Probably the ideology and women being leaders just don't jive.

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    Listening to Rand while I make lunch (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 11:48:53 AM EST
    hes very good .  He is a wayyyy better political than his father.

    You're not (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 12:14:31 PM EST
    the only one that I've heard say this but the GOP swiftboaters are lining up to take him out and they've already started shooting at him.

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    President Obama, (none / 0) (#171)
    by lentinel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 01:15:15 PM EST
    in an interview the other day in which he discussed the deal being considered regarding the dismantling of the Iranian nuclear program, mentioned the distrust that exists between our two countries.

    In expanding on the subject, he mentioned that Iran was fkd up with Israel, and with Jews in general. He mention some other things as well - all of them to the detriment of the Iranians.

    He did not choose to mention, although he is presumably aware, that the CIA overthrew their elected government and installed a brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran - until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution.

    From Wikipedia:

    The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, masterminded by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project) and backed by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot').

    Following the coup in 1953, a military government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king), to effectively rule the country as an absolute monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979. In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda. The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government."

    Would it be so goddam hard to acknowledge that some of the mistrust between our two countries is as a result of the brutality of a previous American administration? Would it be so hard to admit that we propped up a brutal dictator in Iran until he was thrown out by the Iranian people - and that this reality could factor in to any mistrust on their side towards us?

    The record you (5.00 / 4) (#202)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 07, 2015 at 02:47:55 PM EST
    cite is foundational to Iranian distrust.  However, it serves no constructive purpose  in the pursuit of this nuclear agreement to detail the history--a history that is well-known to both sides but with different and arguable interpretations.

    American distrust, on the other hand, dovetails with that history adding American insult to Iranian injury: The overthrow of the Shah was soon coupled with his being admitted to the US for medical treatment.  The Iranian response was the seizure of the American Embassy and the taking hostage of 50 Americans including the Charge d' Affaires.

    In a sense, Iran extracted revenge in the subsequent course of American government. The split between the State Department (which eventually solved the issue with diplomacy) and the National Security Council (which prevailed despite the aborted military rescue) resulted in Secretary Vance's resignation and National Security Advisor, Brzezinski's hard line getting President Carter's ear.

    The Soviets took advantage of the situation and invaded Afghanistan--the genesis of future disasters. And, of course, the Iranian hostage crisis influenced the defeat of Carter and the election of Reagan/Bush--transformative but not in a good way.  A legacy for which we continue to pay.  

    The Soviets are gone and the middle east is a different and even more destabilized and dangerous place.  President Obama has worked to provide a saner basis for the future against entrenched war interests. History is important, but its effects are harbored on both sides.  Although it is counter-intutitve, the reality is that war is easy to get into and hard to get out of; peace is hard to get into and easy to get out of.  

    The framework of agreement rightly focuses on  the interconnectedness of nuclear science and political realism.  The alternative is clear: not that elusive "better deal" that some Republican president is unlikely to achieve, but war, that a Republican president is likely to achieve.

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