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ISIS switches to blue prisoner suits in its latest display of multiple "spies" killed in Baghdad.

Lindsay Graham is going to seek the Republican nomination for President.

Prosecutors are trying to keep Sister Helen Prejean ("Dead Man Walking") off the stand in the Tsarnaev trial.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome (except Freddie Gray, please put those in a thread dedicated to that topic.)

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    But why did ISIS switch (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri May 08, 2015 at 02:24:03 PM EST
    to baby blue from orange?  Public opinion polling.  Market research?  Recent review of "Roger and me"?  

    A little color theory (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 03:46:51 PM EST
    Orange Color  Orange

    Orange combines the energy of red and the happiness of yellow. It is associated with joy, sunshine, and the tropics. Orange represents enthusiasm, fascination, happiness, creativity, determination, attraction, success, encouragement, and stimulation.

    To the human eye, orange is a very hot color, so it gives the sensation of heat. Nevertheless, orange is not as aggressive as red. Orange increases oxygen supply to the brain, produces an invigorating effect, and stimulates mental activity. It is highly accepted among young people. As a citrus color, orange is associated with healthy food and stimulates appetite. Orange is the color of fall and harvest. In heraldry, orange is symbolic of strength and endurance.

    Blue Color  Blue

    Blue is the color of the sky and sea. It is often associated with depth and stability. It symbolizes trust, loyalty, wisdom, confidence, intelligence, faith, truth, and heaven.

    Blue is considered beneficial to the mind and body. It slows human metabolism and produces a calming effect. Blue is strongly associated with tranquility and calmness. In heraldry, blue is used to symbolize piety and sincerity.

    You can use blue to promote products and services related to cleanliness (water purification filters, cleaning liquids, vodka), air and sky (airlines, airports, air conditioners), water and sea (sea voyages, mineral water). As opposed to emotionally warm colors like red, orange, and yellow; blue is linked to consciousness and intellect. Use blue to suggest precision when promoting high-tech products.

    As a side note.  Blue looks famously good on video.

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    The last point is what I first thought of (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:02:44 PM EST
    Looks much better in photos or video. Production values seem to matter more than any kind of morality to these psychos.

    Blue is the new orange.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:06:47 PM EST
    i doubt it was a consideration but just to me, it's marginally less painful to my brain to look at that line of blue jumpsuits.  Maybe that's be cause of the horror we have come to associate with those orange jumpsuits.

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    Or... (none / 0) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:22:18 PM EST
    ...they hate Windows 8.

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    Also (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:16:33 PM EST
    interesting bit about the use of the two colors particularly in entertainment


    Orange/Blue Contrast

    We'll start off with a little warning. After you have read this, the color combination will be everywhere you look. It will follow you around, haunting you. Thankfully, for most people this effect fades after a few days.

    --
    Unlike other pairs of complementary colors, fiery orange and cool blue are strongly associated with opposing concepts -- fire and ice, earth and sky, land and sea, day and night, invested humanism vs. elegant indifference, good old fashioned explosions vs. futuristic science stuff. It's a trope because it's used on purpose, and it does something. Especially in theater orange and blue are sometimes referred to as amber and teal in this context.



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    Easier to hide ... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 08, 2015 at 05:05:30 PM EST
    all the green-screen work in those vids.

    ;)

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    Home and Away (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 08, 2015 at 05:14:02 PM EST
    From my wilderness rescue days (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by MKS on Sat May 09, 2015 at 11:40:06 AM EST
    That color blue stands out more, and is more visible, than any other color on land.  You can see that color from a long ways away.

    That color blue is harder to hide.  Thus, many wilderness types wear that color blue to make it easier to see them.

    Orange and red can blend in with earth tones.....blue does not.

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    MKS, that is a high information content post (none / 0) (#43)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:45:27 PM EST
    I had no idea.  Makes one wonder if blue isn't what hunters should wear instead of orange during the fall hunting seasons.  But noooo, orange it is.

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    It seems counter intutitive (none / 0) (#44)
    by MKS on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:49:59 PM EST
    But take a look through binoculars and anything blue stands out when looking at a mountain, desert, forest.

    But we are so conditioned to orange.  And the deer hunt, during the Fall, when the leaves are....orange, yellow and red....yep, those orange vests are just perfect.

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    They changed suppliers? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:29:43 AM EST
    They emptied the prison supply distributor and moved on to raiding a hospital supply house.  Not as much message in the message, but at this point, they're way past nuance.

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    This shade of blue in that part of the (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:35:56 PM EST
    World represents immorality.  It is a darker blue than baby blue.  It is a darker shade than what is used on Mosques.

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    And, blue is the color of the Virgin Mary (none / 0) (#45)
    by MKS on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:51:27 PM EST
    It is a mystery why they are using blue now...

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    I'm pretty sure they are saying it is (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:16:51 PM EST
    Immoral to spy for enemies of "the caliphate".

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    And because they have a lot of spies (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:18:03 PM EST
    Now, they must make clear examples.

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    I figured they found some crates (none / 0) (#89)
    by BarnBabe on Sun May 10, 2015 at 11:41:32 PM EST
    You know how it is. You are plundering a town and to your surprise when you open a crate of jumpsuits that were suppose to be orange, you find blue ones. And they look good in the video, etc.

    Not to make light of the situation because you know the outcome of the people in blue. You see these fellow humans and you are helpless to save them. It reminded me of the NAZI doing the same thing in watching the 70 year old pictures on History2 the other night. They are in black and white and it just breaks your heart to know how cruel people can be to other people. I hope they get theirs soon.

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    Although I'm not pleased with ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 08, 2015 at 05:07:59 PM EST
    the results of the UK election.

    I took a perverse pleasure in the fact that Nate Silver was just another pollster who got it wrong.

    As Rick Perry would say:

    "Oops."

    "We cannot now be ignored." (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 09, 2015 at 06:36:05 PM EST
    SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon speaks; England would do well to listen:

    The Guardian | May 9, 2015
    We, the Scottish people, cannot now be ignored - "Scotland as a whole may not have voted Yes to independence last September, but there is no doubt that the bitter, negative and hectoring tone of the No campaign and its constituent unionist parties was deeply resented by very many Scots. [...] I said before the election that being the largest party in England could not be the only test of legitimacy for a Westminster government and that greater legitimacy would always attach to building a majority from across the whole of the UK. [...] That makes it all the more essential that the new Westminster government listens to the Scottish people. I made clear before the election that, regardless of how many SNP MPs were elected, it would not be a mandate for independence or for a further referendum, and I stand by that. [...] For now, what is required is a relationship of mutual respect and cooperation between governments in Edinburgh and London. [...] There are huge issues and challenges ahead - not least the looming question of the UK and Scotland's place in Europe."

    Prime Minister Cameron should take due heed of Ms. Sturgeon's remarks, for she is clearly a woman of genuine substance. And as the SNP leader, were she to take her liberal populist message south of the border in an alliance with a now-chastened Labour Party, she could offer a new liberal coalition that would pose a genuine threat to the Conservative government in Westminster.

    Aloha.

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    The Labour Party in (none / 0) (#78)
    by Zorba on Sun May 10, 2015 at 04:29:43 PM EST
    Great Britain hasn't really been a true "labour" party in quite awhile.  I agree that Nicola Sturgeon could well have a golden opportunity to make an alliance south of the Scottish border with the Labour Party, assuming the Labour Party is willing to get off of its dead @ss and rediscover its roots.
    And if not, I'm betting that Sturgeon might, if she and the SNP are willing, gather support from enough former-Labour-supporting Brits in England proper that they would shift to a more liberal-populist party.

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    Much of the SNP membership ... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 10, 2015 at 07:07:56 PM EST
    ... is committed to the achievement of Scotland's independence, and most of them probably want nothing to do with Labour, which has heretofore been the SNP's primary opposition in Scottish domestic politics. It'll take a lot of work on Ms. Sturgeon's part to convince them otherwise, and instead pursue an alternative path of greater opportunity that's entirely inclusive of other disenchanted and disaffected citizens throughout the entire United Kingdom.

    If she tries to ride roughshod over her fellow SNPers, she'd be courting the political fate of the late former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who dominated the opposing political parties in Parliament for a dozen years, yet inexplicably failed to watch her back within her own Conservative Party and was brought down by an internal revolt led by John Major.

    So even in this hour of triumph, Sturgeon will have to tread carefully and not get enveloped by the SNP's own dust cloud.

    Aloha.

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    Yes, he most certainly did. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:29:20 PM EST
    But to be fair, there was a truly shocking amount of pure vitriole and venom being directed by Conservatives throughout England at Labour Party leader Ed Miliband and Scottish National Party leader Nicola Sturgeon during the final run-up to yesterday's election, particularly from the Conservative mouthpieces in the Fleet Street media.

    I mean, if we think Rupert Murdoch's media shills are bad on the west side of the Atlantic, well, their work product (such as it is) is remarkably tame compared to the crazed bombast emanating from their News Corp. counterparts in the Mother Country. The pure crap that was being flung at the liberal opposition by them these past few weeks was both ugly and intensive.

    I can't help but think that the sudden swing toward the Conservatives by the British electorate was in large part due to the purposeful stoking of English xenophobia in the campaign's home stretch by Murdoch's minions and their conservative allies on Fleet Street.

    We all like to say that we're disgusted by such deplorable tactics and that it wouldn't affect how we vote, but the sad fact of the matter is that such tactics do work and that it does alter our personal perceptions of a campaign's intended target(s). Frank Luntz wouldn't presently be gloating once again if it didn't.

    Parliamentary elections in places like Britain, Canada and India are quite often coattail elections, in that the people vote for the party (and thus, the party leader) and not for the individual legislative candidates standing for MP in their respective districts.

    So even if individual English voters happened to like the local Labour candidate personally, if they were soured on Ed Miliband for whatever reason, they weren't going to cast a ballot for "Red Ed" the "class war zealot" and Labour in any event -- particularly if it meant a coalition government between Labour and those ungrateful Scots.

    The Conservatives waged a relentless scorched-earth campaign of personal destruction against the Conservative Party's adversaries in Labour and the SNP which very likely succeeded, at least south of the Scottish border. To that effect, we should note that while Prime Minister David Cameron and the Conservatives did garner a decisive victory yesterday, they did so on the strength of English votes alone.

    As such, the PM and Conservatives now preside over a United Kingdom that has become markedly polarized between England and Scotland thanks to the efforts, to an extent probably not seen since the collapse of the Jacobite uprising in 1745, following the Battle of Culloden and subsequent flight to France of the Young Pretender to the Scottish throne, Charles Edward Stuart, aka "Bonnie Prince Charlie."

    Because as the electoral efforts of Mr. Miliband and Labour collapsed throughout Britain, Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish nationalists were consolidating political support amongst their own people at Labour's expense, winning 56 of Scotland's 59 seats in Westminster.

    And as British voters saw for themselves, nobody better articulates longstanding Scottish grievances and resentments toward London than does Ms. Sturgeon, who pretty much schooled both Mr. Cameron and Mr. Miliband during the one televised campaign debate in which she shared the stage with them.

    As a result, Ms. Sturgeon and the SNP surged at the polls in Scotland and now enjoy rock-solid support amongst Scots age 50 and younger, who abandoned Labour wholesale by a wide margin and now support at least the concept of full Scottish independence from the United Kingdom. Their elders, who by and large opposed the Scottish referendum on independence held last fall, have been neutralized and silenced, if not newly converted to the nationalist faithful themselves.

    Labour leader Miliband and Liberal Democratic leader Nick Clegg have both resigned their respective party positions in the wake of yesterday's Conservative triumph. How deftly Prime Minister Cameron moves to mitigate the current raw feelings across Britain, particularly in an angry Scotland, may well determine whether the United Kingdom can maintain its status or will eventually dissolve into individual rump and squabbling states.

    Aloha.

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    Another perspective, from another talkboard (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:23:18 AM EST
    Well you can certainly get some of them to vote UKIP. That's not that useful though.

    See, that's the kind of attitude that doesn't help.

    With Labour it's all about policy wonks from Oxford sitting in rooms discussing what the problem with them is and why they don't vote, or don't vote Labour, or vote the wrong way. And what messaging will help attract that 2% which might put them over 35%.

    Politics, if it is to work, needs to be about people being properly engaged from a grassroots level. And that means local people talking about what their problems are together, organising, campaigning and those campaigns feeding into a higher level politics.

    That's what Labour should be all about but it isn't anymore. It's as demonising, patronising and exclusive to those people as the Tories are.

    Response:

    Actually if Labour hadn't spent 3 years demonising Scotland they could have learned a lot from the referendum and what was happening at grassroots level up here.

    Response:
    Oh, bollocks. Do you think people with zero hours jobs have time to f**k about on talkboard all day arguing about policy details? You aren't going to engage busy people with a load of tinkering, and that's all mainstream politics has to offer. Your lot and UKIP have very simple, emotive narratives that anyone can take a view on.


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    That a great thread. (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 09, 2015 at 05:55:00 PM EST
    This particular post cuts to the heart of the matter:

    "It's up to Labour to go out there and challenge those false narratives - that's what leadership is about. In the Labour heartlands in Scotland, Labour lost to the one party that was fighting on an anti-austerity, anti-Trident, pro-immigration, genuinely left wing platform. And that argument gained a lot of support in England, even though Nicola Sturgeon was only on TV twice there! But instead of taking lessons from that, Labour supporters are again falling for the false narrative that somehow it's all about nationalism up here: it isn't." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Aloha.

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    Russell Brand weighs in (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:54:58 PM EST
    throws in the cliche and swears off politics.

    One of the most divisive highlights of the election campaign was Brand's interview with a fired-up Labour leader at the comic-turned-political activist's home in north London.

    However his video didn't go down too well with everyone as it came the day after voter registration closed- after Brand had previously told people not to vote.

    "There was a moment where I felt like old media doesn't have the same power as it used to, people don't listen to the front pages of the Sun or the Mail - these things seem kind of ridiculous but evidently that is not the case," Brand said.

    "Evidently the old media, the establishment, is a powerful thing. David Cameron is the prime minister of this country with more seats than before. After all the things that have been happening for the last five years the result is `let's keep that guy in charge'."

    "We are going to have no shortage of meanness over the next five years. There is going to be meanness to the disabled, meanness to immigrants, there is going to be meanness to the poor, so all we've got left is to be compassionate to one another and get involved in causes we care about."

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    I admire Russell Brand's passion. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 09, 2015 at 01:31:20 PM EST
    That said, he's hardly the second coming of Al Franken. The key to success in politics is one's consistency of purpose and willingness to stay engaged over the long haul. If Brand's just going to grab his ball and stomp on back home, simply because his side didn't win this time and / or he didn't get his way, then what good is he, really?

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    Let's face it, Donald (none / 0) (#77)
    by Zorba on Sun May 10, 2015 at 04:11:51 PM EST
    Al Franken isn't even the second coming of Al Franken.

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    He was the only one on Capitol Hill to consistently highlight and oppose the threat to the public domain posed by the likes of Comcast and Time Warner, and he was absolutely right in noting the it was "the First Amendment issue of our times." And he won, which means that the American consumer won.

    As far as his effectiveness on other issues, I'd note that a bill Sen. Franken introduced in Sept. 2009, which required at least 90% of health insurance premiums to be spent on claims and improving the quality of care, was incorporated into the Affordable Care Act, albeit at a slightly lower percentage. Also included in that measure was his provision which authorized a national diabetes prevention program.

    Franken authored two specific provisions in the 2013 reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, one which prohibits law enforcement agencies and hospitals from charging victims of sexual assault for the cost of their own rape kits, and another that prevents housing discrimination against victims of domestic violence.

    In 2013, Franken co-wrote the energy section of the farm bill, and further ensured that $55 million in federal funding was provided for mental health services in our public schools. And this past year, his provisions to engage community and technical colleges in workforce development were included in a 2014 appropriations bill that was signed into law by President Obama.

    So, let's not correlate Al Franken's overall effectiveness as a U.S. senator with his disinclination to storm to the front of the line to hog the mikes and mug for the TV cameras, as is the unfortunate propensity of so many of his congressional colleagues. (I'm looking at you, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, &etc.)

    Personally, I find it refreshing to see a federal legislator who actually does his work and isn't a self-promoting blowhard. I'd offer that Sen. Franken is following the example set by his late friend and liberal predecessor, Paul Wellstone, who built relationships and quietly worked in Congress on behalf of his constituents.

    And that's why, despite prognostications in the Beltway media that he was one of the most vulnerable Democrats on Capitol Hill, Minnesotans re-elected Al Franken to the Senate last November by a more than decisive margin.

    Aloha.

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    A public school or school district (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Peter G on Sat May 09, 2015 at 11:23:32 AM EST
    in my opinion, should not be allowed, under the First Amendment, to police the out-of-school speech of its students. (In school, their power is/should be limited to protecting against substantial disruption to the educational function of the school, and then only on a content-neutral basis.) The lower courts are divided on this problem, however, and the Supreme Court has not resolved it.

    More of this, please (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 09, 2015 at 12:11:07 PM EST
     Sherrod Brown's statement following President Obama's speech at a Nike:

    "American workers have seen the effects of unfair foreign trade on their jobs and manufacturing facilities - they don't need their elected leaders making personal attacks on each other during an important policy debate.

    "During the 2008 presidential primary, I watched President Obama argue in Cleveland that we should renegotiate NAFTA. Instead, we've seen more empty promises of jobs through exports while American workers are hit with a flood of imports and jobs shipped overseas. It's clear that the American public doesn't support these trade deals and I am disappointed the president has resorted to name calling in an attempt to shift the debate.

    "If the President wants to have a real debate, he should release the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and let the public and press review it before Congress grants fast track authority for him to rush it through."

    ‎The Obama Administration predicted that the South Korea Free Trade Agreement would create 70,000 jobs and deliver up to $11 billion in exports. Instead, it only increased U.S. exports to Korea by $1 billion, while Korean imports have skyrocketed to more than $12 billion. The growing good trade deficit with Korea has eliminated over 75,000 jobs in the last three years.

    The U.S. already has a trade deficit with Japan and 10 other countries included in the TPP. Since 1997, the deficit with these countries has increased by $151.4 billion. link




    Staging the speech at Nike, of all places, (none / 0) (#68)
    by Mr Natural on Sun May 10, 2015 at 06:45:01 AM EST
    which imports 100% of its stuff, and repeating Nike's vague (truthy? emptyish?) promises to try to relocate manufacturing here, was just plain idiotic.

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    Wackos are the new Mainstream (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 10, 2015 at 03:56:35 PM EST
    Republicans, as noted by right-wing conservative George Will.  After detailing the antics of the former preacher and present contender for the Republican presidential nomination, Will concludes: " For many voters, a party is largely defined by the behavior of its presidential candidates. For Republicans worried about broadening their party's appeal, there is one word for Huckabee's stances--Appalling."

    But, Huckabee is not the lone ranger--he is but one of a party  of mad hatters who see themselves as presidential timber.  There is Carly Fiorina, which raises the fundamental question, why?

    And, then, there is the odious Ted Cruz who is concerned,  about Jude Helm 15 urging Texans to recall Dwight Eisenhower (telling Texans to look him up) who is now rolling in his five-star grave.

    Of course, Rand Paul is also "looking into" that "invasion "of Texas, presumably with scrutiny of those Walmart tunnels.  And, then there is Ben Carson, the brain surgeon who flatlined on his own tax plan just as he was pivoting off his pronouncement that Obamacare is worse than 9/ll and worse than slavery.

    For the remainder of the Republican extremist right stable, George Will can provide his candidate assessment based on his baseball expertise as being "out of left field."

    Agreed. (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 11, 2015 at 10:33:32 AM EST
    Jeb continues the Bush foreign policy (Daddy and W); mostly the same advisors (Paul Wolfowitz? really?) and publicly acknowledges that his brother is his most influential advisor.  His foreign policy is to resuscitate, what he must feel, is the way of the future--when in doubt invade.   Jeb has, in my view,  no redeeming features--his domestic ideas are in the same league.  

    Hillary Clinton on crime (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Anne on Mon May 11, 2015 at 10:51:08 AM EST
    Read this just this morning and found it informative; this seems to quite accurately sum things up:

    She was for reform before she was against it before she was for it.

    [...]

    It is the story of a Barry Goldwater supporter who became a fighter for prisoners on death row who became a tough-on-crime First Lady who became a senator with a very mixed record who is now embracing the language of reform without yet offering much in the way of concrete proposals - apart from a largely uncontroversial suggestion that all police officers be equipped with body cameras.

    So...does anyone really know what Hillary is for or against?

    Does It Matter ? (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 11, 2015 at 05:19:33 PM EST
    She campaigning on it, so presumably her pen is for it.  

    But I think with this particular topic, that views before mass incarceration for a lot of people changed after we locked up way too many people for too little reason.

    I don't think Hillary is alone on this one, I think a lot of politicians that were for locking more people up in the 80/90's no longer hold that view now that we have actual data and not predictions.

    I also think you can be against the DP while being tough on crime.  It's one think to want people punished it's quit another to want them dead.

    Plus we had Reagan scaring the hell out of everyone, telling the whole country drugs were the evilest of evil things, that you should call the cops on your neighbors, friends, and even parents because drugs were the scourge of the US.  Now we realize that that isn't so, that the pot smoker down the street isn't going to gut you for some weed or that you won't die from taking one drag.

    I just think that the views she holds are probably very similar to a lot of people, hard on crime back then, now realizing that locking people up was not the solution.

    I am warming up to HRC, not totally, but this issue especially it's good to see someone evolve with the times, and not act like if they could do it all over they would invade Iraq without hesitation.  Acknowledging errors in judgement is something to be admired from time to time, not trotted out as some version of flip/flopping.

    My opinion.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#97)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 11, 2015 at 02:52:21 PM EST
    She's for a Democratic nominee in the White House and against a Republican nominee in the White House.

    And I agree with her.

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    But, she only (none / 0) (#98)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 11, 2015 at 03:22:44 PM EST
    has 500 days left to clarify her position.

    And, where are the detailed reports spelling out her positions on crime, the environment, space travel, education, income inequality, race relations, immigration, pay inequality, the nation's infrastructure...............

    You can only dodge'm for so long, Hil.

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    Yup (none / 0) (#99)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 11, 2015 at 03:37:50 PM EST
    only 547 days, 6 primary debates, and likely another 4 Presidential debates.

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    If it ducks like a quack..... (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 03:39:07 PM EST
    GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has said some remarkably idiotic things over the past several years, but this is mind bending.

    Yesterday, CNN's Jake Tapper asked Huckabee about the propriety of "renting" his email list to an advertiser peddling a "cancer cure" hidden in the bible (as reported in The New York Times earlier this year). He responded:

    My gosh, that's like saying, `You run some ads on CNN. Do you personally agree with all the ads that run on CNN?'

    I doubt you do. I'm sure there are some for maybe, I don't know, catheters or adult diapers. They're not products that you use or that you necessarily believe in. I don't hold you responsible for that, and in that same way I don't think that people that understand how advertising works would hold me responsible for something that I didn't personally sign up for or endorse.



    Lucky he's running for President... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:32:32 AM EST
    Nobody holds a president responsible for every little consequence and implication of his decisions either.

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    It's not universal (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Repack Rider on Sat May 09, 2015 at 06:51:49 PM EST
    This level of forgiveness only applies to GOP presidents.

    Invade Iraq, kill 100,000 (or so) waste $2T, no WMD, but be a Republican, take a mulligan.

    Have nothing to do with the assault on the Benghazi consulate but be a Democrat, expect years of hearings.

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    no (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:02:06 PM EST
    Senator Lindsey, (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 09, 2015 at 11:42:25 AM EST
    is not only a hawk"s hawk, but an alarmist's alarmist.   ISIS, for example, is not just a "terra" but a movement worse than the Nazi's.  ISIS is coming here to kill us all.   That sums up his foreign policy. As for his domestic policy: a mint julep in every pot.   Graham/McCain 2016--bombs away.

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    This was never taught in public (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri May 08, 2015 at 05:15:20 PM EST
    school!

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    Andrew Jackson (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 05:31:58 PM EST
    allegedly referred to them as "Miss Nancy" and "Aunt Fancy"

    That's even better than Kenyan Socialist.

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    Oh, funny. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:56:49 PM EST
    I went to Hillary's facebook page and there are tea party nuts posting that they don't want another communist/socialist running the country.

    These people are going to make sure that the GOP loses in 2016. And they're also the ones that are going to be picking the GOP nominee.

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    I don't know, Cap'n. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 08, 2015 at 10:49:31 PM EST
    I find President Jackson's likely characterization of James Buchanan and Rufus King to be both crude and menacing, given that this was also the guy who set in motion the "Trail of Tears" -- the forced removal of Cherokee, Choctaw, Seminole and other Native American tribes then residing in the American southeast.

    Despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the Cherokees' favor when they challenged Jackson's authority to deport them from their own homes, he sent the military in anyway. 25% of Cherokees lost their lives during the move to "Indian Territory," now Oklahoma.

    Personally, I think Jackson might well have preferred to simply shoot both "Miss Nancy" and "Aunt Fancy" for their misperceived deviancy as look at them, had he thought he could get away with it.

    For that and the other reasons cited above, not to mention that Jackson was the guy who detested the notion of a federal currency and abolished the Bank of the United States by vetoing Congress' bill re-chartering the institution, I support the current movement to have his likeness on the $20 bill replaced with a woman who better represents the concept of an inclusive and more tolerant country which seeks to live up to its stated ideals, than what actually existed during Jackson's era.

    Aloha.

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    Who knows (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 13, 2015 at 09:30:26 AM EST
    not me.  But apparently that name, Aunt Fancy, was used by Buchanan himself was a fairly common term of endearment.  Perhaps the Miss Nancy part is Jacksons own contribution.

    I was surprised to read about how open Buchanan seemed to be about it.   It seems pretty much everyone  in the know, knew.

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    The discussion of ethnocentrism (none / 0) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 10:04:03 AM EST
    in a chronological form was interesting.

    So was Buchanan's letter to Mrs. Roosevelt. People had trusted friends then, before the internet.  What a concept.

    Buchanan, according to Wikipedia, was the last former Secretary of State to become President.

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    What the ....? (none / 0) (#14)
    by lentinel on Fri May 08, 2015 at 06:44:32 PM EST
    I was watching a tv show called "Louie", written and directed by comedian Louis C.K.

    The episode that I am referencing here is one in which Louis has presented a scene which is meant to depict a flashback of a chat between his father and himself as a child about sex.

    It is graphic. The dialogue includes phrases about "putting it in", etc. I won't go into detail. But the "father" does. And then he makes the child actor, who looks to be about eight or nine years old, repeat the dialogue.

    To me, it felt like some kind of child pornography. There is no way that the nine year old actor could truly feel the dialogue he was given to say.

    I can only wonder what it felt like to him to be given those lines to listen to and repeat.

    And, unless I am way off the mark, and it is but harmless entertainment, I wonder that this went unnoticed and did not cause any kind of storm of protest.

    Louis has 2 kids (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:08:09 PM EST
    His kids and kids in general are often subjects in his show and his standup.  Both of which I personally love.

    If that thing is the most controversial kid related Louis thing you are aware of
    you should probably sit down.

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    After watching the embedded link (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:20:58 PM EST
    in the Salon article to The Louis K. clip I asked myself, why are these people laughing?

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    Because it's funny (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:24:41 PM EST
    would be my guess.

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    Did you think that clip was (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:35:48 PM EST
    funny?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:39:48 PM EST
    i do.  I think Louis may be the best comic alive today actually.

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    A classic (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:46:01 PM EST
    recently shared by our friend kdog

    A child molestor is walking down a dark road child in hand.

    This is really scary, the child says.

    You think it's scary, I'm the one who has to walk back alone.

    Is that funny?  You probably know what I think.

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    Yep. A sick joke, and funny. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 09, 2015 at 10:32:23 AM EST
    Do you remember the PlayDead issue of National Lampoon?  "If you don't buy this magazine we'll shoot this dog"

    My car radio stays tuned to XM's Raw Dog comedy.  Louis Black, Dave Attell, Doug Stanhope, Alonzo Bodin, Aziz Ansara, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, the list goes on.  Dead comics live forever on XM, Pryor, Foxx, Carlin, Hedberg, pre-meltdown Kinison

    Speaking of which, somebody's planning to run holograms of dead comedians in an Lake Chataqua (New York) comedy club.


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    Black humor is definitely not for everyone. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 09, 2015 at 02:34:47 PM EST
    As long as the humor is not being expressed in a way that's obviously malicious, spiteful or mean-spirited at heart, then it's anything goes as far as I'm concerned.

    I absolutely love John Waters' film Serial Mom, which to be perfectly honest is a long sick joke on steroids, but totally hysterical nonetheless in my estimation.

    But were lentinel and oculus to watch that movie upon my recommendation, I've no doubt that afterward, both of them would probably think that I'd to have rocks for brains if I like that sort of stuff.

    And that's perfectly okay. Because when it comes to humor, I do, and I do.

    ;-D

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    Whether (none / 0) (#62)
    by lentinel on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:49:57 PM EST
    or not you think "Serial Mom", or that "sort of stuff" is hysterical has nothing whatever to do with whether you think that Louis CK's giving a nine or ten year old actor lines to recite about fking might constitute child abuse or pediphilia.

    This subject is either or no interest to you, or is one that you choose to avoid by misdirection.

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    ... and Capt. Howdy regarding the general subject of black humor and people's tastes, and wasn't addressing your remarkably silly conjecture about whether or not Louis CK should be charged with child abuse or -- in a rather insane stretch of a fevered imagination, even for you -- pedophilia.

    But since you've now provoked me enough to answer your ridiculous and Nanny State-worthy contentions, the 10-year-old in question was not working as a gaffer for Vivid Video on a shoot in Reseda, CA (aka "Tierra del P0rno"), nor is he some kid in a playground who was solicited indecently by a random stranger.

    Rather, that boy is a professional actor who was hired by the show's producers to do a legitimate job. They were filming in front of the cast and crew, and he was probably accompanied by a parent as well. If the parents signed off on the script, what's it to you?

    I'm not expecting you to acknowledge the difference here, because having read what you've written about the subject above, it's pretty apparent to me that you're really not interested in even understanding it. Because once again, this is all about you and your self-perceived moral superiority, and Louis CK is just your latest rhetorical prop used to hoist it on display for all to see.

    Given the nonsensical standards you're espousing, had TalkLeft existed back in the mid-1950s, you'd have likely wondered aloud here why James Mason wasn't being arrested for starring in Lolita, sexually obsessed as his character was with his own teenaged stepdaughter.

    You know, it's perfectly fine by me if you don't like Louis CK's shtick, which once included him hitting on then-78-year-old Joan Rivers, in a memorable scene where she accuses him of necrophilia for even suggesting it -- before accepting his proposition by winking and telling him to shut the door to her dressing room.

    As I noted, we all have different ideas about what constitutes humor and comedy, and that's okay, too. And you hardly need permission from me or anyone else here to change the channel and watch something else, if you don't like what you're seeing.

    In the meantime, please get a grip and lighten up on the issuance of moral approbations, lest you wish to be somehow mistaken for a charter member of the old National Legion of Decency.

    Good night.

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    No offense (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:38:53 PM EST
    but you and lintinel are not really FXs target audience.   And, again no offense, but honestly that predictable response is one of the reasons it's funny.
    Btw
    I know from previous discussions here I am not the only Louis fan here.

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    The child molester joke was funny. (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri May 08, 2015 at 09:32:36 PM EST
    The 1'st amendment is absolute. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by NYShooter on Sat May 09, 2015 at 04:38:56 PM EST
    And, thank goodness for that.

    And, since we also have a Capitalist economic system performers will seek, and exploit every nook and corner of our society if there's an audience willing to pay for their niche brand of "humor.".

    However, claiming performer "A" IS funny, is, factually, incorrect. It's a question of taste, There are probably more people who believe Picasso's paintings are garbage than believe them to be masterpieces.

    Saying, "I" like this performer's style of humor, or "I" find this joke to be funny is the accurate way to say it.

    Not a great many people would say that Howard Stern's "joke" that:

     "the closest I ever came to having sex with a black woman was when I masturbated on a box of Aunt Jemima's pancake mix,"

     IS funny. Yet, he's made many millions of dollars finding that segment of our society that claims to find it funny, and is willing to pay for it.

    Don Rickles became hugely famous by finding an, obviously, grossly overweight (usually a) woman in the audience, then humiliating, embarrassing, and mocking her for the enjoyment of the audience. Everyone laughed heartily....except the woman targeted. I would imagine many of his targets never quite recovered from the humiliation of being his " very funny" accomplice.

    Performers, be they singers, magicians, or comedians are at the mercy of subjective analysis. Some people love a particular singer, others hate him. Is he a "good" singer, or a lousy one?

     

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    I don't comedians should be censored. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by oculus on Sat May 09, 2015 at 05:52:06 PM EST
    I do watch it, though my hit/miss ratio (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:57:23 PM EST
    is about 50/50.  I thought the episode a couple of weeks ago with his friend the cop was fantastic.

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    As often happens, (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Sat May 09, 2015 at 06:44:25 AM EST
    the subject of a post gets lost as we shuffle down an entirely different road.

    My submission above involved a show in which a child, a young boy, was made to say lines about placing a penis in a vagina, slowly, arousing the woman but not satisfying her until she screamed for completion.

    The lines were not only graphic, but in my opinion, sadistic.

    I questioned whether making this young actor, looking to be nine or ten years old, recite these lines, constituted some kind of child pornography - or child abuse, or even pediphilia.

    The discussion was immediately diverted to whether Louis is a funny comedian, and to how many people may or may not think so... or to the fact that he a father...or whether I should be watching the show.

    I had seen this kind of thing before - from Larry David of all people - having a mother in one of the episodes - refer to her young daughter's (about 10 years old) "pus-y".

    As with Louis above, the issue that I wanted to discuss is not whether Larry is funny, or Louis is funny, or whether they have children in real life, but whether it is appropriate to have young children either on the set when graphic sex is being described, or, as in the case of "Louis" above, whether it constitutes some kind of abuse to have a child actor repeat lines about sexual intercourse and teasing constitutes some kind of abuse.

    I, personally, do. I wouldn't do it.

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    That is a show on a major cable network (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:50:25 PM EST
    subject to all of the child labor laws. I am quite sure it is not illegal or considered child pornography.

    Questionable taste, I grant you.

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    I know. It's not illegal. (none / 0) (#72)
    by lentinel on Sun May 10, 2015 at 11:26:07 AM EST
    I just was wondering how it felt to the young actor to recite those lines.

    And what the adults got out of having him say those lines.

    And what adults get out of hearing him say those lines.

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    Remember the first Kick Ass though (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 10, 2015 at 05:15:44 PM EST
    And the then child actress Chloe Grace and some of her lines and bloodshed?  It was way over the childhood top too and she shrugged off all of our concerns.

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    A Casual Vacancy (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:11:00 PM EST
    anyone watch this?  Three part BBC/HBO series based on J.K.Rowling.
    I just watched the first hour.  I'm surprised how much I liked it.  Not what I expected.

    Not yet but I finally got to check out (none / 0) (#17)
    by McBain on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:14:58 PM EST
    "The Comedians".  I'm not sure what I was expecting but it exceeded those expectations.  I usually don't like getting-stoned-humor but the grocery store scene was hilarious.

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    Yes, I saw it last weekend (none / 0) (#64)
    by ruffian on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:54:17 PM EST
    They did a good job - was wondering how well the book would translate to screen. Michael Gambon and Julia McKenzie were perfect.  

    The book was very good - Rowling is just a dang good writer, whatever the genre. I also like the detective stories she wrote under the pseudonym Richard Galbraith.

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    Movies (none / 0) (#19)
    by McBain on Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:22:54 PM EST
    I finally got around to see a couple Oscar nominated films....

    The Imitation Game:  I thought it was a solid film and worthy of the nomination. Cumberbatch was great. I really didn't know much about the subject.  What a shame how Turing's life ended. He was a hero.

    Birdman:  Mixed feelings on this one.  A friend told me it's a film you need to see in a theater because the long takes, especially the opening scene, don't work as well on a smaller screen.  He might be right, because I found the camera work and music irritating. Still, the acting was great and I liked the ending.

    Thinking about seeing The Theory of Everything this weekend but I feel I've seen that kind of film many times.  

    re student free speech (none / 0) (#29)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri May 08, 2015 at 11:48:57 PM EST
    In Mount Si high school, some of the students have had or participated in a hot or not "contest" in which they rate others.  The district is now threatening with expulsion or refusing to allow graduation of students who participate.  

    The news was in komonews and kirotv . . . Do you folks regard the threats as constitutionally sound?

    It seems to me to be a suppression of speech and I don't see it being justified by a substantial threat to school discipline.

    thanks!

    It sounds like another form of bullying (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 09, 2015 at 08:53:51 AM EST
    to me and I find the school's actions appropriate IF it happened on school property or during school hours. Otherwise, it is up to the parents to teach the kids how wrong their actions are.

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    It's a Facebook account (none / 0) (#32)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:04:24 AM EST
    Rating the girls who go to school there

    SNOQUALMIE, Wash. - Mount Si High School is trying to shut down a website in which male students rank girls in a hot-or-not contest.

    Known as "May Madness," it's a bracket system similar to college basketball's March Madness in which female students are pitted against one another and rated on their attractiveness.

    Snoqualmie Valley School District spokeswoman Carolyn Malcolm says the contest is on a Facebook site that is private, so only those who are invited can see it. A group of girls upset about the site brought it to the attention of school officials, she said.

    "The school has really been trying to work to shut it down as soon as possible," Malcolm said. "But the challenge is, it's created on social media and the student who created it is using a false identity - a name that does not attend our school - and it's a private site, so only those who are invited have access to see it. So the school can't see it - we're really relying on students to let us know what's happening."

    As part of its crackdown, the school district has sent letters to the parents of certain boys who may have been invited to join or are participating in the practice.

    The notice tells parents that if their son is continuing to participate after Friday, they could find themselves not participating in athletics, prom or even graduation ceremonies.

    "The school district is really appealing to parents to monitor their students' social media and have conversations with them about how this is a disrespectful activity, and encouraging them to delete the invite and block the sender," Malcolm said. "It really takes the community and the involvement of the parents doing what they can."

    After the Bong hits for Jesus Supreme Court ruling, I don't have a problem with this, as it falls under that decision.

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    re bong hits for Jesus (none / 0) (#105)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed May 13, 2015 at 10:41:20 PM EST
    In the case of bong hits for Jesus, a student was suspended for sign promoting illegal drug use.  this is not comparable.

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    You're right, Jim, it's a form of bullying. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 10, 2015 at 12:13:48 AM EST
    And further, since this really does involve the school, by virtue of this being a questionable online activity that's exclusive to the student body at Mt. Si HS, school administrators and district officials actually have an obligation to do what they can to see that it's stopped.

    I agree with you that some Mt. Si parents really need to step up here, and provide their not-quite-adult sons with some timely, candid and heartfelt guidance regarding what constitutes inappropriate social behavior, particularly with regard to women.

    In that respect, the school's steps to curtail this nonsense both complement and encourage that effort, by putting everyone on official notice that certain anti-social activities can trigger some adverse consequences for those students who continue to engage in them.

    Aloha.

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    This thread has crossed the line (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mr Natural on Wed May 13, 2015 at 06:44:16 AM EST
    into bizarro denial of reality land.

    What are these kidiots doing?  

    Exactly what their parents do.  Exactly what society does.  Exactly what dozens of reality tv shows do.  Judging people by appearances.

    No volume of verbiage will change that.

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    expanding the definition of bullying . . . (none / 0) (#106)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed May 13, 2015 at 10:45:40 PM EST
    It seems to me that you are expanding the definition of bullying to include a discussion on the internet of some persons being pretty or not or hot or not.

    bully, definition . . .

    use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.

    You may have  right to your opinion, but you currently lack a right to make up defintions of words so that they cover activities you dislike . . .

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    Not Even Close (none / 0) (#107)
    by ScottW714 on Thu May 14, 2015 at 09:44:05 AM EST
    From Wiki:
    Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability. If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.

    Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The UK has no legal definition of bullying, while some U.S. states have laws against it. Bullying is divided into four basic types of abuse - emotional (sometimes called relational), verbal, physical, and cyber. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.

    Bullying ranges from simple one-on-one bullying to more complex bullying in which the bully may have one or more "lieutenants" who may seem to be willing to assist the primary bully in his or her bullying activities. Bullying in school and the workplace is also referred to as peer abuse. Robert W. Fuller has analyzed bullying in the context of rankism.

    A bullying culture can develop in any context in which humans interact with each other. This includes school, family, the workplace, home, and neighborhoods. In a 2012 study of male adolescent American football players, "the strongest predictor was the perception of whether the most influential male in a player's life would approve of the bullying behavior".

    It's emotional cyber rankism.

    On this one, I agree with Jim, except that I don't think the location matters with technology in that who is going to determine whether a post from a phone was done on school grounds or across the street.  The school is the vortex and each individual post is irrelevant.

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    Uber just like Walmart (none / 0) (#47)
    by thomas rogan on Sat May 09, 2015 at 01:22:52 PM EST
    In case (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Sat May 09, 2015 at 03:05:09 PM EST
    Jeralyn deletes your comment because of the long URL (which messes up her site), here is a short link to the Uber is like Walmart article.  Link.

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    For Howdy (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 09, 2015 at 01:34:57 PM EST
    I remember you talking about the war room. You were right Even tiger beat on the potomac has conceded it's admiration.

    link

    For those of you who live in, (none / 0) (#53)
    by Zorba on Sat May 09, 2015 at 05:08:20 PM EST
    Doggone (none / 0) (#54)
    by Zorba on Sat May 09, 2015 at 05:10:25 PM EST
    Tried to give a shorter link.  Trying again:

    Link.

    Okay, I think that one works.

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    wow (none / 0) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Sat May 09, 2015 at 05:19:06 PM EST
    they don't even try to hide it anymore,
    First, the national media have never been more primed to take down Hillary Clinton (and, by the same token, elevate a Republican candidate)
    . What in the name of Edward R. Murrow have they been teaching in journalism school lately? The Clinton Rules are indeed a true force of nature.

    The best I can translate this:

    new political media that will drive the 2016 presidential contest are like the surface of the oceans -- huge, always moving, unpredictable and potentially destructive."
    is "if we tell you it's Bush/Cheney 2016 tough luck."

    Do not forget the NY Times (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by MKS on Sun May 10, 2015 at 01:49:52 PM EST
    shilled for Cheney's assertion of WMD in the lead up to the Iraq War.....

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    Yep, I was surprised at how (none / 0) (#74)
    by MKS on Sun May 10, 2015 at 01:48:08 PM EST
    vicious they are, how against her they are....

    I am a long time Obama supporter, so I have had a different frame of reference...They really, really do not like her.

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    Seriously? What's it to me? (none / 0) (#69)
    by lentinel on Sun May 10, 2015 at 08:54:15 AM EST
    Rather, that boy is a professional actor who was hired by the show's producers to do a legitimate job. They were filming in front of the cast and crew, and he was probably accompanied by a parent as well. If the parents signed off on the script, what's it to you?

    The scene is between the boy and an older man.
    The older man is telling the boy that the way to make love. He details ways of, "putting it in". I do not wish to repeat this dialogue here, but it is graphic.
    The older man then makes the boy repeat this formula out loud.

    Whether his parents "signed off" on this or why they did, is a matter for speculation.

    And, you ask, incredibly, if the parents signed off on having their child recite graphic sexual content, "what's it to you"?

    To me, it represents child abuse. So, yes. It does mean something to me. I don't enjoy witnessing it.

    Well, then I suppose I should be grateful ... (2.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 10, 2015 at 05:43:43 PM EST
    ... that yours is very much the minority opinion on this matter. I suggest that the next time "Louie" airs, you resist your own temptation to channel Helen Lovejoy, and instead change the station to Oprah and mind your own business.

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    Unkind, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Zorba on Sun May 10, 2015 at 08:48:58 PM EST
    And totally uncalled for.

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    ... I felt it was well deserved. If you look farther upthread, you'll note that I wasn't the instigator here, Zorba -- lentinel was, when she inexplicably took offense at an otherwise benign observation I was making to someone else, and basically told me to shut up.

    Everybody has the right to their own opinions when discussing the arts and, in the case of comedy, what they think is funny. The damnedest thing here is that Louis CK's show "Louie" is really hit-and-miss with me, and I can't say as I'm necessarily a fan of his -- and yet there I am, defending him against a unfounded and nonsensical charge of pedophilia.

    No one should be putting on moral airs like that, telling someone to shut up because of differing tastes in entertainment, while further claiming hyperbolically that someone else is a pedophile who should be charged with child abuse. That's what's uncalled for, as far as I'm concerned.

    Aloha.

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    Pedophilia? (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Anne on Sun May 10, 2015 at 10:19:33 PM EST
    I think it was more like she couldn't make sense of it somehow being okay for a young child to be reading lines describing a sex act.  Do you really think a 10 yr old has the maturity to make the distinction between "acting" and real life when it comes to this subject?

    I'm not here to defend or accuse anyone of anything, but I have to say that I don't really get it either.  I'm trying to imagine my grandsons being in that position, and it gives me a serious case of the creeps.

    If you put that kid in a priest's office or a teachers' office at school and had him practicing those lines, the outcry would be deafening. Do we really think that putting cameras in the room makes it acceptable?  Or is that the point where we call it p0rn?

    Kids that age can't give consent, so if whatever it is involves something adults have to consent to to do with each other, then maybe it shouldn't involve children, even if it's only reading words.

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    Follow (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by lentinel on Mon May 11, 2015 at 11:30:53 AM EST
    your own advice and don't read my posts - since you can't seem to focus on its content.

    You have one of the largest egos on this blog - telling me or anyone to mind my own business.

    And to think that you put yourself out as a political consultant...


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    The post above (none / 0) (#70)
    by lentinel on Sun May 10, 2015 at 08:59:19 AM EST
    was a reply to something written by Donald below
    at: LINK

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    I haven't seen that episode of Louie yet (none / 0) (#73)
    by McBain on Sun May 10, 2015 at 12:01:39 PM EST
    but I seriously doubt the boy will have any issues from speaking graphic dialog.  To me, the real question is how will the acting profession in general affect him later in life?  Seems like a lot of child actors end up in rehab but, maybe I only hear about the ones that do. I also hear about the crazy parents.  

    I saw a documentary, The Hollywood Complex, about kids trying to break into show business.  It wasn't as crazy as I thought it would be but it still seemed like some of the parents were trying to live out their dreams through their kids.

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    McBain: "I saw a documentary, The Hollywood Complex, about kids trying to break into show business. It wasn't as crazy as I thought it would be but it still seemed like some of the parents were trying to live out their dreams through their kids."

    In fact, the have been stories galore written about pushy and controlling parents of child actors. Off the top of my head, one of the most notable is the mother of burlesque legend Gypsy Rose Lee, Rose Hovick, who was later immortalized as "Mama Rose" in the award-winning musical Gypsy.

    One of the more infamous stage mothers in show biz history is Ethel Gumm, the former vaudevillian whose daughter was Frances Gumm, better known as Judy Garland. Ms. Garland's tragic trajectory in show business was well documented and chronicled during her own lifetime, from a famous yet ruthlessly exploited child star to a burned out, drug-addicted alcoholic who was tossed callously aside by MGM at age 28, to her repeated comebacks on screen and stage, before her life's candle finally blew out at the ripe old age of 47.

    Aloha.

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    Etan Patz Case (none / 0) (#71)
    by RickyJim on Sun May 10, 2015 at 09:29:08 AM EST
    I have read hardly anything about it on this board and I have a very poor knowledge of the evidence from reading other sources. I did have a feeling that the situation made proof beyond a reasonable doubt extremely unlikely. There is a fairly interesting article in today's NY Times about the jury deliberations.  I think such a detailed account is quite rare.  I gather one key point was whether or not the detailed description of an alley where defendant Hernandez said he left a box with the body in it had much evidential value.  I doubt it since that box was never found and my recollection is that Hernandez worked in the area.  The one thing that bothered me about the deliberations themselves was that as time wore on, it was evident that they would not reach a unanimous verdict, so some of those in the minority switched to the majority.  It is impossible to tell whether that was due to being convinced of guilt or the desire to get out of the claustrophobic deliberations.

    Jeb: "I Would Have Invaded Iraq" (none / 0) (#84)
    by Mr Natural on Sun May 10, 2015 at 08:43:13 PM EST
    "I would have, and so would have Hillary Clinton, just to remind everybody,"

    [So there!]  

    Yeah, he's presidential.  Sure.  Right.

    Yep - very Lincolnesque, he is. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 10, 2015 at 10:30:19 PM EST
    FDR missed a wonderful opportunity to alter this country's future trajectory for the better, when he failed to throw the book at Jeb's grandfather Prescott Bush on charges of doing business with Nazi Germany during World War II, in clear violation of the Trading With the Enemy Act. He would've saved us a lot of subsequent grief a half-century later, had he stripped that family of its assets and consigned them to the ash heap of history.

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    The unfortunate thing (none / 0) (#90)
    by lentinel on Mon May 11, 2015 at 08:31:54 AM EST
    about this comment from Jeb is that he might be correct about Hillary Clinton.

    No matter how progressive her statements lately on the domestic front, her aggressive stances on foreign policy are to me very troubling.

    And - as been shown over and over again - no matter the good intentions of politicians, if the major share of our resources are diverted to these entanglements in distant lands, the country will continue its slide into the sinkhole of income and social inequality.

    Being against the obvious stupidity of those presented to us by the Republican party is easy.

    Finding a convincing alternative is more challenging.

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    'Might be' is a long way from 'likely' (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ruffian on Mon May 11, 2015 at 10:10:30 AM EST
    Though I deplore Clinton's vote, I see it as cowardly unwillingness to buck the president, the majority of the Senate, and the drum beating of the media. I don't for a minute think that had she been president, she and her advisers would have come up with an invasion of Iraq as a response to 9/11. She may be more aggressive than many of us would like, but she is not bats**t crazy or stupid. If I am ever convinced that she would have invaded Iraq as president, I won't vote for her, case closed.

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    That's the problem. (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by lentinel on Mon May 11, 2015 at 12:17:15 PM EST
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    ..I deplore Clinton's vote, I see it as cowardly unwillingness to buck the president, the majority of the Senate, and the drum beating of the media.

    I agree that she would not invaded Iraq.

    In my opinion, that was purely a Bush agenda.
    Using the US military as his personal lackeys to avenge his father and pursue a course quite economically favorable to his unsavory vice-president.

    However, the way that you summed up the reality of Clinton's decision to go along with the tide - the generated hysteria - for something that she could have known was stupid and unjustified, is what concerns me.

    Many lives depended on that vote.

    That may be unkind - or unfair. I acknowledge she was but one vote.

    But many already considered her a leader and looked to her for leadership. I know I did.

    Consider the influence she might have had if she had had the courage of her convictions and her intelligence and said, "hell, no". Or at least, "I'm not convinced and I need much more information before authorizing the potential or probable use of our military..."

    So that is my problem with her:

    As much as I respect her intellect and even, some of the time, her instincts, I believe her capacity to exhibit "cowardly unwillingness" to buck right-wing drumbeats is something that gives me great pause.

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    I hear ya... and I wish it were not such a (none / 0) (#100)
    by ruffian on Mon May 11, 2015 at 04:46:08 PM EST
    common condition amongst Dems, especially those who strive for leadership positions. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy that they have to bend to the right to get wide support. Wish one of them would try not doing it sometime.

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    I know (none / 0) (#102)
    by lentinel on Mon May 11, 2015 at 09:06:01 PM EST
    she ain't running, but I believe that Elizabeth Warren has that kind of integrity.

    I think she's for real.


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    Might be correct? (none / 0) (#92)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 11, 2015 at 10:18:46 AM EST
    And, Hillary Clinton, also "might" insist on showing "Louie" Videos to all pre-schoolers as a major plank in her platform.

    Here's a friendly suggestion, from me....to you.

    Before we condemn people with an all, or, nothing at all, thumbs up, or, thumbs down,  All Black, or, All White, designation, how about we try a little fairness, honesty, and reality to this issue? O.K?

    First of all, not everyone who voted "aye" to the AUMF vote was 100% gung ho to go to war, and, not everyone who voted "nay" was 100% against. Let's try to be grown ups and understand that, unlike Republicans, decisions like that one are much more complicated than its been made out to be.

    And, rather than me trying to explain Hillary's decision, which would take a lot more time than I have right now, I would suggest you do a little Googling first. Look up Hillary's vote, and the addendum, or, explanatory statement she made that went with it. In that letter she lays out much better than I could why she voted as she did, and all the factors that went into that decision.

    O.K, lentinel? Unless you're like a certain commenter here at Talk Left who roams the corridors with his eyes, ears, and brain  welded shut.

    Please, read it. It really isn't as simple as its made out to be.  

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