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Jeb Bush to Formally Launch Campaign Monday

Here comes Jeb Bush, with a new exclamation point next to his name. Here's his launch video. He looks tired.

Also considering jumping into the race: John Kasich.

If Twitter is any gauge of popularity: Hillary has 3.6 million followers on Twitter. Jeb has 196,000.

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    Hey coral gables... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:02:59 PM EST
    If you're in the hood, I'll be in the line at the Genius Bar at the Falls mall at one pm on Wednesday, to sort out my four different wifi addresses.  I won't be the genius, but I'll be the young looking old guy, in a green shirt, ha.  We could have a beer at TGIF, and talk about everybody on TL.

    That last sentence is a real draw (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:07:20 PM EST
    Heck, if Colorado weren't so far away, I'd fly there to eavesdrop .... (Or, buy the drinks.)

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    Military Tracy (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:17:30 PM EST
    and I had lunch last year and we talked about everybody some but in reality there's really not a whole lot to discuss.

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    CG and I can talk about fish, (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:25:51 PM EST
    And I'll have all 5,000 photos on three devices.  I'm not lugging the 27" iMac along.  I plan to bring a photo of that wifi address.  I also need some more boxer shorts with fish on them.

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    Whoops, (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:33:32 PM EST
    This wasn't the open thread,sorry.  We'll talk about Jeb though.

    Donald! (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:25:02 AM EST
    or is it: Trump!

    DNC burn: (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    "Today, Donald Trump became the second major Republican candidate to announce in two days.  He adds some much needed seriousness that has previously been lacking from the GOP field and we look forward to hearing more about his ideas for the nation."

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    That announcement by (none / 0) (#128)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:12:16 PM EST
    The Donald was so self absorbed it was pathetic, I thought.

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    There's not going to be enough (none / 0) (#129)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:33:05 PM EST
    popcorn to keep us supplied through this election season...

    I saw The Donald on the TV as I was passing through our reception area, and couldn't bring myself to stop and watch for even a minute; I couldn't stand the thought of indulging this man's already-overblown ego for even a minute.

    Has an ego ever actually exploded?  Because that may be the only reason to watch these guys (and gal) - for the possibility of seeing it happen in real time.

    I'm sorry, but the fact that there are people who would actually support these candidates, who actually think they have good ideas to offer, makes me despair for the future of this country.

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    Yesterday I Read... (none / 0) (#148)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jun 17, 2015 at 09:24:34 AM EST
    ...this:
    Trump has decent approval ratings in national polls, registering above 20 percent in a latest NBC News poll from March and is averaging approval ratings that would allow him to stand on the debate stage in August. But the percent of people who said they would never vote for him is above 70 percent, far higher than any other candidate.
    LINK

    I found that to be hilarious.  People might be unclear about who they will vote for, but they sure know who they wouldn't.

    Some highlights from the link:

    After waving to supporters as he descended down an escalator, Trump stepped on to stage steeped in American flags where he said other candidates won't be able to fight ISIS because "they didn't know the air conditioner didn't work" or because "they didn't know the room was too big" for their presidential announcement.

    He also knocked Republican challenger Jeb Bush by name for supporting Common Core and immigration reform, saying, "How the hell can you vote for this guy?"

    He then compared Chinese leaders to American leaders. "Their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. It's like taking the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team. That's the difference between our leaders and China's leaders."

    Trump said he would build a "great, great wall" on the southern border and that he would make Mexico pay for it.

    Mexicans "are not our friends," he said.



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    It's "Donald!" (5.00 / 4) (#125)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:02:51 PM EST
    Duck!

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    Since I've been wrong the last two cycles (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:27:33 PM EST
    i didn't think it would be McCain and I didn't think it would be Romney, I may as well go for the triple crown.

    I don't think it will be Jeb.

    I thought this was interesting

    Walker-Rubio 2016? Walker says his supporters love the idea

    Don't ever remember hearing this kind of thing this early in the process.  And if you read it he seems completely open to being in either the first or second position.
    Interesting approach to stopping Jebbie.  Pooling the followers of the two of them

    "Rubes 4 Rubio" (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:37:38 PM EST
    - Bumpersticker for the new, improved, Southern Strategy.

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    "Jerks 4 Jeb" (none / 0) (#4)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:43:05 PM EST
    Out of politeness, that's as close as I dare get to my real suggestion.


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    Saw one the other day (5.00 / 7) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:50:41 PM EST
    pic of Walker and it said

    DOES THIS A$$ MAKE MY CAR LOOK FAT?

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    "Weenies for Walker" (none / 0) (#8)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 07:03:00 PM EST
    Please don't make me do Santorum.

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    Why do people including Santorum (none / 0) (#10)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 07:49:51 PM EST
    think he is a good candidate? I live in Pennsylvania (born here but did live the sweet life in San Diego and FtLauderdale so I know what the world is about,heh. But when I moved back here the last time, there was this strange Senator who was indeed a misfit to the state. He was such a misfit that the people here (Both sides) decided to get rid of him after one term. I mean he was an embarrassment to everyone. In fact, the night of the election, his was the first loss immediately called with the news panels making silly remarks that there was no surprise there. 15 Seconds into the Polls closing. Please tell me what that says about a incumbent Senator in a blue/red state. It says that the Senator was an idiot and we all wanted him out. ON BOTH SIDES. And yet, he keeps showing up and I hear friends in other states mention him as a possible candidate. They like his ideas. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Hair being pulled out.

    Then after we got him out, the Dems in this state got cocky. Specter changed to a Democrat. The GOP were not happy but, we had another vote. So the Dems, instead of getting behind Specter, decide to throw in another candidate. This was the problem: There were enough Dems and GOP who would vote for Specter and thus he would have been elected to the Senate chair just as it had always been. His health was fading and we had a Democratic Governor who would have appointed another Democratic Senator. But once again, no one called me for my opinion and we got this right wing guy and for a million dollars and I kid you not,I can not tell you what his name is. And I am not joking. So let's hope there are not any Ricky stickers out there.
    BTW, I agree with J that Jeb looks tired. Has probably been busy burying all those bodies. This is gearing up to be interesting.

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    A friend (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:12:15 PM EST
    of mine from high school lives in PA and he constantly rags on people who even have the slightest thought of voting for Santorum saying that PA worked very hard to get rid of that nut. He's always saying we don't want him in PA his home state so why are you all out there EVEN considering him.

    That being said I don't see him going very far this time. He's another also ran along with Perry. Too many newcomers shopping the same nutty stuff.

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    I agree with everything (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:14:23 PM EST
    but
    The freak literally came in second last time.   And if anything the freaks are stronger now than they were on '12.

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    Santorum was (none / 0) (#19)
    by ding7777 on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 10:14:03 PM EST
    elected to 2 term as US Senator - he won his 2nd term in 2000 even though Gore took Pennsylvania

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    You are right (none / 0) (#57)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:18:50 PM EST
    I was still in California then. I think I was thinking of our governor, Corbett, replaced by Dem Wolf. Easily. First election called. Corbett was another Republican horror story. Thanks.

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    Pat Toomey (none / 0) (#30)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 11:39:48 AM EST
    now holds Specter's old seat. Toomey was part of Americans for Prosperity before running for US Senate, I believe.

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    Walker/Rubio? (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:45:33 AM EST
    What about me--LOG!   Lindsey Olin Graham (signed).  LOG!/Rotating VP 2016

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    The folks at "Wingnuts for Walker" ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:52:30 PM EST
    ... take vigorous exception to the notion that Lindsay Graham is a viable presidential candidate, and further wonder aloud why he abandoned Buffalo Springfield and CSN&Y to embark on a solo career.

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    Are You Sure... (none / 0) (#44)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 03:39:56 PM EST
    ... I was thinking Fleetwood Mac was happy to rid themselves of that self-centered jerk.

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    I think your recalling Mick Fleetwood's ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:23:15 PM EST
    ... public statement refuting Scott Walker's recent claim that he had turned down the band's offer to become their new lead guitarist, should Lindsay Buckingham ever decide to leave.

    ;-D

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    I thought Lindsay Graham was the name (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:34:48 PM EST
    of that SuperGroup album, where Lindsay Buckingham did duets with Graham Nash.

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    Yeah, I remember now! (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:28:42 PM EST
    What was the name of that album again -- "Tomorrow at Tara"?

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    The Hollies had a member... (none / 0) (#127)
    by unitron on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:08:36 PM EST
    ...named Graham, but I'm almost certain that Buffalo Springfield never did.

    In other political news, Donald Trump is stroking it in public again.

    His ego, that is.

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    Isn't Olin... (none / 0) (#50)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:34:11 PM EST
    ...that stuff in chips that causes anal leakage ?

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:41:17 PM EST
    the masc. for olestra.

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    To funny (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:12:35 PM EST
    tooooo funny

    You know I do believe the American voting public is pretty stupid.

    But I saw some of that speech today, very good "speech" I thought btw, and can not allow myself to believe they are stupid enough to buy Jeb as the bane of the "pampered elite".

    OTOH
    Mitt is on the tube saying Hillary is to rich and more or less getting away with it.
    So there is that.

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    Someone should ask Mitt (none / 0) (#97)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:49:30 AM EST
    how Hillary (and Bill) became so rich, coming from such humble backgrounds . . . vs say, Jeb! and himself . . .

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    Amusing... (none / 0) (#2)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:33:58 PM EST
    Jeb is announcing his announcement the same day that Trump said he was announcing his announcement.

    I watched Jeb's video - and I must say I could not believe what I was watching.

    You have to see it.

    I think the man is certifiable.

    Jeb sent out a tweet this morning (none / 0) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:48:27 PM EST
    came off as quite pompous to me but judge for yourself.

    Here is the entirety of the tweet.



    Some guy on Dem. Underground... (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by desertswine on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:28:34 PM EST
    made an alteration of jeb's logo. An improvement actually.

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    Gonna guess without looking (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:57:06 PM EST
    question Mark?

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    Still like (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:57:49 PM EST
    question mark

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    Can't keep (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 09:07:03 AM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 05:59:20 AM EST
    that made me laugh out loud


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    That's his new official logo (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 06:51:54 PM EST
    I would have found a better (none / 0) (#9)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 07:38:29 PM EST
    exclamation point. That one is so middle school :P

    Not that I would do anything like that in the first place, lol!~

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    Yes (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 07:50:31 PM EST
    but at least have someone else tweet it. Tweeting your own name looks a little odd.

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    Oh, you've got to be kidding! (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:35:18 PM EST
    Except quite obviously, you're not. LOL!

    Jump!

    Jerk!

    Jackass!

    The punchlines practically write themselves.

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    Easy to remember. (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:12:06 PM EST
    Makes me want my Crayons (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:59:39 AM EST
    Didn't he (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:15:15 PM EST
    use that same exclamation point in Florida?

    Maybe 20 years ago that was a good thing. Now it just looks like a kindergarten logo.

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    Yes he did (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:26:08 PM EST
    and so did Lamar!

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    Was that Hedy or Hedley? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:25:17 PM EST
    ;-D

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    lol; remember the tollgate gag? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:41:30 PM EST
    Yep. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:32:54 PM EST
    "Somebody go back and get a schittload of dimes." That has to be one of the funniest screenplays ever written, and the acting was simply superb. I always felt that Harvey Korman really deserved an Oscar nomination for his over-the-top performance in "Blazing Saddles" -- as did Hedley himself.

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    I started (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:20:04 PM EST
    watching Jeb's video and just wanted to snooze about 1 minute in. Bob Dole made better commercials. he's trying the compassionate conservative BS his brother tried. We all know what that means now.

    And yes, he looks tired and someone needs to ask him why on earth he's running for president?

    Maybe he is a jet-lagged (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 14, 2015 at 08:49:16 PM EST
    populist who flew back from Europe economy class on the red-eye.

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    Well (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:51:44 AM EST
    considering how much the Europeans liked how much he had to say (not very much) you could be right. LOL.

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    I think (none / 0) (#23)
    by lentinel on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:42:46 AM EST
    he wanted us to see how weary he is from caring so much about the  less fortunate. He wants us to be able to "rise up" - like dough left in the bowl with a wet rag on it.

    Actually, I don't think he realizes what would happen if, in fact, the American people were to "rise up". He and his lovely family would be in the Bastille.


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    A Bush? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 10:00:45 AM EST
    In economy?

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    Hey Jeb... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:56:20 AM EST
    ...we all know your last name even though it's not on your logo.

    I can't recall a candidate ever running on their nickname as Jeb is actually John Ellis Bush which by some miracle is JEB.

    I can (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 10:05:01 AM EST
    My grandmother had a very large presidential campaign memorabilia collection. I LIKE IKE

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    In 1952 (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 10:24:42 AM EST
    i asked my mother if she "liked Ike."  She said she did, but she was voting for Adlai Stevenson because in her words, "Nixon is a crook."

    95 years old now, she lives by herself, has a driver's license and still hates Nixon.

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    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:20:00 PM EST
    In 1952, my grandfather was still an active senior official with the California GOP, and I know for a fact that he absolutely despised Richard Nixon without exception or reservation, because he told me so himself on several occasions. Which, of course, provides a great segue to the following true story, per my mother:

    Eight years later in Dec. 1960, about two months before I was born, my grandparents were in Washington, D.C. to visit my mother and father, who were then living on the Marine base in nearby Quantico. My grandfather had scored passes for everyone to watch the formal casting of electoral votes for that year's presidential election in the Senate Chambers at the Capitol, which would formally deliver the White House to the President-elect, John F. Kennedy.

    Coincidentally, then-Vice Pres. Nixon presided over that proceeding in his capacity as president of the Senate. According to my mother, after the vote was concluded, they all went downstairs and got to meet a number of the electors themselves, and it was then that my grandmother -- who was actually a diehard FDR Democrat -- eyed Nixon standing near a window all by himself, staring outside and alone in his thoughts. She felt sorry for him, having had to formally preside over his own election defeat.

    "Why, he looks so sad, like he doesn't have a single friend in the world right now," my mother recalled my grandmother saying to my grandfather. "Why don't you go over there and say something to cheer him up?"

    My grandfather then looked at my grandmother quizzically, like she had rocks in her head, and said acidly, "That's because he doesn't HAVE any friends -- and why the hell would I want to do that?"

    So my grandmother replied in reproach, "Oh, honestly, Herb!" -- and ever the gracious woman, she walked over to Nixon herself and proceeded to engage him in genial conversation for what my mother remembered was about ten minutes. Afterward, she brought him back over to the group to introduce him to my mother and father.

    Mom says that it was actually quite awkward because the tension was palpable, since it was painfully obvious to her that Nixon and my grandfather not only knew one another personally from earlier days in California GOP politics, but that the harsh feelings my grandfather held toward Nixon were clearly reciprocal in nature.

    "Herb," said Nixon coldly to my grandfather in grudging acknowledgment of his presence, to which my grandfather curtly replied, "Dick." According to Mom, these were the only two words spoken between those two men the entire time. They never shook hands or otherwise looked at one another the entire time.

    Your recollection of your mother's views about Nixon made me recall my own family story, which still brings a smile to my face every time I think of it.

    Aloha.

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    My mother always referred to Nixon (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:40:21 PM EST
    as "that god damn Nixon!"

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    ... was that once Nixon fired Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox during the infamous "Saturday Night Massacre" in October 1973, my grandfather actively lobbied Republican members of the California congressional delegation to support the president's impeachment and removal from office.

    As a GOP official, Grandpa had a very strong sense of ethical propriety and in his own political heyday during the late 1940s and into the '50s, he strongly identified with the Earl Warren wing of the state party. And from what I've heard from others, he wasn't at all afraid to call other Republicans out publicly on ethics. Thus, it's entirely understandable why he had very little tolerance for Nixon's shenanigans, which he always felt damaged the party's brand name and image.

    Curiously, he also really didn't care very much for Ronald Reagan, whom he considered a nice guy but an intellectual lightweight, or the men who comprised Reagan's entourage. He particularly reviled Ed Meese, and described him as a weasel. As a former bank VP himself, he thought George Deukmejian to be nothing more than a useful tool for Big Money, and he pretty much alienated himself for good from most of his fellow Republicans when he publicly endorsed Deukmejian's rival, L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley, in the 1982 gubernatorial election.

    Grandpa loved his GOP as a lifelong member of the party, but he increasingly marched to the beat of his own drum politically as he got older. I can only imagine what he'd think of the current crop of GOP candidates and office holders, were he still with us. I can't imagine him liking any of them.

    He was a fiscal conservative, but very much a social progressive who marched for civil rights with the NAACP in the 1960s. He was pro-choice, and was speaking out in favor of LGBT citizens' right to serve in the U.S. military right up to his death in Feb. 1996. Ironically, my FDR Democratic grandmother, who was staunchly Roman Catholic, was opposed to both gay rights and a woman's right to choose.

    Aloha.

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    Terrific interview on "Fresh Air" today (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:21:29 PM EST
    by Terry Gross with Tim Weiner about his new book on Nixon, "One Man Against the World," based on recently released White House documents and tapes. If you lived through that era protesting the War in Vietnam, as I did, it will make you boiling angry all over again, maybe even worse, as you hear how right you were about the man's evil, craven, dishonest and demented nature (enhanced by alcoholism). If you're younger than that, or even if you supported Nixon at the time, I urge you to listen to the interview, if not to read the book.

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    I don't know if I can listen to this, Peter (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:30:34 PM EST
    Like you, I was also an anti-war protester.
    Maybe I'll listen to it after I fortify myself with a strong drink.

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    I heard it (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:33:15 PM EST
    if you don't drink before you will do it after.

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    25,000 dead Americans (none / 0) (#91)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:38:35 PM EST
    and perhaps ten times as many dead Vietnamese, because of Nixon's intentional scuttling of the 1968 peace talks, for his own, self-centered political advantage. Just for starters.

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    Shhh! Don't say that so loudly! (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:05:36 PM EST
    A certain someone who lurks around here thinks that it's all the fault of anti-war Leftists.
    ;-)

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    I had to turn it off. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:23:58 PM EST
    The part about Nixon intentionally scuttling the Paris peace talks as a presidential candidate in 1968 just breaks my heart. I mean, Jeez, what a f---ing d0uchebag that guy was! LBJ should have had both him and John Mitchell arrested for that act of treason.

    No doubt, arresting a standing presidential candidate from one of the two major parties on the eve of an election would have created a scandal for LBJ initially, but in obvious retrospect, he certainly would have saved his country an even bigger amount of grief later on down the road.

    Aloha.

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    History repeating itself. (none / 0) (#101)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 07:50:55 AM EST
    LBJ should have had both him and John Mitchell arrested for that act of treason.

    And B.O. should have had both Bush and Cheney arrested for their treasonable acts.

    But these pols "move on" and shelter each other - leaving the road clear for the Bushes, Cheneys, Nixons and Mitchells of the future.

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    Maybe all the 2016 GOP presidential candidates (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 06:27:18 PM EST
    can consolidate their message and all share just one bumper sticker logo.

    Dick!

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    My grandmother was a Democratic delegate (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:12:10 PM EST
    At the Democratic convention twice.  She had so much campaign memorabilia.  It probably all went into the trash.  I was her only heir to political addiction.  But she passed in the middle of us fighting for Josh's life, when Tricare was denying him the surgery that saved his life.  I was in Salt Lake City Children's Hospital the day she died instead of at her bedside.  I know she understood though.  She loved him dearly.

    I didn't give the political treasures a second thought back then.  Josh's life was saved, but her collection has gone on to the dustbin.

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    Hill AFB? (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:28:57 PM EST
    No, we had to go outside of our (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:54:49 PM EST
    Insurance.  Shrines of Salt Lake City were paying out of pocket to have Salt Lake Children's preform the surgery.  The day after the surgery was preformed Trice agreed to pay.  Probably to avoid us suing them.  But if nobody would pay upfront, there would be no surgery.

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    Were you living in Utah? (none / 0) (#146)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 08:57:37 PM EST
    We were living in Colorado (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 17, 2015 at 01:01:49 AM EST
    My husband was stationed at Ft Carson, but I was fortunate enough to be from CO.  My family had been part of settling Colorado and all that time that entails.

    It was really horrible during the Bush administration for all children who had very serious life threatening health issues that would eat into the 1% profit.

    Tricare is just an acronym for 5 different regional for profit military family insurers that said NO to Joshua receiving the scoliosis surgery that saved his life and ended his fight with nerve damaging paralysis inducing scoliosism

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    Since it's Also His Initials... (none / 0) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 10:28:27 AM EST
    ...FDR & JFK, but then it would have to be J.E.B.

    I just thought it was funny that he isn't using the family name, so we might have bumper stickers that go something like, 'Jeb-Rubio', 'Jeb-Graham', or 'Jeb-Huckabee'.

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    The Bush family is (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:33:45 PM EST
    adept at scrubbing where necessary. .  Whether Prescott Bush's background, George HW Bush's Iran-Contra involvement, W's youthful indiscretions, Neil Bush's Silverado S&L, and, the carefully cleansed family acquaintanceship with the Hinckley family.

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    So John Hinckley's actions (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:01:58 PM EST
    are his brother's responsibility?

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    He didn't say that (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:21:59 PM EST
    The Bush apples don't (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    fall fRom the tree.  Got a problem with that?

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    True. But is that what the scrubbers thought? (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:03:22 PM EST
    Who knows (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:15:38 PM EST
    i would guess they, IMO correctly, assumed it would inconvenient in a public relations way.  Rather like Prescotts Nazi connections.

    Not good to be to close to the family of the person who tried to murder the Great Gazoo.

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    Jimmy Carter (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:33:57 PM EST
    Never "James".

    Or Bill Clinton.

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    How about (none / 0) (#22)
    by lentinel on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 09:37:53 AM EST
    "Bubba"?

    Guess he didn't run on it though...

    "Ike"?

    With respect to Jeb, how did Shakespeare put it, "A Bush by any other name smells just as much".

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    And how about (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 12:22:58 PM EST
    "Hillary"?

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    Hillary.... (none / 0) (#32)
    by lentinel on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 12:58:29 PM EST
    not really a "nickname" I don't think....

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    I agree, but it's a first name (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 01:14:33 PM EST
    used in an overly familiar way that always strikes me as sexist, that is, used with a frequency and universality that you just don't see in the use of any similarly situated man's first name (or nickname), except when the man is being belittled or mocked.

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    I think it has more to do with the fact that (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CST on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 01:17:51 PM EST
    Clinton as a presidential name is taken.  We called "W" - "W" for a while (George wasn't very helpful of a nickname), and Jeb goes by Jeb.  It's a similar idea.  You see similar things with "Bobby" and "Ted" Kennedy.

    We tend to do this when people have the same last name as a previous president.

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    Which happens a lot! (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 01:26:20 PM EST
    Which U.S. Presidents were related to each other?

    link

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    Knew about all of these except for (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:06:47 PM EST
    James Madison and Zachary Taylor.  Nice link.
    The Presidency is quite inbred in many ways, isn't it?   ;-)

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    More (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:19:46 PM EST
    Can't verify the site, but familypedia.com has many familial relationships listed amongst the presidents. (Can't link right now).

    For example, Barack Obama is a third cousin (nine times removed)from James Madison, eighth cousin (twice removed) from Jimmy Carter (he's also eighth cousins with Dick Cheney), and he is tenth cousin (once removed) from GHWB and twice removed from GWB

    GWB (and GHWB) seem to be related to many of the presidents.

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    Very interesting (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:27:10 PM EST
    Of course, if you go back far enough, we're all related to one another.  
    It does make one wonder, however, if there is a "politics gene."
    ;-)

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    There are some people (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:27:02 PM EST
    I'd rather not claim on my family tree.

    And I say that with large crazy families on both sides.  I'll keep my kinda crazy over what else is out there.  :)

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    Does this mean (none / 0) (#108)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 09:53:40 AM EST
    Jim and I are related?  We are the same age, I think.

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    Likely, via Charlemagne. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:38:00 PM EST
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by sj on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:23:23 PM EST
    Likely, via Charlemagne.  (none / 0) (#122)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:38:00 AM MDT
    Could also be Nefertiti. Or Genghis Khan.

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    Good point (none / 0) (#83)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:11:14 PM EST
    I had forgotten how people were so confused about references to "Harrison" and "President Harrison," thinking that William Henry must be back, that the papers all starting referring to the new President as "Benjie."  Just like they found themselves referring to John Quincy Adams as "the Mighty Quinn."

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    You get a BIG 5 for noticing that, Peter. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 01:25:34 PM EST
    Except (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 02:14:26 PM EST
    Her own campaign used it on official signs and in slogans.  Not sure how it's sexist if the candidate herself is selling her brand that way.

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    She also told the NYT, when they (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:58:41 PM EST
    asked her years ago, that she preferred "Mrs." to "Ms."

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    My own preference, which is a long-lost cause, (none / 0) (#85)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:14:28 PM EST
    speaking of "Mrs.," would be for her to have adhered to "Rodham" and not retreated from her feminism in support of her husband's political cowardice.

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    Will she wear a flag lapel pin? (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 08:36:28 PM EST
    My bet... (none / 0) (#102)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 07:57:18 AM EST
    is yes.

    Obama made a brief foray into rationality - campaigning without a pin...

    Of course, he caved.

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    Next speculation: willl Clinton (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:14:42 AM EST
    do a hunting photo op?  I don't think she did either last time.

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    She tried that in Arkansas (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    After her husband was elected to office there the first time and got such a negative response that she went back to being Mrs. Clinton instead.

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    I don't think she "went back" (none / 0) (#105)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 09:12:08 AM EST
    to being Mrs. Clinton. My understanding is that she belatedly switched to that nomenclature, after being "Hillary Rodham" consistently, in both her personal and professional life, from the time of her marriage until her husband's Arkansas politics made it more comfortable (for him) for her to change her name.

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    That's correct (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 09:16:07 AM EST
    wort remembering also that culturally it was literally another place and time.

    As far as the lapel pin.  I have to say I don't think she will.

    Otoh I have to say if she does, so what.  If it helps her do the job who the f cares.

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    Are you two gentlemen saying (none / 0) (#107)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 09:42:11 AM EST
    that she was only Hillary Rodham on her wedding license?

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    I have never seen their marriage license, (none / 0) (#110)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 10:21:49 AM EST
    but yes, that would be my guess, having known them in law school, and having followed HRC's independent legal career prior to Bill's ascendency. Although I appreciate what Howdy is saying about a change in culture, to me the change has moved in the opposite direction. My experience is that most (but by no means all) of the women who graduated from law schools (at least from the elite schools) in the mid-70s to late -70s, would have viewed "keeping her own name" as the norm for someone subscribing to feminist principles. With which their feminist husbands (myself included) would have agreed.

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    I changed my name (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 10:55:40 AM EST
    Purely for aesthetic reasons.  My maiden name wasn't desirable :). I suppose I could have enlisted in the military.  It is like the happening place to emblazon a suggestive last name on everything :). But you can't yell bad things about my mama in my face without me wanting to reciprocate, so that choice was off the table.

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    I changed my name so I (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:12:13 AM EST
    wouldn't have to constantly spell my last name.  Well, actually, in that era and culture, no one I knew didn't change her last name.

    Meanwhile, check out Krugman, whose column uses "Jeb!" throughout. Very amusing.

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    My Brothers Wife... (none / 0) (#117)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:46:06 AM EST
    ...only had to add 4 letters of our family last name because the ending was the same as her maiden name.

    Not my actual last name, but went something like, her last name was 'Mann' and our last name is 'Benzmann'.  She couldn't hyphenate if she wanted, as it would have been 'Benzmann-Mann'.  I told her she should hyphenate in the middle and end up with 'Benz-mann'.  But she stuck with 'Benzmann'.

    She is a surgeon and my brother is the stay at home dad.  But they are very traditional so I don't think a hyphen was ever a thought.

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    My niece's last name ends (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:28:00 PM EST
    W/ "hoff" as does her husband's. Same problem.

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    I had less (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:37:09 AM EST
    problems with my maiden name than my married name believe it or not. My first name ALWAYS causes problems.

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    Of course, the perfect solution (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:33:46 PM EST
    is to marry your cousin, as did Eleanor Roosevelt (her maiden name). Then no one can tell whether you adopted your husband's surname or not!

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    True. (none / 0) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:52:54 PM EST
    But in today's security world, I can just imagine the confusion and requests to repeat. Mrs Roosevelt, what is your maiden name.  ...I said, what is your maiden name... I said...  

    Also, an exception (and distant cousin exception) to Jeff Foxworthy's.."you're a redneck if.. you go to family reunions looking for a date."

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    I think that's exactly right Peter (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 11:43:57 AM EST
    which is most likely why she didn't consider it would be a problem.  In AR then, sadly, no.

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    Adding (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:00:39 PM EST
    she totally did it for him.

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    Such devotion to a sub-topic merits (none / 0) (#126)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:03:56 PM EST
    some sort of reward.

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    To bad the irony reward (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:29:09 PM EST
    has been retired

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    There is still a candidate (none / 0) (#144)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 07:53:04 PM EST
    for the most clueless comments, and it's not you, boychick.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 08:45:22 PM EST
    i think.  But I haven't been a boy chick for a looooong time.

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    In 1980, the family law prof. scolded me (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:37:01 PM EST
    in class for having changed my name in 1964!

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    In 1974 I wrote my term paper (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 03:36:44 PM EST
    for the class in Family Law on the right of parents -- particularly those with different surnames -- to give their kids any last name they choose. Now, I'm curious whether the allowance of legal same-sex marriage will change the (patriarchal) assumptions behind same-naming, which is tied to the "wife" becoming part of the husband's family, and in earlier times (but historically not so long ago) part of the "husband" himself, legally speaking.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#62)
    by lentinel on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:37:22 PM EST
    that often I feel that the use of "Hillary" by the media, or other pols or commentators has a sexist ring to it.
    I don't use it personally. I refer to her as "Clinton", unless there is some risk of confusion over which Clinton I am referring to, and then I say "Hillary Clinton", or Secretary Clinton...

    But, as jbindc points out, HRC does use her first name as her logo for her campaign - so I have to just let it go.

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    I'm thinking (none / 0) (#98)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 01:09:52 AM EST
    If she had a problem with it, we would have known several years ago. I don't see it as sexist if that's how she is running and promotes being referred to.  Especially for a second time. She was properly referred to when she was FL/Sen/SoS and I'm pretty sure we won't be calling her President Hillary, unless of course, that is her preference . . .

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    If she didn't have a husband who (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 06:26:12 AM EST
    had been president, her last name would suffice to identify her, which is, I think, the real reason she's often now identified by her first name.  When one just says "Clinton," the next thing is always having to specify which one - Bill or Hillary.

    I think Jeb has the same problem: if not for his father and brother being presidents, he could be "Bush" and we wouldn't have to wonder which one.

    But he might still have the exclamation point...

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    Could she be the first president (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 10:19:11 AM EST
    With 2 last names? President Rodham Clinton . . .

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    Depends how you look at it: (none / 0) (#119)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:02:05 PM EST
    Quincy Adams and Delano Roosevelt come to mind. Since HRC no longer uses "Rodham" as a "last name," the situations are more nearly analogous than they might otherwise have been.

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    Well, I don't think it will make (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:18:21 PM EST
    a difference to the Republicans if she wins; you know it will only be a matter of time before she's President SBWWQ [Stupid B___ Who Wouldn't Quit].

    Or worse.

    Yeah, there will be worse, much worse.

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    I must drink more coffee (none / 0) (#124)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 12:59:51 PM EST
    to keep up with you in the AM :)


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    Jeb: "America Deserves Better" (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:03:05 PM EST
    Yes, Jeb, it does.

    Certainly (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:46:34 PM EST
    does deserve better than Jeb. I agree with him that he is the wrong choice for the country.

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    He just means (none / 0) (#48)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 04:29:20 PM EST
    better then his idiot brother.
    What he said
    We are not going to clean up the mess in Washington by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it.
    what he meant
    We are not going to clean up the mess in Washington by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it, such as my idiot brother and those other assorted Republican knuckle draggers.


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    Oh, I think he means Pres. Obama. (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:02:44 PM EST
    Whatever gave you that idea :) ! (none / 0) (#60)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:32:14 PM EST
    I don't know what Jeb meant. (none / 0) (#65)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 05:42:58 PM EST
    What I meant was Jeb.

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    My impression is that Jeb is his brother (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:47:29 PM EST
    just a more dangerous version who can make a complete sentence.

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    Apparently (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 06:56:25 PM EST
    all three of Jeb's children have been arrested and his wife doesn't like being in the public eye. No public shaming for his children though. If it happens to his family it's a "private matter". Ugh. What a putz that guy is.

    CG, at the Apple Store... (none / 0) (#73)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 15, 2015 at 07:18:26 PM EST


    Link to Trump's announcement (none / 0) (#132)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:04:31 PM EST
    LINK

    Trump is confident that FOX will include him in the debates - even if he is in 12th place and they said that they will have only the top ten in the polls - because he says, he gets ratings.

    Can't argue with that.

    Getting (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:13:41 PM EST
    back to the subject of Jeb it seems that he appears as thrilled about running for president as he would be to getting a gall bladder removed. That comes from Krugman and it seems right. The thrill is gone for Jeb and his solutions? The same thing his brother was proffering back in 2000 and he even backs us his claims with his own foundation's research. Talk about a bubble.

    I sort of picture him saying - (none / 0) (#134)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:19:53 PM EST
    or should I say, whining, to Barbara Bush: "but, Mo-om... I don't wanna - do I have to?"

    Ugh.

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    It was interesting (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:36:08 PM EST
    he was the only Bush at the shindig Monday.  The two former presidents notably absent.


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    SHE (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 04:36:47 PM EST
    i mean of course

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    I Know You Haven't Forgotten... (none / 0) (#149)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jun 17, 2015 at 09:30:58 AM EST
    ...Barbara Bush circa 2013:
    "I think it's a great country. There are a lot of great families, and it's not just four families or whatever. There are other people out there that are very qualified and we've had enough Bushes,"

    And then:

    In a brief email exchange Thursday morning with Jeb Bush, CNN characterized his mother's comment as priceless. In a two-word response, Jeb wrote: "Priceless indeed!"

    And GWB:

    "Well, big Jeb, you know, he's got a decision to make. And if I could make it for him, it'd be, 'run,' but I can't," he said.

    "And I don't know what he's going to do," he added. "He'd be a great candidate and a great president."


    LINK


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    Strange because gallbladder (none / 0) (#137)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:30:29 PM EST
    Operations are quite simple and pain.less, wit.h little or no recovery problems..  The sick feeling and pain is before the operation..  Maybe that's what Krugman meant.

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    Here's (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:45:10 PM EST
    the link but i got mixed up. It wasn't Krugman though Krugman has also been brutal to Jeb??? too.

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    Aha! It's that Paleo diet. He's (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 16, 2015 at 02:54:13 PM EST
    "always hungry"!  Give Jeb! A break!

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