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State of Emergency Declared in Ferguson

By Jeralyn, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 04:59:42 PM EST
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There is no rest in Ferguson, MO on the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown. St. Louis Executive has declared a state of emergency.

Prosecutors announced they have filed charges against 18 year old Tyrone Harris, who was shot by police last night. Dozens of protesters have been arrested outside the federal courthouse in St. Louis and charged with trespassing.

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    I'm sure the police will be criticized (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:31:15 PM EST
    for whatever action they take.  If they arrest a bunch of people they will be accused of agitating.  If they stand back and let people riot and loot, they'll be accused of not doing enough.  That's what happened a year ago.  

    No, that's not what happened a year ago. (2.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:34:28 PM EST
    But thanks for playing.

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    No Donald, that is exactly what happened (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:58:09 AM EST
    a year ago.

    The national guard was not sent in when requested.

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    People were complaining about the initial show of (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:13:03 AM EST
    force.... the riot gear, the military looking vehicles... so the Ferguson police scaled things back, which allowed more looting and destruction. They even let idiots throw rocks and bottles at them.  Of course they were criticized for that too.

    I'd still like to know what they are supposed to do?  How can they prevent looting and destruction without protecting themselves and making arrests?

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    How about recognize the difference (2.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 01:46:18 PM EST
    between protesting and looting.

    https://youtu.be/qc_iUCqnctk

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    I understand the difference (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:09:35 PM EST
    Are you claiming there wasn't any looting in Ferguson a year ago?

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    I am claiming (none / 0) (#96)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:39:40 AM EST
    that the police were out of control and showed their real colors during the protests.

    DO WHAT I SAY!!!!

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    The police (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:59:26 PM EST
    have turned any number of peaceful protests into riots.  They show up wearing battle armor and driving APCs, and they are LOOKING for a reason to bring all that.  The average citizen does not relish a fight.  A police officer in riot gear does, since he knows he has the edge.  So they "sweep the streets," goading peaceful people into resistance.

    It's not even a new phenomenon, although universal video capability might make it seem that way.

    In the SIXTIES I remember the LAPD doing everything that could to provoke a response.  Jefferson Airplane and the band I worked for, Sons of Champlin, played a free show in Griffith Park.  LAPD in riot gear lined up dozens strong on one side of the field, waiting for a rock to be thrown or a joint to be smoked.  They didn't get what they wanted, because stoners just wanted to hear the music, man.

    Repack..... It ain't the 60's anymore. (2.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 08:48:17 PM EST


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    Tou're funny, Jim. (3.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:53:15 AM EST
    Everyone's been telling you exactly that for years, to no apparent avail.

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    What exactly should they do here? (none / 0) (#8)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 07:40:38 PM EST


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    They should do this (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 07:51:21 PM EST
    A Facebook posting declaring Sunday 'Darren Wilson Day' in this college town brought protesters to the police station on Monday and strong criticism from city leaders.

    A post on the Columbia Police Officers Association's Facebook page, which appeared on the one-year anniversary of the fatal shooting of black teenager Michael Brown by white Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson, called Wilson "an innocent, but persecuted, officer."



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    Well Seems Like Armed White Folks... (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:45:12 AM EST
    ...are getting a pass from the cops:
    Jon Belmar has some serious explaining to do about why the Oathkeepers are on the streets of Ferguson, why they're being permitted to walk around openly carrying guns such as the ones seen above, and why they're not being arrested like unarmed black citizens are.

    Black people are killed for carrying toy guns in an open carry state. White men come armed with assault rifles to a protest and nothing.
    LINK

    But I am positive you will explain to us how this isn't about race.

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    So What do the Candidates Have to Say? (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by RickyJim on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:07:16 AM EST
    Has anybody running for POTUS weighed in on Ferguson?  Of course, there is one in particular whose comments, whatever they are, will rile people up.

    Ferguson (none / 0) (#57)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:38:18 AM EST
    Black St Louis alderman and BLM activist Antonio French was being interviewed on the McGraw Milhaven radio program yesterday and described what happened when the shots rang out in Ferguson the night before.

    He said that he opened the door of a social service center that he was operating right there and let a bunch of people and kids in to get out of the way of the hail of bullets.

    Then he said that while they were all up front watching the action and trying to stay safe, some of those he let in had gone to the back and slipped out the backdoor with computers and electronic equipment.

    LOL -- I think his eyes opened just a crack.

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    Uncle... tell me you're kidding us (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 03:03:40 PM EST
    I mean that is just too funny and sad to be true,

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    Antonio French (none / 0) (#73)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 03:39:26 PM EST
    It's absolutely true -- someone should find that interview and post it.

    The stunning part is that Antonio French shared it in the radio interview in the first place as he was wiping the egg off his face.

    However I think he was compelled to do so because he was responsible for the equipment, had to account for it being gone, and there were too many other witnesses to the embarrassment.

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    apparently Antonio French (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 04:07:50 PM EST
    understands that he is not responsible for the misdeeds of some whom he rescued

    he took a risk to save a few lives - good for him

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    Save a few lives? (2.00 / 1) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 04:19:23 PM EST
    I think not.

    Took a risk?

    Yes.

    Having said that I do honor his intent and actions. It's just that the result was just so typical and expected when a riot...er...demonstration is going on.

    Ferugson now has a black mayor, a black police chief, 50% of the alderpersons are black and some new black hires in the PD.

    Yet we have all of this false narrative nonsense about BLM when it has been proven that Wilson did no wrong.

    I have to wonder. Who is sponsoring these people??

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    Wonder no more who is sponsoring these people (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 11:11:16 AM EST
    it's all over talk radio that they're being covertly sponsored by a cabal of Iranians, Freemasons and the Illuminati. And the New Black Panthers.

    The same dark forces of subversion who promote the greenhouse gas hoax, attacks on the 2nd Amendment, Planned Parenthood organ harvests, and who have covered up all of Hillary's crimes.

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    You forgot the part about making people (none / 0) (#107)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 11:14:48 AM EST
    get gay-married throughout the land.

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    The Grand Jury findings (none / 0) (#83)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:22:43 PM EST
    we're neither final nor dispositive.  It was a proceeding designed to exonerate Wilson by the prosecutor, and it worked.

    For now.

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    Don't forget about the DOJ (none / 0) (#84)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:58:38 PM EST
    They chose not to prosecute Wilson as well.  I seriously doubt they were "designed to exonerate".

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    Not enough evidence (none / 0) (#86)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:33:49 PM EST
    In that case, which was separate from the GJ proceeding, a**wipe.

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    So, he'll always be guilty in your eyes? (none / 0) (#87)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:57:58 PM EST


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    The facts in the case suggest that (none / 0) (#88)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:17:05 PM EST
    He is.

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    The Only Thing Wilson Can Be Faulted For (none / 0) (#89)
    by RickyJim on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:25:29 PM EST
    is that he didn't have a taser in his van to use on Brown when the latter put his hand in.  The BS "Hands up, don't shoot" was refuted by both the Grand Jury and the DOJ reports.  I also would fault the unexplained leaving of Brown's body in the street for several hours which Wilson had no role in.  The rioting and looting that occurred might have been prevented if the body was removed ASAP.

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    This was another misconception (none / 0) (#90)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:38:25 PM EST
    The medical transporter explained why he didn't remove the body sooner....
    http://tinyurl.com/l77hez6

    The idiots in the crowd are to blame for for why it took so long to remove Brown's body.  The Brown family had to beg the crowd to allow him to take the body away.  

    This was known fairly on but never got much attention.  It went against the police are terrible false narrative.

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    I am Still Mystified (none / 0) (#91)
    by RickyJim on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:57:04 PM EST
    The shooting was reported at 12:07PM and Calvin Whitaker wasn't called to pick up the body until 2:01PM and when he arrived there was an angry mob that caused him to wait for two further hours.  Why wasn't he called much earlier?

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    How much earlier should he have been called? (none / 0) (#92)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:13:13 PM EST
    He can't take the body until the police have finished their initial CSI work. From what I've heard, 2 hours isn't an unusual amount of time.  

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    Yep (none / 0) (#79)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:13:24 PM EST
    He should be invited onto ABCNNBCBS to tell his heroic story without forgetting the footnote of the computers going out the backdoor in the hands of those he saved as his thankyou --

    LOL

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 01:30:29 PM EST
    one person did something bad and now they're all thieves and looters and Imperial Wizards Chip and Jim now have carte blanche to shoot 'em all in the back and ask questions later.

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    My Lord (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by smott on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 04:27:07 PM EST
    The place has become sickening

    A bunch of lies??? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:31:14 PM EST
    Harris' father, Tyrone Harris Sr., said his son got caught up in a dispute between two groups of people and was "running for his life," ....

    "My son was running to the police to ask for help, and he was shot ... It's all a bunch of lies ... They're making my son look like a criminal."

    Well Mr. Harris, take a look at your son in the video and tell us again who was lying:

    New Surveillance Footage Shows Tyrone Harris Pulling Gun from Waistband

    So is this how you "ask for help" in the Harris neighborhood -- pull a gun from your waistband???

    Let's not pile on his father just yet (none / 0) (#85)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:04:24 PM EST
    There's nothing wrong with family sticking up for family up to a certain point.  If he starts acting like Trayvon Martin's parents, then he's fair game.

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    Is there a secret reason (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Palli on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:44:52 PM EST
    people keep saying how sickening the dialogue becomes here, profess the will to shun certain writers but then always renege?

    Dialogue can't flow naturally & build into a cohesive body of conversation because of the cutbacks and stalls of disguised racism, far right revisionism and toxic "gottas". It stopped being entertaining long ago and the learning process is just too laborious to maintain.

    Tyrone Harris, Soros, & MORE (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Aug 17, 2015 at 06:18:20 PM EST
    Soros-Backed Non-Profit Bailed Out Alleged Cop Shooter Last Year

    The Allman Report on ABC:

    A Missouri non-profit group backed by George Soros posted the bond for Tyrone Harris in 2014 after he was arrested for stealing a car, having a stolen gun, and resisting arrest.

    Court records show Harris was arrested November 3rd, 2014. His bond was set at $30,000 (meaning he would need to post $3,000 to get out).

     December 19, he bonded out successfully. Court records show the bond was posted by Molly Gott.

    Gott is a Community Organizer at Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment (MORE).

    MORE is the re-branded Missouri branch of the former Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), which filed for bankruptcy five years ago.

    A list leaked in May shows MORE paid over 80 individuals and organizations to protest during civil unrest in Ferguson last year.

    The group is one of several to which European Billionaire George Soros gave $33 million.

    And to think that it's not FOX News reporting this.

    Soros (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 17, 2015 at 06:56:33 PM EST
    , (reconstituted) Acorn and cop killing thugs, oh my. Better watch your blood pressure uncle, pour your yourself a strong one, go sit on the porch and pretend you sitting on your plantation in SC circa 1830.

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    Isn't It Awesome... (4.33 / 6) (#40)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:06:30 AM EST
    ...that the race-baters, the police apologists. the black haters, and provocateurs all showed up in hoards early today clearly demonstrating their disdain for black lives.

    I am leaving this thread, when the idiot brigade does nothing here but show up like vultures looking for a corpse so they can spew their racial non-sense and incite verbal violence, I will not be a party.

    It's shameful that these idiots only come here to cheer on the police when they are stepping on black people.  But it happens every single time; predictable & disgusting.

    They only come here to poke, they are not in any way interested in a discussion.

    Agreed. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:22:47 AM EST
    I think I'll join you. Racists disgust me. If Jeralyn wants to tolerate their vile nonsense, that's her business. We don't have to, and I've got a busy day ahead of me, anyway.

    Aloha.

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    The STL legal authorities are saying that ... (2.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:19:59 PM EST
    ... the shooting of Tyrone Harris is completely unrelated to the current demonstrations, even though according to Harris's father, his son and the late Michael Brown were classmates and friends.

    Those authorities further claim that Harris fired first at "four plainclothes detectives in an SUV" with a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun that was stolen last year from Cape Girardeau, which is about 120 miles SE of St. Louis, before St. Louis County police chased him down and shot him.

    How convenient for these authorities, then, that none of the officers involved in this shooting were apparently wearing body cameras or otherwise carrying proper identification as law enforcement, which I think would be at least de rigueur during potential periods of unrest, if not actually required by law or administrative rule.

    Therefore, I suppose that the legal authorities in St. Louis County are now insisting that we simply rely upon their word that what they say happened actually occurred in that manner. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing in their recent history which so inclines me to believe a single word they say about anything related to these matters.

    Aloha.

    Now let me understand (4.00 / 3) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 08:46:42 PM EST
    First criticize the police for showing up in uniforms and "militarizing" the area.

    Now criticize the police for being in plain clothes and trying to just let things smooth along.

    Which do you want, Donald? I mean besides attacking the police no matter what they do.

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    You are the only one who gets in the (3.60 / 5) (#24)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:43:49 AM EST
    way of understanding what people are writing here.  Your difficulties with reading comprehension, your habit of putting words in people's mouths and your trouble with the truth.

    If there's anyone who sees "so you're saying that..." in one of your comments and doesn't know without question that what follows will be 180 degrees away from what the commenter in question actually said, I'd be shocked.

    You have peppered these threads with comment after comment that make it clear you aren't actually interested in anyone's opinion, you just see the name of the author and launch into a disingenuous and dishonest "translation" that distorts what for most of us is clear and easily understood language.

    If it's a language processing disorder, seek help.  Otherwise, go play your stupid games somewhere else.

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    Forget it, Anne. (3.25 / 4) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:05:37 AM EST
    This is a guy who, 50 years ago, was likely rooting for Bull Conner. It's no use arguing with someone who's the emotional equivalent of a 6th grade bully.

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    Perhaps Jim should (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:29:25 AM EST
    quit making things up.

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    et al (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:54:43 AM EST
    Donald.... 50 years ago I was in Naval Aviation sworn to defend the country so people like you could grow up totally clueless and insult me.

    I did a fantastic job, eh? ;-)

    Anne - What I am interested in is truth. And my comment pointed out the hypocrisy involved.

    And if you can stand the heat that truth brings, you go and walk around Baltimore and remember what happened when the police were pulled back.

    What we are seeing here is a totally unjustified protest/riot that will do nothing to solve any problem.

     

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    et al (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:26:22 PM EST
    50 years ago, when coming from a long line of night riders and church bombers wasn't the potential handicap it is today, he was in Naval Aviation, and rooting for Bull Conner and red-baiting MLK from a safe distance away..

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    jondee, where ever I was (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:56:44 PM EST
    I was serving my country while you were taking life easy....

    Facts matter. Nasty remarks just show your personality.

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    You have no idea what anyone (none / 0) (#81)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:13:57 PM EST
    else was doing while you were serving your country and raising money for the James Earl Ray defense fund.

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    He chose to serve his country (2.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:20:17 PM EST
    instead of being a grunt in the Army by being in Naval Aviation because he wanted to, just like his buddies who knew the risks they were taking when they chose to fly for the Navy.

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    Mondriggian (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 07:11:27 AM EST
    I have never said what I did in Naval Aviation.
    Please do not talk for me.

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    It doesn't matter (none / 0) (#99)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 07:23:17 AM EST
    you clearly took what was a two-year obligation to serve in the Armed Forces and whatever it was, it was better than being a grunt in the Army or a sailor in the Navy or you wouldn't have done it for 10 years.

    That you don't want me to talk about that aspect of it, not that you refuse to say what it was, is the clue that exposes you as a poseur and a boastful fool.

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    You are a nasty dude (2.00 / 1) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 09:51:25 AM EST
    aren't you?? You just wrote you wanted to have an adult discussion yet you write:

    because he wanted to, just like his buddies who knew the risks they were taking when they chose to fly for the Navy.

    That clearly implies  that I said, or you know from some other source, what I did. I haven't said and you have no other source.

    You lied.

    I replied:

    I have never said what I did in Naval Aviation.
    Please do not talk for me.

    You compounded your lie.

    It doesn't matter you clearly took what was a two-year obligation to serve in the Armed Forces and whatever it was,...

    And I really don't mind pointing out that you lied when you make statements that you have no knowledge of.

    Simply put. You lied.

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    Grow a skin, Jim (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 10:03:16 AM EST
    When it comes to nasty, you're the king heree.

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    Sadly I will yield the floor to (none / 0) (#104)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 10:29:14 AM EST
    you, dear Shadow. Replying to your lies and false claims is not worth the salt.

    You are now dismissed.

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    Shouldn't I go to the shack (none / 0) (#105)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 11:00:17 AM EST
    Or something first?

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    Riot? What riot? (3.50 / 2) (#49)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:16:02 AM EST
    Stop inventing your own narrative of events. There was a shooting, as Donald's post clearly indicates WAS NOT part of the (completely legal) protests.

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    Oh, go sit on a flagpole and spin. (3.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:16:02 AM EST


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    Well said! (1.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:17:57 AM EST


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    Wrong (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:18:25 AM EST
    as always.

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    St Louis County didn't like the body cams (3.50 / 2) (#22)
    by Palli on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 01:05:28 AM EST
    Donald, you understand. A short-lived pilot project was deemed a failure for 2 reasons: there was trouble maintaining charged batteries and they were-oh so-worried that cameras were invading the privacy of citizens. The Chief & County Executive  made it clear in Jan. that there was no need to spend money on cameras.
    The Protestor who filmed some of this event is still in jail-arrested for filming the cops.
    BTW, his video of two cops standing over the young man is heartbreaking & repugnant. One cop kneels to put the severely wounded citizen in handcuffs behind his back as blood drains into the street. Then the cop stands and both cops move about 6 feet away, still tho in the middle of the street, to watch the "suspect" bleed out. The policy policy to handcuff dying people and never offer emergency first aid is "supposedly because they fear more gunfire". An ambulance finally arrived but the hospital surgery was halted early today and cannot resume until the swelling in his brain subsides.

    Tonight among the trophy arrest is a 12 year old girl. It is 12:45 Tuesday morning in Ferguson and St Louis Co. cops are still on Florissant Street are still behaving as if they leaned nothing in the last year. Protestors are still kettled in and all cars have been towed. And everyone is worried about this afternoons arrests as well these tonight.
    The state of Emergency puts Chief Belmar in full command so even if Ferguson had agreed to the DoJ Consent Decree, it would not be in effect. But the City of Ferguson has flatly rejected the Consent Decree and is writing their own version (not negotiating)   assisted by a well-respected expensive "liberal" defense Atty.Dan Webb from Chicago.

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    Do you know what time it was... (none / 0) (#95)
    by unitron on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:06:05 AM EST
    ...when that young lady was arrested?

    Or what the charge was?

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    One common trait (3.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Jack203 on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 09:39:01 PM EST
    of the political nutjobs from the far left and far right is that it doesn't particularly matter how many times they are proven wrong.  It just doesn't phase them.

    Trump, Hawaii?  Same thing from a different stripe.  Rigid, uncompromising, conspiracy-minded fools.  

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    When you feel compelled ... (3.25 / 4) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:12:03 AM EST
    ... to resort to personal invective, you've already lost the argument.

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    Really??? (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:55:41 AM EST
    Well, that puts all your jibes at me in the trash.

    lol

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    the Dindunuffin Kid (2.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:15:42 AM EST
    Donald: the shooting of Tyrone Harris is completely unrelated to the current demonstrations

    Really? then what was he doing at the scene of the demonstrations??

    Donald: Therefore, I suppose that the legal authorities in St. Louis County are now insisting that we simply rely upon their word

    So I guess then you would prefer to take the word of a felon:

    We`ve confirmed with police sources, the Facebook page of Tyrone Harris. He calls himself TY Glocks. He`s posted dozens of pictures with him holding guns, often posting them with the #pistolgang.

    His last post was about an hour before the shooting. It said "I (expletive) around go on West Florissant tonight."...

    According to court records, suspect Tyrone Harris, Jr. was arrested in November 2014 for having a stolen 9 mm.

    A probable cause statement said police pursued Harris after he was speeding in a stolen car down a one way street. Police reported throwing down stop sticks, then arresting him. Officers say he admitted to stealing the car and gun.

    BTW if you don't like Fox News here, the STL Post, the Riverfront Times, local radio and TV stations all featured the same information.

    You need a better source of information, or just quit making stuff up.

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    The troll rating is for the racist title (3.50 / 2) (#59)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:05:09 PM EST
    to your comment.

    I didn't need to read the rest of it.

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    Anne's Ratings (none / 0) (#62)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:37:55 PM EST
    Don't forget to rate this one too.

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    Cry me a river (none / 0) (#68)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:47:43 PM EST


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    Cry me a river (none / 0) (#74)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 03:43:57 PM EST
    Hang in there, I'll send you one courtesy the EPA.

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    Me too!!!!!! (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:58:17 PM EST


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    The DOJ got it wrong (2.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:36:36 PM EST
    Too often talking heads defer to the DOJ on the Brown shooting as if they are the final word, but here is an article explaining how they got it wrong:

    Here is How the DOJ Got It Wrong

    After dividing statements into three categories -- credible, neutral and not credible -- the Justice Department discounted all of the statements that included "hands up," citing inconsistencies or inaccuracies.

    Mistakes, however, did not seem to impugn statements that included claims that Brown's hands were not up.

    Among more than a dozen witnesses the DOJ deemed "credible" were two men who thought Wilson had a Taser. He did not.

    Another witness said she saw three black males, not two.

    Yet another recalled Wilson driving a car, not an SUV; one man mistakenly thought Brown was in a "firefight" with Wilson.

    Two people, one of whom admitted to lying initially, were judged more credible because they claimed fear of reprisals -- from whom, we do not know.

    Also deemed credible was Barbara Spradling, Wilson's then-fiancée, now wife, who was also a Ferguson police officer. She simply recounted hearsay.

    Rather than pestering the people of Ferguson why aren't the protestors on the steps of the Justice Department contesting this report?

    This is making (none / 0) (#1)
    by NycNate on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:14:03 PM EST
    Race relations worse. I may be short-sighted. But, the BLM crowd is killing it for blacks who may not agree with this movement.

    You mean blacks (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:18:57 PM EST
    who think black lives don't matter?

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    Or maybe African Americans that don't (1.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Jack203 on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 09:30:23 PM EST
    reject All Lives Matter as the black nationalist Black Lives Matter group has.

    As an admitted proponent of violence to support your political views Howdy, you must be pretty happy with the last 12 months.  

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    No idea what that means (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:42:21 AM EST
    but Emanuel Clever says a year ago Ferguson was 1955.  Today it's 1965.

    So, yeah.  I guess I can live with that.

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    "Black nationalist"? (4.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:56:41 AM EST
    "In matters of what black folks say and do -- and especially, in matters of what they ought to say and do -- I adhere strictly to the rules set down by the late Adam Clayton Powell, Jr., who warned us back in 1936, 'Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, colored people looking for a loan, and white men who understand the Negro.' There are certain experiences which I will never share, and being a black person in America is right at the top of the list."
    -- Charles Pierce, Esquire.com (May 20, 2013)

    Do both yourself and everyone here a big favor. Either decline to comment on those matters about which you quite obviously care to understand little or learn nothing, or take your sorry-a$$ed race baiting someplace else.

    >:-|

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    Please do not speak for me (none / 0) (#58)
    by ding7777 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:52:13 AM EST
    everyone here


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    I"m confused (none / 0) (#60)
    by sj on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:12:50 PM EST
    Are you saying you welcome Jack's sorry-a$$ed race baiting?

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    You're absolutely right. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 06:32:28 PM EST
    You ARE shortsighted. Further, if you personally don't agree with the positions taken by #Black Lives Matter, then be a mensch and say so, and take ownership of your statements and beliefs. Don't hide behind the unverifiable views of "blacks who may not agree with this movement" in order to make such spurious representations.

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    i'll play, Donald (none / 0) (#19)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 11:42:59 PM EST
    yes, black lives certainly do matter

    which is only one reason for calling out profoundly apolitical, tantrum-throwing Darwin Award candidates like these #BLM "activists"

    they're doing the GOP's dirty work without even putting themselves on the business end of some Koch brothers cash - that's how clueless they truly are

    but that level of ignorance is no surprise from #BLM "activists" whose principal allies are the ahistoric, nihilistic refugees from white suburbia who pose as "anarchists"

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    The activists' anger is justified. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:31:19 AM EST
    But I agree with you that their tactics of late have been entirely misdirected and are likely counterproductive.

    All I'm saying is that over the years, law enforcement in St. Louis Country have done little or nothing to earn or encourage anyone's trust and confidence.

    In Ferguson in particular, their behavior toward black residents has been akin to that of a brutalizing and occupying power, rather than as public servants whose primary mission is to protect and to serve.

    When people are systematically marginalized, robbed of hope and denied their human dignity by the powers that be, why are we thus surprised when they react in a defiant manner which indicates that they've little else left to lose?

    Aloha.

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    Charlie Pierce had this to say (none / 0) (#32)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:50:29 AM EST
    about the takeover of Bernie Sanders' appearance in Seattle:

    What happened in Seattle was an embarrassment to the tradition of public protest.  It was a hysterical piece of performance art that accomplished absolutely nothing toward whatever goals its performers sought to achieve. Rage is not an excuse. Frustration is not an excuse. This was a simple act of public vandalism, aimed (again) at the wrong target. I have been to a bunch of rallies already in this godforsaken campaign. If the two principals here had tried this at any Republican rally; if they had tried it at any rally for any candidate of the party that largely has supported the militarized state of American policing, that more than any other political institution has worked to create the climate of The Other by which Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are thugs while the people who killed them are blameless victims; if they had tried this at a Republican rally, they'd have been hauled off in handcuffs within five minutes, if they were allowed into the hall at all. This is taking advantage of the openness of a campaign that is overwhelmingly sympathetic to your goals, instead of bringing your fight to the politicians who actively oppose you, because it's easier to do. Consider me unimpressed by the courage involved. I feel absolutely no compunction about saying that this "action" was stupid and counterproductive. It was loud and spectacular and it accomplished nothing good.

    [...]

    Shouting down Bernie Sanders does nothing to solve any problem worth fighting against. It just doesn't.

    I could not agree more.

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    I must say that Bernie Sanders has been ... (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:13:38 AM EST
    ... gracious to a fault when dealing with this matter, particularly in Seattle, where he gave the activists the platform to speak their piece. Now THAT is being a mensch! Hopefully, he can convey to them that it serves their cause no long-term good to pick fights with the white progressive community that's been heretofore inclined to support them.

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    Sadly CNN reported tonight that there really (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 10:08:36 PM EST
    Hasn't been law enforcement reform in Ferguson. Minorities are still being ticketed for everything and anything, extra fines and fees pile up quickly when people can't afford to pay, and it is documented by CNN that blacks went to jail in Ferguson this year for unkempt lawns and jaywalking. CNN said tonight that based on their investigation, law enforcement is still for profit driven in Ferguson and has nothing to do with protecting and serving.

    Does it always have to be a racial thing? (2.00 / 1) (#18)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 10, 2015 at 11:05:57 PM EST
    Maybe the Ferguson policies discriminate against the poor regardless of color.  

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    except . . . (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:06:58 AM EST
    there's no "regardless of" if a poor community is largely black

    anyway, MT is not the one deciding whether it "always has to be a racial thing" - that would be the outcome of the structural racism in the situation, if not also the result of some racist cops' wishes

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    is that (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CST on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:53:21 AM EST
    supposed to make it better?

    Honestly, even if it's not inherently racial, and I'd say there is certainly a component of police overreach that is systemic and non-racial - how is that supposed to be an upside?

    OK, so they only discriminate against the poor.  Guess there is nothing to be upset about.  Really???

    How is that not a system that is in desperate need of reform?

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    Discrimination against anyone is a bad thing (2.00 / 1) (#50)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:18:50 AM EST
    so are false or inconclusive claims of racism and racial profiling.  

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    so you think you know better (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by CST on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:27:02 AM EST
    than the Department of Justice who studied exactly that and found conclusive evidence of it?

    And no, "false claims" of discrimination are not as bad as actual discrimination.  In the case of "false claims" - people distrust police who still keep their jobs and go about business as usual.  In the case of "actual discrimination" black people are being put in jail for unpaid jaywalking tickets and being shot in the street.  I'm tired of this false equivalency nonsense.  Cops are not persecuted.  There isn't a war on Christmas.

    Demanding better treatment is not discrimination or persecution.  Even if it's implying a bias that isn't conclusive.

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    CNNs words, not mine (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:56:27 AM EST
    Ferguson does have a white population. Nobody who was white had an arrest warrant put out for them when their fines were unpaid though.  CNN said that only blacks with unpaid fines had arrest warrants put out for them.

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    I got a $52 parking ticket on Sunday in LA, CA. (none / 0) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 12:43:46 AM EST
    Which I will fight.

    I'm guessing it's not just Ferguson that's enjoying the revenue from BS infractions, and not just minorities that are heavily fined on these BS infractions.

    I do not doubt that there has been no improvement in Ferguson regarding these issues.

    The city doesn't really care, imo, about the race of the person who is forced to pay the fines, they only care about the fines getting paid.

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    Hey Sarc, your knee must be (none / 0) (#26)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:02:42 AM EST
    healing if you're driving around getting tickets.  Any fishing yet?

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    Thanks fishcamp! Yes, I actually got the ticket (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:04:08 AM EST
    while surf fishing down by LAX.

    Surgery was a month ago, I got the brace off last week. I can bend the knee only about 70 degrees, need PT to improve that.

    I've had to relearn how to walk after 6 weeks of a straight knee. Do I push with the forefoot? Does the heal hit? When do I bend the knee?

    Really happy to have the brace off!

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    Why don't you read the DOJ (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:43:34 AM EST
    report on Ferguson and then you won't be making guesses, but dealing in facts, if you're up to it.

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    I know, right? Why didn't I think of reading (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:05:03 AM EST
    the report? Thanks for the tip.

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    Yeah, because being (none / 0) (#65)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:27:50 PM EST
    Knowledgable about something is too much work, right?

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    Sarcasm is apparently lost on some people (none / 0) (#66)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:37:13 PM EST


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    Someone gave me a new sign for (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 02:43:59 PM EST
    my desk.  It reads:

    I am Fluent in Three Languages: English, Sarcasm and Profanity

    It's true, I am.  Sometimes all at the same time.

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    No one is arguing with you (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 03:01:18 PM EST
    or saying that's a good thing.

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    I thought he was just being dense (none / 0) (#78)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 05:46:19 PM EST
    Like you are here sometimes, and oculus, and Uncle Chip, and McBain.............

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    Article on Wilson (none / 0) (#37)
    by smott on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:46:17 AM EST
    From the NewYorker

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/10/the-cop

    I particularly liked the charges (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by smott on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:47:58 AM EST
    Often brought against blacks in Ferguson for
    "Manner of walking on the sidewalk"

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    I sure whites (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:18:29 AM EST
    walk on the sidewalk incorrectly just as often as blacks.

    /s

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    Funny... (none / 0) (#94)
    by unitron on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:01:26 AM EST
    ..., when I search that article for

    "Manner of walking on the sidewalk"

    the closest I can find is

    "manner of walking in roadway,"

    and I'm pretty sure that there's a difference between sidewalks and roadways.

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    For those who are counting: (none / 0) (#100)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 08:12:29 AM EST
    This is the 4th night of peaceful streets in Ferguson.

    The declaration of emergency is working.

    Thanks primarily to the fact that 85+ agent provocateurs, trouble-making outsiders, and various criminal rabble have been arrested.

    They arrested Darren Wilson finally? (none / 0) (#101)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 at 08:27:26 AM EST


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