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Our last open thread is full. I'm back to computer issues today -- I had to have the solid state hard drive replaced in my desktop and now I'm back to Windows 7 and reinstalling all my programs. I'm not sure if I will upgrade again to Windows 10. It is faster and prettier, but I don't like having everything linked to a Microsoft account or that my name shows in the browser.

All topics welcome.

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    Munich (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:51:55 AM EST
    Conservatives are braying that the Iran nuke deal is just like Munich and Chamberlain.

    I just finished listening to the audio of General Curtis Lemay trying to humiliate JFK by telling him that if he failed to strike Cuba militarily right away it would be just like Munich.

    Thank God, JFK ignored Lemay.  What they did not know then was that there over a 100 tactical nukes in Cuba that would have been used against the U.S. troops and perhaps even Miami.  In other words, if the U.S. tried to invade Cuba, a nuclear war was certain.

    At one point, LeMay taunts JFK by telling him he would be in a hell of a fix with the public.  JFK said "what did you say?" and LeMay repeated the taunt.  JFK without missing a beat said, you are right there with me, General, "personally."

    We would likely not be alive today if the military hawks had had their way back then.  

    And, here again, the warmongers are bellowing about Munich.....Thank God, Obama is in the White House instead of McCain.

     

    You (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by FlJoe on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:41:18 AM EST
    can add 36 more surrender monkeys to the list of would be Chamberlains:
    Three dozen retired generals and admirals released an open letter Tuesday supporting the Iran nuclear deal and urging Congress to do the same.


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    Dr Gary Samore, president and (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:08:46 PM EST
    a founding member of the United Against Nuclear Iran, resigned when the organization decided to mobilize opposition to the Iran agreement.

    The former  hawkish "WMD" czar in the Obama Administration and advisor in the Clinton Administration, was initially a skeptic in the ability to reach an agreement, but found his concerns to be satisfactorily answered, saying "I think President Obama's strategy succeeded ."   "....if Iran cheats or reneges we will be in an even better position to double down on sanctions or, if necessary, use military force."  

    Dr. Samore now runs the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University.  He has been replaced at United by  former Senator Joe Lieberman. LIeberman,  neocon and former member of the Lindsey, McCain trio, was plucked from retirement to launch the group's war on peace.   Lieberman stated,  consistent with the meme, "Its a bad deal,"   And wants a better deal.  Yes, Lieberman, a better deal would be-- better.  Glad your on it.

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    I Wish Someone WOuld Ask Jeb... (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:22:52 AM EST
    ...if you agree that looking back Iraq was a mistake, why do you have the same people on your staff that your brother did, people who were wrong about everything ?

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    Am I the only one (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by CST on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:25:32 AM EST
    who really doesn't care if there was some classified info in an email?

    It's not just that I think this is all trumped up and bogus, it's that even if the worst of it is true I just don't care.

    There is little that is less important to me than the secrecy of the federal government.  That doesn't mean I'm cool with spies, etc... But considering the Chinese have already hacked everything - nothing is truly safe or secure anymore no matter who labels it Top Secret.  Who the hell cares.

    I guess you'd have to ask yourself (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:44:41 AM EST
    If you felt the same way when Dick Cheney authorized Scooter Libby to release classified information.  No, it wasn't just Valerie Plane's name - it was a whole host of stuff designed to get the press and the public behind the idea of going to war.

    So, who the hell cares, right?

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    I would (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:54:17 AM EST
    say there's a difference between blowing the cover of an operative and then intra agency warfare over what is considered "classified"

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    Yes, there has been no exposure (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:57:02 AM EST
    of agents and/or methods used to collect intelligence data, do the comparison is a no-go.

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    True, but (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:50:41 AM EST
    As I mentioned, I wasn't talking about leaking Plame's name at all.

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    I'm opposed to that as well. (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 12:12:58 PM EST
    I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

     None of the classified info in the case of the e-mails, AFAIK, was deliberately leaked to support an agenda of any sort.  


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    Apparently not (none / 0) (#126)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:21:05 PM EST
    Because CDT's comment was "why the hell should she care if classified information gets out?". So I asked her what she thought about it in a context where a Republican she didn't like leaked classified information.

    SHE got the point and said as much, but apparently you and your buddy sj are too dense to understand.

    As usual.

    And if I were you, I wouldn't be too sure about your ability to walk and chew gum at the same time either.

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 03:22:47 PM EST
    How Do You Compare Someone... (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:04:17 AM EST
    ...who tried to classify everything to keep it secret, to someone who received information that is still in dispute about it's actual classification ?

    If anything people should be more interested in the sender than the receiver, no ?

    To qualify, I have always stated that this was a huge mistake.  Everyone argued it wasn't illegal and that so and so did it and blah, blah.

    But just because there is nothing wrong with it, doesn't equate to not being a mistake.  I would like to know why.  I don't think it's for any of the conspiracy non-sense, but it's like me deciding to have my department use .tax instead of the normal email system.  It doesn't make sense, and it's creating problems.

    That being said, if it wasn't email it would be some other ticky/tack BS that HRC did wrong.

    Funny how republican have completely forgotten about the White House doing the same thing with the added bonus that they 'lost' all their email communications.  And if memory serves me correctly, they used public domains to discuss____.  We don't know because all of it was 'lost'.

    The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.
    LINK

    The idea that R's give a F about email retention is laughable.

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    Seriously jb (3.50 / 2) (#111)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:28:02 AM EST
    That a masterful example of false equivalence.

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    That's a bit like (none / 0) (#89)
    by CST on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:10:34 AM EST
    asking if I'm OK with gun ownership for hunting and then saying that I must be OK with gun violence.

    And on that I see your point I guess.

    Although honestly I think Dick Cheney is a war criminal and the Scooter Libby/Valerie Plane situation is mostly just a side show.  Of all the things I dislike Dick Cheney for, that isn't on the top of my last, although it was still a $hitty move - mostly because of that whole war thing.

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    Bad Analogy IMO (none / 0) (#97)
    by vicndabx on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:35:22 AM EST
    The State Dept would be Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby would be Hillary Clinton.  A victim of bad info made into a scapegoat.  

    Even then it's a stretch because it would need to be shown HC willingly released info known at the time to be classified,

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    Not really (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:49:54 AM EST
    As the head of the State Department it was HRC who had final say on what the department would deem "classified", so it's pretty hard to argue she would be a "scapegoat " if anything comes of this.

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    It's Pretty Hard to Argue... (none / 0) (#103)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:05:27 AM EST
    ...that she would classify it as secret, no ?

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    That does not align (none / 0) (#106)
    by vicndabx on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:15:10 AM EST
    with recent reporting.

    As the head of the State Department it was HRC who had final say on what the department would deem "classified"

    What you suggest is she would need to make determinations in real-time as she sent or received info.

    I could see her doing what you describe in the context of a review w/staff who actually know what's what.  Surely you know that those in leadership positions don't reach these conclusions on their own.

    If you're saying she should be accountable for the agency she led at the time - that's a different matter and one I would agree with.

    However, it is different from your original comparison to Cheney and Libby.  What they did was illegal and clearly so.  What you are describing is a best a screw up by employees and the boss takes responsibility.  Hardly an uncommon occurrence.

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    Oy (none / 0) (#135)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:07:55 PM EST
    You're doubling down on the illogic, so... sticking with "oy".

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    Classified (none / 0) (#143)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:10:00 PM EST
    The Obama administration has prosecuted more individuals under the Espionage Act of 1917 for improperly handling classified information than all previous administrations combined.

    NSA whistleblower Tom Drake, for instance, faced years in prison, and ultimately had his career destroyed, based on the Obama DOJ's claims that he "mishandled" classified information (it included information that was not formally classified at the time but was retroactively decreed to be such). Less than two weeks ago, "a Naval reservist was convicted and sentenced for mishandling classified military materials" despite no "evidence he intended to distribute them." Last year, a Naval officer was convicted of mishandling classified information also in the absence of any intent to distribute it.

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    I think all of us here at TL should chip in (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:42:04 PM EST
    and get Jim and Mordiggian a room.

    Let oculus knock on the door occasionally (none / 0) (#200)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 at 08:23:14 AM EST
    You have meddled with ... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 05:55:12 PM EST
    ... the primal forces of nature, Ms. Merritt -- AND YOU. WILL. ATONE.

    Sincerely yours,
    Microsoft

    Seriously, though, Jeralyn, be advised that Microsoft ceased its mainstream support of Windows 7 as of January 13 of this year, although the company will continue to provide security updates until January 14, 2020.

    We were already planning to purchase new PCs and laptops for the firm in October, and by then, all will likely have Windows 10 already installed as the operating system.

    May I ask if you had any other specific complaints about Windows 10, aside from the Microsoft account linkage and your name in the browser? Hopefully, it didn't crash your hard drive.

    I'm holding off on any upgrades for our present computers at home, until I see how well everyone likes and adjusts to Windows 10. Your own experience appears to have been rather disconcerting.

    Aloha.

    I had no (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:01:58 PM EST
    choice but to reinstall Windows 7. When you are under warranty and your hard drive fails, they will only replace it with the same operating system that came on the machine. Mine came with   two operating systems,  windows 8.1 and 7 Professional, and you just choose the first time you turn it on. I of course didn't want Windows 8 and chose Windows 7 Professional -- and that's why I have to do windows 7 again on the new drive.

    It also has two hard drives, a 256 mg solid state, which is the one I had to replace, and a 2 TB Sata hard drive. The only thing on the solid state drive is the operating system and programs. The other drive has all my data and stuff. (That's how they come from Dell.)

    The drive didn't fail as in stop working. It failed a "stress threshold " diagnostic test which means it could fail tomorrow or 3 months from now. If you wait until it actually fails, it's much worse, so since it was still  under warranty, and Dell was willing to send a guy out to replace it, I took them up on it.

    There were more than 300 updates to Windows 7 and Microsoft Office that had to be installed on the new drive today -- then I had to do my programs (I still haven't done the printer, scanner and labeler.)

    So it's not that there was anything wrong with Windows 10 -- I liked it other than the fact that I felt like every keystroke was being monitored by Microsoft -- and eventually I'll reinstall it -- just not today, after doing 300 plus windows 7 updates, etc.

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    Thank you for the clarification, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:31:52 PM EST
    You've certainly had more than your share of bad luck lately with computers. I hope all these problems get resolved soon.

    My eldest daughter is our resident tech guru, having graduated with a B.S. in IT. And, I might add, out of the 27 SUNY-Albany undergrads who received degrees in that particular field that year, she was the only female.

    She's wicked smart about this stuff, and my partner and I have actually contracted her as our firm's tech consultant, which she does on the side in addition to her full-time job in the IT Dept. at Bank of Hawaii.

    Also, thank you for the reassurance about Windows 10.

    Aloha.

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    Odd (none / 0) (#107)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:16:03 AM EST
    I actually don't find that reassuring. I don't like this at all.
    I felt like every keystroke was being monitored by Microsoft

    If/when I get a new laptop I'll either go Mac or use the username "System"

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    I think there's a difference between ... (none / 0) (#132)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 03:50:01 PM EST
    ... "feeling like" Microsoft is counting your keystrokes and monitoring your computer sessions, and the company actually doing do. In her original statement, Jeralyn noted her discomfort at having everything in a single Microsoft account. That I would assume includes MS Outlook and Cloud, as well as other MS services and products associated with Windows 10. But since I'm already using most of those services and products, I really don't have a problem with that.

    We ALL probably need to be a lot more aware and circumspect about how, why, when where and to whom we divulge our most personal or privileged information. As we likely already know, there are a lot of bad actors out there in the late Sen. Ted Stevens' "nothing but a series of tubes," otherwise known as the internet. It's not just Microsoft, if you so choose to lump them into that category.

    Personally, I do not choose to do so, but then we all have our preferences and quirks regarding what we will and will not do on your computers. I'm actually far more wary -- even paranoid, really -- about doing any sort of banking online, even though my daughter the BOH IT specialist rolls her eyes at me and insists that it's perfectly safe to do so. But that's just me, and I'm not likely to change on that particular subject, at least not for a while, anyway.

    I'm also not a Mac person, but again, that's personal preference. (I believe that most Mac users also have Windows as their operating platform.) Then again, who's to say that Apple isn't also monitoring the collective activities of its own substantial customer base, or that cable / satellite TV companies aren't paying attention to what their clientele are watching? Who knows, one day we might all wake up, and it'll simply be too late.

    But until then, please pass the popcorn.

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    Anyone see Donald's (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 06:58:27 PM EST
    press conference.  He speaking now on MSNBC.

    the man has skills.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:25:36 PM EST
    he doesn't appeal too much to the younger set. My 22 year old son walks in the house from work and turns on the TV and Donald is on. He says what's all this sh*t about Donald Trump. LOL. Zero interest in him or what he has to say.

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    All my nephews (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:27:37 PM EST
    think he is the risen Jesus.

    19-late 20s

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    I saw two Trump for President (none / 0) (#14)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:30:02 PM EST
    T-shirts at the Horseshoe Casino in Baltimore last weekend. Both twentysomething fratboy types.

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    Definitely (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:42:06 PM EST
    can see how he would appeal to frat boys though.

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    I'm at a point in my life right now where ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:35:45 PM EST
    ... the mere hint of Donald Trump on television has me reaching for the remote. Unfortunately, the other channels are nothing but variations of the same irritating theme, which leads me to believe that the rest of the news has apparently been cancelled for repeat showings of the movie "Jackass."

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    Donald Has His... (none / 0) (#78)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:45:33 AM EST
    ...Donald, and Scott W has his Scott W.

    Sucks doesn't it, plus both Scott W's are from the WI.

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    Chris Hayes (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:03:22 PM EST
    is interviewing Larry Lessig tonight.

    Everyone (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:46:25 PM EST
    shoukd watch the Lessig interview.

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    Hayes/Lessig interview (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    The Clintons will hand over ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:26:21 PM EST
    ... their private server to the U.S. Justice Dept. Finally, the American people will learn some very hard truths about what really happened during the initial planning stages for Chelsea's wedding.

    Well (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:38:49 PM EST
    hopefully it will be gone over and then that's the end of hearing this stupid email story.

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    Can't wait to learn about (none / 0) (#8)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 07:39:49 PM EST
    the struggle over eggshell vs beige for the linen table covers at the reception.

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    Server (none / 0) (#11)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:08:04 PM EST
    The FBI is looking into this as top secret information was sent by email, found in 2 of the 4  e mails noted as having classified information. I believe Joe Biden is making a lot more phone calls  tonight.
    Also, the State Department just admitted that China has hacked the private e mail of many senior  officials, from 2010 on.
    This will be a ongoing story , for quite a while

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    "top secret" (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:54:53 PM EST
    Really?

    Just another embellishment.

    The State Department does not send top secret information via its .gov email.  They use cables...

    That is why this whole email thing is so bogus....  

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    This is (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:57:38 PM EST
    a lie shopped by right wing media. One of the Republicans is saying one of the four emails is "top secret" even though nobody else thinks that. LOL.

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    Top Secret (none / 0) (#63)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:34:48 AM EST
    That is why this may be as serious as originally expected. And more e mails , classified and Top Secret most likely will be found out of the 55k turned over.

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    For the record, the State Dept.'s own IG ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:16:13 AM EST
    ... is still not backing down in its dispute of the Intelligence Community IG's contention that any of the four e-mails in question should even be listed as "classified," never mind at the highest level of "top secret." From McClatchy DC:

    "An impasse remains between the State Department and the Intelligence Community's inspector general over whether the intelligence watchdog should be provided copies of emails due to jurisdictional issues. The State Department has provided records to its Inspector General. ... Revelations that dozens of Clinton's emails now include classified information has prompted an FBI inquiry into whether classified information was improperly stored on her private server and a thumb drive held by her attorney. The news has sparked fear among national security experts that the federal government's secrets may have been exposed or even hacked. However, the two inspectors general said the material in Clinton's email was not marked as classified at the time." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Thus, it's important to understand the following two points:

    • These select four e-mails were not subsequently designated as "classified" by the Intelligence Community IG until well over two years after Mrs. Clinton left the State Dept.; and

    • The State Dept. IG is still disputing this retroactive finding by the Intelligence Community IG, a significant difference of opinion which has yet to be resolved between the two.

    In other words, what's been breathlessly misreported in certain circles as some sort of an exclusive inquiry into Mrs. Clinton's use of a private e-mail account to transmit classified information, is actually a jurisdictional battle between two distinct federal agencies over whether or not the State Dept. has both the primary responsibility and the final say in determining what information relevant to that agency should and should not be designated as "classified."

    Further, what's also not generally being reported by the media is the confirmation by the Office of the Inspector General that it is presently conducting a general but thorough review of ALL communications hardware and software used by at least five Secretaries of State and their immediate staffs -- not just Mrs. Clinton's.

    Thus, it's quite likely that this latest leak of "information" by select congressional offices on Capitol Hill is nothing but baseless partisan speculation, motivated to great extent by the obvious desire of certain parties to erode Mrs. Clinton's standing in the political polls.

    Aloha.

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    Oh, please! (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:17:58 PM EST
    First of all, we've long suspected that Russian hackers -- not Chinese -- breached the State Department's unclassified e-mail system in the fall of 2014. Note the date of that breach, which is some 18 months after Mrs. Clinton stepped down as Secretary of State.

    The Obama administration has further voiced its suspicions that Chinese hackers breached security at the U.S. Office of Personnel Management to access private information and records of about 4 million federal employees, although China has since strongly denied these allegations.

    While I'll assume that you were likely confused and mistakenly conflated the two incidents, I would nevertheless strongly note that they were entirely separate from one another.

    Secondly, those four particular e-mails in question were classified retrospectively by the Intelligence Community Inspector General (IC IG), long after Mrs. Clinton had already turned over her 55,000 work-related e-mails from the Clinton Foundation's server to the State Dept. and had relinquished her post to John Kerry.

    Further, although the IC IG insists that all four e-mails contained classified information, the State Department has taken rather vigorous exception to that particular opinion, having determined during its own prior review that they needn't have been classified.

    In other words, we're talking about a turf battle between two federal agencies over each other's retroactive review of Mrs. Clinton's 55,000 e-mails, and not about a breach of national security. Through not fault of her own, Mrs. Clinton happens to be caught in the middle of it.

    Since you weren't around at the time, I'll just note for your benefit that TalkLeft contributor Armando Llorens, aka "Big Tent Democrat," has already discussed this issue in rather lengthy detail, in two separate posts at TL on July 24 and 25. They can be found HERE and HERE, respectively.

    I would strongly urge you to read both of them, because right now you're insinuating wrongdoing on Mrs. Clinton's part without offering any evidence at all to that effect, and you are seriously misinformed regarding the actual timeline of events per the classification of those e-mails.

    Aloha.

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    China Hack Top Secret (2.00 / 1) (#62)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:31:22 AM EST
    Actually, recent reports stated that 2 of the e mails were should have been classified Top Secret, far above classified, and usually are not classified Top Secret in fact" It appears Madame Secretary typed info from classified documents into her  emails.
    I am sorry, I will bring you up to date. Yesterday, Sec State Kerry admitted that China has been hacking the "private e mail accounts" odf senior Administration officials. They also stated that the .gov accounts were not hacked, due to better security. China most likely already has all of the "deleted e mails". OPM is another story alltogether.
    Everything Hillary has claimed in her March UN address has been proven false. And this information will be updated goiung forward, and there will be more Classified and Top Secret information found on Clinton e mails. This is not going away, and I guess Biden may actually be receiving phone calls requesting that he be ready as a back up

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    Nope (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:18:50 AM EST
    There's nothing about her typing classified info into a document. Interesting once the conspiracy theorists start running with the story it gets more secret and more secret.

    This is the same four emails that the IG was talking about weeks ago. Apparently Trey Gowdy is now saying "top secret" when a week ago everybody was fighting over whether it's classified or not.

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    Top Secret (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:11:45 AM EST
    Actually, this came from the Senate Intelligence Committee. Top Secret Documents are not sent via e mail,
    Top Secret information found on e mails had to get into the e mail via what process?
    Some one read a Top Secret document and passed some of the info on via e mail,

    Correct?

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    Nope (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:18:06 AM EST
    it's about the classification of the same four emails.

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    You're not bringing anyone "up to date." (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:22:41 AM EST
    Rather, you're proving yourself to be nothing more than a willing conduit for rank partisan speculation from Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Chuck Grassley (R-IA).

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    China Hack Up to Date (3.50 / 2) (#145)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:24:47 PM EST
    No, I am patiently trying to bring you up to date. You stated I confused the Russian hacking with my statement that Sec State Kerry yesterday admitted that CHINA has been hacking the PRIVATE e mail accounts of senior government officials.
    So, most likely China  already has Hillary's deleted e mails from her scrubbed server.
    NBC News reported this week that the government has determined Chinese hackers have been snooping on the personal email accounts of top U.S. officials since 2010.

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    "So, most likely China... " (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:21:16 PM EST
    Most likely...  you have no idea.

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    Well, Current Secy of State (3.50 / 2) (#197)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 13, 2015 at 06:17:36 AM EST
    Well, if he believes they are reading his, they most likely read hers. And they have been doing this since 2010. But we can always whistle past the graveyard and say , nah, they never read hers

    Washington (CNN)Secretary of State John Kerry said that Chinese and Russian hackers are probably reading his emails -- and he writes messages assuming they are.

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    That's why Hillary had her own server (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 at 07:43:55 AM EST
    Because as BTD pointed out in one of his threads, .gov accounts have been hacked into in the past.

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    I have (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:20:58 PM EST
    to say what is wrong with this IG? He or she spent a ton of time saying the four emails were classified and now has upped the ante to saying they were "top secret". So either the IG didn't know what he was talking about the first time or he's playing politics with the emails.

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    Classified versus Top Secret (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:06:06 AM EST

    There is no contradiction. "Classified" refers to material classified at any level. "Top Secret" is a specific level of classification.

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    And for the record, Abdul, ... (none / 0) (#112)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:36:15 AM EST
    ... the State Dept.'s own Inspector General is not only disputing the retroactive finding by the Intelligence Community IG that these four e-mails should be so designated as "classified" or even "top secret," he is also directly challenging the Intelligence Community's attempt to assert jurisdictional authority over the State Dept.'s own internal and external communications.

    This is a turf battle between two federal agencies, with Mrs. Clinton caught in the middle. And again, it is important to note that none of the e-mails in question were designated as "classified" by the Intelligence Community IG until well over two years after Mrs. Clinton's departure from the State Dept.

    Aloha.

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    All true (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 12:25:03 PM EST
    and not germane to AAA's point in this particular comment. Which is that
    "Classified" refers to material classified at any level. "Top Secret" is a specific level of classification.
    It's rare enough that AAA says anything that moves me to rate it upwards.

    His comment is perfectly accurate as it stands. Don't muddy the waters by conflating it with his other drivel :\

    Parent

    ... information that's deemed "classified" and "top secret." But if you read further down the thread, he's making the insinuation that Mrs. Clinton knowingly mishandled top secret information by failing to properly classify it as such before transmitting it via e-mail.

    Therefore, my response to him -- which you deem "drivel" -- is in fact entirely relevant, because how could she have ever knowingly done so, when (a) it's not her job to do that; and (b) the IC IG never even attempted to classify those communications as such until well after she already left office?

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Read sj's comment again, Donald; (none / 0) (#123)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    she wasn't calling your response "drivel," she was asking you not to conflate what Abdul wrote with his other drivel - meaning he's the drivel-writer, not you.

    And now that I've typed "drivel" this many times, the word has lost all meaning.

    I hate it when that happens.

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    what Anne said (none / 0) (#124)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:12:34 PM EST
    But this is completely wrong:
    [new] Abdul is only making a distinction between ... (none / 0) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 12:43:50 PM MDT

    ... information that's deemed "classified" and "top secret."

    He is saying that there is no distinction between "classified" and "top secret". Which is absolutely true. "Top secret" is simply one level of classification.

    A thing can be classified, for example, as Top Secret, Secret, Restricted, etc.

    I worked with a slightly different classification hierarchy which frankly you're not cleared to hear about.

    And I don't care what he says further down. Right here he is absolutely correct. You should be quiet now and let him have that.

    Parent

    I'm sorry that I jumped the gun like that. I'm just getting tired of watching people like Abdul continuously misrepresent what's actually happening here in order to suit their own personal agenda.

    National security matters should not be bounced about in public like some sort of a political volleyball, and that's what this issue has become. If there's an actual problem with government communications and security, then I want the people responsible for that security to fix it.

    What I don't at all appreciate is the ongoing public speculation and accompanying innuendo which suggests that Mrs. Clinton is somehow guilty of wrongdoing here, when there is absolutely no evidence to support any such intimation.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    AAA was trying to explain (none / 0) (#191)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:41:51 PM EST
    that there are different types of CLASSIFIED material.

    Some is rated Confidential, some Secret, Some Top Secret, some Crypto Secret, some "Eyes Only," etc.

    And let me add that the various designations may/probably been changed/expanded, etc. since I left.

    In fact, even the disposal of certain types of "equipment/material" was specified/supervised to insure certain things.

    So when it said that Hillary's email had Classified information the actual rating may be Confidential to ant of the higher levels..e.g. Top Secret.

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    I believe we should henceforth call it ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:41:12 PM EST
    ... "The Gowdy Doody Show," simply because you-know-who is the likely source of all this leaked misinformation.

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    Probably (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:45:58 PM EST
    Gowdy seems awfully desperate. The problem is he doesn't realize that a quarter century of this kind of stuff has pretty much inoculated the Clintons. So unless he has some sort of smoking gun nobody is going to pay attention to him. Even Bloomberg news had a tone in their story of "I don't believe" the IG.

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    Trey Gowdy was sent on a fool's errand ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:58:18 PM EST
    ... by the GOP House leadership. No doubt, it's been a rather thankless task, made all the more so by the ham-handed bullschitt shenanigans of his predecessor, Darrell Issa. Still, if he was idiotic enough to take it on at their behest, he deserves all the catcalls and brickbats he gets.

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    Hillary will end up (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:52:53 PM EST
    being the only Presidential candidate that had to hand over all her private emails....

    But this will never satisfy the haters, which includes the NY Times....

    Parent

    Yeah (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:56:01 PM EST
    but when the DOJ goes through everything and says there is nothing at least it will shut some of them up.

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    Oh, there will be something (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:58:38 PM EST
    Hillary schedules seance to talk to Vince Foster.

    Hillary secret tryst with Oprah Winfrey....

    Hillary sends birthday greetings to Sidney Blumenthal.

    Hillary sends secret message to Martians for rendezvous......

    Parent

    Well maybe, (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:01:21 PM EST
    we'll get to see some cute grand-baby pictures.

    Parent
    suing a city re a unconst law (none / 0) (#9)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:02:23 PM EST
    So, supposing you wish to sue a city in state court
    for an unconst. law.  Does anyone wish to volunteer the general case as to whether or not you sue
    the city itself or the city attorney or is that immaterial?

    Jeralyn has made clear (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:53:39 PM EST
    that the many fine attorneys who participate as commenters on this blog will NOT give legal advice for anyone's individual case or intended/hoped-for case, Zaitz. You keep asking, but you will not get anyone to answer you. Those are the rules of the house. As lawyers, we are all too rules-oriented to break them. Among other reasons.

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    ooh, ooh, (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:59:55 PM EST
    Mr. Kotter, please call on me.

    Can I comment on suing City Attorneys?

    Parent

    thanks . . . with an observation . . . (none / 0) (#41)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:23:09 PM EST
    As a non-lawyer proceeding pro se,

    I filed two suits in federal court back in '03.

    One of them was against the proper party and the federal courts seem to have an obligation to waive service under some circumstances . . .

    One of them was against the chief of police who had been misapplying the IE law to a particular situation.  The mere fact of the publicity of the case exposed what was happening not right and the purpose of the suit was accomplished by the publicity and public discussion resulting . . .

    in '14 I sued two entities, the state and the city . . . or rather, I sued the AG and the City Attorney . . . I almost had the suit tossed due to failure to serve in the manner prescribed by law . . . but within the 90 days expected, additional facts came to light that substantially strengthened my claim to the point that the suit as such as no longer necessary--merely informing the defendants of the additional facts was overwhelming and accomplished the purpose of the suit.

    back in '03 one of the suits was against the state to have a law declared unconstitutional . . . a lawyer who had recently won a similar case in a different state said/recommended I sue the county DA and those in privity with him . . . and at least as far as the federal court was concerned, that was just fine . . .

    At least some of you should like the idea of an occasional suit against a city or county or state for unconstitutional laws . . . and in 1st amendment or other similar-amendment violations . . .  you folks, or some of you, speaking of lawyers and helpers who post short pages on the web of how-to, seem to not have put up much on the subject of suing a state, city or county for unconstitutional laws . . .

    I suppose I could ask it this way . . .

    Does anyone know where I could read the first complaint filed out in Florida in erznoznik v. jacksonville a number of years ago?  Not the final SCoTUS decision, but the initial complaint filed at the local or district court level . . .

    Though I realize there is some service and I can pay $10 or 20 or whatever and read a bunch of federal court filings to my hearts content . . .

    Seattle is newly going to try to tax gun sales, and that is not a suit of interest to me, but whatever attorney handles that is probably also one who would know "whom" I would sue for my purpose.

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    oh boy, wow . . . (none / 0) (#44)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:29:34 PM EST
    Now, I see that erznoznik v. jacksonville actually began not with a 1st amendment challenge in civil court, but as a defense against a criminal prosecution!

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    Well, I can safely advise that getting yourself (none / 0) (#50)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:53:32 PM EST
    arrested would certainly solve all your problems with standing, sovereign immunity, ripeness, service of process, and other civil procedure pitfalls and bugaboos.

    Parent
    I've heard that (none / 0) (#52)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:58:36 PM EST
    I've heard that a few times, but I would rather avoid that route  . . .

    Parent
    btw . . . (none / 0) (#71)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:42:18 AM EST
    Standing I consider solved; sovereign immunity is either solved or the court can rule; ripeness the same;

    I hope to be suing the city, not over a cracked sidewalk which led to someone falling, but over a law which is not constitutionally sound!

    Parent

    fiorina rising . . . (none / 0) (#10)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:03:53 PM EST
    the rachel maddow show is being hosted by some guy this evening and this guy is saying that Fiorina is now in the top 4 or 5 rep candidates . . .

    the race seems to be trump, rubio and Fiorina!

    Ari (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:29:14 PM EST
    is a clueless ass.

    IMO of course.

    Parent

    ari? (none / 0) (#15)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:30:55 PM EST
    I think one of the wh press secretaries was named ari, but I am not sure I know your ari . . . should I?

    Parent
    Ari Melber (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:32:07 PM EST
    is hosting Rachel Maddow tonight

    Parent
    She's as generally horrid as the rest. (none / 0) (#18)
    by magster on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:35:48 PM EST
    Fishcamp, the analysis guy (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:34:01 PM EST
    and I finally hooked up about Medicare Supplemental Insurance premiums.

    His answer was that insurance companies file their cost based on counties and, in some cases, zip codes. So large disparities can exist based on the costs incurred which is largely based on age. (Surprise surprise. Old people use more health care.)

    I did some light digging and found that Key West's 65 and older population is around 13% of the total. The county I live in shows about 19%. But the real difference is in the obesity figures. FL is 37th. TN is 4th. Fat people are sicker and have more problems.

    So there you go. AARP says that where you live costs them less so you pay less.

    I wonder when all these articles on retirement will factor that in.

    Is our commission doing an acceptable job of regulating the insurance companies? I don't know. But I'm gonna run down my state rep and start stirring the pot. (No pun intended.)

    And I think it is beyond obvious that we need a national market for health insurance at all levels.

    Wrong (none / 0) (#21)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:48:46 PM EST
    Link

    Candidates Without a Clue

    This post first appeared on the Center for Public Integrity website.
    .................

    What the GOP seems to want to do is the opposite of what the party normally espouses: that the federal government should stay out of the states' affairs as much as possible. What Republicans apparently desire is to have the federal government force the states into allowing insurers licensed elsewhere to sell whatever they want to sell in every state -- regardless of the individual states' laws and regulations. A lot of state lawmakers and regulators don't like that idea at all. It essentially would take away their ability to set their own standards for insurance company solvency as well as for the adequacy of the plans out-of-state insurers might want to sell.

    Many consumer groups are also opposed. They fear it would open the door once again to the marketing of junk policies that don't provide much coverage, a door the Affordable Care Act closed, and for good reason.

    Aside from that, however, history has shown that even when states throw out the welcome mat to out-of-state insurers, insurers don't rush in. In fact, as Georgia found out a few years ago, not a single insurer from any of its neighboring states applied to sell coverage in the Peach State even after lawmakers there said, essentially, "y'all come on over."

    Here's why. For an insurer to succeed in any given market, it has to have a sizable base of enrollees. And insurers know you can't just wish that into being. The selling-coverage-across-state-lines idea runs into a chicken-and-egg dilemma. You have to have thousands -- maybe even tens or hundreds of thousands -- of customers in order to negotiate good discounts with local doctors and hospitals. Insurers need good discounts from providers to be able to offer policies at a competitive price. If they can't get those discounts, they won't be able to sell coverage at or below the premiums set by more well-established insurers. Who would want to buy a policy from a newcomer that charged more than a company you were already familiar with? Not enough to make moving into another state worthwhile. About the only time that has happened successfully is when another insurer is able to buy an already established insurer. But that, of course, would defeat the purpose of allowing coverage to be sold across state lines.

    This idea is based on the belief that the more insurers there are in a given market competing for business, the less health insurance will cost. But no one who knows how health insurance really works would make that argument. Big hospitals and physician practices might like it because few if any of the insurers would be able to negotiate from a position of strength. Not only would premiums not fall, they probably would go up. Chances are the amount we spend on health care would go up too, for another reason: higher administrative costs. Imagine how many more people a doctor would have to hire just to deal with a boatload of new insurers. Or to deal with a bunch of politicians who don't know what they're talking about.



    Parent
    Mordiggian, I have ignored (2.00 / 1) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 11:00:06 PM EST
    you for quite a while in the hope that you would quit being my Shadow and just go away. And why not? I mean your comments have been juvie at best. But, on this point I gotta tell you.

    I don't care what the Demos or the Repubs think about a national insurance market. I especially don't care what a blog thinks when it claims that it is impossible to have a national market. What nonsense. It is like they have never heard of computers.

    Let's look at some of their nonsense.

    "Here's why. For an insurer to succeed in any given market, it has to have a sizable base of enrollees. And insurers know you can't just wish that into being. The selling-coverage-across-state-lines idea runs into a chicken-and-egg dilemma."

    Every major insurance company has in place right now agents in all the states. All they have to do is start basing their rates on a national basis rather than a county basis. And since they have the county/zip code basis all they have to do is....are you ready for this???....ADD them up.

    Now, will their success be guaranteed? No. But that's what a free market is about. These people, and you, want a small market controlled by small groups within each state. Those that fail on the national basis will be replaced by others.

    And you want local watch dogs??? Well, again. WE ALREADY HAVE THEM IN EACH STATE.THEY'RE INSURANCE COMMISSIONS. PART OF THEIR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CONSUMER. THEY CAN RIDE HERD ON THE COMPANIES AND WORK WITH THE FEDS.

    So please, quit playing gotcha games by quoting ridiculous articles that can be refuted by an old man in 10 minutes when it is way past his bed time.

    You may not return to your zingers and other wasted time.

    Parent

    Your comment just proves that you (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:51:14 AM EST
    really do not understand how this insurance thing works.

    Mandates vary from state to state, jim, and insurance companies wanting to sell across state lines will be governed by the mandates and regulations in the state which is considered its principal place of business.  

    If you are an insurance company looking to make money - and is there one that isn't? - you are going to set up in states with the fewest mandates and the least regulation. so that you can get the most profit from the least amount of coverage you're required to provide.

    Selling across state lines is not for the benefit of policyholders, it is for the benefit of the insurance company.

    Seems like a diehard single-payer proponent like yourself would understand how selling across state lines undermines people's access to and the affordability of care.

    That you don't just means you perfectly fit the Urban Dictionary's definition of "blivet."

    Parent

    anne, let me be blunt (2.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:02:21 PM EST
    This is about Medicare Supplemental Insurance and has nothing what so ever to do with Obamacare.

    As such, the requirements are defined totally by the Feds and have been for years. There are no state variations.

    That undermines, destroys, lays to waste your specious claims.

    As I noted to Fishcamp, the various companies base their premiums on the county, in some cases Zip codes.

    By going to a national basis the risk/cost will be spread over a larger group and premiums will reflect the larger group.

    If you don't understand that then you have no concept of insurance.

    As for the personal insult it merely reflects who and what you are.


    Parent

    You need to go back and read your (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:24:40 PM EST
    own comments, jim, and try harder to read all the words of what others are writing.

    I wasn't discussing Obamacare, jim; nowhere in my comment did I reference it.  The issue was selling insurance across state lines, which you raised with some half-baked proposals for how it would work, which were not based in reality.  And I and others provided you with ample reasons why that is a bad idea for consumers.

    Maybe some people are confused by the rhetorical rope-a-dope you try to run when you get all tangled up in your garble, but it doesn't work here.

    Parent

    Golly gee anne, here I thought you (1.00 / 1) (#161)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:39:02 PM EST
    could read and cipher. We aren't talking about generic insurance or Obamacare... Fishcamp and I were talking about Medicare Supplemental Insurance which is has been defined by the Feds for years and years and is the same in all states.

    The issue is how do you reduce premiums.

    Simple. Instead of letting the insurance companies cheery pick, make them spread the cost across their total customer base.

    And if you think United Health Care or CIGNA couldn't go national in a heart beat you know zip about business...particularly since they already have sales people in every state they do business in selling Medicare Supplemental Insurance.

    Parent

    Oh he uses bold type (none / 0) (#178)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:37:46 PM EST
    That Elle,U.S. How serious he is!

    Parent
    I use (none / 0) (#187)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:16:19 PM EST
    bold for emphasis when trying to make a point clear.... and with you that means it needs to be used a lot.

    Parent
    Oh, your super-patriot ways (none / 0) (#190)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:33:49 PM EST
    and implications here and there that the rest of us are deluded fools and cowards is crystal-clear, Jim.

    Parent
    How can they ride herd and regulate (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 12:39:00 AM EST
    A company running in another state?

    As usual, you make no sense whatsoever, Jim.  Grow up and grow a hide, if you can.

    Parent

    Why don't you try reading (none / 0) (#156)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:19:52 PM EST
    THEY CAN RIDE HERD ON THE COMPANIES AND WORK WITH THE FEDS.

    At the risk of, again, explaining such basics to you as what homicide means and that deficit and debt are two different things, to no avail.....

    ....I cannot believe that you cannot conceive of a stage agency receiving complaints and forwarding them to a federal agency. If so, try to think of the state police forwarding information to the FBI.

    But the mystery of all of this is why that you,who claim to be a liberal, object to lowering costs and improving oversight of Medicare Supplemental Insurance providers.

    I think you just want to argue, which is proven by the fact that you follow me around like a fice dog biting me on the ankle."

    lol

    Now bless your heart, you all have a nice day!

    Parent

    Sorry, but insurance is regulated by (none / 0) (#177)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:35:46 PM EST
    The states, and the Feds can't interfere:

    The United States Supreme Court found in the 1944 case of United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association that the business of insurance was subject to federal regulation under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.[13] The United States Congress, however, responded almost immediately with the McCarran-Ferguson Act in 1945.[14] The McCarran-Ferguson Act specifically provides that the regulation of the business of insurance by the state governments is in the public interest. Further, the Act states that no federal law should be construed to invalidate, impair or supersede any law enacted by any state government for the purpose of regulating the business of insurance, unless the federal law specifically relates to the business of insurance.[15]

    Bless your heart for your concern, Jim,  but I did admit to my mistake, when have you ever even admitted to one here?

    Sorry my citing the facts all time seems to get on your nerves.  Take it up,with Jeralyn the next time it happens.

    Parent

    Then all the federal laws and regulations (none / 0) (#193)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:50:29 PM EST
    relating to MediGap polices and Medicare Advantage must be illegal.... of course there is that last sentence

    no federal law should be construed to invalidate, impair or supersede any law enacted by any state government for the purpose of regulating the business of insurance, unless the federal law specifically relates to the business of insurance.


    Parent
    Which is what you would need to pass (none / 0) (#195)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:16:20 PM EST
    the Congress and signed into law before the FBI could get involved in any health insurance investigations across state lines.

    Thanks for making my point for me.  Perhaps you're the one who needs reading lessons?

    Parent

    But allowing sales across state lines... (none / 0) (#91)
    by unitron on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:19:34 AM EST
    ...means they all move to the state with the most lax regulation (or crookedest insurance commissioner) and sell from there.

    Parent
    Exactomundo! (none / 0) (#113)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:38:44 AM EST
    Uh, Medicare Supplemental Insurance (none / 0) (#158)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:30:31 PM EST
    is, and has been for years and years, defined by the Feds. The policy you buy in CA has the same benefits as the policy you buy in AL.

    The difference is how the premiums are calculated....See my above comment to Fishcamp...

    Parent

    uh, no (none / 0) (#167)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:01:08 PM EST

    Generally, when you buy a Medigap policy you must have Medicare Part A and Part B. You will have to pay the monthly Medicare Part B premium ($96.40 in 2011 for most beneficiaries). In addition, you will have to pay a premium to the Medigap insurance company. As long as you pay your premium, your Medigap policy is guaranteed renewable. This means it is automatically renewed each year. Your coverage will continue year after year as long as you pay your premium. In some states, insurance companies may refuse to renew a Medigap policy bought before 1992.(Ed)

    Insurance companies can only sell you a "standardized" Medigap policy. Medigap policies must follow Federal and state laws.(Ed) These laws protect you. The front of a Medigap policy must clearly identify it as "Medicare Supplement Insurance."



    Parent
    Sorry, forgot (none / 0) (#169)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:16:53 PM EST
    The link.

    An example of one difference between California, and, let's say, Alabama:

    Although Medicare is a federal program, some states have regulations regarding its administration. California has a unique supplement law known as the birthday rule that allows residents to enroll for Medicare supplements with a different insurance company for 30 days following their birthday. The new Medigap plan must offer either the same benefits or fewer benefits, and companies are not allowed to deny new applicants for health reasons.

    Q: What laws regulate the sale of Medigap insurance and the people who sell it?
    A: California Insurance Code (CIC) sections 10192.1-10192.24 set out the laws regarding Medicare Supplement policies. These sections include, but are not limited to, agent and insurer conduct regarding policy purchase and replacements, policy requirements and prohibitions, plans, claims handling, commissions, penalties, disclosures, advertisements, and marketing, to name a few. All agents marketing and selling Medicare insurance products should be well versed in the changes to these laws and the standards (roles, responsibilities and ethical duties) under which the agents must operate.

    PDF link

    I repeat, you should research these things to avoid making blanket and inaccurate statements, as you have in the present case.

    Parent

    Here be the facts (none / 0) (#186)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:13:36 PM EST
    A. There are very big differences between these two types of insurance, although both are options for people with Medicare. Technically, only medigap counts as "Medicare supplemental insurance" -- in fact, that's its formal name -- but Medicare Advantage plans may provide some extra benefits that could be considered as supplementing Medicare.

    Medigap can be used only by people enrolled in traditional Medicare. It is not a government-run program, but private insurance you can purchase to cover some or most of your out-of-pocket expenses in traditional Medicare. These may include Part B costs, like the 20 percent you'd otherwise pay for physician visits and other outpatient services, the Part A hospital deductible ($1,216 in 2014 for each hospital benefit period), most of the cost of medical emergencies abroad and certain other outlays, depending on which kind of policy you choose. Each of the 10 types of medigap policies is standardized by law -- meaning the benefits of each are the same, regardless of which insurer sells it. But insurers still charge widely different premiums, so it pays to shop around.

    Now Medicare Advantage plans, which got robbed of some $700,000,000 of funds by Obamacare, is different.

    Medicare Advantage comprises a variety of private health plans -- most often HMOs and PPOs -- that Medicare offers as a coverage alternative to the traditional program. Every plan must cover all the same benefits that traditional Medicare covers. But the plans can charge different copayments (often lower than the traditional program but not always) and offer extra benefits.

    Link

    Now what does CA offer that is different? From your link.

    the birthday rule that allows residents to enroll for Medicare supplements with a different insurance company for 30 days following their birthday.

    When you can enroll. That doesn't change the plan which is fixed by law.

    Now, quit trying to confuse the folks. And if you are near retirement I urge you to dig into what the facts are and start deciding which is best for you.

    Parent

    Yes, the benefits are fixed by federal law (none / 0) (#189)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:31:50 PM EST
    but the premiums and the like are regulated by the states, so, as an earlier commentator pointed out, there would be a race to the bottom by going to the states that allow the laxist regulation and no control on premium amou to.

    As for being confused, I'll leave that task in your always productive hands.  You seem to specialize in that sort of thing.

    Parent

    Jim, thanks for the info... (none / 0) (#27)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:56:32 PM EST
    Cyrptic. (none / 0) (#127)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:34:23 PM EST
    They had an exchange a few weeks back (none / 0) (#130)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 03:20:37 PM EST
    Microsoft 10 problems (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:50:32 PM EST
    I got the new Microsoft 10 because I bought a new laptop.

    One huge problem is that my outbound email gets stuck and will not be sent.  I called my internet service provide and they said it was a Microsoft 10 issue and there was no ability to set up or reconfigure outbound email.  So, I can't send email from home, only from work....

    I was told by Cox that they have had several calls regarding this...

    If you're truly stuck, set up a gmail account (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:09:31 PM EST
    it will follow you everywhere, from your phones to your tablets to your pc and back.  Google has the most robust distributed server architecture on the planet.  It may spy on your every emailed word - and use the data to insert ads into websites you browse, but it will never fail to deliver your mail.

    BTW, the assertion that there was "no ability to set up or reconfigure outbound email" is just plain silly.  What they're saying is that they or whoever you spoke to doesn't know how to do it.

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    i do have that (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:23:54 PM EST
    Outlook is easier to read imo.

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    Is that because you use (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 08:56:51 PM EST
    an "email client" other than Outlook?

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    I use Outlook (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:08:51 PM EST
    for my laptop which is my traveling office.

    I  just finished carrying my laptop into my office from home for 3 minutes to send the 7 emails I had composed for work at home. Whoosh, the Wifi at work scooped them up and sent them out--the whole backed up que was sent in seconds.

    But I have Cox as my ISP at home, unlike work, which has super duper ISP.

    But I can use the Cox Webmail from home--but those emails show it was sent from my goofy Webmail address rather than my fancy, smancy work .com address.

    I have no idea if this is responsive to your question, but thought I would give it a try.

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    Yes, it is totally responsive (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:17:14 PM EST
    And conclusively establishes that I have nothing to help you.

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    sorry (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:22:19 PM EST
    never mind (none / 0) (#43)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:24:57 PM EST
    Look Into the Set-up... (none / 0) (#83)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:55:45 AM EST
    ...generally you can add the email address others see.

    So I could essentially use my work address as the outgoing email address for my Windstream account(DSL provider), so any email would appear that is came from work or what ever address I choose.

    I use neither, as Comcast really did a number on my email when I moved so for personal I switched to Gmail.  But that was years ago and I would never recommend Gmail for reasons mentioned above.

    You also have access to Microsoft's email suing your Live/Microsoft account.

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    listening to oral arg of Erznoznik (none / 0) (#46)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:37:17 PM EST
    Wow . . . so a person can hear the recorded oral arguments of some cases before the scotus . . . I have begun to listen to erznoznik v. jacksonville oral arguments before the scotus . . .

    How fun!

    what's funny (none / 0) (#53)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:04:44 PM EST
    anyway, I was listening to the oral arg of erznoznik and the lawyer for erznoznik refers to Cohen v California

    and it turns out that cohen v California has some wonderful sentences I might wish to include in my complaint, if and when I decide "whom" and "where" I am suing that "person."

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    cohen v california says . . . (none / 0) (#55)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:19:18 PM EST
     The ability of government, consonant with the Constitution, to shut off discourse solely to protect others from hearing it is, in other words, dependent upon a showing that substantial privacy interests are being invaded in an essentially intolerable manner. Any broader view of this authority would effectively empower a majority to silence dissidents simply as a matter of personal predilections.

    *

    Well, that sentence will be enough--I think--to give me victory in my complaint if I ever get it filed . . . or to force the city to revise its statute or "authoritatively construe" it in a limiting fashion.

    Of course, we will see . . . I do have a local lawyer moving in a very slow fashion to help me find the right party to sue . . . but she might take a week . . . she thinks she will know in a week; I hope she does not have as much trouble as I am having to find out if I sue "the city of Seattle" or "the Seattle city attorney . . ."

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    The Task Ahead For Carson, Fiorina, and Trump (none / 0) (#49)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 09:50:19 PM EST
    If you take all the candidates nominated for President by the Dems and Republicans since 1900 that haven't previously held Political Office, been a high ranking Government Official, or been a General, you are left with just one... Wendell Willkie in 1940*. Wilkie lost the General Election that year 54.7% to 44.8% in the popular vote and lost the electoral vote 449 to 82.

    Out of 58 candidates nominated by the two major political parties since 1900 that's just 1.7% in the category of Fiorina, Carson, and Trump and zero that ultimately were elected President.

    *Quick research, and welcome any correction.

    Note: As always, past performance is no guarantee of future results.


    Another (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:15:13 PM EST
    poster put up Fiorina's stances in the Trump thread. She would be the perfect VP for Trump. I have changed my mind. Her social stances are literally 19th century but I guess that must be for other women not herself. And then she supported the law in AZ that required all Hispanics to carry their papers with them everywhere they go. Her campaign for the senate in California was an exercise in failure because her political advisers were telling her everything she was doing wrong and she refused to listen to them.

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    Well at Some Point in Time... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:07:38 AM EST
    ....the odds were 0% and Willkie pulled it off.

    The problem with the two party system, we are one scandal away from electing someone the majority doesn't want for about a year, and that happens every four years.

    We were one scandal away from having Palin as VP, and one death form her running the country.  The problem IMO with the right getting behind lunacy, the odds, while slim, increase with every idiot they get behind.  I would imagine before I die we are going to have someone in the WH who has little experience, little intelligence, and makes rash decisions.  GWB-cubed.

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    From The Daily Mail (none / 0) (#56)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:28:52 PM EST
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 11, 2015 at 10:31:27 PM EST
    Not labeled as such (none / 0) (#61)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:52:56 AM EST
    as everyone agrees.

    She received the emails from other State employees and pass them on.....

    This will go nowhere.

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    Probably (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:40:57 AM EST
    but it's actually seven emails.

    Much of the classified information in the e-mail conversations originated with the CIA, according to two government officials familiar with the records. Some of the information was deemed to be classified by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's classification guidelines. The information included references to information related to satellite images and electronic communications, according to the officials.

    The findings by McCullough stemmed from his office's review of a sample of 40 of Clinton's ­e-mails. Previously, he had said that the sample included four classified e-mails, but on Tuesday he adjusted his assessment -- saying that intelligence agencies deemed two of those e-mails to have contained top-secret information.

    McCullough has asked for access to all of the e-mails to conduct a more thorough review but was denied by State Department officials in July.

    Last week, State Department spokesman John Kirby said that while the agency was working to "resolve whether, in fact, this material is actually classified, we are taking steps to ensure the information is protected and stored appropriately."

    McCullough also located two e-mails that included classified material from among a separate batch of 296 related to the 2012 attacks on U.S. outposts in Benghazi. One of those e-mails had been publicly released by the State Department, causing consternation within the intelligence community.

    He has also located one additional e-mail in the sample of 40 that was classified at the time it was sent but has since been declassified, suggesting that there is no longer a reason to protect the information or that it has since become public, two people familiar with the finding said.

    McCullough also told lawmakers that his reviewers found two e-mails they believe contain information that the State Department considers classified, and they have alerted the agency so it can conduct its own review.

    All told, McCullough has pointed to seven e-mails that he said contained classified information, including two with top-secret material.



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    It's also important to note the following: (none / 0) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 12:01:16 PM EST
    (1) The State Dept.'s Inspector General is disputing the retroactive finding by his counterpart in the Intelligence Community that these e-mails should be so designated as "classified" or even "top secret."

    (2) The State Dept. IG is also challenging the Intelligence Community's attempt to assert an exclusive jurisdictional authority over the State Dept.'s own internal and external communications.

    (3) None of the e-mails in question were so designated as "classified" or "top secret" by the Intelligence Community IG until well over two years after Mrs. Clinton's departure from the State Dept.

    As I said further upthread, this is a turf battle between two federal agencies, with Mrs. Clinton caught in the middle.

    Aloha.

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    The fact that she failed to properly (none / 0) (#74)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:21:24 AM EST

    The fact that she failed to properly classify and handle the material in her possession is is no defense.

    As a hypothetical assume she forwards an email with the current ICBM targeting list, do you really think it makes the slightest difference that the email message had no classification stamp?

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    So...if the sending/originating agency (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:47:55 AM EST
    didn't mark the material as classified or top secret, or at all, and the State Department contemporaneously upon receipt determines that is appropriate, the SoS is, what, supposed to mark it classified anyway just in case someone in the IG's office later decides it should have been marked classified by the originating sender?

    Is there someone on the originating/sending end, then, who is being charged with sending classified/top secret material via e-mail?  If so, I haven't heard that.

    You also seem to be operating under the assumption that everything was sent via e-mail, when we know that classified/top secret/sensitive materials were communicated in person or via cables, not e-mail.

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    Classified and E MAIL (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:15:36 PM EST
    That is the point. E mail is NOT used for classified information, any classified information is either presented in hard copy, or through a secure cable.
    So...any "classified information" found on e mails, had to be read from hard copy or a cable, and typed into e mail format.
    So, unless Madame ecy was just forwarding e mails with classified information on them, or she typed the email herself, adding classified info.

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    Right (2.00 / 1) (#146)
    by sj on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 05:49:24 PM EST
    So if email is not used for classified information, why is it that the spot light -- which didn't start to shine until two years later -- is not on the sender?

    The answer? Maybe that it wasn't classified at the time it was sent. And maybe is or is not classified even now. Depending on who you talk to.

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    Mishandling of Classified Information (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:26:26 PM EST
    Which is why the FBI is now involved. Were the emails sent, and or received? There were 4 out of 40 deemed classified (State Department is fighting it, it does not look good as it is their turf)

    However, the mere fact that potentially hundreds of e mails containing classified information (review of the other 30k e mails)sitting on a server in the Clintons backyard, or barn, I believe is a crime, the mishandling of classified information. The Obama Administration has prosecuted many for having classified information on their home computer, with no intent to disseminate it.
    Despite all the contrary opinions found here, I believe this is very serious.

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    They were forwared to Hillary (none / 0) (#153)
    by ding7777 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:54:10 PM EST
    "Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011, and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton," Kirby said Tuesday. "They were not marked as classified.
    "

    LINK

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    All the emails (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:57:19 PM EST
    were SENT to her from other people. And the fact of the matter is the State Department did not consider them classified. So you're saying it's a serious matter if the rules in place were followed but another Agency says hey, I disagree with those rules and I think you should do this that or the other?

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    Ga, we don;t yet know that all the emails (none / 0) (#164)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:50:48 PM EST
    were SENT to her from other people

    But we do know that they contained information that was classified and/or Top Secret of some variation thereof. By the fact that she established and maintained the system she enabled the sender.

    She is as guilty as a bartender who serves a drunk who subsequently kills someone.

    Now, if she later resent part or all of the information by copying selected parts or forwarding them she is guilty of violating the law.

    And ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

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    Crime (1.00 / 1) (#165)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:57:00 PM EST
    Just keeping classified information on a server in her home is a crime
    Mishandling of Classified Information

    And there is another 30k e mails to cull through

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    So now (none / 0) (#175)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:26:26 PM EST
    you're moving the goal posts again and no, the information was not classified. These emails went through a number of people before they even got to Hillary so they are probably on the state servers too.

    So you're pretty much saying that the entire state department committed a crime by doing their job.

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    Goalpost remain the same (none / 0) (#176)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:33:24 PM EST
    No, it is a crime to have classified information on a personal computer at your home. That has always been the case, no goalpost moving.

    The Obama administration has  prosecuted more individuals under the Espionage Act of 1917 for improperly handling classified information than all previous administrations combined.
    NSA whistleblower Tom Drake, for instance, faced years in prison, and ultimately had his career destroyed, based on the Obama DOJ's claims that he "mishandled" classified information (it included information that was not formally classified at the time but was retroactively decreed to be such). Less than two weeks ago, "a Naval reservist was convicted and sentenced for mishandling classified military materials" despite no "evidence he intended to distribute them." Last year, a Naval officer was convicted of mishandling classified information also in the absence of any intent to distribute it.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:24:44 PM EST
    we do. It's been reported that the emails went through several accounts at the state department before they ended up in Hillary's email.

    But whatever.

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    They contained informatiom (none / 0) (#179)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:43:28 PM EST
    that was classified after they were sent, and there is no indication that Hillary sent information using her e-mail, that she knew was classified, or received any e-mail that had information that was indicated to be classified or secret or whatever.

    You remind me of the Red Queen in Alice's Adventures
    Through the Looking Glass:  Verdict first, sentence after.

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    Mrs. Clinton did not send the e-mails, Jim. (none / 0) (#180)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:18:54 PM EST
    JimakaPPJ: "But we do know that they contained information that was classified and/or Top Secret of some variation thereof. By the fact that she established and maintained the system she enabled the sender. She is as guilty as a bartender who serves a drunk who subsequently kills someone."

    Rather, as BTD noted today, she was the recipient. Further, and apparently this cannot be repeated often enough to people like you, the emails in question were not designated by the Intelligence Community Inspector General (IC IG) as classified material by until just a few months ago, which was over two years after Mrs. Clinton stepped down as Secretary of State.

    So, how can Mrs. Clinton be guilty of mishandling classified / top secret information, as you so ignorantly contend, when said information was never deemed to be classified / top secret until 26 months after she left office?

    That would be like a police officer pulling you over and retroactively citing you for having run a stop sign at some street corner three months ago, even though said stop sign had not actually been installed at that particular corner until last week.

    Finally, the State Dept. Inspector General is still disputing the IC IG's contention that any of these e-mails should even be classified at all. That significant difference of opinion has not been resolved at all.

    As BTD also noted both today and two weeks ago, this is a jurisdictional battle between the State Dept. and the intelligence community. And for its part, the State Dept. is not ceding anything to the NSA's intelligencia, most especially the final say over its own internal and external communications.

    So, spare us all your hyperbolic huffing and puffing and threats to blow Mrs. Clinton's house down. Because once again, you (a) are trafficking in misinformation; (b) don't know what you're talking about; and (c) are simply parroting the empty rhetoric of the professionally outraged GOP provocateur class.

    You know, I really should save that last sentence, because I could then simply copy and paste it in response to at least seven out of every eight of your comments.

    :-(

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    You can parse and twist and turn and duck and (none / 0) (#183)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:41:44 PM EST
    run...but you can't hide.

    Hillary's server has now being taken by the FBI.

    I am sure they did that because no law was broken.

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    Can't you get your facts straight? (none / 0) (#185)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:13:15 PM EST
    It was given to the FBI by Hillary, Jim.

    It wasn't clear what led to the change of heart. But last month, news of the Justice Department involvement surfaced after the agency was told the State Department review turned up emails containing information that should have been marked and handled as classified. The Justice Department routinely checks into whether classified information has been mishandled. A State Department spokesman said in a statement Tuesday that portions of two emails that were circulated on unclassified systems should be upgraded to top-secret status.

    In a statement, Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill said the candidate hoped that the reviews would quickly determine which emails were appropriate to be publicly released, and that they would be released.

    "In the meantime, her team has worked with the State Department to ensure her emails are stored in a safe and secure manner," Merrill said. "She directed her team to give her email server that was used during her tenure as secretary to the Department of Justice, as well as a thumb drive containing copies of her emails already provided to the State Department. She pledged to cooperate with the government's security inquiry, and if there are more questions, we will continue to address them."

    Glad to clear that up for you.  Parse away at this article, if you can.

    💡

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    Sure it was (none / 0) (#188)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:20:15 PM EST
    Out of the goodness of her heart.. she felt no pressure...the FBI didn't say give it up...

    Look, you kid your friends.... but the rest of us deal with reality.

    And to say that she didn't know information from signals or satellite was classified is to say that she is stupid.

    Is that also your claim???

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    No, I'm saying that your claim (none / 0) (#196)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:25:10 PM EST
    That the server was "taken" by the FBI was not supported by any news accounts that I'm aware of.  Perhaps you have a better news source or more authoritative account than the LA Times?  That would be interesting.

    I find it amusing that you see every move by her as a sign of guilt.  Can you tell me exactly which  law or laws you think she violated?  You seem to think that receiving information not labeled as classified in an e-mail whem it was received, but determined later afterwards, is some sort of criminal offense. Is that the story they're selling in Fox News right now?

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    When did it become the job... (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by unitron on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:25:26 AM EST
    ...of the Sec. of State to personally classify stuff that they didn't originate?

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    SAnders leads in NH (none / 0) (#65)
    by smott on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:34:24 AM EST
    Cue Al Michaels.... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:16:37 AM EST
    I'm still waiting to see (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:33:48 AM EST
    if New Hampshire will change their rules so he has a chance at winning 2 states during the Primary season. As of now he isn't permitted on the ballot.

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    2 tiny states (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:46:49 AM EST
    With very non-diverse populations.

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    New Hampshire is important (none / 0) (#82)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:55:29 AM EST
    And if he wins there, despite being out-spent and outgunned by Hillary, as he will be, it could upset the apple cart of Hillary bring seen as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

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    Not likely upsetting any carts (none / 0) (#87)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:58:58 AM EST
    but still, Sanders has to find a legal way to be on the ballot in order to have a chance at winning.

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    If he needs signatures, (none / 0) (#92)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:22:33 AM EST
    a few appearances around the state should take care of that one.

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    Signatures would be easy (none / 0) (#148)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:12:37 PM EST
    That's not what he needs.

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    I doubt (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:19:58 PM EST
    NH would be enough to change the trajectory for Bernie though winning there would keep him in at least through Super Tuesday. If he loses both IA and NH he's pretty much a goner.

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    Very True (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:57:20 AM EST
    And only one poll at that, and still trails in NH aggregate polling.

    On the flip side, that is the GOP side, Trump leads in aggregate polling in all three early States: Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

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    I keep wondering when the (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:09:45 PM EST
    standard set up for any clueless bobble head yap fest about Donald stops being "he is not a serious candidate but...he's leading in every poll.  By a lot."

    I keep wondering at what point he becomes a serious candidate.  


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    Probably after (none / 0) (#150)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:18:20 PM EST
    he actually wins one. Those idiot pundits grind on my last nerve so much I don't watch cable news anymore. First of all they are incapable of an original thought therefore we are replaying 2008 and the GOP is replaying 2012. Since in 2012 there were candidates who rose to the top and then imploded therefore Trump must be going to implode. I hate to tell the chuckleheads but Trump has a lot more media savvy than any of those previous idiots did.

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    Sounds like... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:57:18 AM EST
    something Viktor Tikhonov might say.

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    Wonder if HRC is Having... (none / 0) (#94)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:24:38 AM EST
    ...2004 flashbacks.

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    if you mean (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:34:35 AM EST
    2008 probably not. I'm sure this time she is going to be prepared for caucuses and Bernie's numbers have started to decline in Iowa. He seems to have maxed out there. He still might take NH but super Tuesday is going to be brutal for him if he's still in the race by then.

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    I Did... (none / 0) (#104)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:07:48 AM EST
    ...and I was joking, but at some level it has to be creeping in, 'Not Again...'

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    Donald, one of my hurricane sites (none / 0) (#68)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:28:06 AM EST
    shows a large rain band is crossing the Big Island now and a reshaped image of hurricane Hilda makes it look like it may break up.  How are you faring?

    We're fine. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:48:07 AM EST
    It's extremely humid right now, much more so than usual, but other than intermittent heavy but passing rain showers, we're experiencing nothing out of the ordinary. I think we'll likely get an awful lot of rain later on, with perhaps some occasional wind gusts of up to 50 mph, but that's about it. You've undoubtedly seen and experienced much worse in southern Florida.

    Thanks for asking.

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    Interesting Interview with one time (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:17:01 AM EST
    Small Portion of Men... (none / 0) (#98)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:47:21 AM EST
    ...in the US account for most of world's gun ownership.
    A study published in the Injury Prevention Journal, based on a 2004 National Firearms Survey, found that 20% of the gun owners with the most firearms possessed about 65% of the nation's guns.

    A 2007 survey by the U.N's Office on Drugs and Crime found that the United States, which has 5% of the world's population, owns 50% of the world's guns.

    The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found.

    One in 10 women own a gun, the General Social Survey found.

    Sugarmann agreed. "There is a myth pushed by the gun industry, the NRA and the trade associations for gun makers that gun ownership is up," he said. "[That] there are more gun owners, when the opposite is true, gun ownership is declining."

    The NRA did not respond to repeated requests from CNN for comment.

     LINK

    That translates to less than 0.3% of American men (~576,000) owning 32.5% of the worlds civilian guns.  

    That is insane.

    Probably correlates... (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:04:43 AM EST
    to the percentage of American men suffering from micropen*s.

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    Perhaps (none / 0) (#105)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:09:11 AM EST
    they feel the other 67.5% are criminals waiting to rape and pillage?

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    Light bulb! (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:22:52 PM EST
    A plan to fortify Planned Parenthood:  Re-name, in keeping with a new mission and scope: Planned Parenthood and Gun and Ammunition Shop.  A full-service for the needs of women and interests of men.  The Republicans will never touch Planned Parenthood, ever again.  

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    Can We Do This For Everything ? (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 01:43:00 PM EST
    The Planned Parenthood Armaments Act ?  Gun permit approvals guaranteed before you leave.

    Armed Abortions ?

    Gay Gun Marriages ?  Although rumor has it guns are all straight.

    Occupy Wall Street with Assault Rifles ?

    Black Open Carry Lives Matter ?

    Free college tuition for students who get concealed carry permits ?

    Secular Semi-Automatic Sundays ?

    Second Amendment Social Security Expansion ?

    Munitions and Medicare for all ?

    You may be on to something, although I don't think even guns are going to allow black folks to have them, the 2nd Amendment clearly is for whites only.

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    Let Me Guess... (none / 0) (#109)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 11:17:05 AM EST
    ...because no one else has to deal with the Mexican border jumping rapists ?

    Off topic, but I watched a Russell Brand special on Netflix about legalizing drugs.  To say it's odd to see British police conducting drug raids without guns, would be a huge understatement.  They are in nearly the same storm trooper gear as US, kicking down doors, but no guns.

    Brand and the new camera just stands outside, close to the action, but no danger anywhere of anyone getting shot.  It almost doesn't compute.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#125)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:14:31 PM EST
    Those British police probably also stoid a much better chance of NOT being shot at when conducting those raids, since guns are very hard to come by in England be ause of the gun control laws in place.

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    Well Yes... (none / 0) (#128)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 02:51:24 PM EST
    ...I wasn't implying that cops should not use guns here, that would be insane.  I wasn't making any point other than it was just plain odd to see cops do roughly the same as they do here, in the same gear, sans the guns.

    This isn't the video, but same difference.

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    New CNN (none / 0) (#129)
    by FlJoe on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 03:19:14 PM EST
    Iowa poll.  Trump 22, Carson 14, Walker 9, Cruz 8.

    Walker (none / 0) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:02:09 PM EST
    may end up dying in Iowa if that poll holds up.

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    Bush (none / 0) (#137)
    by CST on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:14:05 PM EST
    isn't even on the menu

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    Number 7 (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:48:12 PM EST
    which is where he was or has been for a while even though he polls number 2 in most likely to win the general election.

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    The sub-sets of the Iowa Poll (none / 0) (#138)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:28:52 PM EST
    are worth a look.   Trump is a runaway in most all categories, but Trump does not do as well on "abortion."   He probably needs to learn from the tops, Carson and Huckabee,  on that one, although it is difficult to see how Carson and Huckabee outdid Walker and Rubio.

     Perhaps, Trump could take the extremes to an extreme level by  proposing a policy that jails women who seek abortions for attempted zygote murder, and those who had them, jailed for zygote murder. I think this might work, but he needs to act fast, to avoid being scooped by Trumpettes.

     And, similar prosecutions for women who use contraceptives that some Iowans believe to be abortion.  Heck, just say all contraceptives.  Trump may need some tutoring on this issue after his defense of Planned Parenthood--but don't ask Santorum, a previous Iowa winner with bona fides in such matters, because he is way down in the single digits.  

    There is some hope for Jeb in the chance of winning the general election category, coming in, for a change, in second place.

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    The planned parenthood thing (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 06:15:42 PM EST
    as pretty interesting.  Not just that he said it but where he said it.    Hannity.

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    With all the critical piling on (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 03:53:47 PM EST
    of S2 of True Detective no one has mentioned the strange similarity of the recent Colorado pollution story and the main plot of the series.  Pollution from mines long closed and out of business so unable to be forced to clean it up so its left to the government which does not have the funds.

    This will sober everyone up. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:44:26 PM EST
    From the Carter Center, comes the following public statement from former President Jimmy Carter:

    "Recent liver surgery revealed that I have cancer that now is in other parts of my body. I will be rearranging my schedule as necessary so I can undergo treatment by physicians at Emory Healthcare. A more complete public statement will be made when facts are known, possibly next week."

    That announcement puts everything back into perspective, doesn't it? My thoughts and prayers are with President Carter and his family.

    Aloha.

    that makes me sad (none / 0) (#141)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:51:58 PM EST
    A good person.  Although none of us will live forever, he has lived a long life and has done much good with it.

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    I think it's heartbreaking. (none / 0) (#142)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 04:58:49 PM EST
    Jimmy Carter has become a moral touchstone for so many of us who came of age during Vietnam and Watergate. He embodies the very best of who we are as a people. God bless him.

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    Shade Balls (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:36:08 PM EST
    am I the only one who thinks this sounds like the opening plot of a SciFi movie

    "Shade balls" are being used in California as a cheaper alternative to tarps. Here balls are being released into a reservoir in Calabasas, California.



    Omg (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:43:45 PM EST
    Chris Hayes just agreed with me about the sci fi thing.

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    A great example of thinking outside the box (none / 0) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:00:36 PM EST
    much like the plan to spread coal ash on the snow/glaciers put forth back in the 80's to combat the forecasted Global Cooling...

    Hope they haven't lost the blueprints..

    ;-)

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    Interesting if true (none / 0) (#171)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:17:33 PM EST
    Got a link?

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    At first (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 13, 2015 at 08:08:55 AM EST
    i thought shade balls was a story about Chris Christie.

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    Donald cherishes me (none / 0) (#160)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:37:32 PM EST
    He promises he will be great on women's health issues.

    I tend to believe him on this.

    He reeks con-artist though.  He's like that creepy guy who asks you out and when you say no stands outside your door at midnight loudly explaining why you should reconsider because he's such a great guy.

    I couldn't believe he answered Rand Paul's attack by suggesting Rand is very short. And the GOP will love him for it.

    He also said Rand (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 07:42:40 PM EST
    was a spoiled brat without a functioning brain.

    I love him for it.

    But seriously, in the unlikely event he is actually the nominee he could conceivably turn these "past liberal statements" to his advantage.  It seems to me.

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    Not going to lie (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by CST on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:17:32 PM EST
    Watching the piece of the GOP debate that I watched it had occurred to me that he is the least bad candidate on the stage.  Because he's kind of liberal about some stuff.  And even better, he's not afraid of being liberal about some stuff to a GOP audience.

    I honestly don't know how I feel about him.  He's a buffoon and completely despicable.  And still somehow not as terrible as the rest of them.

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    Golden no more (none / 0) (#168)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:11:54 PM EST
    Federal Courtroom sketch fuels Tom Brady's public deflation.

    No proof (none / 0) (#172)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:17:36 PM EST
    Didn't the judge basically belittle the NFL?

    A federal judge put the NFL on the defensive over its four-game suspension of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady on Wednesday, demanding to know what evidence directly links Brady to deflating footballs and belittling the drama of the controversy.
    "What is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady?" Judge Richard M. Berman repeatedly asked NFL lawyer Daniel L. Nash at the first hearing in the civil case in Manhattan federal court as Brady and Commissioner Roger Goodell looked on.

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    That question alone (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:10:13 PM EST
    "What is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady?"

    which the league admits they have no answer for is why I still believe that, barring a settlement of some kind, Brady will be on the field in Week 1.

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    The McCaulay Culkin pic (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 08:21:17 PM EST
    made me LOL

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    It looks like that Jeebus fresco... (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 09:36:24 PM EST
    That an old Spanish lady "restored" about a year or so ago that now looks like a snow monkey.

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    Ha . . . (none / 0) (#194)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Wed Aug 12, 2015 at 10:50:48 PM EST
    well

    my mom who is 81 or 82 and who had been saying she would vote for HRC is now saying she will vote for Trump . . .

    She says she was definitely against him . . . and has become persuaded he would good and that he is experienced in many things . ..

    She voted for Obama in '12 . . .

    Just thought I would bring you the encouraging news . . .

    I know that reservoir well. (none / 0) (#201)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 13, 2015 at 01:32:47 PM EST