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The Pileons Backfire? Hillary Net Dem Favorables Stable in Gallup Poll

One of the problems the Media and the GOP have with their attacks on the Clintons, and particularly now, Hillary clinton, is that the pileons generally end up getting Dems to rally around her.

This is just 1 data point, but Gallup reports:

Democrats' overall opinions of the major Democratic contenders for president have changed little despite six eventful weeks of campaigning. Hillary Clinton remains the best liked among her party faithful. She enjoys a net favorable score of +60, which is essentially where she stood in July. Bernie Sanders is still the next best-liked candidate in the field, with his net favorable stable at +29.

Clinton is plus 4 net favorable with Dems in the last months. Something to keep an eye on.

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    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 03:00:35 PM EST
    Anne said in another thread people want to hear about stuff that makes their life better and are sick of email BS and the coverage from the media has been so over the top hysterical and it just reeks.

    "Pileons"="Pile-ons." (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 03:41:58 PM EST
    I don't watch the news. But I do read the NYT. This meme is so (!) important Amy Chozick, whose focus is on Hillary Clinton, seems to have lost her pride of place to a couple male reporters.

    I thought BTD meant (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by leap on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 05:15:31 PM EST
    pigeons or pylons, neither of which made sense. I actually went to teh Google, and nothing there. Not even in Urban Dictionary. Huh. What an odd word. Then I realized, a missing hyphen. Sheesh. Pileons, indeed. Pileons. Pigeons. Pylons. Pythons.

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    Took me a couple of reads too (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 07:33:47 PM EST
    I thought there was some new political term!

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    Really? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:05:51 PM EST
    Huh.

    Didn;t think it was an official word.

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    Big guy, (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:24:45 PM EST
    You gotta hang out here a little more often to get the full flavor of Oculus's proclivity for the refreshingly cryptic.

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    Not in the OED. Everywhere else: (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:20:02 PM EST
    "pile on."

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    Hyphenation: (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 06:36:55 PM EST
    Compound nouns

    Compound nouns are the easiest to deal with: most of them can be looked up in a good dictionary. Keep in mind, though, that many compound nouns start out spaced or hyphenated before eventually becoming solid, with dictionaries often lagging behind current usage.

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    I just make words up :) (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:57:11 AM EST
    Me too (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:00:18 PM EST
    It was good enough for Shakespeare!

    I'm a firm believer that if people know what you meant without having to ask - it's a word.

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    See what I mean? (none / 0) (#7)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:25:17 PM EST
    I watch (none / 0) (#5)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:23:17 PM EST
    CNN so you don't have to. They are absolutely horrid of course. They have bringing up the emails 2 to 3 times an hour for the last few cycles.

    For days it had been "Hillary faces questions", undefined of course. Finally last night they actually posed some questions, to their credit good ones. Something along the lines of: was the server legal, was it secure, was classified material improperly transmitted?

    My ears perked up, maybe an attempt at real journalism was in the work. Alas no, Wolf thanked the reporter for his interesting questions, answers not required in modern journalism I guess.

    Maybe Wolfie expected for his next guest to set the record straight. Darrel "burn the witch" Issa. It was a sickening piece of journalistic malpractice as usual.

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    What Wolf Blitzer is to journalism, ... (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:46:31 PM EST
    ... Darrell Issa is to governance. It's not any better at MSNBC, where you could have watched Ari Melber speculate about President Donald Trump's first 100 days in office. Seriously.

    Randi Rhodes was right. The news has been cancelled.

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    Gang (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 04:44:59 PM EST
    rape is what it is.

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    Clinton campaign alerted (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 06:25:29 PM EST
    to under cover conservative sting operation

    Hillary Clinton's campaign offices around the country have been put on alert after at least two women approached Iowa staff under the guise of being supporters in an apparent effort to catch the campaign engaging in improper or illegal activity, a Clinton campaign official said.

    The motivations of the women is not known, but their alleged techniques match those of Project Veritas, the conservative group run by James O'Keefe, which specializes in undercover stings meant to embarrass liberal groups and politicians. The group declined to comment on the Clinton campaign's allegations. "Project Veritas does not comment on investigations, real or imagined," said Daniel Pollack, the director of communications for the group.



    Wow (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 06:28:08 PM EST
    I remember in 2008 somebody attacked her office in New Hampshire I think it was.

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    I did my duty as a citizen and tried to watch a (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 07:37:30 PM EST
    Trump rally. Made it two minutes in. He doesn't think Hillary will 'make the gate'.  Of course he is wrong about everything else, so I guess that is a good sign.

    Scary to think people actually like this blowhard.

    MSNBC (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 07:42:44 PM EST
    Is doing live pop up fact checking.  It's pretty great.

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    Some people look to Daddy ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 09:48:29 PM EST
    ... to solve their problems and save them -- never mind that Daddy's a verbally abusive loudmouth who likes to drink too much, and is prone to cheating on Mom with anything wearing a skirt.

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    Yup- it's like they think he is some kind of (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 09:58:27 PM EST
    superhero.

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    I posted a comment about this when it happened (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:15:54 AM EST
    One wonders how much longer the (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:09:08 AM EST
    media is going to keep fanning these hateful flames just for the ratings, or whatever sick scenario they think they're engineering.

    This man is not a joke.  He is dangerous.  And worse, most of the other GOP candidates are totally buying in.

    Donald Trump: strongman?

    Still, history is littered with strongmen nobody took seriously until it was too late. When someone like Trump captures the imagination of millions of people it's important to pay attention to what he's saying. For all his ranting, you'll notice that the one thing Trump never mentions is the constitution.


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    I could not agree more (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:35:35 AM EST
    on the other hand I think there is a case to be made that giving exposure to things like that rally last night with yahoos screaming white power from the crowd might actually be a good thing.

    There is another recent development I find troubling.   This showed up this morning on the subject of the white power shouts on C&L.  A site I like very much-

    I couldn't handle the cable lovefest when The Donald took the stage in Alabama last night. It was beyond my power of comprehension to see Chris Hayes practically dancing at his desk about fact-checking him while simultaneously and gleefully telling his audience that Trump was really "a thing."

    Now, I was watching that.  What Hayes was doing, fact checking the insanity in real time, was actually pretty awsum.   And he is a high energy guy but to say he was dancing on his desk blah blah just seem petty and stupid to me.

    But there has been an uptick lately in not just criticizing Trump but anyone who attempts to look at the spectacle objectively to understand it and what it means.  I seriously don't get it.  If a person has the opinion that Donald is just icky and our only option is to ignore him, great.  It's a free country.

    But know this.  He is not a joke.  He is dangerous.  And ignoring him because he is icky is damn sure not going to make him go away.

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    You (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:26:34 AM EST
    are correct about the GOP. They all are becoming just like Trump.

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    Have to say Trump looked good on the stump. (none / 0) (#25)
    by ragebot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:52:16 AM EST
    Maybe, or maybe not, it was a plant but someone in the crowd yelled out Bergdahl and Trump picked up on it and went into what looked like an unscripted monologue to me.  What ever your take on Bergdahl it is easy to be appalled at the turn of events in his case.

    Last update I saw was Bergdahl's lawyer asked the general over seeing the case be disqualified because he was in line to possibly be the next Army Chief of Staff.

    I am still hold to the conventional view that justice delayed is justice denied and Bergdahl's case has been going on way too long.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:35:43 AM EST
    a plant like the guy(s) who kept shouting "white power".

    Demagoguery always sounds good on the stump when delivered to an adoring crowd.

    I do not understand the concern over the Berghdal case, a relatively minor crime at worst, a single act in the sea of infamy that was created by Bush's follies.


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    Demagoguery is the perfect word (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:38:37 AM EST
    His talent is his ability to deliver a crowd pleasing rant on any topic. He can just stand there and take requests from the audience. I have no doubt he could change his stripes in a heartbeat if he chose to court a liberal base, and deliver rants that would please us too.


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    I do t think the guy was a plant (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:55:19 AM EST
    if you watch the video you can see Trump react.  It's not a "pleased" look.
    I'm nit suggesting he had a moral problem but he is smarter than that.

    I sort of figured the guy was quietly exited.

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    Damn (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:55:46 AM EST
    supposed to say

    I DONT think

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    I am (none / 0) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:20:31 AM EST
    certain he was not a plant. The real question is was he representative of the crowd? Was he one out of 30k or one out of 3k? One out of 300 or one out of three? My gut feeling is the underlying sentiment was shared by a significant fraction of the crowd.

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    Of course he was (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:27:58 AM EST
    Alabama was not a random location

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    Damn straight it's not random (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:59:00 PM EST
    On his current course Trump could crush a large chunk of the GOP field on Super Tuesday with about half a dozen southern states involved that day.

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    All I can think of is the students (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:19:46 PM EST
    at Ole Miss who were on the verge of burning down the whole campus after Obama was reelected..

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    Correct (none / 0) (#35)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:32:47 AM EST
    Alabama will be getting plenty of visits , from all the candidates.

    Alabama will start to look a lot like Iowa or New Hampshire in the coming days, with five Republican presidential candidates set to visit the state. The frenzy can be attributed to Alabama being a part of-called "SEC Primary," where voters in several southern states will head to the polls on March 1, 2016, to pick a presidential nominee.

    Alabama's presidential primaries have historically taken place in June - a time when a candidate usually locks up the nomination.

    Alabama was most likely picked by Trump , as Senator Jeff Sessions has a similar take on immigration policy as Trump.

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    I expect (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:40:50 AM EST
    Trump to do quite well in Alabama. White power is what a lot of them think.

    I'm not surprised to hear that Jeff Sessions was part and parcel of that plan. The irony is he's found a billionaire from NYC to sell neoconfederatism.

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    Sessions (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:37:09 AM EST
    helped write his "immigration plan"

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    okay then (none / 0) (#42)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:54:14 PM EST
    I knew they were simpatico on immigration,

    Didn't realize he was a policy adviser,

    Well , better than getting it from the news.

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    Brietbart (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:11:20 PM EST
    In what may be the most important development in the 2016 Presidential race to date, Donald Trump has announced, and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)' office has confirmed, that the GOP front-runner is consulting with the Alabama Senator in crafting his immigration plan for the future of America.

    The real estate mogul's announcement will send shock waves through Washington D.C. and all across primary states.

    Trump, whose campaign has focused primarily on issues of immigration and trade, has seen a meteoric rise since entering the race, with throngs of supporters across the country rocketing him to the top of every single poll, despite an extraordinary effort of establishment Republicans to take him down. Republican pundits have lobbed every imaginable accusation at Trump. Yet these same pundits, while seemingly furious at the man, have demonstrated no similar concern, angst, or passion about the dissolution of our southern border, the rampant exploitation of guest-worker programs, the collapse of middle class wages, and the growing illegal immigrant crime wave.



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    Lol (none / 0) (#45)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:19:10 PM EST
    Well, I think Trump is just a stalking horse for Cruz, or Cruz is using him in that fashion.
    Cruz has the financing to last well into the primaries, and think he is counting on most of the  moderate candidates to drop out due to the Trump sprint to the front.
     year from now, who is still running?
    Bush, Trump, Cruz, and I have no idea who else has the financing to continue.
    Many of the second tier candidates were counting on a early primary win to boost their finances, but The Donald is snuffing out their hopes, lol, and he is the one who could self finance.
    He really has been a wild card in this primary

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    There (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:44:22 PM EST
    really are no moderate candidates. They've all become nut cases at this point.

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    At (none / 0) (#47)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 02:39:10 PM EST
    This point I do believe Trump benefits Cruz as much as anybody and he probably has the most to gain from any Trump stumble. I think you overestimate is financial strength, but he was invited to the Koch's beg-athon and he reportedly did not disappoint them.

    He has made a point of not dissing Trump and he has set himself up as an enemy of the "DC Cabal". He can spout demagoguery with the best of them, maybe not the bluster that sells during this current silly season, but well suited for the up-coming winter when things are supposed to get serious.

    I consider Cruz a serious dark horse but he probably needs a Trump collapse, sooner rather then later during primary season.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:39:36 AM EST
    my state is in the SEC primary.

    Anecdotally he could win.

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    The person right up front, (none / 0) (#40)
    by fishcamp on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:06:21 PM EST
    With Trump's book must have been a plant.  He drug that one along too.  Did anyone listen to the press question and answer session?  I went back to tennis, football and baseball.

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    Scott Simon, interviewed (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:16:09 PM EST
    Michael Mukasey, on NPR this morning on Clinton emails.  Mr. Simon referenced an article of Muskasey in the WSJ, and introduced him as a former Attorney General.

    No mention for the listeners of Mukasey's background, either as a former federal district judge (appointed by Reagan), or his appointment by President George W. Bush as AG to replace the bumbling Alberto Gonzales.

    In the NPR interview, Mukasey states that he does not believe Mrs. Clinton on any thing she has said on this matter, and in any event, it is irrelevant since he just believes that there were violations, either of improper storage of classified material (a misdemeanor) or, maybe, just maybe, a felony, if documents were destroyed.  

    Mukasey, we all remember, is the guy that earned the rathe of Senators, such as  Sanders and Leahy, in confirmation hearings, and later did state that water-boarding was not illegal.  And, was an advocate of torture.

     And, of course, in the case of the transgressions of his predecessor Gonzales, his position was, as he told the ABA, "not every wrong, or even violation of law is a crime."  

    Mukasey was a disgrace as AG, to the point that many longed for the "good old rotten days," of Alberto.  He belongs nowhere near  a radio or other microphone, unless it is for a speech to the Federalist Society, a favorite of his.

    A Fairly Good Primer on the (current) Hillarygate (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by RickyJim on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:48:27 PM EST
    This March CNN article explains things as well as I have seen.  
    When I got to work as secretary of state, I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two.

    Looking back, it would've been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue.

    I still am mystified why using a State Department server for business emails and another server for personal emails would have required a second phone. Many people have email accounts with different ISPs on the same computer. Also, do government regulations forbid personal email on their servers? Everyone seems to assume that the State Department servers are more secure than the private one that was set up in Chappaqua.  I wonder if the history of State Department hacking proves that false.

    here is why (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by mm on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:51:16 AM EST
    I still am mystified why using a State Department server for business emails and another server for personal emails would have required a second phone.

    Hope this clears up your confustion.

    Another explanation for Clinton's use of a personal email rather than government email address can be found in Business Insider, which reports two unnamed former State Department officials who claim, "At the time, State Department policy would not have allowed her to have multiple email addresses on her Blackberry. Because of this, the officials said, she opted to have one address for both personal and governmental communications."

    There is some plausibility here. As far back as 2009, I was covering President-elect Barack Obama's struggle to keep his own BlackBerry. The compromise was that Mr. Obama got a secured phone for official use and a tweaked-out BlackBerry for communications with a select group of personal friends.   LINK



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    The SD hacks (none / 0) (#53)
    by ragebot on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:11:49 AM EST
    Not to mention many other hacks of govt and non govt computers are suppose to result in action as soon as they are discovered.  Also keep in mind that most computer security experts think many hacks are intentionally not revealed.

    The current FBI investigation of Hillary's server is suppose to determine if the server was hacked, not to mention if there was sensitive data on the server.  That is why Hillary wiping the server is an issue.  Wiping the server certainly makes it harder to investigate if it was hacked or if sensitive data was protected.

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    What will CNN do (none / 0) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 07:59:43 PM EST
    ...if Bernie and Hillary meet in a debate, and discuss policy and issues without even throwing a chair?

    Does CNN have anyone who knows about these things?

    Maybe they will get Jon Stewart (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 08:04:18 PM EST
    Frget the debate. Run Jon Stewart for President. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 08:39:04 PM EST
    He's way to smart (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:16:22 AM EST
    Hillary Briefing (none / 0) (#20)
    by Belswyn on Fri Aug 21, 2015 at 08:44:03 PM EST
    Quite like this:

    https:/www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing

    Former State Dept Officials: (none / 0) (#50)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 07:23:43 AM EST
    Hillary's E-Mail Defense is Total BS

    Former State Department security officials don't buy Hillary Clinton's latest alibi that she couldn't tell that government e-mails -- which she improperly, if not illegally, kept for several years on an unsecured home server -- contained top-secret information because they lacked official markings and weren't classified until later.

    Such messages contain sensitive "keywords" distinguishing them from unclassified information, even if the material didn't bear a classified heading as she claims.

    The secretary would have known better, the department ­officials say, because she was trained to understand the difference when she was "read in" on procedures to ID and handle classified information by diplomatic-security officials in 2009....

    He added: "It's hard to imagine that in her position she would fail to recognize the obvious."

    Mrozinski was the certified security manager for the peacekeeping, sanctions and counterterrorism office in the Bureau of International Organization Affairs, where he had TS/SCI clearance and spent roughly 15 to 30 minutes a day in SCIFs.

    "This is a serious breach of national security," Mrozinski said, and "a clear violation of the law."...

    "Anybody else would have already lost their security clearance and be subjected to an espionage investigation," Mrozinski added. "But apparently a different standard exists for Mrs. Clinton."



    So (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:13:26 AM EST
    Says the conservative Republican who ran for the house in the deepest reddest part of Georgia.

    Secret "key words", now that is true BS. There is a strict protocol for labeling classified documents, the idea that there is a second hidden method of classification based on keywords is laughable.

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    The NY Post - heh (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:18:28 AM EST
    Citing Raymond Fournier - the same "expert" hired by Judicial Watch to push their debunked Benghazi theories.  Along with a failed, Republican candidate for Congress.

    It's like they're trying to be funny.

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    There's (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:35:57 AM EST
    a new name for all the Murdoch enterprises since Trump: BOW DOWN MURDOCH. They rolled over and bowed down Trump. As far as facts? Well, the Post has always shopped conspiracy theories.

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