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    Horror show Saturday TV (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:30:06 PM EST
    On Aquarius, Manson and his girls deliver a baby - not exactly like on  'Call The  Midwife'.

    Next up- Hannibal!

    I might have to go to church tomorrow to make up for all this.

    I anticipated you would have a kudo (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:15:23 AM EST
    for Cranston.  

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    I'm sure I will in November when the movie (none / 0) (#40)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:53:24 AM EST
    comes out! looks good so far.

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    I love so much (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:56:57 AM EST
    that he ate one of the lips.

    "Where's the other one?"

    Hilarious.

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    yes, well played, Mads! (none / 0) (#80)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 06:37:13 PM EST
    I've been haunted for the weekend (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 10:51:44 AM EST
    Watched True Story. Why does Mike Finkel still communicate with murderer Christian Longo? Disturbing movie.

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    NEW RULE (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:01:18 AM EST
    you are ONLY allowed to comment on the Iran nuclear deal if you are able to pronounce nuclear.

    NEW RULE #2 (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:08:57 PM EST
    People should be automatically banned from discussing the Iran nuclear deal if they pronounce Iran - Eye-ran.

    Only ignoramuses and Republicans pronounce it EYE-ran with the emphasis on EYE.

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    Can (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 06:12:35 PM EST
    we extend your proposed ban, which I wholeheartedly support, to those who say "EYE-rak"?

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:56:57 PM EST
    the ban should be extended for that pronunciation as well.

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    RULE #3: (none / 0) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:35:39 PM EST
    You are only allowed to criticize the actual contents of the deal if you possess academic credentials that are comparable to the those of the nuclear physicist who helped to broker the agreement in his present capacity as U.S. Energy Secretary.

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    USAToday (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:13:54 AM EST
    Column: GOP's Clinton email indictment fantasy

    Republicans just wasting time, losing votes with illegitimate, partisan mudslinging.

    Republicans hoping to beat Hillary Clinton aren't going to be bailed out by some mythical criminal prosecution in a case where there is clearly no evidence of any kind of crime. Perhaps they should spend a bit more time developing policies that might appeal to middle class Americans and a bit less on fantasy indictments and hysterical talking points that speak only to their extremist base.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:14:47 AM EST
    that was supposed to go in one of the Hillary email threads.

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    Its OK, (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:03:38 PM EST
    it can go in both--bears repeating.

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    The auther Julian Epstein (none / 0) (#93)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:40:56 AM EST
    is a scary good lawyer.

    I remember him from years ago during Whitewater.

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    Jeb Bush is calling us out! (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:54:29 PM EST
    He does not appreciate us taking his anchor babies comment out of context the way we did. It isn't Latinos or Mexicans making anchor babies, it's Asians. And we should all be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves how we fouled his statement.

    Oy, why do I spend ironing day in front of CNN? I only hurt myself.

    poor misunderstood Jeb! (none / 0) (#135)
    by CST on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:57:07 PM EST
    First we didn't understand what he meant when he said he would've invaded Iraq, then we didn't understand what he meant by spending too much on women's health, now we don't understand what he means about anchor babies.

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    Frankly, I don't understand ... (none / 0) (#155)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:31:48 PM EST
    ... why Jeb! is even running. I really don't know if his heart -- such as it is -- is truly in the game here. While out on the campaign trail, the guy often looks like he wishes he were somewhere / anyplace else.

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    He really does look and act (none / 0) (#162)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:20:07 AM EST
    That way doesn't he?

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    I couldn't believe it when he just (none / 0) (#163)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:24:20 AM EST
    Blurted out Asians. Smaller voting block though.:) Can you carry Texas these days if the entire Latino vote turns out against you?

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    He muffed it but he has a point. (none / 0) (#181)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:32:25 AM EST
    Chinese females pay big $$ to promoters to come and deliver their babies in CA, get a birth certificate, and go back to China w/the newborn.

    But, no, I don't belive that is what Jeb meant when he talked about anchor babies.

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    Not just in CA (none / 0) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:43:56 AM EST
    its all over.  It's called birth tourism and it's mostly very well off people who do it and no, that is absolutely not what anyone was talking about in the anchor baby's discussion.

    It's a great example of what a disastrous candidate Jeb! is.
    He will not be the nominee.  IMO

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    I get where he's coming from (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:49:55 AM EST
    But I also have a sense that these aren't the people the Republican base is concerned about.

    After all, they have money, welcome to America.

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    Aparrently (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:59:50 AM EST
    some do it so they can more easily send them back here to school.

    Even Trump Maximus has said we should let the ones stay who come here and get Ivy League educations.

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    So you guys caught him (none / 0) (#186)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:06:07 AM EST
    It has a term....and it isn't/wasn't anchor babies. Anchor babies came from a previous election anyhow. It isn't a newly coined term. I was pretty sure it was coined in Conservative reference to Latino immigrants having babies in the U.S. in order to stay here and take advantage of our shitty healthcare system, poor wages, etc :)

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    I hate to even mention this person's (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:16:29 AM EST
    name for fear of raising the lid on the coffin she no doubt sleeps in, but for some reason, I want to say it may have been Michelle Malkin who coined the phrase.

    Does this ring any bells?

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    Doing more reading, it apparently has (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:22:28 AM EST
    been around for some time, going back to the days of the Vietnamese boat people.

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    It also says (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:24:52 AM EST
    it surged in 2006 which woul possibly support your point

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    Wiki (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:19:47 AM EST
    A related term, "anchor child", referring in this case to "very young immigrants who will later sponsor immigration for family members who are still abroad", was used in reference to Vietnamese boat people from about 1987.[9][12][13][14][15] "Anchor baby" appeared in print in 1996, but remained relatively obscure until 2006, when it found new prominence amid the increased focus on the immigration debate in the United States.[7][9][15][16] Lexicographer Grant Barrett nominated the term for the American Dialect Society's 2006 Word of the Year.[15]

    It is generally considered pejorative. In 2011 the American Heritage Dictionary added an entry for the term in the dictionary's new edition, which did not indicate that the term was disparaging. Following a critical blog piece by Mary Giovagnoli, the director of the Immigration Policy Center, a pro-immigration research group in Washington, the dictionary updated its online definition to indicate that the term is "offensive", similar to its entries on ethnic slurs.[16][17] As of 2012, the definition reads:

    n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a child born to a noncitizen mother in a country that grants automatic citizenship to children born on its soil, especially when the child's birthplace is thought to have been chosen in order to improve the mother's or other relatives' chances of securing eventual citizenship.



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    Where's the humor? (5.00 / 4) (#152)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:37:59 PM EST


    Site Violator ... (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 05:50:53 AM EST


    Yipeee... (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:39:18 AM EST
    the Dow and the rest of the stock market is bouncing back rapidly this morning.  The talking heads predict a rise of over 600 points for the Dow.  That seems a little too optimistic, but they are up 350 or so points in seven minutes after opening.  Good news.

    Ok it's definitely the apocalypse (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:01:35 AM EST
    Trump appears in butter

    Toast and water stain Trumps can't be far behind.

    "skid mark" Donald (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:20:01 AM EST
    Apparently, Trump's not finished with (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:30:57 AM EST
    Megyn Kelly:

    Megyn Kelly, host of "The Kelly File" on Fox News, is back from vacation -- and Donald Trump wasted no time resuming his attacks on her.

    Shortly after Monday night's broadcast, Kelly's first since Aug. 12, Trump fired off a series of tweets critical of her, including a retweet in which she was called a "bimbo" and another that remarked on her looks.

    His fans will eat it up; it's making me a little ill.

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    well (none / 0) (#178)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:13:27 AM EST
    perhaps part of the solution is to view a few more extra megan kelly programs or segments . . .

    I have tried to do so . . .

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    What is it (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:30:19 AM EST
    ...about Ms. Kelly?  You voluntarily inflict her stupidity on yourself as some sort of "statement" against another moron who insulted her?

    When highly paid morons fight in public, do not interfere.  Buy popcorn.

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    Strange (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:17:50 PM EST
    that Donald would start this up again.  He been getting (reportedly, I have not been watching) bashed n FOX for it all morning.  Roger Ailes even weighed i saying let it go.

    Why, it's almost like Donald thought his feud with FOX did nothing but keep him in the news and boost his numbers.

    Agree, popcorn.

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    I have a dream (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:33:32 AM EST
    And it involves a 5-br house in need of a complete remodel - for the "low" listed price of $375,000.

    But man - location, location, location.  It's also in an area that is zoned commercial, and would be the perfect bed and breakfast.  And presidents vacation there...

    Of course it's also got a historical exterior, and is completely falling apart.  Which means it would probably be cheaper to tear it down and build a new one from scratch but you can't do that because this is Massachusetts.

    But I could live there, on my island, and run a mini-hotel, and I think I would die happy.

    When imagineering (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by sj on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:49:31 AM EST
    it's good to be specific. :)

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    Well everything else in the neighborhood (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27:53 PM EST
    Is in the "don't even dream about it" price-range.

    I could, in theory, at some point in my life afford this.  Unfortunately probably not in time to buy it, but it has been on the market for over a year...

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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by sj on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 01:26:14 PM EST
    ... depending on when you are ready/able to buy... if it is still on the market the price will likely be lower than it is.

    This is the kind of dream that gets me all dewy eyed. A magnificent exterior (okay, so it's in need of rehab) and wide open possibilities on the interior.

    If I had won the mega millions when I lived in Baltimore I had my eye these potential beauties: a bad block between two great parts of the neighborhood. Beautiful solid exteriors and gutted completely on the inside. And those balconies!

    Restoring any of these (I was particularly drawn to the third from the left, followed closely by fourth from the left) would have revitalized this block and gone a long way to making the entire Reservoir Hill neighborhood walkable even without dogs.

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    Sorry it's not a tax, (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 02:13:07 PM EST
    It's merely a $25 extra charge per gun and five cent per bullet that the city of Seattle has imposed.  The NRA is now suing the city.  It sounds like an extra tax but they are calling it a surcharge, so far.  It's been on the news often today.  I barely saw it early this morning before I helped a friend change the 40 gallons of oil in his big sportfishing boat.  Not a fun job, but lots of mahimahi rewards.

    I watched part (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by lentinel on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 06:02:48 PM EST
    of a documentary about the lead up to the war in Iraq.

    They showed W. addressing the Houses of Congress  - talking about Uranium from Africa and all that bul-sh-t.

    What is glaring to me is how obvious it is, when you watch him, that he is lying - telling a tale.

    He has this semi-secret smile on his fkd up face that gives it all away.

    Why they all went for it is a mystery that we, as hapless citizens, should demand to know.

    Looking at the film now, it is just so so obvious.
    He took advantage at how traumatized we were.
    A truly despicable contemptible person.

    When a candidate for the anti-feminism party (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    Calls a woman a Bimbo, who in that party cares? I'm thinking nobody cares.

    When will Conservative women figure this out?

    Interesting, yet not really surprising (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 07:53:37 AM EST
    American Catholics are overall more left leaning and progressive than the general population on most major issues.

    For years, liberals have decried the conservative theology of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, lamenting U.S. bishops' efforts to push back against LGBT equality, for example. But a new study illustrates a widening ideological gulf between Catholic leadership and people in the pews. In fact, typical Catholics are not only more left-leaning than the Church, but also more progressive than average Americans on most major issues -- sometimes by significant margins.


    the thoughts of Jerry brown . . . (1.00 / 1) (#107)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:02:39 AM EST
    Brown said the email saga surrounding Clinton's private email server as Secretary of State carried a "dark energy" that represents a substantial challenge for her campaign.

    "It is almost like a vampire. She is going to have to put a stake...in the heart of these emails," the California Democrat said.

    Here's what Gov. Brown actually said ... (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 05:23:21 PM EST
    about the faux email controversy on NBC's Meet the Press yesterday:

    "The email thing, it has kind of a mystique to it. You know, an email is just an utterance in digital form. But it has some kind of dark energy that gets everybody excited, I don't know, it's almost like a vampire. She's going to have to find a stake and put it in the heart of these emails in some way.

    [...]

    "This email business has a certain buzz that keeps buzzing, and I have a hard time figuring out why this is such a big deal. But it is, and she'll have to use her best imagination and adroitness to deal with it. So, these are things that happen, it's still really early, and I hope that she can get beyond it, because I think that as a matter of fact and law and policy and ethics, these emails are not what the pundits are apparently thinking they are." (Emphasis is mine.)

    As you'll note, he said nothing at all about the server. But hey, thanks for playing.

    Aloha.

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    Thanks D (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 01:18:16 PM EST
    I was going to ask for a link, but didn't feel like engaging/encouraging the commenter :)

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    Those who quote others out of context ... (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 01:25:47 PM EST
    ... for purposes of misrepresentation have always been a bugaboo with me. This was one time when I watched Meet the Press, because I happen to like Gov. Brown. So when I saw that post, I already knew that wasn't what the governor had said about Mrs. Clinton's emails at all.

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    re the St. Paul rape case (none / 0) (#1)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:11:03 PM EST
    Does anyone wish to comment on the peculiar and contradictory alleged rape case in the St. Paul prep school?

    The accuser has changed several details of her story or not remembered saying certain things, but the story of the defendant also may have problems.

    It seems to me as if both parties are lying in part . . .  Unfortunately, lying by the defense doesn't mean he is guilty and lying by the accuser doesn't mean that he is completely innocent . . .

    supposedly a certain fraction of rapes are situations in which a consensual sexual encounter becomes nonconsensual.

    The accuser says that she told the defendant three times, "no."  The question is, do we believe her, given the inconsistencies in her stories? . . . I do not know . . .  Judging whether or not she said no is very hard now to do . . .

    I somewhat think that women and girls in some of these situations should in fact slap the guy . . .

    Anyway, who wishes to share a view . . .  although some of you strongly dislike me for my views, you may find it interesting that in this case, I have no view.  I don't think we have enough information to know if a rape actually occurred . . . except in the sense of statutory rape . . .

    It seems like the only thing that separates this from rape or not is the use of the word no . . . and we don't really know if she did or did not add that detail to her account.

    Anyway, based on the evidence presented so far, as reported in the media . . . I would tend to vote not guilty as in "not sufficiently proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

    Based solely on reports on (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:21:32 PM EST
    the trial in the NYT, I pity the prosecutor, although she is likely the person who decided to issue this case.  

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    what other ev (none / 0) (#8)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:23:25 PM EST
    what other evidence can the prosecutor produce to persuade "us" and/or the jury beyond a reasonable doubt?  The girl either lied shortly afterwards to the nurse or others . . or she is lying now . . . or what seems possible, she was lying at first at about some things and lying now about some things . . .

    the case appears to be over and lost  . . .

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    A lot of interesting legal and moral (none / 0) (#7)
    by McBain on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:44:43 PM EST
    things going on with this one.  Most of the "he said, she said" rape cases have enough reasonable doubt for an acquittal.  I haven't followed this one closely enough to have a strong opinion yet.

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    Problem I have is this (none / 0) (#15)
    by ragebot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 06:57:40 PM EST
    "Anyway, based on the evidence presented so far, as reported in the media . "

    Serving on a jury gives a much different picture than reading in the paper what happened in a trial.  Even when a trial is on the tube you don't get to see the small clues most of us use when seeing and listening to someone and determining if they are being truthful.  He said, she said is hard enough without it being filtered.

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    This is why I rarely criticize (none / 0) (#17)
    by McBain on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:23:16 PM EST
    a jury's decision.  

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    well (none / 0) (#21)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:14:16 PM EST
    we also have to remember that juries at times convict innocent people and their bad convictions are at times revealed by DNA testing or by the research of newspaper reporters . . . sometimes the flaws in the case are so bad that they should have been evident from the beginning . . . See as here . . . and in many other cases . . .

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    Good point (none / 0) (#91)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:14:01 AM EST
    but sometimes, if not often, those bad convictions have a lot to do with bad rulings from the judge and/or insufficient defense counsel.

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    So you're in mind (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 11:51:48 AM EST
    it can never possibly be corrupt prosecutors or cops?

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    Do you have a problem with that sir (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM EST
    I'm sure there have been plenty of wrongful (none / 0) (#124)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:13:28 PM EST
    convictions as the result of corrupt prosecutors and/or cops.  Prosecutors can overcharge, withhold evidence, and take advantage of inexperienced or overworked defense attorneys. Cops can do all kinds of things including lying on the witness stand.

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    re Detroit and gun possession (none / 0) (#2)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:13:11 PM EST
    foxnews recently had an article about gun possession in Detroit reducing or deterring some crimes . . .

    anyone wish to agree or disagree, especially since I think that Seattle should encourage handgun possession and training and other similar things?

    The Faux News article ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:38:24 PM EST
    ... offers no evidence to back up its claims.

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    have you (none / 0) (#29)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 03:32:55 AM EST
    Have you read the Foxnews article, if I may ask?

    You claim there is no evidence . . . you mean that the anecdotal evidence is not enough for you to count as evidence and you will only go by a scientific statistical study?

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    No, I mean ... (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 07:53:30 AM EST
    ... that citing a single instance of an alleged thwarting of a single crime, along with an evidence-free statement by a gun-nut as evidence that gun possession is reducing crime is, ... well ...

    ... laughable.

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    Bryan Cranston as Dalton Trumbo (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:38:58 PM EST
    this looks pretty terrific

    The successful career of 1940s screenwriter Dalton Trumbo (Bryan Cranston) comes to a crushing end when he and other Hollywood figures are blacklisted for their political beliefs. TRUMBO (directed by Jay Roach) tells the story of his fight against the U.S. government and studio bosses in a war over words and freedom, which entangled everyone in Hollywood from Hedda Hopper (Helen Mirren) and John Wayne to Kirk Douglas and Otto Preminger.



    There was a good documentary on Trumbo (4.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Peter G on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:10:23 PM EST
    in 2007 or so. Trumbo wrote the screenplay for Spartacus, among many other fine movies.

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    Johnny Got His Gun (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:16:05 PM EST
    was my favorite Trumbo story.   Made and excellent movie.

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    A very amusing book (none / 0) (#6)
    by ding7777 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:44:36 PM EST
    Additional dialogue; letters of Dalton Trumbo, 1942-1962

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    Also pretty terrific (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 05:45:17 PM EST
    DISMALAND.  The Bankseyest place on earth

    "This is not your average sugar-coated fantasyland selling scrapings from the Hollywood floor. No, we couldn't afford the license for that," explains Banksy. "The fairytale is over, the world is sleepwalking towards climate catastrophe, maybe all that escapism will have to wait."

    And that's just page one of the program.



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    Guccifer (none / 0) (#5)
    by ding7777 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 03:40:14 PM EST
    An interesting article about Guccifer's hacking

    Definitely worth a click. (none / 0) (#23)
    by ragebot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:41:01 PM EST
    Especially if you don't know Guccifer's history.  No one is sure how to separate the truth and untruth concerning Guccifer's claims.  But there is no doubt Guccifer leaked Sid's emails to/from Hillary (along with emails from Bush the younger, Powell, and a long list of other hacked emails).

    This is part of the reason the FBI is investigating Hillary's email server.  Even if Guccifer did not hack Hillary's server once Sid's emails were released it was open season to try and hack Hillary's server.

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    It sounds like he hacked state.gov (none / 0) (#27)
    by ding7777 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:20:34 PM EST
    Back in the Arad penitentiary, I ask Lehel about his heyday. Was it worth it? "I had memos Hillary Clinton got as a State Secretary, with CIA briefings. These were being read by her, two other people from the US Government, and Guccifer. I used to read her memos for six-seven hours and then I'd get up and do the gardening in the yard," he says.


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    Did Hillary have a state.gov account (none / 0) (#35)
    by ragebot on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:01:35 AM EST
    My understanding is that she only used her server to get and send email.  Her Blackberry was not issued by SD and no one seems to know what level of security it had.

    Bottom line is the FBI is investigating if the server was hacked.

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    I don't know if Hillary had a state.gov account (none / 0) (#38)
    by ding7777 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 08:28:38 AM EST
    but Guccifer could have hacked/read other state.gov accounts that had that info

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    re Biden . . . (none / 0) (#9)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:32:00 PM EST
    I have no strong feeling re the democratic primary . . . but I somewhat think that Biden would be a far stronger candidate than Clinton.

    Biden has made fun and funny verbal gaffes.  Clinton has got herself into situations repeatedly in which others have questioned her integrity . . .

    I don't think it is worth it to you folks to endure

    the drip, drip, drip and drip of whatever is being discussed or being revealed . . .

    Also, whether she was guilty or innocent in the email thing, it appears that, at least, the FBI is taking the possibility of criminal conduct seriously . . .  it is not a good situation for a candidate who should have other problems . . .

    See (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:35:58 PM EST
    Keys Dan comment in the next thread. If you think Biden isn't going to get the same treatment you are simply not too up on politics.

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    There is another guy (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 06:07:12 PM EST
    His name is Bernie Sanders.  He is by far the best candidate if you want competence and honesty, the rap is that he has no name recognition and "isn't electable."

    I won't vote for any of the GOP klowns in the general, that's for sure, and Bernie gets my vote in the primary.  Whatever reservations I have about Hillary, she is nowhere near as crooked as the most honest Republican.

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    to paraphrase an old saying... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:39:33 PM EST
    The only honest republican is a republican who stays crooked.

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    Your "concern" is touching (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:41:26 PM EST
    For both the Democratic primary voters and "whether she is guilty or innocent", particularly considering she hasn't even been accused of anything.

    Parent
    You mean like he was so much better than (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:56:47 AM EST
    her in the 2008 primaries?

    Parent
    Congratulations (none / 0) (#11)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 05:08:55 PM EST
    Are in order to our servicemen in France (and their civilian buddy) for averting a terrorist attack on a train. They chose to charge, while the train crew headed in the other direction.
    I have no clue as to what I would in those circumstances, I guess most people just freeze, hats off to those who charged evil.

    Train staff on board the high speed train which was the scene of a suspected Islamic extremist attack yesterday have been accused of barricading themselves in their staffroom and locking the door, leaving passengers to fend for themselves.
    The Moroccan terrorist was disarmed and beaten unconscious by US servicemen and a British man after he opened fire on a Paris-bound train with a Kalashnikov.
    Now, French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, who was on board the Thalys train during the attack has slammed train staff who he claims locked themselves in an office away from the attacker and refused to help the trapped passengers.

    A word about (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 06:58:50 PM EST
    the staff of the train.

    They consist of a few folks who wanders through the train now and then to check tickets;

    The rest of the "staff" serves sandwiches.

    Not exactly trained for combat;


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    Train (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:54:12 PM EST
    If I am correct, it was the French actor on the train who wasn't pleased with the actions of the trains staff,
    Perhaps it was the locking the door behind them, and not trying to get more passengers to safety.

     

    French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, who was on board the Thalys train during the attack has slammed train staff who he claims locked themselves in an office away from the attacker and refused to help the trapped passengers.

    Regardless, A very difficult position to be placed in.

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    Did not know Cuban doctors (none / 0) (#14)
    by ragebot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 06:51:37 PM EST
    got special treatment defecting to America.  The key word being "got".  Seems like Obama is backing off on the program and Cuban doctors applying for this special treatment are complaining Obama is dropping the program to facilitate better relations with Cuba.

    Link


    This just in (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:18:39 PM EST
    Our relationship with Cuba changed recently.

    After 55 years.

    It was in the papers.

    Parent

    Did the wet foot/dry foot policy change. (none / 0) (#39)
    by ragebot on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:01:37 AM EST
    There have been some changes but some things are also the same.

    But my point was here was something I was not aware of, that medical folks in Cuba, or the Cuban program to send medical folks to other countries, got special treatment if they wanted to defect to America.

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    Which was a shameful policy. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:01:17 AM EST
    Cuba has a great health care system. And by sending doctors out to the rest of the world, they were actually doing something for the betterment of humanity and doing something to help those less fortunate. Yet, the US put in place a policy to attempt to dissuade these doctors and defect. What a country.

    Parent
    While Cuba may have (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:50:01 PM EST
    A great health care system, they don't have much medicine to go with it.  The joke down there is if you have to go to the hospital, bring your own meds and bandages.

    Parent
    You need to read the article linked to (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:10:37 PM EST
    The Cuban doctors were complaining that the Cuban govt was getting money and oil in return for their service in Venezuela and they were getting pennies while the Cuban government kept the lion's share.  They also questioned why the US has no problem letting in unskilled peeps but was putting up a road block for skilled peeps.

    They also had a problem with the current Venezuelan govt's treatment of them.  Not to mention the theory that there is a real need for Cuban medical folks in Cuba and they resent being shipped out of the country when they could be treating Cubans.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:28:14 PM EST
    the Cubans don't know about the AMA and how it controls the supply and demand of doctors in this country.

    Parent
    one question for Trump (none / 0) (#30)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 03:37:43 AM EST
    so, apparently some fellows beat up a homeless hispanic man and they claim they did so by the inspiration of Trump.  How come people and/or the press have not asked Trump if he would disavow and discourage such behavior?

    They did, and he tweeted that he does not support (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:59:49 AM EST
    violence.

    Better question- he says that he does not accept money from lobbyists and others that expect to be able to come to him for favors later. So what favors did he ask for and get from politicians he has contributed to in the past?

    Parent

    In September (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 10:15:50 AM EST
    the "establishment" has indicated they plan their shock and awe campaign to get rid of this Trump person once and for all.

    We could find out who did what for who.

    I was surfing mourning shows too.   I loved that Sleepy Eyes Todds first two guests, who task it was to explain the Trump thing, were a couple establishment republican operatives who between them have participated at very high levels in ever losing republican presidential campaign in about the last 35 years.

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    If Trump decides to "tell all" (none / 0) (#103)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:53:50 AM EST
    it won't hurt him a bit. He'll just get kudos for being honest.

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    Almost all of his kids are anchor babies :) (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:22:38 AM EST
    Those words anchor babies (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 03:33:47 PM EST
    Just grates on my...sensibilities.  I don't like the term.

    Parent
    Same re "illegal (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:00:04 PM EST
    aliens," though that phrase is now statutory, unfortunately.  

    Parent
    Yes, "it would be a shame," (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:22:33 PM EST
    said Trump. But, then, Trump pointed out their grand and passionate patriotism. "...the people that are following me are very passionate."   "They love their country, they want their country to be great again."   The Boston beaters were followers of Trump.

    Parent
    back in may there was an article in the atlantic claiming that Clinton and Biden have large and serious foreign policy differences . . . and that Biden tends to believe in restraint and that Clinton is not quite neocon but gets along quite well with them . . .

    "Although Biden, like Clinton, supported the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, those calamitous wars have instilled in him a new devotion to the cautious realism that men like Scowcroft and Baker exemplify. In 2009, according to Bob Woodward, the then-secretary of state argued passionately for sending 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan, at one point pounding her fist on the table and declaring, "We must act like we're going to win." Biden, by contrast, didn't think defeating the Taliban was either possible nor necessary, and argued for a narrower mission focused on al-Qaeda alone. What she feared most in Afghanistan was chaos and barbarism. What he feared most was quagmire.

    Biden, according to Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes's book, HRC, was also skeptical of a Western air campaign in Libya. Clinton supported it."

    ARe you folks sure you wish more foreign policy interventioning by the USA . . . and/or the adoption of the view that direct talks with Iran are a mistake?

    Oh, good lord. (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 06:02:39 AM EST
    Biden has been running for president for 27 years now. It's hard to give up the dream. Trying to create drama where there's really nothing much to the story.

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    Guess I don't have to watch the Ted Cruz (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:54:56 AM EST
    rally today- John Dickerson just let him do a 5 minute monologue on Face the Nation. Grrrrrr......

    Weird question (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:04:02 AM EST
    I was just having my weekly chat with my weed connection/nephew.  He was telling me about how a girl we both know had become pregnant.   This girl who is still in high school lives with a family who are not denim skirt wearers but are pretty much exactly the same ideologically.
    So this girl was in a difficult position.  Only her closest friends knew.  She was not showing.   Yet.
    He told me she disappeared for a few days and when she came back told her friends she hand "run until she had a miscarriage".  The girl is a star athlete so it seemed a good story.  But I told my nephew she most likely had an abortion and was afraid to tell anyone.   After making clear he should never repeat what I said because it was nothing but speculation we agreed that was certainly possible.

    But then I was thinking.  What the hell do I know.  So my question for those with more knowledge who would care to have an opinion, is it possible to run until you have a miscarriage?

    If so what an amazing story.

    Not that (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:48:18 AM EST
    early. I do know that the doctors will make you quit running sometimes later in pregnancy like the last trimester but in all honesty that is because your center of balance is off and you can easily fall.

    If she has been a runner and an athlete there's no way she could make herself have a miscarriage by running. She probably did have an abortion and is just afraid to tell people.

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    How sad (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:07:32 PM EST
    My sister-in-law is a marathon runner. She received her scholarship to the Air Force Academy for her endurance running. My husband says she ran through both of her pregnancies.

    When I was pregnant with my daughter I had been riding a lot, and the doctor told me I was fine to continue. Even if I was thrown, the baby is well padded until 3rd trimester.

    You can usually continue whatever exercise you were previously doing until the last trimester makes it too cumbersome.

    Parent

    Try googling (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:29:06 PM EST
    "can you run to cause a miscarriage"

    Clearly this is out there.  Could it be an excuse used by women who cant tell anyone?   People are doing some googling to find out if it's true.


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    I feel for her (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:14:43 PM EST
    So much shame involved. Not being able to feel like you could immediately tell your parents.  Telling your Christian friends first, can't undo that. It isn't going to be healthy for her...none of it :(

    Parent
    If it was possible (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by ding7777 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:15:48 AM EST
    Pro-Lifers would prohibit female jogging

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    Context I forgot (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:22:32 AM EST
    the general atmosphere around here on the subject of abortion.  He said she had close friends who may have been fine with accidental pregnancy but not with abortion.  
    It had to be, he explained, a miscarriage.  
    And the fact that she is an athlete who runs all the time.

    Parent
    Use the google (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:39:16 AM EST
    as I sometimes tell others

    No amount of exercise during pregnancy has been shown to cause a miscarriage. In fact, some experts say that exercise during pregnancy may lower miscarriage risk and make you and your baby healthier. As long as you were running before pregnancy, it's probably safe to keep up your routine.Oct 23, 2013

    At least it confirms my conventional wisdom.
    I was surprised to see the Google search list with many variations of that question.   So clearly the word is out??

    Parent

    It sounds (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:49:03 PM EST
    like she was "running scared."   It seems to me that this is more likely to be an abortion.   A miscarriage is a spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week.  Even if true, abortion procedures and attempts are several--and include the dangerous and tragic when forced into  the underground by stigma and/or denial of women's decisions on their own health.  

    Parent
    I think it more likely that desperate (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:34:59 PM EST
    women/girls are searching for something - anything - they can do to end the pregnancy without having to tell anyone or see a doctor.

    It breaks my heart to know there is still such desperation and shame, and it infuriates me that there are politicians and others who think that if they can keep those feelings alive, make it so young women feel alone and ashamed and dirty, it will actually serve to reduce not just pregnancy, but sexual activity.

    It's worse than Neanderthal.

    Parent

    Call me cynical, but I agree with you about the (none / 0) (#72)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:47:26 PM EST
    possibility of it having been an abortion.

    It's interesting that she told her friends and the story spread as far as you, 40-50 years removed from her peer group.


    Parent

    Not so much (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    the relationship I have with my nephew is pretty rare among those kids I think.  I doubt many 60 yr olds got the news.

    Parent
    In other words (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:22:00 PM EST
    any who did would be freaks like me who could be trusted to know who not to tell.

    Parent
    more re Hrc and the emails (none / 0) (#49)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:23:08 AM EST
    It seems to be contrary to either policy or LAW to store classified material at an unauthorized location.  The server was not officially authorized or regarded as being particularly secure.

    If you are sec of state, it probably comes with the territory that some of your reading and some of your correspondence will be including classified information.  Originally hrc was saying that none of her emails contained any classified information--which would have meant that out of 60,000 and some emails, she somehow either avoided completely including using or mentioning or referring to classified information . . .

    or that

    when she did use, mention or refer to classified information, she actually used some other form of communication such as telephone, in person or written or other emails.

    Now, given that she did not seem to regularly use a gov account . . . how intrinsically likely is it that over the space of several years and over the volume of 60,000 or so emails, that she was so careful to use, mention or refer to classified information only orally or only in regular writing and never in emails?

    Given that HRC and you and me and all the rest of us are human, it is not intrinsically likely.  It is intrinsically likely that she would make mistakes . . . and then, that she would then have broken the law.

    The law could be good or it could be bad, but it seems to be the law . . . some laws require criminal intent and some laws are "strict liablity."  I forget even the meaning of strict liablity . . . but some laws you get in trouble for, even if you did not know you were breaking them.

    Originally hrc claimed that none of her emails were classified or contained classified info, but she has changed apparently her story to saying that none of her emails contained, used or referred to information marked as classified.

    But someone in the position of hrc is supposed to know and behave towards classified info as if it is classified, whether it is marked as such or not.

    Some people are claiming that 2 or more of her emails, out of the 60,000, did in fact use, mention or refer to classified info and I believe I have read that one of those somebodies is the IG of the state department.

    If so, then . . .

    HRC surely would have made an error, just like you or I and dozens and hundreds of other people  . . . in her situation, if we had been using a private email account and server . . . and the law may consider her error a crime without criminal intent . . .

    Where I am from, the response to such a situation is to admit things, to say, I did it and I hope you would have the sense to not prosecute me if possible . . .

    You folks also might wish to consider the fact that a few months ago, I pointed out that there were possible problems, in my view, with the law that made it illegal to wipe clean your computer if you even mildly or somewhat anticipated an investigation of your computer use.  A bunch of you gave me grief about my protests against the law and now one of my questions is, If it is against the law to wipe clean your computer or servers and you know that such computer or servers are likely or even possibly going to be used to gather evidence in a criminal investigation, then,
    would hrc and her server company also be guilty of that crime?

    You folks don't mind when it snares some alleged hacker and you consider it unlikely it would ever be applied in any way to you . . . and now my question is, Does that law apply to HRC's server?

    This subject has been discussed at length ... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:40:52 AM EST
    ... in the multiple threads dedicated to it. I would suggest that you start by reading them, particularly BTD'S analysis of the actual issue.

    Parent
    Apparently (5.00 / 5) (#122)
    by sj on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:05:23 PM EST
    [so far] unconvicted hasn't been getting enough attention lately just walking around a park in public wearing naught but a thong. He has commented in those threads and so he clearly knows about them. Would advise against feeding.


    Parent
    So I see. (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:45:43 PM EST
    Thanks for the heads-up.

    Parent
    other topics tbd (none / 0) (#126)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:11:45 PM EST
    Other topics to be discussed could be the
    St. Paul rape allegations, foreign policy being restrained or interventionist, and whether or not the presence and possession of handguns serves as a deterrent to crime . . .

    Do you folks wish to accuse me of trolling by bringing them up?

    Talkleft has had probably dozens of threads on the Zimmerman trial, which from my point of view was a slam-dunk for the defense . . . and in the St. Paul rape case, we actually have genuine doubt or controversy . . .

    Parent

    I could be wrong (none / 0) (#127)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:20:12 PM EST
    I could be wrong, but so far as I recall, I have posted twice on the subject of the emails.  Once is here .  . .

    and a week or so ago I believe I posted saying I was irritated at the NYTimes for rushing to post false information and then not retract it.

    Presumably, at least, that post was not trolling . . .  

    With respect to this single post which I put up this morning about the same time I posted in this thread, and perhaps partly because someone was asking that I post in the Hillaryemails threads, no one has chosen to comment and explain why I am wrong.

    I know . . . I know . . . It has been a few hours . . .  why would I explain some clarifiations or explanations about being wrong, incorrect or inaccurate over the space of 2-4 hours?  

    I don't know, but you folks have had the time to post a variety of other replies . . . to allege that I am a humor troll . . . and to observe that I did in fact post one single post so far suggesting that HRC might have inadvertently or careless broke the law . . . though now I see that the law on storing classified info at unauthorized locations says you must do so knowingly, meaning that Clinton can escape a criminal charge by saying she did not know the information was classifed . .. but then she creates the impression she is incompetent, if it in fact it was or should have been.

    Parent

    You have 4 comments in the (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:02:35 PM EST
    Saturday Open on the e-mails, and 1 in the Joe Biden thread - that's 5.

    If people wanted to keep talking about the e-mails, they would do so in the threads dedicated to that subject; sorry no one's responding to you there, but you're starting to remind me of a toddler tugging on mommy's skirts begging for attention, and it's annoying.

    Stop whining.

    Parent

    when I post (none / 0) (#153)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:40:36 PM EST
    If and when I post an argument . . . I am open to and somewhat expecting that those who disagree with me will provide a counter-argument.

    One poster in this thread tells Donald from Hawaii some form of "don't bother replying to this guy; he has already posted a similar post in one of the hrc-email threads" . . .

    Yes, in one of the hrc-email threads, I made one post in which I expressed irritation at the NYtimes for bad reporting . . . and then, this morning, one post (speaking of, within the hrc-email threads) to the effect that I think there is a problem here with possible claimed escapes to the claim of breaking the law.

    As of a few minutes ago, people had not responded to it . . . and that is ok . . . but if I present what seems to me to be a good argument . . .

    and those who disagree with me decline to provide a refutation, while they have plenty of time to post in other says, then,

    sure, it is fine that they are "not replying,"

    but their absence of counter-argument suggests to me that my original argument is strong. . . . amazingly, perhaps stronger or less subject to refutation than several dozen posts I made before and during the Zimmerman trial . . .

    On that topic, at least, people who disagreed with me choose to try to state how and why.  On this topic, you simply say I am a humor troll . . . or post in a different thread (which I did or have done) . . . and over in that different thread, there is also silence.

    Oh well.  If you don't wish to bother trying to refute me, you could just volunteer that fact . . .  We could discuss David Hamilton photo books instead . . . or gotopless day or the very nice weather in Seatttle  or some of you could discuss some TV shows and I could ignore that discussion . . .

    Oh, well.

    Parent

    zaitz, you seem to be (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 07:25:35 AM EST
    arguing with yourself.

    Parent
    ok, lets check a few things . . . (none / 0) (#99)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:36:59 AM EST
    BTD writes, "The idea that an email discussing a news article could be deemed "Top Secret" is ludicrous of course. But the IC is nothing if not ludicrous when it comes to classification issues. The story continues: . . ."

    1. An email which includes a discussion of a news article may also contain other information.  The news article is presumably not top secret, but other information in the same email may in fact be or reflect what is top secret.

    2. BTD says that the allegations of problems and classification come from the "IC" or intelligence community.  He speaks as if the IC is some vast amorphous body with vague and arbitrary and contradictory views . . . and the way to hang Clinton is to go by the most extreme and outrageous of the views held by any nut in the IC.  In fact, in at least one news article on a major media news source, I have read that it is the  state department's own IG who regards the information as being top secret . . .

    If so, rather than attribute the allegations of the use of top secret classified info to the "IC," BTD, to be more honest and fair, should in fact attribute the allegation to "IG of the state department."

    Parent
    you are usually (none / 0) (#100)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:43:47 AM EST
    you are usually the voice of reason and calm and frequently a source of at least some sound thinking.

    Are you suggesting that yourself and/or BTD have difficulty distinguishing between parts of an email which reference a news article . . . and other parts of the same email which may or may not reference or include classified information?

    btd says it is ludicrous to suppose that references to or excerpts from a news article could be top secret . . .  well, the news article information is probably no longer top secret after publication, but the question is whether or not, in the same email, there is or was information considered top secret.

    I have not read the email; you probably have not; the IG of the state department probably has.

    Pending my reading of the email, I will give the IG of the state department the benefit of the doubt in his or her determinations as to whether or not it contains top secret info.  You, as a lawyer, think I should be more hasty and conclude otherwise?

    Parent

    zaitz, open threads are a precious commodity (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:47:48 AM EST
    on TalkLeft.  There are half a dozen open HillaryMail threads.

    In the interest of reserving open threads for something besides political hatchet-mongering, could we all agree to post our HillaryMail specific speculations and innuendo only on the Hillary threads?  Please?

    Parent

    I, Robot, (none / 0) (#58)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:58:38 PM EST
    a show that I felt had great promise, is certainly sinking into the doldrums as their first season goes along.

    I still think very highly of the cast, but the scripts are becoming more and more pedestrian.

    What started out as an interesting insight, or take, into the world of computers, politics, corporations and the manipulation of events by brilliant hackers. has morphed into a personal drama - the effects of a childhood trauma and the like.

    It seems a bit difficult for the leads to express the lines they are being given - although they are serious and do their best.

    All the above is only my opinion of course.


    I love it (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:05:20 PM EST
    i predict it will show up at awards time.  Wed is the season finale I think.  I love where it is for that.

    The question now is what else is not real and only in his head.  I think it's brilliant.

    Parent

    Long thing in GIZMODO (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:10:41 PM EST
    on the finale

    A brilliant hacker addled with extreme neuroses and fragile mental health--surrounded by dubious people ready to exploit his talents that could send fiscal shockwaves the world over--doesn't seem like a scenario that'll end well. And it's exactly how we're heading into next week's season finale.



    Parent
    Note (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:43:31 PM EST
    And one additional but very important note: Next week, there will be an important scene that occurs after the credits of the season finale. (Think Marvel Studios.) I'm told that this extra bit is something fans will definitely want to see...


    Parent
    I felt that way about Humans (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 06:49:11 PM EST
    Thought it lost a lot of steam in the final episodes. I got bored with the human family really quick. Angsty teens aren't any more interesting to me when they have synth housekeepers. The only human I cared about was William Hurt. I hope season 2 is more about the synths.

    I'm in 'let it flow ' mode with Mr Robot. I will happily go where the finale takes me.

    Parent

    I'll go with it too... (none / 0) (#83)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 07:17:27 PM EST
    but I would be happier if the plot wasn't becoming so centered on Eliot's psyche and identity crises and was instead continuing to be focused on the ingenious destruction of corporate America.

    Parent
    Actually I like the 'Eliot's psyche' aspect of it (none / 0) (#141)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:52:57 PM EST
    I think they are balancing the aspects extremely well. It helps that Malek is so amazing to watch.

    Parent
    I think next season will be more about the (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:55:22 AM EST
    Synths.   I understand the need for the human family.  To "humanize" her.  I read the shot two different endings.  One in case they were not picked up for another season and one of the were.

    The human family may not even be back next season.   They don't really need to be.

    I like the arc.

    Parent

    It's very smoky here today... (none / 0) (#64)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:05:42 PM EST
    you can't even see across town from the heights, which is where I live.  I can barely make out the outline of Sandia Crest.  It seems to be getting worse as the day wears on.  The smoke is beginning to sting the eyes a bit.  It's from the forests burning down in the Far West.

    I hear this so much (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:31:18 PM EST
    from out west.  Very sad.

    Parent
    David Kendall, the Clintons' Lawyer (none / 0) (#65)
    by Green26 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:09:23 PM EST
    Very impressive. Age 71. From Indiana. Rhodes Scholar.  Yale law school. Clerked for Sup Ct. Williams Connelly law firm. Good article.



    fancy that (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by sj on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 10:50:28 PM EST
    Some political advisers complained the lawyers withheld information or even misled them, and some viewed Mr. Kendall as more worried about a court of law than the court of public opinion.
    A lawyer worrying more about a court of law. And "some [unidentified] political advisors" see that as a problem.  Jeebus.

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    Oops, goofed up the link, I see (none / 0) (#67)
    by Green26 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:18:18 PM EST
    Hope this works. Anyway, NY Times article today.

    NY Times article.

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    And yet .... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:20:11 PM EST
    no link.

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    You can find (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:59:32 PM EST
    a more revelatory link under "passive-aggressive behavior."

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    thanks for catching and fixing (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    faster than I could complain.  ;)

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    Madoff. (none / 0) (#82)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 06:55:33 PM EST
    I was wondering about something about Madoff.
    Maybe someone here has the answer.

    I have read that he never actually invested his clients' money.

    If that be the case, what did all the people on two full floors of office space, with their computers, think that they were doing?

    What did the people compiling  monthly statements, annual tax statements, trade confirmations and bank transfers think that they were doing?

    Were they all in on it, or just clueless?

    What exactly did all those employees do all day on the three floors of the "Lipstick" building - specifically the 18th and 19th floors which were engaged in "stock trading" and computers and paperwork?

    You could read Harry Markopolos' book, (5.00 / 5) (#86)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 09:30:20 PM EST
    No One Would Listen, which will tell you pretty much all you need to know about how this worked.


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    To be sure, Bernie Madoff ran what's since been described as a classic Ponzi scheme. But he went undetected for far longer than most Ponzi grifters because he was a well-versed and active member of the financial industry with nearly a half-century's worth of legitimate experience in the field.

    Thus, Madoff knew how to cover his tracks, and as part of that cover-up he actually had some legitimate business concerns -- hence all the "clueless" people working for him, including his own sons. ("Clueless" was actually a good word you used for these people, because that's exactly what they were, not unlike the many who worked for Enron.)

    Madoff founded his own market maker firm in 1960, and was one of the driving forces behind the launch of the NASDAQ stock market. He sat on the board of National Association of Securities Dealers, and advised the Securities and Exchange Commission on trading securities.

    With those sorts of supposedly impeccable credentials, it was pretty easy for people to believe that as a longtime financial industry veteran, Madoff knew exactly what he was doing.

    And so he did, to his investors' ultimate chagrin.

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    But, (none / 0) (#88)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 10:20:47 PM EST
    for example...

    To send a client a confirmation of a stock transaction that had not in fact taken place would require some active complicity on the part of the person doing it.

    So if it was clueless, what did they think that they were doing?

    I'll have to take Anne's advice and check out,"No One Would Listen".

    Maybe one of the employees might have addressed this question of mine.

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    As I said above, ... (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:48:29 AM EST
    ... not all of Madoff's business was illegitimate. That's key to understanding both what he did in bilking investors out of nearly $65 billion, and how he was able to elude detection by the federal authorities for as long as he did.

    Further, Madoff wasn't acting as people's personal broker on individual transactions. Rather, his scheme was highly dependent upon getting people to invest in his hedge fund, Ascot Partners. It was that hedge fund which was apparently the focus of his scam.

    And unlike other Ponzi schemers, Madoff didn't regale investors with promises of unbelievably high yields on their investments. Instead, Ascot Partners consistently reported moderate rates of return.

    It was that consistency of reporting moderate returns, year in and year out and come hell or high water, which should have eventually raised eyebrows at the SEC. Alas, Madoff himself later professed his personal astonishment that the feds failed to catch on to him until he finally gave up the ghost himself.

    The trades on Wall Street which Ascot Partners and other interests in Madoff's investment firm were making throughout this period were generally legitimate. But the profits derived from those trades were not nearly enough to underwrite Madoff's promise of regular moderate returns from investments in Ascot Partners.

    For that, Madoff forever needed to be attracting large volumes of new investors to Ascot Partners, for which of course his promise of consistent and moderate rates of return, coupled with his longstanding personal reputation as a pillar in the New York financial community, proved to be an irresistible magnet which brought a steady and prodigious flow of investment capital to him.

    If the U.S. economy hadn't tanked in the fall of 2008, which caused Ascot Partners' investors to collectively request $7 billion in immediate redemptions by that December, for which Madoff's investment firm had only $200-300 million on hand to give them, it's quite possible that his scheme might not have been discovered until well after his death.

    And given the SEC's ineptitude in this matter, that is a rather scary thought to ponder. All told, it's a sad but fascinating story, and I'll second Anne's recommendation of the book.

    Aloha.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#97)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 05:36:06 AM EST
    Donald for that detailed information.
    It makes me even more curious about the book - which I have now ordered.

    I had read that the item that raised eyebrows among those who noticed was the fact that, on paper, he "paid" dividends no matter what the market did. Up or down, the dividends were consistent. The red flag.

    But somewhere, someone on the lowest level - the grunt printing out monthly statements of bogus holdings - must have a story to tell. I picture myself in that environment - having that as my day job. Would I have sensed that something crooked was going on?

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    It's not so hard to understand. (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by NYShooter on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:30:39 PM EST
    First of all, "he" didn't pay the dividends, the companies paid them. Those numbers are in the public record, Madoff had no choice but to show that the customers were having those dividends credited to their accounts.  

    Now, as far as those "grunts" at the "lowest levels" were concerned, they only processed what they were given. Madoff's operation was tightly compartmentalized, and, each section handled just one function. They didn't know where the numbers they were handed came from, and, they didn't know what happened to them once their single function was performed, and handed to the next department in the chain.

    Madoff, alone, controlled the chain of events, and, at each critical juncture, Madoff, privately, manufactured the bogus figures before handing the process off to the next cubicle. It wasn't' that hard to do. Using the prior day's activity in the market, Madoff would use those figures to doctor each customer's statement to indicate the trades made in their accounts. If a customer wanted to verify that the trades shown on their statements reflected valid transactions they could go back through the month's activity, and, voila, the trades shown were 100% accurate. Since the customers got their statements once a month, usually on the last day, they could not tell that the trades indicated actually occurred the day before they were posted.

    Finally, a lot has been said about how the SEC was less than vigorous in regulating the markets. Of course, all those criticisms were warranted. The Republican Party was always for, "removing the shackles" from banks & businesses so that they could "compete" in the "global marketplace" on an equal basis.  The idea being that, if left unfettered, the "natural animal juices" would be unleashed, and our companies would just grow, and grow, and grow. And, naturally, along with that growth, and, with the profits generated, they would produce millions & millions new of jobs, jobs, jobs.

    We all know how that turned out. Nobody told us that those "job producers," rather than spend some of those profits doing what we were promised they would do: expand, grow, add jobs, they were used for mansions, yachts, private jets, and, of course, gobs & gobs of jewelry. (Not to mention, countless secret, numbered, off shore banks accounts.)

    Finishing up, we've all heard about that phenomenon that happens in Washington when the watchdog agencies assigned the duty of policing certain industries get too close, too friendly, with the businesses they're supposed to be regulating. It's kind of like the "Stockholm Syndrome," but, in Washington it's called, "Regulatory Capture." It's very easy to understand, too. Since most of the agents working for the regulatory agencies end up in cushy, highly paid jobs with the companies they were supposed to be "policing," it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why their jobs at those agencies consisted, mostly, of "looking the other way," "being AWOL," "being out to lunch," name your own descriptive term. And, no one did that job better than George W. Bush's choice for SEC Chairman than his hand-picked choice, Christopher Cox.

    So there you have it, hope it helps.


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    To be fair, Shooter, ... (none / 0) (#144)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 05:45:44 PM EST
    ... Cox's predecessor at the SEC, Arthur J. Leavitt, Jr., really wasn't all that much better, having since disclosed that he often consulted with Bernie Madoff regarding matters of market performance and function during his own tenure as chair (1993-2001).

    Madoff appears to have spent an awful lot of time consulting with and cozying up to federal regulators during his decades as a Wall Street powerhouse, so in retrospect, it's not all that surprising that they somehow failed to see what was literally happening right in front of them.

    Aloha.

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    Yeah, I don't disagree (none / 0) (#146)
    by NYShooter on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:23:02 PM EST
    There were several Chairmen during Madoff's long, illustrious career. I just zeroed in on Cox because I remember watching the TV when the announcement was made. There had already been quite a lot of talk about needing a strong, no-nonsense type of Chairman for the SEC to reign in the worst abuses being perpetrated on Wall Street. So, when I saw them trotting out C. Cox I just exhaled as if someone punched me in the stomach, and yelled, "Hoo-boy! I couldn't have picked someone worse than Cox no matter what you paid me."

    History proved it to be one of my more accurate predictions, by the way.

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    I admit (none / 0) (#145)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:15:33 PM EST
    to being dense with respect to this...

    but I don't understand...

    Madoff, alone, controlled the chain of events, and, at each critical juncture, Madoff, privately, manufactured the bogus figures before handing the process off to the next cubicle.

    How could Madoff "alone", "privately" manufacture bogus figures, month after month, without many assistants and accomplices?

    I am really ignorant about how this works - obviously.

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    So were a lot of us, lentinel. (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:44:10 PM EST
    I felt the same way after Enron, which tanked and cost me about $80,000. That's why it's incumbent upon us to learn how this stuff happens, and to never be afraid to weigh in on matters of public policy when and where we feel it's appropriate -- and this includes the issue of compensation and remuneration to these so-called "Wizards of Wall Street."

    I've since had to learn to not subscribe to this "Masters of the Universe" characterization which these two-bit operatives have bestowed upon themselves, particularly when their collective behavior has shown the majority of them to be little more than a bunch of friggin' hucksters and hustlers on the make.

    Aloha.

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    O.K, Lentinel, let's have a go at it. (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by NYShooter on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 07:07:35 PM EST
    First, you have to remember that this was a fraud so huge that when I say something like, "Madoff alone," I mean, "relative to the size of the crime (65 Billion Dollars!!!")

    Yes, besides Madoff, there were several other people indicted and convicted of this crime. If I recall correctly, he had a tiny cadre of, I believe, about a half dozen trusted insiders that helped him carry out the scheme. Two, or, three of them were IT (computer) experts. "Alone" meant that Madoff, alone, made the trading transaction decisions, and, since the accounts were computerized, his assistants were able to extend the results to cover his thousands of customers.

    Those "grunts," as you called them, simply, performed the programming necessary to make the monthly statements look legitimate. He needed programmers that could design programs that, using Madoff's numbers, would extrapolate them into producing results indicating average 10% results. That was the approximate growth those customers were promised. But, Bernie, alone, produced the monthly prototypes that his flunkies, then, mass produced.

    Just six (6) people, at the heart of this criminal enterprise, were, primarily responsible for $65,000,000,000 of theft. Pretty good productivity, wouldn't you say? Comes to more than ten Billion apiece.

    But, only ONE, BERNIE MADOFF, knew everything, and, only one kept it all running, undetected, for so many years.


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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#151)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 07:45:56 PM EST
    6 people?

    Very impressive.

    Thank you for clarifying!

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    ... Bernie Madoff and associates probably only kept about $20 billion for themselves. ("Only $20 billion" - oh, well, what's a few dollars between friends, eh?) As far as we can tell, the other $45 billion went toward paying off investors in the Ascot Partners / Madoff Ponzi scheme. And that's why the feds also went after a number of those early investors in civil actions as well, to recover what the government deemed as ill-gotten gains.

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    The Ashley-Madison Data Dump somewhat (none / 0) (#84)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 07:31:55 PM EST
    explained by the New York Times.

    An online tool to check email addresses against the dump dataset.

    Another online tool to check email addresses against the dump's dataset.

    Cheater seeks cheater for cheating.  There's something karmic about that.

    Hunter Biden Denies Ashley-Madison Account (none / 0) (#199)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 01:25:24 PM EST
    Belongs to him.

    Well - who knows and who cares...  But you've gotta wonder how many Karl Rove wannabes planted email addresses in fake Ashley-Madison accounts, like little campaign-side easter eggs waiting to be "discovered."


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    Watched the first episode of Fear The Walking Dead (none / 0) (#92)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:26:42 AM EST
    tonight.  Has potential but man it was slow.  Did it really need to be 90 minutes?  

    Of course it's slow (5.00 / 7) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:42:30 AM EST
    They're Walking Dead, not Running Dead.

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    Zombies in LA (none / 0) (#94)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:43:56 AM EST
    We don't care about not having an NFL team, but we should have our share of zombies......

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    Who didn't see that commodities (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:52:57 AM EST
    Were going to crash?

    re foreign policy . . . (none / 0) (#104)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:55:09 AM EST
    Since I strongly dislike what Obama did in Libya, and since I think we should be happy to be out of Iraq and be getting out of Afghanistan . . .

    I would be much happier with Biden or Rand Paul . . .

    Dow off 3.89% (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:01:06 AM EST
    How will Obama blame Bush???

    This time (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by CST on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:16:31 AM EST
    It's China.

    "The global market turmoil continued on Monday, as stocks fell sharply in the United States, Europe and Asia, led by another big sell-off in China."

    "Philippe Gijsels, head of research at BNP Paribas Fortis Global Markets in Brussels, said there was no sense that an apocalyptic sell-off was at hand, with the United States and European economies able to withstand a bout of turmoil."

    ""We see this as a very nasty correction," he said, "not the start of a new bear market.""

    The U.S. economy is not the cause of this problem, unlike in 2008.

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    Oh no, this time... (none / 0) (#158)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:37:00 PM EST
    it's Planned Parenthood. Or so says Swami Robertson.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:19:38 AM EST
    It's all Obama's fault for crashing the Chinese stock market throwing the worldwide markets into a tailspin.

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    In what universe (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 12:00:21 PM EST
    is this Obama's fault? Get a grip man, get a grip. Obama could s*t gold bricks and you'd complain about the color of the s*t.

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    The obvious question (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:35:29 PM EST
    Dow off 3.89%

    How will Obama blame Bush???

    So if the Dow is off by 1000 points or so HOW MUCH HIGHER IS IT NOW than when Bush left office?

    Also, how will Jim blame Obama for how the Chinese stock market is run?


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    You know (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 01:46:04 PM EST
    you think they would be smart enough to not mention a president that left office with an approval rating in the 30's but I guess not.

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    Thank you Obama (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:24:02 AM EST
    Now the markets can reflect the fundamentals :) Finally

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    yea it's weird (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by CST on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:28:52 AM EST
    I'm not that worried about this crash.  I'm generally worried about the overall state of the U.S. economy, because I feel that there are a lot of underlying issues.  At the same time the growth that's occurring on the ground now feels real and not like a bubble.  But stocks needed to drop, that was a bubble.

    Even the local real-estate bubble.  There's a huge housing shortage - nothing is sitting around empty.  These aren't artificially inflated prices, it's just that expensive.

    This isn't 2008.  We didn't just lose Lehman Brothers.

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    I think you are right (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:36:19 AM EST
    its China.  The problem seems to be, one of the problems, that since they manipulate their markets it seems possible that it's actually way worse than we really know.

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    If I could afford it (none / 0) (#114)
    by CST on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:06:38 AM EST
    I'd double my 401K contribution right now.

    I'm seriously considering whether I can afford it (I can't), and if not double, then what can I afford...

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    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:28:50 AM EST
    i recommend this.  It's how I was accidentally able to buy a house.

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    people always forget (none / 0) (#116)
    by CST on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:35:03 AM EST
    The buy low part of the equation, especially if you are young, but either way things don't take that long to bounce back.

    Unfortunately it's usually not that simple.  You need to have money to buy low.

    I do think I will increase it, just trying to be smart about how much I can actually afford.

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    The best thing people can do is (none / 0) (#118)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:52:35 AM EST
    have the contribution done automatically, so you never have the money in your hands; it's much harder to force yourself to write a check than it is to function as if you never had the money in the first place.

    I do the same thing with savings: I have a certain amount automatically deposited in my savings account every pay period, and I rarely think of it as "available funds."  Even though I obviously have access to it whenever I need it, it's more of an out-of-sight/out-of-mind thing, to the point that I'm sometimes surprised at how much has accumulated.

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    You know Jim, (none / 0) (#140)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:29:12 PM EST
    Bush, W. that is, was a charlatan, a rogue and a liar. He destroyed the economy.

    Even if one were to postulate that the current nosedive in stocks was the fault of the Obama administration instead of the obvious conclusion that this "correction" has been long predicted - simultaneous with the Fed waffling about a rate increase, and China devaluing its currency - it doesn't change that fact that W. was a terrible heartless, mean, arrogant sob whose tenure resulted in the slaughter of thousands.

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    Your "topics," such as ... (none / 0) (#143)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 05:31:47 PM EST
    JimakaPPJ: "Dow off 3.89%. How will Obama blame Bush?"

    ... they are, seem to always devolve to you finding some way to blame President Obama for whatever. As such, your game has become quite tedious and tiresome, and so it's really not surprising that few people here want to play.

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    Observation: the NYT (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:31:41 PM EST
    Included these stories in the ArtsBeat section:

    (1). Jon Stewart at WWE, and

    (2). Wiz Khalifa arrested at LAX for refusing to get off hoverboard.  

    Why?

    Why it could be worse... (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 02:49:02 PM EST
    they coulda did a piece on the artistic qualities of the emojis used by Hillary in her emails.

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    There goes the neighborhood (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:10:16 PM EST
    The incident (none / 0) (#139)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 04:22:04 PM EST
    on the train in France makes me once again aware that all we have been doing is treating the symptoms of an illness, and not spending much energy at all at trying to cure it.

    Specifically, peoples in the Muslim world have legitimate grievances against the Western world.

    I noted that the perpetrator in France had already been on some kind of watch list.

    A lot of good that does.

    There is, unfortunately, no way to prevent unbalanced or fanatical or determined people from wreaking violence upon the innocent. They feel justified. That is the way with war.

    So what we need to do is to make a concerted effort to understand their grievances. Disarm them by compassion.

    That may sound naive, but I think it is a much more efficient means of diffusing this endless cycle of violence than our current course of resorting to ever more military action.

    We also have to face the fact that wealth is very unevenly distributed in this world. People are starving in some countries, while in others there is relative abundance.

    Until we treat the causes of violence, we will just continue to think we can control things by putting scanners at airports and monitoring what people say hoping to find one stupid enough to announced a time and date certain for their projected evil deed.

    What are some of the legitimate grievences? (none / 0) (#159)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 11:21:16 PM EST
    Two come to mind... (none / 0) (#166)
    by lentinel on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 05:39:40 AM EST
    The invasion of Iraq - with its attendant slaughter and displacement of thousands upon thousands of civilians.

    The overthrow by the CIA of the democratically elected government in Iran and the installation of the Shah - a brutal dictator.

    That should get you started.

    Can you imagine how we would feel had the shoe been on the other foot?

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    Well (none / 0) (#168)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 06:08:28 AM EST
    The terror attacks, coordinated, and lone wolf, are worldwide. It is not a USA phenomena.

    The governments that exist in the region are also all very brutal to their own citizens, have a greater income inequality between the rulers and the masses.

    And now massive refugees from Libya, Syria have flooded Europe, already crowded with immigrants.

    It is a mess, and I do not see a way out.

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    Meanwhile in Baltimore: (none / 0) (#147)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:25:45 PM EST
    Over the many decades, the USC Trojans ... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:34:07 PM EST
    ... have often been the default choice of prognosticators as the favorite for the PAC-12 football championship, as they are this year, as well. But if that's the case, then what happened at Saturday night's annual football kickoff event, "Salute to Troy," had to have been very disconcerting for Trojan boosters, to say the least.

    Because according to attendees, Coach Steve Sarkisian showed up completely inebriated, slurring his words and cursing aloud, and was so unsteady on his feet that he actually had to be pulled offstage by USC athletic dept. personnel before his remarks were completed.

    "Get ready to f---in' fight on, baby!" LOL! I bet that went over really well with the old Trojans and other USC donors seated in the front row.

    The best thing UW did was allow Sarkisian to leave for SoCal, and hire Boise State's Chris Peterson -- who had turned down USC only days earlier -- - as his replacement. That in turn allowed Boise State to hire a great new coach from within, and everybody did fine at USC's expense. As it should be.

    Go, Huskies!

    I have never understood the (none / 0) (#157)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:54:53 PM EST
    Sarkisian hype. He did a terrible job at UW. I do not see him as the future of USC football. I doubt USC wins their division, must less the PAC-12.

    Parent
    ... and I'll credit him for that. But they quickly plateaued as a 6-8 win team, and never really got any better. And frankly, some of his UW teams were marked by embarrassing breakdowns in the fundamentals, like blowing a 21-point second half lead at home against Hawaii with five successive turnovers inside their own 25, and giving up 70 points in a blowout loss to Baylor with a "defense" that couldn't have stopped a ladies' church social.

    I expect Chris Petersen to take them to the next level.

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    global non-warming, obviously . . . (none / 0) (#160)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 11:58:39 PM EST
    the news has reported that we are at about 1300 or 1400 minutes of above 80 degrees in Seattle, a new record and about twice the average . . .

    I think that our fires which have been in the news are the worst in state history . . . apparently a random fluke in the view of those who do not believe in global warming . . .

    re gun laws (none / 0) (#161)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:03:07 AM EST
    apparently a young inmate in washington who was part of fighting the fires ran off .  ..  stole a handgun from a car and then used it in some way . . .

    since I have tried to learn some of the laws re gun possession, tis interesting to see a problem resulting probably from someone who had not securely their handgun . . . which you are supposed to do when you have it in your vehicle . ..

    Donald Trump in response to Bush's (none / 0) (#170)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:30:45 AM EST
    Updated anchor babies comment pronounced Bush and his "fiasco" a mess. It's just a mess.

    It's so comical, because he says it with such conviction and 1/2 the Conservative base will agree with him today. But hasn't Donald been twice the mess? Nobody seems to notice.

    I posted a New Yorker link (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:44:11 AM EST
    in the Richardson thread that had many interesting insights.
    This one struck me-

    "I love to see somebody like Donald Trump come along. Not that I believe anything that he says. But he is stirring up chaos in the G.O.P., and for us that is good."

    I hear this a lot.  

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    That was from a "white power" (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:54:23 AM EST
    fellow

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    What's with Southern love of chaos (none / 0) (#185)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:01:42 AM EST
    Except on Sundays and spaghetti night bingo Wednesdays :)?

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    I found this interesting (none / 0) (#177)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:57:25 AM EST
    Some perspectives on the Democratic pipeline.  He calls the current state of top Democrats "Amtrak Democrats". (Yes, from someone at the Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank, but he isn't making political arguments here, but rather demographic observations.)

    Link

    Amtrak is an apt metaphor when considering the Democrats' crop of 2016 presidential hopefuls - and why the party may be in more trouble than it realizes.

    The problem, in two words: geographic isolation.

    On paper, it's a good time to be a national Democrat. The party's won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. According to a Pew Research Center survey from earlier this year, 48 percent of Americans identify with or lean toward the Democratic column, versus only 39 percent for the GOP.

    But reality speaks otherwise.

    The party that denigrates Republicans as exclusionary and lily-white has not a single minority presidential candidate at present.

    The same Democratic Party that gave America three 40-something presidents in JFK, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama has not a single presidential candidate who's AARP-ineligible.

    And the same party that claims to speak for America's heartland has not a single presidential candidate from the west, south or northwest of suburban Washington, D.C.

    Instead, what the Democrats offer in 2016 is the equivalent of Amtraks's Vermonter, which runs each morning from the nation's capital to St. Albans in the upper left corner of the Green Mountain State.

    (Yes, it can be argued that Democrats have a woman running, which, even though part of a 52% majority, is still considered a minority.  And yes, it can be argued that HRC is from Illinois and lived in Arkansas for many years ago - but that was 20 years ago and longer).

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    So why should this concern Democrats, especially with Republicans mired in their summer of voter discontent?

    Three reasons:

    1. Not since 1976 and Jimmy Carter has America elected a president whose voting address fell in the Eastern time zone. Before Carter, John F. Kennedy was the last to do the trick.

    2. Except for Webb, who's virtually non-existent as a candidate but whose home state of Virginia could decide next year's outcome, none of the Democratic hopefuls comes from a pivotal swing state (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Ohio).

    3. Even if the Democrats wanted a non-Eastern, non-Hillary alternative, that creature apparently doesn't exist. As already referenced, the biggest names that might challenge Mrs. Clinton all are "Amtrak Democrats."

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    For Democrats, such is the mixed blessing that's been the Obama presidency. On the one hand, after two decisive Obama wins, the next Democratic nominee enjoys a 332-206 working advantage in the Electoral College (that's using 2012's results as a baseline for 2016).

    Now, the bad news: During Obama's tenure, Democrats have lost 16 Senate seats, 48 House seats and 11 governorships, placing the party at lows unseen since the 1920s. And then there's this question: If there's no Clinton45 presidency, who runs in 2020?

    Definitely things to think about.

    I wonder the impact (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:21:36 AM EST
    If Trump is the nominee - as he is also an "Amtrak" candidate.

    I still think it's weird that the Republican base is somehow connecting with a Wall Street Republican.

    If Hillary loses - I could see Martin O'Malley taking another shot.  But I agree that we have some long-term downticket/governor/youth related problems in the party.

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    apparently Seattle did gotopless a bit (none / 0) (#179)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM EST
    In other world news . . . and more important than discussions about email servers . . .

    I see that Seattle has finally managed to create a gotopless day event with some people who actually showed up . . . which appears to be a first . . .
    One of my friendly acquaintances went and that was quite nice and told me about it .. .

    you folks do know that 8/23 was gotopless day?

    I think there were events or "protests" in Denver as well, or at least, there were supposed to be . . . you never know . . . did any gals gotopless for Denver's gotopless day?

    Seattle has just changed (none / 0) (#196)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 12:55:25 PM EST
    The taxes for buying weapons in the city.  Can't remember how much more one now has to pay for a handgun, but they are imposing a five cent per bullet additional charge.  It may not be legal, but they're doing it.

    why would it be illegal (none / 0) (#197)
    by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 01:05:15 PM EST
    to charge taxes?

    This is an honest (not snarky) question.

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