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    The Boston Globe (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CST on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:25:08 PM EST
    Resident Republican has an article today titled "Donald Trump is no champion of the little guy"

    What can I say about this - the actual article itself is completely besides the point, IMO.  It talks about eminent domain, essentially tying Trump to the big government evil Dems.

    But really this is hilarious on a number of levels.  The first level is the amount of freaking out the northeastern "moderate" republicans are doing right now.  This is your typical money crowd, but they are not Trumps.  They may do business with Trump if they have to, but they like to keep up appearances.

    They certainly do not give a $hit about the "little guy".

    These are the people that elected Mitt Romney, multiple times, first as gov, and then pushed him for the Republican nomination.  The 47% moochers comment was made to a room full of these people.

    They know they are losing, and they're losing it, and it's amazing to watch.

    Oh, that (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:42:31 PM EST
    is rich. I remember that story and I also remember Republicans were very much on the side of Trump at the time. It seems like everything the GOP has been advocating has come full circle to eat them up.

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    Trump's (none / 0) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:47:51 PM EST
    The "useful idiots"... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:51:45 PM EST
    to the moneyed wing of the Republican party are no longer useful...they've taken over the asylum.  It's kind of beautiful, in an extremely ugly and hateful way, if that makes any sense.

    I hope we can say the same thing about the useful idiots to the moneyed wing of the Democratic party one day...if not this go round with Bernie, then next time with the next Bernie.  

    We should all stop working on Maggie's Farm.

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    it is sad (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by CST on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 03:23:37 PM EST
    and a little scary.

    Howdy has a comment in the other thread about how the Trump crowd seems young.

    This is what happens when you take away opportunity and give people a convenient scapegoat.

    Luckily I think we're not that far gone yet.  But it didn't have to be like this.  You push people and push people and eventually they snap.  And not always in the most logical or best direction.

    I still think that cooler heads will prevail.  But long-term that will mean nothing unless we can do something about the lack of opportunity and income inequality.

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    Cooler heads won't do it (none / 0) (#152)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:39:00 AM EST
    It will take more imaginative heads, and the Democratic Party, as an almost equally corrupt institution, simply does not possess them. THis election cycle may hold off chaos, but until the Dems, or some party that ACTS in a genuinely progressive manner, we are doomed as a nation to a version of a civil war. Too many guns, too much madness.

    Now, what do I mean by imagination: how about a Democrat start by saying this: "We all have to face our profound delusions about money, what it is, where it is created, what actually gives it value. And we have to face the fact that all of us, myself included, for far too long, have talked about and treated money like religious fundamentalists talk about and treat the concept of God." And then that Dem needs to be able to point out the several times they themselves, like we all do every day, have disgustingly and inexcusably empowered that prejudice, have helped money defeat people again and again."

    IOW, if Hillary Clinton could evidence a SMIDGEN of self critical ability, to accept and be ashamed of her and her husband's role in the increased incarceration of minorities for inhumane and irrational reasons, for example, then she would succeed in a broader fashion. People respect people who are not bullies. But until those people act BETTER and more imaginatively than the bullies, and they haven't yet, nothing will change. Will will piss into the wind and wonder why our eyes are burning.  

    But what do I know?  Not much. So screw me.

    Peace, y'all.

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    And Sanders does not get my worship either (none / 0) (#153)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:45:22 AM EST
    A pasty white guy, from a pasty white state, a state tiny and not representative at all of the larger nation or its more complicated problems, should have the ability to talk about his own absurdities in that respect.

    It's high school clique bullsh*t. That's what American politics still is. Functionally developmentally disabled. The end.

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    I didn't mean cooler heads will fix the problem (none / 0) (#154)
    by CST on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:53:49 AM EST
    just that I didn't think we were going straight fascist yet.

    Sanders... I always liked him as Senator of VT.  I think he makes a great Senator of VT.  And the "cult of Sanders" is often ugly.  But it's far far better than the "cult of Trump".  And I think it could be important, not in the sense of Sanders being the next president, but in the sense of normalizing democratic socialism on the political stage.

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    also (none / 0) (#155)
    by CST on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:55:03 AM EST
    Presidential politics is a show.  But man, every other election matters just as much, if not more.  And that's where we really need to step it up.

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    "The rapacious Ms. Huffington." (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 04:42:37 PM EST
    David Sze, research editor for the Huffington Post, cheerily forwarded a request from publisher Arianna Huffington to former L.A. Times journalist Lauren Lipton, asking for her assistance in obtaining some information for a book Ms. Huffington is ostensibly writing.

    One can only wonder what he -- and his boss -- thought of Ms. Lipton's blistering response:

    "I have worked my entire career as a professional journalist. [...] I am very, very good at what I do. Unfortunately, your boss's predatory business practices have deeply undercut the ability of all reporters, writers and editors to make any kind of living wage. The rapacious Ms. Huffington seems to believe that journalism skills are worth nothing, and that my beleaguered colleagues and I should be thrilled to help her make hundreds of millions of dollars in return for 'exposure.' If Ms. Huffington would like to know how I uncovered that particular statistic, she is free to hire me and pay me for my time and expertise. If she doesn't wish to do so, she is welcome to track it down herself."

    Touché and LOL!

    News from Kentucky- I was wrong (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 11:03:06 PM EST
    On August 18, I predicted that the temporary stay of the injunction requiring the Rowan County clerk to issue same-sex (and opposite-sex) marriage licenses would be lifted within a week. I was wrong. It took eight days. The stay was lifted Wednesday afternoon.

    Losing your touch, eh? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 01:26:34 AM EST
    Darn good thing you have made (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 07:42:41 AM EST
    several deposits to the credibility bank. We can forgive you a one day error.  I would hate to have to start ignoring your comments!!!

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    Funny (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:54:49 AM EST
    Haha. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:00:58 AM EST
    LOL

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    Charles Blow has a Trump Hissy Fit (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:35:59 AM EST
    I will cover Trump as he addresses issues with specific policy prescriptions and details, like answers to the question Ramos asked.

    Until then, this man is not worthy of the attention he's garnering. We in the media have to own our part in this. We can't say he's not serious and then cover him in a way that actually demonstrates that we are not serious.

    Is he an easy target for righteous criticism? Of course he is. But is he aware that criticism from the mainstream media is invaluable among certain segments of the political right? Of course he is. Is he also aware that he's getting more free publicity for being outrageous than he would ever be willing to buy? Of course he is.

    The media is being trolled on a massive scale and we look naïve and silly to have fallen for it, even if he draws readers and viewers. When people refer to the press as the fourth estate, it shouldn't be confused with a Trump property.

    Let's think about that.  What he seems to be saying is that the news media should not cover the person who is not only leading but crushing everyone else in support to become the candidate of one of the two major parties because they don't like what he is saying.

    Personally I find this idea that media should not only report the news but decide what it is since in Blows view they clearly need to control what we see for our own protection far more troubling than any real Trump threat.  Which as far as I can see only endangers pearls from over clutching.

    At one time (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:09:14 AM EST
    there was an opinion piece in the paper and sometimes a 30 second opinion piece at the end of a news broadcast. Now opinions dominate the news in tv, print, and the internet.

    Blowhards get attention and bring ratings and internet clicks and it's that type of atmosphere where a large chunk of news organizations have made their living. Pomposity from many in the media has found their next of kin with Trump. There is little class and no winners in that group.

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    Yes Yes Yes (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:20:24 AM EST
    And I like the Cuomo on CNN. This morning though, he was speaking to the boyfriend of the murdered female reporter. Obviously this couple was very in love. And Mr. Cuomo asks him if he still feels luckier than most to at least have had that kind of relationship once. How is that news? Did he just want the guy to start sobbing on the air or something?

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    This sounds heartless (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:35:37 AM EST
    but does Cuomo not realize a huge chunk of the population has experienced that "relationship" for a few months in time. (the one is question being just 9 months)

    The bf was on facebook and twitter telling his story soon after the killings.

    Just like the killer taking to facebook and twitter, it's social media run amok. It's the "hey look at me" culture of today.

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    btw I still prefer amuck (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:41:48 AM EST
    Is that no longer appropriate? My spellchecker balks at amuck and prefers amok.

    Parent
    MSNBC had a very long segment (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:40:02 AM EST
    with that poor man and his picture book this morning.   It was cringeworthy.  It seemed to me to be the most obvious exploitation.

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    My question would be (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:44:02 AM EST
    who was being exploited?

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    I have avoided looking at the (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:58:26 AM EST
    Shooter story. It's too creepy for me. And he wanted me to rubber neck, I don't want his wishes to come true. I did hear blurbs though that he was sort of making his own news reports on what was going on/what he was doing, and uploading it to social media. I did not realize that her boyfriend had hit Twitter and had gone full on social media. Seems all twisted up and bizarre, and mostly because they were all "in the business".

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    Of course he did. (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 11:01:59 AM EST
    And I hate it when they do that.  It's just so cheap and disrespectful to so obviously be trying to make someone break down, and for what? So the segment will have more impact?  

    It's disgusting.

    I don't even know why someone would give reporters the time of day in that situation.  Read a statement, issue a statement, fine.  But they do themselves no favors letting them get up close and personal.  

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    Good question Anne (none / 0) (#87)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 11:06:55 AM EST
    but the bf is a TV news anchor so would it be fair to assume he knew exactly what he was doing?


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    He was very anchorish too (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 11:19:30 AM EST
    Clear, stayed dry eyed. I can check that one off my list.  Astronaut...nope, News Anchor....nope :)

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    Ugh...hard to say, I guess. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 11:51:46 AM EST
    Is it reasonable to expect someone to shift from grieving survivor mode to anchor mode that quickly, or to use the opportunity to demonstrate anchor qualities?

    Is it unfair to perhaps question his sincerity, or the depth of his grief just because he may have reverted to a more public persona?

    I don't know.

    The fact that we're even asking these questions or judging his response says something, but I'm not sure what, unless it's that we've come to regard media figures as soul-less, craven opportunists devoid of real emotion.

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    It's awful (none / 0) (#95)
    by sj on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 02:49:56 PM EST
    Did he just want the guy to start sobbing on the air or something?
    IMO it's a variation of the "How do you feeeeel..." question when someone has just experienced a tragedy.

    Thoughtlessly heartless and totally awful.

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    That was of course (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:33:01 AM EST
    the lead story on HuffPo.  Which I have decided is an entertainment site.   Not a news site.

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    i often find Charles Blow (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:39:18 PM EST
    intellectually dishonest, & oh so smug about it

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    It would (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:02:48 AM EST
    be worse IMO if the press didn't cover him. It's not like they're ignoring other GOP candidates though they are not getting as much press.

    Pretty sanctimonious from Blow.

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    I can read, I don't need an interpreter (none / 0) (#70)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:13:04 AM EST
    What he seems to be saying is that the news media should not cover the person who is not only leading but crushing everyone else in support to become the candidate of one of the two major parties because they don't like what he is saying.

    He said what he said, not, "What he seems to be saying..."  The media dignify Mr. Trump's (and general GOP) stupidity by pretending it is somehow normal and acceptable, and by doing so the press "normalizes" stupidity to the point where Mr. Trump is seen as "serious."

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:30:58 AM EST
    And we all know people are sheep...is Trump leading the polls because he gets so much coverage or is he getting so much coverage because he is leading in the polls?  aka the chicken or the egg?

    Whatever the reason, the issues get forgotten and we get cult of personality, and it seems to get worse every day.

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    I really not sure (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:31:29 AM EST
    how it is not serious.   Or when it becomes serious.  When he wins the nomination, can we talk about hm then?

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    I didn't say (none / 0) (#78)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:40:07 AM EST
    "Don't talk about him."  

    What I "seem to be saying" is that when the guy is stupid, the media should point it out.  Instead they act like it's okay and even normal to be stupid.  (Given the current GOP field, it IS normal!)

    Example: Trump NEVER ANSWERS A QUESTION.  He makes wild statements that can't be defended, and then when challenged he deflects or dissembles, BUT HE NEVER ANSWERS.  The reason of course is that he rules in his own world, and in that world he is never questioned, because the answer is always, "You're fired!" or "Go back to Unavision."

    Why does the press treat the refusal to take ANY QUESTION seriously as a normal aspect of political coverage?

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    To be fair... (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:48:23 AM EST
    politicians rarely really answer questions for as long as I've been alive...Trump has just taken the non-answer answer to a new level of bombastic absurdity.  

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    I'm not sure how much news you watch (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:45:20 AM EST
    but I watch too much.   The press has treated Trump like a joke for months.   They have only recently, very recently, seemed to become aware that while they were making jokes about him he has rocketed to the top of every pole.

    The media has been pointing out the guy is stupid 24/7 for months.

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    Which btw (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM EST
    is the one thing I agree with Blow about.  Their treatment of Trump absolutely helped him rise.  They are now starting to treat him, yes, more seriously.  A good thing IMO

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    When has the media treated him as stupid? (none / 0) (#97)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 02:59:05 PM EST
    Aside from political commentary type shows , regular news has been treating him as, well, news for some time. I've not seen any belittling.

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    Media Matters July 22nd (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 04:06:00 PM EST
    It's hard to miss the media's looming sense of bewilderment over Donald Trump's continued strong showing among Republican voters. As the bulling billionaire cements his status as this summer's star GOP attraction, many pundits and reporters have been left scratching their heads over the turn of events.

    Regularly dismissed one month ago as a campaign distraction, much of the Beltway media appeared to be in agreement that Trump's campaign was nothing more than a joke and might not even be worth covering.

    But now with poll after poll showing him racing to the front of the Republican pack, journalists are trying to make sense of it all. (The fallout from Trump's attack on Sen. John McCain's war record is still being calculated.)

    "Everybody has been surprised that Donald Trump has seen these kind of poll numbers," noted Bloomberg's Steven Yaccino. Indeed, Trump's "surprising" frontrunner status has been a constant media theme -- especially after his campaign was first tagged as a "giant joke" and "sideshow" by some pundits. (Last month, the Washington Post pointed to Trump's favorability rating among Republicans as evidence for "Why no one should take Donald Trump seriously.")
    --
    Some Beltway analysts blame the press for Trump's rise, insisting it's only because he's generating so much media attention that Republican voters are selecting him as their top choice. But that premise only works if you assume Trump doesn't connect with a certain group of voters. The fact is, most of Trump's coverage over the last month has been highly unflattering, as journalists and pundits detail his seemingly endless string of outrageous statements. (Minus Fox News, of course, where several hosts continue to fawn over him.) Yet Trump's favorable rating among Republican voters has been on the rise, suggesting that he is, in fact, connecting with the GOP base.

    The idea that Trump's appeal isn't genuine or that the press has lured Republicans into supporting him is likely more comforting than acknowledging the truth: Trump, an ignorant, nativist birther, is appealing to an often-ugly streak within the conservative movement. He's winning over the illogical, demagoguery wing of the Republican Party that's been feasting off far-right media hate rhetoric for years.



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    Chuckle. The sentence structure (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:27:30 PM EST
    from Media Matters actually states that much of the Beltway media was regularly dismissed as a campaign distraction.

    Works for me . . . while I bemoan poor writing and  increasing instances in media and elsewhere of this sentence-construction error.  Well, usually, I bemoan it, but this time it gives me a good laugh.  


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    Interestingly (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 04:08:35 PM EST
    pre war with FOX

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    That aligns with what I said (1.00 / 1) (#107)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 05:43:00 PM EST
    the punditry type shows, and yes that includes the all-day news on cable networks, has added much in the way of commentary and smarmy remarks.

    Regular evening news and morning news shows on major networks - not so much.  

    I work from home w/the news on all day so I know about that which you speak.

    I think we should be very wary of Trump's success - and I was concerned about his ability to garner support long before current polling.  People like the person with money who talks like they do.  We on the Democratic side ridicule him at our peril.  I need to read Blow's editorial.  He's right in that the media - thru it's focus on the silly superficial stuff has certainly been an enabler.

    As BTD has stated (paraphrasing here) you have to fight fire w/fire.  Take Trump seriously now and don't laugh when you make the statement - his proposals are unworkable and will never happen.  Ridicule doesn't reflect well on the speaker.

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    Preaching to the choir (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 07:12:23 PM EST
    i have been taking Donald seriously pretty much forever.  I think what he represents is truly frightening.   That said.

    Donald Trump will never be president.  It seems increasingly likely he might actually be the republican nominee but he will never be president.   I can't believe anyone who knows anything about electoral politics would think he would.   Including Donald Trump,  From demographics to the electoral college with lots of reasons in between.  He will never be president.  The republican establishment certainly knows this which is why they are sh!tting bricks.  David Duke gave a long and thoughtful endorsement of Trump today.  David Duke.

    We should absolutely take him and what he represents seriously.  But we should not get carried away.  I love what he is doing.  He is destroying the Republican Party for at least a generation.  Glass half full.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#117)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 07:39:53 PM EST
    Will never be President, nor will he get the nomination.
    A most telling factor is in the last national poll, 45% chose a non politician, Trump, Carson and Fiorina. People are tired of politicians, Sanders , despite all his years in Congress, can qualify as the non typical politician as well.
    Trump has the most name id of the 3, and it shows.  Carson is a surprise, maintaining his polling numbers and Fiorina is rising as people get to know her.
    When it comes down to casting a vote, as opposed to answering a poll, in 6 months I expect Trump to come back to earth.
    But you never know.......

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    "Donald Trump will never be president"? (none / 0) (#129)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:44:50 PM EST
    i remember friends confidently making the same pronouncement about Ronald Reagan

    turns out they were wrong & i was right

    unfortunately

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    Well (none / 0) (#135)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 06:32:51 AM EST
    Reagan was governor of the largest state,

    He proved he could get votes

    And as the country got to know him, they voted for him

    Everyone already knows Trump, and no one has ever voted for him

    When the field narrows down, his support will hit a ceiling

    Now what other candidate left at the end can attract his supporters?

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    Reagan created what became known (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 06:54:57 AM EST
    as Reagan Democrats.   Democrats who voted for him.   Trump is creating, some have said so in these threads, Trump Repiblicsns.  Republicans who vote against him.

    Sorry.  I get the comparison but no.  Not IMO

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    No President Trump (none / 0) (#137)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:00:28 AM EST
    Either way, Trump will not get the nomination

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    in the (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:32:38 AM EST
    end it's not going to matter because they all sound just like Trump.

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    Thanks Oculus! (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:45:17 AM EST
    Your beloved Padres beat the Nats last night, and the Mets win again!  NL East lead now stands at a season high 6.5 games.  

    Old Man Bartolo gets his groove back and tosses 6 scoreless, while the bats keep on mashing and bashing.    

    Shooting for the sweep and 7 in a row tonight...Lets Go Mets!!!

    And the Cubs catch fire in the (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 02:43:56 PM EST
    division that is ALL on fire! They are in 3rd in the Central, but have a better record then the Mets who are in 1st in the East.

    Here's hoping for a wild card berth - or a hot streak against the hated Cards.

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    Indeed... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 02:53:47 PM EST
    Thank the baseball gods the Nats suck, otherwise I think there is no catching the Bucs and Cubbies for those NL wild cards.  NL Central is the best division in baseball.

    And if I may be so bold as to dream ahead (and risk the kdog K.O.D.), the Cards will be stuck having to play the wild card winner in the NLDS, Mets will get the Dodgers or Giants.  I want no part of the Cubbies or Bucs, they've both beaten us up like we're a red-headed stepchild this year.


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    Just got tickets today (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 03:05:08 PM EST
    For a Nats game vs. the Mets on September 9 and we are road-tripping to Queens to watch the Mets and Nats go at it again on October 3.

    The Mets-loving BF is very happy.  :)

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    Awesome... (none / 0) (#101)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 03:22:41 PM EST
    you can help us all celebrate our first NL East title since 2006 in person!

    Hometown tip...hit Amore for a couple slices before the game, best pizza in all of NYC and the heros/dinners are top notch too.  

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    Ha ha (none / 0) (#141)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:41:31 AM EST
    BF is a Native NY'er (grew up in the Village), and if we have pizza, it's at John's on Bleeker Street, which he swears is the best pizza in NY (I've learned this is a VERY serious debate topic for NY'ers).

    But maybe we can expand his horizons, so nice I swear he will turn into puzza one say (he loves it that much), so thank you for the tip! We may check it out!

    And by then, his beloved Giants will also be playing, so we may catch part of a game on Sunday at a local watering hole!

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    Manhattan? (none / 0) (#170)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:49:39 PM EST
    That's the 5th Borough I'd go to for a good slice...the pizza in Manhattan is as lousy as Long Island pizza these days;)  

    And a Giants fan?  Just when I was starting to really like this guy! lol

    7 in a row in the books in dramatic 13 inning fashion...when the starting pitching falters and the bats strand over a dozen in scoring position, the beleaguered middle relief picks up the slack.  A different facet willing us to victory every night lately, it's really starting to feel like a Miracle Amazin' Mets season.

    Sickest play I've seen in awhile, courtesy of last night's heroes Carlos Torres and Murph-Murph.  Check it out...take a seat Frenchy!  

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    So where are the good cheap eats in Manhattan? (none / 0) (#171)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:00:33 PM EST
    Try the Jewish delis (none / 0) (#173)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:21:20 PM EST
    We really like Tal Bagels, but there are other great Jewish delis.  
    Russ and Daughters has great smoked fish.  If you want to buy a quarter or half pound, the fish is not cheap, but if you want a bagel sandwich, it's delicious, and affordable.  They don't make their own bagels, they get them from the Bagel Hole (another great source for tasty bagels), and Russ and Daughters'  smoked fish is to die for.

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    Thanks Zorba (none / 0) (#175)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:23:42 PM EST
    I may be hanging around up there during the NYC Marathon and will need those tasty calories.

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    Katz's Baby!... (none / 0) (#176)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:26:27 PM EST
    but it ain't cheap...Pastrami and a liter of Doc Brown's Black Cherry Soda is basically 20 bucks.

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    Last time I hit a NY deli was with my daughter (none / 0) (#178)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:30:33 PM EST
    One sandwich, and between the two of us we still had leftovers. Have to have a Trump sized mouth to knock those things down, but damn it was good.

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    Katz's is great, too (none / 0) (#180)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 02:29:14 PM EST
    But I love my bagel with cream cheese and lox or Nova, or any other smoked fish.
    We can't get bagels down here like you can get them in NYC.  They just aren't the same here, and they definitely aren't as good.
    The pizzas up there are really good, too.   ;-)


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    It's the water... (none / 0) (#181)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 02:45:16 PM EST
    NYC Tap Water is the reason our bagels and pizza (and the famous Lemon Ice King of Corona) are so god damn good....people have tried to take their recipes out of the city, but they can't recreate the taste without NYC Tap.

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    Must be, (none / 0) (#186)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 03:52:17 PM EST
    because I have never had bagels, or pizzas, for that matter, as good as they are in NYC.
    Chicago deep-dish and stuffed pizza are also good, but to me, it ain't pizza.  It's more like a pizza quiche (without the eggs).  Great tasting, but not what I consider "pizza."  
    Sorry if I'm insulting our Chicago-area commenters.  I said it was tasty!  It's just not pizza.   ;-)

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    Ouch (none / 0) (#198)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:50:28 PM EST
    Guess I haven't been in Big Apple for a while.


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    You like dirty water dogs? (none / 0) (#174)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:22:14 PM EST
    You like halal street meat? ;)

    Mamoun's on McDougal is still around for falafel, that was also a go-to spot.  Nowadays I try to eat before I go to the show, the NYC I knew is just about dead.  It's an endless blur of Duane Reades, Starbucks, and bank after bank after bank now.    

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    Those I'll be accompanying (none / 0) (#177)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:28:02 PM EST
    wouldn't even eyeball a dirty water dog.

    Me? I eat anything (especially with bacon) but on this trip that would be a no go.

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    For pizza, bagels, knishes, & corn-on-the-cob, (none / 0) (#194)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:13:50 PM EST
    there's only one place on earth...............

    BROOKLYN, especially, the Southern part, around Coney Island.

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    Landscape Photographer... (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 05:45:42 PM EST
    of the Year Competition.  Nice, take a break.

    Hillary sez (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:04:00 PM EST
    "Extreme views about women - we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. We expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world. But it's a little hard to take coming from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States."

    And the GOP is howling wanting an apology. I guess she must have drawn blood.

    Clinton is incorrect (5.00 / 8) (#121)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:59:34 PM EST
    as it is not a little hard to take.

    It is a LOT hard to take.  

    Living in a state with one of these Republicsn wannabes as governor, it has been a LOT hard to take, day after day, witnessing the war on women here.

    From young women like my daughter, whom he would have die if she has a problematic pregnancy . . . to singing granny schoolteachers, whom he terrorized with arrests and fines and prosecutions.  Yet he tells his fanboyz that he can take on ISIS, because he took away women's rights and took on singing grannies. Yeh, he was so "unintimidated" that he took subterranean tunnels out of his state Capitol office to avoid wimmen singing at him.

    Not a one of these misogynists ought to be allowed near the White House, even on a White House tour.  

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    I know (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 04:42:05 AM EST
    The misogyny on the right is ALREADY reaching epic levels.

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    Squint, The Meat Puppet and crew (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:20:25 AM EST
    are literally fighting over the fainting couch over this.  It's actually pretty funny.   Repeatedly saying that this is only to distract us so we will talk about it.  While they talk about it for 20 minutes.

    Joe was shocked and saddened and deeply disappointed.

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    Not just the GOP (none / 0) (#142)
    by ragebot on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:53:36 AM EST
    Lots of dems have bashed Hillary for her harsh attack comparing pubs to terrorists.  Every single talking head on Morning Joe said Hillary was over the top.  Joe said the worst thing was Hillary was reading from notes indicating it was planned.  Mika had the clip rerun and agreed with Joe the comments were scripted.

    Does anyone really think MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the GOP.

    What Joe said, and I agree with it, is when you are going ninety miles an hour no one tries to stop you and Hillary was going ninety miles an hour.

    Bottom line is Hillary needs to stop the bleeding.

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    Uh (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:15:58 AM EST

    Does anyone really think MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the GOP.

    Yes.  Mourning Joe is a mouthpiece for the GOP.  Mica is an idiot.  And "every single talking head on Mourning Joe" knows what to say if they want to be invited back.

    In case you have not picked up on it Squint and the Meat Puppet is Joe and Mica.  Thank you Charles Pierce.

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    Oh please, grow up. (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:03:01 AM EST
    I found Hillary's comments to be true and rather refreshing given our nation's reluctance to admit that terrorists are not just muslims.

    She is railing against the same misogynistic attitudes that our government and the rightwing and the media all decry when they occur in muslim countries, particularly muslim countries we do not like.

    If this kind of treatment of women is terrorism when it happens in Afghanistan or Syria or wherever ISIS is operating, then it is terrorism here in the U.S. and anywhere else it occurs.

    Please, Hillary, do not stop or slow down on these issues.


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    Shorter GOP (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:25:42 PM EST
    to Hispanics: Just be glad we're only going to
     load you up in the boxcars and not send you to the gas chambers.

    To African Americans: Just be glad you're not slaves.

    To women: Just be glad we're not chopping your head off.

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    Not a surprise (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 03:00:14 PM EST
    Every single talking head on Morning Joe said Hillary was over the top.

    This just in.  Dog bites man.

    Moron Joe is a paid shill of the GOP.  Quoting HIM as a source of criticism of HRC is an admission that you don't have anything to work with here.

    Can you name some of the "lots of Dems have bashed Hillary" who are the "source" of Moron Joe's info?  As though an actual Democrat would bother having a conversation with MJ.

    It's not like Hillary isn't telling the truth.  Republicans are like al Qaeda in their hatred of American values, but with more actual power.

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    Joe (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:03:57 AM EST
    is a joke. And that's not "lots of Dems". Please it drew blood if they're howling on Joe.

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    My faith in the NYTimes (none / 0) (#1)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:02:30 PM EST
    has sunk to the low with which I esteemed it in during its subservience to the Bush administration when Bush and Co were creating a war for us.

    First it did it with Hillary - publishing all sorts of crap for which they eventually sort of kinda apologized.

    Now - and I am not apologist for this guy - Trump.

    I watched the video.
    The reporter/anchor from UniVision kept interrupting and calling for Trump's attention during a quasi-press conference.

    Trump had called on a reporter who had raised his hand, then this guy from Univision kept yelling at Trump to listen to his question instead.

    Trump's admittedly scary hulks threw the guy out.

    The Times reports it in a manner as if to label Trump as a guy who hates Hispanics.

    Like he threw the guy out because it was Univision and in Spanish - not because the reporter guy was calling out incessantly and interrupting the other reporter's question.

    Now - I would or could change my mind about this if someone here tells me that the guy from Univision tried to ask his question many times and kept being ignored... I would welcome footage of that...

    But - judging from the video provided by the Times and Huffpo - the guy thrown out deserved to be thrown out - and their reportage is inflammatory and misleading.

    IMveryHO

    There are a couple of possibilities: (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:48:17 PM EST
    1.  Ramos - who is the number one news person in the world - knew he could provoke Trump into some kind of obnoxious drama, so he did; I would imagine that those who already think Trump is a xenophobe will find affirmation for their belief, and those who share Trump's antipathy for brown people will feel affirmation for theirs.

    2.  Trump - who seems to be in the running for biggest a-hole - knew he could solidify his base of fellow xenophobes by throwing Ramos out of the room, so he did.  No one pushes Trumpus Maximus around; he thinks doing what he did makes him the bigger person, when it just makes him the person with the biggest ego.

    3.  Ramos knew Trump would never acknowledge him or deign to let him ask any questions; he seems to have proven that quite clearly.

    With every encounter Trump has with non-whites, he proves that he isn't interested in their issues, their interests or their votes.  While some people may have seen an obnoxious reporter, others saw an obnoxious candidate with impulse and anger issues who has a pathological need to always end up on top.  Maybe those are qualities some people want in a president, but it doesn't seem like the best way to go, in my opinion.

    You thought George Bush's difficulty being coherent was hard to take?  Trump basically just free-associates, words tumble out of his mouth as they come across the screen that is is brain.

    "I'll just do it" is not the answer to "but how are you going to 'make America great again?'"

    I personally hope more reporters push Trump, because I think America needs to see just what and who this man is.

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    Ramos as you point out (none / 0) (#12)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:03:55 PM EST
    ...is popular and respected in the Latino community.  Mr. Trump has gone out of his way to insult that audience, and it is not surprising that this audience wants answers to obvious questions.  OTOH, Trump does not ever actually answer a question, and his free-association is not consistent from one statement to the next.

    Ramos knew he wasn't going to get his questions answered.  Mr. Trump, as you observe, showed nothing but disdain for a man who gets nothing but respect from the rest of the world.

    Ramos had nothing to lose and a lot to gain by acting the way he did.  His ratings will soar with his audience because of the incident, just as Trump's audience applauded the put-down.  Comment threads on the conservative sites bristle with hatred of Ramos.

    Both sides won with their respective audiences, but one of those sides commands a lot more votes than the other.

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    And here's more, from out (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:59:04 PM EST
    in the hall, after Ramos got the boot:

    Get out of my country!

    Of course it doesn't help that a bunch of sycophantic Washington reporters are wringing their hands over Ramos' dogged questioning of Donald Trump's plan to deport millions of Latinos "so fast your head will spin" --- by letting the police take the gloves off. You see they're worried that Ramos looks "biased" for actually trying to pin down a racist demagogue about how he plans to round up all his relatives and that reflects badly on them. I'm not exaggerating.

    These elite journalists would have been checking their hair in the mirror while the black-shirted thugs beat people right in front of them.

    Given that "rude" seems to be Trump's middle name, I think it's kind of precious all the hand-wringing about how rude it was for Ramos to keep trying to ask his questions.

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    This is a tad off-topic, Anne, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 04:52:44 PM EST
    ... I think you'll appreciate this bit of black humor.

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    Exactly, Rider. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 03:29:02 PM EST
    Repack Rider: "Both sides won with their respective audiences, but one of those sides commands a lot more votes than the other."

    Jorge Ramos so happens to be the anchor of "Noticiero Univision," our country's No. 1-ranked Spanish language newscast. Many members of my wife's family continue to watch him on a nightly basis, even though they all speak English fluently.

    That's because they, like so many Latinos in this country, have come to identify with Ramos, who's originally from Mexico City. He emigrated to California after college to work as an on-air personality at L.A.'s KMEX-TV, before being hired by Univision two years later as its network news anchor at age 27.

    A 2010 study by the Pew Research Center found that among Latinos, Ramos was the second-most recognized Latino leader behind Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Other polls have consistently shown him to be one of the five most trusted public figures among Latinos.

    For a political party that has repeatedly voiced its desire to earn back the trust of Latino voters, the summary ejection of Ramos from Donald Trump's press conference -- with that candidate's accompanying slur of "Go back to Univision" likely now ringing in the ears of Ramos' substantial viewing audience -- was probably not a good idea, coming as it does on the heels of the "anchor babies" faux pas, among so many others.

    So for my Republican friends, suffice to say that Univision is no Fox News, and Jorge Ramos is certainly no Megyn Kelly. Further, it's no secret that Ramos has used his position as a respected and popular news anchor to advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. "I am emotionally linked to the issue," he told the Los Angeles Times in 2013. "Because once you are an immigrant, you never forget that you are one."

    This is yet another instance where the Republicans' general ignorance and disdain of non-white America could wind up biting them badly in the ass at the ballot box. Ask California GOPers how pandering to the angry white voter 20 years ago with their immigrant- and Latino-bashing ultimately worked out for them.

    Aloha.

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    The tape of (3.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:25:04 PM EST
    what happened is on you tube. Howdy linked to it in another thread. The Univision guy was rude but Trump was pretty rude too.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:19:57 PM EST
    The "reporter", who was actually a person trying to make news rather than report news, was obnoxious (although Trump did let him back in to ask a question if he waited his turn which he did)

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    You're right lentinel (none / 0) (#7)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:26:40 PM EST
    The Univision guy just started and wouldn't stop.  I did hear that Trump invited him to lunch.  I think the entire situation may have been staged.

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    lentinel, I disagree (none / 0) (#47)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:27:42 PM EST
    Trump is a bully and threw out the equivalent of the Latino Walter Cronkite.

    Latinos will remember this.  This is playing in Univision non-stop.

    I surprised you agree with Donald Trump.

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    I was shocked when (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 12:00:17 PM EST
    the Trump bouncer manhandled Jorge Ramos....he is not just some bum off the street.

    It is not just me that has called Jorge Ramos the Walter Cronkite of Latino television.  He has held that lofty perch for quite some time.

    "Go back to Univision," Trump snidely growled.   Trump disrespected a revered Latino icon and showed a visceral hatred and disrespect for the entire Latino community.  

    And the bigots cheered it on....This will not be forgotten.....

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    Hard to defend Ramos (none / 0) (#143)
    by ragebot on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:01:21 AM EST
    Even in elementary school peeps who cut in front of others in a line got the boot.

    There have been several posts, some in this thread, about bias journalism.  Ramos has multiple connections to the Democrats, things like family members working in paid positions for Democratic candidates and employers' donating hard money to Democratic candidates.

    Just because Trump is a loud mouthed bully does not mean everyone who attacks him is in the right.

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    But Ramos is (none / 0) (#187)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 04:47:56 PM EST
    ... and just because someone has family members who work for Democrats or employers who contribute to them does not mean they're incorrect or biased ...

    ... or anything for that matter.  Be careful not to pull anything when you're stretching that hard.

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    State polling since the GOP debate (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:17:46 PM EST
    I've found 12 individual states where polling has been done. Here is the current GOP leader in each state:

    Arizona - Trump
    Florida - Trump
    Georgia - Trump
    New Hampshire - Trump
    Iowa - Trump
    Michigan - Trump
    Missouri - Trump
    North Carolina - Trump
    Ohio - Kasich
    Pennsylvania - Trump
    South Carolina - Trump
    Wisconsin - Walker


    Laugh? Cry? I can't decide. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:22:05 PM EST
    Just go ahead (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:26:00 PM EST
    and laugh. It will make you feel better.

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    I'm laughing (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:27:09 PM EST
    My boss, a New England Republican - he's crying.

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    What I found interesting was (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:28:32 PM EST
    with Rubio and Bush splitting votes, Trump even leads Florida.

    Today, Graham said he would crush Trump in South Carolina. Hardly, Lindsey is currently tied for 7th in SC polling.

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    I'm not sure Graham could crush (none / 0) (#11)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 01:50:58 PM EST
    a grape at this point, unless he thought it was a terrorist.

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    Graham (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:07:05 PM EST
    doesn't know the state he represents very well then. Since there is only one party in SC I guess he forgot that a lot of Dems crossed over in the GOP primary in SC and voted for him to keep a wacko out of his seat. And I guess he also forgot those same voters are not going to be voting in the GOP presidential primary and also that even the Republicans in his state loathe him.

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    Walker's favorables in Wisconsin (none / 0) (#123)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:13:47 PM EST
    are at an alltime low -- 39 percent -- in a local poll (with a great track record, so it is to be trusted) and now, even the state's dominant media that have protected him to get to gov are bailing on him, because he has become so embarrassing.

    By the way, what national media often miss in retyping his news releases to promote him as having won three elections as gov (including the recall):

    Walker never, ever has won an election in a presidential election year.  

    (Of course, national media also forget to note that Walker is the only presidential candidate with a criminal defense fund.  And the special prosecutor is expected to file an appeal soon, reviving those headlines for months to come.)

    At the rate that Walker is slipping even in his own state, and with his pwned media -- even blogger fanboyz and grlz who loved him -- turning on him now, you can count on that state in the Trump column for the Republican primary, too.  

    And especially because, remember, Wisconsin has an open primary, inviting a huge Dem crossover vote.

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    The (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 04:40:03 AM EST
    last poll I saw had Walker winning but only with 25% of Republican votes which did kind of surprise me since it's his home state. So the polls are backing up what you saying.

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    Yes and No (none / 0) (#147)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:32:20 AM EST
    The polls on Walker's favorables back up what she's saying. The polls for the GOP primary in Wisconsin say she is wrong.

    It's been repeatedly shown that crossovers have little to no effect on the outcome in elections, especially when the other party's primary is the same day.

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    Local (and good, solid) analyses (none / 0) (#151)
    by Towanda on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:33:02 AM EST
    disagree re impact of the crossover vote in Wisconsin.  I do not recall studies that you note.  Are those about all open-primary states? (All politics are local, after all -- and Wisconsin, as has been repeatedly shown by, well, history . . .  is just . . . well, weird.) Or about other states?

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    What have we become? (none / 0) (#14)
    by smott on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:18:39 PM EST
    We? (2.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Redbrow on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:50:31 PM EST
    This is the isolated act of a severly mentally ill individual with delusions of starting a "race war" fueled by media hype and professional race mongers. Just like the church shooter.

    I hope they don't find any pictures of him with the rainbow flag otherwise people might demand they be removed or stolen and burned.

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    These (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 06:07:24 AM EST
    acts are not isolated any more. Any intelligent person should be disturbed by the carnage, you just shrug and spout the same old RW talking points and stupid jokes. I am sure glad you are not part of my "we".

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    Earlier this week in Nashville (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 06:05:01 PM EST
    a man attacked and tried to hijack a car...

    Unfortunately for him he picked a man with a gun who shot him.

    Yes, all gun violence is bad.

    (Sarcasm alert)

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    When you make ridiculous, silly ... (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 04:50:31 PM EST
    Yes, all gun violence is bad.

    (Sarcasm alert)

    ... arguments that no one else is making in order to knock them down, you should issue a "straw alert".

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    Earlier this week in Rochester (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 07:31:25 AM EST
    seven people were shot and three were killed in front of the Boys and Girls Club.

    A man in the crowd returned fire and it didn't make a damned bit of difference in preventing the loss of life.

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    Drive by shootings are the (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 09:32:54 AM EST
    meme of drug dealers. See Chicago for how it's really done.

    Stop the drug dealers and you'll stop the drive by killings.

    Ciminelli said that there was no problem at the Boys and Girls Club. The problem did not seem to stem from the basketball game, he said. "It is still subject to change," he said.

    USA Today

    And then there is the question, how many were saved because someone returned fire and disrupted the killers??

    But, of course, no one is arguing that a single conceal carry person can be effective against a moving car who just drives by and kills.

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    A single person or multiple (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:39:11 AM EST
    conceal carry people aren't going to be very effective against a homicidal killer with a plan in mind who has the drop on everyone because he knows what he's going to do and no one else does.

    And then there is the answer to your abstract hypothetical question, which is seven people were shot and three are dead.

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    The most common thread for gun deaths in the US (none / 0) (#161)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:57:26 AM EST
    If you own a gun, everyone in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbor to die in a gun-related incident.

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    The truth is that the antigun crowd (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:19:20 PM EST
    wants all legal weapons confiscated.

    Criminals don't have legal weapons.

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    All legal guns.. (none / 0) (#167)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:26:06 PM EST
    Yessir: the Freemasons and the communists is behind it.

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    The type of people who (none / 0) (#169)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:42:20 PM EST
    are borderline clinically delusional enough to actually believe that no murder was ever committed with a legally purchased gun and that an abstract shadowy "they" wants to take away ALL legal guns is the exact profile of a person who shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

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    Let's see (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:56:16 AM EST
    When Reagan was shot, there were at least 7 professionally trained and highly skulked LEO's within 3 feet of him.  Yet, they couldn't stop John Hinckley, Jr from getting off multiple shots and wounding at least three people.

    Why are you so comfortable that any Bubba,  Ellie Mae, Biff, or Muffy is gonna react better?

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    Because it has been shown that they do (none / 0) (#162)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:15:36 PM EST
    Hinckley was allowed to just walk up whip out his gun and start shooting. The failure was not in the agents's gun training but in their failure to keep an unknown person at a distance.

    After he was robbed, Dorsey began running down the street and says two men in a Mercedes asked him what had happened.

    Dorsey told them and they not only caught up with the suspect, but they started shooting at him.

    The suspect fired back. In the end, the two witnesses turned vigilantes won and took down the bad guy.

    I don t believe in guns, said Dorsey. I don t own a gun. I m totally at the mercy of my saviors. They obviously sent two angels to help me. These people protected me when I couldn t protect myself.

    Link

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    I wasn't (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:29:12 PM EST
    denigrating the agents' gun training.  I was, in fact, saying that DESPITE all their training, they still couldn't prevent it.  So why do you think someone who has a few hours of training will be better than professionally trained LEOs?

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    Uhhhmmm, no (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 04:59:33 PM EST
    Why are you so comfortable that any Bubba,  Ellie Mae, Biff, or Muffy is gonna react better?

    ...

    Because it has been shown that they do

    ... it hasn't.

    Concealed-carry holder accidentally kills innocent Detroit teen outside record store


    Concealed weapons holder accidentally shoots self, driver in Cleveland

    Concealed carry holder misses attacker in Cleveland road rage incident; shoots another man

    Let me know if you need more ... plenty more where those came from.

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    In other words, those two vigilantes (none / 0) (#164)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:23:05 PM EST
    took the word of someone they had met for the first time only moments before, and with this as the entire basis for their subsequent actions, began unloading their weapons at a human being.

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    It's also been "shown" (none / 0) (#165)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 12:24:04 PM EST
    that making it as easy as possible for the Hinkleys of the world to arm themselves makes no one in this country safer..

    It's been shown..

    And turning a street into a back-and-forth shooting gallery between "angels" and "saviors" and armed criminals is no way to make the streets safer for citizens either.

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    And (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 02:47:24 PM EST
    another shooting at a KY courthouse today.

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    Back to jail (none / 0) (#21)
    by smott on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 03:13:45 PM EST
    For failing a drug test, and kills himself.
    Sigh again.

    Our nation is so sick....

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    Jorge Ramos (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:07:35 PM EST
    interesting to see the responses to this.   Clearly just from the comments in this thread it's complicated.  One take away IMO is that politically Trump handled it very well.  From his point if view.  As lentinel said, I'm not defending him.  I happened to be watching when it happened and it was a true oh sh!t moment.

    But what I saw was a reporter being very aggressive.   Nothing wrong with that but the general public is not that sympathetic.  Trump brought him back and allowed him to go on at some length.  I never heard him ask a question.  That this will happen more often is to be expected.  How Trump handles it will be the most interesting part.  Objectively, he is getting better at it as he goes along.

    I also watched some of his rally after.  He is very good.  A link to the New Yorker in the last thread had a description from someone "he could sell sand to Arabs".

    Interesting article. People are upset (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:45:08 PM EST
    about well paying jobs no longer being available. They blame it on fair trade and immigrants.

    Parent
    "[Donald Trump is] a belligerent, loudmouth racist with not an ounce of compassion for less fortunate people. In other words, he's exactly the kind of person the Republican base consists of and identifies with. It's clear that the very things that Upper West Side New Yorkers find detestable about him are exactly what endear him to the Republican base, which is basically people who see in him everything -- even the big red face and the yelling -- that makes him their kind of guy."
    - Paul Krugman, Ph.D., on Donald Trump and the GOP base (Bloomberg TV, July 14, 2015)

    Given all the noxious crap that Donald Trump has spewed about Latinos of late, I'd say it's about time that someone finally got aggressive with him on the related subject of immigration reform and the plight of undocumented migras.

    My in-laws were undocumented until the mid-'80s and my wife and seven of her siblings were "anchor babies," so I find the increasingly strident and bellicose tone of the present Republican discussion on these matters to be both appalling and downright scary.

    My apologies for going off here, but yeah, it's rather personal to me. Yet with but an occasional exception like the indomitable Mr. Krugman above, all the mainstream media has been doing thus far is tut-tutting, and Fox News is too busy defending Megyn Kelly from Trump's misogynist attacks as though she's their resident damsel in distress, when she's actually anything but.

    With the entire world watching, a sizable chunk of the GOP electorate is proving itself all too willing to drop the longstanding façades about equality and humanity in this country, and reveal themselves for who they really and truly are.

    Well, their bullschitt is not enlightening, it's not refreshing, and it's certainly not entertaining. It's unbridled and hateful bigotry at its absolute worst, and as Americans we should rightly be embarrassed and ashamed that most all of the presidential candidates from a major political party would even deem to go there in the year 2015.

    This should not and cannot be left unchallenged, and I for one offer Jorge Ramos a standing ovation for taking on Donald Trump and his racist xenophobic supporters and not backing down, and I'll be more than happy to stand at his side in this fight.

    Phuque etiquette. Raging racist a$$holes and the media wh0res who coddle them in the name of TV ratings deserve neither our good manners nor our respect. And with all due consideration to some of my friends here, those who see Univision's Jorge Ramos as the issue, rather than Donald Trump and the Republican Party he seeks to lead, are themselves part of the overall problem.

    This isn't some vicarious game. These are real lives and real consequences that we're talking about. There are millions and millions of people here who literally have everything to lose, if the GOP ultimately gets its way. And what do we honestly stand for, if we shy away from a very real fight that's worth having?

    So, let's open a can of whoopass, and have at it. Aloha.

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    Jorges is an O'Reilly (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:15:41 PM EST
    He is not a reporter.

    That doesn't make him bad. But it does explain him and his support for Open Borders.

    My in-laws were undocumented until the mid-'80s and my wife and seven of her siblings were "anchor babies," so I find the increasingly strident and bellicose tone of the present Republican discussion on these matters to be both appalling and downright scary.

    Your bias is apparent and understandable.

    But you are way out of step with the majority of Americans.

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    Funny most people (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:23:56 PM EST
    seem to think he's "a Chronkite".  I don't know much about him.  I only remembered him from questioning Obama.   One thing everyone seems to agree on is that he is the most important Latino journalist in the country.

    I think you miss everyone's point.

    For me the interesting thing is Trump is at war with Jorge and O'Reilly.  How can this be.  

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    How can this be (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:50:17 PM EST
    what I mean is Donald is not a stupid person.  Surely he has t know he, or anyone else, will never be president with less than 20% of the Latino vote.   But that not being enough he is back at it with FOX.   Last night ever news channel but FOX carried all this.

    WTF

    How can this be?  What's the end game.  It's very very odd.

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    Oddly Rachel and Frank Rich (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:57:39 PM EST
    are discussing this very thing right now.  It is suggested at least part of the goal was to drag FOX further to the right.

    No, really.  They said that.

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    but...but....that makes no sense either.... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:02:38 PM EST
    My bet is that if Trump won, he would resign in the first few months, or even weeks. He would say he found the job was just too small for his YOOOGE talents, and that when the job of king of the world opened up, he'd be interested.

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    He is destroying the Republican Party (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:10:07 PM EST
    before our eyes.  It's honestly almost starting to look like that is the goal.   But. But. But that makes no sense either.

    The most interesting quote from that New Yorker article was from Trump.  I'm paraphrasing - "if I go down I'm taking Bush with me.  He will never president"

    ???


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    Maybe it's (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:14:13 PM EST
    personal to him with Jeb. I don't know. What I do know is that it would be so much fun to be able to play Whack A Bush in the general election.

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    Jeb! Is going to be on Stephen Colbert's (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:41:05 PM EST
    First night at The Late Show, sept 8.  Oh my!


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    Interesting..... (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:19:09 PM EST
    I wonder what the Bush-Trump history is? Probably some grudge Trump has been nursing forever. Sounds like him. Maybe Barbara made some snide remark.

    now I must know!

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    Trump can't help himself (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 01:30:31 AM EST
    It's his nature.

    Did he steal and pre-empt Chris Christie's shtick or what?

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    Jorge Ramos (none / 0) (#54)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 01:40:20 AM EST
    has a YOOOGE audience with Latinos.   He is loved and TRUSTED.

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    My point was that he (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:50:53 AM EST
    is as biased as O'Reilly. He pushes his viewpoint and not the news, although his minions, just like O'Reilly, thinks he is a news reporter.

    But I can see the comparison to Cronkite...who was also very biased and not a reporter.

    Assuming that O'Relly is actually at war with Trump, and I kind of doubt that, what we have is O'Reilly jealous of all the attention...

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    whether you think he's biased or not (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CST on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:12:32 AM EST
    Is irrelevant.

    He's influential.  Maybe not with the same people Trump is, but those people still vote.

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    Jim isn't arguing the influence with Latin voters (none / 0) (#65)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:26:43 AM EST
    Just that Ramos is a news maker as opposed to a news reporter. Although Jim carries his argument to extremes and ruins his actual point.

    The fact that Trump usually carries the a$$ banner does not preclude others snatching the banner from him at times, and Ramos accomplished that yesterday.

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    Not among the Latino (none / 0) (#92)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 12:06:18 PM EST
    community, he didn't.

    I am not sure you guys really get it.  Ramos is not just random Spanish T.V. reporter.

    I cannot think of a greater sign of disrespect that Trump could have shown the Latino community.  Perhaps burning an effigy of the Virgin Mary on stage.

    "Go back to Univision."  "Go back to your country."  Ay, Dios Mio!

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    I think we all know who Ramos is... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 01:40:10 PM EST
    and the reverence the consumers of Spanish Language News hold him in...and you're absolutely right that a white reporter from ABC would have been given a wider berth to editorialize during a press conference.  And that the over reaction by Trump's security goons was ridiculous and would not have happened to a white reporter.

    But none of that changes the fact that Ramos was editorializing and not journalizing...Ramos wanted to further illustrate the nasty underbelly of the Trump train and he succeeded.  Trump wanted to further rile up his base of xenophobes and he succeeded too.  

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    Lost in translation (none / 0) (#99)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 03:17:00 PM EST
    It is not so  much reverence as basic respect.

    Trump should have simply called on Ramos when he stood up to ask a question.  Ramos had given his cell phone number to Trump previously, and according to Ramos, Trump promptly published it to the world.  Trump was avoiding Ramos.  As to Ramos "editorializing,"--you mean like at least half the t.v. reporters?  

    I really don't see it as you guys do.   I think the focus on Ramos being rude is missing the forest for the trees.   It seems rather trivial to me.

    To me, it was viscerally horrid and shocking. To you guys, Ramos was rude.  

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    Jim, it is unlikely that you have any first hand (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 05:21:11 PM EST
    knowledge of Ramos, his craft or his product.  You don't give off the vibe of someone willing to watch or interested in watching a Spanish language newscast.

    IMO, best practice is to never propagate a received opinion as if it were your own.  You cannot defend it.  Leave a trail of attribution, an argument to authority as it were.  Since accepting responsibility has never been the strong suite of America's right wing, attribution would also provide you with someone else to blame.

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    All I had to see was (none / 0) (#110)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 06:12:57 PM EST
    Jorge and Donald's back and forth...with the knowledge that Jorge had inserted himself into the situation when the CBS person had been called...and I knew that my previous scant knowledge of him was correct.

    Perhaps you should spend more time studying the long and ugly history of Hillary so that you can better defend her.

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    Hillary Clinton doesn't need my help. (none / 0) (#172)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:18:06 PM EST
    She's doing just fine by herself.

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    She needs no defending (none / 0) (#191)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    Particularly from wingnuts and their silly tinfoil conspiracy theories.

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    What O'Reilly's saying (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 11:55:07 AM EST
    is that this playground is too small for two superficial bullying blowhards..

    He probably also senses, the way Roger Ailes does, that Trump is ill-equipped to successfully carry out a long campaign, and utterly ill-equipped to ever be a good President or be what passes for a good Republican President.

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    It's boiler plate time. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 10:51:26 PM EST
    "Once again, you (a) are trafficking in misinformation; (b) don't know what you're talking about; and (c) are simply parroting the empty rhetoric of the professionally outraged GOP provocateur class."

    Nobody gives a rat's a$$ about an opinion of Jorge Ramos as expressed by someone who takes his cues from Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

    Well, nobody who's actually sane and well-informed, anyway.

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    Donald, thanks for taking a complex (3.50 / 2) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:56:04 AM EST
    subject and explaining it to us great unwashed in only 10,000 or so words.

    And thanks for claiming that Jorges is not biased.

    Your credibility is in tatters....

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    "Jorges" (none / 0) (#100)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 03:19:39 PM EST
    Not really.

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    He's got him confusulated with Borges? (none / 0) (#105)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 05:24:15 PM EST
    - Jorge Luis, the Argentine writer?

    To fall in love is to create a religion that has a fallible god.

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    "Confusulated" (none / 0) (#111)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 06:23:39 PM EST
    Nice.  Have to remember to use that one. Right up there with "strategery."

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    Jim judging someone's credibility (none / 0) (#192)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:08:17 PM EST
    Like Trump critiquing a barber.

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    How would you know? (none / 0) (#190)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:03:09 PM EST
    But you are way out of step with the majority of Americans.

    Right-wingers and their silly claims of speaking for "the majority of Americans" - always without a shred of evidence.

    Too funny.

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    This is (none / 0) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:59:54 PM EST
    what a lot of them believe. That there is some great big majority out there that believes the same thing they do. It's called the suicide of the right.

    Parent
    The first comment in this thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 07:35:15 PM EST
    takes a different view.   I don't think the commenter can be considered a right winger.   There are other comments that seem to be in the same place.  I didn't really take a side except to say tactically he handled it surprisingly well.  Frankly I think they were both being a-holes.  But that is more or less the job description of a good reporter.

    You may not like that it's complicated but I believe the response to this particular instance, is.  Someone else made the point.  It worker for both of them.  

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    I didn't say she was a wingbat, Cap'n. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM EST
    But I do very much disagree with her contention that this confrontation is somehow Ramos's fault, because he showed bad manners. Uh-uh. Not. Even. Close.

    Rather, the fault here lies squarely with both the guy who claims that all Mexican nationals coming over the border are either rapists or drug dealers or both, and the ignorant effin crackpots who agree with and support him. I'm not going waste my time looking for nuance where there's clearly none to be had.

    Aloha.

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    We need more reporters like that, Captain. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 05:27:34 PM EST
    - More like Lewis Black, really.  Totally in the face of the powerful, self serving and smug a$$***e-class who owns this country..

    Being nice gets a reporter nothing but the opportunity to be the recipient of more b/s and pablum.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#145)
    by ragebot on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 08:11:57 AM EST
    what would you say if a reporter stood up after another reporter had been called on and demanded that Obama ignore the called on reporter.

    As I posted earlier in elementary school we were taught to not cut in front of others in line.  Trump did allow Ramos to asked a question later in the press event and addressed the issues Ramos raised.  Not saying what Trump said about the Ramos' issues was a good refutation, just that what Trump did was good theater and a lot of folks agree with the idea of shutting down a loud mouth reporter who tries to cut in front of others.

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    It wouldn't happen (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 03:09:44 PM EST
    what would you say if a reporter stood up after another reporter had been called on and demanded that Obama ignore the called on reporter.

    Well, we know what WOULDN'T happen.  Mr. Obama would not insult the reporter and his organization, by suggesting, "Go back to your unimportant network, CBS" and Mr. Obama would not have a Secret Service goon throw the guy out.

    Since Mr. Obama does not have a history of insulting people and since he actually DOES answer questions, it is unlikely that a reporter would be forced to seize the floor to ask him about an insult that has become the centerpiece of his administration.

    Since you pose a hypothetical that is never going to happen, what sort of answer do you deserve?

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    (Sigh!) Now, we get ready for Ignacio, ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:12:08 PM EST
    ... which is the ninth named storm in our 11-week-old Pacific hurricane season. Hurricane Kilo just sideswiped us this week, dumping over 12 inches of rain on Sunday night and Monday. Thankfully, it waited until after Elder Daughter's wedding last Saturday. Ignacio is presently a tropical storm, but it's expected to reach level 2 hurricane status by the time it approaches us on the Big Island early next week.

    The weather has been godawfully humid lately, with the heat index at over 100 degrees, and I feel bad for all our relatives and guests who came over here for the nuptials, because these past few days have been absolutely miserable to be outside. But that's because we've had three major storms in our immediate vicinity this week alone, which has put a serious damper on our trade winds and brought us loads of precipitation.

    We're now back on the Big Island, having returned from Honolulu yesterday afternoon. We're taking my in-laws up to Volcanoes Nat'l Park tomorrow morning, and we'll spend the night at the historic Volcano House hotel, which we've never done before, so they can see Kilauea erupting. (This is what it looks like at night from Volcano House.) And because it's at 4,500 feet elevation, it should be a lot cooler up there than here in Hilo. They return to Corpus Christi on Saturday night.

    Hopefully, Ignacio will pass us by as have the other storms thus far, but this has certainly been an unusually busy hurricane season thus far, and it's only August 26. Our season runs until November 30. I hope everyone's summer weather has been a little less gnarly than ours.

    Aloha.

    Donald, I'm glad the wedding (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by fishcamp on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:57:01 AM EST
    was a success even with the bad weather.  I had visions of you huddling under your tree with the strange Hawaiian ducks and your bong...ha.  We have a hurricane coming our way too.  It's a small one so far and is way down by Antigua.  I have a new generator that I bought and started once nine years ago, so today is the day I'm checking it out.  

    But what I did want to mention to you is that I'm trying to catch up with your factual knowledge by reading "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson.  It's been out since 2003, so you've probably memorized it by now.  Don't start worrying yet, since I've only read the introduction.  Did you know we're nothing but atoms?

    Parent

    Love that book - need to re-read! (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:25:10 AM EST
    But yes, it only goes part of the way to catching up with Donald!

    Parent
    It's turning (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 07:50:52 PM EST
    more into a freak show at the GOP than I ever imagined. Every time you think they can't get worse they do. Now Ann Coulter is introducing Trump to the screams of Mexicans are rapists and murders and calling Hispanics all kind of vile names.

    Annie is doing it to (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 07:53:55 PM EST
    among other things, promote her new book Adios America that came out on June.   From the title you probably get the gist.  

    Parent
    Mr Robot fans, the season finale has been (none / 0) (#36)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:37:17 PM EST
    pushed back a week in deference to the VA shooting today. It will be Sept 2 instead of tonight. Apparently there is a scene in the finale that is similar to what happened today. Oh, spoiler alert.


    Darn (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:44:50 PM EST
    good decision.

    Parent
    I've been watching Tyrant (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:46:23 PM EST
    as a guilty pleasure.  Better than the first season.   Maybe.  A little.  But still hopeless.

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    I could not subject myself to that (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 08:59:53 PM EST
    crazy brother's underbite for another season. I feel good about that decision.

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    Bastard Executioner (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 09:22:55 PM EST
    coming to FX in Sept. I think we may like this.   From the one who did Sons of Anarchy.  Which was very good and has been described as Game of Thrones meets Sons of Anarchy.  Which sounds pretty great to me.

    There are trailers and review for googling.  15th I think.

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    3.7% (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:41:50 AM EST
    NYTimes

    The economy grew much more quickly last quarter than initially thought as businesses and consumers increased spending, the government said Thursday.

    At 3.7 percent, the revised estimate for the annualized rate of economic expansion in the spring is more than a full percentage point higher than the initial reading reported by the Commerce Department in late July.

    It provides further assurance that the American economy remains on an even keel, despite questions about whether the United States can skirt mounting economic turmoil in China and other emerging markets as well as a volatile stock market at home.

    I'm sure the usual suspects will find a reason to poo poo this but 3.7% is not nothing.

    And the "crash" (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 09:02:23 AM EST
    that it was suggested here was all Obama's fault has left the Dow up 100% from the day Bush left office.

    The headlines of "impending crash" shifted to "maybe a mild bear market" to "maybe no more than a correction"

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    That's (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:52:45 AM EST
    really good news.

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    MAKE AMERICA (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 06:55:22 PM EST
    Make (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 07:01:31 PM EST
    America sane again, it's our only chance.

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    Three weeks from the next GOP debate (none / 0) (#125)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:32:07 PM EST
    And Fiorina is just now getting around to reading the rules. Lo and behold her staff has now realized she will very likely still be at the kiddie table and is looking to change the rules for the debate.

    oh good effing GAWD (none / 0) (#126)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 10:32:22 PM EST
    where to begin?

    how about here:

    the usual way


    W is about to speak in NOLA (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 09:59:03 AM EST
    about Katrina?

    Seems like that might be interesting.

    Any minute now.

    Also interesting (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 10:32:12 AM EST
    a while back I opined that all the talking heads saying Cruz was being nice to Trump because he was expecting him to drop out so he could sweep up his support were missing the point entirely.  That Cruz was actually working on the VP slot.  His wacknuts positions and 100% cred with whacknuts making him the ideal salve for Donald's "past liberal positions"

    The two biggest fascist authoritarian candidates in the GOP field are Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, and now they're making the partnership official.



    NBC reported there was DNA (none / 0) (#156)
    by McBain on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:01:01 AM EST
    evidence of semen in her underwear.  
    http://tinyurl.com/p7keb5v
    I think it's going to be difficult to convince the jury they didn't have intercourse.  His best defense will probably be to say the sex was "consensual". There seem to be text messages and witnesses who say the girl told them didn't feel she was forced into sex.
    Since he was 18 and she was 15, I assume it would still be statutory rape but perhaps a lesser sentence.  

    What color was her underwear? (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 11:16:22 AM EST
    Did it have lace?


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    Crash-Test Dummies as GOP Candidates for President (none / 0) (#179)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 01:53:59 PM EST
    - Krugman.

    Will China's stock crash trigger another global financial crisis? Probably not. Still, the big market swings of the past week have been a reminder that the next president may well have to deal with some of the same problems that faced George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Financial instability abides.

    So this is a test: How would the men and women who would be president respond if crisis struck on their watch?

    And the answer, on the Republican side at least, seems to be: with bluster and China-bashing. Nowhere is there a hint that any of the G.O.P. candidates understand the problem, or the steps that might be needed if the world economy hits another pothole.




    Crash Test Dummies (none / 0) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    hysterical.

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    Some days (none / 0) (#185)
    by CST on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 03:48:36 PM EST
    you beat the computer.

    Other days the computer beats you.

    WHY WON'T YOU DO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU TO DO

    Happy Friday.

    Morgellons (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 28, 2015 at 05:11:14 PM EST
    was reading about Joni Mitchell then about this disease.   What a strange thing.  Very conflicting information.  Sources as credible as the Mayo Clinic say it's a real thing.  Other seemingly equally credible sources dismiss it as a delusional disorder.

    Anyone have any first second or third hand experience?