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Posted on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 02:48:15 PM EST
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One of these days, I'll dive in to the politics thing again, as opposed to just eGhazi. But today is not that day.

Open thread.

Also too, I ranted about Iowa/NH going first on Daily Kos Radio. I start at about the 47 minute mark.

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    In today's legal news - a/k/a news of stays (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:24:58 PM EST
    Two-week reprieve from execution of death sentence for Richard Glossip in Oklahoma, in light of plausible new evidence of innocence.
        No stay for Ky County Clerk Kim Davis while she appeals her contempt citation.
        Common thread? The legal standard to obtain a stay (withholding of carrying out) of the lower court's decision while an appeal is being heard is, inter alia, a reasonable probability of success on the merits.

    Oregon Ducks commercial (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 06:47:08 PM EST
    released this past weekend by Nike. Featuring Oregon Ducks athletes and a great song.

    In other news (none / 0) (#196)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:44:21 AM EST
    VA confirms a broken finger.

    I always thought it was a mistake to play him in the first game and risk injury against a team with more emotion than talent.  I am still smarting from the game FSU played against the Citadel last year when there was clearly a plan to hurt the FSU players and a Citadel player tweeted such.  FSU was never the same after that game.  Hope the same fate does not await the ducks.  As the first link notes:

    "The Ducks released a depth chart Tuesday night that listed Adams as the starter for Saturday's game, though he is currently splitting reps at the starting position with Jeff Lockie."

    It will be interesting to see who gets the most snaps for the ducks.

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    Where's the open (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:37:18 PM EST
    thread for the freak show?

    Has anyone had Lasik eye surgery? (none / 0) (#1)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:24:27 PM EST
    I'm just starting to consider the procedure.  I've only heard good things from people I know.    I've heard some rumors about complications 10 years down the road.  Any thoughts?

    Hey, something I know about! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:08:37 PM EST
    I had it done 20 or so years ago. I had severe astigmatism and nearsightedness. I could not even read my alarm clock when I woke up in the morning.

    I had it done at HinesSight there in Denver, if they are still around. The procedure they did was the mono-vision thing, where they under-correct one of your eyes so that one of the eyes is dominant for far vision and the other for near vision, thus delaying the need for reading glasses. (Lasik cant correct for the need for reading glasses forever - that is due to the aging of the lens, not the shape of the eye).  

    I love it! Hard to think of any one thing that improved my life more. My eyes healed so well that later docs said they could not even tell I had it done, and I was glasses and contacts free until a few years ago, when I started to need reading glasses.

     At that point I went and got the eye that had been undercorrected fully corrected using prk since you can't do lasik twice on the same eye, so I can just use the drugstore reading glasses and not need a prescription.

    Recovery process is easy - there is some pain for the first day, but you are supposed to sleep for 12 hours or so right after surgery, and when you wake up you can see. I drove myself to the next day follow-up appt. I know some people don't heal as well, and do not adjust to the mono-vision thing, so that might not be for you. The doc might be able to test you for how well you would do with that.

    Anyway, I HIGHLY recommend it!!! So much easier for sprots, traveling, driving wearing sunglasses, everything!

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    Good to know it worked well for you (none / 0) (#16)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:17:12 PM EST
    Sounds like it works well for astigmatism but can't really do much for farsightedness?

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    Lasik for astigmatism here, too. (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:40:19 PM EST
    Had it done about 25 years ago, nothing but goodness for me. Life-changing.

    Astigmatism is an on-going thing, so lasik corrects it at first, but in time, as the astig continues, your vision goes blurry again.

    Lasik for astigmatism can be done again, and I am thinking about re-doing it.

    I recently went through the prelims with an eye surgeon but decided he was geographically undesirable, and will be looking for a closer doc.

    fwiw, this doc had several options, based on his "newest" vs his 3-year old "yesterday's news" equipment, and obviously the "yesterday's news" option was much cheaper than his newest setup.

    What I had done 25 years ago was amazing. I went home with patches over my eyes and took a nap, when I woke up my vision was 20/20.

    I truly wonder if the difference in results between this recent doc's year-old machine and his 3-year old machine are worth the extra 3K, or whatever, that he charges.

    The 3-year old machine gets you to 20/20 and the one year old machine gets you to, what, 20.01/20.01?

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    I think it can do farsightedness too (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 06:32:10 PM EST
    It corrects the shape of your ...eyeball? Can't remember what exactly they reshape.

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    Ask your regular eye care specialist to ... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 06:47:04 PM EST
    ... recommend a reputable surgeon who performs the procedure, make an appointment and then don't be afraid to ask questions. I'm also nearsighted and need glasses to drive and see distances, but I don't need them to read and I got tired of taking them on and off all the time.

    About 12 years ago, I consulted with a highly recommended ophthalmologist in Honolulu who's also a licensed surgeon and performs the Lasik procedure (as well as cataract surgery, etc.), and she told me after an examination that I was not a good candidate. She instead recommended bifocals with progressive lenses, which provided me with the same range of vision without having to take of my glasses for reading. I was so impressed by her forthrightness that she's since became my regular eye doctor.

    From what she explained to me, the potential complications I faced were age-related. When you reach your forties, the lenses in your eyeballs start to harden, which can causes difficulties in focusing for some people, especially for reading and close work. So if you have the Lasik procedure done while in your twenties or thirties, you may find a decade or so down the road that you'll once again need glasses as your lenses harden.

    That was basically the issue I had, and that's why my doctor recommended against having the procedure. When my lenses hardened, I had actually become less nearsighted, which compelled me to remove my glasses to be able to read. Bifocals were the solution for me.

    If you don't have an ophthalmologist, which is an actual M.D. as opposed to an optician or optometrist, you can find one in your vicinity by visiting the American Academy of Ophthalmology website, where you can use the "Find an Eye MD" feature by entering your zip code. If you're actually looking for a surgeon who performs Lasik procedures, be sure that you specify "refractive surgery" under "specialty."

    Good luck.

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    Absolutely go to an ophthalmologist first (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:18:31 PM EST
    I should have mentioned that too.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:38:42 PM EST
    Hey LASIK people, tell us something about it.

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    Don't know (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:47:06 PM EST
    a whole lot. I have heard that it only works for about 10 years and you go back to wearing glasses but if you have really bad vision it probably wouldn't go back to as bad as it was.

    I know somebody that had it and was very happy with it but I also lost touch with that person a few years after that.

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    My Boss Had it Done... (none / 0) (#7)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    ...about 10 years ago, I would say he is 48 now and uses reading glasses, I would say for 2 years.  He was happy with it right until he had to get reading glasses.

    I am in the same boat, my glasses were pretty low powered, but now I need them for things I never did, like watching football.  I actually take them off at work to read, so I don't know where that sits with Lasik.

    I asked my opthamologist last time when he suggested bi-focals.  I want to say he said it wasn't right for me because I have astigmatism, egg shaped eyeball.

    Not much for answers, but my two cents.  I know this, I have several boxes of contacts for when I go on vacation and wearing sunglasses or scuba mask.  They are great right until I look at my watch and it's so blurry I can't read.  I never used to hate glasses, now I hate them.

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    I was recetnly diagnosed with asigmatism (none / 0) (#14)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:09:46 PM EST
    Vision problems are new to me.  I got prescriptions lenses for reading and computer viewing a month ago but now I've got some double vision/ghosting problems with things in the distance.

    I don't mind wearing glasses but I'm not sure I want to go back in forth between near sighted and far sighted lenses or get bifocals. I also need to figure out what to do when playing baseball.  

    My experiences with medical procedures hasn't been great.  The side effects are usually significant.  

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    I tend to complications (none / 0) (#23)
    by Towanda on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:57:42 PM EST
    and side effects from surgery and such -- for one, I have keloidism, extra scarring -- so I have refrained from Lasik treatment.  And just about any other medical thing that I can avoid. . . .

    A sibling who had it done some years ago did have the regression and is wearing contact lenses again.  I cannot wear those well, as I also tend to dry eye. (It's a factor that can be a concern for Lasik treatment, too, says the Mayo site).

    But I've had bifocals for almost two decades now, and I can tell you that they're not a big deal, at all.  I adjusted to them immediately and can't even tell that I'm wearing them -- nor can anyone else, with the way that they're made, these days.  (That's fyi, if vanity is a factor, or if signs of aging are an employment issue.  One or the other seemed to be for the sibling now back to contact lenses.  Too bad, as he actually looks great in glasses.)

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    Make sure to peruse (none / 0) (#8)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 04:10:33 PM EST
    sites like this:

    LASIK and Presbyopia

    There are a lot of reasons to think twice about it -- and then think again.

    The older you get and closer to 40, the less sense it makes because you will need glasses for your presbyopia anyway.

    And there is nothing wrong with a good pair of glasses.

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    I love glasses on a man (none / 0) (#12)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:07:49 PM EST
    I know, sounds sexist, but I have always favored glasses as they make a  man look so much more intelligent and attractive. So there really is nothing wrong with a good pair of glasses. Black frames in the office and those aviators in the sun.
    But, having worn glasses for so many years, I have to wear them sometimes to hide the pudgy under the eyes. Vanity. Heh. I do understand the desire for being glassless though. So if you would prefer to not have to deal with them, then go for the Lasik. Uncle Chip is right about the age thing. I mean, those is it a 6 or an 8 still require glasses.  

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    Well, glasses (5.00 / 6) (#31)
    by Zorba on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:20:24 PM EST
    don't seem to have done Rick Perry much good.   ;-)

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    They don't work on losers (none / 0) (#81)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:52:48 AM EST
    At least they made it easier to differentiate between the herd. Heh. But alas, I don't think the sex appeal applies to the Trumpster. There is just something icky about him. Saw a picture of him when his hair was dark and it looks better than the pink.  

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    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:40:54 PM EST
    Finally my husband needs reading glasses. He has the tiniest astigmatism they can correct for. So sexy:)

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    Me too. But the other way round. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:49:28 PM EST
    Always was attracted to women in glasses. Maybe it's that school teacher look thing. Who knows.

    I've worn glasses since I was eight years old. I'll stick with them. No eye surgery for me. Eye glasses are as much an appendage as my arms I've worn them so long.


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    I Used to Really Like Glasses... (none / 0) (#84)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:08:08 AM EST
    ...in that I always though they attracted the kind of girls I like, the smart/fun ones.  Now, while I still like wearing them, the fact that I need them all the time has made the love/hate balance slide the the hate column a little more.

    I also like girls with glasses, and there is a certain type that I really like.  The total nerd frames that make it obvious they have glasses on rather than the ones in which the frames are almost non-existent.

    The thing I really hate about them is my sensitivity to light, especially when driving, is amplified to the point where I dread driving at night.  And as of recent I have acquired a real compulsive thing about smudges, even on the corners, drives me absolutely mad.  To the point where I keep microfiber cloths everywhere, not just for glasses but things like my phone and my laptop.

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    Not Lasik (none / 0) (#65)
    by ragebot on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 09:23:36 PM EST
    I just had cataract surgery on both eyes along with lens implants.

    While I am very happy with the results it was not what I was expected.  First off for three days before surgery I had to put three different eye drops in my eye with five minutes between each application four times a day.  On the day of surgery I had to put a different eye drop in and for probably an hour before surgery the nurse put two different eye drops and several applications of gel in my eyes.

    For the first week after surgery I had to put thee different eye drops in four times a day, second week it was three times a day, third week twice a day and last week once a day.

    In addition for the entire month I was not suppose to lift more than five pounds, go swimming or fishing, bend over at the waste (like you do every time you brush your teeth and spit out in the sink) and the biggest shock, no sex.

    Lots of folks don't strictly follow the doctors orders, and some of them get way with it and heal up.  On the other hand some folks don't heal up well.

    As others have mentioned talk to the doctor and make sure you understand what you are getting into, not just the operation itself but the pre op and post op time line you are expected to follow.

    All in all I now have 20/20 vision in both eyes and am not looking through brown cataracts, like the difference between incandescent and fluorescent lights.  But the recovery was longer than I expected.

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    Ragebot, where was your surgery done? (none / 0) (#79)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:29:46 AM EST
    Mine was done in Key West and there were no eye drops involved and none of the other restrictions you mentioned.  As I mentioned i'm still 20/20 over five years later.  Strange.

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    I was reffered to the (none / 0) (#109)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:56:27 AM EST
    VA hospital in Gainsville.  Dr Jin(sp) was the surgeon and the nurse said he set a personal best of 13 minutes on the second operation of my right eye, the left eye was 21 minutes.  I was told this type of cataract surgery is the most common operation in the US and at the Gainsville VA as well, with almost 5,000 operations a year at Gainsville VA.  As you probably know the Gainsville VA is connected to Shands (the UF teaching hospital) by an underground tunnel and many doctors simply walk under Archer Drive to work in both hospitals.

    The doctor who handled my pre op said he knew of no bad results in his memory and attributed that to the pre op and post op steps required.  I have talked to other folks who had a much shorter pre and post op instructions, but suspect those facilities do not have the success rate that Gainsville does.  

    I was told since my home of record is Tallahassee and Gainsville is over 30 miles away I had the option of using a private doctor as a 100% service connected vet.  But I had my cancer surgery in Gainsville as well several years ago and have always been impressed by the quality of medical care there.

    I had done research on the internet before surgery and was able to find places with a much shorter turnaround time but thought the street cred Gainsville had with me made it worth the extra effort required.

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    Sounds like you listened to Rubio (none / 0) (#119)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:46:05 AM EST
    and went to Gainesville :)

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    Just as an aside (none / 0) (#112)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:58:51 AM EST
    My understanding is my operation consisted of poking a hole in my eye, sticking a sonic device in the eye and sorta dissolving the cataract, taking out the sonic device and sticking in a vacuum tube to suck out the dissolved cataract, making a slit in the eye, and implanting a permanent corrective lens.

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    That's exactly the method my doctor used. (none / 0) (#134)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:24:09 PM EST
    He did seventeen cataract surgeries by noon the day he did mine.  I do now remember having drops after the surgery.  After each surgery, early the next morning I had to drive 75 miles back to Key West, for an inspection.  One eye retained water which drained all night, felt very strange while driving, and scared me.  He just pressed lightly on the eye surface and eye water ran down my face onto my shirt.  Charming story.

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    The VA required a warm body (none / 0) (#143)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:56:22 PM EST
    to be standing beside me in pre op and sign a statement that they would be driving me home after the operation. After the operation the gurney I was on was placed in a bay with several others and my vitals were taken.  I was offered a snack and beverage (not suppose to eat after 12 oclock the night before and my sister in law, who was my driver, called to accompany me to the waiting room and wait a couple of hours at which time I was seen by a doctor who took off my eye patch, examined me, and OKed my sister in law driving me home.  I was suppose to wear the eye patch when sleeping and any other time I thought it was a good idea for a week, at which time I returned to Gainsville and the doctor examined me again. Three weeks after that I had another exam and the doctor OKed me for the second operation; with the same schedule as the first.

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    BTD, did you see my question? (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:34:33 PM EST


    I dunno (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:38:58 PM EST
    repeat it.

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    Here: (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:49:41 PM EST
    link

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    WARNING (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 03:40:49 PM EST
    I drop an F bmb in the broadcast.

    Ssshh! Don't tell the FCC.

    Well, such is our times that ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 06:50:30 PM EST
    ... you might as well carpetbomb the basterds with the word.

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    This is Nutz (none / 0) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 04:36:55 PM EST
    This mourning I read that the Giant's Jennings said he was told not to score on their last drive against Dallas.  I thought, that is odd, why would he say something so ridiculous, it would have put them up by 10 and almost guarantee a win.

    Turns out Manning is the one who told him to take it to the 1 inch line.  This is nutz, first that a an RB would state he was told that and then the QB to own up to such a boneheaded decision.

    Coughlin should take Eli out behind the shed for a good ole fashion @ss whoopin'.

    LINK

    Then (none / 0) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:00:49 PM EST
    Eli compounds the error by throwing the ball away instead of taking the sack.

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    This was nuts (none / 0) (#15)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:13:43 PM EST
    The first thing we all said, Gambling. It was a terrible call for Eli and it brought attention to how a game can be controlled. Now you have to question every close game.

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    Don't be so hard on the kid. (none / 0) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:20:36 PM EST
    Yes, it was Manning's call, and, yes, it was a big mistake, and, yes, he owned up to it. He wanted to make it absolutely clear that he, and he alone, deserved the blame. At least there's an explanation, not an excuse, there is no excuse, but, if you read how & why it happened you might be slightly more understanding of this screw-up.
    It all comes down to the ever-more complicated rules. Every year the rules committee tweaks the rules a little to try and improve fan enjoyment of the game. Read about it HERE, LINK, and, maybe you'll have a better understand, how, in the pressure of those final seconds, something like that could happen.

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:56:52 PM EST
    no, no and again no, take the TD in every situation, who knows what the next play will bring. It was just plain ignorant if you ask me.

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    I Agree... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:26:31 AM EST
    ...the rules had nothing to do with anything, being up by 10 is always, in every game, in every situation, better than being up by 3 or 6.

    It's two scores verses one.

    It's nice to see him take the rap, but his explanation didn't even make sense, so he thought Dallas has one less timeout, AND ?

    I guess it was payback for when Romo choked in the 4th quarter and allowed the Giants to squeeze into the playoffs with a 9-7 record to ultimately win the SB.  

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    I just puked a little in my mouth. (none / 0) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:45:24 PM EST


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    That works if you keep running the ball (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:25:39 PM EST
    duh....

    But the G-Men had their share of flukes bounce their way....

    Giants are a weird team.    They have had more luck in Super Bowls.....

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    I think the biggest bad decision (none / 0) (#38)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:52:11 PM EST
    was not going for the TD on 4th down. Even if they didn't make the TD, it would have made Dallas start from their own 1 yard line. Almost certainly forcing them to run from that position and run down the clock. That 4th down FG bought the Giants absolutely nothing.


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    It Did... (none / 0) (#90)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:29:18 AM EST
    ...they went from Dallas needing 3 to tie, to Dallas having to score a TD for the win.

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    The version of Medicare (none / 0) (#10)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 04:47:49 PM EST
    That I have would not pay for an astigmatism lens I needed for cataract surgery, even though one out of three people have astigmatism.  It cost $650 while the other lens was paid.  Just today I went to my eye doctor for an annual checkup and I'm still 20/20 five years after the surgery.  With both Lasic and cataract surgery, the results depend on how good your eyes were at their best.  All eye procedures try to bring you as close to 20/20 as possible, and this includes glasses.  The longevity is different for everybody.  Today the doctor said smoking cigarettes is much worse for eyes than any other type of consumption.  KeysDan certainly knows more about this if he's on board today.  Good luck.

    Let (none / 0) (#18)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:25:46 PM EST
    the floodgates open
    Right to Rise, the super PAC supporting former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's presidential campaign, is laying down $24 million for an ad buy that begins Tuesday in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to a source familiar with buy.
    Meanwhile  running interference
    The Club for Growth announced an attack on presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Tuesday, with plans to spend $1 million on ads in Iowa, slamming the outsider real estate mogul as "just another politician."
     

    Talking days are over boys, time to lay the money down. Certainly way sooner then Jeb intended.

    What About Trump ? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:34:19 AM EST
    $24M seems like chump change if the Donald start laying down ads.

    He keeps letting everyone know he is loaded and that he doesn't need outside money, but is he going to start spending or just enjoy the free ads due to his obnoxiousness.

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    Saw some talking heads say (none / 0) (#113)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:05:36 AM EST
    Trump has received something like $US55 million in free air time.  Frequently his speeches are covered live and last much longer than a 30 or 60 second spot.  Often in the speeches Trump will hear someone in the audience yell out their concerns and directly address that issue.

    Not saying Trump won't start buying air time, but what is happening now with TV coverage seems very much to his benefit in addition to costing nothing.

    I know Bernie is drawing big crowds and gets some TV coverage.  The difference between Bernie and the Donald is that TV guys are looking for eye balls and Bernie does not get as many eyeballs on live TV as the Donald does.

    American politics at its best (this is satire for those of you who's satire detector is not working).

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    I Would Agree, Can't Remember the Last Time... (none / 0) (#117)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:28:01 AM EST
    ...I went to a news site and a picture of Trump was on the front page/area, including the news apps on my phone.  And without a doubt, I have to click and see what he did or said.

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    Trump gets attention now (none / 0) (#120)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:52:37 AM EST
    because he's +10.5 in the Republican national polls.

    Sanders gets far less attention because he's -21 in the Dem national polls.

    Trump's earlier attention was that he was going to meltdown. The media shouldn't have been in the prediction business. His current media attention is because he's a frontrunner.


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    Jeb has taken to flying commercial (none / 0) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:56:24 PM EST
    and cutting pay to his higher echelon aides to help pay for some of his earlier than expected ad buys.

    Still have to laugh at Jeb's line that his huge early money haul was going to shrivel the field out of fear.

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    Is he hurting? (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:07:16 PM EST
    Or trying to pace himself? Have new contributions started to dry up?

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    The latter (none / 0) (#44)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:09:02 PM EST


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    I can't imagine a Bush flying commercial :) (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:08:08 PM EST


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    New contributions don't flow from the big boys (none / 0) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:09:54 PM EST
    when you can't make a dent in your home state.

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    I never dreamed he would be doing this (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:20:09 PM EST
    Poorly, or appear so overwhelmed and uninspired in public. I never dreamed it was Dubya that got the charisma gene :) Was Jeb's entire existing political career based solely on Who's Yer Daddy? It appears so right now.

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    I think he is just yesterday's news (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:59:36 PM EST
    Been out of it far too long. Whatever charisma he had has expired.

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    I'm embarrassed to admit that when (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 09:16:43 PM EST
    I was younger, I just assumed that a Bush was born with skills. Candidates could expect a certain type of privacy too, advantageously leaving my imagination to fill in the blanks. I have a great imagination.

    The instant inter-connectedness really strips politicians if someone cares too see.

    I never really paid attention to Jeb before though, as they say, all politics are local and he was never in my vicinity. When he was younger did he possess true charisma? I don't know, I wasn't paying attention then. It was harder to pay attention to the party risers.

     Did his parents really perceive him as "their gifted child"? And if so, why am I surprised :)? I guess I'm trying to reconcile my old perceptions of Bush American Royalty with the reality that a Bush puts their pants on one leg at a time, and walks into rooms and forgets what it was looking for :) Just like the rest of us :)

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    What about sunglasses? (none / 0) (#19)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 05:33:05 PM EST
    Typically, I only wear them while driving.  I always thought they were overrated for most outdoor activities, just like sunscreen.  Now, because I'm having eye issues, I'm reconsidering.  

    For the most part, I believe, the sun is good for you... even your eyes.   I asked a doctor, who has a pretty good big picture philosophy, and he said heavy sunglass use has been linked to depression.  Apparently, sunlight into the eyes is important for our mood.

    Too much sunlight can damage (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by caseyOR on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:14:43 PM EST
    your eyes. I always wear sunglasses outside. My opthalmologists, both in Oregon and where I am now in Illinois, have told me to always wear polarized sunglasses when I am outside during the day.

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    Doctors used to tell me to always wear (none / 0) (#32)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:22:06 PM EST
    sunscreen when outside.  Turns out there really isn't much proof sunscreen prevents more cancer than it causes.  That doesn't mean your doctor is wrong.  I'm just curious if anyone knows of proof that we should wear sunglasses most of the time?

    I'm not talking about when skiing or boating.  I mean regular outdoor activities.  

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    You are really, really wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:54:43 PM EST


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    Can you provide any proof? (none / 0) (#46)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:09:34 PM EST
    Like I said, I'm thinking about reconsidering my opinion. Typically, I just wear a hat when out in the sun and only apply sunscreen when I'm going to be out for several hours.

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    Yes. Google (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:28:17 PM EST
    American Academy of Dermatology for sunscreen faqs.

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    Thanks but not much proof there (none / 0) (#64)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 09:19:23 PM EST
    I've only seen a few legitimate studies that suggest sunscreen prevents skin cancer.  I've seen just as many that it doesn't' and few that it can lead to cancer.

    The real question is does sunscreen help you live longer and have a better quality of life?

    I wear it to prevent burning because I have fair skin but I worry about the toxic chemicals like oxybenzone.  I used to apply organic zinc oxide but it was so thick, people started calling me the Joker because it looked like I had white make up.    

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    Oy, are you a climate change denier too? (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:14:34 PM EST


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    Maybe. But definitely (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:28:06 PM EST
    a candidate for skin cancer.

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    I'll admit to being sunscreen negligent (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:58:52 PM EST
    At times because I can fix that. Being an oppositional defiant idiot is much harder to fix :)

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    Let's not open that can of worms (none / 0) (#69)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:43:57 PM EST
    but if you have a fact base opinion on this topic, I'd like to hear it.

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    Hasn't the group that claims (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:55:34 PM EST
    Some sunscreens are causing cancer been dubbed one of the most scientifically challenged nonprofits by the science community?

    I remember a super model taking their side. It reminded me of Jenny McCarthy and the anti-vaxers

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    Tracy, Oculus (none / 0) (#76)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:08:00 AM EST
    What exactly are you suggesting?  Apply sunscreen to all uncovered skin areas every time you go out in the sun?  That seems like a good way to limit vitamin D intake.  Lots of problems linked to lack of Vitamin D.  

    I already use quite a bit of sunscreen because I have days where I'll be in the open for several hours.  I'm just not convinced it's the right choice for daily use. Do you understand the big picture I'm talking about here?  

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    I understand that, unless (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:12:02 AM EST
    you live in a forest in northern Canada, you are foolish to risk having skin cancer and eye problems if simply applying sunscreen daily and wearing the proper sunglasses and a hat may help prevent it. Arguing about it is useless.

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    Uh yeah, that's how oculus rolls :) (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:10:16 AM EST
    I need to be more careful, particularly considering where I live. I got a mild lecture. Oculus is outdoors a lot, on city sidewalks, but outdoors is outdoors.

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    Speaking as someone who is ... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:53:42 AM EST
    McBain: "I've only seen a few legitimate studies that suggest sunscreen prevents skin cancer.  I've seen just as many that it doesn't' and few that it can lead to cancer."

    ... presently recovering from a serious bout of melanoma, don't be a fool. If you're fair-skinned, use sunscreen. It works. Trust me, you do NOT want to go through what I just experienced with surgery, chemotherapy and radiation treatments.

    Aloha.

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    Thank you. I was hoping you (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:37:42 AM EST
    would answer this inane comment.

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    Also, see Mayo Clinic (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:37:52 PM EST
    website re the importance of proper sunglasses.

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    I'm with you McBain... (none / 0) (#107)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:45:38 AM EST
    I never wear sunblock unless I'm in the tropics and outdoors all day under serious sun, up north I let it burn.  Sun feels good, and Vitamin D.  I've half-kidded for years that sunblock causes skin cancer, but it's just a knuckleheaded personal belief based on zero science.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure the cigs will kill me before the sun;)

    Sunglasses I wear pretty religiously though, just to keep from squinting all the time.  I have experimented a little bit with sungazing at sunsets, but I haven't done it consistently enough to gauge any health benefits/detriments.

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    You'd better hope your (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:50:43 AM EST
    McArab genes prevail over the Irish ones.

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    LOL... (none / 0) (#110)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:56:42 AM EST
    I trust the sun a lot more that whatever the hell man made in a labratory and put in the sunblock...and I like to gamble;)

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    I mostly agree Kdog (none / 0) (#121)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:09:08 PM EST
    Humans have been around for thousands of years.  Sunscreen for less than 100.  People seem to think it's this magical invention but it's still unproven, just like vitamin supplements and many other things.

    I'm convinced the sun is good for us but I can't figure out how much I need or how much is harmful.    

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    how long has skin cancer (none / 0) (#122)
    by CST on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:14:33 PM EST
    and antibiotics and clean water been around?

    There are a lot of things that we didn't do in the past that we do today for very good reason.

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    I think... (none / 0) (#127)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:48:08 PM EST
    all the water was clean before we evolved, but I'm not sure.  Clean is it's natural state.   We only need to treat it because we f8cked it up in the first place, no?

    Antibiotics have saved untold lives, and my right leg;), but there overuse is causing new problems...antibiotic resisitant bacteria. My new dentist wanted me to do a cycle everytime he did a root canal, I woulda been on antibiotics for three months straight with my f&cked up grill!  I filled the first script and it's still sitting in my medicine cabinet in case somebody without insurance needs antibiotics (I've been that guy, will pay it forward), the rest I threw away.  And don't get me started on the doctor who wanted to give me potassium pills, bananas cured my potassium deficiency.

    The trick is finding the balance, as McBain said sunblock just hasn't been around long enough to really know when and how often it should be used, or the long term effects, if any.  I think it's good to be skeptical, within reason.  Just look at what we've done to the world's seed supply and bees with our "cures" for weeds and insects.

    Shorter version, scientific advancements are awesome, but tread carefully because we're not nearly as smart as we think we are.  When in doubt, trust in nature over man.

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    There is a use by date (none / 0) (#132)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:14:45 PM EST
    on antibiotics and lots of other medications.  I have to remember to periodically clean out my medicine cabinet and throw away meds.

    Also not so sure it is a good idea to provide meds to folks unless you have a medical degree.

    I live on my boat for significant periods of time in locations where health care professionals are simply not accessible and carry more meds than most folks just in case.  But I do know enough to be careful about who gets them.

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    I think... (none / 0) (#139)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:55:21 PM EST
    expiration dates are optional, the sh*t will still work it just might lose a little potency.  Skeptic says they're a semi-scam to get you to buy more drugs.  I took some adderall somewhat recently that was 3 years expired and it did the trick, I just doubled the dose.

    Of course it's not the best idea, but when people are desperate you do what you gotta do.  Uninsured & broke people do a lot of dumb sh*t, but the alternative is sometimes far worse...like an untreated infection.  Last time I borrowed some was for an abscess tooth, which I've let heal on their own before with lots of garlic but if antibiotics are about and you can spare yourself some agony, f*ck it.  

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    As others have posted (none / 0) (#144)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:02:33 PM EST
    several new strains of germs that are resistant to antibiotics seem to be the result of too many folks taking too many meds.  The theory is if you don't complete the cycle of ten days (or what ever) of full strength antibiotics some of the stronger germs survive and kinda mutate into a more resistant strain.

    I understand your point about self medication sometimes being better than no medication, but in the bigger picture there can be a down side.

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    I've heard that theory, too (none / 0) (#168)
    by sj on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:00:30 PM EST
    But apparently it isn't exactly supported by research. Because apparently research hasn't actually been done on the optimal length of a course of antibiotics.

    I have to say, it's almost uncanny how often the discussions here touch on the topics of the podcasts that I catch. I swear it's true: I heard that just this morning.

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    It's Like a Fridge... (none / 0) (#145)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:18:24 PM EST
    ...yeah, month old ketchup ain't gonna hurt anyone, but try that same logic on chicken and you'll be in the hospital.

    Antibiotics are especially prone to aging.

    For a fairly young person, it amazing to see you thoughts about modern medicine seem to be more in tune with my grandma than someone in their 30's.  There wasn't anything garlic could not cure.

    That being said, for recreational uses the expiration dates don't matter since a drug isn't going to get stronger with age.

    I let an abscessed tooth that required oral surgery, this is not done at a dentist office.  Every doctor/dentist I saw mentioned that it could have killed me.  To say it was painful would be a huge understatement.

    The only good side is that it's medical so unlike dental, the surgery was covered.  They cut into your jaw, scrape out the infection, and then stitch it up.  I was out so didn't matter, but I had stitches in my mouth.

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    Listen to Grandma... (none / 0) (#155)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:59:40 PM EST
    garlic is a great natural antibiotic.

    I'm goofy, no doubt, but not as goofy as the hypochondriacs who go running to the doc for a hangnail. I go to the doc only when it is absolutely necessary, though it never dawned on me the ER would treat an abscess tooth.  I figured it would be a waste of time, and with no dental and no dough at those times, it was beg/borrow some antibiotics or suffer it out with garlic and salt water rinsing.  I'd rather have a broken leg than an abscess...it's horrible.  And what sweet relief when that b*tch finally pops.

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    clean water (none / 0) (#133)
    by CST on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:18:35 PM EST
    Was not clean since we had any significant human populations in small places until we figured out how to clean it.

    Cholera was a big thing, and people have been pooping for a lot longer than we've had industry.

    And anti-biotic resistent bacteria is often caused by misuse.

    I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong skepticism is important.  But you go too far down that path and you get anti-vaxers.

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    I hear you too... (none / 0) (#136)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:44:54 PM EST
    I'm crazy, not anti-vax crazy;) I do a cost/benefit analysis on the fly and if the thunder don't get me then the lightning will.

     

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#137)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:47:35 PM EST
    ...and those same human beings were topping out at 35 for most of their existence, that is if they didn't die while being birthed.

    I am seriously laughing so hard I am getting tears, never mind that whole business about why black and brown people are black and brown, or that hair covered much more of their skin, your skin should be fine without modern science, only people who use sunscreen get skin cancer after all since it is definitely unproven.  What are UV rays anyways ?

    GD, you and kdog crack me up with the modern science will kill non-sense.

    FYI, homo sapiens have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.

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    Happy to amuse... (none / 0) (#141)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:37:42 PM EST
    laugh all you want, my initial burn led to one spiffy lookin' tan this summer.

    I'll roll the dice with El Sol, good luck to you and oxybenzone.

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    Then what's your strategy? (none / 0) (#142)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:43:29 PM EST
    Sunscreen all the time? Only during the peak sun hours? only when you'll be exposed for more than 20 minutes?  What kind of sunscreen?

    It's easy to make straw man arguments like "only people who use sunscreen get skin cancer".  It's another thing have all the answers.

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    Fine, McBain. Roll the dice. (none / 0) (#151)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:53:06 PM EST
    But when you do so, just remember that cemeteries have lots of residents who either claimed to know better, or felt the odds didn't apply to them.

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    If I Am Not Mistaken... (none / 0) (#159)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:07:55 PM EST
    ...Donald is speaking as a person who knows about the sun and the damage it can do.

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    You'd be correct, Scott. (none / 0) (#171)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:16:23 PM EST
    Much of the UV damage I suffered to my skin was likely incurred earlier in life, when I was a blond-haired, blue-eyed stud who spent a lot of SoCal and Hawaii summers outdoors, disdaining sunscreen and wearing nothing more than a pair of board shorts. To make matters worse, I'd often magnify the sun's effect by using coconut oil, which gave me an awesome golden tan. My German-Irish-Welsh heritage likely didn't help, either.

    Well, the evidence is now in, and that awesome tan from days of yore could well have proved terminal to me, had I not gone to the doctor in late 2006 to inquire about a perpetual scab on my right shoulder blade that didn't heal. That was my first bout with melanoma. The insidious thing about UV rays is that the damage they cause to your skin is both cumulative and compounding over the long term.

    Nowadays, I use sunscreen whenever I'm outdoors, and I also wear my broad-brimmed South African bush hat. That said, even with all my current precautions, it might already be too late for me, particularly if I eventually get a third recurrence. Only time will tell.

    Aloha.

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    It's rolling the dice no matter what (none / 0) (#179)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 06:59:54 PM EST
    Wearing lots of sunscreen  has risks, so does not wearing any.  I choose to use it in moderation to prevent burns.   I'm not positive my strategy is the best, it just makes the most sense based on available information and practicality.

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    (Sigh!) Where do you come up with this stuff? (none / 0) (#192)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:26:28 PM EST
    McBain: "Wearing lots of sunscreen has risks, so does not wearing any."

    Yeah, sunscreen can pose a health risk -- provided that you first allow it to dry into powder and then inhale it.

    That's because sunscreen's active component in blocking UV rays is titanium oxide, which researchers have found may be potentially carcinogenic in dry powder form if inhaled, although their findings on that subject at this point are suggestive and not yet conclusive.

    For others with sensitive skin, failure to clean the skin thoroughly of sunscreen at the end of one's day can result in clogged pores and hair follicles, which can lead to varying degrees of skin inflammation and can also aggravate acne in teens and young adults.

    But other than that, the health risk posed by sunscreen usage is minimal to none. Here are the facts:

    • One third of all diagnoses of cancer in the world today is for skin cancer.

    • Excessive exposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun is the primary cause of the three most common types of skin cancer -- basal cell carcinoma, squamous cell carcinoma and melanoma.

    • Effective use of sunscreens that absorb and / or block UV radiation results in reduced damage to the skin's DNA.

    • The reduction of DNA damage to the skin leads to a reduced risk from skin cancer.

    • Epidemiologic studies have repeatedly demonstrated that consistent use of sunscreens which block UV rays by individuals, results in the lower likelihood in those individuals of developing a skin cancer.
    And on THAT subject, the scientific research is both definitive and conclusive.

    Science is your friend, McBain, and not something to be feared. Educate yourself accordingly and for your own sake, please stop listening to whoever it is that's telling you this crap about threats posed by sunscreens. They obviously don't know what they're talking about.

    Aloha.

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    Correction: The active ingredient in sunscreen ... (none / 0) (#193)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:36:09 PM EST
    ... is titanium dioxide, and not titanium oxide.

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    You mean the active ingredient in some sunscreens (none / 0) (#194)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:54:46 PM EST
    I've used ones with zinc oxide and others with a long list of active ingredients.  I have heard good things about titanium dioxide but it certainty hasn't been proven to do more good than harm.

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    Please let us now how your theory pans out i (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:56:13 PM EST
    for you in the future.

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    Back in the day (none / 0) (#199)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:05:12 AM EST
    there was a pix on the cover to Time of Dennis Conner driving one of his America's Cup boats and he was using straight up zinc oxide on his nose and lips.  I was a serious windsurfer at the time (went to the Olympic trials) and would note zinc oxide was a must have in my travel kit.  Not just plain white zinc oxide, but I was given colored zinc oxide by a sponsor who had a hot babe apply it on my face like Indian war paint before a race.

    I still carry zinc oxide on my boat, both straight up and the Coppertone sun screen with zinc oxide.  There is an Oz company that makes Blue Lizard sunscreen with Titanium dioxide but I have always had problems finding it and even when I did it was very expensive.

    All that being said I mostly rely on Columbia long sleeve shirts and a hat with along these lines.

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    The Rule of Thumb is Easy... (none / 0) (#153)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:56:02 PM EST
    ...don't let the UV rays burn your skin, that is not unproven or in dispute, burning your skin drastically increases your risk in getting cancer.

    And while I don't always follow the advise of doctors and get burned, usually out of stupidity, that doesn't mean the science is bunk or unproven.

    Just because you smoke doesn't mean you will get cancer, but it does without a doubt, increase your odds immensely.  Same thing.

    My bugaboo is DEET, nothing comes close to working as good for bugs, but it's a known carcinogen.  I hate putting it on, but there are times when not putting it on is asking to itch like no tomorrow.  I try to shower before going to bed, but not always an option.  Eucalyptus works OK, but you have to keep putting it on and you get bit.  Right now I am experimenting with Pyrethrum misters.  I works great, but you have to mist every dusk and dawn, which isn't possible for me.

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    Yeah, me too for the most part. (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 06:40:21 PM EST
    Only wear them when I can feel I need them, not all the time I'm outside.

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    Polarized sunglasses (none / 0) (#28)
    by ding7777 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 06:55:11 PM EST
    This summer I started wearing polarized sunglasses while driving. It not only helps me with direct sunlight but also sunlight glare and reduces eye adjustment into shaded areas.

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    I have light eyes and they are a tad sensitive (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:19:10 PM EST
    So I always wear them. I do not use sunscreen though and do get enough sunlight time in daily (I walk everywhere, garden and have a dog that needs a few miles a day) I don't do hats unless it's freezing, but I would do a hat to shade my eyes if I didn't have sunglasses. I just realized, I don't always wear sunglasses when gardening, depends on where the sun is :)

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    I Think That Depends... (none / 0) (#96)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:53:30 AM EST
    ...on where and what time of year.  In Texas when I go to Galveston not wearing sunscreen would be suicide, same with your eyes as UV rays are not good for your corneas.

    If you are in Minnesota right now I wouldn't think neither is medically important.

    I had read an article before summer on how important sunlight is to the sleep cycle.  It didn't mention sunglasses, but things like opening your blinds when you get up will shock your body into waking up.  I started doing to it before summer started and started opening all my blinds at work as well, so much so that even know my screen is hard to see.

    I think it works, could be placebo for all I know, but this summer I have been sleeping better than I used to.  I normally only wear sunglasses when I wear sunscreen.  Beyond the medical angle, I don't like the racoon eyes I get from wearing sunglasses all the time.

    I would also suggest getting polarized lenses as they block a lot more UV light and especially when you are on the water, they really aid on blocking out the reflective light that that is so bothersome to the eyes.  I have a polarized filter for my camera as well and the differences are significant.

    FYI, the sun is good for you in that it helps produce vitamin D, which is great for your skin, bones, and cardiovascular system.  But  think you get plenty even with sun screen on as it's pretty hard to cover every crevice that is exposed to the sun.

    But that would never outweigh the detrimental effects of sunburn.  And while I do go without for an hour or two, I build up a serious base tan.  If I did that at the beginning of summer, I would be so burnt I would have to to the ER.  I would say with sunscreen always error on the side of caution.

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    My doctor told me (4.67 / 3) (#101)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:06:06 AM EST
    That I was Vitamin D deficient (which surprised me since I drink milk every day - guess it's a different kind of Vitamin D).  She told me to go out in the sun. With no sunscreen (except on my face) for twenty minutes (no more), before 10 am or after 4 pm.  Longer than twenty minutes and between orak hours, I should ALWAYS have sunscreen on.

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    It's vitamin D3 (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Towanda on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:27:09 AM EST
    and I currently am being bombarded it it in meds, in addition to a daily pill, because I didn't take it as often as I ought to have done, when tests first found the deficiency.  

    So, recent tests show that I now have osteoporosis.

    The deficiency is especially seen in northern regions, with less sun.  And I'm lactose intolerant.

    Enjoy the sun, drink your milk, and get tested regularly.  If needed, take D3.  

    Or, I can tell you where to buy a fashionable cane, which I now take with me when traveling -- now that I finally have time for travel. . . .

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    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:31:16 AM EST
    I take my little D3 gel pill daily.  Luckily, I was just slightly under the threshold, so while technically "deficient," I'm not in trouble yet.

    But so sorry for your ills!

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    Also... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:56:59 AM EST
    ...dehydrated shiitake mushrooms are an excellent  source in the winter time as the fresh ones are only available in the summer.

    Plus they are a superfood and dehydrated they last forever, I actually like them better than fresh ones.  If you put them in the sun, by magic it increases the vitamin D.  Really, and I think that is true of all mushrooms.

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    Those polarized lenses (none / 0) (#138)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:53:47 PM EST
    For your camera and sunglasses, that knock the glare off the water, also allow you to see fish much deeper in the water.  The copper or amber shade lenses work best for seeing fish.  We all use them down here as well as sunscreen.  There are a few people I know that don't use sunscreen and some of them have little bubbles on their faces.  I use Bullfrog sunscreen since its waterproof, but you must scrub it off immediately in the shower or the good/bad stuff runs into your eyes and stings.  It's strong.  I know the bad ingredients pass through the skin and are filtered by the liver and kidneys, but skin cancers, like Donald's concern me more.

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    I Just Lost my Costas... (none / 0) (#156)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:03:29 PM EST
    ...body surfing a couple weeks ago.

    They float, but not in the waves.  I was so pissed as I never take them out in the water.

    Not sure why everything thought is was so funny that I had fisherman's sunglasses, but I will get another pair.  That magical nose grip that works better as you sweat is second to none in my book.

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    Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:08:21 PM EST
    ... appears to be channeling the corporate ghost of failed predecessor Carly Fiorina, announcing another 25,000-30,000 layoffs as she spins off "Hewlett Packard Enterprise" from the firm's computer and printing divisions. That brings the total number of layoffs at HP to about 85,000 since she took over in 2011, which is enough to populate a small city.

    Her cunning plan: to shrink HP (none / 0) (#114)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:18:31 AM EST
    - until she can sell it on Ebay.

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    Does anyone else think that (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:51:24 PM EST
    The Donald is going to take a hit for not knowing or caring at this time who the leaders of ISIS and Al Qaeda are? And mixing up what Kurds and Quds are?

    No (5.00 / 5) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 07:57:36 PM EST


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    Nope, not in the race he is in (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:09:22 PM EST
    How many of the other 16 could answer the question?

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    More importantly (none / 0) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:15:46 PM EST
    How many of the people who would vote for him could answer the question?

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    Honestly I don't know who the leaders are either (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:19:44 PM EST
    So I'm not faulting the voters on this one.

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    Guess I was going more by (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:18:41 AM EST
    knowing the difference between the Kurds and the Quds than the name of the leaders  of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    The point I was trying to make is if his voters don't have or care about that type of knowledge, they are IMO less likely to care if he knows that type of information.

    To them, the rhetoric of "I will make American strong again is more important than Trump knowing what the f he is talking about.

    Of course, the same type of logic was used with Dubya.  Too, too many people trusted Dubya to lead us into an unnecessary war without questing his knowledge, or lack thereof, of Iraq and the ME.

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    Heh, I know who they are (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:39:13 PM EST
    But if you are running for President in these times how can you not know who they are? That's Sarah Palinish if Game Change is a factual account of Sarah's lack of love or respect for relevant facts. Fiorina knew who they were, but immediately identified who was supported by Iran and linked everyone to declarations of destroying Israel...but she did know who all the leaders of preeminent terrorists groups were.

    How can The Donald criticize Obama's foreign policy when he can't even name the leader of ISIS or Hamas or Hezbollah or Al Qaeda? How can he know enough about foreign policy to criticize Obama's?

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    I agree the candidate should know (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 09:02:57 PM EST
    And the voter should want the candidate to know. And sure,  the voter should know too, before he elects someone to go try to kill someone. But I just can't cast stones at the voters since I don't know myself!

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    What a life (4.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:26:52 PM EST
    So they don't really care who the bad guys are? They want all that fear to remain undefined and honestly analyzed, just free floating constant anxiety.  Must suck bad to be a Republican, no peace of mind...just live in constant fear and exhaustion agony.

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    Bingo! (none / 0) (#66)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 10:02:53 PM EST


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    When is the debate? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:30:09 PM EST


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    Tomorrow night (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:40:30 PM EST


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    Of course not. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:49:59 PM EST
    This is a political base whose members likely don't know their own a$$es from a hole in the ground, and are proud of it.

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    You don't think his competition will ding him (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 15, 2015 at 08:59:35 PM EST
    Tomorrow night? It's hard for me to tell. Because foreign policy is so in my face important to me right now, for selfish self preservation reasons :) I live in a sort of concern bubble. It really blows me away though and is equally offensive that the people always clamoring to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran don't know the difference between Kurds and Quds and don't care. It is estimated that at least 100 ex U.S. military left the U.S. and are fighting alongside Kurdish forces against ISIS right now, but the military loving terrorist hating Republicans don't know the difference between Kurds and Quds? And they don't care?

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    You live amongst them, MT. (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:02:40 AM EST
    From my experience, they generally can't tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese, or Mexican and Salvadoran. Do you really expect them to differentiate between Kurds and Quds?

    On the other hand, the white racists in my own family (No. IL / So. WI branch) can sure tell the difference between people of German, Scandinavian, Polish and Lithuanian descent. It's almost uncanny and amazing.

    Go figure.

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    C'mon Tracy, (none / 0) (#78)
    by NYShooter on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:03:06 AM EST
    You're a smart lady, too savvy to not have figured them out by now. Trump's got the rhetoric down pat by now.

    Question, "Who's the leader of whatever-ka-stan?"

    Answer, "I don't know, I don't care, why should I care now? Why screw up my beautiful mind with a lot of worthless crapola at this stage of the campaign. These other guys running will stay up all night listening to their "advisors" cramming all this worthless junk into their pea brains. Haven't you noticed how they come into these debates all bleary eyed, and yawning. But, me, I'm fresh as a daisy, raring to go, ready to tear their hearts out debating, or, like I do in real life, negotiating like a genius.  BTW, did I tell you how rich and successful I am? And, one of the reason no one beats me at anything is because I don't worry about this sort of useless crap.

    Now, let me tell you people something, and, you can take it to the bank. When the time comes, I guarantee you one thing: Those tin-horn Dictators who have been beating the crap out of past Presidents, especially Obama, and taking them to the cleaners; I guaranty you one thing, they will remember the name, DONALD TRUMP!!

    The place goes berserk, the walls shake, exuberant, non-stop applause goes on like, forever, and instant polls show he's picked up another 10 points.

    You know, when entertainers are interviewed, and asked, "the reason for their success," the stock reply is, "I give'm what they want."

    Everyone should know by now that These early, Republican, Primary voter types, they have shown it again, and again, that they are anti-science, anti critical thinking, and, anti-education. Anything that requires cognitive effort is a guaranteed loser. Trump "get's it." He feeds them convoys of front end loader quantities, of cow schit, and this "Deliverance" Crowd has proven they just can't get enough of it.

    Looking back, it really should have been obvious. Southern, so-called Conservative voters want schit, they demand schit, they clamor for schit. they pray for schit. And, Donald Trump's genius is simply, "giving them what they want."  

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    I keep hoping for them though (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:04:31 AM EST
    They can't want to be this stupid forever. You can't want your children so uneducated and emotionally unable to really make it in this changing inter-connected world? There must be a turning point. Who can make it just being veneered, with no real substance? No TRUE foundations? I couldn't even get up in the morning with that much veneer hanging off me.

    We followed the football team to Moultrie GA, played Collquit (#5 in the nation). We were beaten mercilessly but on the back roads journey there passed two flying stars and bars. One was outside a tiny rusted trailer house and the other a falling down shack. Stop spending your precious money on jacka$$ flags and invest in some concrete, galvanized nails, and paint  :)

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    Isn't that (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:20:21 AM EST
    the biggest irony? It's always the broken down shacks that have the stars and bars flying. The real irony is that they are popular in N GA which IIRC was pretty much against the civil war as mountain people didn't have slaves.

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    It's bizarre right now (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:27:34 AM EST


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    Most of southern Appalachia's residents ... (none / 0) (#160)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:24:05 PM EST
    ... living in western Virginia (which eventually became the state of West Virginia in June 1863), eastern Tennessee, western North Carolina, northeast Alabama and northwest Georgia were actually fairly strident in their support for the Union.

    Needless to say, the Confederate government faced an almost impossible task in asserting its civil authority in the region, particularly when it enacted conscription in 1862, an act which incurred open hostility from the populace. Not surprisingly, the arrival of Union troops in east Tennessee in late 1862 was greeted with open arms by the "Mountain Unionists." Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Abraham Lincoln to the presidency in April 1865, was a Mountain Unionist, as were over 100,000 Union soldiers.

    Another area of pro-Union activity in the Confederacy was the Texas hill country, which had been initially settled by mostly German immigrants who had fled Europe in 1848-49 in the wake of widespread rebellion and unrest, and they were staunchly opposed to slavery. Their moral opposition to the Confederate authorities led to severe reprisals being taken against them.

    In one rather notorious incident, a party of 65 German Unionists attempting to flee to Mexico were ambushed near the Nueces River by Confederate cavalry, who killed 19 of them and then hanged many of the survivors for treason.

    Aloha.

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    There were folks in the North (none / 0) (#200)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13:05 AM EST
    who objected to the Union fighting the Civil War as well.

    But my question to Donald is about the later stages of the war when the Union was marching through Kentucky and Tennessee.  Seems like the path of their march made little sense until it was overlayed on the location of the whiskey distilleries.  Seems like the Union armies managed to hit every one.

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    You Forgot... (none / 0) (#99)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:00:51 AM EST
    ... Jeremy Corbyn.

    And no, I think part of his charm is that he is as dumb as his base who doesn't give two sticks about actual 'politics'.

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    Woman Endured 8 Days In NYC Psych Ward (none / 0) (#80)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:33:14 AM EST
    - Because New York City's Finest Racists Didn't Believe BMW Was Hers:

    NEW YORK -- Kamilah Brock says the New York City police sent her to a mental hospital for a hellish eight days, where she was forcefully injected with powerful drugs, essentially because they couldn't believe a black woman owned a BMW.

    The suit details how Brock pulled up to a traffic light in Harlem on Sept. 12, 2014, the music on her car stereo playing loudly. An NYPD officer approached her and asked why she was driving without her hands on the steering wheel, according to the suit.

    Now I know what you're thinking.  Anybody smarter than the racist p** in question would immediately realize that if the officer was able to walk up to the car in question, it obviously wasn't being driven, period.

    Brock was taken instead to Harlem Hospital, where medical records obtained by her attorney, Michael Lamonsoff, show she was injected with powerful sedatives and forced to take doses of lithium.

    "He held onto me and then the doctor stuck me in the arm and I was on a stretcher and I woke up to them taking my clothes off, specifically my underwear," Brock tearfully recalled for PIX11's Nicole Johnson. "Then I went back out again. When I woke up the next day, I felt like I was in a nightmare. I didn't understand why that was happening to me."

    Medical records also show that over the course of her eight-day stay, personnel at the hospital repeatedly tried to get Brock to deny three things before she could be released: that she owned the BMW, that she was a professional banker, and that President Barack Obama followed her on Twitter.

    The lawsuit says it was these three assertions that were the basis for the city determining that Brock was delusional and to diagnose her with bipolar disorder.

    And just to make things perfect:

    When Brock was finally released from the hospital, the lawsuit states, she was slapped with a $13,000 medical bill.
    You Didn't Mention... (none / 0) (#100)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:04:05 AM EST
    ...but I assume all three things were true.

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    Obama "follows" 640,000 people's twitter (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:35:03 AM EST
    feeds.  That is an inconceivable amount of pointless messaging.  If it's true I'd assume it feeds directly into a bit bucket.  That way everyone feels "followed" without actually being followed.  This Snopes article mentions that it would have taken the cops only minutes to verify that part of her story.  It is this simple.

    If the story is as presented by her attorney, it's pretty scary.  It's Kafka territory.  The story originally surfaced in the Daily News.

    I posted it because it wasn't about Clinton, Benghazi, emails, etc.  

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    The story is a year old (none / 0) (#102)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:20:59 AM EST
    and gets a little distorted as time passes.

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    Yes, all true -- and no need to assume (none / 0) (#105)
    by Towanda on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:31:36 AM EST
    See the linked story.

    (A current story for a reason, too, even though the incident occurred a while ago.)

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    George McGovern (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:43:32 AM EST
    Looks like Big Orange is going ga-ga for George McGovern.....

    You know (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:10:01 AM EST
    I like Bernie. His supporters at the Orange are doing him a great disservice. And if the same people that are over there are going out and talking to people the same way they are blogging they are certain to drive voters away. It's like a ton of Politikix over there.

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    Gee are HRC (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:30:43 AM EST
    Supporters doing her a disservice by dishonestly trying to discredit Sanders through email attacks?

    WASHINGTON -- A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.

    Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.
    ...
    According to journalists who received an email from the group, it attacked Sanders for congratulating Corbyn on winning the Labour leadership election and drew attention to the British politician's "most extreme comments" on foreign policy.

    digby

    Hmm some commenters on a blog vs an organized PAC distributing trash to journalists.

    Seems you might want to tell the HRC organized supporters to clean up their act before you continue your condemnation  of Sanders supporters.

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    David Brock.. (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:47:03 PM EST
    this is the same David Brock who, in the early nineties, worked as a right-wing dirty trickster/writer for every right-wing rag and think tank you think of; who publicly called Anita Hill "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" and who wrote innumerable hit pieces attacking the Clintons..

    Then he was outed as a deeply closeted gay man who made a living attacking gays and other traditionally marginalized folks,  and over a period of a couple of years suddenly became a voice of progressive liberalism.

    That David Brock.

    An improvement over Mark Penn, I guess.

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    Well (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:47:09 AM EST
    I guess it's game on then and we have a primary.

    This is very weak tea though compared to what the GOP would do to Bernie.

    Bernie did praise Corbin though:

    "At a time of mass income and wealth inequality throughout the world, I am delighted to see that the British Labour Party has elected Jeremy Corbyn as its new leader," Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said in a statement emailed to The Huffington Post Saturday. "We need leadership in every country in the world which tells the billionaire class that they cannot have it all. We need economies that work for working families, not just the people on top.


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    I have to tell you, Ga6th, I (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:22:16 AM EST
    don't think Bernie's self-identification as a socialist is going to hurt him. And making remarks supportive of the new leader of Great Britain's Labour Party is hardly radical leftwing rhetoric.

    Brock is a fool and a danger to Hillary's campaign. He cut his teeth as a rightwing hitman gunning for the Clintons. His tactics remain as despicable when used against Hillary's opponents as they were when Brock directed them at the Clintons.

    One of the best things about the Hillary-Sanders race, and such a contrast to the trash being spewed by the GOP hopefuls, has been the refusal to engage in personal attacks, the focus on issues.Hillary abandons that at her peril. I say this as someone who ha not chosen a candidate in the Democratic primary, someone who is genuinely torn between Hillary and Bernie.

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    I think I'll make up my mind in the booth... (none / 0) (#116)
    by CST on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:25:43 AM EST
    Honestly I've never been this torn.

    I love everything Bernie represents, I just don't know that he'll be able to accomplish anything.

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    I Am Fine With Him... (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:38:37 AM EST
    ...not getting anything done so long as he changes the conversation, Obama has left things in pretty good shape.  What I am not fine with is him not winning the actual race and having an R running the show with majorities in Congress.  2 SCOTUS appointments matter considering what they have just done with civil rights.  Torn indeed.

    If I start seeing HRC, circa last later primaries, Bernie will get my vote.

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    I'd be lying (none / 0) (#123)
    by CST on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:18:29 PM EST
    If I didn't think the "this ones for my grandmother" factor would play a role.

    And that's just for me personally, but I imagine I won't be the only one.

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    Well That is a Luxury... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:09:43 PM EST
    ...we on the left have, HRC or Sanders.  I don't think any D's or liberals are going to lose much sleep no matter who gets the nod, they are both infinitely better than all 16 republican candidates put together on a good day.

    Right now my vote is for HRC to lose and it's going to take more than some fabricated email scheme, but going after Sanders republican style would not help.

    To me dirty campaigns equal dirty administrations.

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    What is the :this one's (none / 0) (#124)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:23:36 PM EST
    for my grandmother" factor? I do not get the reference.

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    Female president factor (none / 0) (#125)
    by CST on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:26:20 PM EST
    For me it's the fact that my grandmother has campaigned for Hillary multiple times and has spent her life fighting for Dem politics and probably won't get another chance to experience a female president.

    For me it's my grandmother for others it may be themselves or their daughter or whoever.

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    Now I get it. (none / 0) (#128)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:50:50 PM EST
    For me it would be all the women in my family, past, present and to come. Everyone of them who was told at some point that "women don't do that," or "women can't do that", or a favorite of mine "women should not do that."

    I am just a few years younger than Hillary. I am of an era before Title IX, a time when a girl was advised to always lose at tennis, or whatever, to the boy or he would not like her.

    My father, thinking, I am sure, that he was complimenting me, used to tell me that I thought just like a man. Made me crazy.

    So, yeah, electing a woman president is a big deal to me. Just not a GOP woman.

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    Probably b/c I don't watch tv, I'm (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:31:14 PM EST
    in the dark as to why praising Corbyn will be a minus for Sanders.

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    Because Hillary's people (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:05:00 PM EST
    think Corbyn is a godless commie and want Americans to think that too.

    All in the name of winning at all costs.

     

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    According to the Article (none / 0) (#157)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:04:54 PM EST
    The PAC's email went a wee bit further than that.

    Monday's Correct the Record email strays from that pattern. The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments." Among those was the suggestion that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was "a tragedy," since there was no attempt to arrest the former al Qaeda leader and put him on trial. The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."
    ....
    The more serious stretch comes as the email highlights how Sanders helped negotiate a program with Venezuela's national oil company in 2006 that provided discounted heating oil assistance to low-income Vermonters. The senator said it was "not a partisan issue," in the state, which was the sixth to make the deal. His support for the program was apparently enough to merit a mention, since Corbyn has written that the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's "electoral democratic credentials are beyond reproach."


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    You changed the subject and failed to answer (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:50:04 PM EST
    the questions posed.

    The issue wasn't whether or not the attacks by Hillary's PAC are weak tea compared to what attacks of GOP will come up with. The issue under discussion was whether HRC's supporters were doing her a "great disservice" with their attacks on Sanders.

    If these same people are going out and talking to people the same way they are emailing their attacks, "are  they certain to drive voters away?" Or does your assessment only apply to people who support Sanders?

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    Speaking as a Clinton supporter, ... (none / 0) (#164)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:54:08 PM EST
    ... I think the emails about Sanders are nonsensical. But then, socialism is not anathema to me, the way it is for far too many others who are simply ignorant about the concept, and are too intellectually lay to do anything more than dismiss it as a form of communism or even fascism. In that regard, I don't like the notion of playing to the electorate's lowest common denominators.

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    Someone said something positive (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:53:50 PM EST
    about Hugo Chavez. Oh, the humanity. How controversial.

    What is this? 1962?

    Senator, are you now, or have you ever been..

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    weak tea: (none / 0) (#154)
    by sj on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:56:55 PM EST
    see also:

    All your repetitive comments. Your repeating them ad nauseaum doesn't make them any more true. I really, really don't want to call you a concern troll. So I wish you would stop doing it.

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    Gotta love Irving, TX (none / 0) (#93)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:41:06 AM EST
    can't have a clock at school without getting detained by the police and suspended by the principal.

    Here are some links to that sad story (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:56:46 AM EST
    New York Times

    Dallas Morning News

    ABC

    Guardian

    Hindustan Times

    the twitter pic of the kid being led, handcuffed, through the police station wearing his NASA t-shirt

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    He's got a hashtag or two, but the twitter (none / 0) (#98)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:58:31 AM EST
    pic is at the top of the NYTimes story.

    #IStandWithAhmed is the hashtag

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    And now he has a twitter friend (none / 0) (#130)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:54:58 PM EST
    that should take care of this silliness.

    President Obama @POTUS

    Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great.

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    Ahmed gets a White House Invitation (none / 0) (#129)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 12:52:14 PM EST
    IRVING, Texas -- A Texas high school student at the center of a storm after authorities mistook his clock invention for a fake bomb got a reprieve from the highest level Wednesday. President Obama invited him to bring his invention to the White House.


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    What I Giant... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 01:24:58 PM EST
    ...kick in the coconuts to the school district, principle, and idiot cops.

    NASA, Facebook, the White House, and an airline offering him invites & free rides.  The idea that a kid could be passive aggressive to an police officer should have that cop looking for a job for even suggesting something so GD stupid.

    I don't like this business where even if you don't do anything wrong, the cops demand an explanation and then if it's not to their satisfaction, they keep your stuff, in this case his tablet and briefcase.

    Maybe TL's cop apologizer could explain it.

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    It's all perfectly understandable, CG. (none / 0) (#175)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:33:12 PM EST
    The kid's name is Ahmed, and so the school principal and the local TX authorities simply put two and two together, and came up with f(x) = 2ax + bx + c / 2a - b.

    Maybe our resident Islamophobe will make an appearance to explain it all to us.

    ;-D

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    Shami Witness gets cloned, but 'Australi Witness,' (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:53:16 AM EST
    reputed to be a notorious Islamic State supporter and bomb adviser (?) turned out to be a Jewish guy living with his parents in Florida.

    There is a truly bizarre case out of Australia where a 20-year-old has been arrested after posting bomb making instructions and encouraging fellow Islamic State supporters to engage in terrorism.

    Goldberg has been writing about his work with other jihadis and distributed pictures of a bomb with "2 lbs of explosives inside" that closely resembled the bomb used in the Boston Marathon attacks. Working with Australian authorities, Goldberg was arrested in Florida and charged with "distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction."

    During his long role as Australi Witness, Goldberg was viewed by many intelligence officials to be a serious and major terrorist suspect.

    This is not his only hoax or false identity. Goldberg also established a blog on the Times of Israel in the name of prominent Australian lawyer, Josh Bornstein. He then posted articles that called for the "extermination" of Palestinians.




    Kidney stones (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 02:24:38 PM EST
    could not keep me from tonight's debate.

    To get that out of the way, nothing has passed.  I had another attack Monday morning which led to another visit to the emergency room and ultimately to out patient surgery with the laser to break the infernal thing into smaller pieces.  Which was aparrently successful as far as it goes but they also installed a stint that will remain until a week from today and the doctor said it was unlikely any would pass until the stint is removed.  So I still have that to look forward to.

    That said , tonight will be potentially epic.   Literally because it will be three hours.  

    Think I'll watch reruns of Big Bang instead (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:01:42 PM EST
    It's far more educational.

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    Come on (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:15:18 PM EST
    admit it.  You will be watching.

    You know what's weird to me?   Ben Carson.

    Trump is the unlikeliest of front runners but on some level I get it.   I understand the appeal.

    Carson is to me far more frightening.  I don't get his appeal at all.  The man is a complete lunatic.  He has no appeal but hate.   As crazy as he is Donald is in some ways an optimistic candidate.   Carson is pure 100% sanctimonious hate mongering.   That's frightening.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:27:12 PM EST
    if you can only take one hour I would watch the last hour.

    That when nerves and wits are going to be starting to fray I'm thinking.

    3 hours is a long time to be "on".

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    I don't have cable (none / 0) (#176)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 06:06:15 PM EST
    But a local little channel does play lots of Big Bang.

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    You know (none / 0) (#177)
    by sj on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 06:12:35 PM EST
    this is very good advice.

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    My cousin and her husband ... (none / 0) (#162)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:38:31 PM EST
    ... are arriving over at Kona airport this afternoon from L.A., so we're going to drive over there to pick them up. (I wish they would've flown into Hilo instead, and spared me the 90-min. drive across the island. That's why we have two airports, one for each side of the island.) In fact, we're going to leave in about an hour. So darn, we'll miss the GOP debate. What a drag.

    ;-D

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    So here I am at Kona Airport, ... (none / 0) (#185)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:40:08 PM EST
    ... waiting for my cousin's plane to arrive from L.A. and I turn on the radio, only to learn that we're presently under a tsunami watch, following an 8.3 magnitude earthquake which struck just off the coast of Chile at 7:55 p.m. local time. If a tsunami is in fact generated, its estimated time of arrival in the islands would be tomorrow morning about 2:30 a.m. HST (or 8:30 a.m. EDT).

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    Same With the Southern... (none / 0) (#197)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:46:41 AM EST
    ...California coast.  I believe they have closed all beaches.

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    Howdy, glad to hear the progress. (none / 0) (#146)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:24:13 PM EST
    BTW what time is the debate?  It's not listed.  Trump's dopey battleship speech time wasn't listed either.  Did he rent that battleship?  Bizarre.  

    The kiddy debate (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:30:00 PM EST
    is 5 to 6:45(pfffft)

    The grownup debate is 7-10 central.

    He probably bought the ship.  I saw some of it.   It was equal parts hilarious and terrifying.    

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    That's CNN (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 03:30:33 PM EST


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    Awsum (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:34:37 PM EST
    In an attempt to perhaps pander to conservative Christians who make up a sizable chunk of the GOP's voting base, Republican candidate Donald Trump cited a verse from the Bible that apparently doesn't exist.

    "There's so many things that you can learn from it (The Bible)," CNN reports Trump told the Christian Broadcasting Network in an interview. "Proverbs, the chapter `never bend to envy.' I've had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy."

    CNN tried to find the Proverb that says "never bend to envy," and came up short, and notes that while Trump has cited the Bible as his favorite book on numerous occasions, he's never been able to quote an actual verse.

    He said it was because the issue was very personal to him, telling Bloomberg, "The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

    During the CBN interview, Trump then compared the Bible to a good movie that gets better every time you see it, and said it is "special."

    "The Bible, is special. The Bible, the more you see it, the more you read it, the more incredible it is. I don't like to use this analogy, but like a great movie, a great, incredible movie. You'll see it once it will be good. You'll see it again. You can see it 20 times and every time you'll appreciate it more. The Bible is the most special thing."
    And you thought kidney stones were painful.. (none / 0) (#163)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:48:17 PM EST
    wait till that debate starts.

    Having an ironic sense of humor will be your saving grace.

    Hope you're feeling better, Cap.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:56:08 PM EST
    you know, one of the thing I have found interesting about this  experience is the apparently irresistible urge to immediately on hearing you have a kidney stone launch into relating all the most horrifying  stories you have ever heard on the subject.

    Seriously.  Wtf

    If you tell a room full of people you have a brain tumor their first impulse, in my experience, is not to start a "can you top this" round of horrifying brain tumor stories.

    Hell my second cousin gouged out both his eyes with an ice pick  just to take his mind off the brain tumor pain.


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    Jeebus (none / 0) (#165)
    by sj on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:55:30 PM EST
    I can't believe he says that kind of stuff in public. By the 10 grade most students have learned that pretending you have read the assignment can always be differentiated from actually reading the assignment.

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    It is truly stunning (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 04:56:59 PM EST
    but it's the way he rolls.

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    new and improved (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 05:24:24 PM EST
    American Horror Story -Hotel Trailer

    Now with more Lady Gaga!

    Watching the clown car (none / 0) (#180)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:29:45 PM EST
    My husband says, "He's going full Trump, you should never go full Trump."

    OMG, Did You Husband... (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:56:22 AM EST
    ...just call Donald a r****d ?

    Very Funny.

    But I have a serious gripe about Jeb, this claim he and just about every republican on the planet keeps making, that GWB kept us safe.

    Yeah, idiots, as long as he gets a gimme over 9/11 he kept us safe, in the real world he did not in any conceivable way keep us safe.

    It's the one thing I wish Trump would have called Jeb out on.

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    And Josh says (none / 0) (#181)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:31:49 PM EST
    It's not over until the fat man sings.

    Nobody is politically correct tonight

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    OMG. Trump is even worse now (none / 0) (#183)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:38:01 PM EST
    than he was the last time.

    Everyone's a loser but Trump.  He can get along with everyone.  He won't hesitate to tell you you're ugly.  Jeb Bush is a liar.  

    Donald Trump is just IT, people!  He's the best, the only.  HE is THE ONE!

    I don't know if I can watch this florid ego for much longer.

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    He stepped on Jeb's face (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:40:03 PM EST
    Then danced on it. I almost felt sorry for Bush, then remembered who he was.

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    Tex-Mex Joe McCarthy (none / 0) (#186)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:43:45 PM EST
    Has not been standing in front of a mirror talking to it all day :)

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    These people are just stone crazy. (none / 0) (#187)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:47:38 PM EST
    I can't stand it.

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    That's why (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:19:18 PM EST
    I'm not watching it. One time of watching these freaks was enough for me.

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    Spouse says Tex-Mex scares the hell out (none / 0) (#189)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:18:50 PM EST
    Of him. He says something is wrong with that guy, he just isn't right. I console myself with giggling. Hopefully none of these people will even get close to launch codes.

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    I thought Pat Buttram was dead. (none / 0) (#188)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 07:50:54 PM EST
    Put Tex-Mex in overalls, and hello, Mr. Haney.

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    Look out for North Career though :) (none / 0) (#191)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:20:13 PM EST


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