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Posted on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 08:12:22 PM EST
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Our last open thread is just about full. I put up a thread for tonight's Republican debate. Here's a thread for all other topics, your choice.

For those of you who "forgot" our comment rules in my absence last week, it's time to remember them. I banned one person today for name-calling and insulting character attacks on another commenter, and I won't hesitate to do the same to anyone else who engages in such conduct here. It just needs to be called to my attention.

Thanks to everyone for their positive comments about my moving disaster. They were very heartfelt and comforting.

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    NOAA: Tsunami Advisory for Hawaii. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:20:36 PM EST
    At 7:55 p.m. local time (12:55 p.m. HST), an 8.3 magnitude earthquake occurred just off the coast of Chile. 35 minutes ago at 3:25 p.m. HST, NOAA's Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Honolulu issued the advisory, noting that significant wave activity was generated by that earthquake, and that the first wave will arrive in the islands at about 3:10 a.m. HST tomorrow morning (9:10 a.m. EDT).

    While a major tsunami is NOT expected, nevertheless some considerable tidal surges and currents are anticipated, which could pose a threat to anyone who's along the coastline at the time.

    Fortunately for us, our house is upslope from Hilo Bay, and sits at 300 ft. elevation, so we're not threatened personally. But for the Native Hawaiian homestead community of Keaukaha near the airport, residents there have been put on formal notice to be prepared to evacuate, should the signal be given later this evening. We'll know more in a few hours, for sure.

    Aloha.

    Saw/heard this earlier - please stay safe! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:22:29 PM EST
    Will keep you in my thoughts.

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    Taking this opportunity, off topic... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:24:25 PM EST
    to thank you, Anne, for the book you recommended about Madoff - No One would listen..

    It is riveting.

    I'm about 1/3 of the way through.

    On topic - I too send my thoughts to Donald.


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    I'm so glad you found it helpful! (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:24:14 AM EST
    The thing I kept saying to myself as I was reading it was, "this really happened - this isn't a whodunit thriller - this actually happened."

    It's riveting and jarring at the same time.

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    New favorite website (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:18:05 AM EST
    Sad Animal Facts

    They have a 2016 calendar :) (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:03:00 AM EST


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    I couldn't stomach this one (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:13:28 AM EST
    I watched the "opening statements", and after Carly said "only in America can you go from a secretary to a CEO" I wanted to throw something at a TV.  What an ignorant statement.

    The most appreciated line out of (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:55:27 PM EST
    the Reagan Cathedral:  Marco Rubio: I am not running again for US senator from Florida.   The least appreciated: Marco Rubio's knee slapper:  I heard there is a water shortage here in California, so I brought my own water--- a runner up to his climate change , shlimate change "skepticism": we need to save American jobs (not America, or the globe).

    FWIW (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:50:00 PM EST
     Census data shows Obamacare and welfare kept millions out of poverty

    • Number of uninsured Americans decreased by 8.8 million in 2014

    • Social Security reduced supplemental poverty measure by more than 8%

    LINK

    If there was any good news in the census data dump on Wednesday, it was that the US's welfare safety net programs and Barack Obama's signature healthcare legislation are doing exactly what they are supposed to.

    The supplemental poverty measure data released by the US Census bureau showed that programs like food stamps, refundable tax credits and social security benefits helped keep millions of Americans out of poverty in 2014. Similarly, the data regarding health insurance coverage showed that last year the number of uninsured Americans dropped by 8.8 million.

    ...
    The supplemental poverty measure (SPM) report released on Wednesday looks at the effectiveness of various elements in alleviating poverty as well as effects of various other expenses. In 2014, the SPM was 15.3% - that's equivalent to more than 48 million Americans living in poverty.

    The SPM report found that last year social security benefits reduced SPM by 8.2%, tax credits reduced it by 3.1% and food stamps reduced it by 1.5%. Out-of-pocket expenses, however, increased the SPM by 3.5%. Each percentage point is equivalent to more than 3 million Americans.

    Viva la socialism !!!

    I agree with you (none / 0) (#64)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:25:19 PM EST
    but it reminds me a bit of the "jobs created or saved"

    It's hard to feel "jobs saved" as it relates to social programs.  Likewise "kept out of poverty" is a harder metric to feel than "brought out of poverty".

    To be clear I'm not negating any of this I just wish it were a more cleanly packaged message.

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    A little devil's (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:07:57 PM EST
    advocacy here...

    but I just watched Florina on CNN saying that it is only women who have their appearance referred to.

    My devil's advocate question is:
    With respect to this competition between republicans, why is it different to refer to Florina's face and the across-the-board endless references to Trump's hair?

    I'll wait for the tomatoes coming my way...

    Ok (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:36:11 PM EST
    OK!
    I admit it I make fun of Christies weight.    I'm a baaaaaaad person.  

    I'll up ya one.  I saw Carly this morning whining that while all the candidates had to stand there for three hours she had to do it in heels.  

    Scuse me, you didn't have to wear heels.   That was a personal vanity decision.    And btw, while looking at her smirking pinched face in split screen while and after she made her face remarks, I realized Donald was right.   I would not want to look at that face for the next 4 years.

    As far as Christies waistline,  at least when he drops out he can blow off the diet

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    Her comment about every woman in (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:02:23 PM EST
    America clearly hearing Donald...I said yeah to the TV, I clearly heard him...and you Carly have enabled this misogyny. It's yours, all yours, bought and paid for, your sisters can't help you or force you to leave the abusers, you have to do that for yourself.

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    You reminded me (none / 0) (#82)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:08:02 PM EST
    of a comment made some time ago by Ginger Rogers.

    She was talking about the praise lavished on Fred Astaire - while she was rarely given credit for her dancing abilities.

    She pointed out that she matched him, step for step, "backwards, and in heels'!

    In Ginger's case, that was part of her job.

    In Florina's case, if she chose to wear heels, well that was of her own doing. I don't get the impression that she was told to wear them, and the guys were given the option of comfy slippers.

    I must say - that she was among the scariest of the lot.

    The Holloween mask makers are going to have a ripe harvest this year - between Trump hair masks, Florina face, and ... that fking guy Cruz. Scary set of eyeballs on that dude.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:14:56 PM EST
    I think we were meant to make the Ginger Rogers connection.   Which is why it rankled me.   Correct, Ginger had no choice.   Carly could have worn Crocs if she wanted to.  

    I bet Lindsey would have worn her Jimmy Choos in a NY minute

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    "So yesterday!'" (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by bison on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:31:24 PM EST
    In the days following the comments she made about Boxer's hair, Fiorina refused to apologize.  Fiorina discussed the remark during an interview with Fox News, where she said that discussion of a female politician's looks "goes with the territory."

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    Yes (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:55:22 PM EST
    this has been my problem with her. She's just fine perpetuating sexist junk until it's aimed at her. Not defending what Trump said. She's almost like a useful idiot for the GOP and their sexism and she was until it all came down on her. Hopefully she learned something.

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    Or Chris Christie's weight, Cruz's soulless eyes (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:15:24 PM EST
    Jeb's unanimated corpse :). And that fox, babe, hottie, those eyebrows sitting behind Jake Tapper

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    Love it! (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:10:16 PM EST
    "Jeb's unanimated corpse".

    A classic.

    Parent

    We should get Captain Howdy's opinion on this (none / 0) (#112)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:49:33 PM EST
    I'm not sure if even Disney could bring JEB to life.

    Parent
    Looking at a video of Fiorino (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:47:42 PM EST
    during the segment re her face, I thought, what's wrong w/her chin?  Has she plumped her lower lip?

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    Saw my moms last night... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:35:55 AM EST
    got to talking about the debate, she said "The woman did good but she needs to wipe the puss off her face."

    I said "I think it's a permanent scowl Mom, she's a meanie."

    And she liked Carson, which threw me for a loop.  

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    My step mother likes HRC unless (none / 0) (#158)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:53:11 AM EST
    Biden runs. Or maybe Carson.

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    Moms dislikes Hillary... (none / 0) (#161)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:05:49 AM EST
    more than I do...but she'd never vote for a Republican.  She consults with her brightest son prior to Election Day and we vote in a bloc, which was Jill Stein in 2012.  And will be again unless Bernie shocks the world;)

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    You Have a Brother ? (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:24:50 AM EST


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    Two brothers... (none / 0) (#168)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:25:44 AM EST
    and a sister.

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    Not bright enough... (none / 0) (#169)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:35:47 AM EST
    to catch the dig on first reading though...well played, well played;)

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    Not Really... (none / 0) (#171)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:45:14 AM EST
    ...in that I thought you only has sisters.

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    Or for that matter (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:16:11 PM EST
    Chris Christie's weight.

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    For Trump... (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:37:55 PM EST
    ...his hair has been in the spotlight long before he became 'presidential'.

    Not making excuses, just stating the obvious.  Christie's weight is more on cue, but I think people, not me, have argued that his weight could be used as reflection of his personality.

    Calling someone ugly, no matter the context is unacceptable IMO.  I would say the same for weight.  It's 2015 and these people need to grow up.

    No tomatoes from me as I never mention that non-sense, for no other reason than I think it makes the person saying look worse than the intended target.  Think 'demos' is so childlike.  

    I mean seriously of all the things to go after Trump for, his hair, like that joke hasn't been milked a million times.

    That being said, I have a hard time condemning someone when they say something like Walker or Cruz looks like...  Not sure why, but I don't look at those comments the same, maybe because I tend to agree and it's not directed at a specific feature, I don't know.


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    You know... (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:57:40 PM EST
    when CNN quoted Trump's remark, they were actually repeating it for the benefit of millions of viewers.

    It reminded me of something Lenny Bruce said when he had been brought to court for saying, "c-cksucker" during his act.

    The prosecuting attorney said, " he said "c-cksucker"!
    He said, "c-cksucker"?
    Yes, he said "c-cksucker"!
    The judge says, "He said, "c-cksucker"?
    Yes. He said "c-cksucker"!

    Bruce realized that they were enjoying saying it.

    That's how I felt about the question.

    They could have just said that Trump had made a derogatory reference to Florina's appearance.

    But they didn't.

    My take: They get their jollies while posing as defenders of righteousness.

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    Just my opinion, but I think that ... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:08:04 PM EST
    ... the human face is an immutable physical characteristic, by which I mean that short of some serious plastic surgery, it's something that likely can't be changed. In that regard, Trump's derisive comment to Rolling Stone magazine about Carly Fiorina's face was wholly inappropriate and sexist. Further, I've noticed that he tends to only mock women's looks and appearances; men are generally given a pass.

    Trump's own blondish comb-over, on the other hand -- well, let's just be charitable and say that it's not an immutable physical characteristic. He chooses to look that way. On the other hand, if he's content and comfortable with that, then who are any of us to judge him on it, really? I happen to think he's an a$$, but for a myriad of reasons that have nothing at all to do with his hair.

    Personally, I've known a lot of guys over the years whose personal vanity tends to preclude them from aging well, from an emotional standpoint. As they get older, they become obsessed with maintaining a youthful and vigorous appearance, to the point where they soon become their own best caricature.

    I believe that a key component of personal happiness is one's willingness and ability to age gracefully. This requires you to accept yourself the way you are, at any particular moment in life. So at age 54, I look and dress the part accordingly.

    Aloha.

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    On the other hand, (none / 0) (#96)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:03:02 PM EST
    I remember that when Obama was running in 2008, there were many references to his appearance.

    Hot.
    A Fox.

    Of course, these were supposed to be positive references.

    But the emptiness of the observation - the irrelevance when considering someone who has the capacity to blow up the world...

    And then there are the current references to Rubio - handsome so they say.

    Ick all around.

    Of course, no one that I have seen is referring to Biden's hair transplant as yet. Maybe that will be in the wind.

    I have, on this site, referred to Kerry's makeover. He looks as if he is chiselling himself to be the next one on Mt. Rushmore.

    The sexist part then, would be that Trump's aside - that it would be quite disagreeable to have to look at Florina for four years - is that it was the opposite of praise. Not that it was a comment on the personal appearance of a candidate.

    I will offer an opinion about Cruz. He has a very scary visage. Huckabee could haunt a house. No problem. And Rand Paul's hair... what is he thinking?

    All of this is a side show - a distraction from the life and death issues with which we are faced.

    I accept what you said about the fact that comb-overs are voluntary, whereas a mug is a mug - barring surgery. And I do well recall the constant references to Hillary Clinton's pant-suits and even "cleavage" in the contest of 2008. Very sexist.

    But I have to admit that Trump's comment about Florina doesn't upset me much. Maybe if I didn't find what she says to be so disagreeable I might feel differently. What can I say?

    So be it, for my sins.

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    May I own up on this issue also (none / 0) (#116)
    by christinep on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:35:01 PM EST
    A soft mea culpa from me ... my reaction to Carly Fiorina, while built upon her HP actions & related attitudes seen in her unsuccessful campaign against Senator Boxer, is not unlike my reaction as a child to the Wicked Witch of the West as she contemplated her plans for the Wizard of Oz' Dorothy.  It must be the glary eyes and the angularity, huh!

    Parent
    And there (none / 0) (#85)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:12:10 PM EST
    always this pot meet kettle.

    Parent
    Fair question, to me the difference is (none / 0) (#104)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:30:05 PM EST
    that no one I've  seen is valuing or devaluing Trump on the basis of his hair the way people, especially Trump over many remarks about many women, values or devalues women based on their looks.

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    News on wages (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:48:00 PM EST
    Keeps getting worse.

    Link

    "A middle-income American family, in other words, makes substantially less money in inflation-adjusted terms than it did 15 years ago. And there is no evidence that is reversing. Those families lost ground in 2014. And as we've reported previously, the data on wages in 2015 so far does not suggest there is a meaningful acceleration on the way."

    This is what I mean when I say there is an age gap on socialism, this is what it comes from.  If you weren't old enough to make real money 15 years ago you aren't making it today and there is no hope on the horizon that it will get better, it just keeps getting worse.  Why would anyone care what happens to the 401k they don't have or the mortgages they can't get or taxes on income they don't have?

    I don't think Bernie is going to win this round, but I don't think we can (or should) ignore his appeal as a passing phenomenon that only naive kids would like.  The problem he's addressing is a very real and systemic one and unless something seriously changes it's only going grow.  And I worry that if not a Bernie than we'll eventually get a Trump (and I don't mean this year for that one either).

    I'm sure (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:06:29 PM EST
    there's definitely an age gap in that type of thing.

    I think the problem comes when people SEEM to favor one age over another.

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    Um, what? (none / 0) (#109)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:54:50 PM EST
    The Democratic candidates all understand the issue.  None of them are not planning to address inequality.  We have social program in Medicare and Social Security, and Obamacare was actually a large expansion of a social program Medicaid.  Every single candidate on the Dem side has said income inequality and wage stagnation are the central domestic issues we face today.  So basically all Democrats, including those who don't support Bernie, are focused on this.  I can't imagine why you think that issue will not be central to Democrats.

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    Must say...your posts and how (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:33:47 AM EST
    The 15 yr old in this house perceives the political and economic landscape line up perfectly. Even growing up down here, Josh predicts that when real life smacks his generation upside the head they will become a tidal wave of lefties.

    He hangs with such a nerd bunch. Who is 15 and watches that debate Wednesday night? I know my kid did but his parents are a bubble off. All of his friends did too. And they are all growing up in Conservative households. He was a little miserable after school last night. He said that sometimes he hates his friends, their people picker is broken. He says when it really gets to him he consoles himself by thinking there must be some gun loving redneck kid desperate to escape the suffocating insanity of NYC :) Then he feels better.

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    My son (none / 0) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:41:26 AM EST
    said the talk at the middle school yesterday was all about Carson vs. Trump. I guess the others don't rate with the middle school crowd around here :)


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    Soooo, in answer to how many (none / 0) (#136)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:06:58 AM EST
    Watched Wednesdays debate we can say that as far as we know, most of the South :) When middle schoolers are weighing in...who didn't watch it?

    Parent
    23 million (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:10:39 AM EST
    Fwiw

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    The Adventures of Hillary the Twitter Troll. (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:26:41 PM EST
    What Donald Trump said last night during the debate, when asked by CNN's Dana Bash why he criticized Jeb! Bush for speaking Spanish:

    "We have to have assimilation to have a country. We have to have assimilation. I'm not the first one to say this, Dana. We have had many people over the years for many, many years saying the same thing. This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish."

    What Hillary Clinton tweeted in response:

    "La libertad incluye el derecho de hablar en cualquier idioma. Eso nos hace fuerte como país y es algo que debemos celebrar--no denigrar."

    ("Freedom includes the right to speak in any language. That makes us strong as a country, and it is something that we should celebrate -- not denigrate.")

    Touché, Madame. Notre diversité devrait nous définissent et pas nous diviser. (Our diversity should define us, and not divide us.)

    Ciao. (Aloha.)

    You should (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 06:09:25 PM EST
    see the GOP alphabet she did. Pretty funny.

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    Thank you, Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:28:00 PM EST
    Clinton:

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    Clinton defends Planned Parenthood after Republican attacks

    By Heidi Przybyla 2 hours ago

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    Hillary Clinton speaks during a community forum on substance abuse on Sept. 17, 2015, in Laconia, N.H. (Darren McCollester, Getty Images)
    Hillary Clinton speaks in Laconia, N.H., on Sept. 17, 2015. (Darren McCollester, Getty Images)
    Hillary Clinton said Republican efforts to yank federal funding for Planned Parenthood would not stop abortions, but would deny millions of poor women health-care services, including cancer screenings.

    In a live interview on CNN, the Democratic front-runner responded to a series of attacks Republicans lobbed at her during a prime-time debate Wednesday night, including criticism of her record as secretary of State.

    "This is just the usual back-and-forth political attacks, the kind of things you say when you're on a debate stage and you don't have much else to say,'' said Clinton.

    She cited her role in negotiating a cease-fire between Israel and the militant Islamic group Hamas and in building a coalition that led to sanctions against Iran.

    A standoff between Democrats and Republicans over funding for Planned Parenthood is creating a showdown on Capitol Hill that risks another government shutdown. Clinton said that the effort would deny women critical health care services, which account for the majority of the group's work.

    "What this is about is the fact that some of the Planned Parenthood facilities perform abortions, which is legal under the laws of the United States,'' she said.

    "I understand that the Republican Party, and particularly the candidates we heard from last night, wish that were not the case, wish that abortion were illegal and they could turn the clock back,'' said Clinton.

    Responding to a clip of Carly Fiorina, considered one of the debate's biggest winners, saying that an undercover video targeting Planned Parenthood showed an aborted fetus with a still-beating heart kicking its feet, Clinton said, "There's a lot of emotion, there's a lot of accusations being hurled about.''

    The portion of the tape was edited in by an outside group, called the Center for Medical Progress, making it unclear where it came from.

    Clinton clarified that Planned Parenthood does not use federal money to perform abortion services, so the Republican attacks would only stop its health-care offerings.

    "If it's the services they are trying to shut down,'' said Clinton, "that is just wrong.''

    USA Today

    Ha Ha Ha Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 07:57:15 AM EST
    HRC ad - Republican debate

    That Ad Made My Day... (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:28:18 AM EST
    Here are two more:

    The first is HRC unleashing her secret weapon. LINK

    The second, the debate in cartoon form.  LINK

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:29:33 AM EST
    that ad made me laugh. And Fiorina thinks Iran and Planned Parenthood are one in the same? I guess they kind of are if you're a social conservative.

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    That was excellent - really well done. (none / 0) (#148)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:35:19 AM EST
    It's why I'm looking forward to the Democratic debate on October 13th - I think the contrast with the GOP debates so far is going to be "yoooooge!"

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    Perfect, complete with clown car music (none / 0) (#153)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:43:46 AM EST


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    Nasa's New Photos from Pluto (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:45:26 AM EST
    Closeups like you've never seen before.

    Cool stuff (none / 0) (#181)
    by McBain on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:33:13 AM EST
    I wonder if Pluto is typical of the other dwarf planets and Kuiper Belt Objects?

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    Like Hank Williams Jr said: (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:19:43 PM EST
    It's the family tradition.

    Ted Nugent.. (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:21:58 PM EST
    Funny, I still remember him laughing about how he faked insanity to get out of Vietnam. I wonder how many of his current fans know that.

    Now he doesn't have to fake it anymore.

    Been watching the "debates" (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 09:53:59 PM EST
    In between playing poker all day all I heard was "Will the Repubs attack Trumo???"

    Guess what.

    They didn't need to. Jake T did it for them.

    lol

    kdog (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:00:14 PM EST
    Be thankful the Mets have no more games against the Marlins.

    Magic number remains at 10.

    If you're getting nervous maybe you can light up a spliff with Jeb.

    I am... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:02:55 PM EST
    You've taken four outta the last six...get out of town!

    I had to put on the debate for God's sake.

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    Cubbiess won tonight. They (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 11:21:01 PM EST
    beat the Pirates 3-2 in 12 innngs. So far in this 4 game stand against the Pirates the Cubs have won 2 and the Pirates 1. Hope my guys take tomorrow's game.

    Amazingly, the Cubs have a very real chance of playing in the wild card game. And that is a game they could win. They would play the Pirates in the wild card matchup.

     The rest of this season is all gravy to me. All I wanted last April was for the Cubs to finish above .500. I am a happy Cubs' fan.

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    And I was in San Diego (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:01:03 AM EST
    I was lucky enough to have the ticket package for the playoffs and the World Series that year. `1984'
    Your Cubs were going for it and everyone was exhausted from cheering. It looks fun to be there and it was, but it was a hot day and we were all just totally drained and felt defeated. The Cubs were leading and it was a given they would win. But someone started the wave and from somewhere within we found that total stadium cheering energy. The guys even came out of the dugout to see what was happening. Then Garvey came up to the plate and hit the homer. SD went to the World Series. It was so exciting. There was an old man sitting next to me and when he went to hug me, he pinched my right one. I had to change seats with my friend. Heh. We had lost our voices, and the bottom line was we were never able to find that inner spirit during the series. We lost to Detroit but we did not care. We had defied odds and beat the Cubs. So if the Cubs make it to the playoffs, then try and go so you can become their 10th player.

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    And this Cardinal fan (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:11:45 AM EST
    thanks you for your help.

    But please, don't do too much because I don't want to face you folks in the post season.

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    I still don't really see Trump (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:57:15 AM EST
    Wanting to be president.  Sure, there's power, but it's only a salary of $400,000, plus he'd have to divest himself of all his businesses.  He'd have so many rules he'd have to follow, and it's not like Congress will do his bidding.  He'd be so restrained as president.

    I think he started this as a stunt, and it's taken off, so he's rolling with it.

    What I can TOTALLY see is him winning the nomination and at the convention, instead of giving an acceptance speech (after the roll call, of course), he just walks up to the podium and says he declines the nomination, and says he's had the entire process filmed and it will soon air as the world's greatest reality show - "How millions of Republican voters got duped".  Seriously, I can see this.  He's not above highlighting the mockery that choosing a president has become.

    I sometimes think that too. (none / 0) (#13)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:28:30 AM EST
    Like come on, the classy wall thing, he can't be serious.  But then I remember he was a big birthed guy, so maybe he's serious?

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    That should say birther. (none / 0) (#14)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:28:57 AM EST


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    Not was (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:38:42 PM EST
    IS a big birthed guy.   Watch the clip I just posted at the bottom of this thread.

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    Social (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:06:27 AM EST
    media is all abuzz about the guy sitting behind Jake Tapper. Maybe when you have insane people on stage yammering the person behind the moderator is more interesting than the candidates themselves.

    Idnitified... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:13:17 AM EST
    ...and it would seem the 'hot' subject of men.  LINK

    I think the dude looks a little creepy, but that is going on screenshots.

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    yeah, I was going to say, if that is what passes (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:45:55 AM EST
    for hot in a GOP audience, I am glad I'm a Democrat.

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    I follwed the debate on Twitter. (none / 0) (#15)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:32:15 AM EST
    I jokingly said I was surprised none of them wanted Thatcher on the ten dollar bill, and then someone told me Jeb actually suggested that!  Lol.  You couldn't make this stuff up.

    I also have to laugh that a centerpiece for the frontrunner is a totally fictional fantasy about building a really big wall along our southern border. I'm mean, this literally will never happen no matter who wins.  It's pure fiction.  How can this Party be taken seriously?

    That's the (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:56:34 AM EST
    sad part the press or at least some on the press take these jokers seriously.

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    the sadder part (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:02:09 AM EST
    is that the voting public does too.

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    An old friend who is an attorney (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:24:44 PM EST
    Just shot me a message out of the blue. He does this every four yrs. But this year it read "Vote Rand Paul". I typed back WTF? Then he proceeds to tell me Hillary is going to jail. And he's an attorney, a defense attorney. I ask for what and he just takes off, words all over the screen, but he never did clearly spit out exactly what she would be charged with and make his case. All I could think to myself was Ga6th is going to want to know the ranking of the law school you graduated from....ha ha ha ha

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    Not going to lie (none / 0) (#53)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:27:16 PM EST
    I'd say something like 5% of my support for Hillary is directly attributable to Schadenfreude.

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    They just stoke the fire :) (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:50:35 PM EST


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    Sounds like your old friend has taken to ... (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:03:23 PM EST
    ... sniffing airplane glue.

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    I think he always has Donald (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:20:40 PM EST
    I just didn't know it way back when. The internet opened up new worlds. Reading legalese from BTD, PeterG, Adam B, I realized something. I uhhh..I didn't really know any great lawyers...bahahaha. I only knew lawyers who graduated from what Ga6th calls low ranking schools :) At least I was usually arguing with them. They just seemed so wrong, and from the looks of things they usually were :)

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    Yep, he'd put Margaret Thatcher on the $10 bill. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:32:23 AM EST
    Oh, yeah, and his brother Dubya kept the country safe, too.

    While everyone is entitled to their occasionally stupid moments, Jeb! has thoroughly abused that privilege. All this, of course, simply begs the question:

    Are George H.W. and Barbara actually first cousins?

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    Jeb came off... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:44:03 AM EST
    just as dim as his brother, but without the aw-shucks goofy charm of his brother. A Nixon 1960 performance with makeup.

    Jeb's Sugar Daddies have got to be fuming...he was the worst debate performer on the stage by a wide margin.

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    Yes, Jeb!'s high point (none / 0) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:28:14 PM EST
    was when he stood on his tip toes standing next to Trump for the photo ensemble.  His 6'3'' Bushframe was not enough to be sure that he towered above it all.  Later claimed it was just to spot Columba in the audience.

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    Lucy... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:12:33 PM EST
    your state has some splaining to do.  How did he get elected Gov?  Were there no debates for Jeb to sh*t his drawers during?  Or could it be the need for Depends is a positive for Florida voters since so many can relate?  

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    Well, at one time (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:45:29 PM EST
    Floridians had the good sense to reject John E. Bush (he used his last name then)  for governor when he lost in 1994 to Lawton Chiles.  A great disappointment, it has been said, to the Bush clan since it was Jeb, the smart one, who was to run for president rather than the dumb older brother.   Jeb persisted and got elected governor next time around, in 1998.  And, the rest is bad history.  

    As for an explanation, guess Jeb just wore the poor citizens down.  But, then how does that explain the next guy?  Rick Scott.  A guy who got rich and used his $millions, gained from overseeing the largest Medicare fraud in the nation's history, to win, twice, as a right wing governor.  This in a state with a Medicare demographic. . It is a puzzlement.  

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    Jeb won in Florida (none / 0) (#90)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:14:49 PM EST
    because the dems allowed Charlie and Alex along with somebody named Meeks (who I think the Clintons support) to try and beat him.

    I am not Scott fan and am outraged over what he did (along with the cabinet) allowing big sugar to continue destroying what is left of the aquifer.

    But Charlie makes my skin crawl.  Both Sink and Meeks as candidates for governor are fighting above their weight class.

    Jeb won because the dems brought a knife to a gun fight.

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    You are (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:34:40 PM EST
    way mixing your decades here.

    Jeb defeated Buddy MacKay in 1998 and Bill McBride in 2002 (he does good against the Scots I guess).

    As to your mandatory Clinton swipe, McBride defeated noted Clintonite Janet Reno in the primary.

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    My bad (none / 0) (#113)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:12:52 PM EST
    I was trying to bash Scott who beat Charlie and Alex.

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    Meeks (none / 0) (#114)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:15:45 PM EST
    was blamed, not sure if it was legit, for some blacks not voting for the dems because they thought he got the short end of the stick and Clinton did support him.  I doubt it would have allowed a dem to win against Scott in any case but I do know dems who think the Clintons could have done more.

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    My favorite response for (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:14:48 PM EST
    the $10 bill ($20 bill for Cruz), was Rosa Parks.   After spending a goodly portion of the previous three hours at the Reagan Basilica lambasting Planned Parenthood, they name Rosa Parks, a supporter and member of the Board of Planned Parenthood.   Disappointed in Huckabee picking his wife rather than Kim Davis.

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    Rosa Parks was just code for Kim Dixon (none / 0) (#157)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:47:14 AM EST
    You know to them the two are equal.

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    masslib, you are too sane to have (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:27:10 PM EST
    followed Ann Coulter's twitter feed...but apparently she lost her S***.

    It's like she has never seen a GOP debate before - showing support for Israel at every opportunity is standard fare.

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    Come On... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:43:01 PM EST
    ...that is some funny S.

    Coulter Tweet:

    How to get applause from GOP donors: 1) Pledge to start a war 2) Talk about job creators 3) Denounce abortion 4) Cite Reagan 5) Cite Israel.

    She just basically busted out every republican strategy since Reagan.

    Plus I miss the days when Republicans hated Jews.

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    they don't hate Jews (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:20:47 PM EST
    they just believe in a Supreme Being who hates Jews..and Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and..

    Didn't Coulter once say the Jews "need to be perfected"?

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    But They Used to... (none / 0) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:42:04 PM EST
    ...now only the fringe groups do.

    I don't actually miss those days, just dislike the 'joined at the waist' love some have for Israeli politics.  Namely the ones that effect the US.

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    I'm skeptical of all this avowed "love" (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:48:16 PM EST
    I think they'll keep loving them as long as they STAY thousands of miles away in Israel - to fulfill the Lord's purpose - and don't try to move into the neighborhood..

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    Yes, they love Israeli Jews (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:42:18 PM EST
    but not so much Jews and their lives, concerns, causes, etc., here.

    I read a fascinating analysis of the Republican love of Israel, and it's because of the party's takeover by evangelicals -- who see our country's mission as the new Crusades, preserving the Holy Land from the Infidel Other Semites (aka Arabs).

    The Jews in this country serve that sacred purpose if they donate to Israel.  Beyond that, in this view of the world, Jews are not needed nor need be heeded.

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    She got over 2,000 retweets (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:32:05 PM EST
    Simply for F-bombing Jews. Her most retweeted tirade comment.  Why? I don't get it. She didn't say anything more significant than any other tweet in that mess, just F-bombed an ethnicity.

    Ann, lecturing on what is required to gain knee jerk applause out of Republicans.

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    Incredibly (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:09:39 AM EST
    proud of Germany these days, and how they're handling the migrant crisis.  Especially after the whole Greece fiasco.  They really seem to be embracing their role and going full steam ahead.

    I think they are in a unique position in that they also do need these people the same way that the people need them.  But I just love that they are putting a win-win face/attitude on the entire moment.

    That is Odd... (none / 0) (#22)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:19:30 AM EST
    ...considering I keep reading that everyone is closing their borders, including Germany.

    The German government has announced that the country is closing its border with Austria and also suspending train traffic to and from its southern neighbor, the route by which tens of thousands of refugees have entered Germany in recent days. Those borders have been open for nearly 20 years under the Schengen Agreement, which turned most of the European Union into one large free-travel zone with no internal border checks. Until now, you could go from Berlin to Amsterdam or Paris much like you were going from New York to DC. Along with the euro, the Schengen zone is considered one of the European Union's most important achievements, a powerful symbol of European unity as a well as a major booster of trade and tourism. All of that now hangs in the balance as the refugee crisis strains internal EU politics.

    What a nightmare for refugees.  Lester Holt has been on the TV talking interviewing refugees and it's so heartbreaking to see people who were more or less the middle class turned into people without homes, without a country.

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    yea I hadn't seen that (none / 0) (#24)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:35:30 AM EST
    Nightmare is right.

    Seems like they are playing hardball with their neighbors and are looking for a more orderly process.

    But people's lives are in the mix.

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    Capt Howdy (none / 0) (#25)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:39:38 AM EST
    The drudgereport poll now shows Carley at 21%.  Your post in the last thread claimed it was at 19%(which it probably was at the time you posted).  Trump is now down by 3% from his 56% to 53%.

    Not trying to bash your post, just noting that the poll is showing real time results.  My take on those results is the Donald seems to be winning going away with more votes than everyone else combined.  Carley is a clear second place and seems to be moving up.  Again this is not a scientific poll and to some extent how early the voters wake up in the morning changes the poll.

    Bottom line the debate seems to have helped Trump, and to a lesser extent Carley.  The rest look like also rans.

    Well, here's the thing... (none / 0) (#37)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:54:16 AM EST
    Am I correct that in order to vote on the drudge report poll, one has to actually go to the drudge report?

    So, the demographic is "people who read the Drudge Report?"

    That tells me all I need to know about its reliability.

    I suppose it's somewhat dispositive if you want to know the answer to the question: what are people who get off on scandal, rumors, tabloid headlines and bright, shiny objects thinking?

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    In Other Words... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:01:39 PM EST
    ...the republican base.

    I think it's a pretty legitimate poll in regards to republican trends, not the numbers, but if Trump is going down at Dredge you can be assured he is going down nationally IMO.

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    Trump was at 56% (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    He is now down to 52%.  Carley went from 18% to 22%.  During this time over 100,000 votes were cast bring the total from 500,000 to over 600,000.

    Not sure I would describe that as Trump losing ground as much as a small adjustment.  Getting a majority of the votes and doubling the closest candidate seems impressive to me.

    It will be interesting to see what more scientific polls reveal.  But I predict little change resulting from the debate.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:47:48 PM EST
    It was probably always going to be Donald and someone else.

    I expected it to be Carly.

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    You are correct (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:39:08 PM EST
    Which was my take at 10:01 last night.

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    Officially10:31 (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:45:08 PM EST

    Oh man (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2015 at 10:31:25 PM EST

    The pundits are all a Twitter about how, oh my god Donakd didn't dominate the debate this is the end for Donald.

    Scuse me, he didn't have to dominate the debate.   It made perfect sense for him to be lower profile.

    IMO he did just what he needed to do.

    Carly did well..



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    Am I the Only One... (none / 0) (#26)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:02:25 AM EST
    ...who has 1001 better things to do than watch the freak show on CNN last night ?

    It's bad enough I had to watch the lowlights on the TV today.  Yeah Fiorina, you were a raging business sucess so long as you don't ask anyone but you, we get it Planned Parenthood is this cycle's bugaboo.

    Jeb, your brother in no way kept this country safe unless we give him a gimme for 9/11, and disregard the hundreds of thousands of dead, wounded, and mentally damaged soldiers in that war that your brother has yet to explain.

    And Trump, who in the hell cares, the man is a child with barely any impulse control, even on a national stage.  The people keeping him on the charts should have have their heads, literally, examined by professionals.

    I watched a pretty cool movie Just Before I Go, then I did some soldering, Ahmed style, and got my quad-copter outfitted with telemetry for the weekend.  Then before I went to bed I watched Freeway: Crack in the System on Netflix.  It's about the king of crack, Rick Ross, and how his connection was working for the CIA to fund the Nicaraguan Contras while flooding LA with cheep cocaine.

    Then I went to bed.

    There are so many (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:08:40 AM EST
    It is pointless to care yet. But they all say the scariest crap, nobody in that car is completely sane. We are afraid to leave them all together in a room unsupervised.

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    In my defense... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13:08 AM EST
    I only tuned in for laughs because the Mets were getting crushed.

    And it sure did do the trick, between the candidates, my bong, and the mockery on the TL Live Blog I was thoroughly entertained.  

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    The golden triangle (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:14:39 AM EST


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    I'd like to send a bill.. (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:28:29 AM EST
    to CNN and the GOP, they made me smoke twice what I normally would on a quiet stay at home Wednesday night.

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    on a related note (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:31:56 AM EST
    I think all of us in liberalish states should give a shout-out to Colorado who gave the "serious people" in the room 200 million reasons to support legalization.

    Honestly I think California and a lot of other places were perfectly content treading water on this one.  But they just changed the math in a serious way, and I suspect a wave will follow.

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    Yesterday was a "tax free" day (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:10:35 PM EST
    No state taxes (still had to pay local) at the dispensary yesterday because they collected more than projected.  Had to refund the excess, so that's how they decided to do it.  

    Let's just say there was some stocking up being done.  

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    Ohio... (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:39:17 AM EST
    ...is voting on it in November as a Constitutional Amendment.

    The Ohio Marijuana Legalization Initiative is an Ohio initiated constitutional amendment on the ballot on November 3, 2015. The measure, upon voter approval, would legalize the medical and personal use of marijuana for persons who are 21 years of age or older. The use of medical marijuana would require a doctor's note. A recreational user of marijuana would be permitted to possess one ounce of the drug or less. Someone choosing to grow marijuana at home for personal use would be permitted to grow four flowering plants at a given time with a cultivation license.


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    It was enough to make you (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:29:53 AM EST
    want to throw up smoke.

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    Speaking of fire breathers... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:58:49 PM EST
    It was close, but I think Fiorina beat Cruz for fire breather of the night award, by a snout.  Complete with venomous scowl...the base musta loved it.

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    Too bad she's basically a (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:22:29 PM EST
    lying sack of sh!t in a dress, huh?

    On Planned Parenthood:

    Unfortunately, what she said about the tape is untrue. According to Sarah Kliff at Vox, who has watched the entire set of videos, there is no scene like this. (CNN Fact Check claimed the comment was "true but misleading" because the tape has an unrelated and out of context flash of a scene like this which was edited in after the fact by the videographers. That's what would normally be called "false" or more precisely "a hoax".) But it doesn't matter. The folks in the audience loved it and judging by the Twitter commentary so did conservatives.

    In general:

    Her comments on immigration were likewise factually challenged as was her tedious, mind-numbing list of alleged accomplishments as CEO of Hewlett Packard. (She's been repeatedly fact checked on this and just keeps on saying it anyway.) She didn't go into it last night, but in previous interviews her comments on climate change were wrong in every way.

    And as an illustration of just how fundamentally dishonest she is, even her own personal story is exaggerated. She often says she started out as a secretary and rose to become the first woman CEO of a Fortune 500 company. It's true that she once did clerical work, but it was in summers during college and for a brief time between dropping out of law school and starting business school. After she got her MBA she joined a management training program at AT& T where she climbed the ladder. It takes nothing away from her accomplishment, which is very impressive, to point out that the image she paints of a plucky gal from the typing pool raising herself up by her bootstraps isn't exactly how it happened.

    Finally:

    Fiorina is worth over $50 million and didn't bother to pay the debts from her losing 2010 Senate campaign until she decided to run for president. (One of her former aides said "I'd rather go to Iraq than work for Carly Fiorina again.")   So considering her very loose relationship with the truth, her failed record as a businesswoman which left thousands of people's lives in ruins and her cavalier attitude about paying her debts, it's awfully ironic that the lines she delivers with the most righteous passion are harsh criticisms of Hillary Clinton's honesty and trustworthiness. That's something else she has in common with Trump -- chutzpah.


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    Lies... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:31:35 PM EST
    are more flammable than truth.

    WATCH THE VIDEOS! lol

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    Sorry about that kdog, (none / 0) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 11:51:28 AM EST
    I'm actually more of a Mets fan than a Marlins fan.  But you know I'm really a Yankees fan since I dated phil Rizzuto's daughter for 40 years.

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    Holy Cow... (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:28:23 PM EST


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    That's what she said, right fishcamp? ;) (none / 0) (#159)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:53:40 AM EST


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    And it's the Yanks... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:55:13 PM EST
    on deck for the Mets starting Friday night...big series for the faltering Wankees.  It would be extra sweet to stick it to 'em while getting the Magic Number down.

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    Cubs won again last night. (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:13:44 PM EST
    They took 3 out of 4 against the Pirates. Tomorrow they start a 3 game stand against the Cardinals.

    I don't know that the Cubs can push the Cardinals out of first place in the division, but I love that Joe Maddon insists that is exactly what they intend to do. I do think the Cubbies can overtake the Pirates for the top wild card slot and home field advantage in that game.

    This season has made me a very happy Cubs fan.

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    I forgot how exciting... (none / 0) (#194)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18:28 PM EST
    September baseball can be!

    Mets v Cubbies NLCS is a real possibility...who woulda thunk it in April.

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    If I had reached for (none / 0) (#59)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:14:21 PM EST
    the substance usually associated with a bong, it would have raised my awareness.

    It was scary enough watching that spectacle straight.

    If I had watched it with a heightened awareness, I think I would have flipped out.

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    topic #1 worth discussion: the man in OK (none / 0) (#41)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:39:55 PM EST
    The execution of the man in OK has been delayed.

    Does anyone wish to offer thoughts on his guilt or innocence?

    It looks like there is enough to doubt the conviction.

    Would not change my opinion about (none / 0) (#105)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:31:14 PM EST
    killing him.

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    topic #2, the cheerleaders in La Cueva (none / 0) (#42)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 12:42:30 PM EST
    The school district in La Cueva is cracking down
    on cheerleaders wearing their cheerleading outfits on Friday . . . and stopping them . . .

    I was in high school in the 70s . . . i don't remember the cheerleaders having disrupted school those days . . .

    I went to Catholic High School... (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:00:26 PM EST
    with no minimum hem length on uniform skirts...everyday was a distraction, but that was my deficiency, not the dress codes;)

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    I also went to Catholic high school (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:49:50 PM EST
    so, as a girl, I was constantly inculcated with the message that I was an Occasion of Sin to you guys.

    You guys were Adam, innocent that he was, while we were Eve, taunting you with our, um, apples. . . .  Even in those goshawful Catholic girls' uniforms, we were Occasions of Sin to you innocent males.

    Darn.  I guess I do miss those days with the crazy nuns and good faddas -- because it has been decades since I have been seen as an Occasion of Sin.  That did have the effect of making me feel sexy as h*ll.

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    I adore you (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:13:31 PM EST
    A group of people I was with recently had this school and distractions conversation. I walked away disappointed. I'm a Buddhist, I am responsible for allowing things to distract me. I guess if you are a Christian around here you get to live like a dog BACON! SQUIRREL! BALL!.....pant pant pant drool  

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    As a man... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 01:19:18 PM EST
    I find it so demeaning.  Don't pin your lack of self-control on the entire gender and then put the burden on women to accommodate your creeper arse...man up!

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    kdog, this was a little before your time, ... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 05:34:01 PM EST
    ... but I'm sure you'll appreciate it nonetheless.

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    Traditionally, going way back, (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 02:42:02 PM EST
    there was quite a bit of segregation of the sexes in Buddhism..

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    I don't know any traditional Buddhists in (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:13:40 PM EST
    The US other than a few monks, but even that path isn't very narrow anymore.

    Everyone has always been responsible for their "attachments" though.

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    I have a friend named Suk though (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:24:14 PM EST
    She is from Korea, raised Busdhist. She is an Evangelical Christian now. She loves it. It freed her from everything that was suffocating about what she was taught as a child and was expected of her. She's so Christian sometimes she's borderline intolerable.

    She asked me when we first met why I would want to belong to a dead faith like Buddhism? Uhhh, no girlfriend, you belong to the dead faith...not me :)

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    What a bunch of frightened babies we are (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 03:58:20 PM EST
    Muslim teen Ahmed Mohamed creates clock, shows teachers, gets arrested

    Been in and out so maybe this has been discussed.   But I just saw the kid.   This is a disgrace

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CST on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:12:39 PM EST
    You'll appreciate this.

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    Here is the Tweet... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:31:22 PM EST
    ...LINK

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    I Think There is Another Side to This Case (2.00 / 1) (#177)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:22:21 AM EST
    According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise.

    Ahmed told WFAA that his English teacher confiscated his case. A few hours later, the student said the principal and school resource officer pulled him out of class and questioned the high school freshman.

    Officers said Ahmed was being "passive aggressive" in his answers to their questions, and didn't have a "reasonable answer" as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with.

    "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school," said James McLellan, Irving Police.

     Link.

    What happens to high school students these days who interrupt class with their ringing cellphones?  It certainly was over the top to put the kid in handcuffs but the reaction of the media, Obama, Zuckerberg and MIT was just as ridiculous.  This was a very crude science project and shows no particular talent except for getting attention.

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    In other news (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by CST on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:35:35 AM EST
    14 year old acts like 14 year old.

    If you don't have a better way of handling a mildly unruly kid than you have no business working in a school.

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    I'm Just Surprised... (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:12:05 PM EST
    ...it took this long for the apologists to show up.

    As mentioned before the charter school was for innovative kids and having gadgets is what they do.

    Man, I would still be in school if disruption is a valid reason for a 3 day suspension.

    I am so glad I am not a kid these days, between social media, mountains of school work, and authoritative overreaction, it's hard to be a kid.

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    Well, give our apologist some credit.. (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18:11 PM EST
    Pamela Geller is claiming the whole incident was a big "set up" to make people like her and her followers look bad.

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    I Guess They... (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:27:27 PM EST
    ...set the cops up to make him write a statement without a guardian or lawyers present as well.

    Those crafty teenage muslims and their 'science' projects...

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    Authorities "passive agressive"... (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:54:10 AM EST
    sounds like a laymen's "scared kid" to me.

    And this is really strange...

    "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school,"

    You didn't attempt to question the juvenile McLellan, you questioned the juvenile, and the juvenile answered the question.  What's the problem other than your department?

    What's it for?  To tell time, have you never heard of a clock McLellan?

    Why did he create it?  Maybe because he can, and you can't McLellan?

    Why did he bring it to school?  What difference does it make, it's a f*cking clock McLellan!

    These clowns are as bad at spin as they are at policing in a civilized manner.

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    Actually, what hapoens (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:39:25 PM EST
    In many / most places if you heir phone goes off, is they get their phone taken from them for the rest of the day and their parents get called.  Not the cops.  And they don't get suspended.

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    What else IS there to say? (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by sj on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:02:15 PM EST
    It was a clock. How is a 14 year old supposed to explain "what it was for" except to say "it's a clock". Everybody should know that a clock is for telling time. Even you. It's not "passive-aggressive" to state  the obvious when the obvious is not being understood.

    Your last paragraph:

    What happens to high school students these days who interrupt class with their ringing cellphones?  It certainly was over the top to put the kid in handcuffs but the reaction of the media, Obama, Zuckerberg and MIT was just as ridiculous.  This was a very crude science project and shows no particular talent except for getting attention.
    Is just standard "blame the victim" fare.

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    I think it's sad, but not necessarily a disgrace. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 04:31:26 PM EST
    It's only a disgrace if you embarrass easily, and Irving, TX Mayor Beth Van Duyne has long since proved herself impervious to shame. She's clearly established the corrosive tone of anti-Muslim bigotry in her community, which likely renders Ahmed's arrest and detention perfectly acceptable to most of her constituents, even as the rest of us saw it as truly cringe-worthy. Thus, she's refused to apologize for the incident, and she'll probably be re-elected if she runs again.

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    I hope that family sues The Hell (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:33:21 AM EST
    Out of that school district, and the super and the three teachers making the complaints that ended up in a kid walked out in cuffs lose their jobs. They suck any way. Unfit to teach anyone. A resident of Irving TX wrote on Facebook, "You guys really thought it could be a bomb, but you didn't evacuate the school?"

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    I Think the Kid Actually Said that to the Press (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:57:28 AM EST
    He is enrolled in another school, and he is going to the White House with free flights from one of the airlines.  He also has open invitation to visit Facebook/Zuckerberg, Google, and any NASA facility.  He has had offers to intern at Reddit and Twitter.

    Keep in mind that the school was a charter school for innovative students.  Really.  They also suspended him for 3 days.

    I think the kid can put this one in the win column.  And you can't blame the school as much as the cops whose duty is to actually determine whether someone is a danger to society.  They did keep his clock and his tablet even though he wasn't charged with jack and they took him to a juvenile detention center.

    One of the arresting officers said that the kid was being passive aggressive towards the police, WTF does that even mean.  A child took swipes at grown men and they didn't like it ?  Never mind that when they questioned him they never called his parents or allowed him to get an attorney.

    If anyone needs suing it's the police.

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    Basically I can blame the (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:36:34 PM EST
    School as much as the cops. No cops would have been in the picture if the school had acted with a drop of sense.

    The cops, once called, acted improperly from start to finish as well.

    Hope the school and the police experience serious repercussions for this shameful experience.

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    He Was Being Disruptive (2.00 / 2) (#182)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:34:19 AM EST
    As the article you linked to clearly shows.  The 3 day suspension was warranted even though the handcuffs weren't.  The least justified conclusion is that a fresh tongued white kid would have been treated differently.

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    No. It doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:02:29 PM EST
    But it does day that he was pulled out of class "after a few hours".

    So tell me, if you suspect someone has a bomb, are you going to "wait a few hours" to deal with it???

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    I Don't Think (2.00 / 2) (#191)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:13:50 PM EST
    they thought he had a bomb.  The English teacher had confiscated it from him.  I think they felt he might have a mock bomb scare joke, that could cause panic, in the works.  The way he was treated, I think, has more to do with Columbine and beyond incidents rather than anti-Muslim sentiment.  

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    I disagree. I think it has (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:20:52 PM EST
    pretty much nothing to do with Columbine and everything to do with the post 9/11 hysteria that continues to infect the nation.

    That he is a brown-skinned Muslim pretty much guaranteed that he would be hauled off in handcuffs regardless of the way he answered the police questions.

    You can continue to try to blame all of this overreaction on Ahmed, but you would be wrong.

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    Columbine... (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:45:12 PM EST
    ...good gravy, there is literally nothing you can't defend is there ?

    At least pretend have something to back that up your ridiculousness other than what you think.  I mean the actual facts here pretty much speak for themselves.  Why you feel the need to step in and defend the defensible is a complete mystery, not really since every post you have made it clear, this was not about race what-so-ever, even though there is a zero percent chance that you could possibly know this.

    Doesn't matter, the kid will rightfully get a huge payday form the cops and maybe the school, via taxpayers, no one will learn any kind of lesson because it's not their cash, and the deluded will continue to insist every racially motivated wrong has nothing to do with race, what-so-ever.

    RickyJim will continue to defend the indefensible and life will go on.  Everyone wins, well except for the hundreds of thousands of minorities who get suspended over complete non-sense who don't get White House invites because the apologist are lined up around the corner to do what they do, which is protect people from being accountable for their actions.

    Good job keeping authoritarians protected from their own actions.

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    A Charter School for gifted children (none / 0) (#165)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:21:09 AM EST
    Where any of the teaching staff is this stupid :) Boggling

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    The lowdown... (none / 0) (#170)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:42:21 AM EST
    ...on STEM schools.

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    Not all STEM schools are charter schools (none / 0) (#174)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:59:27 AM EST
    My son decided to not attend Alabama's STEM school. It's a public school though, not a charter school. It is in Mobile, and the kids that attend live on a campus away from home. It is public though.

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    On a related (Charter) note (none / 0) (#175)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:04:51 AM EST
    I ran across this recently.  It's a teacher's report on working for one of the Virtual Charter schools, i.e., home schoolin' in a box.

    15 Months in Virtual Charter Hell: A Teacher's Tale

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    Here's the thing (none / 0) (#166)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:22:54 AM EST
    This is a STEM school, where the kids have all sorts of kooky gadgets.  I'll even give the English teacher the benefit of the doubt that s/he didn't know what it was and could reasonably think it was something dangerous.  (His engineering's ng teacher TOLD Ahmed not to show it other teachers, lest they get the wrong idea).

    But if you think a student has a bomb, don't you think the next step is to try and evacuate your classroom, and not just send the kid to the principal's office?

    And then the cops, who now admit they knew right away but wasn't a bomb - wasn't there a better way to dral with this?? (Yes, I realize they have to be on guard and prepared, but once they knew it wasn't a bomb, couldn't they have just called his parents??)

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    Chris Hayes (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:37:08 AM EST
    Interviewed the police chief (I think) last night.  You should watch it.

    The never believed it was a bomb.  Which is why they never did any of the things you would do in case of a bomb.  

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    Then why did they put (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:38:36 AM EST
    the kid in handcuffs. That's the part that, IMO, was over the top.

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    There's a part of me that's hoping (none / 0) (#154)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:44:58 AM EST
    none of the teachers/administrators involved are members of the union, unions being so evil and all.

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    Charter School (none / 0) (#164)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:18:03 AM EST


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    Interrogated him alone too I read (none / 0) (#163)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:16:38 AM EST
    On Facebook. I would own those frickers

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    Going to get a lot of coverage (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:23:42 PM EST
    donald trump gets anti muslim questions at tow hall

    Trump (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:26:07 PM EST
    actually handled that as best you can. However it shows you exactly how nuts the GOP base is these days.

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    WHAT? (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:35:42 PM EST
    I don't think we saw the same clip.

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    It seemed (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 07:48:21 PM EST
    to me he didn't even answer the question and brushed it aside.

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    I think Trump is now (none / 0) (#111)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 08:42:10 PM EST
    realize just who it is that he had been pandering too, and it ain't pretty....I agree he tried to avoid the questions....

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    So (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:02:06 AM EST
    For the last 8 years of being the face of birtherism he did not understand who his audience was.    If you say so.

    As for his response, personally I don't think nodding in agreement and saying he will "look into" what seemed to be suggested genocide can be described as "dealing with as well as he could have"

    He tried to avoid further questions because the crowd was becoming increasingly rowdy and unpredictable.  He hightailed it.

    Is it possible Donald because of the bubble he lives in doesn't understand the implications of the movement he created.   I guess it is.  But I ain't buying it.

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    Naw (none / 0) (#127)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:32:21 AM EST
    he knows exactly who he's pandering too. However what I saw in that exchange was that he realizes birtherism is a monster and tried to brush it aside. I mean he handled that question as well as you can for a GOP primary since the party has so many birthers. It's not like any Republican except maybe John McCain is going to stand up to birthers.

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    But (none / 0) (#128)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:33:00 AM EST
    Hillary gave Trump a whack upside the head for that whole exchange. LOL.

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    Exactly... (none / 0) (#133)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:00:21 AM EST
    ...even though I did think there was a WTF moment running through his head for a nano-second.

    I wonder what it was like for him to look into the proverbial mirror and see what we all see nearly every day.

    Does he apologize, no way, but it will be interesting to see how he handles the insane clown posse in the future.  

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    It will indeed (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:19:29 AM EST
    If he actually wants to be president,  or even I expect the republican nominee, a reckoning is coming.
    He will have to separate himself from the guy who asked that question.  And the millions of others like him.

    Is it in him?  Who the f@ck knows.

    But I agree, there was a moment there when he realized that.  Or some part of him did.  

    But it seemed he only had a problem wth the inconvenience of the timing

    "Like we need this as the first question"

    If it helped him he was happy to be birther in chief.  It it helps him to dump on his faithful followers he will be happy to do that.  

    The fact is something like 50+% of the Republican Party agree with that guy.


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    He is Going to Have... (none / 0) (#178)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:22:32 AM EST
    ...to distance himself, from himself ?  

    I would say good luck, but I don't see him reversing all the birther talk, he made bets and offered cash, dispersed an investigation in Hawaii, that isn't stuff Trump is going to walk back on IMO.

    To me birthers and muslims believers are one in the same.  Same people and I would imagine if I looked hard enough I could find something on Trump saying Obama is muslim.

    30 seconds to find THIS:

    "He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate," he explained, suggesting the document could highlight something the president doesn't want voters to see. "Maybe religion. Maybe it says he's a Muslim. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want that. Or he may not have one. I will tell you this: if he wasn't born in this country, it's one of the great scams of all time."

    No way Trump states that he was completely wrong and that his supporters don't know what they are talking about.

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    He and his supporters are all reality-challenged (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:15:10 PM EST
    His newest loudmouth supporter is Ted Nugent, who says:

    Trump alone "is counterpunching effectively" against "the life-threatening dynamic of the Democrat communist battle cry" and accuses Democratic leaders like President Obama and Hillary Clinton of "quoting Marx, Mao, Lenin, Castro and all the other monsters behind tyranny, dictatorships, slavery and the resultant historic ruination of every society this evil scourge has touched."

    Yes, the same Ted Nugent who declared to attendees at the NRA's April 2012 meeting, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

    And yet...Ted ain't dead. Nor is he in jail. He's very much alive, and freely spouting his latest pro-Trumpian nonsense.

    Kim Davis and her cult are no different. Obnoxious, reality-challenged narcissists.

    These people are all cut from the same cloth. They make wild statements, can't substantiate anything, and get all the other wackadoodles to sing their praises.

    Sadly, big media's talking heads rarely confront them on any of it. Lawrence O'Donnell is in the minority. Wouldn't it be great if the next GOP debate moderator asked Trump to either put up or shut up on his Obama birther silliness? Yeah. Not gonna happen.

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    In media news today, MSNBC management ... (none / 0) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 09:58:38 PM EST
    ... is fast approaching us with a hammer in both hands, having announced its plans to start hitting its audience over the head repeatedly on a daily basis until we're knocked completely senseless. Per MSNBC President Phil Griffin comes this priceless tidbit:

    "[O]n Monday, September 28, Chuck Todd's new show will debut at 5pm. MTP Daily will bring the insight and power of Meet the Press to our air every day of the week."

    That's just great. Obviously, Griffin believes that we can never have enough of Chuck Todd's insight and power in our otherwise apparently empty and ignorant lives. Personally, I tend to think of Todd as TV journalism's equivalent of a laxative.

    I need a drink. Vodka and Metamucil, anyone?

    A double please (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:06:05 AM EST
    not sure what's up wth MSNBC.  I used to spend a lot f time there.  It's gotten so the only show I can stomach is Chris Hayes.

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    It's Google News for me, Captain. (none / 0) (#176)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:16:34 AM EST
    I don't watch any of that manipulative tripe from the networks.  If something is blowing up I may turn on CNN, but only in an extreme emergency.

    BTW, were you able to view the Rand Paul pic I posted?  BarnyardBabe said the link didn't work for her.

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    That Ophthalmologist has Some... (none / 0) (#179)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:31:21 AM EST
    ...crazy eyes.

    I go to the Guardian online and on my phone I have the AP News App which is second to none, no BS stories, just straight up news.  The problem is they don't have an online version or I can't find it, THIS is not it.

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    kdog (none / 0) (#118)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 17, 2015 at 10:02:03 PM EST
    just to show it wasn't an anti-Mets Marlins team, tonight they gave you one by knocking off the Nats.

    Magical down to 9

    Good sh*t! (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:07:34 AM EST
    The Fish are really playing well down the stretch, hope Loria doesn't f*ck up another good thing in Miami.  He's one of the few owners that makes Fred Coupon look decent.

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    the most loved man in Seattle contest! (none / 0) (#121)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:45:08 AM EST
    I see that I have recently been nominated in the
    "most beloved man in Seattle" contest by some of the local news media!

    Now, if they would only spend some time reading Supreme court decisions . . .

    Congratulations (5.00 / 3) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:04:00 AM EST
    I am not easily creeped out.

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    And now you know not to ever (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:47:18 AM EST
    click on one of his links again, since chances are he is misrepresenting them in order to pique your curiosity, and then - boom - there you are, in pervy-land, not able to get out fast enough.

    I don't know why this creep feels so much need for attention, but I feel like TL now has its own resident pervert, and in my opinion, it has to stop and he has to go.

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    I always do the touch to show the link thing (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:56:00 AM EST
    Before I follow it.

    Seattle PI, ok.   He's just so proud of the whole thing.  

    The Rosa Parks of "up skirt photography"

    Wev

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    Ohhh... (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:16:04 AM EST
    ....he's got a blog about it, that takes it to the next level, and that isn't not a compliment.

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    Bahahahaha, he tries to make voyeurs (none / 0) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:04:42 AM EST
    Of us all :)

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    No, Nothing Wrong With That... (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:20:48 AM EST
    ...what he does is creep people out on purpose, sexually, and then proceeds to act like it his god given right to do things other people don't want done.  

    I am not down with that.

    He is trolling here to find partners in crime, literally, IMO.

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    Trust me when I tell you he is (5.00 / 5) (#145)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:30:50 AM EST
    totally getting off on all these comments.

    I noticed the other day, he was posting about cheerleaders, and couldn't bring myself to click on anything, because I knew it would be skeevy.

    Pretty sure he probably has a room with walls that are covered with photos no one knew he was taking.

    Ignore him; he'll either go somewhere else to comment, or he'll escalate to the point where Jeralyn will kick him to the curb.

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    We've all clicked on his link once. (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:31:35 AM EST
    There's nothing more we need to know.  IMO, this guy gets off on the invasiveness of his predilections, his posts, and his photographs.

    If a cop or a psychologist were watching his posts or blog or behavior around Green Lake, I suspect they'd voice a stronger opinion.

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    Well (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:45:04 AM EST
    If he is in fact "getting off" on being discussed as a creepy perv, so be it.  I guess.  Nothing to be done about that.

    Otoh and IMO anyone who responds to him with anything but an insult on any subject for any reason is either stupid, deeply misguided or creepy themselves.  And possibly all three.

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    May he find them (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:22:51 AM EST
    And may they get a room.  

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    He won't find the roommate here (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:31:40 AM EST
    The notyetconvicted's preference appears to be middle school girls.

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    Ewwwwwww (none / 0) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:37:20 AM EST
    So gross

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    I Was Thinking More Like... (none / 0) (#149)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:35:47 AM EST
    ...Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.

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    those who kill (none / 0) (#188)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:04:00 PM EST
    Those who kill others without good cause are, I believe, cursed by God.

    I somewhat believe that at the end of most of our lives, we will have life-reviews as you might have heard from near-death experience stories . . .  pointlessly killing others tends to produce a less happy life review later, or so it is reported.

    at my blog, you might also notice the prayer sections, in which I pray or request prayer for the well-being of some victims of crime, for the well-being of SPD and for God to show the right way to those who have been acting poorly.

    I do not pray for a lot of these persons on a regular basis . . . though I do try to pray most days for the leader of North Korea that God show him the right way.

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    It's official, Tom Brady is voting for Trump (none / 0) (#134)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:02:04 AM EST
    Big dumb jock. "I don't know flat pigskin from inflated pork rinds. I don't know the equipment guy who handles that either. I don't know nothing. I trow da ball, I trow da ball. Burp, fart, duhhhh!" (link)

    Just another reason to despise him (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:12:50 AM EST


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    To paraphrase Bear Bryant... (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:12:14 AM EST
    in Forest Gump..."he may be the stupidest son of a b*tch alive, but he sure can throw."

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    Luckiest sumbitch alive... (none / 0) (#173)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:59:21 AM EST
    ...I'd say.

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    luckiest..and can throw (none / 0) (#184)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:36:39 AM EST
    but that's alright, Dareus, Kyle, Mario, Jerry Hughes, and Rex's surreal blitz packages are waiting for his ace on Sunday in Buffalo..

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    Just another solid citizen (none / 0) (#192)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:14:36 PM EST
    using his gun in self defense...of grass cuttings on his car

    GD, That May Explain Jim's Absence (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:24:12 PM EST
    Florida Hospital was bypassed because Horton had been trespassed warned from Florida Hospital in September, 2013, due to verbal threats he made to staff members, telling them he had a gun in his vehicle and they would be sorry if he went to get it.

    I wonder why a person who makes public threats about shooting people, still has a gun ?

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    Carly (none / 0) (#201)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 12:49:25 PM EST
    knows a good deal when she see's it.
    Fiorina's HP Earned Millions From Sales in Iran
    And Reagan and the Israelis sold them wmds (none / 0) (#202)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:01:45 PM EST
    in the Eighties.

    Go figure.

    Okey dokey (none / 0) (#207)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    The cherry on the top of this freakin creepfest is prayer.

    Me, if i was gonna pray for Kim it would be for a better barber.

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