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Sarah Palin May be Secretary of Veteran Affairs

Trump is considering Sarah Palin for Secretary of Veteran Affairs. On Twitter, Palin seems to be open to the job -- or actively seeking it, depending on how one reads her fawning over Trump as Commander in Chief.

Since her biggest claim to fame is that you can see Russia from Alaska (or as Tina Fey translated, she can see Russia from her window) I'm surprised he didn't make her Secretary of State.

What qualifies her for this position? Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.

As the Daily Mail says about Trump's cabinet picks: Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's diving into it

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    It was Tina Fey portraying Palin (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by ding7777 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 06:02:39 PM EST
    who said "And I can see Russia from my house".

    What Palin actually said was: They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska

    Once in a while I actually learn something (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 07:36:09 PM EST
    factual here on TL, and today is one of those days.

    Googled around and you are absolutely correct.

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    here's the full story (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 10:04:15 PM EST
    Same difference (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 11:12:10 AM EST
    Yes, and (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 01:06:44 PM EST
    it is encouraging to find some Republicans appreciate accuracy and truthfulness. New-found sticklers.

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    I'm sure Jeralyn was joking (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 08:17:06 PM EST
    about the window comment, but the Palin hate over the years has been absurd.  People went to the voting booths in 2008 thinking she couldn't find Africa on a map because of internet rumors.  

    I enjoyed the HBO political drama "Game Change" with Julianne Moore as Palin and Ed Harris as John McCain. I thought the film did a decent job of showing Palin as a real person, not the cartoonish Tina Fey version.  

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    Here's a first hand report (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 10:25:28 PM EST
    I wrote for Salon on attending a McCain-Palin rally in Colorado Springs.

    You enjoyed Game Change? It made her out to be deranged and McCain and his campaign beyond incompetent for failing to vet her.

    At the time, historians said she was the least qualified ever-- even more than Spiro Agnew and Dan Quayle. They had no idea Trump would come along.

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    Game Change showed her faults (none / 0) (#22)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 01:03:53 AM EST
    Palin clearly wasn't ready for prime time. That was one of the reasons I voted for Obama.  But the film wasn't a complete hatched job, it portrayed her as a sympathetic character.    

    McCain's choice for Palin was a Hail Mary pass that went incomplete.

    I don't think people care as much about typical qualifications as they used to.  

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    She's not ready for prime time now! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 01:50:57 PM EST
    Her senseless word salad is worse than ever. She seems publicly deranged at times. The last time we watched footage of her we couldn't decide if she was drunk or on drugs.

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    Well (4.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 08:52:15 PM EST
    the Hillary hate sure has been absurd and a lot of people bought into gas lighting and conspiracy theories when it came to her.

    Personally I thought her ideas were bad enough where you didn't need to even talk about her Russia comment.

    Honestly you really have to look hard though to tell the difference between her and Tina Fey.

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    I don't know what to say, except that: (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 05:47:00 PM EST
    (a) Future Clinton supporter Barney Stinson already explained it to future Trump supporter Ted Moseby a few years ago; and
    (b) I'm surprised Trump didn't choose Palin to be his Secretary of the Interior Decorator.

    $arah Palin (none / 0) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 05:58:48 PM EST
    no doubt has a lot of respect for Vets, using their services for injured caribou and other beautiful animals shot from her helicopter.  And, remember, it can always be worse as Trump builds his nest of miscreants--say, Ted Cruz or, as a nod to Newt, the appointment of Callista. And, another plus for Palin is that she knows a lot of high ranking military, such as General Mills.  And, of course, she is likely to stay for only half a term.

    Is There Any Chance That She Will Be Confirmed? (none / 0) (#4)
    by RickyJim on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 06:23:17 PM EST


    Was there any chance that Trump would ... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 07:50:58 PM EST
    ... be elected? Just sayin'.

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    The Difference Is ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by RickyJim on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 09:06:58 PM EST
    Well obviously it won't be by popular vote.  Trump would never have made it if the choosing of electors was not done by popular vote of pledged electors.  Apparently Hamilton and Madison wanted the electors to be chosen by district within the state and these worthies would decide who would be the most qualified to be president.  They did not have to say who they favored ahead of time. I haven't totally absorbed how it evolved to the current pre-pledged, winner take all by state system, which is a complete anathema to what those founders intended.
    According to Hamilton, the electors were to analyze the list of potential presidents and select the best one. He also used the term "deliberate." Hamilton considered a pre-pledged elector to violate the spirit of Article II of the Constitution insofar as such electors could make no "analysis" or "deliberate" concerning the candidates. Madison agreed entirely, saying that when the Constitution was written, all of its authors assumed individual electors would be elected in their districts and it was inconceivable a "general ticket" of electors dictated by a state would supplant the concept.

    The founders assumed that electors would be elected by the citizens of their district and that elector was to be free to analyze and deliberate regarding who is best suited to be president.

    Link

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    I've twice been one of the four Democratic electors here in Hawaii, in 2000 and 2004, having been elected to that position at the State Democratic Convention by my fellow Democratic state delegates. Many electors from both parties are chosen similarly except in Maine and Nebraska, where they are still chosen by congressional district. It's an inherently partisan position, and its one of trust.

    When you cast your ballot for president in your state, you are actually voting for your preferred candidate's slate of electors as designated by that candidate's political party. And yeah, technically, while I wasn't legally bound to my party's candidate in 2000 and 2008 when it came to casting my electoral vote, had I not done so in either instance, well, that would have been the equivalent of my committing political suicide.

    That's why all this talk about trying to convince GOP electors to disregard the decision their state's voters is so much nonsense. The position of party elector is a partisan post. The people who are elected / appointed to it are going to be partisans.

    Thus, for GOP electors to cast their vote for someone else other than Donald Trump on December 19 would be to likely short-circuit their political influence and future prospects for all time, because they would have shown that they're not to be trusted by their fellow Republicans. Given that, you can likely see why that's not going to happen.

    As for what the Founding Father originally intended, well, they originally intended that only white males of land and privilege would be accorded the right to vote. They originally intended that African American slaves would be counted as three-fifths of a human being for purposes of inflating population counts in southern states and increasing the number of electors.

    In a number of states well into the 19th century, electors were chosen by the state legislature, not by a presidential vote. And in many states back in the day, when you cast your ballot for president, you were technically not casting a vote but rather, you were legally participating in a "presidential preference poll." And today, in those states where there is no presidential primary election, the respective party caucuses conduct what are still called "presidential preference polls."

    The Founding Fathers also originally intended that U.S. senators would be chosen by members of state legislatures, rather than by popular vote in their respective states. When Abraham Lincoln and Stephen A. Douglas faced off against one another for their historic series of debates in Illinois back in 1858, what they were actually doing was campaigning for their respective party's slate of state legislative candidates, and not for themselves. Our right to the direct election of U.S. senators by popular vote was gained only with the ratification of the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1913.

    And that latter part is key, because our Founding Fathers also intended that the Constitution not remain static in perpetuity, but be subject to amendment as necessary to maintain relevance, in in accordance to the times in which future generations of people would live.

    Aloha.

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    assuming a write-in candidate wins a state (none / 0) (#24)
    by ding7777 on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 03:12:52 AM EST
    how does s/he get electors?

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    ... and those that do allow it first require a prospective candidate to register accordingly with the state's chief elections officer to signal his or her intent to conduct a write-in campaign.

    (That's what Sen. Lisa Murkowski had to do in Alaska back in 2010 to get re-elected, following her shocking defeat at the hands of a far-right nutball in that year's low-turnout GOP Senate primary.)

    At that point, once approved, that candidate would then have to provide the state with a designated slate of electors, who would be certified by the governor were that candidate to somehow win.

    Otherwise, were you to write in the name of someone who hasn't officially registered with the state as a write-in candidate, as John McCain did by writing in Lindsay Graham on his Arizona ballot, then it will be tallied and recorded as a blank vote.

    Aloha.

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    BS (none / 0) (#30)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 11:07:15 AM EST
    They originally intended that African American slaves would be counted as three-fifths of a human being for purposes of inflating population counts in southern states and increasing the number of electors.

    They were counted as 3/5 rather than a whole human in order to reduce the number of electors from slave states.  If they were counted as whole persons the slave states would have even more electors.

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    The historical record doesn't support ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 03, 2016 at 02:23:06 AM EST
    Abdul: "They were counted as 3/5 rather than a whole human in order to reduce the number of electors from slave states.  If they were counted as whole persons the slave states would have even more electors."

    ... your contention of "BS." In the United States of 1787, African-American slaves were not considered the equal of whites and did not have citizenship. The initial intent of most Founding Fathers from the northern states, where slavery at that time was on the wane, was to not even count them at all.

    The Constitutional Convention in Phliadelphia had initially and unanimously unanimously agreed that representation in the U.S. House of Representatives would be in proportion to the relative state populations. Where they got hung up was in the definition of "population" for purposes of representation and taxation, and whether that included everybody who resided physically in the states -- slave and non-slave alike -- or just actual citizens.

    Because slaves were not citizens and therefore could not vote, delegates from northern states argued that the southern states would enjoy the undue benefit of grossly disproportionate representation in the House and the Electoral College, relative to the actual numbers of free white citizens in that region.

    Delegates opposed to slavery further proposed that only free inhabitants of each state be counted for purposes of legislative apportionment. For their part, delegates supportive of the "peculiar institution" vehemently opposed the proposal, wanting slaves -- who constituted about 40-45% of the south's population -- to count in their actual numbers.

    The so-called "Three-Fifths Compromise," as it was was finally agreed upon, allowed for the counting of "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers, which reduced the representation of the slave states relative to the original proposals, but marked a significant improvement over the initial northern position.

    To induce delegates from southern slave states to accept the compromise, northern delegates agreed to link taxation in the same ratio, so that the resultant tax burden on white citizens in the southern slaveholding states was also much reduced from that which existed in the northern part of the country.

    "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
    - Article I, Section 2, Paragraph 3, The Constitution of the United States

    (Defining "population" for purposes of legislative and congressional redistricting is an argument which we recently had in variations in Hawaii, albeit without the slaves. In 2011 during the redistricting process, that debate centered on our large military / military dependent population on Oahu -- which constitutes 10-15% of the island's numbers -- and whether or not they should be counted for such purposes, since the vast majority of them never register to vote in our state. Our state supreme court ruled in 2013 that we must include them.)

    Aloha.

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    So we are in agreement (none / 0) (#36)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 05, 2016 at 08:01:09 AM EST
    Slaves were not counted as whole persons in order to reduce the political power of the slave states in the House and the electoral college.

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    I had not realized that Tr*mp (none / 0) (#5)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 06:31:39 PM EST
    had a sense of humor. This makes me think that much better of him.

    What qualifies her for the position? (none / 0) (#6)
    by coast on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 06:40:15 PM EST
    What qualifies Trump to be President?

    Qualification mean little in DC.

    The downtown DC Holiday Inn Express is booked solid for the next four years.

    Pretty much (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 07:12:28 PM EST
    nobody Trump is picking is qualified. Apparently the word has gotten out among Republicans to not work for his administration. So Trump is having to troll the dregs to get people to come on board.

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    She broke the glass ceiling (none / 0) (#7)
    by Redbrow on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 06:46:41 PM EST
    To become the first woman governor of Alaska. She was also a mayor, city council member  and commissioner.

    The Alaska window myth is a misquote perpetuated by fake news sites and low-info voters.

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    And she's a quitter (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 09:40:16 PM EST
    She abandoned her constituents in Alaska immediately after she thought she had cooler gigs in the lower 48. Boy she sure has a lot in common with this nation's Veterans. Seriously, in Trump speak how does one become a Veteran? By being a quitter.

    Join the Fun!

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    Sarah Palin (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 10:12:42 PM EST
    As Anonymous says, Never Forgive, Never Forget. Here's the story of Sarah Palin's candidacy from the HBO movie Game Change. Just a travesty. No glass ceiling, just broken glass.

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    Talk about screaming into the abyss (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 07:22:29 PM EST
    We are flummoxed.

    "Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown."

    Palin's Russia comments (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 30, 2016 at 10:00:43 PM EST
    In September of 2008, ABC's Charlie Gibson posed this question:

    "What insight into Russian actions, particularly during the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?"

    "They're our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

    Sarah Palin had never seen Russia from any island in Alaska. CNN reporter Gary Tuchman traveled there to find out.

    What can be seen from an island in Alaska called  Little Diomede, that has a population of 150 Alaskans and no TV, is the Russian Island of Big Diomede, which sits about 25 miles from the Russian Siberian mainland.

    To get over her gaffe, she compounded it during an interview with Katie Couric:

    Couric: "You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?"

    Palin:  "That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia..."

    Couric: "Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials?"

    Palin: "Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of . . . . It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send out those to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia..."



    I knew what she meant when she made (none / 0) (#23)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 01:41:09 AM EST
    the comment.  I've known about the short distance between the two Islands ever since Lynne Cox was able to swim from one to the other in 1987.

    I was in Alaska a few years before that, visiting family. Beautiful country but there's no way I could live there.  Too depressing in the winter.... wouldn't be able to sleep during the summer.  

    One moment that stands out from my trip was getting a few feet away from an iceberg when two moose swam right next to our boat.  They were just crossing a fairly lengthy stretch of water like it was no big deal.  It probably happens every day but it was very strange seeing two moose heads sticking out of the water like that.  

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    i love (none / 0) (#29)
    by linea on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 08:14:13 PM EST
    her regional accent. it's pretty.

    of course, i disagree with her on most of her stated policy positions.

    is the secretary of veterans affairs a position that actually requires executive management experience? aren't some of these cabinet positions simply leadership roles to implement a vision?

    i believe she is sincere when she voices concern for veterans issues such as ptsd and i feel it would be better to have a civilian as the secretary rather than a former military officer. i dont feel military officers are sympathetic or progressive on issues.

    is?

    linea people from the west coast (none / 0) (#31)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 02:44:36 PM EST
    of the U S A have no accent at all.  Some cowboys like to talk like they have movie like western accents, but speaking with them alone you will find they have no accent.  Then there's the valley girl talk in Southern California, but that's more of a colloquialism.  Some people in northern Washington state do often speak with a slight Canadian accent, which is already very slight.  Accents are not recognized until you are east of Colorado.  Sara Palin may have a slight Russian accent...ha.

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    Like, ohmigawd! Like, totally! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 03, 2016 at 03:10:50 AM EST
    fishcamp: "Then there's the valley girl talk in Southern California, but that's more of a colloquialism."

    I mean, it's like, I dunno, y'know, but no way we have a collowhatever. But it's not like, oh, we're just total space cadets, y'know, 'cause everybody out here's, like, so nice an' really bitchen! I mean, like, hello? I'm from the totally cool part of Reseda, it's not like I'm from Burbank next to the airport, that would be so gross -- like, barf me out, gag me with a spoon! It's just a totally different head here, but not where people are, like, totally freaking out so no biggie! I mean, like, I am so sure. Totally.

    ;-D

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    Palin does sound a tad like (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 03:31:22 PM EST
    Marge Gunderson from Fargo at times..

    I don't know where that comes from. Maybe her family has roots going back to that part of the country. I'm not interested enough to research it.

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    That is not a West Coaster (none / 0) (#33)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 09:26:41 PM EST
    That's an Idaho accent.  Her Alaska town was founded by folks from Idaho.

    My mother was born in Idaho.  Then was raised a bit west . . . but only across the border, to eastern Washington. I know that Idaho/eastern Washington accent well.  Every time that one of my aunts calls, it's like listening to Palin -- but speaking in complete sentences.

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    Long "Os" (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Mon Dec 05, 2016 at 02:00:54 PM EST
     In the phrase, "You know," the "O" gets pretty long for Native Californians to my ear.

    SNL did a send up called "The Californians."  Funny as can be.   The obsession with traffic, (no, Jim, you don't know sheet about traffic times here), and the longish speech patterns.

    But, not Palinesque at all.    

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    VA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 05, 2016 at 08:06:02 AM EST
    Palin could hardly do worse than the unaccountable zerk fittings mismanaging the place now.

    Give vets a "Veticare"  card good at anywhere Medicare is accepted.

    Medicare (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 05, 2016 at 08:07:29 AM EST
    is going to be eliminated and replaced by coupons.

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    Bet? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 05, 2016 at 01:08:52 PM EST