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Houston Republican Debate: Will Sparks Fly?

Trump vs Cruz vs Rubio at the debate in Houston tonight on CNN.

If sparks fly, can we expect John Kasich to hug it out and fix things for everyone? [More...]

I spent way too much time deciding which version of Sparks Will Fly to use for this post. The alternative choice was Oakland, 1994:

Here's a thread for tonight's debate.

Update: Barbara Bush looked the same as always. George Bush, Sr looked very scary. Did he have a stroke? I don't remember reading that. This isn't a criticism, I was just taken aback. Maybe it was just the contrast between his head and body on the one hand and his expression, which seemed quite alert and present, on the other. Sad.

Wolf Blitzer is moderating -- also on deck is a blogger/radio host named Hugh Hewitt, who is presented as a former Reagan official for six years. I'm sure he was, but that sure was a long time ago.

Donald Trump looks like a turtle from the side.

Marco Rubio came out attacking Trump for charging $38k for Trump University tuition for a phony degree and a photo op with a cardboard cutout of Trump, and for hiring undocumented polish workers.

Ted Cruz made an interesting point, that people assume Hispanics are liberal. He and Rubio are both of Cuban descent. Cuban Americans have historically leaned Republican, but that may be changing somewhat.

Trump made Cruz out to be a loner that couldn't work with Republicans in Congress. He basically agreed.

The Telemundo debate questioner said a new Telemundo poll show 3 of 4 Hispanics don't like him. He said doesn't believe anything Telemundo says. He insists Hispanics love him. He says he's going to bring in Democrats and Independents to the Republican party, and that he is building a new bigger and stronger Republican party. She tells him it's not just Telemundo, the Washington Post poll says 80% of Hispanics have a negative view of him.

Trump makes sure to mention he and Univision settled their lawsuit and they're all very happy. Univision is now "good people."

Ted Cruz will nominate justices who uphold the Bill of Rights. Does he know there's more to the Bill of Rights than the First and Second Amendments? The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the rights of the citizen accused. Religious liberty is a small portion of it.

Marco Rubio says we need an originalist like Scalia. He says the Constitution is not a living, breathing document. (How original of him.)

Trump says Planned Parenthood has helped million of women, but he would defund it because of the abortion issue.

Ben Carson just answered a question. I forgot he was even in the debate, he's been so quiet.

I think CNN asked questions based on the candidates' poll numbers. Trump and Rubio got the most questions. Then Cruz. Kasich got much fewer and Carson got almost none.

Trump says he's self-funding his campaign. Trump made very little sense on health care. Dana Bash called him on it. Rubio kept asking him where's his plan? He only talks about removing "lines around the states?" which will result in competition and "that will be a beautiful thing." Rubio attacks him for repeating himself. The audience loved it, I'm not sure why. Trump then got testy with Dana Bash and I heard audible boos in the audience. John Kasich is the only one who sounded like he knew what he was talking about (I don't know enough about to know if his plan was good, I'm just saying he sounds knowledgeable on the topic.

Carson: Health care is not a right. Pretty amazing, coming from a physician. He didn't make sense to me -- again, I'm just talking about whether I understood him, not whether he's right or wrong.

Cruz will repeal every word of Obama Care. Trump actually agreed with Cruz. Cruz then accused Trump of supporting Government paid for health care for everyone. Trump denies that but says will not let people die on the sidewalks if he's President. That's not the same as saying the Government will provide health care to everyone.

Kasich is back to "I've done it in Ohio." Ohio, Ohio, Ohio, enough already. You're running for President, not Governor. I tune out every time he says "Ohio" just like with Martin O'Malley who kept repeating "Maryland."

Trump gets nasty with Hugh Hewitt, complaining that Hewitt's questions are all directed to him. He tells him his radio show has lousy ratings. That was really unnecessary and to Hewitt's credit, he didn't respond.

Trump says he hasn't released his tax return because he's audited every year and he's under audit now. He says you can learn more from his hundred page financial disclosure statement.

Rubio says he's not being audited this year and wasn't last year. Cruz says Trump will lose to Hillary in November.

This debate isn't really sparks flying, it's candidates sniping at each other. Cruz just picked up the Trump University lawsuit. Trump then responds with insults to Cruz. He adds for the fifth or sixth time (Rubio is right, he repeats himself) that he's being audited for the 12th year. He says it's because his company is very large. He repeats his company is very large. He has a very large company.

This debate is taking forever. Wolf just said they're going to take a break and have many more issues to cover. Really? How is that possible? I'm bored by these Republican clowns (and by Kasich, who's not a clown, but stuck in Ohio) and done with this debate.

Not quite done. After them all claiming to be Israel's BFF, Kasich showed off his knowledge on North Korea. Carson then played the underdog card, saying he didn't get asked about taxes or Israel. Wolf told him to go ahead and talk now. He told a story about being unfairly audited. He said he's an honest person but the IRS is not honest and needs to be abolished. People clapped. I felt a little sorry for him because he was right, he has been ignored. He's such a mild-mannered guy. He asks, "Could somebody attack me please?" I laughed out loud. (Sorry Ben, you seem very nice, but there's nothing presidential about you.)

Trump says we'd be better off now if Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were still in charge. He then calls Rubio a "choke artist" and Cruz a "liar."

Rubio doesn't understand the Apple issue. He's also wrong when he says it's only one phone (See my post here about the motion Apple filed the other day in the Eastern District of New York.) Kasich says it's Obama's fault because he didn't personally hold meetings with Apple to hammer out an agreement. (Kasich of course adds that's what he did as Governor.) That might be the silliest thing he said all night.

It's finally over. Shorter version: The scariest, looniest and most dangerous candidate is Ted Cruz. The most under-qualified is Mark Rubio. I'm not sure why Ben Carson is in the race. Trump is in love with Trump and the Trump brand, not America. Kasich is the only one who wouldn't be a disaster, and could be effective in November, but he's not exciting enough to get out the vote and he needs to stop talking about Ohio.

Trump was interviewed after the debate. He tore into Rubio as "pouring down sweat" a few times and said someone who sweats so much shouldn't be President, the President might have meet with the leader of North Korea and can't be seen sweating like that. He called Rubio a "choke artist" again. He denied repeating himself. He said the debate wasn't fair to Carson and Kasich, they didn't get enough questions, and they should have because they made it to the final five. He mentions he went to very good colleges and got very good grades. He touts his Christianity.

Everyone should hope Kasich, the only non- extremist, non-blowhard running, resists calls to drop out of the race. I think Carson and Cruz will be the next two to go.

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    We got to hear Wolf (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:02:51 PM EST
    Say f'ing

    Hate to say it... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:39:25 PM EST
    but Trump just killed the insurance companies Bernie style. Be ready Hillary!

    Just heard Hillary on the radio (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:29:35 PM EST
    in a campaign event giving it to the insurance companies, in the context of criticizing the GOP candidates, saying repealing the ACA, which they all pledge to do, buts everyone back at the mercy of the insurance companies without the ACA regs on preexisiting conditions, insuraing college age folks on their parents policies, etc.

    I don't really worry about her holding her own in a health care debate v Trump.

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    Agree, ruffian (none / 0) (#76)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:46:11 PM EST
    For starters, there are just-made-for-the-ads clips showing Trump saying very different things about healthcare.  (BTW, the Trump's repeat about "doing away with the lines around the states" thing was long sought BY the very large insurance companies as a way to get around state authorities and operate with even less controls, etc. Look at the old argument as a canard.)

    What I relished about last night are the ready-made advertisements for the Democrats all the way around.  Where the candidates for--get this--the highest office in the land are all shouting, spouting, talking at the same time (accompanied by background screams) should really appeal to the majority of American voters who seek resolutions, performance with the big issues, and a working government ... NOT.  I'm hoping we avoid the anger trap of the Repubs ...and, there is every reason to be confident that we can.

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    I Would Call That More... (none / 0) (#81)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 04:18:32 PM EST
    ... the whole broken clock thing being right, occasionally.  No one is going to win the election because of health care, especially so son after ACA.  And I don't buy for a minute that Trumps plan will be Medicare expansion, it will be some buffoonery that will somehow net him a piece of the pie.

    Funny to read HRC going after insurance and being at their mercy considering they are still in the game and maybe the rules changed, but their bottom lines haven't, meaning they are figuring out ways to screw people.  That is what they do and they are damn good at keeping one step ahead of politicians.

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    I declare the winner: (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM EST
    Ben Carson. He offered not only the quiet of his fruit salad metaphor,or whatever that was, but also, got his nap in despite the noise from the tag team of Cruz, Rubio and Trump. Although, he did go into too deep a sleep, requiring not only that his one big question be repeated, but that Wolf use it in a sentence.  That usually helps.

    The rest get Little League participation awards: Rubio was on the attack, not a comfortable position for him, even less so with that backdoor thing of Apple v FBI. His sweat rolled down his face profusely, although, fortunately, none of it carried his black Lady Clairol.  Cruz demanded to counter Trump's lie with his own lying. A lot of smirking. An additional award for insincerity and being smarmy.

     Nothing for Puerto Rico, says Rubio in staccato; a liberal governor is at he helm.  Free-market Kas-itch (as Trump calls him) wants to resolve Apple's dispute with the government by locking Tim Cooke up in a room until he says Uncle Sam.  It works, he does it all the time in, yes, you guessed it---Ohio.

    Trump responded to those pesky, missing details of his plans with diverting insults.  Rubio is a choke artist, we need someone who does not sweat, or have whatever it is he has. He sweats like a hooker in church. Not beautiful like his wall. Cruz, of course, was bad to Carson in Iowa, and getting worse. A liar, a liar. (a repeat for emphasis). No income tax filings from Trump, besides they give no information about anything. And, he gets audited all the time by IRS because of religion---he is such a devout Christian.  

    Good attacks by Rubio and Cruz, but must never have heard the expression, a day late a dollar short.  

    Come to think of it, I take it back.  The real winner was George HW Bush. No longer able to jump out of an airplane, needed assistance to raise his hand, and not a very good president, but he out did those on the stage. Maybe we should try a Bush again, Daddy Bush.

    keysdan, loved your analysis (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 12:50:06 AM EST
    thanks for posting it.

    Parent
    keysdan: Good take ... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 12:48:35 PM EST
    I'd quibble a bit about the winner.  The real winner may well be the Democratic Party in the fall.  Yes, my refrain often ... but, should the delegate leader (Trump) either gain the nomination outright or cause a contested convention, it is an incredible gift--a concession--at long last from the Repubs to us.  My built-in assumption, of course, is that this increasingly contentious Repub course isn't designed to keep their usual voters together nor is it designed to get out the callers and party workers.  

    The Repubs game for this go-round is very likely to result in Donald Trump as their nominee.  And, from my pov, the only real question is how this overdue fracturing of the Repubs will reconstitute itself ... some time down the road.

    Two personal takes of mine: (1) It was a comedy-of-the-puppets that played out in the nyah-nyah-nyah debate last night ... especially deserved was the name-calling they finally let loose on each other (rather than the public)...snotty bullies all, they are not quite used to receiving the demagogue routine from each other.  (2) When Lindsay Graham openly says that his party "has gone bat-s##t crazy" and that it's leading contender is a "nut" job, the reconstruction is going to be daunting for the lot.

     

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    Thanks, yes (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 05:37:20 PM EST
    the Republican debate was entertaining and good theater, spoiled on occasion by a fact or policy by Kasich.  However, the Republican debate as political discourse and potential governance was not only theater of the absurd, but also, incredibly frightening. My wonderment is why Mrs. Clinton  (or Senator Sanders) are not ahead by 70 points.  Scary.

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    Isn't that obvious? (none / 0) (#89)
    by CoralGables on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 09:17:08 PM EST
    We're a country that voted for George W.


    Parent
    I tried hard (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:40:59 AM EST
    But drifted off when they started talking about the national debt.

    My favorite parts were when they were all yelling at the same time.  There was a lot of those.

    Parent

    Marco may have (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 09:16:18 AM EST
    Tainted his VP chances last night.
    8-/
    But not necessarily.

    Parent
    Meanwhile (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by lilburro on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:53:18 AM EST
    Hillary stopped in at a Charlie Wilson concert, which is as good a reason to vote for her as any.

    Her dancing needs a little work, but as long as "Outstanding" is on, I think the rest of us can have that covered: https://youtu.be/g2Y-jWcPplM

    whoops (none / 0) (#32)
    by lilburro on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:53:46 AM EST
    no auto-link: video here.

    Parent
    This is funny: (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 02:09:46 AM EST
    "Tonight we saw another spirited debate between the most diverse and well-qualified group of presidential candidates in history." -- Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee


    Let me fix that (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 07:11:52 AM EST
    "Tonight we saw another spirited debate between the rotting fruit salad of life that makes up the presidential candidates of the Republican Party."

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    That is Why He Gets Paid the Big Bucks... (none / 0) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:17:20 AM EST
    ... no other human being could say that with a straight face.

    Parent
    U can't make this sh*t up (none / 0) (#61)
    by pitachips on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:06:51 AM EST
    If Cruz (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 06:51:06 AM EST
    and Rubio had one half a brain between the two of them they would have known that firms like Trump's routinely have outside audit firms come in and review everything before it is sent off to the IRS. Also if they had any brains they could have made a point about asking about Trump's previous years audited tax returns. Only those two bozos could manage to make Trump look like a genius.

    "President Archie Bunker" (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:19:36 AM EST
    Last night I had a strange but vivid dream that Archie Bunker had just been elected president. He had brought along all of his racist, misogynistic, antisemitic, and homophobic thoughts and mannerisms.

    Now, keep in mind that ... show creator Norman Lear originally intended that Bunker be strongly disliked by audiences

    It didn't work: Archie Bunker was hugely beloved by viewers and was even voted TV's #1 character in 2005

    -Cathy O'Neill

    Trump is getting (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:36:00 AM EST
    enough delegates to win, just in time.  The stamping of feet by the normal twins, ab and sub, will not cause the souffle to fall in just one night. Or, all the nights up to the Republican convention.  But, confections like Trump, can't withstand sustained pokes. He should be ready for devouring by Mrs. Clinton--I am sure the campaign will be studying these debates, especially the one last night, with more intensity than a football coach.

    One of the amazing things (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:45:26 AM EST
    I've heard this morning for the first time is that none of the republican campaigns has ever bothered to do oppo research on Donald.  Apparently they thought he would drop out and start a reality show, or something.
    But incredibly none had done any oppo research until very very recently.

    The democrats, it's said, have been doing it for months.  I think you are on to something..  

    I think it's to late for this to stop Donald in the primary.   Maybe not but they let him get up a head  of steam.

    But the treasure trove of ammo must be making democratic ad makers slide off their seats.  The mind literally boggles.

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    I sure hope (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CST on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:49:38 AM EST
    you're right about that.

    This whole thing is making me very nervous.

    There was an article today with the headline "Trump defends planned parenthood" - or something to that effect.  Of course in the next breath he also said he'd defund it because of abortions - but that wasn't what made the headline.

    I feel like the entire country is taking crazy pills.

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    That's actually not precisely what he said (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:02:19 AM EST
    More than once and in the debate last night he said he would defund "the abortion part" of PP but the the rest did important work.

    That's actually worse.  For us.   And it's not just this issue.  He is finding several areas to work.    
    In the last debate he defended PP,  said SS and Medicare would never be touched and gutted the last republican president with charges that if proven would be treason.

    Donald is not a conservative.   Republicans in the south know this.   And they know he's not a Christian.   Bloomberg just confirmed it.

    Donald will not run a typical republican campaign.

    And one thing
    This stuff about "all his supporters are ignorant racists"
    That's just wrong.    And not in the moral sense, thiugh it probably is, but it is factually incorrect.

    They are not.  This is just a fact and if we are going to deal with the Trump phenom we need to understand it.   The polls show they are not all.  And I have said before I personally know lifelong liberals, extreme liberals, who with Donald.  They are not racists.  They are not ignorant.   They are every bit as good a person and their opinions are just as valid as anyone who frequents this blog.

    Donald has racist followers.  They are not all racists.  And they are not all ignorant.

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    My recollection of Trump's (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:18:00 AM EST
    statement was that he would defund Planned Parenthood because of the abortion part.  Not just the abortion part. This link also reports it.

     "I wouldn't fund it, I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3%.  I don't know what the percentage is. They say its 3%, but I would defund it because I'm pro-life.  But, millions are helped by Planned Parenthood."  

    Of course, his mixed message is deliberate, including the interpretation.  I don't know why, because whatever he says he can deny later if it suits him, without a problem.

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    Here's the thing (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:37:33 AM EST
    I think we have to stop thinking rationally.  

    Here's a frightening fact.   Lots of people who support Donald don't believe a word he says.   Their argument is no one has any idea what he would do as president because at some point in his life he has advocated every possible position on every imaginable subject.

    Whatever happens after he is inaugurated will, inarguable they say, not be business as usual.  The thing is,  that's hard to argue.

    IMO it would be best to not underestimate how many share this view.

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    Yes, rationality (none / 0) (#66)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 12:03:53 PM EST
    has no place attempting to understand The Trump Phenomena.  But, Trump knows who supports him and has a long memory. My thinking is that we need to take Trump at his word: he is basically running as, Romney might say, a strict conservative.

     Evangelicals seem to flock to him, because both espouse reactionary conservatism. And, the bible talk is their cover for their conservative, political ideology. Hence, Trump's serial marriages and exploits are OK with them.  And, it is no surprise to them to learn that a real estate developer lies.  All is well, so long as they believe he will try to do what he says he will do.

    A mistake, in my view, is to consider him a Rorschach ink blot test. He is running as conservative. But, he is not committed to the failed conservative policies held dear by the establishment.  In that respect, he is novel. He says  what many of his followers believe (Iraq war folly), but he must be against Obamacare since its demonizing by the Republican Establishment's high rollers who have to pay more taxes has been rooted (although he knows the pre-existing conditions part is popular so he will keep that).  And, he will not stray far from xenophobia, racism and other fears of white people. He will owe his followers at least that much.

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    Yes, he will owe for his Act (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 05:21:18 PM EST
    Let us pin him into that Act as soon as possible for the General.  Since he is already setting transition areas where he can slide over to a more moderate position, Dems need to pin him where his Conservative Crazy routine is now; and, then, pummel him hard as soon as the conventions are over in late July; continue that aggressive pounding, via PACs and broader avenues, through the summer to set in stone that primary race characterization.  Clearly, a fast-paced full offense should be employed to put him on the defense from the outset.  A nice touch to add: The Dem Team should work now to find the key vulnerability that defines him ... i.e., the pithy character slay ala Trump.

    Parent
    that's the debate last night (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:18:19 AM EST
    BTW - I assume you already know that the "abortion" part of Planned Parenthood is already not funded by the feds.  And he has said multiple times he would defund Planned Parenthood over abortion despite the good things it does.  Not just the abortion part.  I have no doubt he may try to pivot on that, but that's not what he's saying now.

    And I know that they aren't all racists, but they are all willing to support a candidate who wants to apply religious tests to admission into this country and is more than willing to make disparaging remarks about all kinds of people - the disabled, mexicans, etc...  not to mention, he doesn't seem to care a whit about due process, is pro-torture, and he thinks waterboarding didn't go far enough.

    No, not all Donald supporters are racist, not by a long shot, but he sure is number one with racists for a reason.

    I've been saying for a long time that people are angry, and angry for very good reasons, and if we don't do something drastic to fix the situation we're screwed, and this is exactly what I meant.  So I get it, believe me.  But we can't let them take the narrative that he's a secret liberal, because it's a false narrative, and it's a dangerous narrative.

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    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:32:36 AM EST
    Absolutely yes.   Not minimizing the threat.  Optimizing it.

    Last paragraph

    Woohoo

    I do it on FB every day.  To the extent I can.   What I am honestly finding is that it is surprisingly easy to "lure" especially young people away from Hillary.

    Just sayin.   This is what I see.  

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    I'm glad that young people (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:31:15 PM EST
    underperform in terms of voting--14 to 17 percent so far IF the gullibility level is that high, Capt.  Unfortunately, large gatherings & hoopla & all that shines new as a panacea can be a siren call for groups that are first-timers at anything as well as for designated demographic groups who are in the throes of anger.  We all know that demagogues and/or very astute cultural personalities thrive on group dynamics ... we all know the dynamics of hysteria.

    I do believe, tho, that the younger vote--especially 29 to 40--can be transferred, in large part, at the conclusion of the Democratic primary in the event that HRC gains the nomination, IF .... The conditional "if" is added because it is dependent on the anticipated persuasion and grace of Sanders in that situation.  And, there is no reason to doubt that Senator Sanders will be as persuasive for the Democratic Party as HRC was following her primary loss in 2008.  Another transformer with that demographic would also be Senator Warren, obviously.

    Last night's debate is a forceful example of the enmity that typically follows a really split, divided political party.  The Repub kind of split, which was displayed hours ago, usually cannot be healed when it occurs months before the general election. That is reason enough for me to smile this a.m.

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    I hope the Republican Party (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:38:16 PM EST
    Is split.   I think it is defeated .

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    Agree, Capt. (none / 0) (#80)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 02:10:28 PM EST
    But he's a buffoon, immensely subject to ridicule (none / 0) (#67)
    by Trickster on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 12:11:37 PM EST
    Endless ridicule is one thing no candidate can stand.  No other candidate is nearly as ridiculous as Trump.

    He's a casual liar, too.  Not comparable to other pols in that regard - he doesn't spin, he just outright says whatever he wants.

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    Paradox (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 12:23:02 PM EST
    noun
    a statement or proposition that, despite sound (or apparently sound) reasoning from acceptable premises, leads to a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory.


    Parent
    Yes, he strongly (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 11:02:02 AM EST
    supported Planned Parenthood. He noted all the great health care provided for such things as cancer--and only about (he hears) about 3 percent of their revenue is devoted to the dreaded abortion stuff.  97 percent good, 3 percent bad. But, for Trump, in sotto voce, he, therefore, would de-fund Planned Parenthood.

    Parent
    Every time (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:53:08 AM EST
    you think they can't be any stupider they prove you wrong it seems. Look at all the money they wasted trying to help out Bernie.

    Parent
    it's not wasted money (none / 0) (#57)
    by CST on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:53:50 AM EST
    because they weren't really trying to help Bernie.

    Parent
    The hits Trump took last night... (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:52:53 AM EST
    would have sank anybody else...but I don't know what it is, he just smirks and tosses a return volley insult and keeps skating along.

    I mean they called him out on hiring undocumented workers, cutting checks to Jimmy Carter, being besties with Hillary Clinton, making his Trump brand crap in China & Mexico, and going bankrupt 4 times...just to name a few.  What will it take to end this madness?  An act of god?

    Parent

    Matt Taibbi just did (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by NYShooter on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:59:06 PM EST
    the most masterful take-down of The Donald phenomenon, and, the Media's leadership in making him invincible. If you decide to read his article in Rolling Stone, "Morning Blow: How Joe and Mika Became Trump's Lapdogs," LINK, make sure you wear a pair of rubber underwear; He nails the problem so perfectly, and so (tragically) hilariously, your body will convulse involuntarily, and you may have an accident.

    An example:
    ==========

    "The embarrassing part starts when Brzezinski compliments Trump on his campaign stagecraft. She comments that it was a "wow" moment when Trump invited onstage two meatheads who tossed a protester from one of his South Carolina events.

    A side note: The vigorous physical expulsion of loser-protesters has become a predictable scene at Trump events. Every time I've seen it in person, it's freaked me out -- it's like a window into some future WWE-style dissident-beheading ritual -- but Mika apparently thought the video of the South Carolina incident was inspiring.

    "You know what I thought was kind of a wow moment, was the guy you brought up on stage," Mika says.

    "We played it several times this morning!" adds a breathless Scarborough.

    An approving Trump here verbally extends his ring to be kissed. "I watched your show this morning," he says. "You have me almost as a legendary figure, I like that."

    If any politician ever said that to me, I would eat a cyanide capsule on the spot. Mika and Joe both seemed undisturbed."
    ============
    I rest my case.


    Like I said the other day, (none / 0) (#78)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 02:01:45 PM EST
    all that's left is for Trump to select his Albert Speer.

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    Like the Other Day... (none / 0) (#83)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 04:23:13 PM EST
    ... I don't get it, Trump already has grand buildings with his name plastered all over them, he probably has a team of Speers on the payroll.

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    A slight correction, if I may...... (none / 0) (#90)
    by NYShooter on Sat Feb 27, 2016 at 12:28:44 AM EST
    Trump already has [his name plastered all over them.] However, the "grand buildings" belong to someone else.

    Thus, Trump may need a team of Calligraphers, but, certainly not a "team of Spears."

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    Simply Noting That Trump... (none / 0) (#91)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 29, 2016 at 09:47:07 AM EST
    ... has architects on the payroll and yes, I would imagine the bank and partners are owners as well, but certainly Trump owns some portion of them.

    Example I

    Example II

    Most superior to anything Speers ever designed.

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    waiting (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 06:37:55 PM EST
    on Howdy to narrate. I have to get work done so I can't watch.

    Is this a baseball game or a debate? (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:37:05 PM EST


    I think I just got an ad (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:39:31 PM EST
    For a push poll.  

    The National Anthem... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:39:48 PM EST
    It looks like a police line up of the usual suspects on stage.

     Off to a good comedic start!

    Ma (none / 0) (#5)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:43:25 PM EST
    an Pa Bush in the presidential box, maybe she will pull out her shooting iron and plug Trump.

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    Omg (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:43:45 PM EST
    Sonofamailman

    He Delivers! (none / 0) (#87)
    by ruffian on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:05:04 PM EST
    "Process"... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:49:21 PM EST
    Dude has got a process. We're gonna win. Big difference. Trust him.

    Marco Roboto... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:54:48 PM EST
    running his Trump Attack matrix on hiring undocumented workers.

    It's on!

    Just saw my first Rubio ad on tv (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by ruffian on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:03:29 PM EST
    here in FL, by one of the PACs. It is an attack ad on Trump, and omg is it ugly. They have one picture of him that looks like Capt Kangaroo befuddled on foreign policy.

    This is going to be funny. Gentleman, I give you one of the worls's foremost political parties. Feast your eyes.

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    Cruz piles on... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 07:56:32 PM EST
    Dishwasher Conspiracy!

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    Cruz (none / 0) (#10)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:01:15 PM EST
    did pretty good with his 'I welcome their hatred' comeback on Trump's nobody likes you taunt.

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    Trump got him right back.. (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:06:25 PM EST
    Citi and Goldman loans undisclosed.

    12 billion if I build a wall...these guys 200 billion.

    Nasty tonight...this is perverse entertainment.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:06:22 PM EST
    I won most of the lawsuits

    Marco is skipping (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:11:57 PM EST
    Again

    His hard drive... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:16:04 PM EST
    is definitely running hot.

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    I am so old (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:17:09 PM EST
    I remember when Kasich was considered a conservative.

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    I remember (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:21:01 PM EST
    that too. When he was part of Newt's Revolution. He seemed to fade into the background after a while though. He was called the "hatchet man" for the budget.

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    He seems to take credit (none / 0) (#21)
    by sallywally on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:24:37 PM EST
    for the Clinton balanced budgets/surplus.

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    Now he's trying... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:43:38 PM EST
    to sound like a half reasonable adult. Dumb move Kasich, dumb move.

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    IN a normal year (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    He coukd have been a threat

    Ha

    ONLY DEMOCRATS DONT WANT TO LET PEOPLE DIE IN THE STREET!!!!

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    I lasted until 9:15 (none / 0) (#18)
    by CoralGables on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:23:24 PM EST
    A GOP record for me.

    Switch to WWE... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:24:26 PM EST
    oh wait, same thing.

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    I don't know how he does it... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:23:29 PM EST
    Forget John Gotti...Trump is the Teflon Don.

    Still laughing about (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:26:12 PM EST
    "I won MOST of the lawsuits"

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    "Gimme a break"... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:33:19 PM EST
    Ya know if I didn't think it mattered at least a little, I'd vote for the guy just for laughs.

    If Trump wins the presidency, the Dems better get Marc Maron to run. Or Tom Smothers.  Betty White.

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    Teflon with the Repub mob (none / 0) (#79)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 02:03:59 PM EST
    Trump as candidate--and, now, likely nominee--is the candidate that the Republicans built.  He has their number; and, he spews their stuff.  So, it doesn't matter what he says to the crowd that created him.

    The interesting question: Will the Repub angry core combine with the so-called Independent crowd--the apolitical and sometimes cynically angry bunch that sometimes vote and sometimes doesn't--to produce a possible win in November? While the odds for that combo increase today, there are reasons to doubt that coming-together.  For one, the Repub nominee has to have a floor number of his own party ... and the shattering that is going on right now may be more likely to bring about a "sitting it out" crowd in more ways than one.  For two, the idea of the vast angry crowd in the American populace rising up may be as overstated as the old "silent moral majority" was in its day ... as the economy continues its improvement path, people historically revert to voting the pocketbook and the stay-the-course and the stability.

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    People got jobs... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 08:59:30 PM EST
    sometimes 2 or 3. Jobs jobs jobs.

    What they don't have is money.

    And that's Kasich, the sane one, son of a mailman. He's so old he remembers when a mailman made a decent family raising wage, and has been out of touch ever since.

    Trump sounds reasonable (none / 0) (#28)
    by pitachips on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 09:27:55 PM EST
    On Israeli Palestinian issue, I respect him for not engaging in the "who is the most pro Israel" back and forth.

    A transcript of the debate (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 04:41:24 AM EST
    With three talking simultaneously (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 07:09:25 AM EST
    is it a three-dimensional transcript? If not it loses context.

    And how would you add the input of the audience shrieker into a transcript that almost drowns out the candidate speaking?

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    I don't know. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 09:32:33 AM EST
    I didn't read the transcript either.

    What gets laughed at in this thread is all I'll ever know about this debate.

    Did I miss anything?

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    No (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:00:56 AM EST
    I'm skipping the next one.  (He says now)

    About the screamer, I noticed it last night but watching the clips this morning, omg.

    How would you like to be sitting in front of the screamer.

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    Willard won! (none / 0) (#38)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:13:48 AM EST
    The Cuban Abbott and Costello finally decided to attack the one who is in first. They used all the public domain information that's been around for awhile. These are the attacks they should have launched six months ago. But you gotta start somewhere. Mr. Roboto had a nice zinger on repeating.

    More surprising, and something I would not have suspected, is the one Republican who showed that he understands that character of this race right now is none other than Willard Mitt Romney. He knows you need to try to out circus the circus. He may not have fully achieved that. But at least he got a significant amount of time in the center ring. He made an attack on Trump on releasing his taxes. An area he knew he was vulnerable, knowing Trump would attack back. A war on Twitter ensured. It carried into the debate. Trump gave some bad answers on the issue. He's not releasing his taxes because he's being audited?!? Hmmm ... okkeeey. And the fight continues today.

    I don't think this issue is a big winner. It's used in elections all the time. And it rarely draws much blood. But it puts Trump on the back foot on at least one issue for more than a day. No one has done that for awhile ... if ever. And it showed that there's at least one Republican who knows how to disrupt the Trump narrative. One Republican who knew you need to out circus the circus. Which means you may have to risk looking like fool yourself. That's something Trump is never afraid to do. And Mitters showed he isn't either. Biggest surprise of the day. Now more Republicans must follow suit.

    Who'd have thunk it?  Mitt finally won a debate.

    ;)


    I noticed (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:18:26 AM EST
    that too. The only conclusion I get from that is since Romney is not running he can needle and pick at Trump without getting any blow back from Trump voters. The other ones are afraid of Trump's voters.

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    I'm just surprised ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:24:42 AM EST
    Mitters figured out something the rest seemed to have missed.

    Races change. And politicians have to adjust. This is something Hillary Clinton understands. But few of the Republicans seem to.

    Right now the only strategy that can work on the Republican side is to out circus the circus. But that Willard saw that and executed on it still amazes me.

    Especially that he understood part of the game was picking something that would cause ridicule to resound on himself.

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    I figured (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:38:04 AM EST
    Mitt was sent out to take one for the team so to speak. Say what you will about him but he's light years ahead of the current GOP field. Kind of strange to be saying that also.

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    In honor of ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:46:01 AM EST
    Willard's return this.

    And as that Willard said to his boss, this Willard might now saw to the American public:

    "You made me hate myself. Well, I like myself now."

    ;)

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    Lindsey Graham (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 09:07:44 AM EST
    "If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the senate, and the trial was in the senate, no one would convict you"

    This is the kind (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:40:15 AM EST
    of thing that Lindsey is actually good at--standing there and saying stuff. LOL.

    So Trump can shoot anybody and it would be okay with his followers and somebody could shoot Cruz and nobody would convict the shooter. And these are the people who think everybody should have guns? Sheesh.

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    The Republican Party as (none / 0) (#70)
    by christinep on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:11:57 PM EST
    ...angry mob.  Orchestrated on reality TV.  

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    He's Also Backing Trump... (none / 0) (#50)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 10:25:18 AM EST
    ... ironically.

    After mentioning that he failed and the guy he backed, Bush, also failed.  Then went on to say "I am the Dr Kavorkian of the republican primary" then proceeded to don a 'Make America Great, Again' ballcap.

    Rather Funny.


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    "Which is better... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 01:19:18 PM EST
    ...to have law and rescue, or hunting and breaking things up?"

    - Piggy, Lord of the Flies

    A Plaque on a statue in New York Harbor, 2021... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 04:21:15 PM EST
    Vote Trump you losers, you clowns,
    You racist masses, yearning to loathe free,
    You wretched watchers of reality tv,
    Vote for a winner, loaded to the gills, like me,
    Now where's that fired dummy with my White House key?


    Please remember name-calling and (none / 0) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 26, 2016 at 08:35:36 PM EST
    personal attacks and potentially libelous comments are not allowed here. You may not call anyone a racist. I just deleted a comment that attached that label to all of Trumps' supporters.