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    I voted! (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:11:30 AM EST
    1st ballot cast in my precinct in VA this morning!

    Awesome! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:52:01 AM EST
    I am going today. The campaign sent me an email letting me know where my precinct is which is great because Georgia has moved it before like in 2008.

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    Well that's two for Sanders... (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:44:22 AM EST
    maybe he can pull off an upset in VA & GA after all!

    (Super Tuesday Gallows Humor, forgive me ladies;)

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    As a betting man (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:11:46 AM EST
    you may like the odds.

    Last week Sanders was 3-1 to win the Dem nomination. If you have some confidence, today you can get 14-1.

    On the flip side, last week just before SC you could get 1-5 on Hillary. Today at multiple sites she's 1-33.

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    My precinct moves almost every year (none / 0) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:25:40 AM EST
    so that's one of the reasons I mail in vote.  Also I don't have all the Republicans I know glaring at me.  As if that's going to help them.

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    How Clinton's, Sanders' political lives began (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:05:24 AM EST
    in Chicago, suburbs...

    A glimpse into the rivals' lives in the 1960s lends an early look into the candidates they would later become -- Sanders, a rumpled student activist, was using a megaphone to rail against the University of Chicago establishment around the same time Clinton was emerging as a civic-minded perfectionist who participated in a dizzying array of clubs and activities at a new Maine South High School in Park Ridge.


    Voted in MA this morning. (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by dk on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:57:07 AM EST
    Exciting.  Not too often that we have close elections up here.

    Just voted in MA (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Coral on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:33:42 AM EST
    Fascinating family discussion last night (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 09:23:20 AM EST
    via Google Hangout with our 3 grown daughters (ages 25-33) and two sons-in-law in the same age range. Not a conservative or Republican among them, happy to say. An open-minded, thoughtful and mostly undecided group, as between HRC and BS, with the usual pros and cons pointed out of going one way or the other at this point in the process. We tried mostly to listen rather than to interject. Two of the kids will be caucusing this evening in Colorado (Denver).

    Just got back (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:51:17 AM EST
    from voting. I really couldn't say if it was busy or not because there have been times when I had to wait in line but it took almost no time to vote today.

    Apparently Ted Cruz thinks there is gold to be mined in GA or at least in my congressional district. The roads are covered with his signs and I even got a phone call today from his campaign.

    ABC News just called Georgia and (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 06:03:32 PM EST
    Virginia for Clinton and Vermont for Sanders. They based this on exit polls.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 06:06:48 PM EST
    Casey. I figured Hillary had a big lead here but VA too!

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    Endorsements after Super Tuesday (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Angel on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 11:02:37 AM EST
    When Trump starts pulling in the mainstream GOP endorsements, that's when you know the GOP no longer has a moral compass. I do have to say that watching this unfold has been enthralling yet extremely frightening and disconcerting.

    Nothing to worry about (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by pitachips on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 12:00:50 PM EST
    He has no chance. His campaign is a media creation, the head of CBS admitted as much.

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    The Republican's moral (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 12:58:57 PM EST
    compass was lost, I think, between the Teddy Roosevelt and William Howard Taft Administrations.  Perhaps, briefly recovered for a time by Everett Dirksen (R. IL).

     Paul Ryan was upset with that David Duke/KKK stuff, but also, made it clear that he would support the party's nominee.  And, of course, Ryan's number #3 in the House is Steve Scalise (R. LA), who once claimed he was David Duke without the baggage, which may have meant, the white sheets.  And, of course, Trump's family values Evangelicals have been unmasked as a political ideology, first and foremost.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 12:03:57 PM EST
    is supposed to be winning here in GA. With the GA GOP finally own up to what they have been doing for years or will they still try to run and hide after a Trump win? I really do not know what will happen.

    That means Deal will urge his backers to rally behind the four former and current governors who supported his bids in 2010 and 2014: Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, Chris Christie of New Jersey, Jeb Bush of Florida and Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.

    The above was from this past summer and as far as I can find Deal has not endorsed a candidate currently running. I guess if I was a candidate I wouldn't want Deal's endorsement considering that the four he endorsed so far have been big time failures in the GOP primary with Jindal not even lasting until voting took place.

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    Il Duce redux. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 12:03:13 PM EST
    Roger Cohen, NYT columnist in London, warns of the dangers of Trump to our democracy. "Trump is a man repeatedly underestimated by the very elites who made Trumpism possible.  He's smarter than most of his belittlers and quicker on his feet, which makes him only more dangerous.  ...It is not the specific with Trump, its a feeling, a vibration and no matter how much he dissembles, reveals himself a thug, traffics in contradictions, the raptness persists."  
    Der Spiegel, the German weekly, claims Trump is a great danger to democracy to the point of waxing nostalgic for GW Bush, which is like finding a soft spot for Dracula.

    Not much that TL commenters have not been saying for months and months, but maybe the fun is over, and the seriousness of not only Trump, but the other clown car survivors will be taken for the danger that they are.  Democrats have a challenge to their strategies, how to deal with a cultish demagogue whose followers are gripped with fear and despair.

    Last week, the Ku Klux Klan ... (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 02:11:49 PM EST
    ... publicly announced that it was going to hold an anti-immigration rally on Saturday, Feb. 27 at Pearson Park in Anaheim, CA. And for the better part of the week, the Los Angeles Times played that rally up on its front pages and website, interviewing numerous community leaders who professed shock and outrage over the Klan's decision. Meanwhile, the local SoCal TV media also made it the lead story in their newscasts, interviewing the same concerned citizens over the KKK's pending appearance in Anaheim.

    Therefore, it shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that when the 25 or so KKK members showed up at Pearson Park last Saturday, they were greeted by both a woefully undersized police presence and a very hostile crowd estimated to be several hundred strong.

    Those dumba$$ed white supremacists barely had time to unfurl their Confederate battle flags and break out the bullhorns, before they were set upon and physically attacked by the mob, while the few police officers who were immediately present tried ineffectually to separate the two groups ex post facto.

    In the ensuing melee, three people were stabbed by Klansmen who were likely acting in self-defense, and most of the KKKers were very badly roughed up by their assailants. Ironically, a number of them were saved by -- of all people -- a Jewish rabbi, who bravely placed himself between the cowering Klansmen and the mob and shamed at least some of them into ceasing their violent assault, before hustling the poor schmucks away to the safety of police officers who were tardily responding to reports of the fracas.

    This morning, the LA Times published a rather astonishing editorial, in which the writers scolded the counter-protesters in Anaheim for failing to simply ignore the KKK rally, apparently oblivious to the fact that the newspaper itself had spent nearly the entire week publicizing the event:

    "It's unfortunate that the counter-protesters, who outnumbered the Klansmen many times, only served to legitimize the group by physically attacking it. One can imagine that if everyone had ignored this 'rally,' the Klansmen (and women) would have exercised their 1st Amendment right to spout hate, gotten bored with the lack of outraged response, then left with nothing to show for their deliberate attempt to stir up trouble."

    My point in bringing up both this sorry but otherwise unrelated incident, and the obtuse LA Times editorial it prompted, is this -- the media can't have it both ways.

    For nearly eight months last year, our media friends on the eastern seaboard gave veritable shiploads of free publicity to Donald Trump and his candidacy, treating its garish spectacle as some vicarious form of public entertainment, rather than bothering themselves to do what is ostensibly their jobs, and really delve into the frightening substance of what Trump was actually saying publicly while out on the stump. In doing so, they goaded the ignorant and disaffected masses into joining him.

    Much like the LA Times editorialists today, who are hypocritically lamenting the unfortunate brawl with the KKK at Pearson Park which their own gratuitous coverage of the Klan all last week had likely rendered inevitable, it's really a little late in the day for Roger Cohen, the New York Times, et al., to start upbraiding voters for flocking to a dangerously divisive candidate, an egomanial demagogue whom media had heretofore spent a great deal of time and effort assiduously -- to steal CaptHowdy's crude but appropriate term -- "fluffing."

    Aloha.

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    Well... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 03:27:04 PM EST
    ... the fact that a protester is wanted, and on the lamb, for stabbing a KKK member it would seem that they were armed.  As revolting as the Klan is, they should be able to protest/march without worrying that the police won't protect them.  They asked for police protection and it was denied.

    I don't like this place we are going where some people get to enjoy the right to assemble and others are viewed as troublemakers when they want to do the same thing.  We have seen enough people this past year get treated very poorly when all they want to do is walk and maybe carry a sign in public with others.

    As vile as the Klan is, when we start acting like they shouldn't march/protest we end up with roped off areas to exercise rights and and the media/police treating people they disagree with, with the same indignation.

    In this case, the police and the anti-protesters were clearly in the wrong.  And now instead of a group of idiots walking down the street, the KKK has become national victims.  Great for recruiting.

    The good news, a bunch of videos, so no he/she said silliness and the guilty parties will be punished and I would assume, sued.

    Seven protesters remain in jail and no Klansmen.  A 65 year old man was stomped for nothing more than what be believes in.  That is not right, nor is it American.

    Brian Levin, Directs the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino:

    Levin, who went to Pearson Park expecting to record the rally for research, found himself protecting the Klansmen until police could intervene. On a video Levin shot and posted to Twitter, he later asked one of them, "How do you feel that a Jewish person helped save your life today?"

    "I thank you. I thank you," said the Klansman, waving away the question with his blood-spattered arm.

     LINK

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    It was an appalling and shameful day. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:03:21 PM EST
    You're absolutely right that nobody in this country deserves to be physically assaulted, for no other reason than the exercise of their constitutional right to free speech and peaceful assembly.

    And you're further correct that we should all be disturbed and even alarmed by what happened in Anaheim on Saturday, because it is a harbinger of a very dark and sinister road upon which we should not be traveling. Decades worth of the GOP's scorched-earth politics of endless confrontation is now taking a serious toll by bringing out the very worst in all of us.

    My point was that the SoCal media blatantly exploited the public appearance of a truly vile and despicable -- but otherwise very much marginalized -- right-wing organization, for no other purpose than increased ratings and circulation.

    They goaded members of the community into responding with public expressions of outrage and contempt, and duly recorded and reported it. And then, they disingenuously expressed shock and dismay at the resultant altercation, which took place thanks in no small part to their own provocations, regardless of whether or not their pre-brawl coverage was ever intended as such.

    And in that regard, the SoCal media mirror their east coast counterparts, who are presently in a lather over the fact that a particular candidate, whose presence they had previously sought to exploit for crassly commercial reasons, has found a lot of political traction as a direct result of all that earlier fawning coverage.

    In both instances, the media can't now just step away and start finding fault with others for a thoroughly distasteful and potentially disastrous situation which they themselves played a huge role in creating. They've long since forfeited their standing to do so.

    Aloha.

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    An excellent analysis, (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 03:20:49 PM EST
    and I agree that it is a little late.  Too, late, of course, for the Republican Establishment, since it is highly unlikely that  anyone but Trump will be their nominee.

     Aside from Trump's fervent and fevered followers, there is ample time to counter the demagoguery. It is starting late, but it is starting. The challenge for Democrats and thinking people everywhere is to learn how to effectively address the Trump phenomenon. How to keep the fear and despair of the Trump followers from becoming infectious. The circus has moved on. The election for president Of the USA is upon us.

     In my view, Mrs. Clinton will need to continue to draw contrasts with Trump on the basis of  data, facts and policies that address the range of issues confronting America. Of course, any and all of this is missing in Trump. Replacing Obamacare with "something terrific," will soon no longer do. Moreover, the strategy needs to draw attention to experience, temperament, and confidence for a presidential presence and the responsibility associated with the nuclear button.

     And, the need to show that Trump really must be taken at his word: he means what he says, and will try to do what he says. Not an easy task, since he traffics in contradictions. Don't let him get away without specifics or let him get away with cavalier talk of war crimes and genocide.

     Of course, ridicule is good, and he has thin skin. The calculus needs to include the inevitable Trumpian response. Clever and witty, but not Rubio teenage boy crude, obviously. Just a media ratings draw to a sane candidacy.  So, better left to  surrogates, but not President Clinton.  His presence and statesmanlike advocacy should be his contribution.

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    I keep hearing about all the money (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:05:07 PM EST
    Being spent on political ads in my state.  I have seen exactly one.  The Bernie Sanders fixed economy ad.  I've probably seen it 50 times in the last 48 hours.

    Seen (none / 0) (#61)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:27:21 PM EST
    Bernie's fixed economy ads way too many times(kind of like seeing the same compressed econ 101 lecture, on a loop, boring).

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    Polls (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:48:40 PM EST
    close here in Ga very soon. I don't expect much excitement to come out of Ga tonight.

    I have not mentioned my primary day (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    wardrobe yet. This t shirt was my birthday gift from my brother.  Pretty funny.  I've been wearing it on all of the primary/caucus evenings.  

    Glad to be home from work and settling in to watch results. Hope MSNBC does not drive me crazy before I have had my gin and tonic.

    Awexome (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:00:38 PM EST
    shirt!

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    Brother of the year (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 05, 2016 at 06:44:46 AM EST
    Just voted (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 06:33:10 PM EST
    The lady in front of me was a registered Democrat who was upset she couldn't vote for a Republican and walked out.

    Based on nothing but my own assumptions, and her general grumpy demeaner, she struck me as a Trump supporter.

    The person in front of her was a young woman who hadn't actually registered.

    I think they were grateful that I had registered and was actually voting.

    I'm kind (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:02:01 PM EST
    of surprised to hear that. Maybe Trump voters don't know that MA is a closed primary and that you have to be registered to vote?

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    I doubt (none / 0) (#74)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:05:18 PM EST
    The young woman was a Trump supporter.  Just recently moved.

    The older woman was a registered Dem.  The MA primary isn't really closed, you can be unenrolled and vote in either primary.  She just happened to be registered for the other party.

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    A "low information" voter. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:32:31 PM EST
    I got my niece and I (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 02, 2016 at 10:43:44 AM EST
    Tyrion Lanister 2016 - Making Westeros Great Again!

    shirts.

    Oklahoma (none / 0) (#4)
    by smott on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:19:21 AM EST
    Just took a ridiculous flip for Sanders.
    From 20% chance to 80% nearly overnight, even while SC was happening.

    He is in line for VT, OK, maybe MA.

    Silver (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:32:45 AM EST
    has it 51%/49% Sanders, apparently on the strength of the Monmouth poll.

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    Latest poll I saw yesterday (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:44:59 AM EST
    HRC was up by 11 in MA.

    538 has her with a 92% chance of winning MA based on polls only.

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    First prediction (none / 0) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:56:51 AM EST
    of the day, Clinton wins Mass by 5.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 08:07:25 AM EST
    last poll I saw from OK had Hillary trending up. I guess we shall see.

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    voting after work today (none / 0) (#12)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 09:12:34 AM EST
    Even in 2008 I've never seen lines at my location, I hope that holds tonight.  It probably helps that there's another voting location one block away.

    I predict it's gonna be close here.  Not predicting a winner.

    I'm not predicing either... (none / 0) (#15)
    by dk on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 09:53:28 AM EST
    though I suppose close, in reality, is basically a blow to Bernie, since he probably needs big wins in places like MA to try to catch up in delegates.  

    I'm sure each candidate wants bragging rights, though.  I'm really not sure what's going to happen.  It'll all depend on who turns out, I guess.

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    I feel like (none / 0) (#27)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 11:01:44 AM EST
    Western MA is firm Bernie territory.  Suburban Boston is probably solid Clinton territory despite a lot of it going for Obama in 2008.  Cambridge is probably firm Bernie, although I wouldn't be surprised if Boston goes to Clinton, basically it will be students vs. minorities with everyone else more or less split.

    The real question marks for me is the rest of the state.  What does central MA do?  What about places like Lawrence, Lowell, Fall River, New Bedford, Gloucester?  They were all strong Clinton areas in 2008, but I could see them going either way this year.

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    Western MA (none / 0) (#33)
    by Coral on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 12:13:34 PM EST
    definitely Bernie territory. Student vote is huge. He had big rally at UMass Amherst last week. I am keeping fingers crossed for Hillary for rest of the state.

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    Mass. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Valhalla on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:49:45 PM EST
    I agree about Western Mass except Springfield is a the big spoiler out there.  The city itself has a high minority population and a lot of the communities are pretty working class/former industrial.

    Central Mass around Worcester (where I am) is similar, except the rural communities are NOT like Vermont rural or Western Mass rural.  It was largely Scott Brown territory.  I'm actually more comcerned that Trump may bleed off potential unaffiliated Clinton voters than Sanders.  Clinton's economic messaging really spoke to this area in 2008, but she has not been emphazing that part of her campaign as much up until now.  And people like Trump because of the impression he gives of not being beholden to mealy mouthed politicians, as well as having clear cut, direct solutions to our country's ills.

    I was never much anxious that Central Mass would go for Sanders.  Economically, both Worcester and around Springfield people are not so well off that they can afford to gamble on Sanders' idealist promises.

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    apparently Trump (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 09:24:10 AM EST
    Is going to win MA in a landslide.  The reason?

    "it's different than in other states, because Cruz is not a factor," said Suffolk pollster David Paleologos. "The end result is you've got this big lead, this big landslide lead.""

    The only question left is whether Kasich pulls the number 2 slot out from Rubio.

    Unfortunately, I guess it also makes sense that MA would go for the racist Democrat in the Republican party.  Sigh.

    Kasich (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by dk on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 09:58:57 AM EST
    I'm somewhat surprised that Kasich didn't put more into campaigning in MA.  Seems like given the rest of the field he could have done better than he probably will.  I wonder how much of it was strategy and how much was pure lack of money.

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    I would like to agree with (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:04:16 AM EST
    The conventional wisdom that Marco will drop rather than lose FL.

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    While I'm a dyed in the wool (none / 0) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:07:43 AM EST
    New Yorker, I spent a half dozen years working in Mass/Ct. They were really fun years, what with the obvious, "hatreds" involved.

    I can't tell you how depressed I feel today for  the State I loved to hate going all in for that demented, poor excuse of a human.

    What is the matter with you ?

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    But isn't talking about republicans in MASS (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:11:12 AM EST
    Like talking about democrats in OK?   They apparently are very liberal.  Both of them.

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    We have a Republican Governor (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CST on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:18:59 AM EST
    Although I would bet that he votes for Hillary in the general election if Trump is the nominee.  

    I think what you have here is the perfect storm of Trump support.

    The republican base is not religious, it's more moderate, it's more populist, and lets face it, MA has a certain reputation with regards to racial relations that is not unfounded.

    Plus, culturally, we aren't exactly overly concerned with politeness.

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    I'm so glad you said that (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:26:48 AM EST
    I lived there too.  Boston.  Three years.  I believe, and have said many times, that part of the world shares a lot culturally with the south.  Where I was born, grew up and currently live.

    Sort of joking up there.  I'm aware MASS has republicans.   Not an accident Scott Brown found a friend.

    I think MASS matters in thins way.

    In spite of what I just said the media will say it's important because it's NOT the south taken with the rest if the wins today.   Especially since it will be a big win.

    I think many people are going to be alarmed with willingness of the media to coronate Donald after tonight.    

    He is going to win big.  Really really big in many states.

    Allow me to be the first to predict Dinakd may, MAY. win TX.

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    No (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:17:43 AM EST
    Oklahoma Democrats are not very liberal

    This is Sanders's best chance to win a Southern state. Oklahoma has a lot of the lower-income, white voters with whom Sanders has excelled in early primaries. Although African-Americans were a small part of the 2008 electorate in Oklahoma (American Indians might have been a larger share), most of the polling this year has found Clinton with a small, though not insurmountable, advantage. The biggest complicating factor for Sanders is that Oklahoma Democrats are not very liberal. Like in Alabama, self-identified conservative Democrats outnumbered very liberal Democrats in the 2008 primary.


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    You are so literal (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 10:19:29 AM EST
    I'm very intersted in seeing how OK (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 11:16:41 AM EST
    plays out. Are liberal economic policies are finally getting a toehold into places like this, overriding the 'culture wars' issues? Hope so!!!

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    "are liberal econ. policies getting a toehold (none / 0) (#57)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:05:13 PM EST
    into places like this?"

    The senator is upset with a political and economic system that is often rigged to help the privileged few at the expense of everyone else, particularly the least advantaged. He believes that we have a two-tiered society that increasingly dooms millions of our fellow citizens to lives of poverty and hopelessness. He thinks many corporations seek and benefit from corporate welfare while ordinary citizens are denied opportunities and a level playing field.

    I agree with him.

    - Charles Koch

    I'm speechless

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    He's (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:22:52 PM EST
    obviously just angling for Bernie's VP.

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    At least Koch is not blind (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 02, 2016 at 10:48:21 AM EST
    I suspect he disagrees on solutions to the problems he - and most sentient beings -  agree exist.

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    Dem Predictions (none / 0) (#36)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 01:51:14 PM EST
    DEMOCRATS:

    (I'm only predicting two wins for Sanders:  VT and CO.)

    Primaries

    ALABAMA
    Clinton 71%
    Sanders 28%

    ARKANSAS
    Clinton 64%
    Sanders 35%

    GEORGIA
    Clinton 72%
    Sanders 27%

    MASSACHUSETTS
    Clinton 56%
    Sanders 43%

    OKLAHOMA
    Clinton 53%
    Sanders 46%

    TENNESSEE
    Clinton 66%
    Sanders 33%

    TEXAS
    Clinton 61%
    Sanders 38%

    VERMONT
    Sanders 85%
    Clinton 14%

    VIRGINIA
    Clinton 65%
    Sanders 34%

    Caucuses

    AMERICAN SAMOA
    Clinton 58%
    Sanders 41%

    COLORADO
    Sanders 52%
    Clinton 47%

    MINNESOTA
    Clinton 52%
    Sanders 47%


    Republican Predictions (none / 0) (#38)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 02:49:54 PM EST
    REPUBLICANS:

    Primaries

    ALABAMA
    Trump 48%
    Rubio 23%
    Cruz 14%
    Carson 12%
    Kasich 2%

    ARKANSAS
    Cruz 32%
    Trump 30%
    Rubio 24%
    Carson 8%
    Kasich 1%

    GEORGIA
    Trump 42%
    Rubio 24%
    Cruz 17%
    Carson 12%
    Kasich 1%

    MASSACHUSETTS
    Trump 51%
    Rubio 29%
    Kasich 9%
    Cruz 8%
    Carson 4%

    OKLAHOMA
    Trump 36%
    Rubio 26%
    Cruz 22%
    Kasich 8%
    Carons 6%

    TENNESSEE
    Trump 46%
    Cruz 24%
    Rubio 18%
    Carson 10%
    Kasich 1%

    TEXAS
    Cruz 44%
    Trump 28%
    Rubio 21%
    Carson 5%
    Kasich 1%

    VERMONT
    Trump 38%
    Kasich 26%
    Rubio 21%
    Cruz 10%
    Carson 4%

    VIRGINIA
    Trump 38%
    Rubio 30%
    Cruz 18%
    Kasich 9%
    Carson 2%

    Caucuses

    ALASKA
    Trump 30%
    Cruz 28%
    Rubio 22%
    Carson 12%
    Kasich 2%

    MINNESOTA
    Rubio 31%
    Trump 25%
    Cruz 22%
    Kasich 12%
    Carson 9%

    You're (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:06:40 PM EST
    probably right about Rubio coming in 2nd here in Ga 'cause I know it's what the polling is saying but he just seems to have no prescense here in the state unlike Trump who has grassroots supporters and Cruz who has evangelicals pushing him.

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    Rubio's strength ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:30:20 PM EST
    should be in the suburbs. And I think he'll also benefit from Trump and Carson eating into Cruz's support.

    But if there's any surge towards Rubio it in the South, I think we'll see in GA.

    Another person I know in GA offered this prediction:

    Trump 39, Rubio 22, Cruz 20, Carson 12, Kasich 3

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    You may (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:36:35 PM EST
    well be right. However I'm not seeing it. I don't even see Rubio getting any support in the suburbs because they are heavily evangelical and Mario might be trying to be an evangelical but it just doesn't seem to work.

    People in the suburbs of Atlanta spend a lot of time commuting to work. So the thing they seem to royally ticked at Rubio for is his inability to show up for work. Cruz has problems though because of the birther thing. I mean there are people here that really believe he's not qualified to be president because he was born in Canada. I think if not for that he would be running much closer to Trump here.

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    Is all that true of ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:43:29 PM EST
    college educated Republicans?

    And what about the hepcats of Hotlanta?  Or are all of them Dems?

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    A lot of (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:41:03 PM EST
    college educated republicans are evangelicals also. I know that sounds strange but it's the way it is. The country clubbers loathe Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Kasich seems to be their guy so if Rubio was supposed to be the alternative for them then Kasich will probably take some of Rubio's voters. It's strange. The press keeps pushing Rubio however who votes for him? Apparently somebody does but I have no idea what his constituency is.

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    Nowadays there's so much ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:46:55 PM EST
    press, maybe it's just them.

    ;)

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    Just (none / 0) (#40)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 03:24:13 PM EST
    a few for me

    Mass
    Trump 49
    Rubio 20
    Kasich 18
    Cruz  11
    Carson 2

    Tex
    Cruz 39
    Trump 29
    Rubio 21
    Carson 7
    Kasich 4

    Delegates won
    Trump 284
    Cruz  164
    Rubio 147
    Kasich 9

    With only a 10 point lead ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:46:15 PM EST
    in Texas, how are you getting Cruz to second in the delegate count?

    Lots of tight seconds in the Southern states?  What's your take on Georgia?

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    Cruz (none / 0) (#67)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 06:01:34 PM EST
    is pretty much guaranteed second in delegates with his projected haul from TX. Rubio will be lucky to stay within 50 of him it's going to take a lot of strong seconds to make that up. Cruz should scrap up enough delegates across the South to maintain a lead.

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    Rubio obviously expecting bad news tonight (none / 0) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 03:37:30 PM EST
    He has dropped his "Trumpy" attack on Trump and set up a meeting with his top supporters in Washington DC tomorrow. His internals obviously showed what anyone could have predicted. Going Trumpy made the youngest candidate in the field look juvenile.

    I thought (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:09:58 PM EST
    that was an ignorant campaign move, is biggest weakness is his lack of gravitas(real or perceived), this just adds to it. IMO.

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    I'd keep it up ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:35:24 PM EST
    it gets coverage.

    And he's so much better lose and funny than tight and robotic.

    If he drops it, he might as well quit the race.

    I bet it starts working. But if it really isn't working, phase it out slowly. Dropping it too fast will make him look even more robotic.

    COMEDY NOT WORKING ... BZZT ... RETURN TO CANNED PHRASES ... BZZT.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:06:56 PM EST
    Rubio does not have to be concerned with gravitas--it is clear to all who care to see that he has none.  His hope must be that he is seen as a new and fresh face. He just needs to make sure that his old and stale ideas go unnoticed.

      His robotic manifestation of panic disorder triggered by Trump's new apprentice, Christie, essentially, did him in, not only on the gravitas score, but also, his ability to engender confidence or, even a capability for same. The fight-back-at-the-bully strategy was his best shot at re-entry. And, witty attacks and a little self-effacing humor is better than what he has offered.

     The d*ck joke might have skirted the edges, but, surely, such talk does not offend the Evangelicals, as long as he punctuates his schtick with god talk, occasionally.  But, whatever tact he takes, he must stick with it--it must be sustained and, yes, repeated.  He just needs to try not to douse his repetition with body fluids. And, Poland Spring.

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    Yup! Right now ... (none / 0) (#60)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:24:59 PM EST
    the only way into this race is to out circus the circus.

    And Rubio has figure out how to do that.

    Willard has too.

    Cruz not so much.

    And Kasich only falls into the center ring by accident when he lures women out of kitchens.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:26:33 PM EST
    if instead of 2nd he's going to be placing 3rd everywhere? I wonder if also him taking on Trump actually helped Cruz look better.

    I guess before long we'll find out.

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    Worst (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:54:57 PM EST
    case scenario would be to rack up more than a couple of thirds besides Texas. I would say GA and VA look pretty safe but my gut feeling is that his recent antics may have hurt him in MA (and VT?) possibly handing second to Kasich. Minnesota is anybody's guess. It looks like he is going to trail Cruz in Arkansas but he looks relatively safe everywhere else.

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    My guess is the results ... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 04:40:16 PM EST
    will be too jumbled to present such clear takeaways.

    Marco the Comedy Robot just began on Friday.  Too soon to really see an impact.

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    I am (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:00:25 PM EST
    going to look at Kasich's numbers in VA,VT and MA, if he over-preforms and Rubio remains flat it will be a tell.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:28:05 PM EST
    Is doing a 9pm press conference from Mar a Lago.

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    Will it be ... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 05:44:33 PM EST
    Is Kasich dropping out? (none / 0) (#77)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:41:14 PM EST
    He's rambling like Nixon during his final days on C-Span right now.

    Nope, guess he just ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 01, 2016 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    ramble like a mental patient for an hour.

    Bizarre.

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    this is a super tuesday thread (none / 0) (#83)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 03, 2016 at 02:25:32 AM EST
    and "open" as to related topics, not all topics.

    Here's a thread for all topics related to Super Tuesday


    An interesting hypothesis (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 03, 2016 at 07:51:30 AM EST
    To keep watching to see if the trend continued

    So far, Trump wins open primaries and Cruz wins closed ... and the calendar is starting to change toward more closed primaries

    Watch on Saturday when there are four closed primaries/caucuses.

    ADL publishes Bundy related arrests spreadsheet (none / 0) (#85)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Mar 04, 2016 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    "The Return of the D.I.Y. Abortion" (none / 0) (#87)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Mar 06, 2016 at 11:22:25 AM EST
    Google searches can help us understand what's really going on. They show a hidden demand for self-induced abortion reminiscent of the era before Roe v. Wade.

    In 2015, in the United States, there were about 119,000 searches for the exact phrase "how to have a miscarriage." There were also searches for other variants -- "how to self-abort" -- and for particular methods. Over all, there were more than 700,000 Google searches looking into self-induced abortions in 2015.

    For comparison, there were some 3.4 million searches for abortion clinics and, according to estimates by the Guttmacher Institute, there are around one million legal abortions a year.

    The 700,000 searches included about 160,000 asking how to get abortion pills through unofficial channels -- searches like "buy abortion pills online" and "free abortion pills."

    There were tens of thousands of searches looking into abortion by herbs like parsley or by vitamin C. There were some 4,000 searches looking for directions on coat hanger abortions, including about 1,300 for the exact phrase "how to do a coat hanger abortion." There were also a few hundred looking into abortion through bleaching one's uterus and punching one's stomach.'

    - Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, The New York Times, March 5, 2016