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    Pithy is accurate (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 12:17:10 PM EST


    A fault, I feel, of (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:29:52 PM EST
    the Sander's campaign was exemplified by Senator Sander's reaction in the wake of outrage over Trump's abortion "punishment" comments (subsequently taken back)---a reaction that required a rather quick response in the Rachel Maddow interview which occurred shortly after Trump's interview with Tweety.

     While Senator Sanders is pro-choice, and indicated that Trump's position was "incomprehensible," he used the opportunity to take on the media: "any stupid, absurd remark made by Trump becomes the story of the week,  Maybe, just maybe, we might want to have a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."

     Certainly, true. But, Sanders made it sound like Trump was bellowing just one of many stupid remarks, that would be part of the free media coverage.

    Income inequality and Wall Street harked to the cadence of "millionaires and billionaires," is a critical message, but it is not the only message.  Trump's statement, like so many of his, pulled the mask off the masquerade, uncovering the logical, but unspoken consequences of the anti-abortion advocacy.

     Fiorina, while the only one, apparently, did see a kicking and screaming video of a "baby" for tissue harvest--was it just Planned Parenthood that was culpable?

     It was an opportunity to move from that laser focus and recognize the opportunity to challenge other serious issues.

    A woman who is a millionaire or billionaire would face the same "punishment." under a Trumpian law.  Those men and women in Mississippi, straights and gays who have intimate relationships and are not married are seriously faced with discrimination by a "religious liberty" bill on the governor's desk. Rich and poor are affected by irrational drugs laws.

     Trump offered and retracted (sort, of, only the doctor/health worker gets criminally punished) his revelatory statement. It is a topical example that deserves scrutiny, by media and the Democratic candidates. Not just another stupid  statement by a Republican taking time away from the script. Maybe, to be talked about another day.

    Jeebus what is your point ?? (none / 0) (#32)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:44:24 PM EST
    ...?

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    The point seems obvious to me. (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:01:41 PM EST
    70 years ago today, ... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:30:34 PM EST
    ... in the early morning hours (local time) of April 1, 1946, a massive earthquake off the coast of Alaska's Aleutian Islands -- since estimated at 7.4 on the Richter scale -- triggered the deadliest tsunami in U.S. history, which first struck the nearby island of Unimak minutes afterward and killed all five people manning the U.S. Navy station and lighthouse at Scotch Cap, before churning south toward the the Hawaiian Islands.

    About 4-1/2 hours later at 7:00 a.m., the waters of Hilo Bay on the island of Hawaii receded to the point where it was practically emptied, which attracted curious onlookers to the waterfront. Then within a half-hour, the sea rolled back into the bay at an estimated 40 miles per hour and crashed onshore, sweeping inland in some places by as much as a half-mile, completely obliterating the town's Waiakea (aka Shinmachi) residential district. 96 people lost their lives in Hilo.

    18 miles farther north along the Hamakua coast at the village of Laupahoehoe, 19 students and 3 teachers at the local public school, as well as a mother and her 3-mo. old infant son, were killed when the series of waves powered ashore and inundated their coastal campus just as the children were beginning to arrive for the day.

    The steps leading up to the foundation of one of the school buildings are a haunting reminder of the tragedy which took place in Laupahoehoe. An archived 1997 story from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin offers first-person accounts of surviving students: "I saw kids getting hit. Like dominoes they were falling." After the disaster, the entire village was relocated upslope to much higher ground, southeast of its original coastal site.

    42 other residents across the then-Territory of Hawaii also lost their lives in tsunami events that morning as well. The extent and magnitude of the destruction in the islands prompted the federal government to establish the Seismic Sea Wave Warning System in Honolulu, which three years later was renamed the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center (PTWC).

    Following the deadly tsunami spawned by and undersea quake off the Indonesian island of Sumatra in Dec. 2004, the PTWC has since expanded its coverage and area of operation to include the Indian Ocean and the Caribbean Sea.

    Aloha.

    Unbearable. (none / 0) (#66)
    by sallywally on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:16:33 PM EST
    It was, at that. (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:40:56 PM EST
    The church bells here in Hilo began ringing this morning at 7:30 a.m., to commemorate the moment  when the tsunami surged into the bay and onshore 70 years ago. They did the same in Hanalei, Kauai,  at 7:00 a.m., which was the time that bay was hit with a 45-foot wall of water. Oldtimers over there say that they were lucky more people didn't die that morning on Kauai. As it was, 12 people were killed in the coastal town of Haena on the island's north shore, which was wiped out.

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    I had only a vague (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Suisser1 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:52:35 PM EST
    memory of reading about this. Thank you for the share, I learned something I diid not know.

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    Krugman takes a shot as Sanders today (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:45:02 PM EST
    First, the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that it's all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that - and tell his staff to stop it too.

    Second, it's time for Sanders to engage in some citizenship. The presidency isn't the only office on the line; down-ballot races for the Senate and even the House are going to be crucial. Clinton has been raising money for other races; Sanders hasn't, and is still being evasive on whether he will ever do so. Not acceptable....

    Sanders doesn't need to drop out, but he needs to start acting responsibly.



    Yeah, (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:47:14 PM EST
    I saw that and he's right about Sanders needing to start acting responsibly.

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    Where was that published? (none / 0) (#92)
    by sallywally on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 09:32:16 AM EST
    I can't seem to find it.

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    Paul (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    Krugman's column yesterday I think it was.

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    In the NYTimes (none / 0) (#96)
    by CoralGables on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:33:49 AM EST
    Thanks! (none / 0) (#101)
    by sallywally on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 11:19:26 AM EST
    Boy, the comments, or at least the first ones shown, are incredibly vicious toward Clinton. Just shows how well the Republicans and the Sanders campaign have pulled the wool over many voters' eyes. Ugh. And both know better, I figure.

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    Sanders/Nader act responsibly? (none / 0) (#52)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:03:29 PM EST
    Dream on.


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    I do not follow (none / 0) (#53)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:11:30 PM EST
    The Bern wants to be the Democratic nominee, and I believe that he truly thinks Clinton is corrupt, he does not trust her on free trade, reigning in Wall Street.
    He is a politician campaigning for the top spot in the United States, NO, a candidates honesty and integrity are fair game , I actually think The Bern has been playing with kid gloves, he should have been much more rough and tumble from the outset, and he would have more delegates.
    I also think The Bern never expected to have the impact he has had, and most likely regrets his very tepid early approach to this campaign.

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    No (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:24:11 PM EST
    he doesn't want to be the nominee. He even admitted that he was just "using" the party.

    He's passive aggressive with snide remarks. By his own standards he's corrupt. Hillary has been far too nice to him. There is so much junk in his background that would probably cut his legs off in short order. That is also the reason the GOP is pushing him. They know one or two PAC ads would end any chance he had in a general election.

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    Yep,he was an elector (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:06:16 PM EST
    for the Socialist Worker's Party, which a communist, pro-Castro party that advocated abolition of the military.

    Pretty dicey stuff.  One could go on.  Hillary has been super nice.

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    Right.. (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 09:07:41 AM EST
    just like Tail Gunner Joe, you have a sock full of sh*t and you know how to use it.

    Protracted public red-baiting in the year 2016 might turn out to be a dicier proposition than you realize, as well.

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    No, jondee, you (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 02:15:46 PM EST
    don't get to use that stock defense of red baiting to avoid scrutiny.

    First, it is true, so it is not McCarthyism.

    Second, it is true, so Bernie should explain.

    Third, it is true, so Bernie would be attacked on this by Republicans.

    But you guys get the vapors when anyone wants to explore just how far Left Bernie has been.

    This guy is no George McGovern.  No, he is a purity troll who never showed the courage of McGovern.

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    Let's explore it all (none / 0) (#111)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:11:00 PM EST
    by all means..

    And while we're involved in the process, we can also explore just how far to the right and aggressively interventionist in the realm of foreign policy Hillary and her advisors like Henry K and Lanny Davis and all her starry-eyed acolytes actually  are -- and just exactly how tolerant and open-minded toward dissenting points of view and ideas you all are.

    Let's explore it all. In depth.

    After that, maybe we'll have some time left over to explore those Goldman Sachs transcripts, if Hillary ever releases them.

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    Or Bernie's (5.00 / 4) (#125)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:00:18 PM EST
    tax returns.  Where are those?

    And, no matter how many times you say it, Kissinger is not Hillary's advisor or mentor or what other word you want to use to suggest that Hillary is responsible for Kissinger's sins.

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    Birds of a feather flock together.. (none / 0) (#127)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 09:59:34 AM EST
    Doesn't that concern you just a little? Even a tad?

    And, I would just like to add that no matter how much you annoy the hell out of me, I'm still going to vote for Hillary and encourage others to do the same when she gets the nomination.

    How do you like them apples? Enjoy the buzz of pure cognitive dissonance. It's a natural high.

    So let's put a stop to all this insulting "they'll all go running to Trump" crapola right now. If it's not too much trouble.

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    And another thing.. (none / 0) (#129)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 10:36:51 AM EST
    Would it kill you to admit that the cranky old Jew is, on occasion, close to dead-on about some problems in this country? Apparently it would.

    Of course, silver bullet remedies are hard to come by. We all know that.

    Democratic class-interest checks and balances are as important for the long term health and security of this country, nay, more important, than our vaunted governmental system of checks and balances. Of course, I realize that just using the expression "class interests" in public in this country automatically gets you on the list of pro-Castro, socialist worker commies and enemies of baseball, motherhood, family and the Founding Fathers, but there it is.

    And btw, just because some of us like to meditate under bridges on occasion, doesn't make us purity trolls.

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    Being "dead on" (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by jbindc on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 04:57:25 PM EST
    About identifying some of the problems in this country isn't the same thing as "having realistic, workable solutions" to those problems.  Everyone on this board can identify problems in this country, but that doesn't mean any of us could be president.  (Maybe some here could - who knows?)

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    All that and more (none / 0) (#126)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:01:39 PM EST
    has been repeatedly discussed.  Bernie's political history, not so much.

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    Its a (none / 0) (#56)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    Political campaign, if Madame Sec has any information that would disqualify The Bern, let it out and end the primary.

    Politics is hardball and nasty.
    Just see how a Chicago politician named Obama won 2 local elections, no, no Marquis of Queensberry rules for the Obama team.

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    Bernie (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:46:44 PM EST
    voters are special snowflakes though and would not be able to handle it.

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    Snowflakes.. (none / 0) (#94)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:06:03 AM EST
    And did you see the way Sanders wagged his finger and looked vaguely annoyed in that last debate?

    Is there no end to his contemptuous misogyny?

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    Bernie has faced (5.00 / 3) (#109)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 02:19:53 PM EST
    no vetting, scrutiny or criticism of consequence.  He has gotten a free ride.

    When anything adverse is raised, his fans freak out.

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    Fans freak out.. (none / 0) (#120)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:22:45 PM EST
    means, in translation, people at Kos who react to criticism of Sanders the way people here react to criticism of Hillary.

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    I'd (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:26:53 AM EST
    be more worried about the way he talked to his wife.

    His finger wagging nonsense just plays into the look of an angry crank.

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    Hardball can backfire. (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:29:32 PM EST
    And it didn't always work for Barack Obama. When he tried to muscle aside popular Congressman Bobby Rush in the 2000 Democratic primary, he ended up losing that race badly by a nearly 2:1 margin.

    Hillary Clinton isn't attacking Bernie Sanders in the same manner he's going after her, because she is the current front-runner and needs his supporters on board in November.

    Concentrate on your own party, Trevor. The GOP needs all the help they can get right now.

    ;-D

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    He lost to Rush (none / 0) (#69)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:20 PM EST
    His 2 Chicago campaigns after that, both opposition candidates trashed by the "release" of sealed court documents.
    Yes , Obama learned, you can be beaten at the ballot box, but not if the opposition never makes it there

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    Right?

    As far as Barack Obama's initial opposition in the 2004 Illinois Senate race, you seem to have a very selective memory about Jack Ryan. Suffice to say that he shouldn't have positioned himself to be the "family values" candidate, if he enjoyed going to sex clubs and swinging while still married.

    Ryan hoisted himself on his own petard by misleading Illinois GOP chair Judy Toplinka and state party leaders about the reasons for his divorce, when he assured them that there was nothing at all embarrassing in those records.

    Those reasons must've already been pretty well known to any number of people, given how the Chicago Tribune made an immediate beeline to L.A. Superior Court to get those records unsealed and released once Ryan secured the nomination.

    Ryan's own party ultimately pressured him to withdraw, and with good reason. I mean, if you're the party that's claiming in 2004 to be the only major party to uphold the sanctity of marriage, and you're further sponsoring and running a sizable number of anti-LGBT measures on various state ballots across the country, having one of your major U.S. Senate candidates outed as a serial adulterer who likes to have sex in public tends to undercut that claim -- don'tcha think?

    Jack Ryan was certainly no victim, and you can't blame Obama for that guy's own very public pratfall.

    Aloha.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 07:43:09 PM EST
    point being he has no right to constantly and strongly infer her corruption with absolutely zero proof.  Even If  he personally does not "trust" her his thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks are uncalled for.

    Bernie himself promised early and often that his campaign would be above all that, his campaign would about ideas, not personality. He would never have got this far if he had taken the gloves off early.

    Questioning a candidate's honesty and integrity may be fair game but it is always a low blow, especially when based on mere conjecture.

    Bernie is no babe in the woods, he knows how the money game is played in DC, he ran for Senate in VT(the most expensive ever there) with plenty of of financial and structural help from the Democrats, he was even endorsed by Sen. "Wall Street  Ho and Proud of it" Schumer. Never heard Bernie bad mouth him.....go figure.

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    Good article by Jonathan Capehart, (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by mm on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 07:31:46 AM EST
    Now, here's where the Sanders hustle comes in. While most people still assume that Clinton will win the Democratic nomination, all that money she is raising for the DNC and state parties will go to helping said nominee in the general election -- even if that ends up being Sanders. The master fundraiser who hasn't lifted a finger to help his adopted party. The fiery campaigner who has hammered his opponent for raising the money to fortify the DNC for the general election. The person who stands to benefit enormously from Clinton's big-money prowess without sullying his carefully crafted aura of campaign-finance purity.

    If he doesn't want to "[waste] my time going to rich people's homes begging them for their campaign contributions," if he really is "not even interested in" the kinds of money Clinton has access to, then he should forego all the money she has raised for the DNC and state committees if he were to become the Democratic nominee.

    Sanders would need every dime of that money to fight the Kraken released on him by the Republicans. But given all that Sanders has said, wouldn't it be the height of hypocrisy to capitalize on the money he's so gleefully scorned? Sure would be. And not relying on it would be unbelievably stupid. Sanders is not stupid, even though his campaign rhetoric in this regard is.

    LINK


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    It is a (none / 0) (#59)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 08:03:22 PM EST
    Campaign for the most powerful political position in the free world.
    The supporters of Senator Sanders disagree that there is zero proof,
    And I find it odd they are chastised with "right wing attacks" when they state what they believe to be true.
    Yes, those same attacks will be used in the general election, but that doesn't make them right wing. Those are shared beliefs by voters not trusting Madame Sec, both liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans.
    The Bern should have dropped the gloves early, if he really wanted to entertain the thought of actually winning this campaign.
    Now he needs a Wisconsin and NY miracle, Wisconsin is a definite possibility, and NY, well, it is trending for The Bern, but there is 2 weeks between Wisconsin and NY, a lot may happen.

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    So says the guy who ... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:15:09 PM EST
    ... supported the baseless candidacy of Marco "Roboto" Rubio, a political opportunist of so little heft and substance that he was correctly described by Charles Pierce as a "bag of feathers."

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    Donald, everyone is free to (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 10:18:14 PM EST
    choose who they support. All points of view are welcome here, it's how they are expressed that can be objectionable. I have no idea who Trevor supported, but if it was Rubio, I have no problem with him saying so -- so long as he wasn't shilling for him (As in encouraging others to vote for him or donate to him.)

    Please don't mock others whose views are different than yours.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#70)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:39:04 PM EST
    Support any politician, not in a long while.

    Little Marco was my preferred choice for the general, out of the lot
    Felt he was most electable, and be able to govern, he proved he could compromise, which is the only way a President can govern effectively.

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    Not supporting any politician (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:41:54 AM EST
    Tins much of a plan.   Short term or long term.  

    Time will heal your broken heart.

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    I choose (none / 0) (#104)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 12:15:43 PM EST
    Whom I will vote for,

    The best out of the litter

    But my support only comes if they inspire me

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    When I was very young, Trevor (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by christinep on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:45:49 PM EST
    Politician(s) could & did inspire me.  But then, isn't that early inspiration (& following process) part of growing.  

    Now I find my inspiration in spiritual places ... mountains, powerful seas, expansively wondrous skies, and in church.  So much to be discovered in the quietude and natural energy of life.  OTOH, experience might suggest that politicians provide positions & objectives--some honest, some not so much.  I clearly relish and look for political involvement; but, that arena isn't known for delivering artistic, musical, athletic, and/or spiritual inspiration of any lasting nature.  It is wise to tread carefully if you actually seek inspiration in that field.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#124)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:54:29 PM EST
    No inspiration from politicians, in quite a long time, I choose the least worst option.

    For me, On the beach, pre dawn (best fishing is usually pre dawn to just after sunrise)

    Usually alone, very quiet, I think of it as God having spent all night cleaning up after us,

    And I get to see the beautiful creation of the beach through the pre dawn light to sunrise.

    Catching a fish then is just a bonus.

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    And Marco inspired you (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 12:33:39 PM EST
    Fascinating

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    No (none / 0) (#106)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM EST
    Please re read, with comprehension

    I don't (none / 0) (#70)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:39:04 PM EST
    Support any politician, not in a long while.
    Little Marco was my preferred choice for the general, out of the lot
    Felt he was most electable, and be able to govern, he proved he could compromise, which is the only way a President can govern effectively.

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    Sigh, (none / 0) (#108)
    by FlJoe on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 02:17:33 PM EST
    and you guys started out with such a "deep bench".
    When did it become litter (of scruffy and inbred,IMO) puppies? Your analogy not mine.

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    Comparing any past or present member (none / 0) (#113)
    by christinep on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:27:26 PM EST
    of Repub presidential campaign "bench" to any puppy litter is degrading ... to the puppies, naturally :)

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    That was the problem (none / 0) (#116)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:39:59 PM EST
    The whole bench split up 60% of the primary voters,
    Politicians, being the egotistical things that they are, couldn't see this, and The Donald strode right down Broadway.

    If it was Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Kasich from the get go (or any other 2 to fill out the foursome) there would a totally different result.

    Now if Biden and Kerry were in the race, The Bern might actually be winning.

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    Feh (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:25:22 PM EST
    if Kerry and Biden were in it, Kerry would not have lasted past Iowa. Biden being consistently 2nd place would probably have some wins and Bernie would be already out much like Dennis Kucinich. The only reason Bernie is still in the race is because he's the only other one.

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    Rubio "proved" nothing of the kind. (none / 0) (#112)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:25:48 PM EST
    TrevorBolder: "Little Marco was my preferred choice for the general, out of the lot[.] Felt he was most electable, and be able to govern, he proved he could compromise, which is the only way a President can govern effectively."

    You likely can't name off the top of your head one single issue on which Rubio "compromised," whether in the U.S. Senate or the Florida legislature. Jeez, he even turned tail and ran away from his supposed "signature issue," immigration reform, at the very moment his party's own right-wing started criticizing him for it.

    In fact, Rubio literally epitomizes the current state of the GOP, which clearly desires the privileges and benefits that come with being the ruling party, yet disdains and eschews the responsibility that comes with actual governance.

    I'll repeat what I told you about that professionally outraged phony baloney just the day before he imploded in that debate when challenged by Chris Christie. The guy is all meringue and no filling.

    Aloha.

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    He tried (none / 0) (#117)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:42:54 PM EST
    To compromise, immigration reform, and it wa soundly rejected by the base.

    As President, he could push it through, as the main reason Republicans were afraid of immigration reform, they couldn't trust Obama. The border security portion of the bill, Obama would have just waived, never enforced, as he has done with many regulations applying to ObamaCare the 1st couple of years.

    Burt as President , with emphasis on securing the border first, immigration reform would be passed

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    Were you not (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:29:54 PM EST
    paying attention during the Bush Administration? When the Bush Administration put forth immigration reform there was a massive meltdown from Republicans. What's the excuse then? Obama wasn't present.

    The truth is you can't handle the truth and it's that the GOP has a massive race problem. Everything that drives their behavior concerns the "browning of America" and you even have prominent Republicans saying that letting these people become citizens will destroy America. Basically the GOP doesn't think anything outside of an embryo is worthy of basic human dignity.

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    He wimped out. (none / 0) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:24:38 PM EST
    If that's part of your criteria for good leadership, then no small wonder that Rubio was your preferred candidate.

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    Obviously you don't follow (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:20:48 PM EST
    because the honesty and integrity being questioned by Krugman is Bernie's.

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    You are half right (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:39:11 AM EST
    Bern wants to be the nominee and you think Clinton is corrupt so that part works out well for you both.

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    In early Feb. (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by magster on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:12:04 PM EST
    I was considering voting for Bernie. Now I want Clinton to just wax him in WI and NY and end this Nader 2.0 campaign.

    Clinton needs to quit doing the general election thing and focus on burying Sanders.

    DOJ has likely (none / 0) (#2)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:32 PM EST
    given up on any prosecution in the email controversy, according to an article in Politico.

    The reasoning:  Four of Hillary's former staffers at State have all hired the same lawyer to represent them.  This means they believe there is no conflict of interest or that there is no case against them.  Long-time anti Clinton critic Joseph diGenova believes this means the DOJ recognizes this means there is no case:

    "If it's a serious case, you don't run the risk of having all sorts of collusion between people -- it's just not done," said diGenova. "If the department has accepted that, that tells me they're walking down the line of not bringing a case, because they're not serious if they have accepted that arrangement ... They've thrown in the towel."



    Well (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 01:33:57 PM EST
    it's already been reported that Hillary is going to be cleared. The only question remaining was the aides and now it looks like that is falling apart.

    The heads of our resident concern trolls will start exploding in 3...2...1...

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    The idiom (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 01:49:16 PM EST
    "thrown in the towel," used by Mr. diGenova is revelatory: trying hard to find something that will hurt, if not be fatal, to the Clinton campaign, but having to admit defeat or failure.

     That was the goal of Mrs Clinton's critics, but, gosh, looks like we got beat, except for feeding the "trust" meme of Republicans and picked up in the Democratic primaries.   This investigation of how Secretary Clinton emails has gone on far too long given its politically charged impact and unfairness to the Clinton candidacy.  

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    But...but... (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 01:11:18 PM EST
    That can't be!  

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    Blurb from same link (none / 0) (#4)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 01:24:20 PM EST
    But Bill Killian, former U.S. attorney for the eastern district of Tennessee, said the strategy "is fraught with danger" for the Clinton aides because "what they did, what they said, what they wrote, what their relationship was with whomever" is going to be different -- potentially giving them different levels of legal exposure.

    As I posted in an earlier thread there are lots of unknowns.  One thing I noticed is Huma's name was not mentioned in the story.  Have to wonder about that as she seems like a key player to me.

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    Former U.S. attorney (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 03:33:34 PM EST
    for the eastern district of Tennessee...that's a bit of a reach. That dude must be living in some tall cotton.

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    I read that article (none / 0) (#22)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:23:11 PM EST
    And found this part interesting,
    Wilkinson, a well-connected former assistant U.S. attorney best known for prosecuting Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, is listed as representing three of Clinton's top State Department staffers, according to a congressional letter obtained by POLITICO and dated Feb. 10. A fourth Clinton aide, Philippe Reines, is also represented by Wilkinson, according to sources familiar with their representation.

    Perhaps the host knows her...

    Also, I was hoping that some of the legal minds, even better, defense attorneys, could discuss the strategy , do they think it is in the best interests of a individual client to run a joint defense strategy.

    Found this on Abrams website,

    Lawyers are barred from simultaneously representing people who may have conflicting interests in an investigation, or who would say something negative or potentially legally harmful about the lawyer's other clients, experts say, although some such conflicts can be waived by the clients.

    Thus, the aides' decision to use a so-called "joint-representation" or "common-defense" strategy suggests the staffers believe they're in this together and are unlikely to turn on each other.

    On the other hand, if one of the aides ends up in criminal jeopardy as part of the probe, choosing a "common-defense" strategy could mean trouble for that staffer, who may need to say something adverse about his or her attorney's other clients

    And was wondering if Madame Sec was footing the bill for the lawyer, she was asked that but declined to answer

    "I am bound by ethical obligations to maintain the confidentiality of information pertaining to my representation," Wilkinson wrote on behalf of Mills, Sullivan and Samuelson on Feb. 10, according to a copy of her reply obtained by POLITICO. "As such, I am unable to address your questions."



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    BTD retweets the info that Dawson, a (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 02:02:53 PM EST
    Sanders' surrogate, criticized Pres. Obama, amongst other complaints, for now using Twitter enough. Quite damning!

    I guess it was just too much to ask that (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 02:30:47 PM EST
    Dems let the Republicans have all of the stupid this election cycle.

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    Nobody Damns Anyone (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 02:53:34 PM EST
    As well as BTD ;).If only he picked winning teams with equal success

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    Hillary just can't connect... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 03:35:26 PM EST
    with talented actresses.  But she'll always have Clooney to put Hollywood bundles together for her.

    Excellent choice for Sanders to hold a rally in the Boogie Down...I hear The Bronx was Bernin' like it was 1977, with over 15,000 strong in attendance.  And not all white people, though to be fair it was probably more white people than Mott Haven has seen since 1957.

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    Ehm ... (5.00 / 4) (#82)
    by Nemi on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 06:30:25 AM EST
    Meryl Streep, Sally Field, Juliane Moore, Geena Davis, Candice Bergen comes to (my) mind. But maybe you ment 'young' instead of 'talented'? ;)

    But as 'talent' often is in the eye of the beholder anyway, I'll leave it up to you to check out if you can find some talent among these endorsements @ Wikipedia. I can spot more than a few. Young ones too. :)

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    Here are some of ... (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 08:17:34 AM EST
    the younger actresses who support Hillary:  Chloe Grace Mortez, Lena Dunham, Kat Dennings, and America Ferrera.

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    Lena Dunham supports Hillary?! (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 11:23:18 AM EST
    well that's all the vital information I'll ever need.

    And Myrna Loy and Theda Bara just came out for Bernie -- at a seance I attended.

    Seriously, I thought we all agreed that Hollywood actresses were cosseted, out-of-touch elites who should just do what they do best and refrain from making public political prouncements?

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    And to like a tweet (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 03:40:07 PM EST
    You have to heart it, that's so not BTD. I am a BTD fan cuz martini binge drinking with angry stumble spelling. I can't heart his tweets!

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    I heart some of his tweets. I can't help myself. (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 08:59:57 PM EST
    Some of them crack me up.

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    The "heart" restriction is (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:08:21 PM EST
    off-putting. Also, why don't the tweeters address questions?  Well, they do if the questioner is a biggee.

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    When I read your (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 10:34:02 AM EST
    Comment the words heart restrictions stick out to me ;)

    I have always liked that BTD can get to the analytical point in few leaps and bounds. But he does have heart too. He usually writes a really great piece when the Orange clans won't unite. And the angry throw things at him like he's Richard Gere on 9/11, or they bring up losing an analytical debate to him and call him a bully when he is his most heartful.

    I suppose hearting his tweets that I agree with makes a certain sense ;) I'll just have to do it and get over it.

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    Ha ha ha (none / 0) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 10:42:14 AM EST
    And I go check his tweets this morning. He is Spartacus ;) He needs more hearts this morning, because he's right....again

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    Retweeting ... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 08:22:38 AM EST
    is another way to show your appreciation.

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    Clinton snaps at Greenpeace protester (none / 0) (#13)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 03:58:32 PM EST
    Clinton gets angry

    And of course that will be the story (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 03:59:55 PM EST
    Clinton got mad.
    Not that FF are not even in the top 20 contributors to either her or sanders campaign.

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    Bernie said: (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 08:33:42 AM EST
    "The truth is that Secretary Clinton has relied heavily on funds from lobbyists working for the oil, gas and coal industry."

    It's significantly less than one percent.
    Which cannot be described as relying heavily in anyone's book.

    Bernie and the Sanders campaign are lying on this matter as Hillary stated.

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    Bernie got three pinnochios (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 09:08:00 AM EST
    from WaPo.

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    It should be four pinnochios. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 09:23:48 AM EST
    She can't win for losing (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by mm on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 10:48:46 AM EST
    She takes a strong principled position for renewable energy and against the coal industry and gets hammered by the right for her effort.  Instead of backing her up, Green Peace attacks her for these penny ante donations.

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    Also (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by FlJoe on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 11:09:13 AM EST
    from your link.
    According to the latest tallies from Center for Responsive Politics, Clinton's campaign has received $307,561 from people who work for oil and gas interests so far in the presidential race. Sanders has received nearly six times fewer dollars -- $53,760.

    bringing to mind "The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter."

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    Meanwhile Sanders double down (none / 0) (#15)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:02:42 PM EST
    And demands an apology
    Gotta hand it to the Bernie campaign.

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    It's on (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:04:32 PM EST
    tape. His campaign is doubling down on stupid on that one.

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    Clinton needs to just get real (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:12:12 PM EST
    Gloves off, heels on.
    She owes HIM an apology?

    F-Ck that.

    It's so stupid. The same old BS Democratic Circular Firing Squad.

    It all started with the Lefty Purity Test. Because we just HAD to have someone who was perfect.  And now here we are.

    I was fine with Bernie. Totally fine.

    But now he lost me.

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    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:14:57 PM EST
    you are correct and Bernie has shown himself to be the thin skinned bully much like we all thought he was.

    That interview with Rachel Maddow was nothing short of a disaster for him.

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    Yea thin skinned (none / 0) (#24)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:27:20 PM EST
    But also smart.
    This plays well to the media's loathing of Clinton.

    Actually a smart move.

    But eff him.

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    It seems (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:40:11 PM EST
    nobody cares what the media says. If they did Hillary would not be millions of votes ahead of Bernie. The media can fluff him all they want but all it seems to do is tick off Hillary's voters, the kinds of voters that actually go the polls unlike Bernie's voters.

    And I bet your reaction to him whining about being hit is the reaction of a lot of voters. The bigger thing is he's showing he's incapable of being a national candidate. Is he going to beg the GOP for an apology?

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    I get it now.. (none / 0) (#132)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 11:45:21 AM EST
    you've just been taking your old posts from 08 and inserting Bernie's name in place of Obama's..

    Seriously. "Thin skinned"? I've seen cave dwelling salamanders with thicker skins than some of the folks here..

    If the cranky old socialist keeps making you hit the fainting couch, how are you going to deal with the spout-out-anything (then sorta retract-apologize three weeks later), cutthroat, eye-gouging, below-the-belt hitting, endlessly Machievellian Republicans?

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    Tried to watch it....too much Trump and Sanders (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:06:04 PM EST
    video for my taste so I did not make it to the point where she got mad...or whatever she hot.

    But half the time the pundits complain that she is too "fake" and never shows an honest reaction, so I expect they are praising her to the stars now, right?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:03:45 PM EST
    we know she's not allowed to get angry.

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    Actually (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:38:13 PM EST
    Glancing at CBS morning show today, I think that both John Dickerson (Face the Nation) & Charlie Rose seemed to regard HRC's reaction about the misleading Sanders' fossil fuel comments as rather honest.  IOW, when Dickerson noted the situation, he remarked that her response & look was the "honest face" of anger.  Hmmmm.  Then, I saw that WashPo's columnist Sargent and even Cilizza wrote that HRC had "justifiable" reason for being annoyed at the Sanders' tactics (adding that Sanders' tactics here could be considered "misleading.")

    While I'm only pointing out what stood out for me this a.m. as to the subject at hand, it may portend some shifting in tone favorable to HRC.  (Maybe I'm dreaming :) )

    On a related matter: I very much appreciated HRC's treatment of the recent Trump statements about women, abortion & punishment.  Unlike Sanders, who wanted to move to "more serious issues facing America" when asked for his reaction the other day, HRC had the wherewithal & know how & understanding of the broader and truly serious issue presented by abortion-cum-punishment postures ... she excelled at explaining how all the Repub candidates are basically supporting Trump's original statement, but that they were doing so by their own previous positions.  

    Although Sanders' complete focus on his one/single/sole big issue has been a powerful plus early on in its surface take of dedication to principle, I suspect that the narrowness of that laser focus will carry powerful negatives as the limitations of that philosophy become more apparent.  The trap of the single issue....

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    She's not allowed to get anything.... (none / 0) (#29)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:41:35 PM EST
    Well she's allowed to talk but not too loud, because that's like strident and yelling,  and that scares us, but she can't  talk softer,  because then that's like too soft, like a mouse, but she can't be too strong because that's like attacking, but she can't be too weak because that's just mushy and weak, basically she just needs to be more like,  you know, more like .....like...more like a MAN.


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    BERNIE SANDERS = NADER 2000 v 2.0 (none / 0) (#20)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:18:25 PM EST
    KMA Bernie.

    Oh and you too, Susan.

    What's Up With Bernie's Tax Returns (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:22:04 PM EST
    and why is he taking the Republican route by refusing to release them?

    Because (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:46:13 PM EST
    he's a millionaire and doesn't want anybody to know about it.

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    Tee hee, wouldn't that be something? (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:11:09 PM EST
    I am beginning to think Bernie is not the cute curmudgeon he is portrayed as being, but is a rather weird iconoclast.

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    C'mon MKS ... Sanders was never (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 10:30:06 PM EST
    who he pretended to be.  The tax matter is interesting, indeed.

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    SANDERS = NADER (none / 0) (#23)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:25:23 PM EST
    Why? Because he's a pol like everybody else.

    But mostly like NADER 2000

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    Except that this time (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 11:29:55 AM EST
    the Democrat's going to win. In a landslide.

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    Bernie in it a while longer (none / 0) (#27)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:35:59 PM EST
    Impressive fund raising for March, better than his record total from Feb.

    Once again Sanders is relying on huge numbers of small donations.

    Clinton has not released March totals yet, but several news blurbs list small high donor groups.  Of course lots of Hillary's fund raising is for down ticket.

    Bottom line is not much reason for Sanders to drop out as long as he keeps getting big buck totals from small donors.

    The GOP (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:43:20 PM EST
    is going to continue to fund him no doubt about it but he has large FEC problems related to his fundraising that have yet to be resolved.

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    Roves PAC (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:46:24 PM EST
    Has been supporting him from the start.

    Not that Bernie could bring himself to denounce it.  

    Another point ignored  by our famously free media.

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    Source (none / 0) (#35)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:46:29 PM EST
    please

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    Running ads (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:51:27 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/gsd6un9

    Roves American Crosswords has run anti Hillary ads

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    Here (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:52:02 PM EST
    it talks about the Koch brothers supporting Sanders link They ran ads supporting Bernie along with Karl Rove.

    FEC problems. It seems every filing they have problems with his donations.

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    About those FEC problems (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Nemi on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 07:01:10 AM EST
    What happened to the previous notice from the FEC (PDF), response date March 17?

    Response date on this one (PDF) was up a couple of days ago, March 31.

    Did his campaign ever respond? Any consequences whether - or what - they responded or not? Anyone knows?

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    I don't (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 07:23:17 AM EST
    know. I know there was one person at least the last time that gave 5K in one pop to Bernie. What I can't believe is that his finance people are so inept or his software so shoddy that it took the FEC to point out that problem.

    The latest letter he has until May to respond. There's a question of a millions of dollars coming out of Washington DC with no name attached.

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    Please ? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:53:34 PM EST
    Karl Rove's PAC has  been running pro Sanders ads since last year.

    Sanders = Nader

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    Do try (none / 0) (#39)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:54:16 PM EST
    To keep up

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    You asked for sources. Then provided (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:10:46 PM EST
    your own and disparaged those provided by others. Bad form.

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    Hey go Bernie! (none / 0) (#30)
    by smott on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 04:43:00 PM EST
    All the better for Trump

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    I am shocked to learn (none / 0) (#41)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:06:42 PM EST
    there is gambling in the back room.  Wait, I am shocked to learn the Republicans are attacking Hillary.

    Bottom line is still Hillary is far behind Bernie in number of folks contributing to the.

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    Doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:45:42 PM EST
    matter though. Bernie has way outspent Hillary for mediocre results. But if the GOP wants to throw money away well, it won't be the first time they've done it. The irony is for all the complaints about money in politics it's the ones with all the money that are the ones having all the problems.

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    Guccifer's first court apperance (none / 0) (#44)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:33:11 PM EST
    Interesting to see the outcome of this.

    His release of the Sid/Hillary email was the first public news of Hillary's private email server.  He is charged with hacking into nine high profile accounts, but as far as we know not Hillary's account.  On the other hand once it became public knowledge Hillary had a private server one might reasonably believe it would become a hacker target.

    Sounds a little like (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:39:23 PM EST
    What is your point (none / 0) (#50)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 05:50:23 PM EST
    Guccifer clearly exposed Sid's email to Hillary which contained sensitive information.  It was the first public news report of Hillary's private email server.

    While Guccifer may be a kook he clearly has skills in hacking not just Sid, but several other high profile pols.

    Making Hillary's server public made it a target for hackers world wide.

    Is anything in this post something you think is incorrect.

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    Guccifer didn't hack the Clintons' server. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:52:03 PM EST
    According to the Yahoo! article, he hacked Blumenthal's account:

    "According to the indictment, Lehel 'hacked into the email and social media accounts of high-profile victims, including a family member of two former U.S. presidents, a former U.S. Cabinet member, a former member of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former presidential advisor,' the statement said." (Emphasis is mine.)

    You can "reasonably believe" all you want. There's thus far been no evidence to suggest that the security of the Clintons' server was compromised.

    Too bad we can't say the same for the State Dept. and OPM.

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    Will Fields face charges? (none / 0) (#51)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:02:48 PM EST
    A member of Trump's Secret Service protection said Fields actually made contact with Trump and was warned twice not to touch him again.

    Not a source I know a lot about, but it does raise larger issues.

    First just how far should the SS go in protecting pols.  We all saw the hard take down of the guy who rushed Trump.  What ROE does the SS use in escalating from asking twice to not touch someone to three big strong guys forcing someone to comply.

    From the other side how far should pols be allowed to go in letting public/press get close to them.  For better or worse Trump seems to love to get in the mix of things with walk up crowds.  Hillary has been accused of staged public events that screen all those who come in contact with her.  Should Trump be allowed to make it harder on the SS while Hillary makes it easier.

    Of course the press loves what Trump does because there is a chance of news while Hillary's events are more likely to be more of the same.

    Glad I don't have to do a cost/benefit analysis of how pols/SS/public/press are allowed to interact.

    If that is true (none / 0) (#54)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 06:12:01 PM EST
    This case goes no where

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    Female lawyer unfairly criticized for defending (none / 0) (#74)
    by McBain on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 09:53:33 PM EST
    Canadian celebrity Jian Ghomeshi in rape trial.

    In a remarkable interview with Henein this week, CBC anchor Peter Mansbridge read several scathing Facebook postings: "Brave Marie Henein, you've just set women's rights and rights of assault victims back 70 years." "You are on the wrong side of history." And "feels like a betrayal from a sister."

    After the accusers were shown to have lied on the stand and had colluded with each other, the judge found Ghomeshi not guilty. Apparently, one of the accusers is a victim's rights advocate.

    On the stand they undercut their own credibility and the Crown's case to such an extent that Horkins could not find Ghomeshi guilty. It wasn't the result the complainants' supporters hoped for.

    Why wasn't Henein praised for successfully defending her client? It's ridiculous to believe that a woman shouldn't defend a man accused of rape.

    This is what Ghomeshi was accused of doing.  

     

    They didn't lie about their encounters. (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 01:46:17 AM EST
    Rather, the judge determined that they misled the court regarding their conversations with one another. From MacLean's:

    "The trial heard that years later, [Complainant No. 3] and [Lucy] DeCoutere [Complainant No. 2] became friends after allegations began surfacing about Ghomeshi in late 2014. The woman initially said they didn't discuss their allegations against Ghomeshi but admitted under cross-examination that they actually did, while also talking about their shared contempt of him before and after they went to police."

    They were wrong to have done so, and he made the correct decision regarding the case's final disposition. Rules are rules and the law is the law.

    For those people who whine that Jian Ghomeshi's female attorney betrayed womanhood by defending him, that argument is so patently silly on its face that it's really not even worth acknowledging.

    The complaints about Jian Ghomeshi's alleged behavior sound an awful lot like those recently leveled against adult film star James Deen by a number of his fellow video performers:

    "Yes, Stoya could be lying. So could Tori Lux. So could Joanna Angel, Ashley Fires, Amber Rayne, Kora Peters, Nicki Blue, Lily LaBeau and all the other women who have accused James Deen of rape, assault and mental abuse. As a journalist, I have to consider that possibility, and so do you. He has denied the allegations. But the fact is that rape is common. Far too common. False allegations of rape are not common."

    [...]

    "In almost every community I've been part of in the last few years, this story has played out. Serial abusers are finally confronted, no matter how powerful and popular. Women speak up together, and they are believed. The community struggles to readjust. Divisions occur, arguments erupt and friendships change. Change this profound is always painful. But so is silence."

    [...]

    "The uncomfortable truth is not that women are lying en masse about rape -- they're not -- but that women and girls and their allies are finally speaking about their experiences in numbers too big to ignore. The even less comfortable truth is that many of these experiences involve behavior that men and boys grow up believing are not criminal. The same rape culture that raises women to believe that it is their fault if they were assaulted raises men to believe the same thing. Men learn, because culture tells them, that women's sexual autonomy is a barrier to be conquered -- that sex is something they are supposed to get from women. Boys will be boys. The little boys who grow up hearing that mantra repeated learn that they need not take responsibility for their actions."

    Aloha.

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    How do you know they didn't lie about (none / 0) (#103)
    by McBain on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 11:33:51 AM EST
    their encounters?
    But the fact is that rape is common. Far too common. False allegations of rape are not common

    How common is rape? Hard to say.  Each allegation should be taken seriously but not automatically assumed true. We keep hearing about how rare false allegations are yet they seem very common in high profile cases.  I wonder why that is?

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    None of this is "hard to say" (none / 0) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Apr 03, 2016 at 02:39:26 PM EST
    My husband teaches SHARP in the Army. False rape allegations account for 3% of rape reports.

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    Bernie not on DC ballot (none / 0) (#75)
    by scaspersr on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 10:12:15 PM EST
    Funny how no one is talking about how the D N C did not get Bernies paperwork in on time, We all Know who the D N C has wanted from the stater. The Hell with what the people may want, it sounds a lot like what is going on over with the R N C, not wanting Trump, tho clearly the people are voting for him. This is why the people are fed-up with both parties, November2016 may have a big surprise for both these parties.Wouldn't that just shake-up Washington if a third party won big.

    Or, perhaps the Sanders campaign ... (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 01:08:02 AM EST
    ... simply failed to submit the required paperwork on time. Not everything can be attributed to conspiracy. Sometimes, it's a matter of a lack of foresight in not fulfilling the clearly stated requirements.

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    It's the local Dem Party's fault (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by jbindc on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 06:08:37 AM EST
    But it will be resolved and Bernie will be on the ballot, rest assured.

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    That's good. (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 03:36:23 PM EST
    Bernie Sanders was not yet a member of the Democratic Party when he applied to get on the ballot for our caucuses out here (which are actually a series of presidential preference polls conducted by precinct and district), even though Hawaii state law specifically requires all candidates for public office to be members in good standing of the party for which they are declaring. We allowed him to be placed on the ballot anyway. It was the right thing to do.

    Aloha.

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    News from Westros (none / 0) (#78)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 01, 2016 at 10:31:40 PM EST
    link

    For humor impaired:

    "Martin, on the other hand, failed to answer the complaint, although he did file multiple pro se motions for extensions of time to do so. His final filing on the docket was a motion for leave to exceed page limitations."

    You're the one who's playing politics here. (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 02, 2016 at 04:19:39 PM EST
    So what if David Axelrod once worked in the City Hall bureau for the Chicago Tribune 35 years ago, when Jane Byrne was mayor? (And since you didn't bother to disclose either his former position or when he actually worked at the Tribune, I will.)

    That's an irrelevant point, by which you're attempting to infer that he somehow had undue influence over the stories that his former employer printed, without having to actually provide any evidence of such.

    No, the Ryans' divorce proceedings were acrimonious, and Jeri Ryan was a TV star. It was news when they first split up. She disclosed his sexual proclivities to her friends, as well as her reasons for divorcing him and seeking sole custody of their then-7-year-old son. And those people talked. There are no secrets in either politics and Hollywood, especially when one is running for a high-profile office such as U.S. senator.

    That's why Jack Ryan's own party leaders first questioned him about those stories when he first announced his candidacy. He chose to mislead them. Once he became the GOP nominee, the Tribune went looking for verification of his ex-wife's tale, and quickly tracked it down in L.A.

    I'm done discussing this with you. Call me when you finally decide to have an honest discussion.

    Aloha.