Saturday Open Thread

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Posted on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 09:48:00 AM EST
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Republicans are convening in Burlingame, CA this weekend. Updates here. There were Trump protests and a few arrests. Trump and Kasich spoke (Kasich is staying in.) Cruz and Fiorini will speak tomorrow.

Trump said it would be nice for Republicans to unify, but if they don't, he will still win and he doesn't much care:

Could I win without it? I think so, to be honest, I think so," he said. High-profile Republicans such as Jeb Bush, he continued, may not support him in the general, but he brushed that off as a minor issue. "Big deal, like I care. OK?"

"Again, ideally, we're going to be together," Trump said. "I think I will win even if we're not together. I mean there are some people, I honestly don't want their endorsement. I just don't want it ... It's not going to have any impact on whether or not we beat Hillary Clinton. It's not going to have any impact. But most of the party has to come together."

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Remember the woman whose fetus was cut out from her womb by a woman who had posted an ad for free maternity clothes on Craig's List? She was sentenced yesterday to 100 years in prison. Her defense was not based on insanity, but lack of intent to kill the pregnant woman. The defense argued she acted spontaneously. (There was no murder charge because the prosecution didn't prove the fetus was born alive.)

Hopefully, someone has something happier to comment on. This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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'something happier to comment on." (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by desertswine on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 11:30:39 AM EST

Here's something new of a rather neither here nor there nature. The House passes a resolution naming the bison the "national mammal" Who said that they couldn't do anything?
I'm not sure what this means for the future of the bison. Maybe something good.

I think the official GOP mammal ... (none / 0) (#4)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 02:55:14 PM EST

... should be the weasel. At first glance many people think weasels are cute, but they're actually mean and bloodthirsty, fearless to the point of foolhardy, and can be prone to bite off more than they can chew.
;-D


And, for the 2nd time, a weasel (none / 0) (#5)
by ExPatObserver on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 02:59:15 PM EST

shut down a particle accelerator (first time was in Waxahachie).
The weasel is a nice idea, but I have to say that the GOP reminds me more of the last opossum I saw.


I saw that story from Switzerland yesterday. (none / 0) (#7)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 06:00:01 PM EST

The poor thing was gnawing on a cable and electrocuted itself, short-circuiting the entire plant in the process. It's estimated to be offline for up to three weeks while repairs are being made.

I never saw any weasels while growing up in Pasadena and exploring the San Gabriel Mountain foothills. But there was certainly plenty of their close cousins around, the striped skunk. When I was in high school, there was a mated pair of them that would make the daily rounds in our immediate neighborhood just after sundown. We'd often see them in our neighbor's well-foliated front yard, digging around underneath the bushes for grubs, worms, potato bugs and other delectable edibles.

That's how I learned first-hand that baby skunks pack just as potent a wallop as their parents, when my dog flushed out one of their offspring in our back yard. Before I could pull her away, the little guy turned tail and let us both have it, right in the kisser. To describe the experience as breathtaking really fails to do that experience proper justice.

There are also opposums around, too. In fact, when we were in Pasadena last Thanksgiving, I had to chase one out of my mother's garage. I guess it ambled in when she left the door open, and got trapped in there when she shut it. Anyway, she went into the garage for something and the animal hissed at her from the top of a shelf. They sure are plug-ugly creatures.

Aloha.


: In the Florida Keys (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by KeysDan on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:24:25 PM EST

it is not uncommon for the power to go off; a frequent cause is an iguana caught up in the the switches.

Terribly unfair to weasels to suggest (none / 0) (#11)
by Molly Bloom on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 06:49:02 PM EST

they carry the awful burden of being the GOP official mammal given the GOP currently includes the likes of Trump, Cruz, Louie Gohmart (who I admit does look like a varmint), Palin, Bachman, Little Boots, Newt and in the past has included Thurman, Jesse Helms, and of course Tailgunner Joe....


: The GOP could have an official rodent, too. (none / 0) (#18)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 08:16:10 PM EST

I nominate the lemming.

It should be good news for Bison (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by fishcamp on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 12:22:41 PM EST

Hopefully there will be more funds available to monitor their health and welfare. Buffalo are very susceptible to the disease Brucellosis, as are pigs, elk, wild goats, dogs, and even people. It comes from tainted meat and infected mother's milk. It can wipe out a herd of Buffalo rapidly. Buffalo eat anything.

On the drive from Denver to Aspen there is a pull off place to view a big herd of Bison. You just stand and stare at them while they stare back. Since the possession of only one eagle feather is a federal offense, I wonder what will happen to all the Buffalo head and horn mounts in many bars, hotels, and other locations throughout the West?

How did (none / 0) (#3)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 01:53:40 PM EST

the shirt go over with the guys at the gym?


: The Hillary shirt at the gym (none / 0) (#28)
by fishcamp on Sun May 01, 2016 at 06:45:57 AM EST

turned out to be quite funny. One of the other guys had his Trump T shirt on so we all had a good laugh.

When I was at Yellowstone, (none / 0) (#14)
by desertswine on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 07:27:35 PM EST

tourists would try to put their kids on the backs of bison, in order to get good pictures. Unbelievable but some people don't understand how powerful these guys are.


: Ah-HAH! (none / 0) (#34)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 12:39:14 PM EST

So, that was YOU in that clip I saw from Ken Burns' national parks documentary, feeding candy bars to the bears.
;-D

: Bison can be dangerous animals (none / 0) (#36)
by fishcamp on Sun May 01, 2016 at 12:47:39 PM EST

Up in South Dakota they have a famous Buffalo roundup with the governor and other celebrities riding horses. Buffalo don't like horses, and will charge them to knock them down and stomp them. My friend up there said they keep Buffalo in line with whips. I guess once a Buffalo has been touched by a whip it only takes the snap noise to keep control. I believe that one.

Jazz at the White House on TV tonight. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by caseyOR on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 04:10:49 PM EST

The Obamas hosted a Jazz at the White House performance last night. ABC will broadcast parts of that performance tonight at 7 pm (CDT).

UPDATE: ABC-TV is broadcasting "Jazz at the White House" tonight (Saturday, 8pm ET). The one-hour prime time special features highlights from an event taped Friday night, hosted by President and Michelle Obama. Billed as an "all-star global concert", artists include Aretha Franklin, Herbie Hancock, Sting, Diana Krall, Trombone Shorty, Pat Metheny, Al Jarreau, Wayne Shorter and more. How cool is that?

It looks like a good show.

We've been watching ... (none / 0) (#13)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 07:23:48 PM EST

... Ken Burns' 6-part documentary "The National Parks: America's Best Idea" on PBS this week. I noticed on the credits that it first aired in 2009. I don't know how we missed it back then, but I'm really glad we're catching it on the rebound. The story of our U.S. National Park Service, how it came into being and how it evolved, is simply fascinating on so many levels.


I LOVED watching that back in 2009 (none / 0) (#29)
by Cashmere on Sun May 01, 2016 at 10:13:23 AM EST

I LOVED watching that back in 2009. On a mission to visit many. I have sabbatical this summer (2 months off!!) and we plan to see a few. Taking a road trip and can't wait!!!


That sounds like a lot of fun. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:20:42 PM EST

We live only 30-45 minutes away (depending on traffic) from Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, so we bought our annual pass for the very first time. It saves us the now-$20 entry fee one otherwise has to pay for each park visit. (It goes up further to $25 next year.)

If you plan on visiting more than one park this summer, I would recommend that you spend the $80 for the annual pass, which is valid for all federal parkland areas which charge admission.

We're headed to Cedar City, UT in three weeks to attend our nephew's graduation from Southern Utah University, so we're going to take advantage of its close proximity to the two parks at Zion and Bryce Canyon.

Afterward, we'll be in Southern California to attend the high school graduation of my late cousin's twins down in Carlsbad, and we're going to visit Channel Islands National Park, which you can reach via tour boat out of Ventura. I've already made the reservations. All these years, and I've never been there, even though I grew up in nearby Pasadena and the islands are just offshore. We would sail by them on my stepfather's boat when we'd go to Santa Barbara, but never made landfall.

What parks are you planning to visit on your road trip?


I am still working on the plans now! August 1 (none / 0) (#40)
by Cashmere on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:43:09 PM EST

is the start. I know I am a bit delayed. We plan to tent camp mostly. I have been to Zion (fabulous) and also Canyonlands and Arches. It is a wonderful area. I've also been to the Volcano Nationals Park - Love the big island. We took an open air helicopter tour when we were there. Breathtaking.

Thanks for the park pass tip!


FYI, I grew up in Oregon (Portland) and only saw (none / 0) (#41)
by Cashmere on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:50:31 PM EST

Crater Lake for the first time 5 years ago. I am 52!. I traveled a lot when I was younger, but never bothered to see my own state. Now we have taken many road trips throughout Oregon, even have a house in Baker City that we plan to retire to in about 10 years. Eastern Oregon is wonderful. We have the Wallowa, Blue, and Elkhorn Mountains, beautiful valleys, the Steens Mountains, Malheur Wildlife Refuge (in the news this year as you might know), Owyhee Canyonlands, and more. Of course I love the Cascade Mountains (Mt. Hood in particular), the Columbia Gorge, and all of Oregon west of these mountains to the beautiful Pacific Ocean. So proud of our wonderful state. If anyone has a chance to explore Oregon, I highly recommend doing so.


: Oregon is a beautiful state. (none / 0) (#43)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 08:37:51 PM EST

My favorite part is the coast between Astoria and Cannon Beach. I have a nephew who lives in Bend, OR and works for the fire department. His wife is originally from there, and he really likes it. I have two clients in nearby Redmond, so I visit them whenever I'm in the area, which is about twice a year. I'll be up there again in late July. It should be quite warm, given that it's on the edge of Oregon's High Desert. Most people are surprised to learn that about 40% of the state is actually desert.

Also, if you're planning to camp, ... (none / 0) (#45)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 08:52:46 PM EST

... please be advised that many parks, national forests and other federal recreation areas now require reservations for a campsite. Here's the one-stop federal website for the National Recreation Reservation System which you can use to make them when you start finalizing your plans.

Who said government is inefficient? ;-D


Donald, that's a very good website. (none / 0) (#48)
by fishcamp on Mon May 02, 2016 at 07:24:55 AM EST

Thanks for sharing. I still own 15 acres of land in Oregon. It's adjacent to a state campground on Blue River, which is the north fork of the McKenzie river, and about 50 miles from Eugene. My grandparents homesteaded there with a section of land, which is 640 acres, or a square mile. My grandparents had to let some 35 acre parcels go to the Feds for taxes during WWll. Then they decided to build a dam and flood hundreds of acres of beautiful land for flood control. After finishing the dam they admitted it did nothing to control floods. So if anyone wants to camp on my land I hereby give permission, and I'll send you a signed note. Like that would do any good.


Want to sell any of it? (none / 0) (#49)
by CaptHowdy on Mon May 02, 2016 at 08:36:55 AM EST

Howdy, I should just give you the land, (none / 0) (#53)
by fishcamp on Mon May 02, 2016 at 11:09:12 AM EST

since my cousin, can't seem to get his butt into The Lane County courthouse with all the signed documents, to make it his land. You wouldn't like it there in the winter with the rain and snow. It's at 6,000 feet elevation. Cold and dreary.


Actually it sounds absolutely perfect (none / 0) (#55)
by CaptHowdy on Mon May 02, 2016 at 11:10:55 AM EST

I sent you an email. I'm totally serious.


Is this land in the Cascades, fishcamp? (none / 0) (#56)
by caseyOR on Mon May 02, 2016 at 01:43:33 PM EST

Or in the Coast Range?


I believe it's in the Cascades (none / 0) (#57)
by CaptHowdy on Mon May 02, 2016 at 02:19:43 PM EST

I was already planning the move and he decided it was too much trouble.


Cascades casey... (none / 0) (#58)
by fishcamp on Mon May 02, 2016 at 06:12:21 PM EST

Sounds like a song title from the 50's. (-:


Is the land by the town of Blue (none / 0) (#59)
by caseyOR on Mon May 02, 2016 at 06:19:41 PM EST

River? Off Rt. 126? One of my favorite road trips is the drive all the way across Oregon from the Idaho border to the Pacific Ocean on Rt. 126.

It is beautiful up there, but the winters can be miserable. Snow snow and more snow topped with rain. IIRC, Rt. 126 is sometimes closed due to winter weather.

That said, it is an absolutely stunning part of the incredibly beautiful state of Oregon.


I can't believe not one of you mentioned (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by CoralGables on Mon May 02, 2016 at 07:12:08 PM EST

Depoe Bay...on a perfect day, the perfect tide, a nice wind off the ocean, and the spouting horns soaking the kids standing on the bridge. It's bleeping beautiful.


Yes Casey, my land is just (none / 0) (#63)
by fishcamp on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:38:05 AM EST

off Hwy 126 east of the town of Blue River. I didn't know that highway was that long and interesting. They do close McKenzie Pass every winter that I can remember. Belnap (sp) Hot Springs is up that highway and is fun to visit and soak in the thermal water. They get over ten feet of snow up there and that's why I don't think Howdy would like it.


Hwy. 126 is stunning. (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by caseyOR on Tue May 03, 2016 at 11:13:21 AM EST

it runs east to west right through the middle of Oregon becoming Hwy. 26 on the last leg from Eugene to the coast.. You go through several mountain ranges, the high desert, the Doug fir forests of the Cascades and end at the lovely coastal town of Florence.

By the by, Florence is the town I lived in when I first moved to Oregon. In those days it was a small fishing and logging town. The only fast food was a 1940s era A & W stand. The Paul Newman movie based on Ken Kesey's novel "Sometimes a Great Notion" was filled in the area, which is where the novel was set.

Florence is where the craggier North Coast gives way to the sand dunes of the central coast.

Damn, I miss Oregon. I have been close to tears reading and writing these comments about home.


: Love our state - Oregon!!! (none / 0) (#65)
by Cashmere on Tue May 03, 2016 at 12:08:14 PM EST

Hurry back! And, don't forget to stop in beautiful Baker City, where we will retire in about 10 years. I never thought I would leave Portland, but I am really ready to do it when we retire.

Thank you Donald for the link. (none / 0) (#50)
by Cashmere on Mon May 02, 2016 at 10:32:49 AM EST

Thank you Donald for the link.

FYI, I love Astoria to Cannon Beach. My family had a cabin in Seaside that we vacationed at in the summers when I was a child. Now, we mostly go to Seaview, Washington for our beach stays at a friend's beach house. Seaview is just across the Columbia from Astoria. So much to explore in the re


: Seaside, Oregon was the party (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by fishcamp on Mon May 02, 2016 at 10:45:51 AM EST

beach we all went to on weekends while in high school and college in Portland. It's a beautiful little beach town that happens to be there because the Lewis and Clark trail ends In Seaside, Oregon.

Motion visualization (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 07:32:20 PM EST

something cool to look at on a Saturday afternoon

I especially like Form Follows Time

Ok (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 07:34:51 PM EST

try this link


The first time I saw filtering (none / 0) (#32)
by Mr Natural on Sun May 01, 2016 at 11:26:24 AM EST

like that was in the Ron Harris Aerobicise videos in the early 80s. Back then I was told that it was called Quantel trail.

This effect is much advanced but it's still a function of a human's motion and like the Quantel trail it fades over time.

In the segment you mentioned, form follows time, you could see the slower joints being followed, the knees and hips, but do "they" even need a human's motion as the primary input anymore? Just wondering when actors will have been completely replaced by libraries of physical motion that can be strung together like keyframes in software able to synthesize any necessary transitions. In other words, when will actors be completely out of work?


: I expect it was done (none / 0) (#33)
by CaptHowdy on Sun May 01, 2016 at 11:34:00 AM EST

With motion capture. Which has become really easy. So yes, humans were still the source I expect.
As far as out of work, at this point it just means less work. Until they can synthesize voice. Of if they are doing motion capture of faces and such, like Avatar, way more work. At this point CG characters are still way more work for everyone. In the future..........?

Heartbroken to have just learned (5.00 / 5) (#20)
by Peter G on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 08:33:32 PM EST

that Fr. Daniel Berrigan, S.J., died today at 94. I had the privilege of serving as co-counsel for him and his co-defendants on appeal from their burglary convictions arising out of the first Plowshares action. Ultimately the convictions were affirmed, but we got Dan's sentence (and the others') reduced from ten years to time served, which in his case was three days. I will never forget the prosecutor approaching Dan after the resentencing with a copy of one of his books of poetry and asking him to autograph it for her, which he graciously did.

: For those who'd like to read more (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by Peter G on Sun May 01, 2016 at 12:40:41 PM EST

Here is an excellent obituary and tribute from John Dear, ex-SJ, Fr. Dan's protegee and editor.

: Peter (none / 0) (#22)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 09:15:14 PM EST

you should write a book one day along with Fishcamp. The two of you seem to have some amazing stories.

: Fr. Berrigan was a wonderful man. (none / 0) (#25)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 12:28:21 AM EST

Not surprisingly, he was from the same activist order as Pope Francis.

: That's quite an image, (none / 0) (#30)
by Mr Natural on Sun May 01, 2016 at 10:58:49 AM EST

a prosecutor asking for an autograph of the defendant's work. I'm guessing that she read it as part of her research, trying to understand who he was.
So small a fraction of who we are lives within the stereotypes.

RANT ALERT (again) (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by ragebot on Sun May 01, 2016 at 08:42:59 PM EST

Not the first time I have posted about how the sugar barons have bribed pols on both sides of the aisle to allow a flawed water policy to destroy Everglades National park, not to mention shore lines on Florida's East and West Coasts and big areas in the Florida keys.

Not only is this flawed policy doing environmental damage it is also raising US sugar prices about $US3.5 billion a year above the world sugar price due to quotas and price supports.

Nothing against bison (of which there is a herd in Paynes Prairie in Florida along with some original horses brought over by the Spanish in the 1500s) but they seem to be making something of a comeback. Sad to say this is not true of vast tracks of the Everglades and Florida Keys back country due to the sugar barons need to control the natural water flow from Lake Okeechobee South.

What happened in January of this year was 13 inches of rain fell instead of the normal 1-2 inches so a massive water release in the Lake Okeechobee water way (almost 3,000,000,000 gallons a day; yea that is billion) sent polluted water to both coasts. The result has been huge fish kills and sea grass die offs, not to mention water that is chocolate in color.

The simple solution would be for Obama to declare Lake Okeechobee an national monument and stop using it as a huge retaining pond. Congress (both dems and pubs) would need to stop sugar subsidies and end quotas on foreign sugar. ACE also needs to stop favoring the sugar barons over the people of Florida who voted for $US750,000,000 to buy land South of Lake Okeechobee so the normal flow could be restored.

By the by the release has raised the level of the Lake Okeechobee Waterway around 2 feet so my sailboat which has a 52'10" mast can no longer pass under the 54' bridge I need to get by to get to open water. So this is personal for me.

I have to wonder why no pols (with the exception of a few local ones) don't get on this bandwagon. It is clear from the vote by Florida voters to buy land and restore the natural flow this is a popular position. Seems like too many pols on both sides have been bought off by the sugar barons.

And sugar makes a much better (none / 0) (#47)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 01, 2016 at 10:24:02 PM EST

and much cheaper source for ethanol when compared to corn.


Agreed, jim (none / 0) (#52)
by fishcamp on Mon May 02, 2016 at 10:59:48 AM EST

Basically all the cars in Brazil run on ethanol made from sugar cane, and have for many years. Why can't we figure these things out?


: Oh, I think we have. We just don't want (none / 0) (#61)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 02, 2016 at 09:30:01 PM EST

to face up to the retrofit cost of increasing the alcohol content above 10% just when most of the cars on the road can now handle the 10% without big time problems under the hood.

Price of Sugar in the (none / 0) (#54)
by ragebot on Mon May 02, 2016 at 11:10:41 AM EST

US is about twice the world price. Not only does the US impose quotas on imported sugar there is also a price support program to keep prices in the US higher than world prices.


: And it takes a ton of water. (none / 0) (#62)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 02, 2016 at 09:33:22 PM EST

But unless the President pushes this won't change.

COUNTDOWN (none / 0) (#8)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 06:28:46 PM EST

Watching an interesting movie on TCM. Countdown. 1967. Robert Duvall and James Caan. Other actors you will recognize. Not a great movie but not a bad one. Just interesting to see these two great actors so young in a movie I never heard of.
Also an great time capsule of fashion hair style and customs. Smoking on airplanes and before Duvall had his teeth fixed.

Listed as science fiction but lots of real NASA backgrounds. From my experience on Apollo 13 I would say reasonably realistic.

One person (none / 0) (#9)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 06:43:06 PM EST

You would recognize is Ted Knight from MTM


Oh (none / 0) (#10)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 06:44:31 PM EST

And the host just said directed by Robert Altman.

Not his best.


: The host also mentioned that it was Altman's (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Mr Natural on Sun May 01, 2016 at 11:02:08 AM EST

first gig outside of TV. It had the pace of a tv show, whatever that means. I'm not being critical. What else could he do with that script?

For good stories, there's none better in sports .. (none / 0) (#12)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 07:03:49 PM EST

... right now than this season's improbable and meteoric ascent of the Leicester City Foxes in England's Premier League, a perennial ne'er-do-well team that long epitomized sporting mediocrity, yet now finds itself but one victory away from the club's very first championship in its entire 122-year-long history.

How bad has Leicester City -- pronounced "Less-ter" -- been all these many decades? Well, the Foxes' previous best season was a runner-up finish 87 years ago in 1928-29. And last season, they were exactly where they've most always been found without exception or fail, dead last in the standings.

To put this shocking turn of events in real perspective, oddmakers at the beginning of the 2015-16 season had pegged Leicester City's chances of winning it all at 5,000-1, which in gaming parlance is "OMG! LOL! Are you tripping on acid?" By comparison, Major League Baseball's fabled "Miracle Mets" were merely a 100-1 shot to win the World Series in 1969.

But if the Foxes can knock off Manchester United tomorrow, the 2015-16 title will be theirs outright. And for their long-suffering and now very nervous fans, tomorrow likely can't come soon enough.

Godspeed to the Foxes.

: Final: Leicester City 1, Manchester United 1. (none / 0) (#46)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 09:13:25 PM EST

The tie helps the Foxes, since there's now only one team left with a chance to catch them in the standings, and that's Tottenham Hotspur. And for Tottenham to keep hope alive, they have to win outright at defending champion Chelsea. If they lose or tie, Leicester City wins the title. But even if they somehow win, Leicester City can clinch the title at home next Saturday with a win or tie.

Pete wilson endorses (none / 0) (#17)
by oculus on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 08:07:16 PM EST

Cruz. Klan endoreses Trump.

: Pete Wilson! LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 08:19:04 PM EST

Four words: Worst. California. Governor. Ever.

: Klan endorses Trump, (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by KeysDan on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:28:59 PM EST

again.

: Which endorsement (none / 0) (#21)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 08:42:33 PM EST

is worse?

Might have to vote for Trump.... (none / 0) (#23)
by magster on Sat Apr 30, 2016 at 11:23:19 PM EST

... because Clinton said she "could care less" about Trump's insults. When you say you could care less, you mean you could, indeed, care less. What you should say is you couldn't care less. And, thus, since she has expressed herself in a way that offends one of my biggest pet peeves, I shall vote to doom the country to President Trump because that is the lesser of two evils. And, so help me, if she says "irregardless" then I'm going off the grid and living in a bunker.

I hear ya, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 01, 2016 at 12:26:18 AM EST

... I fear that particular grammar patrol is a skirmish line for a losing battle. Old habits die hard.
;-D


I could care less about your (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by ExPatObserver on Sun May 01, 2016 at 01:39:42 AM EST

peeve---and I definitely would care less, if you would promise to vote for Clinton.


: Ain't gonna do it (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by jbindc on Sun May 01, 2016 at 06:02:15 AM EST

Can't join you, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by FreakyBeaky on Sun May 01, 2016 at 04:19:03 PM EST

... if she says "less" when she means "fewer," I will.
