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Indiana Exit Polling and Results

Here's a thread for Indiana results. Indiana is in two time zones, so some polls close at 6 pm and others at 7pm.

CBS early exit polling for Republicans:

Early exit polling data finds a majority of Indiana GOP primary voters are angry or dissatisfied with the federal government: 34 percent said they were "angry" and 50 percent said they were "dissatisfied." (Only 14 percent said they were "satisfied" with their government.)

And outsider status is important to Indiana's voters: 59 percent said they want the next president to "be outside politics," compared with 36 percent said it was more important to "have political experience." More than half of GOP voters, 53 percent, said they felt "betrayed" by the Republican Party.

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On the Democratic side (don't click, autoplay video.):

Preliminary exit polls show a plurality of voters in the Democratic race named the economy and jobs as the most important issue for them in Indiana. Nearly two-thirds said Wall Street hurts the economy while just under a third said it helps it.

Twenty-seven percent of Democratic primary voters said Hillary Clinton has attacked Bernie Sanders unfairly while 19 percent said the same about Sanders attacking Clinton.

Exit polls also show that nearly three-quarters expect Clinton to be the Democratic nominee while only 27 percent said the same about Sanders' chances. Half of Democratic voters in Indiana want to see the next president continue President Obama's policies and just over a third want more liberal policies.

Delegates, Democrats

Indiana allocates 92 delegates and they are awarded proportionally between the candidates that get at least 15 percent of the statewide vote. Because Indiana operates under an open primary system, any registered voter can cast a ballot in either the Democratic or Republican race regardless of party affiliation. This means independents can participate.

Delegates: Republican

Fifty-seven delegates are at stake in Indiana, with the lion's share going to the winner of the statewide vote: 30 of the 57 go to whoever wins the primary, while the remaining 27 are allocated based on the state's nine congressional districts. (It's also an open primary, meaning independents can vote in either the Democratic or Republican primary.)

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    Sanders wins (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:09:35 PM EST
    No body cares

    It sure (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:11:43 PM EST
    seems that way. The next thing out of their mouths was it's not enough because he's got win primaries by something like 67%.

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    That's because he's still toast. (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:48:20 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton should henceforth simply ignore Lord Bernie and the Lady Jane. Given, as Jeralyn noted above, that 27% of Indiana Democrats somehow believe that she attacked him unfairly, even though she hasn't run a single negative ad against him anywhere this entire primary season, there's really nothing to be gained here by acknowledging his presence. Hillary's going to be our nominee, and the Sandernistas best get used to it.

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    It's past time for Dem leadership (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Towanda on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:12:54 PM EST
    to remind Bernie about his call to primary Obama.

    It's past time to talk to him about primarying him.

    Republicans now have their nominee and can work on unifying . . . while Sanders, with the attacks, keeps widening the split in the Democrats.  

    The GOP is already in the GE, and Dems are not.  Not good.

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    While she ignores him, and all those superdelegates should sit him down for a "Come to the Lord" moment.

    As far as Republicans are concerned, I think they probably have their work cut out for them. As I noted in an earlier thread, recent polls show that roughly 40% of Republican voters find Donald Trump to be unfit and unacceptable as their party's nominee.

    That's an astonishingly huge number of their own party base. The last major party candidate to have faced internal opposition like that when on the cusp of clinching the nomination was George McGovern, back in 1972.

    And even if the Republicans manage to somehow drive down those numbers and reduce that percentage by half, that still leaves one in five GOP voters -- some 12-13 million of them, if we base that on the 2012 presidential vote -- who may apparently be willing to break ranks and walk out.

    Frankly, when you also consider Trump's similarly astonishing negatives among women and minorities, he needs to draw 70% of the white male vote just to stand a chance. Uh-uh. That ain't gonna happen.

    So, for all our problems as Democrats with Bernie and Jane Sanders, I think that I'd still much rather be us than them right now.

    Aloha.

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    Yes, for the remaining (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:27:23 PM EST
    primaries, Mrs. Clinton has two opponents to consider, Sanders and a focused, Trump.  And, Sanders has a new, albeit unsolicited, supporter, for now.

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    The difference is (none / 0) (#139)
    by NYShooter on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:06:06 PM EST
    Trump beat his opponents, Hillary wants her's to surrender.

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    Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:14:05 PM EST
    has not once asked for Bernie to surrender(although many of her supporters have), Trump however repeatedly called for his supporters to quit. I know CDS is a terrible thing but try to focus on the facts.

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    He doesn't have to surrender, he already lost (5.00 / 4) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:21:52 PM EST
    Ah-Hah! So, that WAS her ... (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 04, 2016 at 03:33:05 PM EST
    ... they saw in the sky the other day!

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    In 2008, HRC conceded to now Pres Obama (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:26:45 PM EST
    when he was ahead by 4% (and, she was leading in the popular vote)...she could have fought through the convention, and divided the party. She didn't; she acted in the interests of the greater good.  Today, HRC is 11% of pledged delegates ahead of Sanders--and, she leads in the popular vote by close to 3 million--and yet Sanders really does show openly that his paramount interest is his position.  Fascinating.

    Now, we face the likelihood of a Trump Repub nomination ... and, we see Trump begin by quoting his new best bud BS.  In my not so humble opinion, B. Sanders is doing what ideologues do best ... i.e., he is saying to Democrats that he comes first, second, and third.  Whatever he is seeking--perfection, idolatry, fandom, his-way-or-the-highway--he is giving and affording Trump a free month to campaign directly against our putative (do the math) nominee to satisfy his own needs.  In the circumstances, it would seem that bona fides would call forth a reasonable attempt on his part to resolve the inevitable sooner rather than later so as not to make political life markedly easier for Mr. Trump.

    Look ... your antipathy towards HRC has been obvious for awhile. But, think about what President Obama has noted more than once: "The perfect is the enemy of the good."  HRC comes from a good place in demonstrated experience & intent ... what place does Trump occupy? The old creeping reality.

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    I can't find anything on the delegate split (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:06:05 AM EST
    I know it doesn't matter, but just for the record.

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    According to the HuffPo (none / 0) (#81)
    by RickyJim on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:50:08 AM EST
    Clinton leads Sanders 44-43 in Indiana when superdelegates are counted with 5 delegates not accounted for yet.

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    Per 538: As predicted in their model earlier (none / 0) (#171)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:29:46 PM EST
    HRC received 39 pledged delegates, and BS received 44 pledged delegates.

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    I care... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:41:22 AM EST
    it's meaningless, sure, but still nice to be reminded that the country is swinging left after years and years of Democrats falling over themselves to look and act like Republicans.

    Parent
    I'd feel a lot differently about it (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by CST on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:28:12 AM EST
    If this primary actually seemed like it was being fought over policy differences.  But we seem to have strayed pretty far from that these days.

    Parent
    It has been moving in that direction for a long (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:35:37 AM EST
    time - or else we would not have had 1 Obama administration, let alone 2. I know it is too slow for you, and me too for that matter. I am still not convinced Bernie jump-started anything.

    Parent
    I think the Great Recession, (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:00:39 AM EST
    Bailouts for thee but not for me, Occupy, and general economic frustration at running to stand still jump started the Bernie phenomenon, and Bernie drove the car into mainstream politics. And drove it rather well (imo), many others here disagree, but I think that's more Bernie-Hate/Hillary-Love talking. In hindsight I think we will all appreciate what Bernie accomplished once silly season is over.

    I think the personality/politics of destruction aspect vs. the issues thing that CST alludes to is probably inevitable in this racket... and both candidates have done as decent a job as expected on that front, though far from flawless.  Most of the bullsh*t comes from ardent supporters and over-exuberant campaign workers justifying their salaries with "results", not the candidates themselves.

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    Add... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:03:00 AM EST
    I think Obama was more about Bush fatigue, the wars & occupations, and the first black president than a nationwide leftward swing.  Obama's 2008 economic platform is nothing like Bernie's...or even Hillary's 2016 platform.

    Parent
    Weeelll...if you don't think that the (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:44:57 AM EST
    first black president would have happened without a nationwide leftward swing, regardless of the economy...I would have to disagree on that point!

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    You're right... (none / 0) (#97)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:50:31 AM EST
    I'm thinking strictly leftward economics...social issues the leftward swing began much sooner. I think that war is over on the federal level, and the bums lost!  Statehouses are another issue.

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    I think the proof is still yet to be had (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:47:03 AM EST
    Show me some house seats won on those issues and I will agree. A few primary victories do not convince me there is any lasting gain here.

    Parent
    The House... (none / 0) (#98)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:52:00 AM EST
    is so gerrymandered though, it doesn't make it much of an indicator.  

    Lets see if we can primary Chuckie Schumer's arse outta there in NY for the senate!  Then we're cooking with oil. ;)

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    Yes - that will be a leading indicator! (none / 0) (#119)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:14:58 PM EST
    as they say on the 'street'!

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    Not as far-fetched as it once was... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:21:45 PM EST
    look at how well Zephyr Teachout did trying to primary establishment fave Andy Lame-O in the NYS 2014 Governors race.  Much closer than anyone thought possible.  I think she's gonna win a House seat this year.

    Coolest name in politics too...who doesn't wanna vote for a person named Zephyr?

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:47:37 PM EST
    I like Teachout, too. But, like beer and brats, best together.

    Parent
    ... and that was because her opponent made a conscious decision to ignore her presence, letting her say whatever she wanted with little or no pushback.

    For all the media's attempts to paint a different and darker outcome for Gov. Cuomo ex post facto, other than what it really was, he still won easily by 30 percentage points. Teachout still lost. That race was not close and its outcome was never in doubt.

    Had Cuomo felt at all threatened, he'd have pulled out all the stops in an effort to turn Teachout into the political equivalent of roadkill, and would have probably succeeded given his advantages of incumbency and a huge campaign war chest. She'd have likely gotten the same 35% of the vote, but she'd have been thoroughly trashed and marginalized in the process.

    So, Ms. Teachout really hasn't been tested yet as a political candidate. When she finally is, that's when we'll see what she's really made of.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Sort of like ... (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:35:43 PM EST
    If HRC really felt threatened by Sanders in Indiana, she may well have campaigned there and spent some money doing so.  In actuality, tho, he is reported to have continued his spending streak by investing @2 Million while she spent zilch.

    Parent
    Well, kdog, does Trump (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:13:05 PM EST
    signify "swinging left" to you.  Populism has all different kind of flavors, you know.  And, I'm certain that over the next week or two, Trump will be quoting Sanders.  (It's not so simple as you would like to think when ideologues & autocrats get together ... the grass may be full of crabgrass rather than being greener.)

    Because HRC is at about 93% of the needed delegates, she will be the nominee under almost all potential circumstances.  So ... for heretofore Sanders' supporters, the thing to look at is whether Trump's telegraphed intent to utilize the unresolved situation we Dems still face to weaken the Democratic chances in November.  The latter matter is not simply theory ....

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    Nobody HERE cares (none / 0) (#142)
    by Steve13209 on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:29:35 PM EST
    It is the start of a short winning streak for Sanders, perhaps ending with a win in California. With Trump now the presumptive GOP candidate, I think Clinton looks a bit more vulnerable. He will rip her to shreds 24/7 on cable TV. It won't work with Clinton supporters, but there are many who just don't know which way to vote yet.

    Interesting exit polling in Indiana where 50% said they want to continue Obama's policies and only 33% wanting more liberal policies...yet Sanders won. Not sure what that mean...lying?

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    Bernie (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:32:46 PM EST
    is behind 19 points in California. KY is a closed primary.

    30% of the people that voted for Sanders said they wouldn't vote for him in a general election.

    Ted Cruz dropping out sucked all the oxygen from Sanders yesterday but the problem for Sanders is he has to 99% of what's left.

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    Approximately 1 in 5 Indiana voters (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:41:40 PM EST
    in the open Dem primary were reported to be Independents.  In this usually Red State, that might tell you something.  Plus: Sanders 2 mill while HRC conserved for the general might add a bit more context as well.

    Hey, if anyone has experience with various would-be powers trying to rip them "to shreds," I'd say HRC knows more than just about anyone how to play that hand (or card or argument.) In some ways, that is the strange beauty of it: Hillary Clinton knows how to parry and prevail against any manner of junk thrown at her ... can't say the same for anyone, anyone else in either party.

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    My brain is mud (none / 0) (#179)
    by sallywally on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:16:07 PM EST
    could that have made the difference?

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    Yes ... but, the past is only prologue (none / 0) (#188)
    by christinep on Thu May 05, 2016 at 09:13:53 AM EST
    Obama lost almost all the later (none / 0) (#182)
    by sallywally on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:36:03 PM EST
    primaries, etc., but won the election. This winning spate if it occurs on Sanders's part will not mean anything.

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    HRC (none / 0) (#191)
    by jbindc on Thu May 05, 2016 at 05:08:09 PM EST
    won 9 of the last 11 contests in 2008. She was much closer in delegates.

    It didn't matter - she couldn't catch up.

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    Sunshine state: HRC 13 points ahead of Trump (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:45:50 PM EST
    If that doesn't change its over.  

    Didn't Florida already (none / 0) (#57)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:50:52 PM EST
    hold its primary?

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    Yes but I am talking general (none / 0) (#59)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:10:50 PM EST
    87% of Florida Hispanic voters  anti Trump, among other findings.

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    Ah, really? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 03, 2016 at 11:46:33 PM EST
    Gosh, I wonder why.

    My father in-law is Mexican-American. He says point blank that any Latino who supports Trump is a moron -- "and I know very few Latino morons."

    Trump has shown a clear capacity to do for the national GOP, what Gov. Pete Wilson did for the California GOP by foisting Prop. 187 on the state in 1994, which singlehandedly galvanized the Latino vote to oppose both him and his party henceforth. CA Republicans have never really recovered from that blunder, and the attrition rate on their numbers over the last two decades has been brutal.

    ;-D

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    I thought General Election polling was useless (none / 0) (#143)
    by Steve13209 on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:30:57 PM EST
    at this point. That's what they say about Sanders polling better than Clinton against Trump. Let's try to be consistent.

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    Nobody (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:35:29 PM EST
    is saying that Sanders isn't polling better right now. What they are saying is that Sanders baggage has not been unleashed and that the GOP would be able to dispatch him in short order if he were the nominee due to said baggage.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#193)
    by jbindc on Thu May 05, 2016 at 05:20:48 PM EST
    It's comparing apples to oranges.  Until Bernie faces the buzzsaw that the Republican machine would throw at him, these polls don't mean anything, because despite that fact that WE are paying close attention to every word, event, policy, and news story, most people still aren't really that engaged - even if they voted already. My BF, a highly educated man who reads the NYT every day and many other outlets, and with whom I live and who sees me reading all this stuff and watching the political news on CNN every morning, did not understand the whole Sanders and superdelegates shenanigans until this morning.  We voted already.  I've talked about it, but he still wasn't paying that much attention. He just says that he knew Hillary would be the nominee last year, and all the rest of this is noise and he doesn't pay attention. He isn't in the minority in this country.

    So no, polls at this stage showing Bernie doing better against Trump mean absolutely nothing.

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    GE (none / 0) (#199)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 05, 2016 at 06:54:47 PM EST
    hypothetical head to heads are pretty worthless but Clinton supporters are  not using them as a reason to overturn the will of the voters.

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    PA, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin (none / 0) (#187)
    by Realleft on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:52:19 PM EST
    Are the most likely 2016 battle states.  Florida probably isn't even really in the mix.  Virginia might still be important though.

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    Elizabeth Warren: (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by oculus on Tue May 03, 2016 at 11:04:21 PM EST
    I'm going to fight my heart out to make sure @realDonaldTrump's toxic stew of hatred & insecurity never reaches the White House.


    Yeah, she has said (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Towanda on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:27:44 AM EST
    that she would do "everything" to win the White House.  But "everything" includes endorsement, not tweets.  

    And her prevarication has p*ssed off Sanders supporters as well as Clinton supporters -- including her women colleagues in the Senate -- so Warren's prevarication has made her a non-player now.

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    Sen. Warren is a policy wonk / advocate. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:07:05 PM EST
    She's not a political animal at heart. Speaking for myself only, I don't begrudge her decision to not endorse either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders at this point.

    And frankly, why should she? She doesn't owe anything to the online keyboardists of the 101st Virtual Battalion. And if some of them don't like it, well, that's just too damned bad because this campaign is not all about their personal desires, and they should really untwist their skivvies and panties because the resultant bulging eyeballs and spittle is not a pretty sight to behold.

    Elizabeth Warren will be there when it counts.

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    Agree (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:26:20 PM EST
    in my book EW is a true workhorse for the progressive movement(re. the economy)IMO Bernie is more of a show pony.

    I think Warren was wise not to endorse, as she will be one of the most valuable peacemakers available when all the dust has settled, her current neutrality will serve her well in that role.

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    Rule of thumb... (none / 0) (#112)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:01:55 PM EST
    when nobody on either side of a thing is happy with you, you're probably doing something right.

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    Senator Warren (none / 0) (#118)
    by Repack Rider on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:13:33 PM EST
    ...is one of the best senators I have ever seen.  She and Al Franken give me hope that intelligent people have a place in government.

    If Warren angers conservative nutcases... who cares? I haven't found her to be wrong on anything yet.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#135)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:54:49 PM EST
    and hopefully Feingold and many more will soon be there in the Senate to do the real work of the "revolution", that's where the real battles will be over the next couple of years in any case.

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    Fyi, Feingold endorsed Clinton (none / 0) (#174)
    by Towanda on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:29:49 PM EST
    eons ago and is working hard for her.  (I was at an event for him last week.)

    And, of course, Clinton is working for him.

    Other Dems in Congress . . . crickets, from what I've seen for Feingold.  

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    Members of House tend to worry most (none / 0) (#176)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:53:59 PM EST
    about their own seat and I have no problem with that. It does look like your other Wisconsin Senator is in his corner. There is no need to have anyone from outside Wisconsin speak up.

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    As for endorsing Clinton (none / 0) (#177)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:56:55 PM EST
    Baldwin was way out in front of Feingold on that one. Russ tried to stay out of it as long as he could by taking the Warren route.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#192)
    by jbindc on Thu May 05, 2016 at 05:11:59 PM EST
    I think her endorsement will not hold the power he once could have.  She was coy a little too long - she isn't the president who, by custom, waits until there's an actual winner, so as not to appear to be playing favorites.  If she endorses Bernie now, she looks foolish.  If she endorses HRC now, it might help with some Bernie supporters, but mostly at this point will be, "Meh.  Of COURSE she does."

    Parent
    And the GE has begun (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 03:15:16 PM EST
    And, lots of material (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 03:41:46 PM EST
    for rounds as far as the eye can see.

    Parent
    I saw that (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 03:39:56 PM EST
    earlier today and it made me laugh.

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    Called for Donald (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:01:14 PM EST
    Hillary leading with 7% in

    Called (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:06:25 PM EST
    for Trump, probable sweep for Trump.

    Parent
    By their count (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:08:17 PM EST
    He is now 200 short of the finish line

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    isn't clinton in about the same situation? (none / 0) (#165)
    by sallywally on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:31:14 PM EST
    no one ever mentions it in the media.

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    178 away (none / 0) (#167)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:05:54 PM EST
    Aprroximately 153 Supers Yet To Commit (none / 0) (#169)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:13:29 PM EST
    At the current distribution that's 142 more coming Clinton's way (probably more).

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    Pledged? (none / 0) (#183)
    by sallywally on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:39:56 PM EST
    The 178, I mean (none / 0) (#184)
    by sallywally on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:40:30 PM EST
    They all equal 1 vote (none / 0) (#185)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:54:23 PM EST
    There is no difference. 178 short counts all pledged and committed. Clinton actually gained 2 more superdelegates today.

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    They are saying (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:07:02 PM EST
    It looks like Donald might get all 57 delegates.

    He beat Ted with evangelicals

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    Sounds (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:24:55 PM EST
    like a repeat of SC for Trump.

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    Bernie speaking (none / 0) (#6)
    by sallywally on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:42:31 PM EST
    Race has not been called. It seems to be a complete tie, both at 50.0 percent.

    I wonder if he identifies himself with Old Testament prophets.

    By the Old Gods (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 06:48:02 PM EST
    And the New

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    What is dead may never die (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:26:09 PM EST
    Why not? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:21:36 PM EST
    He's certainly been sounding increasingly messianic of late.

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    Steve Schmidt (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:20:51 PM EST
    "The presidential debates in the fall will be the most watched TV broadcasts since the moon landing"

    I think that's probably true

    I can't even imagine (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:28:56 PM EST
    Maddow bet Schmidt (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:32:01 PM EST
    That Donald would refuse to debate.  Interesting idea.  I first thought it was nonsense but the more I think about it.....

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:35:03 PM EST
    I actually have wondered about that myself. He wouldn't be able to get away with the things he's been able to get away with in the GOP debates.

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    He would not (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:38:46 PM EST
    And it was mentioned that in the past they have not had the WWF audiences

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    That is probably true (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:39:50 PM EST
    He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by debating. No one can make him do it.

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    Schmidt insists (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:44:02 PM EST
    That is not in his nature.  I'm not so sure.

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    It would look pretty obviously cowardly (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:47:22 PM EST
    Maybe he would not want to try to spin it as an act of defiance.

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    Hillary could have a great time (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:49:31 PM EST
    Taunting him about being afraid of a girl

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    I floated that last week (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:57:00 AM EST
    There's no upside for him. If he attacks she'll play the "hurt feelings" card. If he doesn't she'll run over him.

    Trump should pound her hourly over the economy and the disaster she helped establish in the ME. She's already lost coal country all by herself.

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    Yeah, right. (5.00 / 3) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:26:15 PM EST
    Uh-huh, sure, Hillary Clinton is the root cause of all our problems in the Middle East.

    Says who, Jim -- you, the self-labeled "political independent" who cheered on that Republican-led disaster in Iraq from its very outset in 2002-03, defended the late Bush administration's subsequent use of torture, and shrugged his shoulders at the prospect of noncombatants becoming collateral damage in the crossfire?

    Stop insulting everyone's intelligence, and go sell crazy someplace else.

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    And you still leap (none / 0) (#105)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:46:42 PM EST
    into the cotton for brains discussion.

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    I know. (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    I can't resist temptation when I see a piñata dangling in front of like that, screaming "Hit me!" Why is the piñata screaming, Clarise? Thank you for once again reminding me that I have better things to do.
    ;-D

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    Uh, like I said (none / 0) (#164)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:19:56 PM EST
    I'm staying for desert so quit trying to run people off.

    Now this may be too simple for a self claimed expert on everything like you to grasp...

    But if you want roots you can go all the way back to Carter's midwifing the modern radical islamist movement, Reagan's ill advised Lebanon move, Bush not keeping the Iraqi army intact and Obama running away as fast as he could proceeded by his "apology tour", making the worst deal in the history of diplomacy with Iran, getting the Muslim Brotherhood installed in Egypt...and then there is Benghazi and Libya.. all tied to Obama and his Sec State Hillary....

    Who claims to have been named for the famous Sir Hillary years before he was famous...

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    That last attack is a new one, Jim, (none / 0) (#194)
    by Mr Natural on Thu May 05, 2016 at 05:46:31 PM EST
    but kudos for pointing out that we've endured an unending series of smug, self satisfied, clown posse caliber meddlers in the presidencies lately.

    They act like Tweakers - flying high on unlimited illusions of power, compulsively taking apart situations they don't understand, reassembling them as ruins.

    Snopes re your comment.

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    Let's hope... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:44:13 AM EST
    they let Jill Stein on the playground too, and not treat the presidential debates like an exclusive country club.  Give Trump the willies being surrounded by women outwitting him.

    If you're on a majority of ballots, you should be allowed to debate.  Period.

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    You (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:04:52 AM EST
    mean the Jill Stein that was "coronated" by a series of mostly closed primaries, caucuses and conventions? With 12 states remaining aren't you being very presumptive? I am very surprised that you would support the Green Party with such an "undemocratic" way of excluding non members from the process.

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    Hey man... (none / 0) (#91)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:18:43 AM EST
    I ain't joining the Green Party, if that's what you're thinking...gotta vote for somebody, time to change my mind but I'm pretty sure she'll be to the left of Hillary...and that's what I want to vote for. Or not voting is an option I've concerned, but I like the ladies who work my poll and I got an hour to kill on a November Tuesday, so what the hell.  

    Lord knows the sh*t ain't perfect, you go to the voting booth with the electoral process we have, not the one we would design if starting fresh...which would look nothing like this crap!

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    I agree (none / 0) (#92)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:25:26 AM EST
    that the process for choosing a president in this country is insane, but that "I voted" sticker does make a cool fashion accessory.

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    Well (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:47:42 AM EST
    I think she has to be polling at least 5% to be included. So it's unlikely.

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    Jill Stein is totally non-viable. (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:51:50 PM EST
    She couldn't even break 20% in a recent race for a seat in the Massachusetts legislature in a very liberal Boston district. She's Ralph Nader without the media savvy, and her presidential candidacies are nothing but vainglorious exercises in frivolous self-promotion.

    The Green Party epitomizes the old adage about all chiefs and no Indians. Stein and the rest of the party's so-called "leaders" will never amount to anything as a political force, so long as they continue to eschew the painstaking grunt work of actual party building and organizing. To that effect, they need to start going to where the voters are and engage them there directly, rather than expect those same voters to Google the party website, download and read their policy analyses, and then flock to them.

    Aloha.

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    Get real dog (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:59:47 PM EST
    Gary Johnson, pro legalization Gary Johnson, is on the libertarian ticket.  He might actuall get some traction in a Trump/Hillary race.

    When Trump won last night he was already tweeting invitations come come on board the sane train.


    Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, is polling in double digits against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a new Monmouth University poll. In the potential three-way race, Johnson garnered 11 percent of the vote, and, perhaps surprisingly, had a (slightly) more detrimental effect on Clinton than on Trump.

    That's from TOWNHALL so I didn't link.

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    If legalization (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:08:55 PM EST
    was my big issue that is who I think I would vote for.

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    I forgot about ol' Gary... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:09:51 PM EST
    I kinda like Gary, always have, he rang the drug war alarm long before it was hip to do so...like back when Bill Clinton had his unprecedented amp-up of the war on weed in the 90's.

    Jill has no chance of pulling any votes away from Hillary or Donald...but Gary does.  More liberal than Hillary in some ways, namely the way you and I appreciate, and more "true fiscal conservative" street cred than Trump.

    By all means, Gary Johnson should be included in any and all debates as well.  Regardless of poll numbers.  

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    Wasn't the polling threshold (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:17:44 PM EST
    For inclusion in the debates 10% last time?  I really don't remember.

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    Don't know... (none / 0) (#126)
    by kdog on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:25:57 PM EST
    all I know is what I think the threshold should be...name on the ballot.

    It's hard to get your poll numbers up when the media ignores you and you've got no money...it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.  If you don't debate you can't get your poll numbers up, if you don't get your poll numbers up you can't debate.  By design, I'm sure...don't wanna give us proles too many "choices" or highlight the ways the two major parties are too similar.

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    Well he has some name recognition (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:31:52 PM EST
    And some media savvy.  I expect he will manage to get some attention.  And he's in a legit party.

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    By my count (none / 0) (#130)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:40:07 PM EST
    There were at least 25 on the ballot in 2012 in one state or another. You may need more limitations. You make a rule that everyone on the ballot gets in the debate and my guess is the candidate list will top 100.

    In Florida we were lucky, we only had 12 on the presidential ballot in 2012.

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    Just saw Gary (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 05, 2016 at 06:03:08 PM EST
    On MSNBC with Chuck Terd

    He went right after Sanders supporters.

    I will see if it up yet.

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    It's up (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 05, 2016 at 06:23:26 PM EST
    I side with dot com (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 05, 2016 at 06:38:01 PM EST
    Here is the site Johnson mentioned in that interview.

    I side with dot com

    It's pretty cool.  You answer a bunch of questions and it tells you, based on their stated positions, which candidate best matches you.

    Johnson was third for me.  89%

    Hillary was second 92%

    The High Sparrow was first with 94%

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    My scores put me at (none / 0) (#200)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 05, 2016 at 08:45:56 PM EST
    99% with Sanders,

    97% with Clinton

    95% with Stein

    I have long said the policy differences between Hillary and Bernie are small, very small.

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    Ted is just (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:37:22 PM EST
    Rambling and rambling on and on, with dramatic pauses.

    Still waiting for a point.

    I usually can't stand listening to him but THIS with the inexplicable audience hoots is like a Firesign Theater bit.

    It sounds like he is dropping out (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:39:22 PM EST
    But he has not said it yet

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    He's out (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:40:37 PM EST
    Wow

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    wow, that is amazing (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:44:49 PM EST
    I applaud his realistic assessment of his chances. And I wonder if he is going to distance himself from this whole debacle starting now.

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    It would be sort of funny if they gave (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:46:59 PM EST
    It to Kasich now.  Wonder what he does

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    that's what I was wondering (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:50:03 PM EST
    If he can get Ted's delegates?  But I thought Trump was now on track to win on the first ballot?

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    He is (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:52:36 PM EST
    I was joking.  I guess.  Ben Ginsberg is saying the party still has to capitulate but I'm not sure what they do if he gets 1237 which it looks like he will top comfortably.

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    My guess (none / 0) (#26)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:56:06 PM EST
    Is that Trump and the Establishment have some long closed room conversations.
    I guess some conditions would be made, trying to rein in The Donald, to some extent, in return for some Party support

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    Trump doesn't need the partys support (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:00:43 PM EST
    Just just got the nomination without it.  If fact with the hair on fire opposition of a substantial segment of it.

    And good luck with the reigning in thing.

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    To actually (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:03:04 PM EST
    Win in November, he needs their support. Financial, organizational.
    The Establishment does have some cards to play.
    And Trump is so much closer to this than he ever imagined, you know , The Art of the Deal, to close the deal he needs some financial and organizational help.
    Who knows

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    Except. Ted deal making is suspect (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:21:52 PM EST
    And reigning him -I'll believe it when I see it for more Han 48 hours.

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    And he has it (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:06:20 PM EST
    Priebus just tweeted he is the nominee and we all need to fall in line.

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    They were just saying (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 07:55:37 PM EST
    Trump really needs a VP that brings the hard right along.  It would be a tit if he comes on and invites Ted to be VP.

    Hard to imagine after the venereal disease talk earlier today but stranger things have happened this year and probably are still to come.

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    Lots of surprises this go-round, but (none / 0) (#28)
    by christinep on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:01:44 PM EST
    I would be more than surprised to see Cruz ally with Trump.  It appears that Cruz has already started his distancing (as I suspected earlier today.) Kasich for 2nd? Or what about that Huntsman?  Yep, Jon Huntsman from Utah who said the other day that Repubs need to start getting themselves united by teaming up with Trump ... craven or what???

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    Kasich (none / 0) (#30)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:04:46 PM EST
    Would help him, not Huntsman.
    Rubio???

    Although Trump would most likely prefer a woman VP, don't know if there are any that would run with him

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    Carly (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:10:01 PM EST
    would take it I'm sure though he'd have to be constantly explaining that face comment if he picked her.

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    Well, now we know (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:15:25 PM EST
    why Cruz picked Fiorina on his team.  She was to be in charge of all the Cruz campaign lay-offs.  A specialty.  And, now the rest of us can look at a secret video of Fiorina's aborted vice presidential run, and observe the Cruz campaigner's legs kicking and their hearts beating fast.  

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    Huntsman...that would be a good choice (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:05:14 PM EST
    I was trying to think of a conservative that has some 'gravitas' and somewhat of a following but has not sullied himself in this mess (yet).

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    Oh no (none / 0) (#33)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:07:26 PM EST
    Almost half the Republican Party already think Trump is a Democrat, Huntsman is another.
    He would need someone with a conservative bent

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    Thanks for playing Trevor (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:13:28 PM EST
    Your 100% wrong record about this primary is intact

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    And? (none / 0) (#45)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:16:26 PM EST
    Trump has many Democrat positions, as did Huntsman.

    Thanks for playing

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    I guess (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:17:59 PM EST
    you could say even Republicans don't like conservative policy stances do they?

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    This was (none / 0) (#48)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:20:13 PM EST
    Not about policy.

    This was a total rejection of Establishment politicians.
    They promised conservative principles for 16 years, and never delivered,
    So why not elect the anti politician, he appears to be on board with some conservative positions.

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    But you yourself (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:37:08 PM EST
    said Donald was not a conservative. Donald is not even promising conservative stances in a lot of areas. Mostly he seems to just be tossing word salads like Sarah Palin but that's enough for most Republican voters.

    Did he ever find Obama's "real" birth certificate BTW?

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#58)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:05:01 PM EST
    Donald is not a conservative.
    But he pulled votes from groups that always voted conservative, people were fed up with conservative promises from conservative politicians, and never being delivered,
    decided to vote for the anti politician, who might just push a couple of conservative ideas.


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    Oh (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:34:30 PM EST
    well, enjoy your word salads. I hope they are tasty.

    The problem is the GOP has been conning these voters for a long, long time and they are now waking up to the fact that the GOP has been conning them. So therefore they are choosing another con man only he's different flavor of con man. The stuff the GOP has been promising like a return of the 1950's is something that could never happen. Once people gain rights you think it's gonna be easy to strip them away? I know the GOP has been trying mighty hard lately to do it though trying to keep those voters happy and it seems to all be for moot.

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    It is the (none / 0) (#67)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:54:28 AM EST
    Old expression

    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice,

    Shame on me.

    Republican politicians have fooled conservative voters for 16 years,

    Most of those voters have said, enough of politicians, we will try someone who has gotten some things done.

    You may well be right, they chose another con man, the big difference, he is not another Republican politician.

    Besides, they will never find out anyway, Right? I heard Madame Sec is already measuring the drapes.

    But they did send a message to the Party Establishment

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    Trevor (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:01:37 AM EST
    as far as a lot of issues they've been running a multi decade con. Whatever happened to Republicans who actually thought you had to pay for something and that money didn't just appear out of thin air? They have been gone a long long time and then there's the snake oil of trickle down is gonna make you rich. Trump is just the manifestation of the monster the GOP created.

    Yeah, it seems even high profile Republicans are going to publicly jump ship due to Trump.

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    i disagree (none / 0) (#64)
    by linea on Tue May 03, 2016 at 09:56:07 PM EST
    i feel it is exactly about policy.  i feel nobody would vote trump if he espoused a generic republican platform like cruz.  i feel the same about bernie.

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    You could say (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:21:43 PM EST
    Exactly that.  They just nominated Donald.

    As far as right wing support he will have it.  There will be talk of a right wing third party candidate.  That might have even been Teds hope with that rambling nonsense.

    Won't happen.  It will be killed it its crib.

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    The CW seems to be (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:09:11 PM EST
    He needs a right winger.  I think not.  IMO he will have the right wingers.  Once they have a chance to think about President Hillary.

    I tend to agree with you.  Huntsman type.  Interestingly Huntsman just said some very nice things about Donald.

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    Carly (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:05:39 AM EST
    Outsider woman vs inside woman. She can attack in ways Trump can't.

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    She's (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:09:02 AM EST
    going to have to constantly explain why he called her ugly and why she would demean herself to run with Trump after all that.

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    You mean like explaining (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:40:07 AM EST
    that oral sex isn't sex and what the meaning of is, is.

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    Like (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:49:37 AM EST
    having a right winger bringing up a 20 year old non sequitur argument when they have no valid point to make.  

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    The point was (none / 0) (#159)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:01:06 PM EST
    simple. You have very dumb and untoward statements made by two supposed leaders.

    Bill could have settled it all immediately with a simple acknowledgement and an apology.

    Will Trump be smart enough to do that?

    Better yet, will Carly be so ambitious that she will, like Hillary, flush females down the tube by pretending it didn't happen and run off to a tropical island for some photo ops.

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    you do realize (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by mm on Wed May 04, 2016 at 08:00:53 AM EST
    that Hillary is not the one who said that.
    I know it is hard for republicans to comprehend, but she is not attached at the hip to her husband.  She is her own person.

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    Geee (none / 0) (#156)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:53:29 PM EST
    mm, you mean it was Bill?

    Heart be still.

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    So splashing (none / 0) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:55:40 PM EST
    Melania's naked pictures all over campaign ads should be done. Right?

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    I haven'[t the (none / 0) (#161)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:02:30 PM EST
    vaguest idea what your point is.


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    Of course (none / 0) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:17:30 PM EST
    not. You think talking about spouses is okay for Republicans but no one else can talk about Trump's wife.

    Personally I think she should be left out of it but the pictures of her are all over the internet. Melania looks like the most miserable person on stage though.

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    And just where did I say anything about (none / 0) (#186)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:54:46 PM EST
    Trump's wife?

    As for Hillary if she is to be President she doesn't  get any free passes.

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    the right wingers (none / 0) (#86)
    by pitachips on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:38:36 AM EST
    Are not the type to compromise. They probably want another fire breather as VP. Huntsman represents everything they've rejected during the primaries.

    A moderate, "crony capitalist", internationalist who likes to show off his fluency in Mandarin. That will be a tough sell.

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    Trump will probably (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:19:13 PM EST
    stick with the reality show theme of his candidacy and pick Kim Kardashian as a running/walking mate..  Perfect: never elected to office, famous for being famous, and a woman.

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    Or Ivanka? (none / 0) (#151)
    by Nemi on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:10:18 PM EST
    Only half joking ...

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:07:53 PM EST
    if Kasich can get all the loose delegates hanging around from people like Rubio etc. I guess it would not be enough to pull ahead of Trump.

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    No (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:11:22 PM EST
    He couldnt.  He might swing BP

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    VP (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:11:42 PM EST
    I can't imagine (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:17:06 PM EST
    him being VP.

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    Now he drops out (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by FreakyBeaky on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:26:04 PM EST
    The Anti-trumps needed to get behind a single candidate weeks (months?) ago, and now he drops out - when even that is pointless.

    It's no wonder everyone hates this guy. Ugh!

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    Kudos for the prediction. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:09:05 PM EST
    What's next, Criswell?

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    I would say (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:10:37 PM EST
    A republican Chinese firedrill

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    Maybe that a southern cracker thing (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:15:19 PM EST
    Grade school, someone screams CHINESE FIREDRILL and everyone runs around the room screaming and waving their arms.

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    in the north (none / 0) (#76)
    by itscookin on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:48:42 AM EST
    a Chinese fire drill happens at a stop light. Someone yells "Chinese fire drill", and everyone jumps out, runs around the car and jumps back in. The goal is to do it before the light turns green.

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    "Chinese Fire Drill" (none / 0) (#124)
    by KD on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:22:56 PM EST
    Isn't this a racially offensive term?

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    Why yes (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:29:26 PM EST
    I expect it is.

    At least we southerners do it in grade school

    (Snark)

    True story
    I was involved with a Chinese gentleman for a while.  Every time he would get over excited, about anything, I would run around waving my arms and yelling CHINESE FIREDRILL!!

    He thought it was offensive to.  

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    How about (none / 0) (#137)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:58:34 PM EST
    And when I get excited
    My little China girl says
    Baby, just you shut your mouth

     I. POP, D. Bowie

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    Rich Lowery (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 03, 2016 at 08:46:13 PM EST
    Is on FOX sounding like he is trying to spin just being beaten up and having his lunch money stolen.

    ... Rich Lowery would be its Rembrandt.

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    Dot Net Training in Chennai (none / 0) (#69)
    by keerthisuresh002 on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:54:29 AM EST
    All of these tips are great, that's very interesting. I'm so tempted to try that myself, but you would think if it were effective..

    Dot Net Training in Chennai

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:46:07 AM EST
    Chennai spam 2 days in a row (none / 0) (#84)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 10:33:52 AM EST
    no compliments from them today though

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    At least (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:49:04 PM EST
    They remembered the link.

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    Kasich appears to be dropping out this afternoon (none / 0) (#89)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:02:35 AM EST
    Sadly he hasn't quite caught Rubio in delegates yet. Thought he'd hold out until he moved into 3rd.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 11:36:25 AM EST
    he was holding out for a contested convention and hoping to come out on top. However at this point apparently the GOP has decided to not continue to fight Trump and let him be nominated. So therefore the strategy seems to be moving towards Republicans leaving the party and forming "Republicans for Hillary" and focusing on down ticket races.

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    That is not (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:46:51 PM EST
    And will not be the strategy.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    not the strategy but it seems to be happening. Some with support Trump but not endorse apparently. Don't understand what kind of difference that makes though.

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    He secured the nomination (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:15:07 PM EST
    Less that 24 hours ago.  There will be plenty of endorsements.  The party is behind him.  Just because you know some republicans who say they won't vote for him (now) doesn't mean that is dominate view.  I would bet I know as many democrats who say the will vote for Trump.

    This idea that republicans are going to flock in masses to Hillary is a total fantasy.   Nothing but more of the magical thinking we have been drowning in for a year.

    This presidential race will be won by low single digits.  Just like they always are.  

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    No (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 02:05:52 PM EST
    I'm not talking about "some Republicans I know". This is being reported that people like David Petraeus are going to be leading up groups, high profile people not just some GOP voters here in GA.

    Right now Trump gets 2/3 of a declining base. Can he get more? Maybe maybe not. I'm going to be watching here in GA and see what the reaction is among people like Nathan Deal. So far it has been quiet here about Trump support or endorsements.

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    Fortunately (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:27:43 PM EST
    We don't need to worry cause Donald can't even get 50% of the Republican Party.  And even if he does he will never get 1237 delegates.  And even if he does....

    Humm, I think we are all out of even if does's

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    Well (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:34:54 PM EST
    I was never one of them that said that.

    They are having a meltdown over Trump being the nominee over at Redstate. It's actually pretty funny. He's the same as Hillary don't you know?

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    The really funny thing is (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:01:23 PM EST
    That's not entirely wrong from their point of view.  Donald will run to the left of Hillary on foreign intervention and trade.   Something a republican has never done in the lives of anyone here.

    My prediction is there will be talk of a right wing third party candidate.   It will not happen.  Bill Kristol will probably need to be sequestered and sedated.    Donald, per Reince, is being given controll of the party and the convention.  Any third party from the right will die a quiet and probably not painless death in its crib.

    Donald is driving now.  Hide the women and children.

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    A good commenter called it (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by Towanda on Wed May 04, 2016 at 07:38:53 PM EST
    -- with Trump left of Clinton on some issues, not trustworthy on abortion and other issues, etc. -- "the end of Reaganism."

    That helped me to understand the imploding heads among the traditional Republican types.  Saint Ronnie and his followers have had their way for almost forty years -- as you say, the (political) lives of most of us. But Trump is not a devotee.

    This would be fascinating to watch, if it was not going to make me so angry again about the misogyny and more.

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    Reaganism (none / 0) (#178)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 08:06:52 PM EST
    has been declared dead a number of times. George Will called it dead back in the 90's. I think in reality it's been dead a long time but it's just now become too obvious to deny.

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    When I saw the 3 Stepford or Vogue (none / 0) (#181)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:30:59 PM EST
    types around him after the Indiana primary, I had an internal, negative reaction of the play to come.  Yes, Towanda ... we have only seen the hints of burgeoning misogyny.  While I think that all will be ok, ultimately, the growing images that Trump is building are starting to leave me with an ulcerous-type ache. (Then, I repeat to myself that we women have moved forward, we've progressed in this society ... keep repeating myself says.)

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    I'm still (none / 0) (#162)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:14:16 PM EST
    not seeing the foreign policy from the left. I see he has some on the left and some on the far right. His foreign policy to me seems similar to David Duke. Totally see the trade thing he's spouting but the irony is he makes all his branded merchandise overseas. I wonder how exactly that is going compute. He won't be able to sell his own suits if he does what he wants.

    Well, actually there have been Republicans with these same viewpoints though they never won the nomination. Pat Buchanan comes to mind.

    Bill Kristol won't be the only one. I would imagine you could add the entire staff of the National Review to be sedated along with him. There seems to be this never Hillary and never Trump contingent in the GOP but I kind of laugh because it's not like they were ever going to vote for Hillary so it's more like completely Never Trump. Maybe they're the ones that is driving up the numbers for Gary Johnson right now. Maybe they will end up not voting. Who knows.

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    There is actual republicans (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 05:37:33 PM EST
    And there is DC and media elite republicans.  If actual republicans gave a rats ass what Kristol, The Nationsl Review, George Will, and Charles Krauthammer thought Donald would not be the nominee.

    There may very well be some like those above who prefer the fainting couch to the voting booth.  No one cares.  If they do it will only help Donald.  He has already specifically said he doesn't want the support of some of those people.

    He ran against them and he will continue to.

    As far as the National Review tho Rich Lowery was on FOX last night trying out his knee pads.

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    Nobody (none / 0) (#168)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 04, 2016 at 06:11:06 PM EST
    really is listening to the media whether it's D's or R's. If we did what the media told us to do we would have nominated Bernie and if the GOP obeyed the media they would have nominated Jeb. I guess that was their grand plan to get a Republican in the White House. Didn't quite work out that way for them.

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    An unknown (none / 0) (#180)
    by christinep on Wed May 04, 2016 at 09:22:04 PM EST
    A foreign policy matter that could be smooth & even for Trump in the general election or could go off the rails in approach & reaction could well involve Vladimir Putin.  Until now, Trump's comments about Putin are confusing ... in fact, he almost evidences a kind of respect premised on the man's autocratic personality, etc.  A gut reaction: The whole Putin thing--all the way around--has the potential to be very precarious for Trump, and not just esoterically among the FP elite.  


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    Yep (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 12:48:29 PM EST
    Dropping out at five.  Got the memo from Reince.

    STFU and get off the stage.  We have a nominee and you are nothing but a distraction.

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    Reince - a master at sweeping up the floor (none / 0) (#122)
    by ruffian on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:18:06 PM EST
    after the china has been shattered.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:25:09 PM EST
    Yes
    But to be fair there was not a lot the guy could do about things before now.  The truth is Kasich is nothing but a distraction.   Also that was a total assumption.  It's really just as likely he knows there will be no more money and no more love.  And no more splitting the votes three ways.

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    Wonder if all (none / 0) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:43:13 PM EST
    the women will come out of their kitchens to say good-bye to Kasich?

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    No Time (none / 0) (#133)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:47:03 PM EST
    They are too busy scrapbooking on why they love Trump.

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    It's already a farce (none / 0) (#132)
    by FreakyBeaky on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:43:28 PM EST
    They couldn't get behind one candidate before it was too late. And there was such a deep bench to choose from!

    Now both the remaining pretenders drop out after it's way too late. They might just as well have stayed in. Clowns.

    Time for everyone to do their bit before this becomes tragedy too, eh?

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    The Republican primary voters (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:03:52 PM EST
    have gotten what they want, someone and something different. All the makings of their dream president--indifferent to facts and uninterested in knowing. They believe he is just like him. A Rorschach test of inspiration and values.

     A mix of the severe conservative of Romney and the heartless conservative of Cruz, with the proportions being fluid.  He fits the bill for his followers concern for too much government in government places, and not enough government in private spaces. And, for those who want no government at all.  So, why not give something like fascism a try.

    And, for all that wailing and gnashing of teeth, keep in mind that we are not talking about herding cats here, these are Republicans after all.  They will fall in line faster than a June Taylor dancer. Just keep the fingers on your left hand available so as to count the outliers.

     And, his handlers and advisors, whomever they may be, will want to put some serious lipstick on the pig, but that will be a thankless task.  Policies, sure, since they run the range from ill-defined to ludicrous anyhow.

      And, his followers don't really care, they like it simple and simplistic. It will all be OK, so long as he does not fall down on his stand-up.

     

    The GOP conventional wisdom (none / 0) (#129)
    by Repack Rider on Wed May 04, 2016 at 01:39:29 PM EST
    ...was that they lost in 2008 and 2012 because their candidates weren't "conservative enough."  Cruz is about as conservative as you can get, but he lost to a guy with no actual qualifications or positions.

    Can we bury that argument forever now?

    They won't bury the argument (none / 0) (#147)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 04, 2016 at 03:19:36 PM EST
    because the ultra conservative still hasn't made it to the general election, which the GOP newly created base says cost them the 2008 and 2012 election

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:49:22 PM EST
    the believers will never give up on the "conservatism can not fail" meme and wait for one True Conservative to arrive. Meanwhile this election has proved without a doubt that the average Republican does not give a flying fig about ultra conservatism.

    Trump voters do not want anything to do with a trickle down economy(after 30 years they finally see the scam), they have no problem with big government(as long as that government is taking "their" stuff back from the "others"). Even the bible thumpers have apparently decided they rather have a vulgar abortion flip-flopper over the ultra-pious.

    Bottom line is that conservatism has failed America and even the rubes have come to understand it.

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    I think that's true (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:55:48 PM EST
    The bible thumpers have been, at least temporarily, neutered.

    The great question is if Donakd loses as most of us expect what happens then?  Does Ted rise from his crypt in 2020 for another go at it?  

    I have a funny feeling Ted is going to try hard to not be the most hated guy in DC over the next 4 years.

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    It's a pickle (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 04, 2016 at 04:17:38 PM EST
    If all women refused to vote forTrump (none / 0) (#189)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 05, 2016 at 10:14:00 AM EST
    This is what the electoral college map would look like.

    Unfortunately, I expect there are women, and not just his family members and Sarah Palin, who will vote for Trump.

    Still, I like the looks of that map.

    Yes (none / 0) (#190)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 05, 2016 at 11:09:26 AM EST
    that would be nice but it's not going to happen. I think about 25% of women will vote for Trump according to polling.

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    McCain "worries Trump may hurt re-election (none / 0) (#195)
    by Mr Natural on Thu May 05, 2016 at 05:49:21 PM EST