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Happy Mothers Day, to all.

I think The Good Wife series finale is tonight. I'm afraid to click on news because I don't want the ending spoiled, so I'll just turn on the TV in six minutes and find out. I hope it's a good ending to this very uneven season, especially since I'm interrupting my re-reading of the novel La Reina del Sur to watch it, and I'm at a really good part. (I've seen the series on TV at least three times, but I wanted to check some things Geraldo said about the lead character, Teresa Mendoza, and didn't have time to watch 63 episodes yet again. I started thumbing through my copy of the book, and got immersed in it again, so I went back to page 1 and am reading the whole thing again. At least my copy is in English.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome -- TV related or not. (Update below.)

Update: I thought the acting in the Good Wife finale was very good (Alicia, Peter and Diane) and the writing and story line was mediocre. I just read the writers' explanation of the ending. I didn't get any of those messages. I didn't see Alicia as going from victim to victimizer, I didn't see her daughter as the reason she insisted Diane's husband be impeached on cross-examination, and it never entered my mind that she had become like Peter.

Other dislikes about the finale: I thought bringing Will back was schmaltzy. Her kids were always boring and one-dimensional, they turned Eli into a caricature of himself, they blew the romantic investigator story line. Carey was reduced to a footnote.

To me, it ended where it began, with a woman publicly standing by her husband, a public official, as he pleaded guilty to a crime ending his career. She didn't want to be there either time. At the beginning she was a housewife. At the end she was a seasoned attorney. And still emotionally alone. The character I missed is Galinda.

The best part of the finale was Alicia's negotiating skills. She got the prosecutor down from 3 years to 1 year to probation, even after the prosecutor knew she didn't have the favorable bullet tests. The scene of Peter not wanting to take probation (although of course he did) was also instructive. Most people think probation is a walk in the park. It's not. It's punishment that restricts your freedom and the conviction alone, even without jail time, carries a host of negative collateral consequences. So I liked that show brought that out (however obliquely.)

On a more positive note: Season 2 of Frankie and Grace with Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin is now available on Netflix. I've already watched all 13 30 minute episodes and thought they were great. I liked Season 1, but Season 2 is even better.

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    Available on Netflix is... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by desertswine on Mon May 09, 2016 at 12:51:59 AM EST
    Requiem for the American Dream. I happened to watch it this morning.  If you haven't seen it, it's certainly worth a viewing.

    Hey Krugman, tell us how you really feel (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 09, 2016 at 07:58:35 AM EST
    Truly, Donald Trump knows nothing. He is more ignorant about policy than you can possibly imagine, even when you take into account the fact that he is more ignorant than you can possibly imagine.


    Trump is the male version (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by MKS on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:54:33 AM EST
    of Sarah Palin.

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    That Duo (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by christinep on Mon May 09, 2016 at 09:37:57 AM EST
    The Trump/Palin twins.  That similarity should be mentioned again & again.

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    oh... (none / 0) (#51)
    by linea on Mon May 09, 2016 at 09:58:39 PM EST
    i love sarah palin's accent!! it's so pretty.

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    Preacher crushes church's view of homosexuality (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dadler on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:45:52 AM EST
    i watch the whole video!! {smile} (none / 0) (#55)
    by linea on Mon May 09, 2016 at 11:17:19 PM EST
    "Bishop, dont tell me what the bible says about homosexuals and you change wives like we change underwear!"

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    I think Ryan (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 09, 2016 at 12:32:37 PM EST
    Never wanted to run the convention.  Hard to blame him

    JANESVILLE, Wis. -- House Speaker Paul Ryan said Monday that if Donald Trump wants him to step down as a co-chairman of the GOP convention, he will respect his wishes.

    Ryan said he hopes he and Trump can begin to get to know each other when they meet later this week."He's the nominee. I'll do whatever he wants with respect to the convention," Ryan said when asked about that scenario in an interview with the Journal Sentinel.

    "I just want to get to know the guy ... we just don't know each other," said Ryan, who delivered a political bombshell la



    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 09, 2016 at 12:43:35 PM EST
    Trump talking about him being removed gave him an out. Sounds like he might not endorse Trump.

    If I was a delegate to that convention I would be trying every which way I could to get out of going.

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    And if forced to go... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon May 09, 2016 at 01:14:06 PM EST
    I'd bring a blade, just in case the riot breaks out.  Ben Carson probably has one from his youth a delegate could borrow;)

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    Send in the clowns (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 10, 2016 at 10:27:48 AM EST
    Don't bother.  They're here.

    As reported by The Washington Post:

    The outreach by Carson is an apparent effort both to soothe tensions between Trump and Ryan ahead of their highly anticipated meeting on Capitol Hill and to establish a framework for that discussion.

    When reached Monday by phone, Carson's business manager, Armstrong Williams, said Carson "is a guy who can bring people together."

    "Donald Trump trusts him and the speaker trusts him," Williams said. "He wants to do the will of the people."

    Ryan's office declined to comment Monday, but an aide to the speaker confirmed that Carson did request a meeting.



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    "Carson's business manager" (none / 0) (#66)
    by Mr Natural on Tue May 10, 2016 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    Sounds like Armstrong has his sucker hooked.

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    I finally watched West of Memphis.. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Cashmere on Mon May 09, 2016 at 11:19:46 PM EST
    I appreciate all the tips on this site for West of Memphis and the Paradise Lost documentaries.  What a tragedy this was for the victims and the accused and wrongfully convicted.  

    Almost the worst part (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:54:25 AM EST
    Is that there has never been and likely will never be any consequences at all for the people in the system, judges and prosecutors and law enforcement, who did this.  It was criminal.  There is no other word.  They should pay.  And we're often promoted instead.  It's sickening.

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    The deck was always stacked against the WM3 (none / 0) (#57)
    by McBain on Tue May 10, 2016 at 01:00:42 AM EST
    Even their freedom came at a price. No one likes to admit they're wrong I guess.  

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    Jeralyn, have you read Gregory David Roberts' (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Sun May 08, 2016 at 09:36:35 PM EST
    The Mountain Shadow yet?  

    Should I?

    I haven't read it (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 09, 2016 at 04:12:33 PM EST
    I got a sample chapter and maybe just wasn't in the mood, but it didn't seem like a continuation of Shantaram. Check the reviews at Goodreads.

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    The reviews I read were not (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:32:44 PM EST
    positive. It is a sequel to Shantarum. I may purchase the Audible after the price drops.

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    yes I know it's a sequel (none / 0) (#53)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 09, 2016 at 11:07:10 PM EST
    but the first chapter didn't seem like it to me in the writing and subject. It didn't grab me.

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    I've been trying to get into it (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:09:11 PM EST
    Can't get past the first 20-30pages yet. Not grabbing me.

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    We got all caught up last night ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 08, 2016 at 09:50:10 PM EST
    ... with "The Night Manager," a very engrossing BBC miniseries now airing on AMC, which is based on the John le Carré novel of the same name. It stars Hugh Laurie -- best known in this country as the brilliant but acerbic Dr. Gregory House in the Fox TV drama "House" (2004-12) -- as a superficially pleasant but altogether unscrupulous high-end British businessman, who ostensibly sells farm equipment and machinery to third world nations, yet actually traffics in heavy weaponry to whomever will pay the highest price.

    Mr. Laurie would make a great Bond villain.

    I love Night Manager (none / 0) (#23)
    by Coral on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:29:43 AM EST
    Looking forward to reading the Perez-Reverte books.

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    So I mentioned (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 09:59:51 PM EST
    Loving Patti LuPones new role in Penny Dreadful in the last open.  And Renfield is her receptionist.  How cool is that.

    But did we recognize the Ice Truck Killer?  It took me a bit.

    What Do you think of (none / 0) (#4)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun May 08, 2016 at 10:40:38 PM EST
    the ending of the Good Wife.  Not sure myself.

    I liked it, especially "The Slap." (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 09, 2016 at 02:56:35 AM EST
    Alicia deserved it. In fact, it's nice to see it wrap up with a big black bow and no happy endings, which is exactly the sort of ugly and disheveled finale that the show's main characters truly deserved. And that ballsy conclusion brought the series -- which if we recall also began with a slap -- full circle.

    With her cold and calculated betrayal of Diane, a strong, independent and successful woman she had so very much admired, Alicia had finally come to embody the same selfish, ambitious and cutthroat traits which had first disgusted and repulsed her seven years ago when she saw them in her husband. Whereas she was once the victim, she was now effectively a perpetrator -- or at least, certainly capable of becoming one.

    "The Good Wife" was, at its heart, a tragedy because if ever a woman and man truly deserved one another, it was Alicia and Peter Florrick. Yet she had very clearly moved on while sadly, he had obviously not. As for her lover Jason, maybe he finally saw all these people for what they were, and lit out instead for the Black Hills.

    Aloha.

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    actually if you (none / 0) (#7)
    by athyrio on Mon May 09, 2016 at 03:42:17 AM EST
    go back aways in the series, Alicia was betrayed by the chick that slapped her and much worse if memory serves me...so didn't like that part...but glad it is over...

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    I thought the ending was "intriguing"... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Cashmere on Mon May 09, 2016 at 11:42:31 AM EST
    I agree with both Donald's and athyrio's interpretations.  Life is just complicated.  I'll miss this show.

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    Alicia may have deserved it, but (none / 0) (#71)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:06:43 PM EST
    Diane would have done the same to Peter if it meant winning a case for a client.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#82)
    by McBain on Tue May 10, 2016 at 11:55:41 PM EST
    Diane looked like a big fat hypocrite.  

    Overall, I think it was a good finale.  The show jumped the shark a long time ago when Will Gardner died.  I lost track of who was practicing where... there were so many changes.  Maybe that's realistic but it didn't make for good drama.  

    I agree with Jeralyn about the kids.  I also didn't get the all of intended messages of finale.

    For me the strength of the show was the legal side, not the personal one.  

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    John Aravosis (none / 0) (#8)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 05:04:34 AM EST
    weighs in on Jill Stein's snotty (my expression) Mother's Day quip directed at Hillary Clinton: Internet excoriates Green Party's Jill Stein for calling Hillary bad mom.

    He shows some of the many Tweets that calls Jill Stein out, but actually I find it more interesting, enlightening if you will, to read all the reactions following her Tweet - also the many that defends and excuses her and explains what she 'really ment'. I'm kind of fascinated by the very active male tweeter (twitterer?), who makes her Tweet to be about feminism, calls himself a true feminist, and blames Hillary Clinton for absolutely not being one.

    The reactions to the piece are equally interesting and as so often before reminds me of the last part of the Kipling-quote "and never the twain shall meet".

    I never knew much about Jill Stein (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by jbindc on Mon May 09, 2016 at 05:16:21 AM EST
    After reading her tweets. I realize,she is as unhinged as Donald Trump.  This is who some around here actually think is competent to be president???  Scary.

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    Only recently (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 05:53:09 AM EST
    did I try to find out more about Jill Stein. One of the very first things I learned was that she loathes Hillary Clinton. Hate and loathing is so unbecoming in a politician - and it scares me that so many welcome it, not least when personified by Donald Trump! - so I'll have to admit I lost further interest in her.

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    Maybe because some (none / 0) (#18)
    by christinep on Mon May 09, 2016 at 09:51:52 AM EST
    always think the "grass is greener" OR find so much fault in what is more familiar/known that they must attach elsewhere.  It is much easier to project one's own attitudes/wants on someone un-vetted than deal with the reality of what might actually happen.  The Stein default has always been a dodge for some to profess an unattainable value & thereby avoid the hoi polloi that must be the rest of us. IMO.

    Also: I remember that it was not too long ago that it actually was acceptable to undermine and denigrate women wanting to live as a mother and to pursue a career.  That "bad mom" guilt trip assigned to women is as old as the hills ... and as ugly as the stagnating muck that it represents. Cheers.

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    I'm a little surprised (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 09, 2016 at 07:45:31 AM EST
    anyone would take the time to write about another carnival sideshow. When the pinnacle of her political career in 7 elections is getting 539 votes for Town Meeting Representative...

    it's safe to say she'll never have her Sally Field moment as a politician

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    She most certainly did so, though not necessarily in the manner she intended. Only someone who's truly and pathetically needy would offer such a despicable personal remark in public.

    In but one painfully ill-advised tweet, Stein revealed in herself an emotional immaturity which not only renders her unfit for public office, but should otherwise preclude her from further consideration as a public spokesperson for the progressive movement, as well.

    Boo. Hiss.

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    It turns out (none / 0) (#10)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 05:36:07 AM EST
    that the male twitterer I mentioned above (in his own words a 'Bernie fanatic') has removed - or had removed? I really don't know how Twitter works - all his tweets from that 'thread'.

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    He has the ability to remove them himself (none / 0) (#19)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:05:00 AM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#27)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 12:19:39 PM EST
    There's a lot I don't understand about Twitter and how it works,so to educate myself I started reading a site with the 'instructive' title Mom this is how Twitter works, heh. :)

    Didn't get far though. I guess you have to be actively participating to really understand all the ins and outs of the phenomena.

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    "active male tweeter (twitterer?)" (none / 0) (#15)
    by Mr Natural on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:38:29 AM EST
    The word you're looking for is "twit."

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    I'm gonna regret this (but).... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Mon May 09, 2016 at 01:12:11 PM EST
    A mother is also a healer. That starts with joining the rest of the industrial world and providing health care to everyone.

    Let's remember the origins of #MothersDay:  Women organized for peace, spoke out against war and grieved for every son that had been killed.

    Is she wrong?

    At first tweet my interpretation is she was referring to Hillary's hawkish foreign policy, which get mother's sons and mother's daughters (not to mention mothers (and fathers)) f8cking killed.  Upon subsequent tweets, it appears my initial interpretation was correct.  She did not call Hillary a bad mother, she implied Hillary's policies are not all mother-friendly, and I tend to agree.

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    Actually rather (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 02:07:54 PM EST
    She did not call Hillary's policies mother-unfriendly [whatever 'mother-friendly' policies are supposed to signify!], she implied Hillary is a bad mother.

    Seems to me - and apparently many other women - to be the message. Unlike Jill Stein herself ?

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    Hahaha. Try the tweet (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Towanda on Mon May 09, 2016 at 07:57:20 PM EST
    about Clinton.

    Of course, there's nothing wrong with the Stein tweet that you quote; it could be a Hallmark card.  And it is about policy.

    The tweet in question is a personal attack on Clinton, about her mothering, on Mother's Day.

    I did not know much about Stein until that tweet.  Now -- with more info about her, in blogs about that tweet -- I know more than enough.

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    Nice try, buddy, but there is no good (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:22:41 PM EST
    way for Stein to spin this. It was a cheap shot, and no amount of "clarifying" and "explaining" can change that.

    Additionally, if you and Stein believe that Clinton's policies are not mother-friendly then you have not been paying attention. Clinton has decades of fighting for women, children and families under her belt.

    Honestly, that tweet revealed a lot more about Stein than it did about Clinton.

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    Jill Stein said nothing about foreign policy. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 09, 2016 at 03:52:58 PM EST
    Rather, she tweeted the following:

    "I agree w/Hillary, it's time to elect a woman for president. But I want that president to reflect the values of being a mother."

    Absent the provision of any context whatsoever on her part, what did she (and you, too, for that matter) expect the public reaction to be to her bald insinuation that Hillary Clinton doesn't "reflect the values of being a mother" -- on frickin' Mother's Day, no less? (Palm slap to forehead.) D'OH!!!

    Now that Dr. Stein feels compelled to provide that additional context, well after the fact, in order to somehow retroactively justify her offensive initial public characterization of a woman who just so happens to be the prospective Democratic presidential nominee, then she has already lost this debate big time.

    Suffice to say that Dr. Stein showed exceptionally poor personal judgment for having even deigned to go there in the first place, never mind both her appalling timing in doing so and her subsequent decision to double down on the stupid. Because rather than simply apologize for her remarkably dubious choice of words, she's instead further chosen to undertake a tawdry effort to spin the indefensible.

    No small wonder why the Massachusetts voters in Stein's own district have said at the ballot box time and again that this sad sack of self-righteous indignation is not ready for prime time. Perhaps you and the rest of Dr. Stein's fans ought to take up a collection on her behalf, so she can go out and buy herself a couple of much-needed clues.

    Aloha.

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    At BNR (none / 0) (#60)
    by Nemi on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:23:41 AM EST
    Nicole Belle probably speaks for many, I know she does for me, when she writes in reaction to the first repulsive Tweet, the one that is discussed, the one that angered so many:

    On a day where most mothers are greeted with sticky pancake kisses and homemade cards with crayoned declarations of love, Green Party presidential wannabe Dr. Jill Stein took a decidedly nastier tack.

    On its face, it's an odd choice of dig. Hillary has had an impressive and long record of advocating for women and children, from working for the Children's Defense Fund in the early '70s to her famous speech as First Lady to the United Nations Conference on Women in Beijing, China, where she declared that "women's rights are human rights."

    As the junior senator from New York, Hillary wrote or sponsored legislation advocating for the Paycheck Fairness Act, the Choices in Childcare Act, as well as a resolution expressing the sense of the Senate concerning the importance of preventing child abuse and neglect before they occur and achieving permanency and stability for children who must experience foster care.

    Does that sound like terrible motherhood values?

    In addition, Hillary and Bill Clinton raised a daughter, protecting her from much of the harsh glare of conservative smears, who grew to graduate from Stanford University and attain master's degrees from Columbia and Oxford Universities and even a doctorate from Oxford.  And now Hillary speaks of the joy of watching Chelsea being a mother herself.  If that's bad mothering, I hope my kids think I am similarly a bad mother.

    It's sad that the irrationality of Hillary-bashing has progressed to such a point that something this offensive, this nasty, would be considered an acceptable thing to tweet on Mother's Day.



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    The Designated Hitter argument is settled... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:28:43 AM EST
    who would want to live in a baseball world where something like this could never happen?

    My dear old Moms called it the best Mothers Day present she's ever had.  

    It's Bartolo's world y'all, we're just livin' in it!


    Pitcher Shields: next question. (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:10:53 AM EST
    Wonder why he did not know Colon never even tries to hit a curve ball?

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    Bartolo lulls... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:19:44 AM EST
    pitchers to sleep, making them think he's not even gonna swing, so they throw that meatball and...Ba-Boom!

    Very classy standing-O by the Pods faithful btw. Glad we don't have to pitch to that John Jay character for awhile, that dude was killin' us!

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    It's a tough call from yesterday (none / 0) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:28:36 AM EST
    Better day? Bartolo Colon? Bryce Harper? Or the Cubs for managing to win even after putting Harper on base 7 times?

    But for laughs...a side by side comparison of the home run trots of Colon & Big Papi wins the day.

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    Bathroom war officially on (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 09, 2016 at 12:37:22 PM EST
    WASHINGTON, May 9 (Reuters) - North Carolina officials sued the U.S. Justice Department on Monday after the department challenged the state's law on public restroom access for transgender people, accusing the agency of "baseless and blatant overreach."

    The department's top civil rights lawyer, Vanita Gupta, last week sent three letters to North Carolina officials, saying the law was a civil rights violation.

    It is the newest chapter of a fast-evolving fight over rights for transgender Americans. The law, which went into effect in March, requires transgender people to use public bathrooms corresponding to the sex on their birth certificate.

    North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory and the state's secretary of public safety sued Gupta as well as U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch for their "radical reinterpretation" of federal civil rights law in federal district court in North Carolina.

    Justice Department officials declined to comment on Monday



    The North Carolina (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 09, 2016 at 01:58:58 PM EST
    Governor's bathroom suit gives him opportunity to stall, maybe enough to get him through the fall election. And, even more importantly, shows his Deliverance base that he is not caving in to the Obama Administration.

     Surely, that base does not care much about losing business, reputation, or federal funds.  The bathroom dangers from trans are number one  and number two on their minds.

    McCrory needs more time, too, to defend what he signed in the dark of night after it being passed by the legislature in special session in 12 hours. As with many travelers, this must have really been a bathroom emergency.

     Not sure, however, that the 12 hours was enough to figure out how that law was to be enforced. Police at every bathroom door in the state, checking birth certificates against an involuntary peep show. Complicated. It behooves all NC citizens and visitors to bring their birth certificates with them and be prepared for a visual.

    And, 12 hours was probably not enough time as well to realize that Title VII forbids employment discrimination "because of an individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." And the Supreme Court rules in Price Waterhouse v Hopkins, that "sex" includes differential treatment on any "sex-based " condition.  Not really a radical interpretation for most familiar with the English language. And, law.

     While McCrory (filed by a governor's lawyer and private lawyers, since the AG will not defend it) addresses the DOJ complaint on Title VII and Violence Against Women Act, his lawyers are silent on Title IX of the Education Amendments.  (1972).  Maybe, more time is needed to defend and think this one through. In the meanwhile, paddle faster, I hear banjos.

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    it's a stunt (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Mon May 09, 2016 at 10:04:08 PM EST
    the NC legislature had to be aware of the fact that this law would result in a Fed threat to pull federal funding.  my feeling is that this was just an election year stunt to show their base that they are "fighting the goid fight" to get re-elected. they knew they would have to reverse this nonesense.  that's my feeling.  

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    ACLU Mississippi (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 09, 2016 at 01:05:47 PM EST
    has filed a law suit over MS HB1523, the state's so-called religious freedom bill, on behalf of a gay, engaged couple living in Mississippi.

     According to the complaint, the law specifically gives the ability, for public officials charged with that responsibility, not to issue marriage licenses. Thereby, subjecting same sex couples to separate and unequal sets of rules that do not apply to different sex couples.  

    The law also allows business owners to refuse service to gays if they believe it violates their conviction or firmly held beliefs.  The complaint states that, on its face, the law violates the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, by subjecting the lawful marriages of gay couples to different terms and conditions, imposing a disadvantage, a separate status, and so, a stigma.

    Today in bottom feeding (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 09, 2016 at 03:47:39 PM EST
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 09, 2016 at 04:42:21 PM EST
    I'm glad someone finally told Andrea off. Oh, my all the pearl clutching that is going to on by the likes of Andrea this year. the media is basically turning into concern trolls.

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    Well done Cecile! (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:32:21 PM EST
    No answer will shut Mitchell or Mathews up on this topic for good - they are the two people in the world most interested in it. Do they really not know any women who have stayed with cheating spouses?  They probably do but just don't know it.
     

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    RIP, Candye Kane (1961-2016). (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 09, 2016 at 05:52:29 PM EST
    The one-time high-school dropout and adult video performer, who reinvented herself in the early 1990s to become a critically acclaimed jazz / blues singer with a very loyal and devoted following on the Southern California club circuit, died yesterday at age 54 after an 8-year battle with pancreatic cancer, a struggle which she often shared publicly with her audiences. Despite her illness, she kept performing until just a few months ago; here she is at the Big Blues Bender in Las Vegas, NV last September.

    Aloha to "The Toughest Girl Alive."

    Did you ever see her biographical (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:34:03 PM EST
    revue?  I did. Her fans were quite devoted.

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    No, sorry to say, I never did. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:21:02 PM EST
    But I did have the privilege of seeing Candye Kane a number of times when in SoCal. The final time was at Don the Beachcomber in Huntington Beach last fall, and the place was packed to overflowing.

    I was sort of stunned by her appearance. She had been a big girl for years, not obese but definitely plus-sized and quite buxom, and she certainly wasn't shy or apologetic about flaunting her sex appeal. That night, however, it was rather shocking to see how cancer had taken its toll on her. I had just lost my cousin a few weeks earlier from leukemia, and you could see that Ms. Kane was struggling similarly to try to keep her illness at bay.  

    Yet Ms. Kane still had this bawdy stage presence and incredible personal rapport with her audience, and her band was tight and could jam with the best of them. Hers was not necessarily the best voice you'd ever hear, but it was loud and brassy and quite distinctive, and she sure knew her way around a lyric. She was one of those performers who looked genuinely happy to be onstage, making music and sharing it with everyone. I felt very sad today when I read of her passing.

    Candye Kane was a fearless and courageous woman who faced and overcame a lot of adversity in her life, which she quite obviously lived on her own terms. Adult film stardom usually precludes subsequent attempts by such performers to transition into so-called "respectable" show business careers -- or any career for that matter, if their past is found out.

    CBS Records had initially signed her to a contract in 1985, but she was dropped once the executives learned of her career in adult films. Yet rather than run away from that notoriety, Ms. Kane decided to keep her "nom de p0rn" and use it to her advantage, as a means to first draw attention to herself in her new professional persona.

    No doubt, many people may have been first drawn to see her in those early days out of the sheer novelty of seeing an adult film star who had the audacity to think that she could front as a singer for a band. They came back again and again as fans because lo and behold, she had genuine talent and heart.

    Ms. Kane doggedly pursued her dream and amazingly, she ultimately succeeded by getting people to see her not for what she once was, but for what she could be. She won numerous honors and awards for her work, and her adopted hometown of San Diego fiercely embraced her as its own. Today, San Diegans are in mourning; her death was the lead story last night on the local news.

    Candye Kane's life's story is one of hard work, determination and perseverance, and it's absolutely inspiring. She will be missed.

    Aloha.

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    Surprising she kept performing. (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Mon May 09, 2016 at 08:29:00 PM EST
    I saw her bio show maybe 2 yrs. ago. She was hefty and making the most of it.

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    When I last saw her in Huntington Beach, she had lost a lot of weight and was looking tired and gaunt. But when she started singing, it's like she inhabited her music and an inner reserve of energy took over.

    And we'll always have her music.

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    Grace and Frankie is a great show. (none / 0) (#43)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:45:52 PM EST
    I watched all of season 2 this past weekend. It is better than season 1. Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen and Sam Waterston star in this show. How could it not be good?

    Grace and Frankie are women in their early 70s whose husbands, Sheen and Waterston, leave them to marry each other. I don't want to say more because the whys and wherefores are the meat of season 1.

    Tomlin and Fonda are so good together. I love watching this friendship between two very different women take root and grow.

    I didn't (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:55:16 PM EST
    realize season 2 was out already. I loved season one. I also liked the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt though I'm kind of lost on Season 2.

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    Season 2 just came out on Friday. (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:55:57 PM EST
    Thanks!! I love it too and did not know (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cashmere on Mon May 09, 2016 at 11:16:07 PM EST
    season 2 was out.  I watch it on Apple TV when we are in Baker City :).  

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    Wow, thanks! I'll start watching later. I really (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:27:51 PM EST
    enjoyed it last season

    Watching Jimmie Schmidt too. That show just kills me. Lots of laughs-per-minute there. I don't even try to keep track of the plot or story. I love Jane Krakowski. (is that her name? does not look right). She is so great.

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    Since the very first (none / 0) (#44)
    by Nemi on Mon May 09, 2016 at 06:48:08 PM EST
    time I heard the name Boaty McBoatface I just loved it. I had no idea what it meant - nothing really, I later found out ;) - but it sounded fun, and was fun to say out loud.

    Yet I think that the people in charge has found a good, almost solomonic, solution in naming the boat 'Sir David Attenborough' - who could object to that - and instead naming a remote submarine that goes with the 'mother'ship Boaty McBoatface. To the tune of? ;)

    Is it just me (none / 0) (#58)
    by ragebot on Tue May 10, 2016 at 01:13:58 AM EST
    or have all the peeps sitting at the cool kids table quit watching GOT?

    I doubt anyone has stopped watching (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:48:54 AM EST
    There was many comments the last two episodes.  This weeks episode was not that news making.  And it was Mother's Day.  Who knows.

    I am reasonably certain all the people here who have been watching are still watching.

    I certainly am.  

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    Everyone in my fam (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 10, 2016 at 09:18:21 AM EST
    Is watching, but the importance of celebrating Mother's Day sort of beat down GOT discussion, and as you said the episode wasn't that eventful.

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    Still watching - was just away for the weekend. (none / 0) (#74)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:12:49 PM EST
    Not that I am cool....

    But I was quite happy to see Jon walk away from that dang Castle Black. My watch is finished. Great scene.

    Also liked the flashback scene, even if the methodology is totally ripping off Happy Potter. The 3 Eyed Raven needs a penseive. Screams from the tower are Jon Snow being born, I believe.

    Poor Shaggy Dog.  

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    lol - Harry Potter, of course (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:13:31 PM EST
    John Stewart (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:42:53 AM EST
    calls Trump a "man-baby". LOL.

    He also (none / 0) (#88)
    by Nemi on Wed May 11, 2016 at 03:52:11 PM EST
    said, as Melissa McEwan reports, about Hillary Clinton that she is 'inauthentic' ... with a lag. Like when you play a PC game on a Mac. I have no idea what he means and haven't bothered to listen to the clip, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant as a compliment.

    He also mentions 'sociopath' - a characteristic she narrowly escapes - I think - due to the 'lag'. Or something.

    One of Shakesville's commenters points out that

    They didn't even quote the worst part, which was when he said, "And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a real person doesn't exist underneath there." Man. That is some explicitly dehumanizing shit.

    Can't disagree with that last part ...

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    Ugh, nothing new there (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by ruffian on Wed May 11, 2016 at 07:22:34 PM EST
    that was the Daily show take on her going back years, carried over to Colbert now.

    I've noticed he himself is usually pretty thoughtful too when he answers unscripted questions...a little lag there too. It is what happens when people think about what they say. Or maybe he is just inauthentic.

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    Can't say as I necessarily blame her for being so guarded, given the prodigious amounts of that's been hurled at her by the right-wing for the last 25 years.

    But I sometimes do wonder if Mrs. Clinton realizes just how effective and moving she actually is to people, whenever she goes off script, drops the "Iron Lady" persona, and allows her compassion and empathy to be on full public display.

    Eight years ago, she arguably came from behind to win the 2008 New Hampshire primary in an upset because of one brief moment when, tired and perhaps more than a little discouraged by the relentless attacks on her character, she dropped her guard and let people see the real Hillary.

    She's at her very best at such times.

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    Interesting site... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Mr Natural on Wed May 11, 2016 at 07:00:32 PM EST
    John Stewart isn't very funny as Don Rickles, even masked by the polysyllabic.


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    Camille Paglia is back! (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 10, 2016 at 01:29:37 PM EST
    When is sexism not sexism? When it's really all about Hillary Clinton's "restless bitterness," that's when.

    "Oy!" to the world.

    How do you know the primary season is over? (none / 0) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 10, 2016 at 03:09:20 PM EST
    There is an election today in West Virginia and nobody cares.

    Odds that Trump is the Next President (none / 0) (#69)
    by Mr Natural on Tue May 10, 2016 at 03:12:26 PM EST
    - at PoliticalOdds

    I'll save you a click.  Right now, the probability is 23%

    Why does that not surprise me? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 10, 2016 at 10:28:54 PM EST
    I mean, Trump's working political coalition of birthers, baggers, Birchers and blowhards was only going to carry him so far.

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    I would have guessed 30% (none / 0) (#70)
    by McBain on Tue May 10, 2016 at 04:27:27 PM EST
    but I wouldn't make any bets until he and Clinton pick VPs and the email investigation is over.  

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    West Virginia primary results (none / 0) (#73)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:09:46 PM EST
    Aboutc10 minutes ago I got an email from the Sanders campaign saying he had won today's West Virginia primary. I cannot find anything to corroborate that claim.

    Has anyone called WV for Sanders? I checked the NY Times and ABC and my newsfeed and nothing on the Dem results.

    MSNBernie (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:54:37 PM EST
    called it for Sanders.

    However, something like 40% of the people that voted for him in the primary would not vote for him if he was the nominee. It's the GOP messing in the primaries once again apparently.

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    Relax, they need the practice (none / 0) (#80)
    by Mr Natural on Tue May 10, 2016 at 09:43:30 PM EST
    voting for non-jerks.

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    Part of my travels this weekend included (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Tue May 10, 2016 at 07:23:46 PM EST
    a drive through rural Mississippi. I lost count of the number of yards that had both Trump signs and Confederate flags. In case there was any doubt about his base.

    My sister and I did bond over our mutual loathing of Trump, coming at it from opposite sides of the spectrum. She is a staunch Cruz supporter, and is convinced he will never cave and support Trump in the general election. I just said "We'll see..."  She herself says she will never vote for Trump, and I believe her. She was quite vehement about it!  Not sure what she will do - she probably won't vote for Hillary either. If there is some kind of an evangelical conservative third option she will probably go for it, or stay home.

    Memphis was fun - the U of Memphis graduation was at the FedEx arena, which is where the Grizzlies play,and new since I had been to Beale Street. Empties out right onto Beale. Also went to a good Mexican restaurant in the Midtown section with is I guess becoming a newer hot spot with the young folks.

    Taking the rest of the week off...I am so bad at unwinding I feel a little guilty about it. I'll get over it!

    Coming to DVD on May 11 (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Wed May 11, 2016 at 10:04:56 AM EST
    Sorry - May 17 (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Wed May 11, 2016 at 10:08:04 AM EST
    Politics make strange bedfellows (none / 0) (#85)
    by CST on Wed May 11, 2016 at 10:11:16 AM EST
    I'll never forget the time in 2008 when I met the "outspoken racist supporting Obama" voter.  I think at that point I truly knew he had it in the bag.  That's what happens when you follow a disastrous presidency I guess.  I'd bet they are Trump supporters right about now.

    I've yet to meet the "sexist for Hillary" voter, although I'm sure it exists somewhere with Trump in the mix.  But then sexist language is still more coded in a lot of ways.  Maybe that will change after Hillary is elected, the way all the racists came out of hiding after Obama.

    In all (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 11, 2016 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    honesty I don't think the people perpetuating the sexism even realize what they are doing. It seems like it's something that has been normalized in our culture unlike racism which people apparently do recognize.

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    INHERENT VICE (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 11, 2016 at 11:51:06 AM EST
    this is a very entertaining movie

    More so if you happened to be involved in the 70s drug culture.  Or wished you were.

    Lots of great actors popping up for small roles like Matrin Short, Reese Witherspoon, Eric Roberts, Jena Malone and others.

    It's been on my DVR for ages but I just got around to it because my DISH is turned off and my cable won't be turned on till Friday so I'm going through and watching all the stuff I recorded and never got around to watching.  There is way more than I will get through before Friday.

    Also means I will have some catching up to do.  TURN, Americans, Orphan Black......

    I saw it in the theater and enjoyed it a lot (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Thu May 12, 2016 at 12:20:50 PM EST
    The book was one of Pynchon's more straightforward storytelling efforts. Very funny as well.

    I saw your post on The Night Manager too...getting caught up with it on my tivo. Great story so far, and beautiful locations which I appreciate. Also Tom Hiddleston's baby blues....

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    Site Violator! (none / 0) (#93)
    by Nemi on Thu May 12, 2016 at 06:19:17 AM EST