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"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." RI.P. Muhammad Ali.

Authorities say Prince died of a self-administered Fentanyl overdose.

Weldon Angelos, who was sentenced to 55 years for marijuana, has been released after 12 years. He lost in the 10th Circuit and the Supreme Court. His clemency petition dangled for 3 years. Ultimately, his lawyer says, a prosecutor put in motion events to set him free.

He had no criminal record before he was convicted of selling $350 worth of marijuana to a police informant three times.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Muhammad Ali: (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:31:09 PM EST
    "I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky -- my name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."

    Outspoken confident black men (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:50:10 PM EST
    in this country are still all-too-often automatically labeled "arrogant" (the new uppity)

    How many times has Obama been called arrogant in the last 8 years?

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    George Lois' Ali Martyred Esquire Cover: (none / 0) (#14)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 05:02:39 PM EST
    I met Muhammid Alli (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:57:02 PM EST
    on a flight from Miami to LA way back when he was still ok.  I was last in line in the hallway entrance when he came around the corner and started talking to me.  Naturally I was stunned, but pulled out of it due to my under graduate studies in Aspen.  He spoke to every person on the plane and was sincere about everything.  It was an inspiring flight that I still think about.  His presence will be missed.

    There's no doubt about it.. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:10:39 PM EST
    the guy was the living, breathing embodiment of the word charisma.

    And it was all genuine and spontaneous. He made Elvis look like George Will.

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    In your Aspen adventures (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:11:20 PM EST
    Did you encounter the Farish family?  Rich, powerful, thighs with the Bushes?

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    No (none / 0) (#9)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:18:55 PM EST
    Yes, Ann Farish (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 06:32:08 PM EST
    was a sponsor of the U S ski team when I was on the team.  It was in the early 60's and my ancient mind refused to go back that far.  When a big race came to Aspen she would invite us to a cocktail party that the coach said we had to attend.  Naturally we couldn't drink because the coach was there.  But we did eat everything she served.  I don't think she was quite prepared, the first year, for a gang of hungry ski racers.  The following years she had plenty of food ready for us and we looked forward to her parties.  She was a kindly older woman, but seemed a bit strange.  We were invited to other similar parties sponsored by wealthy people that liked helping underfed ski racers.  This was back when amateur really meant amateur.  We couldn't accept any money, but we did receive free ski equipment.

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    as you know (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 06:48:03 PM EST
    she passed in 2013.  

    "a bit strange"
    yes.  eccentric might be a good word.  one very funny story i heard from my friend who knew this family was about her.  she apparently had a penthouse in a very upscale building in Houston.  someone moved into the space downstairs from her that she did not like.  like, at all.  this was many years ago  
    so she decided to take up tap dancing just to annoy them.  you might remember the great Steve Martin quote about doing the movie Pennies From Heaven that "learning to tap dance at 30 was like being hit by a truck every day".
    she soon learned she was not meant to tap dance so she just paid her teacher to bring his other students to her house to practice.

    true story.  she sounded a little like a Game od Thrones character.

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    Fishcamp, did you run across (none / 0) (#92)
    by Green26 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 07:14:33 PM EST
    Hank Kashiwa or Scott Berry on the US ski team? Don't know when Berry got on the team, but he was jumper in the '72 Olympics. Kashiwa was on the team earlier and in the 60's, but I don't think it made the Olympic team until '72.

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    Yes Green (none / 0) (#102)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 07:17:59 AM EST
    Hank Kashiwa is a long time friend.  He was on the ski team just after me.  Hank always ranked highly in the World Cup races, but won several races on the professional ski racing circuit after he left the team.  He was the same age and a team member with Billy Kidd, Spyder Sabich, Jimmy Huega, Billy Marolt, Moose Barrows and that gang.  Didn't know Scott Barrow, but knew of him.  We tried to stay away from those big jump hills.  When we raced in Steamboat Springs the slalom hill was right next to the 70 meter jump hill.  When racing those guys were soaring over us like Pterodactyls.

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    thighs with the Bushes (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:34:48 PM EST
    sounds like the Serbian side of my family.

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    Hee (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:49:51 PM EST
    TIGHT with the Bushes.  Remember the Beeville Ranch that GHW Bush used to frequent?  It's the Farish ancestral home.

    We took that conversation offline.  Probably should have been there anyway.  (He remembered them)

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    I was watching NBC News the other day, (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 05:31:01 PM EST
    I guess it was Thursday, as a form of self-punishment.  And they had a bit about commencement addresses, who gave them and at what school;  Condoleeza Rice at this place, Tom Brokaw at that place, etc.  So it inspired me to link to this one given by David Foster Wallace back in 2005.  It's probably better than anything that Rice or Brokaw could deliver.   This Is Water.

    I read blogs (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 07:34:14 PM EST
    ...so I won't have to watch the Sunday shows.  The ratio of BS to fact is so high that I wait for bloggers to sort it out for me.

    Mitch McConnell was on one of the shows, asked point blank whether Mr. Trump's statements regarding the judge in the civil trial were racist.

    Mitch couldn't decide between "yes" and "no."  He and every other GOP candidate will be hearing that one for the next five months.  They may want to work on an answer.

    Not just that one (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 07:50:46 PM EST
    That one and god only knows what else will come tomorrow.  Already since that exchange, or I guess about the same time, Trump doubled down.  Saying Muslim judges could not be trusted either.  Mitch, Ryan and all the rest are going to have to answer for Trump daily.  Hourly.  Republicans are beginning to panic.   And they should.

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    Time out for some sword fighty dragony (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:03:57 PM EST
    Castle hassle thing!

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    Holy hell, it's ....I won't spoil (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:05:09 PM EST
     But I'm happy

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    I want more of (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CST on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 10:10:15 AM EST
    Lady Mormont.  That scene was just about perfect.

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    He's BACK (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:08:56 PM EST
    and carrying giant logs all by his self.  And I think he got highlights.

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    Funny I was really referring to Ian McShane (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 10:05:14 PM EST
    then I saw the Hound!

    oh Arya, you were really not meant for the life of an assassin. Hope she lives to find another profession.

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    Ian McShane (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 10:12:20 PM EST
    Has an awsum role in last season of Ray Donavon.  I really think you should consider another shot at that one.

    The title of the next episode is No One.  I think we will see her bounce back.  We know the Queen is playing the Sparrow.

    Great episode of penny Dreadful too.

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    Building (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:58:12 PM EST
    To three killer episodes to wrap up the season.

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    Looks like Arya will be postponing her trip (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 09:57:17 PM EST
    These Starks need to figure out some better way of steering clear of sharp objects.

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    Looking forward to Yara and Theon meeting (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 12:37:40 PM EST
    up with the Mother of Dragons!  That scene with them in the bar was a little gem. Equal opportunity for girl on girl wenching.

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    Jon has a new 'do (none / 0) (#110)
    by ragebot on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 04:29:18 PM EST
    What will happen to the speculation that hair style results in potential love interest.  Not so sure about the Hound fighting A list opponents after seeing how he is limping after the leg injury; but I am still confused by the three riders self identified as members of the Brotherhood without Banners saying "The night is dark and full of terrors", something followers of the Lord of Light would say; in any case seems they are in for a bad time.  In earlier shows the Brotherhood without Banners did have some members who followed the Lord of Light, but not quite so obviously.  The origin of the Brotherhood was a band of Stark men fighting the Lanisters who turned independent after they were cut off behind enemy lines.  Seems their independence is at odds with following any religion.

    Also wondering about the Onion Knight aligning with the Starks.  A true Stark describing the threat of the White Walkers moving South would not say "death is coming", rather "Winter is coming".

    For me this was one of the more confusing, or perhaps poorly written, episodes ever.

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    Let's see, then: Can a black person (none / 0) (#45)
    by leap on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 12:04:22 AM EST
    get a fair trial before a white judge?

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    Q&A (none / 0) (#115)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 09:58:56 PM EST
    Can a black person get a fair trial before a white judge?

    Let's look at the historical record...

    Um, no.


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    Upon Capt. Howdy's advice (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:32:51 PM EST
    I did mention Gary Johnson to the gym guys.  The Marine tried to laugh it off, which to me meant he doesn't  even know who Johnson is.  The retired civil and criminal defense lawyer just glared at me and walked away.  He's no longer saying Hillary will be indicted this week.  They're lost sheep with no one left in their corral to vote for.  There must be millions of dissalusioned Republican sheep out there that Trump has released and are wandering aimlessly.  The Donald seems to fulfill all the seven Deadly Sins. They being anger, covetousness, envy, gluttony, lust, pride, and sloth.  Just in case you forgot...

    Did they (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:48:00 PM EST
    ever say who they were supporting when the GOP primary was going on?

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    Maybe revese psychology (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:56:29 PM EST
    Might have gone better.

    "Well, as long as you are not supporting that Gary Johnson guy!  Man what a nut that guy is. "

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    Happy Ramadan! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CST on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 03:42:19 PM EST
    I plan to celebrate by donating to Hillary.

    Will also probably attend an iftar or two, but frankly, waiting until sunset for dinner is a little harder this time of year.

    My sister decided to set up an advent calendar for her kids this year, which we always had for Christmas.  It's a nice way of combining the two traditions, IMO.  Although day one was not very successful, as her older son (4) had a meltdown upon discovering he only gets to open one day's worth of candy, and her younger son (2) snuck into it when no one was looking and ate a full week's worth of candy before he was discovered.

    It's been many years since I've attended (none / 0) (#84)
    by vml68 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 05:03:05 PM EST
    an Iftar. Does your sister cook any Turkish food for Iftar? Gullac?

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    her husband (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by CST on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 10:58:33 AM EST
    is more of a cook than she is (something that seems to run in the female line of my family... I swear we have many other talents), especially with any Turkish food, which btw is amazing.  I'm sure there will be some Gullac at some point, although maybe not homemade, those kinds of desserts tend to come from the store.

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    "20 minutes of action." (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 03:47:49 PM EST
    Gee, thanks, Dad. Anyone who take issue with the term "rape culture," or who doesn't understand what people mean when they use it, ought to read this story. The latent trivialization of women and their concerns is what women have to endure every single day.

    Sounds like a father who loves his son (none / 0) (#91)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 07:10:04 PM EST
    no matter what.  His bias prevents him from realizing his son's sentence could, and perhaps should, have been a lot worse.  

    But, Donald, this isn't the middle east, we don't have a rape culture.  

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    That's clearly not the point here. (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 08:10:37 PM EST
    As a parent, I can understand and empathize with a father's need to defend his child and ask for leniency, regardless of what that child did.

    But this young man's father deliberately and blithely characterized a young woman's sexual assault at his son's hands as nothing more than "20 minutes of action," which betrays a shockingly callous indifference on his part to the actual enormity of the crime for which that son was rightly convicted.

    And that, regardless of whatever you think or believe, is the very essence of a "rape culture," by which an act of assault, degradation and diminishment -- and worse -- by a male upon a female can be cavalierly minimized as nothing more than "20 minutes of action," if not outright condoned or dismissed altogether. As far as I know, neither Brock nor his father are residents of Abu Dhabi or Riyadh, so the Middle East has nothing to do with this matter.

    As such, yours is hardly the defining opinion on this matter -- not will it ever be, Allah willing.

    Aloha.

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    You have to better than that (none / 0) (#97)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:01:13 PM EST
    A protective father's stupid comments are not a reflection of our society's view of rape or crimes against women.  

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    I didn't say that. (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 01:31:08 PM EST
    Further, a rape culture doesn't have to reflect our society itself in order to still be present within that society, just as racism and intolerance can still exist and even thrive within our country's multicultural environment.

    Don't put words in my mouth.

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    That's not the problem (none / 0) (#114)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 09:44:58 PM EST
    Here's an article about a man falsely convicted of rape who doesn't agree with the Stanford student's sentence.
    It wasn't until 2012 when the Banks' accuser recanted her story that he got his life back and was declared an innocent man. He wound up serving five years and two months in prison and five years of high custody parole.

    Banks said this about the recent decision...

    "I would say it's a case of privilege," Banks said. "It seems like the judge based his decision on lifestyle. He's lived such a good life and has never experienced anything serious in his life that would prepare him for prison. He was sheltered so much he wouldn't be able to survive prison. What about the kid who has nothing, he struggles to eat, struggles to get a fair education? What about the kid who has no choice who he is born to and has drug-addicted parents or a non-parent household?"

    Instead of a "rape culure" problem.  We have a problem where innocent students are convicted of sexual crimes they didn't commit. Those without money tend to get treated even worse.  Banks accuser just made the entire thing up yet he ended up with a 6 year sentence.

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    Science is neat (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CST on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 11:46:24 AM EST
    Lyme disease is a big and growing problem around the northeast, and in MA it's especially bad on the islands, but there is now a plan to release a bunch of immune mice, which will keep ticks from getting it, which will keep humans from getting it.  So far this is only being proposed in isolated areas since they don't think they can get enough mice to infiltrate the mainland, but the islands have the highest rates of the disease in MA.  I wonder if it's something that could be expanded to places like the Cape or Long Island or if those aren't isolated enough.

    Although I worry a bit about unintended consequences, especially when you have islands with somewhat unique/isolated environments.

    It does sound a bit like (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 11:56:01 AM EST
    The first half of a bad SciFy movie.  

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    Just discovered (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 10:49:46 AM EST
    I have three more furry companions than I thought.   A mama and two kittens in a hollow tree in the corner of my yard.   They are very cute and totally feral.   Can't even get close but they have clearly started anticipating the food I have started putting out for them.   I will post pics when I can get close enough.

    Many moons ago, I adopted a feral kitten (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by vml68 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 01:10:56 PM EST
    from the shelter I used to volunteer for. One day I was feeding my dog a piece of chicken and this little thing came flying out of nowhere, making the most terrifying sounds and latched on to my arm nails digging in and snatched that piece of chicken from my fingers, biting me in the process. I have never been so afraid of a 3 lb creature.
    I gave her a wide berth for a few days. I am not ashamed to say that she scared the cr@p out of me.

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    I discovered them (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 01:28:35 PM EST
    Because the are in the side yard just outside the backyard, where the dogs are, and the seem to enjoy sitting just out of their reach and smiling at them.  The dogs go nuts.

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    We had (none / 0) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 01:36:28 PM EST
    a dog that loathed cats. There was one in the neighborhood that would come and sit on the top of the fence and laugh and laugh while the stupid dog barked and ran in circles underneath it.

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    Michael Brown grand jury witnesses to be named (2.00 / 1) (#93)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 07:17:04 PM EST
    What could possibly go wrong?

    U.S. District Judge E. Richard Webber's protective order spelling out terms of the release requires St. Louis County prosecutors to hand over the testimony and the names of grand jury witnesses to attorneys for Brown's family, which is pressing a wrongful-death lawsuit. The order bars the attorneys designated to see the grand jury items from making any of them public, lest they be jailed for contempt.

    I have to admit, I'm definitely curious to know more about that case. Specifically, how the "hands up, don't shoot" lie was spread.  

    I wonder if there's any chance (none / 0) (#1)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:16:59 PM EST
    TBI researchers will have an opportunity to examine Ali's brain the way they have with some of the football players who died..

    You can't tell me that all those years of taking hard shots to the head from the likes of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier and company didn't take a serious toll..

    Risk Factors for Parkinson's Disease (none / 0) (#3)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:49:29 PM EST
    Don't appear to include being a prize fighter.  See link.

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    People are very uncomfortable (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 03:53:43 PM EST
    entertaining for long the idea of someone destroying their bodies and those of others for our entertainment.

    Parkinsons shmarkinsons.


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    A couple of weeks ago, a pro football team (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:07:40 AM EST
    General Manager accidentally told the truth:

    "This is the game of football," Whaley told WGR 550 radio. "Injuries are part of it. It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play."


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    Closed head injuries (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:48:01 PM EST
    are hypothesized risk factors for Parkinson's Disease, but studies are inconclusive.  The associations are strongest, apparently, when the injuries involve concussions and unconsciousness. Boxers have been associated with a dementia that looks like Parkinson's, furthering interest in the relationship.

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    His style of fighting (none / 0) (#11)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 04:43:32 PM EST
    Dramatically changed when he came back from his hiatus.

    He had added on weight and lost some of his foot speed and elusiveness, and perhaps the quality of heavy weights was also vastly greater in the 70's than in the early 60's.
    3 fights with Joe Frazier, 3 with Ken Norton, among others.
    One never knew his ability to take punishment until his run in the 70's, and did he take a remarkable amount of punishment. I would agree, all that punishment must have taken a toll.

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    That's up to Ali's family. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 05:22:29 PM EST
    But that said, even if he did possess a genetic predisposition toward Parkinson's, the physical punishment he absorbed in the 1970s likely exacerbated its ultimate effect.

    Ali's jaw was broken in the first round of his first fight with Ken Norton in 1973, and he freely admitted after his victory in the 1975 "Thrilla in Manila" that he had actually been pummeled quite badly by Joe Frazier in that fight, which he called a near-death experience.

    Further, he was still fighting in the late '70s when he was clearly past his prime, ultimately losing three of his final four bouts, which included a vicious beating by Larry Holmes in 1980, which finally prompted his retirement from the ring.

    I don't see how anybody can say with a straight face that the punishment he endured wasn't a factor in his subsequent physical decline.

    Aloha.

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    I have (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 07:42:09 PM EST
    an uncle that died of Parkinson's and the doctors seemed to think the skiing accident he was in where he hit his head caused the Parkinson's to come on earlier than it might have otherwise. So that doctor would tend to agree with what you are saying.

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    Even when Ali was in his prime (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 06:05:54 PM EST
    he took some very hard shots on occasion..

    Old 'Enry Cooper had him on queer street until Angelo Dundee intentionally damaged Ali's gloves in the corner so that he would have more time to clear his head..

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    But Sir Henry Cooper landed the mother of all left hooks at the end of the 4th round of their June 1963 bout, and floored then-Cassius Clay for the first time in his career. Ali was literally saved by the bell. Had Cooper landed that punch 30 seconds earlier, he'd have won by KO.

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    Nice piece in the WAPO (none / 0) (#17)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 07:28:20 PM EST
    Today's secret phrase is (none / 0) (#19)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jun 04, 2016 at 08:34:40 PM EST
    "regulatory capture."

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    Gary Johnson (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 07:45:20 AM EST
    Is on Press the Meat.

    Which is on early because of some sports thing.  8 here.

    some sports thing... (none / 0) (#23)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:09:08 AM EST
    c'mon Howdy it's the men's finals of the French Open tennis tournament, with Novak Djokovic playing Andy Murray, numbers one and two in the tennis world.  The winner wins $2.3 M.  And I thought you didn't like Press the Meat anyway.  (-:

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    Here's your French Open, fishcamp, (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 02:41:43 PM EST
    as played in Nantes.

    lol; that is a heckuva shot.  June 2, 2016, at a protest over French labor law reform.

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    Technically (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 08:14:38 AM EST
    It's some sports thing.

    I don't. Really.  But interested in both what Johnson says and how he is treated by Chuck Terd and the pod people.  I still think he and Weld are going to bed up being more of a force in this that most seem to think.  Donalds spiraling lunacy will insure it.

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    Then for that matter, we might henceforth ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 11:51:43 AM EST
    ... refer to "Game of Thrones" as some knight fight / castle hassle TV thing. And anyway, reruns of Julia Child's "The French Chef" have more relevance to people's lives than does Chuck Todd's tiresomely predictable and sorry-a$$ed take on whatever presently passes for conventional wisdom inside the Beltway.

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    Whatever you say (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 12:10:04 PM EST
    Donald

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    MTP is a waste of my time. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 03:38:00 PM EST
    Sunday gasbag shows like that are for people who prefer the simple comfort of pompous platitudes and glittering generalities, rather than have to conduct actual policy analysis and participate in thoughtful discussion. One gains next to nothing from them, save perhaps for an appreciation of the level of one's personal tolerance for such foolishness and nonsense.

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    BTW I actually filmed Julia Childs (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 04:15:21 PM EST
    once for a cooking show, which I had never done before.  I may have mentioned this story once before.  Anyway I just set up way back in the auditorium and filmed her straight on.  They had a mirror on a 45 degree angle above her that I went to for the actual frying pan shot.  It was incredibly simple and I had been all worried about how to do it.  I was a sports cameraman, but Julia was quite sporty.

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    ... with Dan Aykroyd dolled up in drag as Ms. Child. Reportedly, she enjoyed Aykroyd's parody of her so much that she would show it to friends at parties. She was quite a remarkable woman, who met her husband Paul when both were working for the OSS (the forerunner to today's CIA) during the Second World War. She's actually from my hometown of Pasadena, CA, although she spent most of her adult life on the east coast in Cambridge, MA.

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    The Johnson interview is up (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 02:13:55 PM EST
    not much in the way of news if you have seen him interviewed before.
    I think some people, republicans mostly, are going to hear him and decide on foreign policy, inasmuch  as Donald has one, he's not that different.  And on domestic policy he sounds like a real republican.   With the added benefit of not sounding insane.

    Most people here will disagree with everything he says about domestic policy and agree with a lot of what he says about foreign policy and intervention.

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    Trump can now add a (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 11:21:21 AM EST
    contender to his vice presidential list: Former W. Bush Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales.

    Gonzales has earned his way into consideration by defending Trump's attack on Judge Curiel. In short, because fair trial.

    However, Gonzales does state: "Curiel's Mexican heritage alone would not be enough to raise a question of bias (for all we know, the judge supports Trump's pledge to secure our border and enforce the rule of law."

    But, of course, it was Curiel's Mexican heritage alone that Trump cited. Gonzales makes up some new, albeit lame, reason on behalf of Trump: Judge Curiel belongs to a legal group that Gonzales wonders about.

    But, it was good to hear from Gonzales; he seemed to have gone missing after being forced out of his AG job after his  "faulty recall" of events about the firing of 7 US Attorneys.

      Gonzales' recollection of events was so disabled that even the Bush ally and certified wingnut, Senator Sessions (R Alabama) became exasperated during Congressional questioning and his recall problem: Gonzales explained that too much was going on to remember anything, his calendar showed "weighty" issues that week, such as National Meth Awareness Day, and the inauguration of the new president of Mexico. And, in fairness, Gonzales was also busy enabling the Bush/Cheney administration's "enhanced interrogation." So that counts, too.

    Gonzales should have tried a "taco bowl" justification for Trump--he loves tacos and he loves Mexicans, so it was not Trump's racism, but a roll out in case he lost his fraud case. Just looking out for himself.  Trump/Gonzales 2016

    It's funny how (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 12:13:30 PM EST
    "Groups a judge belongs to" only seem relevant to these people if they "wonder" about them.   I wonder about some of the groups Clarence Thomas is linked to.  Wonder if heckuvajob Bertie does.

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    Wonder if (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 08:17:55 AM EST
    Trump thinks his sister, the federal judge, should recuse herself from every case because she's related a racist, bigoted, xebophobic, a$$hole?

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    Watching and reading this morning (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:12:33 AM EST
    Has been a joy.  They are truly panicked.  Newt fer gods sake Gingrich was on the Sunday shows just bashing Trump and these comments.

    Let that sink in.

    How f@vjed up do you need to be to lose Newt in a race against Hillary?  I guess we now know.

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    That's hystiercal (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:33:39 AM EST
    that Newt is even going after Trump 'cause he was the guy who couldn't lick Trump's boots long enough and fast enough last week.

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    Newt sez (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:46:22 AM EST
    it was a inexcusable mistake

    Trump sez

    Newts tounglashing was "inappropriate"

    On the upside, such as it is, this is helping to make Sanders even more irrelevant.   He can hold his breath and stomp his feet until November and every single Bernie or buster can stay home - or vote for Trump fir that matter - it won't make any difference.  
    A person who says this stuff will never be president.  

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    A 74 year old (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:57:21 AM EST
    toddler is a sad sight to see.

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    Thanks Ga6thDem. Nothing brightens the day (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 10:52:19 AM EST
    of an upper middle-aged citizen like a little ageism and discrimination.

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    I thought it (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 12:43:45 PM EST
    was toddler libel.

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    You should probably start bracing yourself (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 11:11:45 AM EST
    Because it's going to get much worse after next Tuesday.

    Here's the truth.  Your boy has become ridiculous.  His campaign and his supporters have become ridiculous.  He's a fraud and a gadfly and the kid gloves that he has been handled with for about a year are going to come on Wednesday.

    Just a heads up.

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    Or he could always go to site (none / 0) (#131)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 02:58:04 PM EST
    that looks at reality in simpleminded unambiguous black and white terms the way this site does lately, but with the roles of the major players reversed, so that the Savior here becomes the great Satan there.

    I'm sure there are at least a few of those sites left.

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    Switzerland "just says no" to Bernie (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 07:05:40 PM EST
    GENEVA - Voters overwhelmingly rejected a referendum Sunday that would have made Switzerland the world's first country to guarantee a generous monthly income to all 8.1 million residents.

    Nearly 77% of the voters opposed the controversial measure that would mandate the government to pay $2,600 a month to each adult -- regardless of work status or wealth -- and $650 to each child. Only 23% favored the referendum.



    They (none / 0) (#36)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jun 05, 2016 at 07:34:49 PM EST
    Expected the vote to be closer,

    But recent events seemed to have dissuaded the Swiss

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    via Digby, Tom Sullivan provides good example of (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 07:31:58 AM EST
    effective political pressure applied in the case of Social Security protection and expansion.

    Excellent model for post-election pressure on Hillary for progressive goals.

    No fishing today down here (none / 0) (#48)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 07:45:22 AM EST
    due to tropical storm Colin over on the west coast of Florida.  We're getting 25 mph winds but no rain yet.  This is the third named storm of the year, so I guess it's true that el niño and la niña have reversed to their regular pattern.  We need a small hurricane to thin the jungle that has overgrown south Florida for the last nine years.  A cat 1 will be just right, nothing more please.  Or maybe a 60 to 70 mph tropical storm.  No biggies needed.

    I don't think Donald wants to be president (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 12:31:18 PM EST
    Seriously.
    I don't think he ever expected to win the nomination.  It was a game.  Suddenly he wakes up and realizes he's in line for the hardest job in the world.  I don't think, on considering it, he wants the job.

    Who would, really.

    Whatever else you think about him he is not stupid.  He has to know what he is doing is politically suicidal.  My relatives who have been the staunchest supporters are horrified.   And pi$$ed.   It's not so much that they disagree with the judiciary comments but they are smart enough to know they are deadly.  I think Donald does too.  

    Could he be trying to goad the party into ousting him at the convention?  They absolutely could do it.  And if he keeps this stuff up very few people would care very much.

    Hey! (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 12:56:04 PM EST
    You've mocked me for months for saying this!

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    You're right. I have. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:02:40 PM EST
    I grovel in mortification.

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    LOL! Why am I having a hard time (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by vml68 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:07:59 PM EST
    I grovel in mortification.

    imagining this ever occurring under any circumstances in your life?

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    I tell that to Younger Daughter all the time. She gets totally motified when other people do and / or say stupid and / or offensive stuff, to the point where she feels compelled to apologize for them.

    That drives me crazy, especially when she does it on behalf of her friends and boyfriend. I suppose it's admirable that she has a conscience that's bothered by such things, but thank you, we have enough Catholic martyrs and confessors in the family. Our mistakes and sins should be our own and not other people's, too.

    The good Cap'n may be rightly accused of many things, but being someone's else's emotional doormat is hardly likely to be one of them.

    Aloha.

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    Jeebus, Donald! I was just teasing (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by vml68 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 04:55:38 PM EST
    CaptHowdy. He is one of the few posters I feel comfortable picking on because I am confident he gets when it is good-natured teasing as opposed to mocking.
    And, judging by his online persona, we have very similar personalities, so I am pretty sure he can handle it.

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    I know you were. (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 06:56:13 PM EST
    He's a good-natured soul, who so happens to not suffer fools for very long. I just wish my daughter had more of his type of moxie in her dealing with others, and was less inclined to play Mona Lisa.

    Aloha. ;-D

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    It's true. (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 04:34:59 PM EST
    Denying it would be pointless.

    In breaking Trump news----

    As the list of republicans condemning this and begging him to just STFU and move on grows it's being reported that Trump is redoubling down.  Telling his surrogates to go even harder after this judge and possibly others and to call any journalists who question them racists.

    no sh!t

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    Thanks to Hillary's (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:00:09 PM EST
    breaking of the sound barrier, the media discovered that maybe, just maybe, they, too, can start doing their job and calling out Trump. And, not only remain standing, but also, get some favorable ratings.

    It has always been glaringly apparent that Trump could never survive even half hearted scrutiny. Trump was saved by the number 17--his competing ne'er-do-wells and mental giants, such as Chuck Todd.

     And, then there is Newt, the aspiring Trump running mate doing the unforgivable--criticizing Trump. At a time of need, at that. Even Trump's wingnut base must be looking with nostalgia and remorse for overlooking a stronger candidate, Jim Gilmore.

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    Also (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:10:05 PM EST
    If he runs against Hillary he is going to lose.  I don't think there is a person in the country with even a passing understanding of demographics and electoral math who would disagree.  
    Which would make him not JUST a loser but possibly the biggest loser in history, losing to Hillary Clinton for Obamas third term.

    But

    If he can goad them into tossing him out of the convention he can always say he was cheated.

    I dunno.  It's just that none of this makes any sense and it's like my brain is desperately trying to make a sensible story out of completely disjointed nightmare images.


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    As much as I would (none / 0) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:40:25 PM EST
    like you and jbindc to be right on this for the country's sake, I think this is fanciful.  Trump is in his element, although this isn't the week of his dreams.  He is competitive, if nothing--and he must want to see this through.

      A mitigating factor, that supports your idea, is the apparent hits he is taking on his business. And, that, of course, is his bottom line.

     On the other hand,the anybody but Trump movement has experienced a devastating  loss what with the dropping out of Bill (always correct) Kristol's savior, David French--a writer for the National Review, who pretty much locked up his wife from the evils of the world while he went off to Iraq.  He also had the support of Mittens.

     David was not well known, but he did have name recognition. Salad dressing, fries, kissing, and, not to be forgotten, the people of France.  But, David determined that 2016, like all years, was not his time. So now bereft of better candidates, Reince et al. may just stick with Donald.

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    I don't disagree (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:51:37 PM EST
    Except I'm not sure it would be good for the country if we were right.  I begin to thnk a Trump candidacy might be a veritable gift from God for democrats.  Joe Scarborough said this morning what I said months ago.  Trump, and Ryan's "endorsement", put the House in play.   No other candidate would do that.

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    Agree, (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 02:00:57 PM EST
    Good for the country in that it would eliminate that danger and, perhaps, assure the senate and put the House in play.  But, the Republicans would only parachute in a polite Trump- with a nano-patina of cover but the same inside.  They have the clown car primary losers as well as recent presidential losers such as Mittens and McCain. Maybe, we should join Reince et al and stick with Trump--After all.

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    I have had (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:04:43 PM EST
    the same thoughts and even wondered if he wasn't really going to turn his run into a reality series and make a lot of money.

    However I don't get why going after the judge was such a problem and calling all Hispanics rapists and other names with his voters.

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    Oh (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:15:22 PM EST
    I do.  Even my wing nut relatives were throwing up their hands at this one.   As I said, I think for many, it's not that they disagree as much as they think it was an incredibly stupid and completely unforced error.

    You simply can't say a guy from Indiana, appointed by a republican, who had to live for years under bodyguard while going after the Mexican drug cartels, can't be fair because his family was from Mexico.  And the guy is not even first generation.  You just can't do it.

    And then he doubles down with Muslim judges.  

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:21:30 PM EST
    Well, now there is the theory "out there" that people like Newt et al are going after Trump on this so they can use this as an excuse to replace him at the convention. Of course replacing him doesn't change a whole lot as most of these idiots have already announced their support for Trump. And I guess if you're going to lose anyway why not lose with someone else though I can't imagine who that person would be unless they resurrect one of the long ago candidates who dropped out.

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    (cough) Romney (cough) (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:24:14 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 01:46:04 PM EST
    that's true. For some reason I always forget about Romney. He seems to really want it for sure and I'm not sure if any of the others want it except maybe Ted Cruz.

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    They can announce their support (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 02:23:21 PM EST
    for someone else just as easily as they announced their support for Trump. There is no principle involved beyond the support of primary voters - if they make a group decision that Trump has made himself so toxic that they will be forgiven by the base for overriding the will of primary voters, they won't hesitate to do it.

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    Far better that Republicans ... (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 08:28:31 PM EST
    ... instead simply write this presidential election off altogether, and seek to protect the GOP's down-ticket candidates from the expected fallout, rather than incur the enduring wrath of a large portion of their own base only months shy of Election Day.

    Regardless of how we feel about Trump personally, he won the Republican nomination fair and square. Unless he chooses of his own accord to walk away from that nomination, any attempt by the GOP elite at the convention to deny him his rightful due would put at risk their entire house of cards.

    Because if that turns out to be the case, I hardly think that Trump would be leaving Cleveland empty-handed. He'll take a not-insignificant chunk of his voters with him, which would invite Democrats to go full throttle in an effort to run the table, regardless of whomever the GOP elite chooses to replace him.

    Aloha.

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    If he won, he would resign pretty fast (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 02:25:26 PM EST
    with some excuse about how the job was beneath him. I think I've said that before. So his VP pick is really to be watched.

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    Life imitates IDIOCRACY (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 04:19:53 PM EST
    this is amazing

    Early in the 2016 primary race, comedy screenwriter Etan Cohen began to notice some similarities between the Republican candidate, mendacious former reality star Donald Trump, and Cohen's 2006 movie Idiocracy, which features fictional wrestling champ-turned-president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Terry Crews). Ever since, those similarities have only grown, leading to Cohen and Mike Judge, who wrote and also directed Idiocracy, now working on a series of anti-Trump ads with Crews reprising his role.

    Cohen and Judge have always maintained that the movie had a kernel of truth to it, but, Cohen said, "We just thought it would take much, much longer to get to this point." The film was meant as a satire of the obsession with celebrity and entertainment culture in America. "Obviously, when writing the movie, we knew that that was true about TV and movies and pop culture," he said. "But it was a crazy joke to think that it could be extrapolated to politics. It seems to be happening really rapidly."

    IDIOCRACY is one of the funniest and most prescient movies ever made.   If you are unlucky enough to have never seen it,  stop whatever you are doing a log onto to NETFLIX right now and watch it.

    This guy (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 05:06:25 PM EST
    Oops (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 05:11:42 PM EST
    Spell correct did that.  NOT Ethan Coen ETAN COHEN.  he wrote Tropoc Thunder.  

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    Ex-Stanford swimmer's 6-month sentence (none / 0) (#87)
    by Green26 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 06:20:59 PM EST
    for sexual assault. I read that the probation office recommended 6 months. Prosecution asked for 6 years. Defense for 4 months.

    I wonder what was behind the recommendation from the probation office.

    The sentence and judge are sure getting hammered. So much for following the recommendation of the probation office, assuming what I read was accurate.

    That's what judges are supposed to do. I may not agree with his decision, but that's entirely his call and not mine. He sat through the trial, he knows the evidence and I have to trust his judgment in this matter. My opinion, like others, is likely more an emotional reaction than anything else, and judges aren't supposed to be swayed by emotion. Regardless, Judge Presky may soon find himself the subject of a recall effort by California voters.

    That said, I think a lot of people are rightly angry at the probation officer's pre-sentencing report, which apparently misrepresented the views of the victim herself. She said in her interview that she didn't wish for her assailant to "rot in prison," which was apparently misreported as a request on her part for the judge to show her assailant leniency. And so she had to subsequently correct that miscue on the stand for the public record when she delivered her statement in court:

    "Now to address the sentencing. When I read the probation officer's report, I was in disbelief, consumed by anger which eventually quieted down to profound sadness. My statements have been slimmed down to distortion and taken out of context. I fought hard during this trial and will not have the outcome minimized by a probation officer who attempted to evaluate my current state and my wishes in a fifteen minute conversation, the majority of which was spent answering questions I had about the legal system. The context is also important. Brock had yet to issue a statement, and I had not read his remarks.

    "My life has been on hold for over a year, a year of anger, anguish and uncertainty, until a jury of my peers rendered a judgment that validated the injustices I had endured. Had Brock admitted guilt and remorse and offered to settle early on, I would have considered a lighter sentence, respecting his honesty, grateful to be able to move our lives forward. Instead he took the risk of going to trial, added insult to injury and forced me to relive the hurt as details about my personal life and sexual assault were brutally dissected before the public. He pushed me and my family through a year of inexplicable, unnecessary suffering, and should face the consequences of challenging his crime, of putting my pain into question, of making us wait so long for justice.

    "I told the probation officer I do not want Brock to rot away in prison. I did not say he does not deserve to be behind bars. The probation officer's recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft time­out, a mockery of the seriousness of his assaults, an insult to me and all women. It gives the message that a stranger can be inside you without proper consent and he will receive less than what has been defined as the minimum sentence. Probation should be denied. I also told the probation officer that what I truly wanted was for Brock to get it, to understand and admit to his wrongdoing."

    (Emphasis is mine. I would urge everyone to read the entirety of the victim's statement to the court, to which I've linked above. While it's quite graphic at points, it's nevertheless very powerful and moving beyond words.)

    Further, many people are also terribly upset at both the defendant's apparent unwillingness to express suitable remorse for his actions and, as I noted above in #79, his father's trite trivialization of his son's rape of that young woman as "20 minutes of action":

    "As it stands now, Brock's like has been deeply altered by the events of Jan 17 and 18. He will never be his happy go lucky self with that easy going personality and welcoming smile. His every waking minute is consumed by worry, anxiety, fear and depression. [...] This is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of life." (Again, emphasis is mine.)

    That was a shockingly poor choice of words on his father's part, to say the very least, and one would surely be forgiven for thinking "like father, like son." That may not be a fair assessment but hey, who said life was fair?

    Aloha.

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    This article has what the probation officer said (none / 0) (#99)
    by Green26 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 10:56:22 PM EST
    the accuser told the officer: "Armstrong noted that the victim herself told probation officers: "I don't want him to rot away in jail; he doesn't need to be behind bars."

    Article. This article was prior to the sentencing.

    Note the last part of the quote. Either she changed her mind or omitted this part of what she said, or the probation officer got it wrong. The last part, i.e. he doesn't need to be behind bars, contradicts what she said in court.

    I find it interesting how few articles are mentioning the probation officer's report and recommendation of 6 months, and how almost none are mentioning this supposed quote of the accuser to the probation officer. Media bias? Doesn't fit their agenda?

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    The victim is clearly saying that ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 01:22:40 PM EST
    ... the probation officer got it wrong and misquoted her in the pre-sentencing report. Read the statement she just gave in court.

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    But did she not say it to the probation officer (none / 0) (#111)
    by Green26 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 06:27:27 PM EST
    or did she change her mind? What's the probation officer's incentive for misquoting her, or why/how would he goof up something like this? Seems like this would be very important in a probation report, in fact almost critical, and he would surely know that he probably wouldn't get away with misquoting her.

    Did she file something recently with the court, or are you just referring to her letter that I think she read in court?

    She's getting lots of press and support for writing a great letter, but I have a different view of the letter.

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    Do you even understand what this over-privileged preppy jackass Brock Turner did to this young woman? He took her outside behind a dumpster while she was blitzoid drunk (and semi-conscious at best), and then stripped her down and penetrated her vaginally with his hand while he masturbated! He tore her up, literally.

    Who knows what would've happened to her, had not two Swedish exchange students not come upon the scene while out bicycle riding, and then confronted Brock, chased him down and tackled him as he tried to run away. Then, this now-convicted sex offender had the friggin' nerve to insist under oath in court that the victim had consented to sex with him because you know, he's a studly blond college athlete and she just wanted it so bad, man!

    Now, I'm a former college athlete myself, and I think I'm old enough and have been around enough to have known a few pretty wild girls in my time. But I never met any girl -- wasted drunk, stone-cold sober or otherwise -- who would have ever consented to having sex with even her boyfriend on a gravel driveway behind a trash dumpster, never mind with a total stranger. That's the plot of a low-rent p*rn movie.

    And then to top it all off, in an otherwise understandable plea for a judge's leniency, this clown's father dismisses the magnitude of his son's crime as nothing more than "20 minutes of action." Poor Brock, he so stressed out that he won't even eat his favorite foods any more! Oh, the humanity! Hey, Pops -- how do you think his victim feels?

    Jeez Louise, what's with the morally atrophied mentalities of people who would believe that girls who get drunk at college parties are just sluts who are simply asking for it, while guys who get drunk at these same parties are otherwise not responsible for their own actions when they take advantage of the situation? Apparently, members of the jury likely felt the same way I do, because they found this a$$wipe guilty of attempted rape and sexual assault with intent to rape.

    So, how do you know what the victim said to the probation officer? Were you a fly on the wall when she was being interviewed? Why are you simply assuming that after everything she's endured, she would lie about something like that -- and further would do so in court, no less, in front of the very judge who's about to pronounce sentence upon her assailant?

    Honestly, guys like you just trip me out. Actually, you don't just trip me out, but speaking as a father of a daughter who's a senior in college, you offend me deeply with such unsubstantiated and misogynistic insinuations about the victim's intent.

    That's the very essence of rape culture -- somehow and regardless of the evidence, she's a vindictive lying b*tch. Fortunately, not all men are like that.

    I'm through with you here.

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    Donald, sorry but you don't know (none / 0) (#118)
    by Green26 on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 12:02:00 AM EST
    what the woman said to the probation officer. I will take the word of the probation officer over the accuser. He had zero incentive to lie or to make a big mistake over what was said. She is more likely to be changing her tune, in my view.

    Donald, you also don't know what happened out on the grass, which happened to be behind a dumpster. You don't know what the woman said or how she was when they got there. There was no evidence that the guy carried her there. She is the one who drank enough to be 3 times over .08. He was 2 times over .08.

    If she can't remember anything and was unconscious, how does she know what she said or didn't say, or how she acted or didn't act? If she can't remember, how is she so traumatized?

    She apparently admits that she said he shouldn't rot behind bars. It seems like she could have also said to the probation officer that she didn't think he should go to jail.

    I am not giving this guy a pass in any respect, but I don't think the woman deserves a pass either. Being convicted of felonies, having to register as a sex offender, having his life all over the internet, being kicked out of Stanford, being out of college swimming, etc., is hardly a slap on the wrist. Is that your idea of a slap on the wrist?

    By the way, I have a daughter at Stanford now. She knows one of the Swedes.

    And, oh, I played 2 college sports. What was your sport?

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    Another O.J. show? (none / 0) (#98)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 06, 2016 at 09:15:40 PM EST
    ESPN and ABC are going to air an epic, 7 hour O.J. Simpson documentary in segments, starting 6/11.  

    After the recent FX series and all the countless other specials, who in their right might needs more? Well.... me for one.  I'm going to watch every minute of it.

    I just wish they would do the same thing with the other high profile cases..... Scott Peteson, Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman.  Each time we have one of these, it shows how little we've learned over the years in terms of bias, rush to judgement and media influence.  

    I listend to the OJ trial (none / 0) (#100)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 12:55:14 AM EST
    ...and downloaded the transcripts.

    how little we've learned over the years in terms of bias, rush to judgement and media influence.
     

    PLEASE don't tell me that you think OJ was innocent.

    Despite the disgusting nature of the defense, essentially ruining the life of the cop who found the most damning evidence, Clarke and Darden could have won it if they hadn't completely botched the closing argument.

    The dude was guilty as the day is long, there was a mountain of evidence, and he walked.  Jury didn't even bother to deliberate because the prosecutors failed to make the proper closing argument that would have made it impossible for them to shirk their duty.

    The right closing argument could have been made in ten minutes, but they wasted two hours making the wrong one, because they are lawyers and they don't know how to think like people.

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    I believe the LAPD (none / 0) (#101)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 01:06:25 AM EST
    probably framed a guilty man.  I'm not convinced he acted alone and I don't blame the jury for their verdict.  

    I do blame the media for abysmal coverage of the trial.  They convinced millions that O.J. was going to be convicted when it was a 50/50 chance at best once the jury was selected.    

    You're not convinced he acted alone? (none / 0) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 09:22:36 PM EST
    "Hey -- wanna ride shotgun as I drive over to my ex-wife's condo, and then act as lookout while I confront her, chase her down and slit her throat?"

    Uh, no. The sheer butchery on display in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman very strongly suggests that this was a crime of passion -- and the perpetrators of such crimes of passion are hardly likely to have accomplices.

    Aloha.

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    Actually an ex-FBI profiler makes a good (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 03:08:19 PM EST
    case that someone else was involved. See the latest episode of Jim Clemente's Real Crime Profile podcast if you are really interested in the details of his theory. It is based on crime scene details and behaviors the day of the killing.  I don't want to get Jerilyn in trouble by naming names.

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    By someone else I mean OJ plus one more (none / 0) (#136)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 05:06:11 PM EST
    And that said, I was not entirely convinced though he does raise things I have not considered.

    I want to make clear though that I do not think the LAPD framed OJ.

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    Once again, no (none / 0) (#139)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 09:28:47 PM EST
    I mean OJ plus one more

    There is quite a bit of physical evidence that OJ left at the crime scene and which ties him to it.  There is no evidence of anyone else there other than the victims.

    OJ was quite capable of doing the murders without help.  He outweighed Goldman by 40 pounds and was five inches taller.  OJ would have been pumped and Goldman would have been taken by surprise.  The murder of Nicole was premeditated.  Goldman was collateral damage because he found OJ in the act of killing Nicole.

    To his credit, Goldman put up a valiant fight.  OJ had him from behind, holding him with his left hand and stabbing with his right, but Goldman was able to claw the left glove and the cap off, and inflict scratches on the hand, while OJ accidentally added to the wounds by cutting his hand with his own knife.

    When OJ got back to his house, he saw that he couldn't drive into the driveway, because the chauffeur who was going to be his alibi, had actually arrived early and found no one home, so he was parked in the driveway waiting.

    To avoid being seen by the chauffeur, OJ turned off the engine and coasted to the curb, which left his vehicle badly parked on the street instead of in his garage, while he left town.  Unusual car parking behavior to say the least.  The dome light bulb had been removed and was found on the floor, which meant that when the door was opened, the light would not go on.

    OJ had to sneak around his own grounds, trying to find a place to stash bloody clothes.  He ran into Kato Kaelin's air conditioner so hard that Kato commented to the woman he was talking to on the phone that he wondered whether it was an earthquake.  He dropped the right hand glove at this time.  No one would have bothered looking there had Kato not reported the incident.  The chauffeur saw him trying to sneak past he limo into the house.  The bell had not been answered before the chauffeur saw the shadowy figure, but afterward OJ answered it, said he would be down in ten minutes.

    The chauffeur handled OJ's bags, with the exception of a small satchel, which OJ insisted on handling himself.  He got out of the limo with it, but when he got off the plane in Chicago, he didn't have it with him.  At LAX, OJ's odd behavior drew the attention of a skycap, who testified that OJ was acting very strangely, while standing next to a trash bin.

    OJ's plan was to be out of town with an alibi when the murder was discovered.  He ditched the bloody clothes far from the murder scene, although he missed a bloody sock in his bedroom.  At first the police assumed that he was on an airplane and had an ironclad alibi, which is where all "framing" conspiracy theories fall apart.  The timeline of OJ's movements was not established for several days after the murders.

    WHY WOULD POLICE RISK CAREERS FOR NO POSSIBLE REWARD, IN ORDER TO "FRAME" A MAN WHO THEY BELIEVED AT THE TIME HAD AN AIRTIGHT ALIBI?

    Pardon the caps.

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    Utter BS (none / 0) (#116)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 10:10:11 PM EST
    I believe the LAPD probably framed a guilty man
    .

    You are suggesting that a whole bunch of people with no motive to do so, engaged in a criminal conspiracy that they coordinated and executed without communicating with each other, and which had no possible reward except a jail term.

    Walk me through this conspiracy, who did what, when and why, and how did they coordinate this conspiracy without communicating with each other?  How many people were involved, and what did each of them do?

    Use the transcripts to support your argument.

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    I don't believe it involved a "whole bunch (none / 0) (#117)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 11:42:48 PM EST
    of people".  

    During the trial I had some issues with how the bloody glove was found.  After the trial I had issues with the bloody sock.  I didn't trust the detectives who found them.  I think there's a good chance one or two of them messed with the evidence. I believe they were convinced of O.J.'s guilt and might have taken short cuts to strengthen their case.  

    Feel free to "walk me though" why you think it didn't happen.  

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    Now you're just being silly (none / 0) (#119)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 09:31:36 AM EST
    Feel free to "walk me though" why you think it didn't happen.

    "Feel free to prove a negative."

    Your assertion, not mine.  Where's YOUR evidence of a massive conspiracy involving multiple conspirators??

    We knew from physical evidence at the murder scene that the killer was a black man with short hair who wore size 12 shoes and had a blood type found in one out of 500 black males, OJ being one of those rare people.

    We just eliminated 99.95% of the L.A. population, BUT NOT OJ.

    Killer wore Isotoner Leather-Lite XL gloves.  Only six pairs had been sold west of the Mississippi, two pairs owned by OJ.  We just eliminated all but the four other owners of those gloves, BUT NOT OJ.

    Bloody size 12 footprint in victims' blood on OJ's Bronco carpet, along with his own blood on door handle.  Explain please.

    OJ had 13 fresh wounds to his left hand, the glove found at the scene was the left glove.  The other glove from the pair was found on OJ's property.  What is your theory as to how it got there?

    OJ was bleeding on the night of the murder, a drop of his blood found on his freshly cleaned floor.

    As far as police knew on the night of the murder, OJ was on an airplane with a solid alibi.  Why would they frame a guy they assumed had an alibi?

    Your turn.

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    I was wondering about the TrumpU case (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 12:03:46 PM EST
    A.) Trump seems to be trying to bully the judge into recusing himself.  Well, sort of.  Apparently they have made no request, or whatever you call it, to replace the judge.  So maybe its more like just bullying the judge to rule in his favor.
    B.) there has been a lot of complaining from the plaintiffs about the current judge allowing the trial to be delayed until after the election.  Which was very good for Trump and possibly why there has been request for a new judge.

    C.) and the question.  
    I wonder what the chances are - and I'm asking because I have no idea if it's even possible - that this judge will get fed up, recuse himself, let another judge take the case who who say, "hey, you know what?  Let's just have this trial and get it over with?  Let's have it right now.  Before the election."

    The law of unintended consequences.

    I was also wondering (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 07, 2016 at 12:36:25 PM EST
    does Trump have some dirt on several high profile Republicans? Jim Abbot and Pam Bondi in particular, this seems extrodinarily fishy to me: Florida's attorney general personally solicited a political contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates

    I seem to remember only mild attacks against Trump regarding his "University" which seemed to be a big fat target for his main opponents, Bush, Rubio and Cruz who just coincidentally came from TX and FL......hmmm.

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    Article today (none / 0) (#120)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 11:41:43 AM EST
    In the NYtimes about how the U.S. has a higher percentage of infant deaths than many other developed countries.

    The article goes on to say that it doesn't seem to be related to prenatal care.

    One thing that the article never even brings up, but to me seems like the obvious place to go - is the total lack of real parental leave available.

    Maybe if parents were actually able to spend some time focusing on caring for their infant, they'd be less likely to die in the early months.  Just a thought.

    of this years ago.

    iirc, one of the major factors in US infant mortality is the higher obesity rates of the us mothers.

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    From the study (none / 0) (#122)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 12:46:00 PM EST
    "First, the researchers differentiated between neonatal mortality (death before one month of age) and postneonatal mortality (death between 1 and 12 months of age). The results showed that when it comes to neonatal mortality, the United States and other countries were pretty similar. If anything, the authors report, the United States might have a mortality advantage during this period.

    Differences in postneonatal mortality, or from one month to one year, however, were much more stark. In fact they begin to accelerate at one month of age."

    "Deaths in the postneonatal period are due, in large part, to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), sudden death and accidents. Moreover, they seem to occur disproportionately in poor women."

    Inherently you would think that the obesity or health of the mother would have a higher impact on earlier deaths, rather than later deaths. And the causes of death seem to suggest that it's not due to an inherent health problem in the baby.

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    providing different "information."

    According to the World Bank the US rates of neonatal mortality (4/1000) are 1.5x - 4x higher than basically any other "first world" country.

    eg, Japan Finland Iceland (1/1000), UK Ireland Australia Austria Belgium Czech Republic France Norway Portugal Germany (2/1000) Canada Poland Switzerland Spain (3/1000), etc.

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    your question got me digging further (none / 0) (#123)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 01:00:12 PM EST
    seems like it could account for some, but not most of the difference:

    "Our data support that the association between maternal BMI and mortality risk is most evident in the neonatal period,9 10 but we also found that the risk of postneonatal mortality was doubled among women with obesity grade 2 and 3 (BMI ≥35.0)."

    Although the US doesn't have increased mortality in the neonatal period which is the period most impacted by obesity.

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    good point about sources (none / 0) (#126)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 01:22:20 PM EST
    the study itself says something different than the article:

    "Previous comparisons of neonatal and
    postneonatal mortality in aggregate data (such as Kleinman and Kiely 1990) are
    difficult to interpret given the differential reporting concern: specifically, in an unrestricted
    sample the United States has much higher neonatal mortality than any of
    the European comparisons we analyze (WHO 2006), whereas our comparably-reported
    sample suggests that differences in reporting could be driving nearly all of
    that pattern.
    In our comparably-reported sample, the US neonatal mortality disadvantage is
    quantitatively small and appears to be fully explained by differences in birth weight.
    In contrast, the United States has a substantial disadvantage relative to all comparison
    countries during the postneonatal period even in our comparably-reported
    sample and even conditional on circumstances at birth."

    So it's not that neonatal mortality isn't higher, it's just relatively not as high and explainable.

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    programs discussed sound like they could be very helpful.

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    fwiw (none / 0) (#128)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 02:09:53 PM EST
    "Every additional month of paid maternity leave is associated with a 13 percent reduction in infant mortality rates in low-income countries and the developing world, a recent study suggests.

    That translates into eight infant deaths averted for every 1,000 births.

    Earlier studies have linked paid time off after birth with lower infant mortality rates in affluent nations, but the current study offers the first look at how paid leave may influence survival for babies in less wealthy countries, researchers report in the journal PLoS Medicine."

    Link

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    That could help. Also, (none / 0) (#129)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 02:40:09 PM EST
    according to this article, better sleep safety would be the biggest reduction in US postnatal mortality.

    SIDS still remains the leading cause of death for babies between 1 month and 1 year old in the United States. [...]

    For now, the CDC registry for Sudden Unexpected Infant Death in the United States has reinforced the importance of existing guidelines for sleep safety. In 2011, a pediatrician at the Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., told NPR that, despite intense fear of SIDS among parents, it had been years since they'd seen a "true SIDs case," in the District; all the babies who had died suddenly and unexpectedly in recent years had been in unsafe sleeping environments. In other words, their deaths could have been prevented.

    "Our key takeaway in general is risk reduction," Brown says. "Making sure babies are always in a safe sleep environment, on a safe surface, on their back."

    If our postnatal mortality is really that much worse than comparable first world countries, and SIDS is the major factor in US postnatal mortality, and US SIDS is mostly due to lack of sleep safety, shouldn't we just adopt whatever sleep practices they use in other first world countries? Are we really doing something that different than they are?

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    sorry (none / 0) (#130)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 02:41:08 PM EST
    anecdotally (none / 0) (#132)
    by CST on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 03:07:20 PM EST
    I can say that an exhausted mother will often fall asleep with a baby in a manner that is not as safe as is recommended.

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    Ya I hear you. fwiw, from experience, (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 03:14:04 PM EST
    there is no such thing as a non-exhausted mother at that stage! :-) Dads too.

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    Funny post at C&L (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 04:43:32 PM EST
    On Obama trolling the religious right with his appointments to the "Faith Based Whatever" that Dubya created to cozy up to what Rove called "the Crazies"


    Naseem Kourosh is the Human Rights Officer at the U.S. Bahá'í Office of Public Affairs, a position she has held since 2011. In this position, Ms. Kourosh defends the rights of persecuted Bahá'í communities, works to advance international religious freedom, and engages with colleagues and partners in discourse and advocacy around human rights issues. Before joining the U.S. Bahá'í Office of Public Affairs, she practiced commercial litigation at law firms in New York City, clerked at the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey, and worked with several human rights organizations. Ms. Kourosh received a B.A. from the University of Texas at Austin and a J.D. from the New York University School of Law.

    Manjit Singh is the President of Agilious, a software technology consulting firm he founded in 2013. He is also co-founder and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund, a national Sikh American media, policy, and education organization. He served as a member of the Board of Directors of the Guru Gobind Singh Foundation and also as a Member-at-Large on the Board of the Interfaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington. Mr. Singh received an M.S. from the State University of New York at Albany and a Bachelor of Engineering from the University of Bombay, India.

    Barbara Satin is the Assistant Faith Work Director for the National LGBTQ Task Force. She is an active member of the United Church of Christ and served on the denomination's Executive Council as its first openly transgender member. Ms. Satin recently worked on the development of Spirit on Lake, a LGBTQ senior housing project in Minneapolis. She served on the Board of Directors for OutFront Minnesota from 2001 to 2008 and has served as Chair of GLBT Generations since 1999. She has also served on the Board of Directors of PFund Foundation, a regional LGBTQ community foundation advancing social justice in Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin, since 2013.



    This is so great (none / 0) (#137)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 07:27:59 PM EST
    I wanted to post it in all the threads. James Corden is hosting the Tonys on Sunday and did a Broadway Carpool Karaoke with a few Broadway stars and show tunes. Best thing I have seen for a long time. The finale is wonderful -some songs give me chills even performed in a car.

    Americans finale tonight (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 09:04:44 PM EST
    right?

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    Yeah...but for some reason my TiVo (none / 0) (#140)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 09:38:12 PM EST
    recorded an infomercial for the first 20 minutes! Lucky I caught it in time to tune in live even if now I have to watch with ads. WIll have to catch the first 20 min on a rebroadcast.

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    Oh man, A+ use of a Leonard Cohen song (none / 0) (#141)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 09:56:47 PM EST
    Hmmm...gonna need some help (none / 0) (#142)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 10:44:06 PM EST
    after people have watched

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    Kind of a low key finale (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 08, 2016 at 11:45:40 PM EST
    Loved the Cohen song tho.

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    I had to check again to see if it was really the (none / 0) (#144)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 06:13:21 AM EST
    finale. Watching it again helped. The thing that was confusing me was the segment in Russia. I had missed a key couple of lines of the translation and did not know who that young man was. That's what I get for having to go outside for a minute and stop my dog from barking!

    So, did William spill all the beans or not? Stan didn't give anything away.

    Went out with a bit of a whimper, but Interesting things set up for next year. I will at least like it that Keri Russell will have had her baby and can get out from behind groceries, laundry, and dry cleaning.

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    just started Hemlock Grove (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 10, 2016 at 06:03:32 PM EST
    I like it.  so far.  

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    Hey SUO... (none / 0) (#145)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 07:39:19 AM EST
    any fish out that way?  Is your knee healed?  we're having a late and not so good tarpon season.  I've only been out a few times guiding people who can't cast flys.  Granted is is difficult to make fish eat chicken feathers.  I hooked one up the other day to show the guy how it works.  Got a few jumps before pulling the hooks.  People always want pictures of them with their tarpon, but I refuse to pull them out of the water since it stresses their organs.  I tell them to jump in the water, if it's not too deep, and stand with their fish and fly rod.  It's a much more dramatic type of photo.  They"re usually reluctant to do it until I show them a photo of that event already cued up on my iPhone.  I love my iPhone with it's tide charts, and my hand held GPS for secretly stored waypoints.  Electronic fishing.

    Hey fishcamp, knee is healed. (none / 0) (#151)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 01:16:20 PM EST
    At least, as much is its going to heal. Still tweeky sometimes, but I'm back to running again.

    Took my son and some of his buddies out to the kelp in Malibu on kayaks last weekend, and they caught a mess of fish.

    Tagged my first tarpon about a month ago. The Mrs SUO and I went to St Maarten and I found big fish under the boats in every marina. Super spooky but super fun.

    Had to try to stronghand them in, as there were anchor lines, pilings, etc., everywhere. Bent a bunch of 2/0 hooks out and broke my 50# leader a few times too.

    Did get a couple pics with tarpon in hand, but, as you do, I kept them in the water. They are vulnerable, despite their Jurassic appearance, and honestly it was too much of a pita to try to lift those big tanks out of the water.

    I have a fishfinder with gps on my kayak now. As the water warms hopefully the yellowtail will start showing up and I need to be able to find the highspots.

    Tagged a bunch of trout up near Mammoth a while ago, need to get back up there.

    As good as the fishing is out here, you are in mecca.

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    Nice fishing kayaks (none / 0) (#156)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 06:13:25 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/jozxqrh

    I've been looking into fishing kayaks,
    For saltwater bays

    Presently don't have enough time to justify buying on,

    Maybe in a couple of years

    Nantucket Sleigh Rides

    (30lb striped bass and a kayak)

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    Even though (none / 0) (#159)
    by Nemi on Sat Jun 11, 2016 at 07:13:19 AM EST
    I don't know you and oftentimes have no idea what you're all talking about either I never the less love reading the fish(ing)-related conversations you guys are having here. I'm on a learning curve, which is never a bad thing ...

    ... and a bit envious of your lifestyles to be quite honest. :)

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    EBT problems reported (none / 0) (#146)
    by ragebot on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 09:52:46 AM EST
    No first hand knowledge on my part but this report (unsure of how reliable the source is) claims the EBT cards have not been updated this month and they are showing zero dollars available.

    Also a suggestion that there is some kinda MSM coverup about the problem.

    Anyone using an EBT card or know someone that is who can add input.

    Not a very effective cover up (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    Google

    Problems with ebt cards

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    Saw my Doc today (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 11:36:15 AM EST
    Sort or a routine follow up to my yearly wellness thing.  But I had recently been talking to a nurse friend about stopping PPIs.  He said he had also recently done the same and had a type of screening procedure I should mention to my doctor.  So today I asked him (he is a GI guy who did my colonoscopy) about getting an esophagogastroduodenoscopy.  When he stopped laughing he agreed it would not be a bad idea.   As, it turns out, it is not for most people of a certain age.    

    Mentioning it because I had never heard of it.   It's more or less a colonoscopy from the other end without the terrible prep.

    Good advice Howdy. (none / 0) (#154)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 02:58:10 PM EST
    I've had three of those myself, due to possible Barrett's disease.  I've had major GERDS for more than ten years, so I'm trying to avoid Barrett's since cancer usually follows.  The esophagus has no lining to protect it, so when the symptoms appear it's important to avoid all the good and fun items on the list of what's bad for you.  Almost weekly another bad symptom is revealed from continual usage of ppi's. The latest are dementia with people over 75 years of age, atrial fibrillation, and now artery damage.  None of these horrors have been proven, but the studies indicate there is a risk.

    My pharmacist recommended trying  20 and 40 mg Pepsid AC. My doctor said they will not work in advanced cases.  He also said they are the same as Tagament.  Coffee and alcohol will be difficult to avoid.  In fact what's the sense if I cut them in half?  One coffee in the morning isn't going to work and neither is one vodka at 5:00 pm.   ppi's do work for acid reflux, and my doctor said taking them is better than risking the possibility of Barrett's disease.  Once again the torture never stops.

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    I was told by my pharmacist (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 at 03:11:21 PM EST
    To avoid Tagament because it has problems with drug interactions.  I was doing the same as you, Pepcid.   Sometimes chewable mints.

    My Dr said his opinion was I was better off with Prylosec.  I pressed him.  And he stuck to it and gave me reasons the others aren't great either.  He said the symptoms it suppresses, it has always worked very very well for me, are more dangerous than the medication.  In his opinion.  The thing is, I trust my Doctor.  He is a very smart very young guy who is not just a GP but he is as I mentioned a gastroenterologist.  And has a very good reputation for it.   People come to him from miles around to see him.  And even other states.  And also happens to be my friend.  He lives just down the street from me and was one of the first friends I made here.  Weirdly I still have to drive 20 miles to his office.

    So I think I a going back to PPIs with the exams to make sure nothing weird is happening.

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    Muhammad Ali and the Hypocrites (none / 0) (#157)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jun 10, 2016 at 12:47:44 PM EST
    that Pretend They Respected His Political Views

    At a critical point in his career Ali utilized his celebrity as the world's greatest boxer to politically express his opposition to the racist and imperialist war the United States waged on Vietnam. He at one time said, "I Ain't Got No Quarrel With The Vietcong...No Vietcong Ever Called Me Ni,,er." He also said, "Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs?"

    A couple of days ago NPR's "The World" played part of David Susskind's interview from the day.  Ugly stuff.

    Here's the transcript.

    "I can't believe (none / 0) (#160)
    by Nemi on Sat Jun 11, 2016 at 07:31:51 AM EST
    I saw the whole thing" -- but yesterday I actually followed the whole three hours of the Muhammad Ali Memorial. I never really knew much about him and only ment to just take a peek but got drawn in. Listening to all those people of varying age, colour, religion, who had known him, give tribute, it was like witnessing a long slow marathon of love, and joy, and humour. It was so uplifting.

    He must have truly been an extraordinary human being.

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    No One (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 07:06:15 AM EST
    Great episode but I feel a bit cheated that we didn't get to see Arya peel badass Barbies face off.

    Also Penny Dreadful (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 08:20:02 AM EST
    With all the awful sh!t happening it's great to see Frankensteins creation, or at least one of them, finding some happiness.  I hope it sticks.

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    ha! I am fine without adding face peeling (none / 0) (#163)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 11:01:02 AM EST
    to all of the beheadings we did see.

    Loved finally getting the payoff from all of those 'blind fighting' scenes. I got chills when she lopped that candle in half. Did not need to see more! I'm glad a girl has a name again.

    I saw some of it a second time as I was getting the laundry folded and i was struck how much the actress Lady Crane looked like Kat Stark, and also her maternal care of Arya. Then the scenes of Arya running through town was  a lot like the scene of her running through Kings Landing in Season 1, remembering he 'dance master's lessons.  I wish the story telling had not been so choppy for her story int he last couple of seasons...but I understand it had to be with so many other stories.

    and Jaime/Brienne scenes are always great.

    All in all maybe my favorite ep this season. Poor Cersie - no trial by combat! I have to say I approve of that criminal justice reform.  

    Didn't watch PD yet...tonight!

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    Comeon (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 11:07:55 AM EST
    Trial by combat was awsum.  We should have it today.  

    I was sort of joking about the face peeling.  I agree cinematically it was very well done with the candel and the trail of blood.  She definitely has new skills the family can use.

    Next week is the "penultimate" season episode.  But I think the finale could be great too.  

    Watch PD.

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    Seemed like Jaqen was kind of proud of her (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 01:28:24 PM EST
    Maybe he was pleased with the result. I hope he has other staff however.

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    thsoe faces aren't going to hang themselves. (none / 0) (#166)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 01:28:52 PM EST
    Not to mention (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 04:11:44 PM EST
    Dusting them.  And all that sweeping.

    I think the Queen is behind the judicial reforms.  I assume she has some plan to rescue her brother.  Although afaik he had not mentioned trial by combat.   Interesting twist if so on the death by the younger brother If she gets death because of the Kings orders.

    Could Cersi and Jaime both exit this season?  Jaime's little speech about killing every Tyrell seemed a bit like an exit speech to me for some reason.

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    Yeah, the intrique their in King's Landing (none / 0) (#170)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 14, 2016 at 11:27:07 AM EST
    is fascinating as ever. I have no idea who is playing who anymore. I take that back - pretty sure Marjaery is in charge.

    According to the prophesy Cersei's son is supposed to die before she does, right?  And maybe Jaime goes with him? I hate to think of that, but all of Jaime's speeches this year have kind of pointed that way. He is being set up as a tragic figure. My bet would be that Tommen and Jaime don't make it out of this season.

    Poor Misande, joke tellig is not her forte. Tyrion is starving for good conversation, good thing Khaleesi is back. She might not feel like indulging in witty repartee however.

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    Also (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 04:13:44 PM EST
    Why did Drogo fly away instead of burning every ship in the harbor.  Or maybe they already did that.

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    OH oh (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 13, 2016 at 05:11:56 PM EST
    And how much did you love "wine and jokes time" with Tyrion Greyworm and the handmaiden (forget her name)

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