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Bernie: What Took You So Long?

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 09:30:39 AM EST
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The Washington Post lists four reasons Bernie Sanders waited so long to endorse Hillary.

I don't know how others feel, but for me, his refusal to endorse Hillary and get out of the race when she became the presumptive nominee will always leave me with a negative feeling about him.

I think he let his ego get the best of him and he wanted to secure his seat in the front row of history. In other words, it was all about Bernie.

As we get closer to November, I hope he becomes more of a footnote than a lead player.

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    ego always plays a role (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by pitachips on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:01:18 AM EST
    But if he is able to pull Hillary towards his views on issues important to him and his supporters, then whether vanity also played a role is immaterial. No one wakes up thinking they should be President without having a healthy ego.

    Yes, ego plays a role (none / 0) (#92)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 02:18:26 PM EST
    Although he may have been waiting for the Comey primary.

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    No doubt done people were (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    They'll need to get used to disappointment.

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    Well, hey there, stranger! (5.00 / 5) (#100)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 01:09:06 PM EST
    Hope you'll stick around.

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    My lib friends are so happy he (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:20:36 AM EST
    got the platform he wanted. Guess I will have to keep congratulating them on their great victory until Nov, then let the realization sink in on its own.  But it is hard to act like a) the platform drives anything  and b) Dems never cared about climate change until Bernie brought it to their attention.

    Maybe not climate change... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:46:46 AM EST
    but I don't think we'd have that tuition free public university for those under 125k in there without the old man and his supporters miracle run that came up short.  Or the $15 min wage.  

    True that a platform is not law and can be abandoned or compromised away at any time...as we know all to well.  But it keeps the conversation moving...that's something.

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    Wait a minute....are you telling me (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:23:47 AM EST
    it is not free tuition for everyone? He already compromised that away?

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    If Bernie won the primary... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:44:24 AM EST
    free for all would be in the platform.  Alas, he lost.

    Point taken it's just a platform...but if it is meaningless why did it take a contentious primary and negotiations to get this good stuff in there?  Why piss us off for no reason if it is meaningless?  Put a chicken in every pot in the platform too...and free weed!

    The platform is kinda like a to-do list.  If they don't accomplish enough of the to-do list it is on us to find somebodies who can and elect them to the presidency and congress.

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    How can you say meaningless (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:46:39 AM EST
    when the GOP was discussing Oreos in their platform meetings.

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    And pararie chickens (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:47:54 AM EST


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    And apparently have decided (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:54:01 AM EST
    That Obamacare and Internet p0rn are equal threats to public health.

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    Ruffian implied meaningless... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:03:58 PM EST
    (correct me if I'm wrong pal!)...if you're trying to convince me of same CG you're doing a good job.

    1,2,3 what are we fighting for?  Don't ask me I don't give a damn...

    Speaking of internet pron...how is that free and public universities and health care are not?  Reminds me of Cleveland's ban on water pistols outside the RNC but not real pistols.  

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    Ah...see below...we will see how menaingless it (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:54:05 PM EST
    turns out to be for the Dems running this cycle.
    Always possible I am too cynical!

    Internet pron is free? Aren't there ads or something? Do these people do this out just for love?

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    I don't know, to give people something to do (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:51:43 PM EST
    besides bash Hillary daily?

    It could be useful for congresspeople to run on - that will be the test. If they run on, or run away, from the platform.


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    Can you tell me one thing that was in (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:21:56 AM EST
    the 2012 platform?  I sure can't.

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    Charlie Black on platforms (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:46:21 AM EST
    Black, who managed the convention platform three times for incumbent Republican presidents, said he expects that activists will push to pass a very conservative platform that will include some things Trump supports and others he doesn't. Black said the billionaire can try to get a few items he cares about included or removed, and that ultimately it won't really affect his campaign after the convention. "You let the activists go wild because that's where they get to go wild, you talk them out of anything that's really bad, and then you pass the platform and you go run for president and don't pay any attention to it,'' he said.



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    Good for you: (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 06:54:36 AM EST
    "[But I don't think we'd have...."][Emphasis added.]

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    The thing (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:21:28 AM EST
    is he really hurt himself more than anybody by waiting. It seriously doesn't seem to have made any difference with the majority of voters.

    While (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:24:23 PM EST
    I still hold a grudge about his negativity during the campaign I am starting to think the last month was a kabuki dance. Having the final(and most contentious) piece of the puzzle falling into place one week before the still fractured GOP meets seems extremely well timed. Political gold if you ask me.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:33:00 PM EST
    It is quite a stark contrast to the stories everywhere about the Dump Trump and Never Trump movements.  Who just seem to be gaining steam every day.

    Today Donald made a typically ham handed play for Sanders supporters on Twitter and got killed

    And there was something decidedly stagey about it.  Like what, what?

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    I am (none / 0) (#50)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:55:11 PM EST
    not sure if you can say the dump trump movement is gaining steam. From my perspective there has been a bit of ebb and flow to it over the last few weeks. It does seem that the tide is rising again, but that could just be media noise. In their dirty little  ratings grabbing hearts, the networks want a trainwreck, but any drama is good.

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    It seems to me it's gaining (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:06:57 PM EST
    But I admit I search for evidence of that.  I was just watching a conversation on All Due Respect with a leader and a seemingly neutral reporter following it.

    What the reporter said is we will know a lot more starting Thursday when the rules committee starts meeting but says both sides are saying they expect victory and seemed to think fireworks were almost a given.

    For one thing, polls.  They are awful for Trump and seem to be getting worse every day.  The other day we had the 25 point gender gap.  The highest ever recorded.  Since there has been stories about the Hispanic vote being 10-15 points lower than Romneys.  On this same show today they did a segment on college educated whites.  A group they said republicans have been winning for decades and Trump is losing by double digits.

    It's gonna be great tv.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:11:23 PM EST
    There are stories around today that people are calling on Kasich to step to the front and offer himself as an alternative.  Which us one big missing piece.  He is not supposed to speak at or even attend the convention but he is conveniently the governor of the state it's being held in.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:29:35 PM EST
    it's all pitiful cries of desperation from the never-trump deadenders, much like the Bernie hoping for an indictment or Romney's supporters unskewing the polls. Wishful thinking has always had powerful presence in politics.

     

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    The truth is (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:41:27 PM EST
    Even with the horrible fallout from dumping Donald I think Kasich would be a more formidable candidate.    Maybe by a lot.

    So, I hope you are right.   But did you read the POLITICO link about republican convention dread?

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    IIRC (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:55:48 PM EST
    Kasich said he was going to the convention though I don't think he's speaking. He kind of has to go because it's in his state.

    Would Kasich take a suicide mission like that? I don't know but I tend to agree with Joe that some Republicans are just throwing his name around trying to get someone other than Trump. The one who would be willing to step up is Cruz but his polling is probably as bad if not worse than Trump's.

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    If you have been following this (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:13:03 PM EST
    I have, you know that a good part of it is Cruz supporters.  But, and I heard this repeated this afternoon, they are ready to accept someone other than Cruz.

    Here's why I think this can't be discounted.  The actual republican establishment is, if not behind it, entirely open to it.  It's not as if we have a bunch of wild eyed outsiders storming the castle.  What we have is a bunch of professional republicans and castle residents DEFENDING the castle.  Take moment and consider how many big name republicans who have publcally said they will have nothing to do with a Trump candidacy.  And how many big republican doners would be totally with this.  We are talking big names and big money that could be pulling the strings behind the scenes here.  I have read that they are trying to keep it rather stealthy.   That the biggest part of the organizing has been behind the scenes and in smoke filled rooms.  
    Is this wishful thinking?  It could be, sure,
    But here's a fact.  Donald is destroying the Republican Party as it has existed for pretty much the life of everyone reading this.  A party that has housed vast wealth and power and has gotten what it wanted in every election in my lifetime.  Is it also possible there could be an effort to regain controll before it crashes over the cliff and burns?  I think there is.

    One thing.  The person this afternoon said by their whip count they were about 25 votes short in these rules Committes from getting what they want.

    And that is a public count.

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    Rachel (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:18:56 PM EST
    Is doing a rundown of the abysmal polling stuff that I was talking about up thread.  

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    Paul Ryan (none / 0) (#58)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:42:52 PM EST
    on CNN town hall, the GOP will follow the will of the voters, seemed all in for Trump, zero waffling. Said a coup would tear the party apart.

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    It's not up (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:48:06 PM EST
    To Paul Ryan.  It's up to the Rules Committee.  

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    Oh, I don't (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 09:18:46 PM EST
    doubt they would or could attempt it. My question is who wants to be the candidate? I mean who in their right mind would want to step up to that suicide mission. Romney?

    Maybe the same people who want to get rid of Trump think that the party is already destroyed and ripping the party apart by putting up another candidate not chosen by the voters can't be any worse than Trump.

    Heck Trump might even want them to do it. He could walk away with 50 million dollars and laugh all the way to the bank.

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    Cruz would definitely do it (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 09:39:37 PM EST
    And based on the disasterous polling he might well do better than Donald.

    I think Kasich would too.  

    Would I bet this will happen successfully, no I would not.

    But I would not bet against it either.

    Would I bet it is attempted.  Yeah.   I think I would.

    Like I said, Thursday thru Saturday.  That's when we will know.  If the Rules Committee votes to allow a conscience clause the media will lose its mind.


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    Cruz (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:11:08 PM EST
    of course would take it. He's on a mission from God or so he believes. Kasich does not sound like he would take it because he is hoping to run again for something, senate Prez or whatever. You've got to admit that this would be the end of the career of anybody who became the GOP nominee under those kind of circumstances.

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    Actually I don't have to admit that (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 08:33:06 AM EST
    Trying to save the party from Trump and losing the general might be seen as a noble act.

    I see no reason it would necessarily be the end of anything.  

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    I just (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 08:52:39 AM EST
    see it ruining the career of anybody who took it because they will forever be tagged with the label "the candidate no primary voters wanted".

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    Noooo...I think they would get the tag of the one (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:20:30 AM EST
    the reasonably sane primary voters wanted. Both Cruz and Kasich got enough primary votes to be seen as a reasonable alternative, in a universe where the GOP had decided to disregard the results of the primaries.

    I doubt the GOP will go that way though. If they could they would ff to December and get on with blocking everything Hillary tries to do.

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    But omg (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:33:33 AM EST
    How much fun would it be if they did?

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    Tons! (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:53:49 AM EST
    God may love me enough to give new Newt on the ticket, but not enough to make a big fight at the convention.

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    I hope God gives you all the things you want (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 12:41:45 PM EST
    Ruff, but please NO Newt on the ticket.

    My brother whom I love dearly, is a Republican. After some bitter fights about Dubya when he was running for re-election, we stopped discussing politics altogether. Four years ago, my then 10 year old niece asked me whom I was supporting and then proceeded to tell me that my brother had voted for Newt in the primaries. I screeched out a "WHAT!!!" She was obviously startled by my reaction and said, "Aunt V, is that wrong?". I saw my brother glaring at me and managed to mumble something about everyone having a right to vote for whomever they wanted to.

    Two weeks ago, while on vacation together, she (now 14 years old) asked me the same question and I jokingly said, "I can't wait to vote for Donald Trump." to test her reaction. I got a very serious, "Really?" in reply. I told her I was kidding and that I was a Hillary supporter. She said, "Oh, Thank God!"
    She then told me that when she asked my brother the same question, he said something to the effect of always voting Republican. And, she told him that it was time to try something different! LOL!!

    I may not have been able to change my brother's mind but based on how much he loves and adores his daughters, I have faith that they will be able to do so.
    Since, he has already voted for Newt once, I really don't want to tempt him into doing so again by putting Newt on the ticket.

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    Ha! I'm not sure I really want it either (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 02:41:29 PM EST
    In any case, rest assured my preferences seem to have no impact on the outcome of world events!

    I'm glad you were a good influence on your niece! I think mine are doing ok too despite their parents!

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    I'm told (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 11:09:25 AM EST
    Gods love is boundless.  We will see.

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    Jeff Sessions (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 11:12:08 AM EST
    Is on his way to Indianapolis to have a meeting with Trump.

    VP?

    Trump did say there were two candidates nobody knew about....

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    He was the first (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 11:13:07 AM EST
    Endorser

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    Sessions (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 11:44:06 AM EST
    is probably consulting on the pick I would imagine.

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    he "hurt" himself (none / 0) (#19)
    by pitachips on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:01:07 PM EST
    Only with people who didn't really like him to begin with. It's obvious he didn't have a lot of fans in DC, the Senate or within the greater Democratic establishment. As far as TL, even if he cured cancer tomorrow there would be people complaining that he should've provided the cure last week :-)

     

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    You don't (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17:36 PM EST
    think the jokes about him acting like a toddler hurt Bernie?

    The reason he didn't have a lot of fans in DC is due to his own behavior while in the senate and the house. People found him impossible to work with. He has been in Washington for over a quarter of a century and never seemed to develop any relationships with anyone.

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    DC doesn't have a lot of fans.. (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 02:39:51 PM EST
    amongst our 300 million+ citizens, especially Congress.  Maybe it's not Bernie with the behavioral problem???  Someone with principles is gonna have problems in an unprincipled workplace environment...that's obvious.

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    Dr Jill (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:06:47 PM EST
    Is NOT happy.

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    oh, lord (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:31:18 PM EST
    she had a literal meltdown today.

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    When, on when, (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 09:35:42 AM EST
    will the sane citizens of the USA realize the stakes of this election?   We, in my opinion, are at a point, not totally unlike the situation in Europe in the early thirties.  If Trump is not enough, they need only look to those who are his followers and those who will wind up in a Trump Administration.  These are not their grandfather's Republicans, as bad as they were.

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    Speaking of which.. (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 09:59:10 AM EST
    just this past Sunday at the Public Market, a Jewish friend of mine had a heated exchange with a wild-swinging Trump supporter who said, among other things, that "Hitler was right"..

    Maybe a JLM group should form and start making their presence known at Trump engagements before Trump's people start handing out dog whistles with swastikas on them..

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    Silly (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:39:01 AM EST
    It's physically impossible for Trump to dog whistle Jew hamate to the vast gaggle of white supremacists he panders to because he has a Jewish son in law.

    It was just a freakin star.  And a pile of money.


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    Pffft (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:42:04 AM EST
    Since spell correct changed hate to "hamate" I figured it must be a word.

    It is!  I just discussed Jewish wrist bones.

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    Well (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:26:46 PM EST
    if you equate gadfly with principles but you're kind of making a good point why Bernie shouldn't be in a leadership position because sometimes your principles are going to collide with what is good for the country. I mean Ted Cruz's principles demanded that the country be put into default but hey, he held onto those "principles" did not he?

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    if at the end of his career (none / 0) (#28)
    by pitachips on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 02:29:47 PM EST
    All he can point to is having shifted the debate in the 2016 election just a bit leftward, then I consider that to be a successful political career.

    At the end of the day, the policy positions he proposed (single payer for instance) were never going to win him popularity contests. He stuck to his guns and it looks like the country is moving closer to his position then the other way around. Who cares about cultivating relationships and getting along in the Senate if the end result are policies that perpetuate what many people believe to be fundamental problems in this country?

    Its the whole transactional vs transformational politics debate. I don't think either side is necessarily wrong.  

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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:29:12 PM EST
    the cultivating relationships is a problem if you're the president. It's not really a problem if you're the senator from Vermont. But his lack of establishing relationships with other people in congress is also why he accomplished almost nothing in his 25 years.

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    nothing? (none / 0) (#94)
    by pitachips on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 03:05:31 PM EST
    He's pushed the next President of the US on a multitude of issues.

    Do you really think that Hillary would have said the following if Sanders didn't run?  

    "We're going to say no to a tax on working families and no to bad trade deals and unfair trade practices including the Trans-Pacific Partnership," she said to a raucous crowd, which included many Sanders supporters."

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    And she pushed him left (5.00 / 4) (#96)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 04:14:16 PM EST
    On things like guns.

    Hopefully, he'll remember that as he returns to the Senate.

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    And she still is to the left of Sanders (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 15, 2016 at 02:22:02 PM EST
    on reproductive rights and related issues.

    Fortunately for us, where he is on these issues doesn't matter now.  (If he ever did.)

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    In reality, as opposed to the white (none / 0) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 15, 2016 at 04:34:35 PM EST
    middle class Ms Nagazine fantasy, how much further to the Left on reproductive rights is the utterly selfless, non-egoistic Hillary?

    I bet Bernie never publicly ostracized any already-hurting, impoverished mothers by calling them "dead beats".

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    Well (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 03:32:11 PM EST
    I was talking about the time that he spent in the house and senate not the primary. However if that makes you happy then I'm truly glad.

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    The silver lining (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:36:45 AM EST
    in Senator Sander's delay is the continuous roll-out of endorsements; his being close to the Republican Convention.  As with Senator Warren's endorsement coming at the end of the primaries, it had a greater impact than if she had done so at the primary's beginning.

     And, Senator Warren's endorsement did the heavy lifting in securing most of Sander's supporters.  Senator Sanders himself can do the remainder.  And, too, Sanders gets to say he won in the philosophy department, and Mrs. Clinton gets to say that she is responsive to an array of voters' thinking.  

    Bernie who? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by smott on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:08:43 AM EST
    Sorry, eff him.
    I liked him to begin with, glad he would put leftward pressure on Clinton (and Obama, see the latest Obama remarks on single payer).
    But sadly, I believe it all came down to his ego.
    The last few months have been a silly exercise in narcissism.

    He lost me long ago. He can't go away fast enough.

    A bit harsh, no? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:20:45 AM EST
    The virtues far outweigh any perceived sins imo.  

    To anyone whom issues matter more than personalities and horse races and parties anyway.  

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    On the contrary (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by smott on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 01:49:38 PM EST
    It was Sanders who put his own personality above issues.

    Indeed his narcissism was given more weight than the issues of the day. As pretty much everything he has said and done the last couple of months would demonstrate.

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    Given more weight by who? (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:48:05 PM EST
    besides a few anonymous internet psychoanalysts, who from the very beginning have never been anything but apalled and outraged that anyone would presume to compete against Hillary and publicly critique her track record and policy positions.

    If you don't mind, I'll old out for an unbiased opinion from a qualified professional whose feelings are a little less raw.

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    Now that Sen. Sanders has (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 07:01:09 AM EST
    endorsed Secretary Clinton, will you follow his lead?

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    I don't (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 07:05:10 AM EST
    think Jondee was the one who never said he would vote for Hillary. I think that was Kdog.

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    I didn't catagorize. Just curious. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 07:06:32 AM EST


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    Okay (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 07:09:17 AM EST


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    I don't know.. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 08:07:24 AM EST
    Maybe we're setting our sights too low.

    After reading this blog for a few months, I'm beginning to think humanity would be better served if we devoted all our energies to petitioning the Vatican to have Hillary declared a Saint.

    Seriously, to paraphrase the Dude, I may make a stop at a polling station in November if I'm in the neighborhood and I need to use the john..

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:13:14 AM EST
    if you're reading that into what we've been saying you are sorely mistaken. However we do quite like how she slices and dices the GOP but I don't think that meets the qualifications for sainthood. Anyway, she's not the one that went to the Vatican...

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    Oh please, you'd have to be living in a (5.00 / 4) (#90)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 12:50:14 PM EST
    bubble or another planet if you can't see that if there are supporters out there who believe that their candidate deserves Sainthood, it is the ones in the Bernie not Hillary camp.

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    As one Bernie fan valled him (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 07:06:33 PM EST
    when the bird landed on the poduium: "Bernie is our Jewish Saint Francis of Assisi"

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    Now we know! (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:02:00 AM EST


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    Hey.. (none / 0) (#78)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 10:33:31 AM EST
    I was going for ambiguity.

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    Endorsements have no effect... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 09:31:40 AM EST
    on my voting decision...I don't care if it's Bernie or the ghost of Jerry Garcia.  

    Speaking to my Bernin' nephew last night about this, he's really pissed at the old man.  I'm more understanding, if in disagreement with the old man.

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    Gotta say (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:43:55 PM EST
    After watching this and reading the coverage I'm feelin the Bern.  It was unconditional.  It was full throated.  It was an endorsement.  I expect him to be valuable in the campaign.  

    I admit, as some Clinton people have off the record, I'm surprised.  I did not expect quite the all in show we got.

    Maybe they do have Jane in a basement someplace.  Just kidding.

    This is good news.  Good for Bernie.  This is a very good thing.

    Samantha Bee on Twitter (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:31:23 PM EST
    Bernie's endorsement of Hillary was like his campaign; it meandered a bit and went on way too long. #BernieSanders


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    Agreed (none / 0) (#44)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:54:01 PM EST


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    Somebody (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 06:10:12 PM EST
    made the comment that it sounded a lot like what Hillary said in 2008.

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    I agree, Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Towanda on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 12:38:43 PM EST
    and his ego must have overcome his concerns about the federal budget, as his refusal to concede has cost we-the-people, the taxpayers, more than a million dollars for his Secret Service entourage since the last primary alone -- and more than two million dollars since the NY primary, when his ego must have messed with his ability to do basic math.

    Worse has been reading concerns about how he so stretched the Secret Service staffing, across three presumptive nominees instead of the usual two at the end of the primaries, in these crucial weeks of the agency's security planning for the conventions.  Finally conceding only days away from the first convention, and expected disruption, is too late to compensate for the lack of sufficient staff for all of the planning meetings and more.  

    And the attempt to fix this with federal funding to further militarize the Cleveland police force is not a solution but may cause more problems, according to acquaintances there.

    Thanks, Bernie! (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 05:37:21 PM EST
    After putting Cornel West on the Democratic platform committee,  Prof. West has now turned around and endorsed Jill Stein.

    Not presumptive until last week (1.00 / 1) (#101)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 03:57:32 PM EST
    She was NOT the presumptive nominee until the day the FBI chose not to indict her.  Bear in mind that national polls currently show a majority believing that she should have been indicted.

    Thus (none / 0) (#102)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 04:39:48 PM EST
    proven that the big lie works. Virtually every  credible legal thinker right, left and center dismissed an indictment as an extreme long shot from day one.  After months of ridiculous drum beating from Trump and the Republicans the rubes have been convinced. Now that the almost inevitable has happened, the right wing crazies decide they know more about the facts and law than career prosecutors and legal scholars.

     

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    Meh (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 04:42:07 PM EST
    A majority of people believe in angels

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    You can watch it here (none / 0) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 09:58:36 AM EST
    The undercard is speaking now. Not sure when Sanders and Clinton are speaking

    Also on C-SPAN (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:13:46 AM EST


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    They are both coming on stage now (none / 0) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:21:55 AM EST
    to the sounds of Springsteen

    Maybe he thought he'd be the better potus? (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:49:25 AM EST


    Kudos to Bernie Sanders (none / 0) (#21)
    by Nemi on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:04:48 PM EST
    Finally ... and what a relief.

    I actually found his endorsement very dignified, not least thinking of how hard it must have been for him and how many people he surely knows he will not only disappoint but also anger with this.

    Also I was moved to see how genuinely happy he looked, when Hillary Clinton praised his wife. So there's that ... too. :)

    I heard an interview with Paul Begala (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 12:58:30 PM EST
    yesterday (yeah, I know) -  he was talking about Hillary and one of her favorite quotes from Lincoln to the effect of ;I defeat my enemy by making him my friend.'

    Hillary will be playing with the Sanders grandchildren by his time tomorrow.

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    Or releasing Jane (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:36:16 PM EST
    Unharmed

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    Was Jane on stage? (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 06:58:03 AM EST


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    No, but (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Nemi on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 11:39:05 AM EST
    following Bernie Sanders's happy gaze, she -- and his son, whom Hillary Clinton also mentioned having just met -- were in the front row. And whatever snide comments can and probably will be made of it, I actually think this is quite sweet.

    And speaking of grandchildren, is the youngest Ms. Clinton adorable or what. :)

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    Gotta give Sanders credit (none / 0) (#27)
    by smott on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 02:25:48 PM EST
    He totally has his true believers....hilarious stuff.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/752894378494918657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    H.A. Goodman (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 03:12:11 PM EST
    Is going to need intensive therapy and rest after today.

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    At first (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by smott on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 03:59:54 PM EST
    I had a hard time believing he was a real person.

    I'm still not sure he isn't just doing like some crazy trolling sort of parody.

    The fact he has a gig at Salon is just mind boggling.

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    Not (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:26:01 PM EST
    hard to find

    My favorite meme is that the Clintons have threatened his family.

    I just hope it was Jane the threatened

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    In truth (none / 0) (#34)
    by smott on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:30:57 PM EST
    Idiots like this guy are why we have no faith in our media anymore. It's really more than a shame, it goes to why we're really breaking down as a community.


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    Prediction (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:41:59 PM EST
    This time next year Jane will be doing speaking gigs for 50K+.

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    But probably not at Goldman Sachs (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:06:50 PM EST


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    I have an acquaitance (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 04:29:49 PM EST
    who sounds much like H.A. Goodman, but differs in that he has lapses of sanity. I was very interested, perhaps as a bellwether of Bernie Bros, in how he would respond. He will not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, but for the Supreme Court appointments,  there are enough checks and balances, and he has much invested in Sanders so he will follow him in his endorsement.  Good for him; I like beer with my pretzels so I will have a cold one in celebration.

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    Today (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 13, 2016 at 01:03:48 PM EST
    H.A. has a column out about how, since Bernie has dropped out, he has made Jill Stein the most powerful woman in America.

    Lord.

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    His nicname (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 05:02:02 PM EST
    all over the internet is HaHa Goodman. He's been making up stories for so long I have to wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore.

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    Bernie's great impact on Hillary: (none / 0) (#98)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 11:01:10 AM EST
    Feel the Bern.

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