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El Chapo has not escaped from prison in Mexico. The Government posted a photo of him in jail to refute a rumor on Twitter that spread quickly.

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    Florence Foster Jenkins (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 07:00:28 PM EST
    I never heard of Florence until I ran across this trailer for the upcoming Meryl movie.  It looks great and I'm sure I will love it on cable.  

    But it made me curious so I WIKIed

    Florence Foster Jenkins (July 19, 1868 - November 26, 1944) was an American socialite and amateur operatic soprano who was known and ridiculed for her lack of rhythm, pitch, and tone, her aberrant pronunciation, and her generally poor singing ability

    Which as all internet adventures do, ended on YouTube.

    Oh. My. God.

    The first offering is the laughing song from Die Fledermaus

    it's actually totally worth the commercial you have to sit thru

    The second is with apologies to Motzart

    and is made way better by funny cat reaction pictures

    As is always the case on YouTube there are more selections to the right.  Learn how good bad can be.

    No (none / 0) (#14)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:21:15 PM EST
    It was not worth the commercial.

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    I find this quite ironic (none / 0) (#32)
    by ExPatObserver on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:45:47 AM EST
    in light of my (extremely low) opinion of Streep.
    Perhaps this will be the defining performance of her career.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:54:56 AM EST
    I couldn't disagree more.  I think this will be an enjoyable footnote to what IMO is perhaps the greatest careers in the history of film.

    If I had to pick (HAD to) I would say Ironweed might be the best performance.  It's haunting and will stick with you.

    Some others, in no particular order, The Deer Hunter,  The French Lieutenants Woman, Sophie's Choice, Death Becomes Her, Adaptation, Doubt.  I could go on.

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    you have the orthodox view, (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ExPatObserver on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:32:10 AM EST
    whereas my tastes are eclectic.
    I'll give you this one, but not District 9---no way!:)

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    Ha (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:48:43 AM EST
    Been accused of being pretty eclectic myself.   She has made some less than good movies.  For sure.  I've heard her talk about that and she admits it.  She works.  She says.  A lot.  Sometimes things come together sometimes they don't.  

    As long as we are burning bandwidth on movies

    CRIMSON PEAK

    I forgot about this one.  I was meaning to see it in the theater.  Written and directed by Guillermo Del Toro.  Who I love.  It's that rare thing these days, an R rated effects/horror movie.  It has some genuinely creepy moments.  Excellent effects.  But the best thing about it is how it seems a homage to the genre.  You will see, if you are a horror fan, echoes of the great Hammer films with the beautiful sets and costumes.  Many echoes of Del Toros other best work, Pans Labyrinth, The Devils Backbone.  There is a scene of a creepy lady stepping out of a bathtub that will definitely make you remember the old lady in the Shinings room 237.  And on and on.

    It's running on cable now.  MAX I think.  Very very good.   Very beautiful.  Pretty creepy.

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    Are you watching Dark Matter and/or (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ExPatObserver on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:50:27 AM EST
    Killjoys? Season 2 started, and I'm definitely enjoying both shows.

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    Just watched it, loved it (none / 0) (#139)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 12:31:05 AM EST
    Great cast too. Top shelf

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    I'll throw in another one that gets overlooked (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:47:22 PM EST
    'One True Thing'. Thought she was so great in that, just playing a more or less average mom. It was at a time in her career when the beef against her was that she relied on gimmicks and accents. No indeed.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:56:48 AM EST
    Angles in America.  Definitely.  Several roles including unrecognizably as an accident Rabbi.

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    Cause it's Sunday (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:15:34 AM EST
    Meryl (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by robert72 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:37:02 PM EST
    is one of the few actors and actresses who can actually become someone else - different posture, walk, and body movements, different voice and accent, different facial movements. A few like Meryl you would hardly recognize in their different roles because they become a different person. The rabbi above is an example. I can only think of one actor who does this - I am sure there are more.

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    Total fanboy (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:10:35 PM EST
    I admit it.  It's what you said but it's also the range.  She can sink and dissappear in to characters but she, as ruffian said, does the straight stuff better than anybody.   And she's really funny.  One of my favorites is Death Becomes Her.  It hilarious and she steals every scene.  She Devil with Roseann Barr is also very funny.  
    I mentioned Ironweed. Not very well known.   It's not only my favorite Meryl movie it's one of my favorite movies ever.  She and Jack Nicholson playing homeless people during the depression.  Hector Babenco is a quirky film maker everything he does is worth the time.  Kiss of the Spider Woman, At Play in the Fields of the Lord.  But this is IMO his best.  I was going to link to the trailer but it sucks.  Instead watch this.  It's amazing.    What happens in her head then back to the real world.  So good.

    LINK

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    "I'm sorry that you're psychotic (none / 0) (#111)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:08:25 PM EST
    But just make an effort."

    I've been watching it again. Even better than I remembered.

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    We were at the fountain (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:12:46 PM EST
    In Central, remember?

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    Yes- I was so happy to see it! (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:23:29 PM EST
    You were right (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:13:55 PM EST
    The Night Of is excellent

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    YES! I am really looking forward to the rest (none / 0) (#157)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:34:09 AM EST
    of the story.  I made a mistake though, perusing IMDB to look up the actors.  Spoiler alert!

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    My father loved Ironweed (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:14:15 PM EST
    Book and film

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    Did you catch the poster n the Mozart video (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:59:47 PM EST
    Murder on the High C's. Ha.

    Those are amazing. Looking forward to the flick.

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    RIP, Sydney H. Schanberg (1934-2016). (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 02:55:50 AM EST
    The legendary former foreign correspondent for the New York Times, whose dogged and personally risky reporting on Cambodia's plight under the Khmer Rouge in the mid-1970s would win him a Pulitzer Prize and later become the basis for Roland Joffé's Academy Award-winning epic "The Killing Fields" (1984), died today at age 82 after suffering a heart attack earlier in the week.

    His was an extraordinary story (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:21:56 PM EST
    but we are surrounded by people living unordinary lives.  Turn off your televisions, folks.

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    Nakia Jones (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by smott on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:19:53 AM EST
    You go , Officer.

    That's powerful (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:39:56 AM EST
    I hope (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:02:09 AM EST
    Zorba stops by sometime before the end of the summer and tells us all about her garden and what she has been canning and putting up.

    Yes, and share (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:04:44 AM EST
    with us her many good comments.

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    Policing is a profession, (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:19:22 PM EST
    and as such, police officers should be credentialed.  The idea of local recruitment and local police academies perpetuate particular policing cultures. Past experiences, such as military service should be insufficient.

     The present system should give way to:
    (1) Standardized educational requirements, such as a two-year (four semester, l l/2 calendar year curriculum in law enforcement. Admission requirements would include 60 semester hours of pre-law enforcement courses in collegiate level basic subjects including sociology, psychology and other general education.  The curriculum would need to be accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency.
    (2) The curriculum would need to include a policing  practicum at any cooperating law enforcement agency.
    (3) Successful passing of a national licensure examination along with locality-specific law and other requirements.
    (4) Eligibility for hiring at a particular locality would include documentation of these requirements, psychological testing, and specific in-service training.
    (5) Disciplinary action, where indicated, would include license suspension or revocation, as well as any employer sanctions.
    (6) Law enforcement officers salaries should be increased by at least by one-half of current salaries, and taxpayers need to be prepared to fund the policing requirements.

    I have what I think is an encouraging story (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:30:33 PM EST
    At least I thought it was.

    I have mentioned the LEOs in my family.  They are all local.  Small town, county.  I mentioned that one of them is a genuine psychopath.  That one had his heart set on becoming a State Trooper.  He failed the test.  He got another and failed that one. You are not supposed to get another but politics is what it is and this was when we had a democratic governor and this persons grandfather, my brotherinlaw, is a former elected democrat and for years has been active in state and local politics.  He used his connections to get him a second shot and when he failed that he called the governor.  No, really, he called the governor got him on the phone and yelled at him.  I was there.   I was pretty awed.  I knew he had connections but, anyway.

    When he got off the phone he told me this person had failed the psyche test.  As in not even close failed.

    I did not say this to him at the time but my first thought was, thank god.   Ever since I have seen State Police in a very different light as local police.  I suspect this is common.

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    In my area (none / 0) (#72)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:07:06 PM EST
    Due to the high pay for LEO's, 30k or more generally take the tests. However recently, requirements have been lowered, and the tests prepared for high schoolers.
    The desired goal was to be able to recruit candidates matching the communities.

    You are correct in higher standards should be met for LEO's, but in some regions, the reverse is happening.

    And some cities, notably Baltimore have seen steep reductions in staff.

    Reuters) -

    Already beset by a public outcry over the high-profile death of a black man in police custody and a rising murder rate, Baltimore's police department is facing another headache: it's shrinking fast.

    The number of uniformed officers in the mid-Atlantic city fell 6.1 percent last year and has shrunk by even more in the first half of this year, according to police data seen by Reuters and not previously reported.

    The fall in 2015 was the biggest decline in police numbers among nine comparably-sized U.S. cities reviewed by Reuters. The police force in Detroit and El Paso shrank by 4.9 percent and 4.3 percent, respectively, while Denver and Las Vegas saw increases of over 5 percent.



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    Excellent post (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:51:52 PM EST
    I thought you had past mil background. I must assume after reading this you were then assimilated into law enforcement.

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    Deal? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:19:11 PM EST
    Deal.   The Captain pledged to report on Halperin and Heilmann so that the rest of did not have to.  In turn, I agreed to read and report on Maureen Dowd.  It is difficult to know who got the worst deal--having to view the unwatchables or read the insufferable.

     Maureen Dowd reliably expected to offer, her denunciation of Mrs. Clinton, does not disappoint. In fact, she easily surpasses the Republican's repeal of Obamacare in attacks.

    However, trying to understand her rant of today's column took an out-of-body experience.  I chose to stay in-body, so I am falling down on my job. But, suffice it to say, fairness was no where in sight, just vitriol and falsehoods. The only one who gets a Dowd nod is Joe Biden, to whom, apparently, she is beholden to for getting the exclusive on Biden's son's death wish for his father.

    You both deserve medals (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:38:14 PM EST
    Been following the Dowd thing on Twitter- no way am I going to read her column (a longstanding rule). Glad she is finally getting some public shaming.

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    The Radditz interview with Flynn (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:57:03 PM EST
    (I consider the morning shows part of the deal and I still get the better deal)

    Was interesting.  He is clearly running for VP.   he wants it.   When asked it was "oh my I'm just so flattered to be asked. A kid from a small blah blah blah"

    He definitely wants it.

    As far as the abortion question his answer was interesting.   He said (paraphrase) these things, abortion and gay marriage, they are not the most important things.  We have bigger fish to fry, etc etc.

    I think is the position of a growing segment of the Republican Party.   If not Trump would not be the nominee.   It's not that they don't care as much as they know they have lost.  Move on.

    It's worth watching.  Maybe more so that the one upthread.

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    It will (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:16:25 PM EST
    be interesting to see how those statements are reacted to by the Schafly's and the Dobsons. I do not think those statements will make much of a difference with the Trump voters as they are apparently as sick of social conservatism as the rest of the country is but those who think abortion is the worse thing ever are going to have to twist themselves into pretzels to justify that kind of stuff.

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    That's (none / 0) (#81)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:48:08 PM EST
    the problem, there is no bigger fish to fry for that segment of the base, and they never, ever will be quiet.

    It's painfully obvious that Republicans are struggling mightily with party unity. I'm pretty sure a Flynn pick will be seen as a slap in the face for a smallish but powerful segment of the base.

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    Well a former (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:10:59 PM EST
    Republican friend of mine just says the party is fracturing. So in a lot of ways it is not going to matter who Trump picks since there's some group that is going to be mad. If Trump is worried about losing southern states Newt is his best pick for that. I'm not sure exactly who Flynn would add as far as voters go.

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    I (none / 0) (#85)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:22:40 PM EST
    think Sessions would be his best bet for shoring up his southern flank. Solid conservative credentials and governmental resume.

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    Flynn has a book coming out (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:43:50 PM EST
    Co written with Michael Ledeen.  Know who that is?

    Ledeen was a board member of the "Coalition for Democracy in Iran" (CDI), founded by Morris Amitay, a former Executive Director of American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Ledeen had also been part of the board of the U.S. Committee for a Free Lebanon. According to the Washington Post, quoted by Asia Times, he was the only full-time international affairs analyst regularly consulted by Karl Rove, George W. Bush's closest advisor[21]

    In a 2003 column entitled "A Theory," Ledeen outlined a possibility that France and Germany, both NATO allies of the United States, "struck a deal with radical Islam and with radical Arabs" to use "extremism and terrorism as the weapon of choice" to weaken the United States. He stated, "It sounds fanciful, to be sure," but that, "If this is correct, we will have to pursue the war against terror far beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, into the heart of Western Europe. And there, as in the Middle East, our greatest weapons are political: the demonstrated desire for freedom of the peoples of the countries that oppose us."[22] See also: Eurabia

    Jonah Goldberg, Ledeen's colleague at National Review, coined the term "Ledeen Doctrine" in a 2002 column. This tongue-in-cheek "doctrine" is usually summarized as "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business," which Goldberg remembered Ledeen saying in an early 1990s speech.[23]

    This guy is the wet dream of the modern Republican Party.  
    The book is called puzzlingly The Field of Fight

    ??

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    Michael Ledeen (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:56:25 PM EST
    was involved, apparently, in the forged Italian "yellow cake" documents which served as the basis for President George W. Bush's lie in his 2003 State of the Union address---follow the yellow cake road from Niger to Saddam.  And, presto, the Iraq war.

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    Yes he was (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:58:40 PM EST
    His wiki is very interesting

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    And as far as (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:55:52 PM EST
    "Who he might bring to the ticket"

    That would be the neocons.  Who are not flocking to Trump currently.

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    Well (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:57:32 PM EST
    there goes the Bernie or Bust movement down the drain if Flynn is the VP.

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    What do you mean? (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:58:57 PM EST
    Because (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:04:44 PM EST
    that guy is the kind of guy that would scare the bejesus out of them.

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    But he's a pro choice (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:07:28 PM EST
    Ok with gay rights registered democrat.  Yellow cake?  Wassat?  A recipe?

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:19:19 PM EST
    but honestly they seem more concerned with the war stuff than gay rights or anything else. Remember they think abortion, gay rights etc are a "distraction" from income inequality and issues of war.

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    IMO (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:23:25 PM EST
    They cared about those things, transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs and the Iraq war vote, because Hillary.

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    The Schaflys (none / 0) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:45:32 PM EST
    and Dobsons would suck it up.  Trump has already unmasked them, revealing  that most of the Evangelicals are more political-based than faith-based. Dobson has a friend of a friend who says Trump is twice born and is a "baby Christian."  And, they are, of course, ready to accept a Henry VIII ticket--Trump and Gingrich.  The Dobsons and Schaflys would just pray for them and Trump will continue to prey on them. A marriage made in purgatory.

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    I completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:51:13 PM EST
    Trump has the nomination.  He will pick whoever the hell he thinks will help him win.  He could pick Al Gore and the Schaflys and Dobsons would vote for him because he is running against Hillary Clinton

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    Of course (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:54:16 PM EST
    they will but will their followers finally get it's a con and how will they explain it without them figuring it out. Trump gave them deniability. This guy not so much.

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    You think they will vote for Hillary? (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:57:33 PM EST
    You think they will stay home and allow Hillary to appoint 3-4 SC justices?

    I don't.

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    No (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:03:04 PM EST
    they are not going to vote for Hillary however admitting the war that they have been fighting for over three decades has been lost certainly is going to take some off around the margins or looking at these voters and saying hey, we really didn't mean all that stuff we said about abortion being the worst thing that ever happened to America. Think Bob Dole 1996.

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    Ezra Klein: (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Nemi on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 07:35:23 AM EST
    This is not a profile of Hillary Clinton. It is not a review of her career or an assessment of her campaign. You won't find any shocking revelations on her emails, on Benghazi, on Whitewater, or even on her health care plan.

    This is an effort to answer a question I've been struggling with since at least 2008: Why is the Hillary Clinton described to me by her staff, her colleagues, and even her foes so different from the one I see on the campaign trail?



    That is really (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 08:28:36 AM EST
    a fair article especially coming from Ezra of all people.

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    Maybe a pro choicey VP? (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 09:48:22 AM EST
    USA TODAY

    As the Democratic National Convention prepares to make history by nominating a woman for president, women in national polls are giving Clinton the highest level of female support of any candidate in more than four decades and the widest gender gap ever recorded. Clinton's lead of a yawning 24 percentage points in the latest Pew Research Center Poll -- not only among Democratic partisans but also from women who typically vote Republican -- is an electoral challenge for the GOP that imperils Trump's ability to win the White House.

    I think Donald can add.   You can't win with a 24 point advantage with women.

    I'm not (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:08:41 AM EST
    sure a pro choice VP would help him much.


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    Texas Governor Abbott severely burned (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 11:48:06 AM EST
    Will miss convention

    I  probably disagree with him on every political issue, but I admired how he handled the aftermath of the Dallas shootings. Really seemed like one of the sane ones. Sorry he is going through this and wish him a speedy recovery.

    Six more women have come forth ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 07:06:11 PM EST
    ... from the shadows to support former Fox News host Gretchen Carlson's now very public contention that The Boss is a lech. And for his part The Boss, sensing impending disaster if this thing spins out of control, argues that Carlson is in breach of her Fox News contract which expired on June 23, and seeks through a motion in federal court to have her lawsuit against him decided in strictest confidence by binding arbitration.

    Fortunately, those of us in the court of public opinion are under no such legal restraints. So, coming soon to a low-budget dinner theater near you, it's "Roger Ailes: The Musical." (Warning: Not for the easily offended or professionally outraged.)

    Have a great weekend, everybody.

    What's really (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 07:12:36 PM EST
    surprising to me is that it took this long for this whole thing to come out.

    Are they going to finally cut Ailes lose I wonder or hold on and go down the tubes with him.

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    I saw that Gretchen Carlson's contract (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:34:42 PM EST
    ended on June 23. wonder if that had something to do with the timing.Maybe not wanting to bring it forward when she was on the payroll.

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    ... just Roger Ailes. For his part, Ailes has responded in his federal court motion that since her allegations have everything to do with the workplace, then Carlson is in breach of the confidentiality clause in her just-expired contract, and must further submit to arbitration per another provision in that contract.

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    Al Jazeera interview with Michael Flynn (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 08:24:01 PM EST
    The scary part of this (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 08:40:36 PM EST
    Is how articulate this guy is.

    I would pretty much bet we are listening here to Trumps VP.

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    What does he propose for dealing (none / 0) (#9)
    by ExPatObserver on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:01:21 PM EST
    with ISIL?

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    Does he want cooperation with Putin? (none / 0) (#10)
    by ExPatObserver on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:05:28 PM EST
    That would fit Trump's (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:14:02 PM EST
    authoritarian bent.

    Gingrich would get too much attention, and Gingrich's knowledge would show up Trump.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#23)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:21:51 AM EST
    Has stated that Gingrich will have a position in his government

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    transcript of the long interview with Al J (none / 0) (#16)
    by ExPatObserver on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:50:53 PM EST
    Flynn interview

    I'll finish it later, but I don't find Flynn persuasive. He is trying to blame Obama, but he doesn't have a concrete basis.
    It is interesting that interviewer and interviewee agree about the "Harvard" of terrorism in Iraq---to be precise, the US prisons in Iraq.


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    Is there a reason (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:51:27 AM EST
    You would rather read that watch.   I would agree most of what he said was baloney most if what I thought was interesting about that was how articulate and telegenic he was.

    A lot of what he said is quite different from what he has said since and lately.  And as the interviewer pointed out several times is different from what he had said before then.

    I thought quite a lot of what he said there sounded something approaching reasonable.  The interviewer, who I thought was very good-much better in general that a typical American tv interviewer asking him was he is so awsum of what kind of tree he would like to be, commented again and again hiw reasonable he sounded .  And hiw he was surprised by that.

    I wonder if this part if a "rehabilitation tour".  It was soon after his "retirement".  The details of which were not discussed.

    I would suggest watching it if you can.

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    You're behind (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:18:19 PM EST
    Now on Twitter, speculation about Gen. Stanley McChrystal as VP.

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    Well (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:20:02 PM EST
    I'm guessing the neocons would be fine with him too, probably more happen with him.

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    This is not new (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:27:45 PM EST
    National review may

    Retired generals Stanley McChrystal and James Mattis have both been discussed in these terms. But there's a problem with both of them. We know that they're fine commanders and leaders of men, but we don't actually know where they stand on any issues outside the war on terror. (At least, I don't.) And we don't know how they'd handle a campaign. In the past, each has gotten in trouble for indecorous off-the-cuff remarks -- in fact, McChrystal was fired by President Obama for calling Vice President Biden Vice President Bite Me. Neither seems willing to suffer fools, which would make sucking up to the press difficult. And, to boot, McChrystal voted for Obama in '08.



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    Just read a heasline (none / 0) (#109)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:56:54 PM EST
    Pence will step down before Friday to run as Trump's VP (he can't run for both gov and VP).

    Not verified. But another Twitter headline put Pence choice at 95%.

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    Is Pence (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:32:15 PM EST
    the guy that screwed the pooch with that gay bashing legislation?

    The jokes will start though. Feed the birds for a Trumpence.

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:37:04 PM EST
    I looked him up. Trump would probably being doing the GOP a favor by taking him out of the IN Gov's office.

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    Not effing possible IMO (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:03:44 PM EST
    Maybe if McChrystal has fallen down and cracked his nugget....otherwise this is just BS.

    David Petraeus and Stan McChrystal are both Conservatives who admittedly voted Obama (over McCain......HELLO!). And Stan McChrystal worked so closely with Clinton she called him Stan.

    Outside of Stan McChrystal now being a meth addict, I have to say bull$h*t to whoever is trying to shop this around.

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    It's entirely possible (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:30:50 PM EST
    Even likely it could be someone that has never been discussed.  That would be like Trump.

    But of the ones discussed I like Flynns chances.  Pence would be safe and predictable.    Hey, It could happen.

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    My spouse served almost directly under (none / 0) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:21:16 PM EST
    McChrystal in Afghanistan. McChrystal could not tolerate the insanity of the McCain/Palin ticket. Why do you think he would be Trump's VP? Impossible

    I don't think McChrystal has anything to do with this vetting. I think the Trump campaign alone released they were vetting him without even asking if he was interested.

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    I didn't say I thought he did (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:26:07 PM EST
    That was jb.

    I was just pointing out its not news.   Been chatter for a while.   From what I know I would say it's very unlikely.

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    I think if McChrystal said yes (none / 0) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:40:31 PM EST
    It would be a done deal. But McChrystal isn't going to say yes to Donald Trump ever. He is a very disciplined person. Even if Trump were to promise McChrystal he would quit if he won and make his VP President, I think that whole notion would nauseate Stan McChrystal.

    Crazy narcissistic Generals who Trump should phone up would be Tommy Franks or Dick Cody.

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    Whoa (none / 0) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 09:01:12 PM EST
    discussing secret programs, with a foreigner no less, extremely careless with classified info if you ask me. I think he should release all of his emails immediately, no telling what else he has compromised.

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    The last question he asks (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 09:23:26 PM EST
    Is about running for office.  His answer is interesting.

    IMO this would be a choice that might effect Hillarys choice.  For several reasons.   One being this guy would be no lightweight in a debate.

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    Who could counter this guy? (none / 0) (#12)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:14:43 PM EST
    Warren?

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    Good question (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:52:02 AM EST
    Warren would be good.

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    Mark Clark (none / 0) (#78)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:22:18 PM EST
    Both have the classic, respectable look, etc.  Recall, tho, that "the look" only takes one so far.

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    My feeling is that (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:12:16 AM EST
    Trump's running mate will take on greater importance than is customary assigned to a running mate.  Reluctant Republicans will overlook their Trump horror and rationalize away with, what they come up with, as a good choice--as if the vice president trumps Trump.

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:23:48 AM EST
    Which makes me wonder how much choices like Pence would bring.  Newt would bring bombast and celebrity but he already has perhaps to much of that.

    This general tho.  He might be seen as a serious choice.  Most would agree, even if we might not, he has the experience and background to be commander in chief.  I can see him helping to tamp down any convention revolt.

    I hope I'm wrong.  I hope everyone else, at least in media, is right and he picks Newt.  IMO that would be a much less worrisome republican ticket.

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    Deal breaker? (none / 0) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM EST
    Possible Trump VP Pick Says `Women Have To Be Able To Choose'
    Anti-abortion groups are not pleased. Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said in a statement that Flynn has "disqualified himself" from the vice presidency.

    So much for heading off a convention revolt. I don't know what the number break down is between the "serious" and the forced birthers in this crowd, but there is little doubt which side is most virulent.

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    I saw that (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:54:05 AM EST
    Otoh it could help Donald close the chasm of female support and it could be made clear that is his personal view and he will not be shaping policy.

    Maybe no ne will mention the possibility of a 50 50 in the senate.

    That was a joke.  I'm labeling them now.

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    I have (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 08:54:57 PM EST
    to laugh at the Republicans here who talk about 1968. Well, it might happen this year but if it does it's going to be the Republican side. GOP braces for chaotic convention

    The party of all guns all the time (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:35:28 AM EST
    Is now too afraid to go to their own tense convention. Isn't this how Karma supposedly works?

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    Saw reports today that (none / 0) (#79)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:25:42 PM EST
    a known white supremacist organization/citizens' group will be gathering with surrogates for Trump outside the convention hall in Cleveland.  (Yep, that would be component associated with increasing tension.)

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    I'm trying to have empathy (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:47:22 PM EST
    It's not easy

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    True that. (none / 0) (#138)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:18:29 PM EST
    The "hands up don't shoot" lie (none / 0) (#13)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:18:25 PM EST
    claims five more lives. The politicians that spread that lie should be ashamed.

    Apparently unwilling to acknowledge the shooter's own words Obama says we may never know his motivation. Willful blindness on display.

    Please (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:20:24 AM EST
    How does a gesture of surrender ("hands up don't shoot") kill police?

    The police in Dallas deserve the same amount of attention and sympathy as Congress and the nation gave a bunch of kids in Newtown, 59 revelers in Orlando or nine elderly churchgoers in Charleston.  No more, no less.  It's the price of living in a heavily armed society and encouraging the carrying of weapons that are devastating because they are designed for battle against a robust defense, but are used on the defenseless.

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    The "hands up don't shoot" lie (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:17 PM EST

    Was that Mike Brown had his hands up saying don't shoot when the white police officer shot and killed him.  It was IMO a racist lie meant to enflame black resentment and/or hatred.  

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    If not, then you can't possibly know that for a fact, surely not to the point that you can contradict eyewitnesses who said otherwise. And BLM has no reason to use "a racist lie meant to enflame black resentment and/or hatred," when your fellow white wingbats do such a great job of that themselves.

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    The problem was many people believed it did happen (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by McBain on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:48:29 PM EST
    and weren't interested in any evidence or opinions to the contrary.  The BLM crowd isn't a detail oriented group who does much fact checking or waits for the real story to emerge. They believe what they want to believe.

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    The reason people "believe" (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 03:54:07 AM EST
    ...this is because if it WEREN'T true, it would still be like stuff that happens every day in that part of the world.  If it didn't happen there, it has happened on YouTube a whole bunch of times.

    I have Black friends who live where the law is enforced by white police.  I don't know how to emphasize this properly, but.

    You. Do. Not. Have. A. Clue. about what it is like to be Black, where the police are white.  Where my friends live, deputy service in that sector is Siberia, the worst assignment the Sheriff's Department has to offer.  They hate being there and they hate the people.  They do not mix and they are not your friend.

    My Black friend got shot, caught driving on a suspended license.  Deputy unloaded a clip into the car, my friend, and buildings immediately adjacent.  My photo of the damage shows that all the hits on the car came from a right angle to it, so the deputy was not in front of the car where he might fear for his life.  They knew who was driving, could have gone to his house and arrested him later if they needed to.

    The is took place in a residential neighborhood.  The deputy missed the car with a few of his shots.  Nobody else complained about being hit, so no harm, no foul.

    County paid my friend huge for his trouble of stopping a bullet, he bought a house but he would still prefer not to have been shot.

    Five miles from where my friend got shot over a traffic citation, a drunk, rich, white kid drove down a street in a trendy suburb, firing a pistol out the window of his car.  Arrested at home later without incident.

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    As if the law enforcement pr (none / 0) (#188)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:57:53 PM EST
    apparatus has never been known to attempt to tailor a "real story" satisfactory to it's beliefs and those of other interested parties..

    The spin machine is going full bore as we speak.

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    The MN Gov and Obama (none / 0) (#15)
    by NycNate on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:26:47 PM EST
    Should be ashamed. The guy in MN was not shot due to his race. He was a potential robbery suspect. Nor was the guy in LA. Obama has said the motive of the Dallas shooter is unclear. Yet, the Dallas shooter explicitly said he hated whites.

    This unwillingness to be honest is killing America.

    Ah (3.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:21:28 AM EST
        The guy in MN was not shot due to his race. He was a potential robbery suspect.

    Well then, no harm, no foul.  He should just get on about his business, because in fact the dude was not breaking any damn laws.

    "Resembles a robbery suspect" is the second oldest trick in the book ("Hey, you shoe's untied.")  It is the universal bust for any time you need to hassle a Black man.  It obviously worked on you as a kind of universal Get Out of Jail Free card.

    Before I will accept that rationale, I want to hear the exact description of the "robbery suspect" the officer was looking for, when and where the robbery occurred, who had described the suspect, and when and by what means that information was relayed to the officer.

    Does that seem reasonable to you?

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    Sounds reasonable to me (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by NycNate on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:38:55 PM EST
    I saw the surveillance video of the suspected armed robbery.  They have similar appearances. Not to mention, the location of the stop was in close proximity to the robbery.

    I'm not saying the officer is innocent. Or guilty. I do not think the stop was based on race though. Innocent mistakes happen. This might have been one of them.

    Somewhat off topic. I do think that blacks are negatively impacted by the disproportionate crimes of others. Imagine if the surveillance had shown a white man committing the robbery.  This guy would likely be alive today.

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    He reportedly said (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:26:06 AM EST
    It was because he had a "broad nose"

    Seriously.  That's what he said.

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    The MN cops are screwed (none / 0) (#52)
    by smott on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:51:00 AM EST
    If he was in fact a BOLO as a robbery suspect, then the cops' procedure for Felony Stop was incompetent in the extreme. I'm not a LEO but know a few and you would NEVER approach alone like that. Call back up, wait at a safe distance til it arrives, designate a Comm or Contact officer to talk to the suspects and order them out of the car and on the ground for ID and pat-down. These stooges walked right up, forgot what they asked him to do, I.e. get out his ID, then blew him up when he moved.

    If he was indeed a simple broken tail light, which now seems the excuse the officer gave him, then they have to explain why they went to deadly force when he reached for ID as they requested.

    This is going to the Grand Jury.


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    I think the issue (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:56:53 AM EST
    Is quickly becoming NOT that all cops are bad but that the system is rigged to protect them bad or not.

    And the tendency of the profession to close ranks regardless of the circumstances.

    I think we could see cracks on that blue wall with these cases.

    That vid you linked.

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    I think training is also a huge issue (4.33 / 3) (#59)
    by smott on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:43:44 PM EST
    That guy used extremely poor procedure, and worse, panicked doing so. The video from the girlfriend was astonishing. He was hysterical and she sounded like she was reading the evening news.
    The guy was pissing himself. Terrible excuse for a LEO who is sworn to protect the public.

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    Interestng, not surprising (none / 0) (#60)
    by smott on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:48:24 PM EST
    Guess who gets arrested?

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    The BOLA (none / 0) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:47:23 PM EST
    was out and the broken tail light was a reason to stop.

    Should the cop have waited for back up? Makes sense to me but neither of us know what their procedures were.


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    ... that was apparently picked up by scanners. A recording was aired last night on local station KARE-TV. The officer who's speaking specifically tells dispatch:

    "I have reason to pull it over. The two occupants just look like people who were involved in our robbery. The driver loos like one of our suspects, just 'cause of the wide-set nose."

    So, it wasn't a broken tail light after all.

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    Both were in cars (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:13:37 PM EST
    How closely did get to see how "broad" Castile's nose was?

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    Listening would help you, NycNate (3.00 / 1) (#80)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:30:08 PM EST
    So many concerned citizens from all walks of life have emphasized listening to others, empathizing with each other, thinking about what it is like to walk in their shoes.  Are you listening or jumping to conclusions?

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    I just got home from a BLM march (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:58:32 PM EST
    in my little, 95% white suburban Philadelphia town. Over 250 neighbors turned out (about 85% white, I would guesstimate) on 24 hours' notice or less, to walk together about six blocks from one of our very nice parks to the other. (Best sign I saw, said "If I can't breathe, no one can breathe.") Originated and organized by an African American teenager who just graduated from our local high school. She broke down in tears looking out over the crowd when she stood up to speak. (She said she had been getting mostly hate mail and threats on her Facebook page since posting the invitation to rally and march.) Police on bicycles followed and accompanied the crowd, and I saw several of them applauding the speakers.

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    I stumbled on a gathering on my way to (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:17:48 PM EST
    a concert last night. Probably about 10 BLM members with signs talking to a few police officers on the corner outside the theater. I listened in a little for a few minutes- it was very friendly and good natured, they weren't talking about any issues or anything, just small talk at that time anyway. It was near where the memorials are for the Pulse victims. Just such a microcosm of the last month of horror. I don' think anyone wants to disturb the peace even with a raised voice anywhere near there right now. It would be more than anyone could take.

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    setting aside (none / 0) (#17)
    by The Addams Family on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:08:28 AM EST
    your other statements, for the moment, i will just call attention to the words "potential robbery suspect" in a context where many people who are not black erroneously perceive nonexistent physical resemblances between people who are black

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    The guy resembled (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by NycNate on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 12:38:39 AM EST
    a robbery suspect. There are pics that show a resemblance. The cop said as much over the radio.  The cop was Mexican. I doubt the cop had racist motives. The lady recording the video is likely more racist than anyone involved. She identified the man as Asian.

    There is a video of the lady filming and the deceased smoking weed in front of the 4 year child.  Vulgar music in the background. Yet, the deceased worked in a school around kids.  Lord help us.

    5 cops are dead. Cops nationwide are riding in pairs. All for a lie.

    I know you'd like to overlook the fact that Obama and the MN gov squarely placed this on race when there was no proof.

    I'm black. I'm sure there are some racist whites. I've lived 41 years without having an encounter with a single racist white. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe racism is a card that many blacks use as a weapon against whites.

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    Some racist whites??? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:20:31 AM EST
    What planet do you live on? Ever been to Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas. I am a former resident of Texas. Have friends and family in the other states I mentioned. There are racists among those people. Even more surround them. Hell, I live in PA now and I guarantee there more than "some" white people who racists here. I hear it everyday.

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    Alabama? (none / 0) (#75)
    by NycNate on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:44:15 PM EST
    I'm from Alabama. I used to work for the granddaughter of the white man that bombed a bus in Anniston, AL. She was one of the nicest and fairest people I have ever met.

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    "the cop was Mexican" (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:03:52 AM EST
    Did this all happen in Juarez?  

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    But since Philando Castie was absolutely and positively NOT the guy the police were actually looking for, that means he's innocent of that particular crime.

    But hey, no biggie, right? Because by virtue of your own twisted reasoning, this officer was further justified in shooting and killing Mr. Castile per the following basis:

    "There is a video of the lady filming and the deceased smoking weed in front of the 4 year child. Vulgar music in the background. Yet, the deceased worked in a school around kids. Lord help us."

    Well, at least you got the "Lord help us" part right, because without question, that has to be one of the most appallingly cold-blooded excuses for an officer-involved homicide that I've ever heard anyone offer, ex post facto or otherwise.

    Your cavalier contempt for the inherent value of another's life in this matter undercuts and kneecaps any claims to moral authority and superiority on your part, never mind your obvious affront to the concept of simple human decency.

    Further, Nate, given your documented history of race-baiting commentary here, I have a very hard time giving you any benefit of the doubt regarding your subsequent claims. So, perhaps you really ought to stop digging, before you become this thread's designated piñata.

    Aloha.

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    to be clear (none / 0) (#20)
    by The Addams Family on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 02:45:27 AM EST
    I know you'd like to overlook the fact that Obama and the MN gov squarely placed this on race when there was no proof.

    actually, i disapprove of the governor's premature remarks, & especially of the president's "popping off" yet again in the absence of known facts - Mr. Obama appears to have learned nothing, & with Philando Castile now dead, there's no question that a beer summit with Officer Jeronimo Yanez would be in very bad taste even if the shooting should turn out to be have been completely justifiable (as, for instance, the evidence compelled the president's own justice department to conclude in the case of Michael Brown's fatal encounter with Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, MO)

    i'm not calling anyone a racist - that would be a cheap shot, one i'm completely disgusted with as a go-to, all-purpose conversation stopper on the part of people who consider themselves to be liberals

    i'm noting that when it comes to black people, for reasons that may have nothing to do with personal racism, many people who are not black tend to see skin color before they register differences between facial features

    i'm also proposing that this tendency may have figured in the death of a "potential robbery suspect" (the italics point to the tenuous grounds on which Officer Yanez pulled Mr. Castile over)

    i'm not interested in passing judgment on Philando Castile's childcare skills, his recreational drug use, or his musical tastes

    i'm concerned with the rule of law, whereby someone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless & until found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his or her peers, & whereby only evidence relevant to the alleged crime can be presented to & considered by the jury

    in this case, of course, there were no charges, there will be no jury, & the facts are not all known

    that's why i can't join you in saying that 5 cops are dead & that cops are riding in pairs "all for a lie" - i don't know who, if anyone, is lying

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    The biggest factor (none / 0) (#24)
    by NycNate on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:42:10 AM EST
    In this guys death is that another black person resembling the deceased robbed a store and the officers noticed.

    This seems to be truly wrong place; wrong time. But Mr. Castillo did not help himself by carrying a gun on his lap and not following orders.  

    As I said, I am black. My fellow blacks fall back on racism to assuage their own faults.

    Even though the killer clearly stated why he did it, Obama is saying that his motives are unclear. There are black racists. Many blacks don't want to admit it.

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    "Not following orders"? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:07:12 AM EST
    WTF! How do you know that Philando Castile wasn't following orders? You just can't offer up declarative statements like that when there's no evidence to support it.

    And FYI, Castile had a legal permit to carry that firearm, and he further informed the officer that he was armed so as to avoid any problems -- not that it helped him since he was shot multiple times anyway.

    So much for that excuse. Got any more smoke to blow up our a$$es on behalf of the officer that killed him?

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    We will find out (none / 0) (#30)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:56:16 AM EST
    Castile had simply informed the officer that he was carrying a legal firearm and reached to provide his driver's license and registration as he had been asked, when the officer started shooting, utlimately firing four times. In that same video, a police officer is heard saying, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.
    "

    A lawyer for the Latino cop who killed a black motorist in Minnesota this week says the officer reacted to the man's gun, not his race, the Associated Press reports. The lawyer, Thomas Kelly, insists that St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez, who shot and killed school cafeteria worker Philando Castile during a routine traffic stop on Wednesday in the Minneapolis suburb of Falcon Heights, fired as a result of "the presence of that gun and the display of that gun" rather than any other factor.

    "[Officer Yanez] is deeply saddened for the family and loved ones of Philando Castile. Tragically, the use of force became necessary in reacting to the actions of Mr. Castile. This heartbreaking incident had nothing to do with race. It had to do with the presence of a gun," Kelly said in a statement, also indicating that the officer has had no disciplinary action taken against him over his career.

    http://tinyurl.com/hdwmehw

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    If a cop has to shoot everyone he sees with a gun (3.50 / 2) (#69)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 02:03:58 PM EST
    he should not be a cop. Or be doing these kind of traffic stops. Seems like his fear overruled his common sense. Did he really think Castile was going to shoot a police officer at that point? There has to be more evidence then just the presence of a weapon in proximity to the man's hand. It's just not right.

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    Trevor, what part of ... (1.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 02:31:03 PM EST
    ... "Castile had a legal permit to carry that firearm" do you not understand?

    If Officer Yanez shot and killed Castile because he overreacted to the sight of a gun which Castile had already informed him he had a permit to carry, having already been pulled over by Yanez on a flimsy pretext as it was, then the officer probably committed manslaughter at the very least.

    Even if we grant Officer Yanez the benefit of the doubt and accept that he is truly sorry and remorseful for what he did, he nevertheless failed at his job at a key moment, and his failure had fatal consequences for an innocent man. And for that, his continued employment in a law enforcement capacity should be terminated.

    Yet you and Nate are apparently obsessed with finding some rationale, no matter how far-fetched, for that officer's actions. You blame the victim for having a gun which he was otherwise permitted to carry under Minnesota state law. For his part, Nate has blamed him for resembling a robbery suspect, smoking pot and listening to rap music.

    What neither of you can apparently bring yourselves to do is to (a) acknowledge that the police don't have the right to freak out, shoot first and ask questions later during an otherwise routine traffic stop; and (b) admit that Philando Castile had likely done nothing to deserve his gruesome fate.

    And that's just sad.

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    I fully understand (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 02:59:16 PM EST
    But I do not know why you are asking me that?

    I posted Yanez's statement from his attorney, that is all. What you infer from me posting additional available statements from the officers attorney, I cannot help.

    But what don't you understand? Regardless of whether the firearm was licensed or not, Yanez thought he might be approaching armed robbers. Whether the firearm was legal or not, it appears, that Yanez or someone told him  

    In that same video, a police officer is heard saying, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.

    I gather that is what prompted this awful shooting.


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    And you believe the police without question. (3.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:24:03 PM EST
    Because officers never lie about such things, right? It never crossed your mind that perhaps Officer Yanez just realized what he did and is just trying to cover his a$$?

    Know this, Trevor -- police officers and sheriff's deputies lie all the time, particularly with regards to matters of excessive force. And we get rightfully upset because they're supposed to both know and be better than this.

    As much as you'd otherwise like it to be, the issue of police brutality and assault isn't about the suspects, people under suspicion as possible suspects, or criminals in policy custody. As Jeralyn and Peter -- two longtime defense counsels with many years of experience between them -- can probably tell you, defendants lie all the time for a variety of reasons, even to them. But guess what? Unlike LEOs, they haven't sworn an oath to uphold the law. Police brutality is about the cops' own behavior, and not that of their victims.

    That's what makes the incident in St. Anthony, MN so particularly egregious. Philando Castile did nothing to warrant what happened to him. Yet from the moment Officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser chose a "broken tail light" as their flimsy pretext to pull Castile over, their own conduct as law enforcement professionals went off the rails.

    We've since learned that Mr. Castile had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years, and court records show that he had been assessed nearly $6,600 in fines and fees for such minor offenses as speeding, no muffler on his vehicle, and driving without a seat belt.

    What's also important to know here is that well over half of those citations he had received during these stops had been subsequently dismissed by judges, including several where he had been cited for going as little as five miles over the speed limit.

    Sound familiar? It should, given that the U.S. Dept. of Justice recently singled out LEOs and the courts in the city of Ferguson, MO for deliberately targeting black motorists in their community.

    And further given the statistics I cited in another thread the other day, we know that white drivers are much less likely to be pulled over for the same offenses, while black drivers are pulled over for traffic stops at rates which are very much disproportionate to their actual numbers in the general population.

    In other words, cops are engaging in racial profiling, even in states like Minnesota where there are specific statutes on the books which expressly prohibit the practice.

    And that's the elephant in the room that you're refusing to acknowledge. This IS about race, Trevor. In fact it has EVERYTHING to do with race, because it serves to highlight the painfully obvious double standards by which we as white people tend to judge persons of color in this country, in rather sharp contrast to how we generally view our fellow European Americans.

    Aloha.

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    We don't know what happened before (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 08:23:48 PM EST
    the video.  We don't know if Yanez committed a crime or was justified in his shooting.  I'm not sure that it matters but I don't think we know if Castile had a permit or not.  Your link sites "a source" but doesn't elaborate.  It wouldn't surprise me it that turns out to be incorrect but even if he didn't, it doesn't let the officer off the hook if it was a bad shoot.

    I know it's hard for many to do, but we really need to wait for more info.  We shouldn't take Yanez's lawyer's word for much of anything.  Same with Castile's girlfriend.  She could be lying or mistaken about many things.  

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    He had a permit. (none / 0) (#148)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 08:17:08 AM EST
    As reported by Minneapolis Star Tribune, NY Daily News and Slate.

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    An authoritarian classic (4.00 / 4) (#76)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:48:02 PM EST
    Mr. Castillo did not help himself by carrying a gun on his lap and not following orders.

    Are these capital crimes?  Which orders didn't he follow?  The officer was not DEFENDING himself from anything.

    I have refused on a number of occasions to follow orders from a police officer, because I am well versed in which orders are legitimate and which are not.  I have dared officers to arrest me for standing up for myself, and so far, it hasn't happened.

    And of course, I'm white.

    Riddle me this: what is the practical difference between not standing up for your rights, and not having any rights to stand up for?

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    Yes, repack (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 04:51:04 PM EST
    In watching some of the Sunday morning shows to get a temperature of reaction, a particular phrase stood out from the several Black commentators/panelists-TV types, religious leaders, cops, citizenry--and that is that they all straightforwardly referenced The Talk.  We whites, insofar as I understand, never hear The Talk from our parents nor have The Talk with our growing young sons ... we don't feel the need to have a talk, hear a talk when growing up about the extra polite way one must act with a police officer who might stop or order a halt, even to the point of how we should look and what we should say.  That struck me hard because every Black participant on the different Sunday shows said the same thing ... with feeling and seeming sincerity.  Why?

    Let's get real about the Why.  We really do need to hear each other's perceptions, perspectives in daily life before we hasten to conclusions.  Another comment that struck home with me came from historian Doris Kearns Goodwin who underscored that the Report following the extensive civil upheavals in the cities in 1968 had recommended a number of actions for our country to take in response to the what-do-we-do-now outcry ... and, as she said, a number of those recommendations remain uncompleted and we talk about them again. (Sorry, but I forgot the name of the review committee ... The Kerner Report, I believe.)

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    Do you have a gun on your (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 05:14:03 PM EST
    lap while driving?  

    It seems to me to be an almost impossible job to be a law enforcement officer in the U.S. at this point.

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    ... are there any laws on the books in Minnesota prohibiting him from having a gun in his lap while driving?

    As far as law enforcement being an almost impossible profession, whose fault is that -- the civilian community itself who's being policed, or those who've made it their life's pursuit to push Second Amendment law to such an absurd libertarian extreme?

    Like it or not, Philando Castile had a legal permit to carry a firearm, and he was perfectly within his rights to do so openly. As far as I can tell, his "crimes" were driving while black, and exercising his Second Amendment rights while black.

    Aloha.

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    Gesh (4.00 / 1) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:43:14 PM EST
    Not to be picky but I can't understand why anyone would be riding around with a gun in their lap, even if they know the safety is on and they have a concealed carry... I do know that If they did that and IF a policeman had stopped them because of a BOLA...and IF the policeman told them not to reach for it...be IT the gun or a license..

    And IF they continued reaching.. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the policeman shot them.

    And IF I were on a jury I would cut the policeman loose.

    "Pigs in a blanket! Fry'em like bacon!" has had its effect.
    '

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    I have a feeling there's going to be (none / 0) (#137)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:53:44 PM EST
    a lot more to this story

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    There usually is (none / 0) (#142)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:55:06 AM EST
    But by then the original story has a life of its own

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    Gesh (none / 0) (#183)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:00:39 PM EST
    For months you've been complaining about the shortage of people carrying guns in some areas of the country, and now you're suddenly terribly concerned about where on their body people carry them..

    And don't forget to remind people that's  all these shootings happened in Robot Free Zones.

    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good robot with a bomb.

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    Why do (none / 0) (#184)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:22:24 PM EST
    You always make things up?

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    Such as? (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    That's (none / 0) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 07:20:58 AM EST
    the point Nate, if the biggest factor is staying alive is to not look like someone else of your own race, that's racism.

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    You mean Mexican-American, I presume? (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:29:30 PM EST
    Asia you know. And why does that mean you doubt he is racist against blacks?

    Really, unpacking this whole post would take all day. GLad I have plenty of help.

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    Asia= as if (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:41:51 PM EST
    Interesting background on (none / 0) (#53)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:52:46 AM EST
    MN shooting.  

    Back in 1969 I got a speeding ticket in South Bay, Florida driving home to Miami when I was a university student in Central Florida.  When I told my Dad he said South Bay has been a speed trap for the last 20 years; everybody knows that.  It was a speed trap with a a 60MPH to 35 MPH limit at the bottom of a small hill and a LEO right there.

    That is the only ticket I have ever had.  Castile seemed to be getting tickets on a regular basis.  A significant number, certainly not all, were not moving violations where the DWB was not an issue.  But a lot of the violations were what seem to me to be lack of money.  I am always outraged when I get my auto insurance bill and I can imagine how someone like Castile would react given what I guess his income seems to be.

    Problem is, not just for Castile but lots of others in his situation, is legally driving a car often costs more than they can afford to pay.  I have seen claims that 1/3 to 1/2 of the vehicles in places like Miami and LA have no insurance and in some cases fake tags.

    While what happened to Castile is tragic the bigger picture is large numbers of folks in America simply can't afford to legally drive.  The result is these folks wind up going deeper and deeper in debt due to the legal system.

    Not sure if there is a solution to this.  Almost no one would suggest eliminating tags, insurance, speed limits, parking rules, and such.  But in most places it is necessary to drive a car if one has a job.

    Just another part of the system that seemes rigged.

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    I've been wondering if there is a better way to (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 01:35:32 PM EST
    start enforcing these minor vehicle violations, assuming they need enforcing at all.

    But I think pulling people over for the infractions is just a way to check out the drivers for other things.

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    What is minor (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 03:24:00 PM EST
    about speeding or no insurance?  Some of the other violations were blocking a road which could cause a serious accident.

    At some point all of these things need enforcement.  The guy worked at a school and I would bet most folks are all in favor of strict enforcement of speed limits around schools.

    How many times would you allow someone to be caught driving without insurance before they were punished?

    I understand your point about DWB.  But this guy really seemed to have way too many traffic violations for things that, at least in my mind, should keep him off the road.  I spend more time than I like driving and see way too many folks who should not be driving; of all races.

    There are lots of things we still don't know about this case.  What is clear to me is there was a firearm found, and by some accounts it was out in the open.  While I am a strong 2A guy the right to bear arms carries with it the responsibility to do it in a responsible manner.  Having an unsecured weapon in a vehicle is not responsible in my view.

    While not a right driving a car also carries the burden of doing it responsible; including keeping the vehicle in good running order.

    In no was does being irresponsible justify getting shot; but it does increase the chances it will happen.

    Some stations are reporting there is dashcam video of the incident.  I am withholding assessing blame at least till I see the dashcam video.

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    Mr. Castile wasn't being pulled over by Officers Yanez and Kauser because he was a traffic scofflaw. But that said, the record shows that he had been pulled over on at least 52 separate occasions in recent years, so I have to disagree with you at least in part. I believe that the likely underlying issue here is likely "driving while black" in a predominately white community. We can deny that this practice occurs all we want, but the evidence very much shows otherwise.

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    What is not relevant (none / 0) (#165)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 12:15:01 PM EST
    Castile at best violated multiple laws.  Insurance is required by law to drive a vehicle on public roads.  Speed limits are necessary to minimize possible accidents.  Often times things like a broken tail light or loud muffler mean the vehicle has been poorly maintained and may have other problems like faulty breaks or bald tires.

    My point was things like lack of insurance or a poorly maintained vehicle are often the result of being at the low end of the economic ladder.  So if you are poor you have a better chance of violating driving laws simply because you can not afford things like insurance or maintaining your vehicle.

    Like Bernie and Donald both say the system is fixed.

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    ... as a rationale for Mr. Castile being shot and killed, since he wasn't pulled over for an outstanding traffic warrant. As such, his previous history of minor traffic violations has no bearing whatsoever on the incident itself. Stop blowing smoke to obfuscate the primary issue here, which is the Officer Yanez's conduct and not the decedent's traffic abstract.

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    Couple of links (none / 0) (#189)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 05:58:35 PM EST
    One from VC.

    And another from the possible source of the VC post.

    And the Cliff Notes blurb:

    But, as Harvard economist Sendhil Mullainathan explained in an October New York Times column, the more important cause is the sheer number of potentially hostile interactions between police and poor African-Americans

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    NRA update: (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:07:30 AM EST
    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a bomb.

    I have not read a word about how (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:25:13 AM EST
    the dozens of "good people" lawfully carrying firearms in and around the peaceful demonstration in Dallas could have done a damn thing to stop that one "bad guy," other than to cause increased confusion and alarm.

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    Yes, and not to mention (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 11:33:23 AM EST
    the police who were armed.

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    You mean a good robot with a bomb (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 03:11:33 PM EST
    Male Lives Mattter (none / 0) (#128)
    by thomas rogan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:34:17 PM EST
    Isn't it curious that just about every suspect who is killed by police is a man although men are only 50% of the population?  Is this proof that the police and society are sexist against men?

    Are you going to put (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:21:20 PM EST
    This in every thread till some one pays attention to you?

    Very clever.  Happy?

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    No, it isn't. (none / 0) (#178)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:37:37 PM EST
    But it's certainly proof of your penchant for attracting ridicule.

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    Latest traffic stop news (none / 0) (#129)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 09:53:17 PM EST
    LEO shoots BLM (none / 0) (#130)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:17:36 PM EST
    LEO was off duty and the young man (none / 0) (#173)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:15:19 PM EST
    with mental health issues,after an online dispute,  intruded into his house, throwing a 50 lb concrete planter through the window.

    Sad situation for all involved.

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    Curiouser and curiouser (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 10:43:10 PM EST

    The anti-Trump forces have unleashed a back-up plan in case their efforts to deny Donald Trump the Republican nomination fail: Give delegates in Cleveland the power to chose his vice president.
    It's a last-ditch effort, with the thought being if they can't get rid of Trump, then they can force at least one major concession.
    The proposal is being distributed by the executive director of the group "Free the Delegates," Regina Thomson, and it would change "rule 40," a party bylaw that guides how delegates choose the nomination of both the president and vice president.

    Sen. John McCain seriously considered then Sen. Joe Lieberman as a running mate in 2008, many delegates viewed Lieberman's abortion record as so unacceptable, they threatened to vote him down in a floor fight if nominated.
    The proposals to alter rule 40, expected to be debated in rules committee meetings in Cleveland this week ahead of the Republican National Convention, is considered a safety valve in the instance that Trump were to nominate a Democrat or a moderate considered unacceptable to the Republican activists.
    Perhaps foreshadowing that fight, just on Sunday it was reported that potential Trump veep choice retired Army Lt. Gen Michael T. Flynn had some relatively liberal views on abortion and gay marriage

    Opponents to Trump are planning a multi-pronged effort in Cleveland.
    In addition to these proposals, they are also working to convince delegates to support a rule that would "codify" what they say is delegates' responsibility to vote their conscience instead of how their state voted in the primary.
    They have a whip operation to persuade delegates and plan to run television ads in Cleveland during the convention

    LINK

    I'm sure Donald will have no problem at all with this.

    (That was a joke)

    They are (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 03:52:26 AM EST
    a bunch of control freaks. Okay. I understand why they want to get rid of Donald and all but attempting to control who is VP is just sounds like a way to slap Donald in the face more or less.

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    Then, there's (none / 0) (#197)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:01:38 AM EST
    this:

    "The Republican National Convention has also historically rejected the idea that state laws could bind delegates any more than state party rules or directions could. The very first time delegates were supposedly bound by state law was at the 1912 convention.

    Both the Illinois and Oregon delegations announced that state law dictated how they were to vote, but that some delegates did not want to vote as ordered. In the same way the Republican convention had always rejected any sort of binding, those delegates were allowed to vote according to their consciences and ignore state law. The Oregon delegation made similar announcements in 1916 and 1920, and each time delegates were allowed to ignore state law and vote their consciences.

    Although some claim it is "illegal" for delegates to defy state laws instructing them how to vote, the U.S. Supreme Court held in two cases nearly forty years ago that state laws could not trump national party rules. Part of their reasoning was that political parties must be free from government control, particularly in matters as important as who the party's nominee would be, delegate selection, and how delegates could vote.

    A careful reading of the rules passed by the 2012 Republican National Convention proves this to be the common understanding and practice of the party. Rules 14 and 16, which govern the election and selection of delegates to the convention, include several references to the fact that the national convention is free to ignore state law, including two occasions where rules begin with the phrase "No state law shall be observed..."

    And Rule 16(b)(1) stipulates that state party rules take precedence over state laws governing the election and selection of delegates, and that national party rules take precedence over both. So clearly the national party does not accept that state laws can supersede either state or national party rules.

    Do they have the stomach for this?

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    SITE VIOLATER (none / 0) (#143)
    by smott on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 06:13:04 AM EST
    ...

    Although (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 06:33:11 AM EST
    Serenity and hospitality sound good right about now....

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#145)
    by Nemi on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 07:05:02 AM EST
    The title (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 07:15:35 AM EST
    is misleading. It really should say how Bernie Sanders never really attempted to gain the votes of African Americans AND his few attempts to do so were pretty inept.

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    Little known sports fact (none / 0) (#150)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 09:26:36 AM EST
    I grew up near Pekin IL. (none / 0) (#152)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 09:49:44 AM EST
    Pekin HS and my HS played sports in the same conference. And, yes, I am old enough that the team was called the Chinks during my high school years in the late 1960s.

    Local lore claimed that the Chinks got their name because of a belief that if one drilled a hole straight through the earth from Pekin one would end up in Peking, now called Beijing.

    Other Pekin claims to fame: hometown of the late Senator Everett Dirksen, had sundown laws on the books well into the latter half of the 20th century. The town has been working very hard to overcome the negative image caused by its long association with sundown laws.

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    My last residence (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 09:58:33 AM EST
    Was in 4 yrs in Champaign.  90 miles away.    I was a little surprised how conservative, for lack of a better word, the area was.  And I was in a college town.  I had an image of Ill bring are more progressive place.  

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    It is Chicago's dominance (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 12:46:13 PM EST
    that gives Illinois its blue reputation. The rest of Illinois, known collectively as "downstate", is more conservative. I grew up in a small industrial city downstate, huge union presence, and yet for more than 100 years the congressperson from this district has been a Republican.

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    Like a lot of the country (none / 0) (#196)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 07:54:35 AM EST
    NY state, outside of NYC and a few other smaller cities, is at least a half red state. Michigan is half red, so are California, Washington, and Oregon, plus many others.  Look at maps of the 2008 and 2012 elections by county - the only solidly blue areas (that aren't around cities) are in New England, up the California coast, the upper quadrant of MN, the Rio Grande Valley, and the meeting point of WI,IL,IA, and MN.  The map is mostly red with patches of blue, so ypur observation isn't surprising.

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    One thing to look at is (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52:16 AM EST
    population distribution in these states. In Oregon, for example, if you just look at geography, how much landmass is red instead of blue, it looks like about half the state is red. If you look at the population, though, you see that about 2/3 to 3/4 of the population of Oregon resides in the Willamette Valley, which is roughly the I-5 corridor from Portland down to just south of Eugene.And that area is predominantly blue.

    When people complain about how Portland dominates state politics, how more rural areas are seemingly disenfranchised, I find it helps to understand the dynamics by acknowledging that population distribution.

    The same dynamic is true of Washington and probably other states with one or two big cities and a lot of sparsely populated landmass.

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    Of course I understand this (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 08:32:31 AM EST
    I have lived many places in the country.  The point about central Ill that I didn't make very well was not so much that it was conservative, yeah I used that word, but the it was, sorry Casey, backward.  My state and its residents have been called hicks my whole life.  I encountered just as many ignorant hicks in central ill as I ever did in my own state.

    That surprised me.  And it's true that in all my travels I have mostly lived in urban areas.  Champaign, which is where I worked I lived in a much smaller town a few miles away, was about as rural as I have ever been away from here.  So I might find the same thing other places.  

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    No need to apologize, Capt. (none / 0) (#201)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 11:03:06 AM EST
    Central Illinois can be very insular. Since I have been back here i have been astounded by what to me is a serious lack of progress over the four decades i was on the West Coast.

    To be fair, there are good things here. For years you could not get a decent cup of coffee in this town. Nor could you find a micro-brewed beer to save your life. And organic food? No where to be found. Now, while it is still lightyears behind Portland, say, all of these things can be found, in smaller quantities than other places, but still they are here.

    There are farmers markets populated by local farmers growing and selling organic produce. Even Kroger has a section of organic produce and other items.

    Politically, though, there is still much work to be done. And culturally- well, let's face it, big cities get the big concerts and the theatre and have the amazing art museums, all things that encourage a more open and outward looking worldview.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:10:29 AM EST
    I have been to Pekin many times because of its proximity to the lock and dam at Peoria and all the barge traffic from my many early years on towboats

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    Knew people from Pekin when I was in college (none / 0) (#156)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:30:24 AM EST
    at ISU in Bloomington-Normal. But I never knew about that 'Chinks' thing. holy hell. I can see it though, certainly heard plenty similar in my Illinois youth and college years. The nicest farm raised girls would come out with the darndest things. Made me understand what the word 'ignorant' meant. They really were oblivious.

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    My high school sports teams (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:39:32 AM EST
    We're the Rebels.  Yep, those Rebels complete with confederate flag which being the "school artist" I reproduced in every way imaginable.  Including for every game on a 7 ft paper hoop the teams ran through when they entered the field.

    They changed it in the early 80s.  Red Wolves now.

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    How (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 10:48:36 AM EST
    common was this?

    Pretty common.

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    This is in 2015 (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 11:01:41 AM EST
    The Rebel nickname isn't among the 10 most commonly used in the state of Arkansas but it is in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Minnesota -- the only five states with double-digit schools using the term.

    It makes me happy my little school was so far ahead of the curve.  But not really surprising.  For this part of the country and this part of the state it was always pretty progressive.  The reason is many northerners coming here to escape the cities for the scenery and stuff.  My high school was built by a developer in the 60s with the intent of luring these people by offering a good school close to his developments.  Most of the parents of my classmates were not local.

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    One of my earliest encounters with (none / 0) (#160)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 11:00:48 AM EST
    acronym culture: One of the high schools in my home town of Rockford is Rockford East. Their colors are red and black. for some ungodly reason they named the team the East Red and Blacks. Of course no one is going to call them that - so the mascot is the E-RAB!!!  Cause of lots of confusion - what? A-RABs? No - E-RABS - it is entirely different!!!

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    Evan Bayh (none / 0) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 11:55:07 AM EST
    is running for the senate from Indiana again.

    If Bayh helps get another Senate seat (none / 0) (#179)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:49:05 PM EST
    I'm glad he's running

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    Bayh may now be the favorite. (none / 0) (#190)
    by christinep on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 06:05:23 PM EST
    New GB PM (none / 0) (#164)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 12:07:07 PM EST
    Josh Marshall has a good piece on Open Carry (none / 0) (#168)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 01:34:58 PM EST
    at the Dallas protest . It is pretty amazing that none of the protesters exercising their open carry rights were not hurt.

    When I heard the Hughes story I felt thankful Hughes hadn't lost his life amidst the chaos and confusion two nights ago. But it was still stupid and irresponsible to be carrying at the protest. More importantly, it's an example of why expansive open carry laws are stupid, illiberal and dangerous. It's not Hughes' fault those laws are on the books.

     

    Without doubt, this is a wonderful photo... (none / 0) (#169)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 01:43:58 PM EST
    Yes, that is how I felt (none / 0) (#171)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:08:51 PM EST
    Great photo...wonder how long it took to set up.

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    What (none / 0) (#172)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:12:26 PM EST
    makes that pix is what seems like an awkward positioning of the LEOs legs.  It almost looks like the female is willing the LEOs backwards.

    In fact any accomplished photographer would instantly recognize this as an example of what is called the "spray and pray" school of photography.  Today's high burst rate cameras can capture a large number of frames very quickly, often resulting in quite embarrassing images.  One thing I have noticed when I capture images of the FSU Lady Volleyball players is that some of the images show the ladies with their eyes closed during play.  In some cases this is simple blinking, in other cases they are shying away from the ball.  In any case I would never post any of these images in public, so I do not suffer the ire of my Lady Seminoles.  

    Perhaps the most famous example of this is the many times movies of Hitler were looped to make it seem like he was dancing the jig when in fact he was simply moving normally with out the looping.

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    Thanks! After reading the article (none / 0) (#175)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:18:19 PM EST
    it does make more sense. The police were captured while bending a little to put the cuffs on her. Camera caught it at just the right moment to produce that effect you described.

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    Dallas shooter used AK-47 knockoff (none / 0) (#170)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 01:54:51 PM EST
    pix

    The rifle was a Saiga AK-74 (not a typo really 74, not 47).  I have to wonder about the choice of such a weapon.  The normal AK-47 shoots a .308 or 7.65 round while the AK-74 shoots a 5.45 round.  AR-15, and knockoffs shoot a .223 or 5.56 round, the most popular round sold in the US.  While the 5.45 round is marginally more expensive than a 5.56 round you can go into a local Walmart and get 5.56 rounds; something not true for the 5.45.

    While the shooter was not an 11Bravo in the army he did get a few weeks of weapons training using an AR15, including field striping, cleaning, and marksmanship.  So I have to wonder why he would choose to switch to a different platform that was marginally more expensive.

    WEll (none / 0) (#176)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 02:33:00 PM EST
    it looks line Pence is going to be Trump's VP if all the reporting is correct. Trump and Pence have a rally scheduled in Indiana tomorrow.

    Trump-Pence---sounds kind of like (none / 0) (#181)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 03:08:42 PM EST
    tuppence...about what their ticket is worth.

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    I look (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 04:40:49 PM EST
    at this as an opportunity for the GOP to unload all their baggage onto the Trump Titanic. What better way to get rid of Pence than to stick him on the USS Trump and let him go down with the ship. I'm sure they are probably going to be attempting to load more on that sinking ship though I'm not quite sure how they get Ted Cruz on board.

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    Point a camera at it - Cruz will be there! (none / 0) (#191)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 07:34:44 PM EST
    Cruz (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 07:47:56 PM EST
    is going to speak at the convention.(but if I was Trump I would hire a food taster)

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    Woo hoo (none / 0) (#193)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 08:24:33 PM EST
    He climbed on deck all by himself with marginal coaching. Paul Ryan played coy but in the end he's going to climb on the deck of the USS Trump it seems.

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    Ryan is retaining full control of the life boats (none / 0) (#194)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 11, 2016 at 08:29:47 PM EST
    There are (none / 0) (#199)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 at 09:47:01 AM EST
    still plenty of deck chairs to be arranged.

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