New Wapo-ABC Poll Expands Hillary's Lead Over Trump

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Posted on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 08:44:00 AM EST
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Hillary is increasing her lead over Donald Trump, according to a new poll.

Hillary Clinton has emerged from the two major party conventions and their aftermath with an eight-point lead over Donald Trump, aided by a consolidation of support among Democrats and a failure so far by Republicans to rally equally behind their nominee, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Clinton and her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), now lead Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence (Ind.), by 50 percent to 42 percent among registered voters, double the four-point advantage the Democrats held on the eve of the Republican convention in mid-July. Among likely voters, the Democratic nominee leads by 51 percent to 44 percent.

Here is the poll.

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Couple of good things there (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 08:17:14 AM EST

50%. That's a good thing,

Also if you look at the internals of that poll they are pretty stunning. She is pretty much killing in every single one from trust to temperament and even the economy and this stood out-

Q: Who do you think would do more to make the country safer and more secure
H 51 T 42

5 polls released. Trump 0-4-1! Sad! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by Molly Bloom on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 04:41:11 PM EST

Quote from (5.00 / 4) (#5)
by Nemi on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 05:12:31 PM EST

a Hillary supporter on the campaign trail, makes for a perfect bumper sticker:

It takes a village,
not a village idiot.

this isnt how it's done! (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by linea on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 01:23:56 AM EST

you cant use a hillary v trump national poll. you need to go to 538 where they do the wonky number-crunching for the electoral votes. it's seriously a lock for hillary. trump would need to flip florida, iowa, ohio, and north carolina. not gonna happen. maybe he can flip north carolina but that alone doesnt really get him any closer to winning. the numbers arent close when you do the wonky electoral thing. trump cant win.

that wouldn't be good for business (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by pitachips on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 11:08:22 AM EST

It is in everyone's best interest to make this appear to be closer then it really is:

right wing blogs/media WANT Hillary to win as it will ensure future growth (nothing generates more right wing clicks then the Clintons)
traditional media's ad revenue has skyrocketed
political consultants on both sides are making money hand over fist
liberal media outlets don't want to depress turnout - they also need to keep supporters sufficiently worried to keep glued to their monitors/TV

I know some will disagree but I honestly can see Hillary reaching 380 EVs and winning the popular vote by 8-10 pts. I think Obama is probably personally offended at the notion of Trump being president - you're going to see him going full bore until election day.


Meanwhile (5.00 / 3) (#8)
by Nemi on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 06:55:30 AM EST

NYT continues doing its very best trying to prevent Hillary Clinton's lead from growing any further. In yet another hit piece Clinton's Fibs[!] vs. Trump's Huge Lies they seem to advocate for the 'choice between the plague and cholera'-view. Being no doubt aware that the more they repeat a lie, the more likely it is to be perceived as the truth, the author makes sure to mention a good deal of the smears, innuendo, falsehoods made up by Hillary Clinton's adversaries in their attempt to paint her as a lying liar:

1) ... persistent narrative ... Hillary Clinton is a slippery, compulsive liar ...
2) PolitiFact had found 27 percent of Clinton's statements that it had looked into were mostly false or worse ...
3) 2 percent of Clinton's statements it had reviewed were egregious "pants on fire" lies ...
4) WaPo Fact-Checker has awarded its worst ranking, Four Pinocchios, to 16 percent of Clinton's statements that it checked ...
5) Trump voters ... often argue that Clinton is an inveterate liar and crook ...
6) Critics also claim that Clinton lied to the families of the four Americans killed in Benghazi ...
7) ... her disingenuous explanation of flip-flopping on the Asian trade agreement.
8) Her accounts of her use of private email servers have been consistently false or misleading ...
9) ... astonishingly, she continues to mislead by claiming that the F.B.I. director, James Comey, judged her answers truthful (he didn't).

After which (there actually are a few more examples!) the author has the gall to end his (s)hit piece with this:

Honestly, there is no comparison.

I know, right! Yet, that's exactly what you just did! -- Made a comparison!

: Factchecking the 'fact-checkers': (none / 0) (#9)
by Nemi on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 07:18:31 AM EST

"Republicans fashioned the narrative into a talking point that even pro-Hillary media yappers didn't bother to refute. The "fact-checkers" have spoken. [...]
All of the "Big Three" fact-checkers acknowledged the substance of the exchange to some degree, but either downplayed or outright lied about it. [...]
On Friday afternoon, Hillary addressed the "controversy," and given the week's political currents, was wise not to make a federal case over it, but the media should hold these fact-checkers to a higher standard."

Conversation independent candidate (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 08:37:43 AM EST

Just mentioned this on the open. Suddenly it's everywhere

SCARBOROUGH - CONSERVATIVE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE TO ANNOUNCE FOR THE PRESIDENCY

i heard (none / 0) (#11)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 09:18:57 AM EST

about this. Not sure what he does though. Apparently he's a Mormon and it's about Utah and out west. Kind of short notice though for him to do much of anything. My guess would be it is about down tickets in places in where there are a large Mormon population.


Sounds more like (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by CoralGables on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 09:23:17 AM EST

Someone trying to get a gig at Fox news in the future


Scarborough said (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 10:15:25 AM EST

It was about making sure Trump loses. It could certainly help do that.


: Also (none / 0) (#14)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 10:46:32 AM EST

I can imagine it might in some cases help, the republicans, with the ticket splitting problem.
The problem being most people don't split the ticket.

: If he takes Utah (none / 0) (#27)
by TrevorBolder on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 06:32:48 PM EST

Off the table (he most likely goal) , that should seal the deal

Delightful polling (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by KeysDan on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 12:16:13 PM EST

results and encouraging to observe that, at least, not all American citizens are ready to entrust themselves to the care of Nurse Ratchet.

Of course, we know that polls are a snapshot of the moment, and always carry the ...if the election were held today..caveat. And, while the spread may narrow by November, owing, in no small part to the media horse racers, Trump is likely to have inflicted upon himself irreversible damage.

Not necessarily the well earned damage related to his shallow or sketchy policies or his cruelty, bigotry and misogyny (his "refreshing telling as it is,") masquerading as opposition to political correctness, but to the growing perception that Trump is unstable, maybe even unhinged. Certainly, erratic and scary as manifest by his fabulist human core.

IN keeping with my pledge (none / 0) (#17)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 12:52:05 PM EST

To report on tha All Due Respect boys, Mark Halperin says polls are a snapshot.

These are a snapshot of a severed arm.


The polls show that 1 out of 3 Trump voters ... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 07:19:27 PM EST

... are just as fckn ignorant and stupid as the other two.


In accord with my part of (none / 0) (#18)
by KeysDan on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 01:04:40 PM EST

the bargain, Maureen Dowd was awful, despite her topic being Terrible Trump. How hard is it to mimic Trump--short sentences, if sentences at all, lots of repetition, small words, all punctuated with believe me's, and, something like: sad.

MoDo tries her hand at satirizing Trump in a dream-like story of his being elected president and reminiscing about the election. Then, of course, the orderlies come in from Bellevue and take him away. All told with big words and complete sentences. The only decent feature was its unusual absence of Hillary. So, there was that, but still not redeeming.


: The key to understanding MoDo is margaritas. (none / 0) (#21)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 02:05:49 PM EST

At least two pitchers' worth, accompanied by her optional musical soundtrack. While that may not help you make any sense of MoDo, at least it puts her work in its proper perspective.

: Better reading: Alexandra Petri (none / 0) (#25)
by Towanda on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 06:17:50 PM EST

"Petri Dishes" at WaPo is wonderful.
Her latest is a takeoff of "Waiting for Godot," but instead, we are waiting . . . waiting . . . waiting. . . for the promised Trump presidential pivot.

This poll (none / 0) (#2)
by jbindc on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 12:02:45 PM EST

No Dem has EVER won college educated whites - since they started tracking data like this in 1952. Obama lost them by 14 in 2008 and by around 7(I think) in 2012. Clinton is now winning them by 6.

looks like (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by pitachips on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 03:24:56 PM EST

A lot of these people are voting on tax/regulatory policy. The problem with Trump is that even if he agrees to give the Chamber of Commerce and all of these other traditionally Republican leaning organizations everything they want - he still represents the sort of danger (because of his impulsive and oftentimes childish behavior) to the US and world economy that these voting blocs will not want to risk.


I had a (late) friend (none / 0) (#6)
by Repack Rider on Sun Aug 07, 2016 at 05:20:24 PM EST

...who was a college professor, with a PhD. He was a Republican, and I asked him once how he could vote for Reagan, since he had to know that Reagan was an idiot.

He responded by saying that he knew Reagan was not very smart, "But he makes good appointments."

Who then set a record for the most indictments and convictions in any single administration, eclipsing Nixon as the most corrupt in our history.

How did college educated people ever vote Republican? It seems like an oxymoron.


: Given that many of those indicted officials ... (none / 0) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 06:03:09 PM EST

... also once worked for Richard Nixon, I'd argue that Tricky Dick's administration can still lay legitimate claim to the title of most corrupt ever. It just took fifteen years or so for grand jurors to finally wise up to the rest of them.
When it comes right down to it, otherwise well-educated Republicans have yet to learn that a college degree does not automatically confer upon its holder the title of "Smartest Person in the Room." More often than not, basic common sense is an innate personal trait, rather than a learned skill. Either you have it, or you don't.
We grow too soon old and too late smart.

New poll from Monmouth (none / 0) (#19)
by CoralGables on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 01:16:11 PM EST

Clinton +13

A month ago they had Clinton at +2.

: Right wing (none / 0) (#20)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 01:59:01 PM EST

screaming meltdown happening as we speak.

Anyone see Trump's economic speech today? (none / 0) (#22)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 04:21:47 PM EST

His campaign now be summed up as "The Man With a Plan to Be a Man With a Plan."

There was 13 separate (none / 0) (#23)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 05:22:26 PM EST

Instances of heckling


On screaming (none / 0) (#26)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 06:21:09 PM EST

TINY HANDS

: Oh, lord. (none / 0) (#29)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 07:24:32 PM EST

Baa waa waa.

What about when he said his plan called for (none / 0) (#31)
by vml68 on Mon Aug 08, 2016 at 10:46:51 PM EST

investing trillions in t!tties? I can't wait to hear the details on that ;-)!
Are you telling me he did not pick up a few extra male votes there?


Trevor (none / 0) (#32)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 09, 2016 at 11:11:47 AM EST

Noah


: It's a fair point (none / 0) (#33)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 09, 2016 at 11:13:46 AM EST

Makes you wonder if it was intentional

Trump and GOP support (none / 0) (#34)
by john horse on Fri Aug 12, 2016 at 05:21:42 AM EST

Trump is the first RINO (Republican In Name Only) to be selected as the GOP nominee. I can understand the lack of support for Trump from party regulars. Trump represents a personality cult.

Four new swing state polls are out today, ... (none / 0) (#35)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 12, 2016 at 06:14:19 PM EST

... and Hillary Clinton is ahead by double digits in three of them. Per Josh Marshall and TPM, she's now up by double digits in states which account for 273 electoral votes.

Per Nate Silver and 538.com, here's what the electoral college map would look like were the election held today with Mrs. Clinton leading in the national polls by an average margin of 8 percentage points. And it could get a lot worse for Trump and the GOP, were the floodgates to open over the next few months, and her margin swells to 12 points or even 16 points in the interim.

The Trump campaign's response in freefall? Double back to stupid, and then double down on it. Yeah, that's the ticket.

;-D

Interesting thing about those polls.... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by unitron on Fri Aug 12, 2016 at 10:55:03 PM EST

...the best she does in any of those 4 states is that in one of them only 55% of the respondents want someone else.

Granted, that majority not for her is split amongst 3 other candidates.


You know what else is interesting? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 13, 2016 at 03:04:04 PM EST

That many of those people who complain about the inherent limits of a two-party system will also never hesitate to point out during those occasional election race involving three or more candidates that the leader / winner doesn't appear to enjoy majority support.

For that it's worth, one might also note in those same state polls that nearly two-thirds of voters are rejecting Trump, and 95% are saying "No!" to the anti-vaccine-trolling physician, Dr. Jill Stein.

Aloha.


It's not a limit of a 2 party system... (none / 0) (#39)
by unitron on Sun Aug 14, 2016 at 06:25:04 PM EST

...because we aren't limited to 2 parties.

Otherwise there wouldn't be 4 candidates in those polls.

But it's a de facto 2 party system because we only get to vote for one candidate with no runoffs even if no one gets above 50%, instead of being able to vote Yes or No on all of them.


: That's just the way it goes. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 14, 2016 at 07:35:08 PM EST

Abraham Lincoln was first elected president in 1860 with only 39% of the popular vote, in a four-way race where voter turnout was 81%. Had there been a runoff, he might very well have lost.

The (none / 0) (#37)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 13, 2016 at 02:04:36 PM EST

somebody else thing happens every election.
