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Posted on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 12:15:00 PM EST
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Update 11/8: 3:30 pm: A healthy baby girl has arrived, 8 lbs. 15 ozs! Mom and baby are doing well!

The TL kids are at the hospital this morning where they will will hopefully deliver a healthy baby girl. I'm on pins and needles, so until I get more news, here's a new open thread, all topics welcome.

Update 10:45 pm MT: No baby yet, labor continues!

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    So excited for you and your family! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 12:50:49 PM EST
    Hoping for an uneventful labor and delivery and the arrival of a healthy baby.

    With all four of my grandkids, I couldn't concentrate on anything to save my life.  The craziest delivery scenario was with the third baby - he was born on Christmas afternoon two years ago, so with all the Christmas stuff going on, it was more or less chaos - and not even organized chaos, at that!

    These are such special times, Jeralyn - and you have so many wonderful moments ahead - not least is how your child becoming a parent will deepen and strengthen your relationship (at least, that's what it's supposed to do!).  Honestly, it is so much easier - and so much more fun - being a grandparent than being a parent.  And it's not because you have less responsibility to the child, it's just that it tends not to get cluttered up with all the other stuff of our lives: it's quality time!

    Can you tell I love being a grandmother?

    Will hope to hear the good news soon!

    May you have (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 12:53:10 PM EST
    the wonderful year ahead that I have just enjoyed with my grandboy . . . now walking, talking, and even more marvelous than he was a year ago.

    And he loves his grandma's lullabies, also known to my progeny as "mom's Sixties peace songs."  Maybe put in a bit of practice today to get you through the day?

    I know that this is so hard, as at one point, when my girl and grandboy both were in danger I was outside the hospital yelling at the sky.  But all ended well, after all.  Hold that thought close, as you now are so close. . . .

    And by the way, this is good timing (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 01:07:58 PM EST
    as with the reminders in social media that tomorrow is the anniversary of that awful election, I was dreading the day. But now, I am cheered by this reminder that good things still abound around us in this world.

    And that is a reminder of another great lullaby, one of my father's favorites that he would growl for all seven of us -- so we played it at his funeral, and there was not a dry eye in the church: Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World."  

    "I hear babies crying, I watch them grow,
    They'll learn much more than I'll ever know. . . ."


    Parent

    Towanda (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:53:03 PM EST
    How does someone entrance Harvey Borkin? Inquiring minds

    We really had no idea what a heavy hitter University WI is. We just woke

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    Which UW campus? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:10:53 AM EST
    There are 26 . . . the result of the "Wisconsin Idea" of a century ago, some say the best exemplar of Progressivism.  (Progressivism then, in the La Follette era, not whatever it is now.)  And Borkin has been called, himself, an exemplar of the Wis Idea, with his support of the best and brightest, coast to coast.

    My doctorate is from UW-Madison, long one of the world-ranked universities.  And my undergrad years were at UW-Milwaukee -- also now an R1, top-tier research university.  I also know a lot of good faculty folks at a lot of the other four-year campuses, and I started my teaching career at the largest of the two-year campuses.  

    There are Centers of Excellence in some fields at some of the major campuses, not found at others -- architecture, theater, Great Lakes Water Sciences (the only one anywhere), public health, etc. -- so the field of study can help to focus which campus to attend.  Other factors can be whether a student wants a rah-rah football campus (Madison) in a very atypical town -- with students as 40,000 of the residents, so a huge part of the population of a small city, and a transient sort -- or wants an urban experience (Milwaukee), 30,000 students, with opportunity for a lot of internships in a real city.  Or there are fine faculty in some fields at campuses in Packer Country, Green Bay, or closer to the Twin Cities -- or to Chicago (although Milwaukee is a fast train ride to Chicago, too, with the second-busiest Amtrak line in the country).

    And for a military family, it might matter that UW-Milwaukee has a mission of serving veterans, with more vets than any campus in six states around.  (They are great students.)

    But avoid UW-Superior.  Some students from overseas, with not the best command of English, think that "Superior" is a designate of academic distinction.  Uh, no.  It's the name of the city, almost in Canada, and it's an ugly city -- and a declining campus.  As are some others, in the Walker era of budget cuts, so it can be crucial to understand which campuses are most affected by him and the crazy legislators here.

    Parent

    Thank you so much (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:06:30 AM EST
    Discussing the different campuses. This wasn't discussed with the speed dating of college fair.

    There are extra needs and challenges when a student has significant physical disability. Thank you for breaking the different campuses down for us. Part of my job once he's settled on the college is to line up the other services he needs.

    WI sure offers a lot

     

    Parent

    Aha, about disabilities (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 11:25:06 AM EST
    Serving those students also is the mission of the Milwaukee campus.

    Of course, all campuses in the country (except teo that refuse federal funding) are required to accommodate (a significant term differentiating from K12 law) students with disabilities. But as you and I know all too well, service can be grudging.

    My daughter, with a chronic and legally protctrd disability, initially wanted to go to ththe UW-Whitewater campus (well, her father wanted her to go there, his alma mater). But only a bit of research on my part showed that it was not good on this.

    So, she started at UW-Milwaukee.

    Even so, her meds made it difficult for her to do well.  She "stopped out," started a career, but in a field with lousy benefits, so her meds were not going to be covered and were incredibly costly. I weaned her off the meds. And she told me that she always wanted to be a teacher but thought she wasn't smart enough, although that was the meds. I found her a good campus nearby for teacher ed (I wasn't happy with UW-Milwaukee's ed program at that point, in upheaval owing to a bad dean).

    Off the meds, she was an honor student, won scholarships, graduated, was named Teacher of the Year in her district in her first yesr! And this year, she started graduate school -- while still teaching -- with a specialty in special ed, to "pay it forward."

    I hope that helps, too, as you head into hard decisions ahead. Listen closely and trust your instincts about campus promises; ask questions about details of campus processes. Know the differences in federal laws for K12 and the collegel level, as I have seen so many students and parents who expect that colleges and universities will do all that K12 must do. Nope.

    And know that sometimes, there is only so much that campuses can do . . . Or that doctors will do. My daughter's doctors were resistant to weaning her off the meds, for their own reasons (which I figured out, because they also were fwculty on tenure track).  As ever, doing the research for myself and being assertive -- and raising my daughter to do both for herself -- did what no campus or doctor could do.


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    Thank you for sharing your success (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:02:20 AM EST


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    Your assertiveness (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:34:15 PM EST
    for your son has encouraged me, Tracy.  Wish we had cybermet sooner, when my daughter was the age of your son.

    Parent
    There are so many things we understand (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 03:57:36 PM EST
    But still so much more to know.

    I am sorry that on the road of trying to help her we made things more complicated and even harder at a point.

    I shared her success story with Josh. I know he feels excited and overwhelmed all at once right now.

    Parent

    the world can always use (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    another scorpio

    Baby Day for everyone! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 03:52:08 PM EST
    Every day should be Baby Day.

    Woot Woot!!! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 07:06:32 PM EST
    Awesome night for Team Blue!!! Murphy was so far ahead that was no surprise but YAY Northam!!!

    the author (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 07:11:00 PM EST
    of the transgender bathroom bill lost to a girl

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    WaPo (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 07:19:43 PM EST
    Democrat Danica Roem ousted longtime incumbent Del. Robert G. Marshall (R) Tuesday, becoming the first openly transgender elected official in Virginia -- and one of very few in the nation.

    The race between Roem, 33, and Marshall, 73, focused on traffic and other local issues in Prince William County but also exposed the nation's fault lines over gender identity. It pitted a local journalist who began her physical gender transition four years ago against an outspoken social conservative who has referred to himself as Virginia's "chief homophobe" earlier this year introduced a "bathroom bill" that died in committee.

    awsum

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    And the boyfriend (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:01:59 PM EST
    of the female news reporter who was shot on TV took out a long serving house of delegates member.

    Parent
    Moron Don says: (none / 0) (#24)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:18:12 PM EST
    "Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for," the president tweeted the midst of his 12-day trip to Asia.

    Trump, of course, accepts no blame for the loss. But he's very good at pointing fingers at others.

    Parent

    And that tweet was only hours after (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:13:16 AM EST
    other tweets in which Trump extolled Gillespie as his guy.

    The large orange lout has Alzheimer's, or he is a sociopath.  Or both.

    Parent

    I think you meant his "magnificent" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:26:05 PM EST
    fingers, right?  

    Truth is, Gillespie tried to Trumpify himself, but I think Virginia was turned off by how cravenly he went about it.  And clearly, Democrats were energized and committed to keeping the cancer from spreading.

    Really pleased to see such a convincing win; here's hoping it's a trend.

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    I have no idea what Virginia thought :) (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:48:18 PM EST
    I'm too new as their next door neighbor

    Whatever they were thinking, thank phrucking God !!!

    Parent

    Progressive civil rights lawyer (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 10:00:25 PM EST
    Larry Krasner wins as the new District Attorney in Philadelphia.

    I just was reading up on him (none / 0) (#33)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:14:56 AM EST
    and I gather that you would agree that this is good news for your wonderful city, Peter.

    Parent
    Definitely good news. Although he will face (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:52:14 AM EST
    a lot of entrenched resistance to his agenda of criminal justice reform. A county District Attorney has a lot of power within our badly broken system. I hope he can rally the line prosecutors and enlist the police -- or at least overcome their skepticism -- that a different approach can produce more public safety and more justice both. Larry is an old friend, very smart, and very tough. I am hopeful.

    Parent
    Hard to envision a civil rights (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:10:50 AM EST
    lawyer heading up an office of prosecutors.

    Parent
    Jeralyn, congrats on the safe arrival of (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:15:44 PM EST
    the TL granddaughter!  I'm sure everyone's over the moon, including you (you don't realize how you've been kind of holding your breath, until you know for sure that mother and baby are good, and then it's - whoosh - and you can breathe again)!

    Will look forward to hearing more when you get a chance - in the meantime, enjoy every moment of this!

    Congrsts to all, J! (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:01:59 PM EST


    Amen to that (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:33:20 PM EST
    Seems like a long labor, almost 24 hours.  And then quite a big baby. Much like our first. Congratulations, Grandma J. We are eagerly anticipating our first grand this coming March.

    Parent
    That is a long labor, and a large baby (none / 0) (#68)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:53:36 PM EST
    as well I know, as that's exactly my experience with -- and the size of -- my firstborn.

    It's called fetal macrosomia, a condition of high prenatal growth rate for the top 10 percent of babies by birth size.

    The good news, Jeralyn, is that big babies sleep well, often sleeping through the night much sooner than most babies.  Of course, that's also the result of their appetites, as they consume enormous amounts of food.  I couldn't keep up (breastfeeding), as few moms of macrosomic babies can, so I supplemented with a few bottles of formula.  But that allowed the pediatrician to assess the amount of food consumed: at the age when most babies are consuming 24 ounces in 24 hours, my firstborn was consuming 40 ounces in 14 hours.  That's the point when the pediatrician said, really, you're exhausted from this -- breastfeeding every 15 minutes sometimes -- and you get to go to formula fulltime.  Thank heavens, as I really was exhausted. . . .

    And all went well, as that big baby grew into a big guy who is six-foot-four.  So, if that helps TL Kidlet's mom, feel free to share -- and tell TL Kidlet's dad that supplementing with formula gives him the chance to give the bottle feeding once a day or so.  (Good advice from my pediatrician that meant that when mine had to be weaned to the bottle, it was easy.)

    Parent

    My first grandson was 8lbs 15 oz., too, (none / 0) (#69)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 09:30:27 PM EST
    but now, at almost-5, he's pretty much average height and weight, so sometimes birth weight doesn't always translate to being a big kid.

    Both my daughters breasfed, and pumped milk, as well, so that dads could bottle feed - and since both were going back to work, were able to freeze milk to send to daycare (and for when Grammy was babysitting!).

    The other thing that's kind of interesting about breast and bottle is that sometimes babies find it so much easier to bottle feed that they aren't as interested in the breast - they have to work a little harder at the breast - so sometimes it can be tricky about when to introduce the bottle.

    And, I also learned that the nutritional composition of breast milk changes throughout the day, and changes with the developmental and nutritional needs of the baby.  You can actually see this when breast milk is pumped - the milk pumped in the morning looks different than the milk expressed at night.  I just think that's fascinating.

    My advice to my girls was to do what works; millions of babies have thrived on formula, so if the breastfeeding wasn't working well, they shouldn't feel bad if they went to formula.  And if, as with you, the feedings were draining more than just milk, they should know that an exhausted mother isn't good for the mother or the baby!

    Best advice I ever got was to trust my instincts, that even a brand-new mother "knows" more than she thinks she does.  

    Parent

    Firstborn daughter was 8'15oz. (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:23:59 AM EST
    OB-GYN re #2:  will induce to prevent baby getting this big in utero.

    Parent
    Yes (none / 0) (#74)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:56:08 AM EST
    except I could not be induced, owing to a health condition -- and my daughter was supposed to be induced, but then the doctor delayed it, and . . .  the result put her and my grandson in danger, resulting in emergency surgery.

    I sure hope that, if this occurs again -- as it often does -- my daughter is induced next time, in time to keep half a pound off my next grandkid.

    Parent

    My wife was very much against (none / 0) (#76)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:23:01 AM EST
    being induced. She toughed it out for nearly 24 hrs and delivered "naturally" a healthy 8 pounder, now a wonderful young woman. Fortunately, our OB-GYN was inclined in the same direction, feeling he had learned his most important lessons not in med school but from midwives he had worked with. Our second and third were nearly the same size, but labor was not nearly as long.

    Parent
    As I recall, the doctor,s concern had (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 11:58:31 AM EST
    to do w/gestational diabetes, not the duration of labor.   But also, the national annual msg. of board-certified OB-Gyns was scheduled for San Francisco.  

    Parent
    My oldest nephew (none / 0) (#78)
    by CST on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:50:57 AM EST
    Was over 10 lbs when he came out.  My sister ended up having an emergency C-section because there was no way that baby's giant head was coming out the "normal" way.  

    For baby number 2 they were thinking of trying to do a normal delivery, and she had a midwife that was working her through it, but eventually even the midwife told her she had to give that up because baby number 2 was also too big with a giant head (both the dad and the mom's dad also have large head to body ratios).

    Needless to say, she supplemented with formula as well.  That said, if that's what "good sleeping" looks like for a baby.... dear lord.

    Parent

    Yes, hat size (none / 0) (#83)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:42:56 PM EST
    is a fashion issue in my family.

    Jeralyn, as you may know, and if TL Kidlet is a big-headed babe, this can mean late progress on some stages ahead, such as when she will roll over, crawl, etc. I worried, as new mothers do, when my son was slower than the norm on these markers -- until the pdiatrician said "watch him, see how he rolls his torso but then has to stop? that head is too much for his torso to handle!"

    And then, of course, she gave the wise advice to ignore the norms and just enjoy my boy, because he would catch up.  And sure enough, soon enough, he was rolling over, crawling, walking, and running . . . and has not slowed down since.


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    oh yea (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CST on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:58:52 PM EST
    All those things go out the window and you just have to realize every kid is different.  

    When my sister was having trouble potty-training kid number 2, her doctor pointed out that "you don't see any 10 year olds still using diapers, he'll figure it out eventually"

    Also the kids are bilingual - which means they started speaking later, and it was hard to understand them, and everyone was worried about development.  Now they are both fluent in English and Turkish and are learning Spanish.  They'll be fine.

    Parent

    DAMNATION (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 02:00:50 PM EST
    and other tv nooze

    DAMNATION starts tonight and looks promising.

    VARIETY

    The second episode of "Damnation" pivots on a striking scene: A group of shabby farmers walk into a small Iowa town, carrying handmade signs and chanting slogans. The signs demand unity, a living wage, a compassionate economy: "UNITED WE STAND," "GROW YOUR OWN FOOD," "WE NEED FAIR PRICES." It's a showstopping set piece, set to Laura Marling's "Devil's Spoke," a similarly timeless banjo number that reminds the listener, "all of this can be broken." The demonstration is achingly familiar; it could be happening in your own town square, right now. (In a later episode, an autoworker leads strikers through a chant: "Our movement united will never be divided!" Police arrange themselves on the sidelines, armed with nightsticks and dogs.)

    But "Damnation" is set during the Depression, in a rural landscape feeling the first signs that their way of life is becoming extinct. The new USA show bills itself as an untold history of the American labor movement, and in moments like this, the romance and power of that statement are made flesh.

    also

    two movies playing this month worth catching.  GET OUT is running on HBO.  great.  just see it.

    A CURE FOR WELLNESS is on CINEMAX.  i caught this one in the theater and im glad.  a more beautiful movie you will rarely see.  and also great.

    DAMNATION is on USA (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 02:02:55 PM EST
    and here is a Times review of A CURE FOR WELLNESS

    Parent
    This is good (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 09:58:39 PM EST
    Really good

    Parent
    Best wishes... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 03:27:13 PM EST
    for a safe and speedy delivery of the bundle of joy.  Don't know about scorpios but the world definitely needs more Merritt blood!

    In local election news, I am torn coming down to the wire on a NYS Constitutional Convention.  Republican and Democratic Parties are against, which makes me lean towards voting yes.  Unions are also against, which lean me towards voting no.  Does the constitution need amending?  Sure.  Do I trust anyone in NY to do it without it turning into a special interest big money sh*t show?  Not really.

    Happy Election Day y'all

    Vote no (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 05:19:12 PM EST
    to the Constitutional convention!

    Then use your good friend Google to find out who is behind this -- as even with your "blow it all up" inclinations, I doubt that you are in so much misery that you want to be in that company.

    Parent

    Yeah... (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 10:45:52 AM EST
    the risk of a big money sh&t show was too great...but I will regret what might have been...the  opportunity to enshrine more environmental protections, legalized marijuana, criminal justice reforms (to name just a few things) in our state constitution. In theory it's a great idea...in practice, not so much, because people.

    Maybe in 20 years we will have evolved a little bit here in NY to give it a go at our next opportunity.  But right now, fear and distrust is just too great.

    Parent

    Good, you figured out (none / 0) (#38)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 11:30:25 AM EST
    what and who is behind this, in every state. And enough states have fallen for it that a win in New York would have been bad for all of us.

    I fully agree that a good look at revision of our constitutions and Constitution could be wise -- bless the founders for the humilitas of their example of inclusion ofmthe amendment process -- but only when the motivation is good.

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    In NY... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:31:36 PM EST
    it's an every 20 year ballot thing, automatic.  So no one is "behind it" per se, but some nefarious characters definitely threw some money behind election advertising in favor of it.  While the civil servants unions threw more behind advertising against it, fearing a poaching of their constitutionally protected pensions...and probably rightly so.

    If it had passed, the new constitution to come out of the convention would have had to go up for a vote too, so there was a fail safe of sorts...but who can trust voters either in the disinformation and the political parties as warring tribes age we live in.  

     

    Parent

    Woot woot (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:45:15 PM EST
    Just saw my doc.

    He says he is more than happy to write me a prescription for "whatever"

    Not really surprised he is a libertarian.  We have smoked

    Parent

    Congrats... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:06:06 PM EST
    I hear you get more stoned with a prescription;)

    I threw the kooky libertarian running for Suffolk County District Attorney a bone at the polls yesterday...based on a campaign promise of not prosecuting victimless crimes.  Needless to say he got smoked and the Democrat who promised to kick MS-13's arse won handily.  Our current Democrat DA is under federal indictment for obstruction of justice over an alleged cover-up of police brutality by the former police chief who was replaced as police chief by the new elected DA.  

    Blue State problems lol.

    Parent

    first exit polls (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 03:50:04 PM EST
    soon.

    VA is looking a bit less forbidding.  im optimistic.

    Parent

    FYL (none / 0) (#10)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 03:59:55 PM EST
    TGE

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    Find Your Legislator? (none / 0) (#16)
    by leap on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 06:53:54 PM EST
    Transmissible Gastro Enteritis?

    What?

    Parent

    from your lips (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 07:03:34 PM EST
    to garuds ears

    Northam wins.

    damn.  pretty stunning

    i expect more retirements

    Parent

    damn (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 07:06:13 PM EST
    GARUDA'S ears

    (gods ears really.  thats mine)

    Parent

    Time for the party (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:02:18 PM EST
    to step up and actively support Jones in Alabama.

    Parent
    Definitely (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:33:11 PM EST
    he's a great candidate.

    Parent
    Yes, (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 04:22:35 PM EST
    North VA showed up above 2013 numbers apparently and they loathe Trump.

    Parent
    we are warned (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 04:24:05 PM EST
    that the democrat areas historically are late reporting so not to despair

    Parent
    Oh, I remember (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 05:32:15 PM EST
    all too well last year it looked like for quite a while Hillary was going to lose VA and then she won it by 5 points. So I might just really not pay attention and get up in the morning and find out.

    Parent
    I hope you get (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 04:21:55 PM EST
    beautiful baby soon and an uncomplicated delivery for your daughter in law. I can't comment on the grandparent thing and how wonderful it is because I'm not one yet and hopefully for not quite a while.

    Congratulations TL fam (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 08:45:53 PM EST
    I hope all goes well

    Another woman joins us as women bring it home tonight.

    Looks like Kevin Spacey (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:32:30 PM EST
    Is living in his very own house of cards.

    It's a sad thing.

    His imdb page seems to be not working, (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:53 PM EST
    although all the other pages I checked seem to be fine.

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    Sadder for his victims, I think. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:22:18 PM EST
    I mean, it's not like this hasn't been going on for years and years, and there's no way he didn't know his behavior was inappropriate, if not criminal.

    The fact that he was getting away with it didn't change the character of what he was doing from wrong to right, and just because no one was stopping him didn't mean he shouldn't have had enough awareness to have sought help.

    I hope his finances are in order at least.

    Parent

    Of course (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:48:03 PM EST
    Didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

    Parent
    I guess what I meant (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:52:32 PM EST
    Was the whole thing.  From Cosby to Harvey and Kevin too.  Of course the victims come first but still it seems like a sad thing to me that people with so much to offer can destroy themselves and everything they have ever done.  Which lets face it, is a lot.  For what?  

    It's not in any sense a justification.  Just an observation.

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    Seems like a lot of politicians as well these days (none / 0) (#59)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:31:01 PM EST


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    True (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:37:51 PM EST
    I guess it's  a personal prejudice being a stage and screen fan to the bone but I am less moved by politicians destroying themselves.

    If anything it seems quite a lot more destruction is needed and deserved.

    If you know what I mean.

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    Alleged victims (none / 0) (#61)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:05:45 PM EST


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    "Accusers" or "complainants" (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:30:35 PM EST
    would be more "fair and balanced," until there is a factual basis to draw some sort of conclusion. We are not talking about legal proceedings or standards here, however, at least not in most cases. I heard NPR this evening use "accusers," rather than "victims," in the context of stating their policy not to name "accusers" in sex assault cases, without those individuals' consent. It caught my attention.

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    Even as a former prosecutor, (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:14:24 AM EST
    the rush to judgment disturbs me.

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    so to be clear (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 10:07:42 AM EST
    leagalisms aside, is it your and/or Peters position that these "accusers" who as far as anyone can tell have absolutely nothing to gain and a LOT to lose, should not be believed?
    this goes for Moore, Trumps, Cosby et al.

    in spite of the fact they told people at the time?

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    Best to let peter g speak for (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 03:47:07 PM EST
    himself.

    Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a person violated a criminal statute where the alleged victim is legally of an age to give consent is very difficult.  

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    granted (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 04:13:34 PM EST
    not the question and this is not a court case.

    do you believe them.  or more to the point do you believe, for example the Moore story with 30 sources and women going on the record with their names in a state where it could literally put their life and the lives of their family in danger, is a political hit job?

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    I'm not in a position to (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 04:19:53 PM EST
    judge the credibility of anybody in any of these recent allegations.  Not a juror or judge.  And not an Alabama voter. If I were an Alabama voter, I never would have voted for Moore anyway.

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    to clarify (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 10:11:37 AM EST
    these women, and men, are almost certainly never going to be able to provide "proof".

    so setting legalisms aside, in a purely POLITICAL context, which after all is what we are talking about considering the SOL, do you believe these people?

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    I have never said or implied (none / 0) (#131)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 11, 2017 at 04:11:51 PM EST
    any such thing, Howdy, and I have no idea why you would even suggest that. On a case by case basis, I am more than willing to do my best to figure out who is telling the truth and about what, in important matters (such as these) that for one reason or another will not be decided in court. I do not assume, however, and I will not accept, that all those who level accusations of sexual misconduct are telling the truth, and I have a lot of trouble (but less) even presuming this to be so. I'd rather go -- I choose to go -- case by case, on the available direct and circumstantial evidence.

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    NPR just lost its news editor in this tsunami. (none / 0) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 04:21:31 AM EST
    Peter G: "I heard NPR this evening use 'accusers,' rather than 'victims,' in the context of stating their policy not to name 'accusers' in sex assault cases, without those individuals' consent. It caught my attention."

    Michael Oreskes resigned last week in the face of multiple allegations of sexual harassment, some of which date back 20 years to his days at the New York Times.

    Men have been harassing women -- and doing worse -- since time immemorial. The dam finally broke, and women are saying, "Enough."

    Good. Somewhere above in Heaven, my grandmother is smiling.

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    With apologies (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:26:19 PM EST
    To the libertarians and defense lawyers,

    This stuff about never being able to break into the cell phones of terrorists and crazy people is bullish!t.

    It needs to be fixed.

    Rake News (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:30:00 PM EST
    Speaking of libertarians, wonder how Senator Rand Paul is doing after being put under by his anesthesiologist neighbor, Rene Boucher?  Hopefully, Rand was carrying a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" that cushioned the tackle's worst possibilities.  Bad enough as it was.  Apparently, the dispute was over lawn care, plantings and blowing leaves across property lines. Paul is not expected to return to the senate for a while.

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    Both doctors (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:34:46 PM EST
    So much for the BS about doctors being a finer breed.

    I'm trying hard to ....

    Hell with it.

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    Yes, trying hard, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:41:32 PM EST
    but, I do send thoughts and prayers...that the two will let bygones be bygones and become good neighbors; maybe starting with a backyard BBQ...ribs.   Too soon?

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    Leaves? (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:45:42 PM EST
    I thought Bernie Sanders caused the donnybrook;)

    Credit to the both of them for going old-school violent resolution in their neighborly dispute though...nobody got shot, shocking! Too rare in NRA country these days, kudos Rand & Rene.  

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    Well, Rand (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 04:01:20 PM EST
    didn't see it coming. Rene blindsided him while on his rider mower.  Embarrassing for an opthamologist.

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    Or a member of Congress... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 04:29:02 PM EST
    where you need eyes in the back of your head for lobbyists and donors while you speak to the people, and vice versa.

    Public position/private position.

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    Purportedly wearing headphones and (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:16:36 AM EST
    attacked from behind.

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    Nobody got shot... (none / 0) (#52)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:12:46 PM EST
    because they're both white/rich? Probably goes a long way towards the low level charge (4th degree assault) and $7,500 bail for assaulting a sitting US Senator too.

    You and me pal, we ain't seeing the light o' day for a long time.

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    Uh oh (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:43:50 AM EST
    Rand Paul retweets stories casting doubt on 'landscaping dispute' reports

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    Just found out my health insurance plan (none / 0) (#51)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 05:06:34 PM EST
    won't be offered by Blue Shield in 2018 even though they sent me a letter saying they would.  This isn't totally unexpected or horrible news.  They stopped offering my plan to new members years ago and it was just a matter of time before they dropped it for everyone.

    Looks like I'll go with a Kaiser bronze plan through the ACA.  I just talked to Covered California and they said the tax credits I might be eligible for should be good for the next two years.  I'm a little skeptical of that being true.  Anyone know?  Can the government take them away halfway through the year?

    Well, hopefully (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:23:42 PM EST
    not but Trump threatens to take them away about once a month. So I wish I could answer your question.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:34:20 PM EST
    I know  I have been gushing about AHS-CULT.  But it is just so damn prescient.  Take this quote from last night's, that's LAST NIGHTS, episode.

    The Trump loving main character slaps a woman and is sentenced to counseling. He says a whole string of awful alt right things and the female counsellor smiles, closes her notebook and says -

    "I'm old school OG feminist.  And do you know who mY favorite politician of all time is?  Donald J. Trump.  
    For thousands of years mankind has built civilization with a single intention, to keep women contained.
    Face down, ass up, compliant.
    (Awsum riff of the reaction of the clothes of the two candidates)
    With every catchall, every put down, ever slap and pass-over at work the anger compounds.
    --
    We are sitting on the biggest bomb the universe has ever seen.
    Do you know what it is?
    Female rage.
    The patriarchy has damped it up for millennia.
    --
    With every tweet, every eye roll, every pu$$y grabbed, he is slowly releasing the fury."

    Seriously, if nothing else you have to marvel at the timing of that.

    All I have to say (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:45:39 PM EST
    is you completely get where we are coming from. Totally.

    A whole election season of it wasn't enough with the press doing it too. Now we've had another whole complete year of it.

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    mea culpa (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:50:27 PM EST
    TUESDAY nights episode.  i missed it cause i was busy last night allowing the female rage wash over me,

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    court cases? (none / 0) (#64)
    by linea on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:14:45 PM EST
    not many court discussions on this site anymore. did anybody follow the Angelika Graswald case? this is the first i've heard of it.

    It's probably going to like this for a while (none / 0) (#92)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:07:57 PM EST
    Everyone obsessed with politics.  

    I didn't follow the Graswald case.  Do you have an opinion?  What convinced prosecutors the drowning wasn't an accident?

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    TalkLeft (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:10:35 PM EST
    The politics of crime.

    I think I read that someplace.

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    Would be nice if you read the entire (none / 0) (#101)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:39:36 PM EST
    "About" and "Comment Policy" section again.  

    I agree with Linea's observation.  I fully understand why people are obsessed with Trump, Brazile and Russia right now. I just find too much of that to be boring.  

    The big legal news I'm waiting for is something in the Steven Avery and Bredan Dassey cases.  Would love to see new trials.  Can't wait for season 2 of Making a Murderer.  

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    I would say (none / 0) (#105)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 08:31:11 PM EST
    crime-related politics and injustice, is the very definition of the tRump administration morning noon and night. Just because you grow weary of defending or dismissing doesn't mean it must become boring to the rest of us.

    The Russian interference is shaping into one of the biggest political crimes of all time. Many people in the tRump orbit face serious criminal charges and protracted politically supercharged legal maneuvering up to and including a bona fide  constitutional crisis.

    And you are bored? Enjoy your koolaid.

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    Who's drinking the kool-aid? (none / 0) (#107)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    Yes, I'm bored.  Too much one-sided political discussion is probably what drove some of the TL crowd away.  

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    Talk LEFT (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    Being the name a reasonable person might expect a somewhat "one sided" discussion.

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    And yet you remain. (none / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:25:26 PM EST
    Several things:

    1.  Jeralyn can - and does - write about what interests her.  If that interests you, great; if it doesn't, you're not required to stay.

    2.  It's not your blog.  I can assure you that whining about being bored is probably not your best play.

    3.  Anyone with rudimentary reading skills can see that even within a community that is largely left, there are plenty of opposing opinions and disagreements on various issues.

    4.  It's a big world, and a bigger web: if you're bored, you're not trying very hard.


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    My opinion is this blog (none / 0) (#112)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:53:45 PM EST
    Is better when it's not 90% Trump.  I already stated I understand why people disagree with me right now.  I'm a big boy, I can handle not always getting my way.

    While I'm bored of Trump, I still like discussing other topics like the one Linea opened this thread with. Do you have an opinion of that case?

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    wish i could read the court filings (none / 0) (#103)
    by linea on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 08:08:17 PM EST
    What convinced prosecutors the drowning wasn't an accident?

    do prosecutors ask to be convinced? based on some of the cases discussed here, it seems more like they accept whatever far-fetched idea the police come up with. especially when they have someone who can't afford a lawyer and who they can keep locked in jail indefinately pre-trial.

    her boyfriend's kayak is hit by a wave and flips. he is an experienced kayak enthusiast. according to the huffington post, the case against her was that:

    she knew one of his paddles was missing a locking clip, that he wasn't wearing a life vest or wetsuit, and that their trip along the river was during dangerously low temperatures and rough water.
    i don't see how any of that is her fault or in any way makes her criminally responsible. the police subjected her to 100 hours of interrogation without a lawyer or translator (she's a russian speaker).

    the detectives interrogating her are so stupid, they think there is a drain plug on the bottom of the kayak (yes, Wile E. Coyote and Acme Co). it's on the top and is used to drain the boat after you flip it over. apparently, the prosecutor thinks boats are designed with a removable plug in the bottom too. it's moronic. the whole case seems ridiculous to me.

    in my opinion, she had a horrible lawyer and she should never have accepted the reduced charge just to get out of jail. i also condemn the judge for keeping her in jail for two years when simply taking her passport away while she awaited trial would have been sufficient.

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    Nope (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Yman on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 09:44:44 AM EST
    according to the huffington post, the case against her was that:

        she knew one of his paddles was missing a locking clip, that he wasn't wearing a life vest or wetsuit, and that their trip along the river was during dangerously low temperatures and rough water.

    That was not remotely "the case against her." If that's all you know about the case and the evidence against her, you should read a few more articles before working up an outrage simply because it's a female perpetrator and a male victim, in my opinion.

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    Was she given bail? (none / 0) (#104)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 08:22:10 PM EST
    Police/prosecutors love to go after the spouse.  

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    this (none / 0) (#106)
    by linea on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 08:34:20 PM EST
    Graswald has been awaiting trial in Orange County Jail on a $3 million bail or $9 million bond.

    after two years in jail... Angelika Graswald of Poughkeepsie pleads guilty to criminally negligent homicide of the drowning death of her fiance during a kayak trip on the Hudson.

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    for anyone (none / 0) (#127)
    by linea on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 07:40:12 PM EST
    who might be interested, here is the CBS News / 48 Hour investigative report (video):

    Death on the Hudson
    JULY 29, 2017, 9:00 PM A stunning twist in the case against a woman charged with killing her fiancé during a kayaking trip -- was it an accident of murder? "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant has the latest in the case.

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    Congrats Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#79)
    by CST on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:51:33 AM EST
    I hear grandparent is the best role of them all, although I have to say aunt is a pretty sweet deal as well.

    Spacey to be replaced/edited out of film (none / 0) (#80)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 11:50:05 AM EST
    Link with autoplay
    Actor Kevin Spacey, who is facing mounting allegations of sexual harassment and assault, will no longer appear in Ridley Scott's forthcoming drama, "All the Money in the World," two sources close to the film confirm to CNN.
    The filmmakers have taken the rare move of planning to completely edit Spacey out of the film and replace him with another actor.
    Christopher Plummer will take over Spacey's role in the film, which despite the last-minute change, is still set for release on December 22.

    Plummer is probably a better choice for this role of a billionaire grandfather.  Spacey had to have a bunch of make up and prosthetics to look that part.  I've been a fan of Plummer for a while.  I think he has one of the best voices in the business.

    Roy Moore, (none / 0) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 02:42:44 PM EST
    Republican candidate for US Senate is reported, by the Washington Post, as having (allegedly) sexually molested a 14 year old girl when Moore, at age 32, was an assistant states' attorney. The WaPO also reports that three other women, when aged between 16 to 18, were pursued by Moore.

    The woman says she did not come forward before this time because of her children, and that having been divorced three times and having a "messy financial" history would be held against her.

    Roy Moore, the candidate with the small gun and big cowboy hat, infamous over his removals from the Alabama S.C. ( refusal to remove a big 10 Commandments and his refusal to abide by the US Supreme Court ruling on marriage equality), is running in a special election Dec 12 to fill the senate seat vacated by Jefferson Sessions.

    Moore has struck back as being the work of evil dark forces who are lying about his Godly reputation.  Luther Strange, appointed to the vacant senate seat, lost to Moore in a Republican primary, now says that he will consider a write in campaign given the allegations against Moore.  A candidate needs to withdraw within 78 days of the election (Dec 12).

    The same (none / 0) (#86)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 03:43:16 PM EST
    Luther Strange  who was appointed by the Governor who was neck deep in some hanky panky himself
    Amid growing evidence of an alleged affair with a former top aide and allegations that he used public resources to carry it out and cover it up, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley (R) spent a year denying he had anything worth losing his job. But on Monday, Bentley resigned from his job and pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors related to covering it up.

     

    February: Longtime Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions (R) is confirmed as President Trump's attorney general, and Bentley gets to pick his replacement. He chooses the state's attorney general, Luther Strange, who was considering investigating Bentley for the whole affair saga.

    Cue up Neil Young

    Alabama, you got
    The weight on your shoulders
    That's breaking your back
    Your Cadillac
    Has got a wheel in the ditch
    And a wheel on the track


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    One of the most interesting (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 04:19:07 PM EST
    Parts of the Moore thing is the universal agreement among republicans.  Not one dismissed it.  Every one, as one reporter said, seemed to race to condemn him "if true".   Which is a pretty good indicator they believe it for whatever reason.

    Part could be the extensive sourcing of the story.

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    Alabama (none / 0) (#89)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 05:53:52 PM EST
    Republicans not so much
    A number of top Alabama Republicans were quick to defend Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) following allegations that he'd sought sexual relationships with multiple teenagers -- and quick to attack Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) for throwing Moore under the bus.
     Not to say they don't believe it
    They're not the only ones defending Moore. According to the Montgomery Advertiser, Alabama state Auditor Jim Zeigler (R) said even if the report was true, it wouldn't be a big deal. Ziegler went even further while talking to the Washington Examiner.

    "There is nothing to see here," he said. "The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse."

    and of course, this being the (oft loosened) bible belt, gotta have some baby Jesus thrown in
    "Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus," Alabama state auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner on Thursday.


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    Charlie Cook (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:04:06 PM EST
    Just speculated Sessions might escape Trump and run as a write in.

    Another tidbit - Alabama has a sore loser law that say NONE of the primary candidates can run as a write in.  Which is their only non Moore choice at this point.   For any write in to have a chance they would need near universal name recognition.

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    Certainly (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:23:52 PM EST
    Sessions is probably the only one that could be a write in candidate and qualify under the sore loser law to run. However he provides a really rich target too because of all his meetings with the Russians. But maybe Alabama won't care about meeting with Russians since they are white nationalists after all.

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    Apparently there is (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:32:09 PM EST
    Muted consternation about noodling a 14 year old.  They ain't gonna care about Russia.

    Mueller,  he cares.  He might be a reason Sessions doesn't make it back to the Senate.  

    I think whatever happens on the R side at this point this is a flashing green light to the Ds to jump into this race with all 4 feet.

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    Well, if Sessions (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:18:55 PM EST
    decides to run for his old senate seat and wins even if Mueller indicts him it will just be another Republican appointed. I guess there would be the risk of Mueller actually indicting him while he is running as a write in candidate.

    Perez was already sending people down to Alabama before this story broke. I'm not sure how much public involvement Jones wants from the national party. I guess they will do whatever he wants.

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    Sounds (none / 0) (#98)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:19:47 PM EST
    like political suicide to me. The ballots have already been printed, a huge chunk of the true believers will never abandon Moore and many of the clueless will merely pull the R box.

    Whatever his current peril, he is way better being sitting AG than an unemployed losing candidate. Meanwhile he is still in the position to do immense damage to the DOJ, especially in the areas of civil and voting rights.

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    Thats actually what I thought (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:26:35 PM EST
    I saw someone, I forget who, say something like 'wed morning the republicans did not think 'how do we change or improve our message?' They thought 'how do we further suppress democrat votes?'.

    It's what the confederate elf was born to do.

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    Also (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:05:56 PM EST
    I don't think for a second all those DC republicans suddenly found a moral compass.  They never wanted Moore and they still don't.

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    And (none / 0) (#116)
    by FlJoe on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 09:20:24 AM EST
    when all else fails let's "lock em up"
    Republican Alabama State Representative Ed Henry said on Friday that he wanted someone to bring charges against the women who accused GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore of making sexual advances on them when they were teenagers.

    In an interview with The Cullman Times, Henry raged that the women interviewed in the Washington Post's bombshell report about Moore's sexual behavior waited so long to publicly accuse him of having improper relations with them when they were teens.

    "If they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years," Henry fumed. "I think someone should prosecute and go after them. You can't be a victim 40 years later, in my opinion."



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    you cant (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 09:41:33 AM EST
    make this stuff up.

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    And yet (none / 0) (#121)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 11:15:59 AM EST
    the bile spews forth.

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    Bentley's wife was who sunk him (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 11, 2017 at 12:16:43 PM EST
    That girl, she was pissed and she had the goods :)

    And the screen shots of Bentley accidentally texting his wife when he thought he was texting his girlfriend were a hoot.

    But she outed him for his financial wrong doing too. It was all in the texts. Her iPad was synced (at first accidentally) to his cell phone. And the girlfriend got him a burner phone but that eggit refused to use it half the time.

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    I think you mean that ... (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:52:28 PM EST
    KeysDan: "A candidate needs to withdraw within 78 days of the election (Dec 12)."

    ... Alabama law actually prohibits the withdrawal of a candidate from a ballot within 76 days of the election. Absentee ballots with Moore's name on it have already been mailed to Alabama voters. So, the GOP can't replace him at this point.

    Aloha.

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    But they can disqualify him, with the (none / 0) (#114)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 05:48:13 AM EST
    result that any votes cast for him would not count.

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    They can disqualify Moore by ... (none / 0) (#125)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 06:43:04 PM EST
    ... refusing to seat him in the U.S. Senate, should he win the special election next month. But I'm really not sure whether or not the Alabama GOP can actually disqualify him from the ballot at this point, since I'm completely unfamiliar with the specifics of Alabama election law.

    I remember back in late September 2002, when Congresswoman Patsy Mink died 35 days before Election Day, we looked to run a replacement candidate, only to learn that we were unable to do so because we were within 60 days of Election Day. So, Hawaii law required that her name had to remain on the ballot at that point.

    Mrs. Mink's GOP opponent was a real right-wing crackpot, and we were worried that many voters might end up casting their ballots for him by sole virtue of her death. But all our worries proved unfounded, because she not only won re-election posthumously but did so by a huge margin, which then compelled the State to subsequently schedule a special election for her replacement.

    Aloha.

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    The AL GOP (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 06:49:24 PM EST
    said today they will not remove or disqualify him

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    bobbelheads (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 07:52:14 AM EST
    are still talking about people like Strange doing a writin.  but it was said yesterday there is a sore loser law that prohibits that.

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    Congratulations, Jeralyn, to you and yours. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:49:57 PM EST
    And welcome to the wonderful world of grandparenthood.

    RIP, John Hillerman (1932-2017). (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:20:12 PM EST
    Perhaps best known as the stuffy estate caretaker Jonathan Quayle Higgins III in the 1980s hit CBS drama "Magnum, P.I.," Hillerman was one of the most versatile character actors in Hollywood. He was the insufferably smug Howard Johnson in Mel Brooks' 1974 acclaimed comedy "Blazing Saddles." That same year, he played Russ Yelburton, the hapless L.A. Water Dept. deputy director who was casually (and as it turned out, wrongly) accused by Jack Nicholson's J.J. Gittes of criminal conspiracy in Roman Polanski's classic noir "Chinatown."

    He will be missed.

    "One Day at a Time" (none / 0) (#102)
    by RCBadger on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 07:59:52 PM EST
    He also played Ann Romano's boss on "One Day at a Time."

    Congratulations, TL, on the birth of your granddaughter.

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    Not to mention... (none / 0) (#132)
    by unitron on Sun Nov 12, 2017 at 09:03:26 PM EST
    ...his role as the smug and pompous Simon Brimmer on the entirely too short-lived Ellery Queen on NBC back in '75-'76.

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    Louis CK film has it's premiere cancelled (none / 0) (#109)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:19:06 PM EST
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    The cancellations were announced shortly before the New York Times published an exposé of the Emmy-winning comedian regarding allegations of sexual misconduct. C.K. has repeatedly dismissed such accusations or declined to discuss them altogether in recent years.

    One problem I have with the the Louis CK coverage is they're using some of his standup routines against him.... basically saying if he talks about obscene things on stage he's likely a pervert.  I don't know what he did or didn't do but standup should be a safe place to be politically incorrect.  

    See, this is how libtards deal (none / 0) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 11, 2017 at 12:17:53 PM EST
    With sexual predators

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