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Mortality Rate Climbs for Underinformed White Males

Brookings Institution released a study of mortality and morbidity in the 21st century.

Case and Deaton find that while midlife mortality rates continue to fall among all education classes in most of the rich world, middle-aged non-Hispanic whites in the U.S. with a high school diploma or less have experienced increasing midlife mortality since the late 1990s. This is due to both rises in the number of “deaths of despair”—death by drugs, alcohol and suicide—and to a slowdown in progress against mortality from heart disease and cancer, the two largest killers in middle age.

The combined effect means that mortality rates of whites with no more than a high school degree, which were around 30 percent lower than mortality rates of blacks in 1999, grew to be 30 percent higher than blacks by 2015.

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US News and World Report writes an article on the study, "White and Dying in America", with the tag line, "The mortality rate among under-educated whites in America is rising, which explains why so many voted for Trump."

These are exactly the areas where Trump did his best. He over-performed the most in counties with the highest drug, alcohol and suicide mortality rates, according to Shannon Monnat, a political science researcher at Penn State University. She determined he also did the best in the counties with a large working class and high economic stress.

...It’s hard to sugar-coat these findings. To be brutally honest: mortality rates for people in the middle of their life in rich countries all over the world are falling – except for under-educated whites in the United States.

....The rise in mortality rates for working class whites appears to be rooted equally in poor job opportunities and social dysfunction – which explains the anger that under-educated white voters carried with them into the 2016 presidential election. And this anger is what propelled Trump into the White House.

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    Honest truths need to be told (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by vicndabx on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:18:23 AM EST
    about what we will need to pay to invest in hard hit communities across the country. Snake oil short term fixes will not work. We need to focus energies around a few specific proposals IMO.

    My hope is the Democrats will pick up and run with some of the ideas our standard bearers proposed during the last election. Problem will be how to get our child-like attention span media to pay attention.

    I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#2)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:45:01 AM EST
    My concern is whether the American public has the patience to give real solutions the time to work, out whether many of them will continue to buy the promises of a snake oil salesman who promises quick, easy (and fake) solutions to complex, long-term problems.  Like promising new coal jobs for a collapsing (and destructive) industry, blaming trade agreements for jobs lost to automation, etc.

    Parent
    This is one of our biggest problems, (none / 0) (#3)
    by vicndabx on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:30:16 AM EST
    lack of patience.  TBF, we do need to pass/provide short term assistance to those that need it while we wait for any gains to take hold. People gotta eat.

    Absolutely right, folks need to be told the truth on dying industries.  

    Parent

    Come live in (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:20:59 PM EST
    GA or AR for a few years and see if that changes your mind or better yet permanently move to MS or SC. These people are not liberal in the least. They are conservative.

    The work of Case and Deaton (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 01:33:25 PM EST
    add, considerably, to the conversation.  However, definitive understandings of selectively rising mortality need continued study and assurances that the data are not misinterpreted.

     It is interesting to note that mortality rates of adults with only a high school education for certain, difficult to prevent illnesses (e.g., cancer of gall bladder, multiple sclerosis) are no higher than for adults with a college education. But, much higher for for highly preventable causes of deaths, such as lung cancer, accidents, suicides, and risky and unhealthy behaviors.

    The idea of restoring jobs of the 1950s, such as those good coal mining jobs are as viable as restoring the buggy-whip industry. And, putting the country's demographics into reverse is equally untenable.  

    Trump's seeming reliance on the white working class's resentment of the poor and minorities, whom are stereotyped as welfare queens, taking their tax money and/or jobs, is no solution.

     And, the mindset that welfare has corrupted the poor, so the best idea is to cut welfare and give the money in tax cuts to the job creators is but tired Republicanism.  But, this is to be the Trump way, based on the ideas of the failed Trumpcare and the destructive Trump budget blueprint.

    To address the situation will take more, not less, government assistance and support.  Taking away health insurance or states denying expansion of Medicaid, or devaluing preventative health, or eliminating mental health care represents the antithesis of reversing the mortality rates.

     

    Trump will bring (none / 0) (#75)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:47:53 PM EST
    back blacksmith jobs.  He will bring back demand for horseshoes.

    Parent
    The human consequences (1.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 07:00:33 PM EST
    The Obama policies of allowing the nearly unlimited importation of cheap foreign labor coupled attacking industries (e.g. Coal) that the big money green donors hate and compete with actually wind up killing people.

    Progressive response: Screw 'em. They are probably all stupid racists anyway.

    Illegal immigration (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 07:07:02 PM EST
    was down during the Obama years.  Basically very little illegal immigration.

    But don't that let you stop hating on the brown people.

    Parent

    my local npr station (none / 0) (#15)
    by linea on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 07:34:18 PM EST
    reported that there were only a few u.s. states with a net incease of non-legally residing persons (i think it was 4 states).

    for WA the increase was primarily driven by:

    • h1b visa workers (from india) losing their jobs and staying.
    • family-members of LPRs (from asia) who arrive on a tourist visa with the intent of staying.


    Parent
    Not Really (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:53:03 PM EST
    The number of Mexican's has declined but the "other" has increased. More of a wash than anything else.

    That's using 2014 numbers you may have some that are more up to date.

    However the big news is

    On Wednesday, CBP released figures showing that 18,762 undocumented immigrants were stopped at the US-Mexico border in February, a steep drop from the previous month when 31,578 were apprehended.
    What made the 40 percent drop all the more notable was that typically there is an increase in traffic this time of year, according to Secretary Kelly.
    "CBP historically sees a 10-20 percent increase in apprehensions of illegal immigrants from January to February," the DHS chief said in a statement Wednesday

    There had been an increase in traffic in the months leading up to the sudden decrease as well, according to DHS.



    Parent
    You misread (none / 0) (#56)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 01:47:11 AM EST
    the article you cite. It says the overall immigrant population is the same. Not therefore increasing.

    But I know this is your biggest issue.  Too bad your heart is filled with such a feeling like that.

    Parent

    I see that you don't under stand that a (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 09:33:46 PM EST
    wash means the numbers are about the same.

    Parent
    Illegal immigration was down (none / 0) (#72)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:13:58 PM EST
    So what?  Tens of millions are in place. Don't forget H1B foreigners displacing American workers, such as at Disney.

    Parent
    Or all the H2B workers ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Yman on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:37:32 PM EST
    ... displacing American workers at Mar-a-Lago, among Trump's many other properties and businesses.

    Parent
    Fair enough (none / 0) (#74)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:42:28 PM EST
    You want the undocumented deported.  I disagree.

    In fact, I have said I would hide Dreamers in my home if need be.

    I find your values abhorrent.

    Parent

    Or all the H2B workers ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Yman on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:49:48 PM EST
    ... displacing American workers at Mar-a-Lago, among Trump's many other properties and businesses.

    Parent
    visa difference (none / 0) (#79)
    by linea on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 07:57:11 PM EST
    h1b requires a bachelor's degree or higher (or be a fashion model) while h2b are seasonal non-agricultural workers.

    Don't forget H1B foreigners displacing American workers, such as at Disney.

    you mean h2b.

    Parent

    I bet its both (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by jmacWA on Fri Mar 31, 2017 at 05:35:42 AM EST
    H1B and H2B

    Parent
    probably true (none / 0) (#81)
    by linea on Fri Mar 31, 2017 at 07:38:21 PM EST
    Winger myths (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:51:23 PM EST
    Always good for a chuckle.

    Parent
    Exactly (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:38:34 AM EST
    The rise in mortality rates for working class whites appears to be rooted equally in poor job opportunities and social dysfunction - which explains the anger that under-educated white voters carried with them into the 2016 presidential election. And this anger is what propelled Trump into the White House.


    Lashing (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:49:39 AM EST
    out in anger inevitably ends up with bad if not disastrous consequences.

    Parent
    After they shot themselves (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    ...in the foot by electing Tr*mp, gangrene set in, because they didn't have adequate medical care, by their own choice.

    Parent
    The problem (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 11:16:52 AM EST
    is they fell for a con in their desperation and blamed others. Neither of those are a solution to their problems.

    Parent
    et al (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 03:34:04 PM EST
    The market is up, regulations down. Jobs that actually PAY are increasing.

    Looks positive to me.

    Then again the whole thing could just be psycho babble.

    Pay is not increasing. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 04:28:24 PM EST
    And the market spent 8 days going down. Trump is still crazy and disliked by the majority of Americans. The weakest president ever in the history of the country.

    Parent
    GA, the market went on a 4 month runup (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:38:21 PM EST
    so it was ready for what is known as "profit taking."

    Went up 150 today.

    Who knows what it will do tomorrow. And don't look now but that weakest President is rapidly keeping promises and deep sixing Obama's EO's.

    Parent

    I'm laughing (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:54:26 PM EST
    because this was all predicted. It's going to go up and down until it finally settles down because Trump is unstable and markets do not like instability.

    Parent
    So, since it is going to settle down..... (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 07:22:23 AM EST
    I assume you have hocked the family jewels and shorted the market....

    I mean if you actually believe what you write.....

    Parent

    Weak means (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:56:15 PM EST
    he doesn't have the consent of the country to do what he's doing not that he can't do it but that he is going to end up paying dearly for what he is doing. You can't govern without the consent of the governed and the governed are not giving him their consent which is backed up by his abysmal support numbers.

    Parent
    GA, if you believe the stock market is going down (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 31, 2017 at 08:00:41 PM EST
    you should short the market.

    I mean you could become seriously rich.

    Why are you waiting?


    Parent

    "Rapidly keeping promises" -heh (none / 0) (#46)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:57:28 PM EST
    You mean easy executive orders?  How's that "easy" healthcare reform going?  I believe the promise was coverage for everyone at a fraction of the cost.  Or that wall that Mexico is going to pay for?  Why, his approval rating must be soaring into the 60s or 70s by now, huh?

    Heh, heh ...

    Parent

    And purveyors of fake news ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Erehwon on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 06:38:19 PM EST
    continue to do so ...

    Parent
    All of those things were ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 06:58:20 PM EST
    ... already trending upward when the Cheetoh took office.  But fakes news and "alternative facts" make his supporters feel better.

    Parent
    Darwin (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 07:09:28 PM EST
    is driving

    that's not very nice (none / 0) (#16)
    by linea on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 07:55:11 PM EST
    but i suppose it's easier than trying to determine why working people and labourers are rejecting the democratic party.

    also i feel it's disparaging and unjustified to refer to high school graduates as "under-educated" as the author did. while the united states has an extemely high percentage of post-secondary graduates it is still not the norm and people with high school degrees are certainly not under-educated.

    that's how i feel.

    Parent

    Actually they (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:30:19 PM EST
    are under educated but it's because they have been lied to by the GOP for decades. They've been telling them that they are entitled to jobs because of the color of their skin and anybody who has darker skin that they do is taking a job that they are entitled to. So they have been expecting the GOP to deliver these magical jobs for years when the GOP never had any such intention.

    The GOP never told them the truth that you have to find a skill. I remember Bill Clinton promoting journeymen programs like they have in Europe in the 90's and conservatives scoffed at that. It's actually a pretty good idea for some people to learn on the job instead of in school.

    Parent

    i thought we were talking about lifespan (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:47:31 PM EST
    IMO they are not dying because they are not upwardly mobile.  they are dying because they commonly have terrible diets of fast food and soda and are much more likely to smoke cigarettes.  these are my people.  take awalk through a walmart.  i was in one this morning.  there was a morbidly fat woman sitting outside on one of those fat scooters smoking a cigarette.

    education has to do with all of this, true enough.  ard its also true republicans have worked earnestly for many decades to destroy the public education system.  because the ignorant are more easily manipulated.  another reason this is their base.

    bigger picture, Darwin is driving.  which btw is what i think.  not what i "feel"

    Parent

    Love this typo (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:41:49 PM EST
    J says US News says, "The morality rate among under-educated whites in America is rising, which explains why so many voted for Trump." I am very sure that whatever may be happening with their mortality, the morality rate is not "rising." If it was, it would not explain voting for the p*ssy-grabber.

    Parent
    thanks Peter (none / 0) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 01:49:08 AM EST
    I fixed it. (I didn't even catch it when proofreading.)

    Parent
    she also eating (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:50:15 PM EST
    what appeared to be one of those enlarged BigMacs

    Parent
    It's called a Gran Mac (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:02:08 PM EST
    You know, Big Mac's and Gran Mac's have horrid beef in them, I know. But when I have to have a fast food burger, at least the Big Mac has other stuff too.

    I felt free to indulge a Big Mac once in a while when I learned they have just about 500 calories.  I do watch my weight and count calories.  So, 500 calories, ain't bad.

    But you must, must, must leave the fries behind.  No protein and lots of sugar, salt and fat--the bad kind.

    We should have another thread on food, etc.

    Parent

    they should call it a Royal American (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:06:34 PM EST
    in this neck of the woods diet is neatly linked to lifespan.  

    Parent
    Diet is key to much (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:14:29 PM EST
    I have decided to give up beef for the most part....

    Tuna, chicken, low fat mozzarella, non fat milk--all good sources of protein.

    Healthy diets could solve much.  I keep learning new stuff all the time, like Chia seeds.  Supposedly almost like a miracle food.  But I have trouble with the jelly like texture they take on when moist. Ick.

    Parent

    my point is (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:21:00 PM EST
    the group being discussed almost literally live on fast food.  you can eat it sometimes but not all the time.  and if anything is cooked at home its fryed.  usually deep fryed.  and soda is the new water.  watch Idiocracy. "you mean like in the toilet is happening.

    just so you know im not attacking but reporting take my sisters house.  all the dietary stuff i said.  plus they have always had a second refrigerator full of an assortment of soda.  no diet soda please.  and a 3  

    Parent

    sorry (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:28:08 PM EST
    not sure how that happemed

    delete this

    Parent

    Oh yeah, I totally agree (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:30:15 PM EST
    Our bodies are amazing and can process out a certain amount of poison, but not a steady tidal wave of sludge.

    Just making slight changes in a diet could be really helpful....

    Mayor Bloomberg was on to something with those huge sugary drinks.....lots of calories, no nutritional value.....but can't make people eat good food.

    We know so much more know about the food we eat.....People just have to be willing to adapt.

    You can have a cheat meal once a week with Chicken Fried Steak or sour cream and molasses on a biscuit, and knowing that you can have a little bit of the bad stuff can help with food discipline the rest of the time, I think.

    KFC chicken is a good example of adapting ....The word fried has been banned....and I think all their chicken is either grilled or baked now (I hope.)

    Parent

    Nobody has vegetable gardens down there? (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:15:03 PM EST
    I tried because we eat a lot of (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 10:30:01 PM EST
    Tomatoes and chilies. My husband loves making homemade pico. But anthracnose is a big problem here. It stunts the tomatoes and peppers awful. It's a lot of work prepping the soil and then you can still end up with a very poor crop. So I gave up.

    Did have success with okra, and man you can grow some arugula here. Mine went wild, all over the yard. Grew some white radish for kimchi this past year, but we experienced a drought and the deer ate my radishes. Which was okay, they needed them more than I did.

    Not sure what the peanut farmers here will do with climate change. We looked at the Pentagon climate change study before moving here many years ago and it predicted this portion of the South would become a lot drier. It's hard to fathom how that impacts a place though until you are there. The peanuts need a lot of rain. It didn't happen last year, and this spring is very dry again. If this becomes a new normal, agriculture will have to change here.

    Moving near Zorba soon, she grows everything. Can't wait.

    Parent

    my point is (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:24:05 PM EST
    the group being discussed almost literally live on fast food.  you can eat it sometimes but not all the time.  and if anything is cooked at home its fryed.  usually deep fryed.  and soda is the new water.  watch Idiocracy. "you mean like in the toilet" is happening.

    just so you know im not attacking but reporting take my sisters house.  all the dietary stuff i said.  plus they have always had a second refrigerator full of an assortment of soda.  no diet soda please.  and a 30 gallon can by the back door to collect the empties.

    everyone - everyone - in my sisters family is morbidly fat.  not overweight.  dangerously overweight.  my siser is currently dying slowly from a lifetime of terrible eating habits.

    Parent

    It's kind of crazy to think (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:54:44 PM EST
    that the diet of dirt poor rural folk 150 years ago, with their poke salad and groundhogs and occasional venison, was probably much healthier than what some folks in that neck of the woods eat today.

    Parent
    i think thats true (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 11:14:23 AM EST
    sort of hillbilly paleo.  i saw an old couple the other day.  they were both skinny as a rail and about 100 years old.  and i realized you see this pretty often.  a very old skinny couple.  not that many fat old couples.  not that many fat old people for that matter.

    but i was thinking about this and i think what you are seeing in many cases is an old couple who probably have very little money so they dont eat out.  and dont smoke cigarettes because thats gotten really expensive.   they most likely do grow and produce a lot of their own food.  

    Parent

    Hillbilly paleo would probably (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 03:51:51 PM EST
    make a good cookbook.

    Now there's a project for you.

    Here comes Granny with a snicker
    and a grin
    Here comes Granny with a snicker
    and a grin
    Groundhog gravy drippin' off her
    chin
    Oh, groundhog..

    Parent

    MKS, good for you. (none / 0) (#83)
    by fishcamp on Sat Apr 01, 2017 at 09:05:10 AM EST
    I gave up red meat and sugar over 50 years ago.  Of course we get sugar in most everything we buy that's packaged.  There was no unbelievable change when I quit.  My cholesterol did go way down from no beef fat.  When you stop adding sugar to food, your body weight seems to shift back to the places it belongs, as in away from your belly.  Sometimes it is difficult to resist deserts, but one bite is all I need.  

    McDonald's restaurants, and others like them, were invented after I moved to Aspen in 1959,, and we had none of them, so I've never had a Big Mac, or even been to one of those places, ever.  I eat what I catch.  Now that you've given up meat and news, what's next?

    Parent

    mcdonalds (none / 0) (#84)
    by linea on Sat Apr 01, 2017 at 02:21:58 PM EST
    I've never had a Big Mac

    filet-o-fish is good

    Parent

    Recommended reading: (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:13:09 PM EST
    Lisa Napoli's " Ray and Joan."  About Ray Croc and his second wife/widow.

    Parent
    Yeah, I see (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:15:10 PM EST
    that A LOT at the local Wal-Mart. I also see Hispanics only buying "real" food. I like to look in people's carts. What can I say?

    I do have to say I know people who do know nutrition but think it's too much trouble or would rather just gorge themselves on sugar and junk.

    Parent

    when (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:26:29 PM EST
    know nutrition but think it's too much trouble or would rather just gorge themselves on sugar and junk.

    that is literally Dawwin at work.

    Parent

    Lean Mexican fast food (none / 0) (#34)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:34:42 PM EST
    is a big deal here.   No lard.  Not much cheese, either.  Fish tacos, grilled chicken, etc.

    Parent
    to the subject of the post (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:40:28 PM EST
    in my experience middle aged (white) men and older are the very last think about or even care about lean food.  

    then they smoke a ciggarette

    Parent

    Being stuck in the past, (none / 0) (#38)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:46:26 PM EST
    I suppose, in more ways than one.  Sad.  But very fixable.

    Parent
    sadly (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:49:25 PM EST
    i think the "fix" for this is the same as the fix for our politics.  attrition.

    Parent
    What is so ironic (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:57:24 PM EST
    is that all these folks who are so proud to be American eschew perhaps the most American trait of them all--the ability to adapt and strike out on a new direction with optimism.

    Parent
    Not much inspiration (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 11:00:45 PM EST
    to strike out in new directions when you're living in the End Times.

    Parent
    People die, Corporations don't (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 08:14:37 AM EST
    So the profit motive will continue to edumacate people to act against their self interest.

    Parent
    I have to say (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:58:20 PM EST
    lard has made a comeback here with all the Guatemalan communities we have. It was something that I saw as a child in the south and then it went away and the Hispanic community has brought it back to grocery store shelves.

    Parent
    "Guatemala" (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:01:51 PM EST
    Really?  I used to live there. And they are in Georgia?  With lard?  Hmm, trying to remember.  Lots of cilantro and fried platanos.  Black beans.  Horrid chicken parts.

    Parent
    So I am told (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:26:35 PM EST
    by my son who worked landscaping and the teachers at the schools. Apparently Guatemalans are really short and that is how you know they are from Guatemala vs. Mexico. However the ones here seem to largely have adapted into the prevailing Hispanic culture which is Mexican here in GA from what I see them buying at Wal-Mart. However my visit to the Hispanic grocery store did see chicken feet for sale behind the butcher's counter. The Hispanic grocery stores are popular with the non immigrant obsessed because they have great meat for barbecues.

    Parent
    Lard and butter (none / 0) (#59)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 08:16:25 AM EST
    Instead of Crisco and margarine. Seems healthier to me, actually. Just don't overdo it.

    Parent
    Well (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 08:28:03 AM EST
    lard and butter are natural where the others are basically chemicals.

    Parent
    Yes, they cook from scratch (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 12:12:55 PM EST
    Not much packaging in their carts.

    Parent
    Yes, I see that all over here (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 12:03:14 PM EST
    Caring about your diet is socially shunned here. Much different from growing up out West. But Colorado is one of the most physically fit states.

    Just odd, my grandfather got type 2 diabetes in the late 80's. My Colorado family understood we were probably genetically predisposed even way back then. I haven't had sugar soda since I was 23. But many people out West began getting rid of most sugar then. Eating sugar is a splurge even in my 2nd and 3rd cousins out West who don't share my genetic predisposition.

    Here, if anyone suggests maybe less sugar and not putting everything into the deep fryer, that socially equates to someone trying to take away your rights and make your life joyless.

    I like good food. When eating crap food becomes one of the only joys in my life, something in my life is fundamentally wrong.

    And a lot of people in a bizarre denial about human fraility.

    Parent

    actually (none / 0) (#19)
    by linea on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 08:48:09 PM EST
    They've been telling them that they are entitled to jobs because of the color of their skin and anybody who has darker skin that they do is taking a job that they are entitled to

    this is farcical.

    it's exactly like the contempuous republican stereotype of people who need social services. exactly like.

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    Good Grief, Charley GA (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 09:57:50 PM EST
    So they have been expecting the GOP to deliver these magical jobs for years when the GOP never had any such intention.

    And because of the GOP failure they elected a Republican President, gave the House and Senate to the Republicans and are just about to give the SC to the Repubs.

    I tell you GA, if the Republicans do any worse the Democratic Party will disappear due to lack of members.

    lol

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    Apart from the fact that ... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:48:01 PM EST
    ... your argument is irrelevant to the issue, you DO realize that in 2016, you Republicans

    LOST 2 seats in the Senate

    LOST 6 seats in the House

    LOST the presidential vote by 3 MILLION VOTES

    I tell ya what, Jim.  If you Republicans keep "winning" like this, and with a POTUS at 37% approval, the Republican Party will just die off -  like most of its members.

    "LOL!"

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    Jim (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:28:57 PM EST
    they've been lying to you for decades. You finally realized it and that's why you voted for Trump because he had no part in all that.

    The facts don't bear you out Jim. Republicans are dying off by the millions. It's what happens when your voting base is elderly.

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    And none (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 28, 2017 at 10:29:44 PM EST
    of what you are saying has anything to do with jobs.

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    GA, you brought the subject of jobs up (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 09:28:39 PM EST
    I just gave you a dose of sarcasm.

    But I see that it was wasted.

    You and your cohorts haven't still caught on. I, and millions like me, supported Trump because he wasn't a Republican nor was he a conservative.

    BTW - Some Obama ex-employee is busy telling all on MSNBC......  felonies are a foot!

    '

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    Yes, Jim (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 29, 2017 at 09:40:15 PM EST
    I'm glad that you are finally accepting the fact that the GOP has been fleecing you for decades.

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    The only "felonies afoot" (1.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Yman on Thu Mar 30, 2017 at 01:41:47 AM EST
    ... are the tinfoil conspirators dreamed of by Trumpers and their Orange Julius.

    But the "voted for Trump because he's not a Republican" was pretty funny, considering you spent several decades voting for Republicans before him.  Not to mention the fact that he was the Republican candidate.

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