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Stephen Miller's great-grandfather flunked his citizenship test. Check out #Resistance Genealogy. "Unless your ancestors came on a slave ship or you’re Native American,” you came here as an immigrant, says Jennifer Mendelsohn, who created the #resistancegenealogy hashtag last summer".

More on Miller here.

The Sheriff in El Paso County, TX has refused to allow deputies working overtime to work at temporary shelters housing migrant children:

The El Paso County sheriff prohibited his deputies from working off-duty at a temporary shelter housing migrant children, saying he refused to support the Trump administration’s “unjust” policy of separating families at the border.

[More...]

Sheriff Richard Wiles received a phone call on Friday from a local Department of Homeland Security representative asking if his deputies could work off-duty at the shelter site, a tent city about 20 miles east of El Paso at the Tornillo-Marcelino Serna port of entry. The camp was housing migrant children who entered the country unaccompanied but expected to receive children who were forcibly separated from their families, Wiles said in an interview with The Washington Post.

Via the Wall St. Journal: Here's the contracts awarded to non-profits and companies to house immigrant children in the months prior to Trump and Sessions' "Zero Tolerance" policy.

Update: If you can't access the WSJ article (I was able to although not a subscriber), here's a Daily Beast article on the contracts (h/t MT)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Sometimes lost (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 02:00:16 PM EST
    in the financial filings of Ivanka and Jared (at least $82 million) for last year, was the financial disclosure of John Bolton indicating his income for last year was $2.2 million, including $569,000 from FOX news, $240,000 from the conservative American Enterprise Institute, $155,000 as chair of the Gatestone Institute, a group that raises fears about Muslims in Europe (many claims have been debunked), $165,000 from the Counter Extremism Project, and $747,000 from speaking fees---$115,000 from the Ukranian steel magnate, Viktor Pinchuk, and $118,000 from speaking at the Deutsche Bank ($72,000) and HSBC ($46,000).  

    A busy guy, a lucrative gig.  But, then what about Hillary's emails and her speeches, as a private citizen, to banks.  

    Husband and I just admitted to each (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:47:10 PM EST
    Other that our first thought when we saw the photo of Melania and the coat was that someone had written something on Melania's back and she wasn't smart enough to know or even suspect.

    Not sure what that says about us other than we aren't good people

    Well, maybe (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 03:55:54 PM EST
    better than this on the back of her jacket.

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    Ezra tweeted that he hoped Melania (5.00 / 4) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 04:28:49 PM EST
    Writes a tell all, he can't decipher her intentions in wearing the jacket.  Sigh....double sigh....triple sigh. If Hillary had worn that jacket ever Ezra would have roasted her alive.

    Men are really pi$$ing me off

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    Armando's (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:43:23 AM EST
    name for them is "stupid bro". Their best talent seems to be screwing things up for Democrats.

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    Two (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 12:16:15 PM EST
    words for sister Sarah womp, womp
    Sanders said she was told by the owner of The Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, that she had to "leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left."

    Sanders said the event said far more about the owner of the restaurant than it did about her.

    "I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so," Sanders said in the tweet from her official account, which generated 22,000 replies in about an hour.

    It's so unfair, just because her day job is telling monstrous lies in defense of monsters she shouldn't be treated as a monster during her personal time, the left is just so intolerant.

    Rev Huckabee, what a (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:55:44 PM EST
    Dad.  Says Mrs. Pelosi's advisors are MS 15.  Monsters all.

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    Corey (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 05:24:23 AM EST
    "boom boom" Lewandowski is back in the game!  
    as Trump holds campaign rally-style events before the midterms, Lewandowski was in tow for a trip to Vegas, even riding aboard Air Force One.

    His his impressive double slap-shot (immigrant, disabled) the other night has reminded the deplorables what an accomplished monster he is
    As the New York Times reported, Lewandowski received a "hero's welcome" in Vegas.


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    This seems like the flip side (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 02:47:05 PM EST
    Of the wedding cake nonsense

    I always thought that was misguided and I think this supports that.  I am happy to shop for a willing baker if it means that lying harpy and her entourage can be kicked out of a restaurant "just because"


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    But, Huckabee Sander's (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 03:53:14 PM EST
    political job is not a "protected class".  She is in the same category of "no shoes, no service."  A shop keeper can refuse service, unless it is based on race, religion age, gender, sexual orientation, as may be set forth in federal, state, or local laws/ordinances.  Although, she could make a case, perhaps, that she is a protected class based on her religion of which lying is a fundamental part (e.g., Evangelicals, Mormon--lying for the Lord).

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    Well SLATE said this (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 04:03:10 PM EST
    the Virginia restaurant "apparently... didn't want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction."

    That sounds a lot like what the bible thumping baker said.  And I like the sound of it being thrown back in her face.

    And her class has been pretty protected.  But that seems to be ebbing.  At least for restaurants and selfies

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    I'm with you (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:41:49 AM EST
    It is the flip side and I have had an awesome time kicking sand in the eyes of conservatives over this. Over and over they have claimed "moral" exemptions to this or that. Now that it has happened to them boy are they whining. I'm laughing my behind off.

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    A Harpy can single-handedly ruin Easter. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 10:54:12 PM EST
    LINK. (I'm sorry, I just couldn't restrain myself. I'm a terrible person.)

    ;-D

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    Did you hear the one about (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 12:42:13 PM EST
    Paul Ryan asking Seth Rogen for a selfie?

    "My whole body puckered, as it were. I tensed up. And I didn't know what to do!" Rogen explained. After Ryan shook the actor's hand and requested a picture, Rogen said, "No way, man!" before proceeding absolutely drag Ryan in front of his kids.

    "...I couldn't stop," Rogen told Colbert. "I said, 'Furthermore, I hate what you're doing with the country at this moment, and I'm counting the days till you no longer have one iota of the power that you currently have.'"



    Saw it last night. (none / 0) (#84)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:03:51 PM EST
    Not a big fan of Rogen (probably the constant snickerin) but that was great.

    The Scaramucci story was just as good.

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    Along with FLJoes comment above (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:44:32 PM EST
    it appears the gloves are coming off for these a-holes in ways they are not used to.

    I see more in their future.

    As if there was not enough to be depressed and anxious about I thought today I would spend some time reminding myself, because let's face it-being bombarded daily with Trump/Kim man crush photos can have a numbing effect on the best of us, what The Kim personality cult really is.

    It's easy.  Search "horrors of North Korea"

    I am now feeling a little sick to my stomach.  This is "our presidents" new BFF.  

    I don't recommend it without a drink.  But it's good to remember what and who we are now.

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    They need to learn... (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 02:30:37 PM EST
    that there is no place in civilized society for them.

    North Koren real estate

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    There's nobody there I want to see... (5.00 / 5) (#90)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 02:05:53 PM EST
    Hall of Fame outfielder Hank Aaron said Friday that he supports athletes who use their platform to speak about social and political issues, adding that he would not visit the White House today if he were part of a championship-winning team.

    "There's nobody there I want to see," Aaron said at a ceremony for the "Hank Aaron Champion for Justice Awards" in Atlanta, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

    Still hammerin'


    Still hammerin' and (5.00 / 4) (#98)
    by Towanda on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 06:19:22 PM EST
    still fighting for civil rights. He did so quietly, here in the city where he made baseball history, too -- the city known in the '60s as th Selma of the North. So his activism is not well-known . . . among whites. But the beloved people in the movement know.

    So do my students, when I gave them the exercise of researching in the archives on my campus. It has a lot of the hate mail that he and media received.

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    OMFG (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:43:35 AM EST
    Maher explains to the right (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 03:09:28 PM EST
    Why a recession is worth it if it gets rid of Trump

    Bill Maher: "A Recession Is A Survivable Event, What Trump Is Doing To This Country Is Not"

    The show this week was good.  The segment on Melanias "other jackets" was great.  As was the segment on the psychedelics researcher

    I agree with every word of the recession bit.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#138)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 09:37:08 AM EST
    Among his best shows. Also, his calling for never Trump's to make a decision..
    Which Steve Schmidt did. Josh Barro said he became a Democrat..a little late  two years ago.  That independent radio host guy was pathetic...Michael S
    And. What is with that NRA rapper spokesman.

     

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    More mealy mouthed, spinelessness from Democrats. (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 10:38:56 AM EST
    All this panty wringing over Maxine Waters. I SUPPORT MAXINE WATERS.

    Boo hoo hoo. Democrats moaning about incivility need to go back and read everything Cadet Bone Spurs ever said or tweeted. Civility in public discourse went out the window the day he declared his candidacy in proclaiming all Mexicans coming into the the US were "rapists."

    This administration is the poster child for incivility. They need to be shamed. At home, at dinner, while driving, while traveling. Anywhere one of these cretins in encountered is a good place to protest. A good place to shame them for the policies put forth by the Administration they CHOOSE to work for. Don't like the heat, get out.


    It's an interesting thing (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 11:13:35 AM EST
    For me it's like a tiny light at the end of the tunnel.  To faint to tell if it's the end of the tunnel or an approaching train.

    But clearly, something is coming.

    It looks like after watching liberals and progressives get their lunch money taken with a wedgie for good measure ever since we first heard the word "tea party" liberals have decided to punch back.

    I think it's a generational thing.  Even if you and I and a few others have been saying for years.

    Heard a republican strategist this morning comparing what's happening here with what has been happening in the UK.  There was the whole populist Brexit thing happened then they turned someone who only a few years ago was considered far too liberal.

    She said republicans saying a surge to the left is just what they want should be careful what they wish for

    I completely agree.  The surge that is coming is not just a big D Demcratic one but a progressive one.

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    It (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 11:28:26 AM EST
    seems like the whole concept of righteous anger has been forgotten. If you aren't angry about children being ripped out of their mother's arms then you ain't human. If you fail to confront these monsters if and when you get a chance then you might as well be one of them.

    The reluctant(normally civil) hero confronting the tyrant is one of the enduring archetypes of the human saga. To condemn them is an utter abdication of one's humanity.

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    U.S. Rep. Joe Crowley (D-NY) was ... (none / 0) (#189)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 01:58:47 PM EST
    ... ousted in yesterday's Democratic primary. Pundits who heretofore weren't paying any attention are calling it a real stunner, but from my perspective, the only mild surprise was the actual margin of his defeat.

    House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi says that Crowley's loss in a closed state primary is actually a sign of the Democratic Party's vitality, which its leaders ought to embrace. She's absolutely right.

    Now we'll see if Pelosi actually heeds her own advice. My bet is that she will. This is a leader who knows how to count votes, and she's far more adept at riding the political winds and tides than many people ever give her credit for being.

    Aloha.

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    Crowley's defeat should not (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 02:47:48 PM EST
    surprise anyone who knows anything about his district. That district is predominantly latin-x. Crowley is a middle-aged white guy who could not be bothered to adequately staff constituent services.

     He was an old time machine politician who was out of touch with his district. The only real surprise is that it took this long for someone to challenge him in a primary.

    He lost to an energetic, smart Latina who ran a grassroots campaign that depended on actually talking with the people in that district.

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    Crowley seemed pretty surprised (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 04:23:14 PM EST
    Crowley was clueless, maybe arrogant. (none / 0) (#192)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 07:03:58 PM EST
    He did not even bother to personally show up at the debate he had scheduled with Ocasio-Cortes. He sent a surrogate. He completely misread his district and the competition.

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    Clearly (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 07:10:27 PM EST
    But it had worked for 10 terms.  I think the warning for others is clear

    This year is not like the other ones.

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    I'm unable to access that WSJ article. (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 01:29:37 PM EST
    They want money.

    I can't access it either (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 01:38:57 PM EST
    But here is an article naming a few

    Prepare yourself

    Defense Contractors

    Parent

    sorry, the whole article came up for me (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 02:01:01 PM EST
    so I thought it was one of their freebies. I don't subscribe to the journal. Try clearing your cookies and see if that helps.

    Parent
    If you look closely at your (none / 0) (#194)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jun 28, 2018 at 07:28:28 AM EST
    list of cookies you can find the WSJ and WaPo and just dump those cookies.  When I dump all my cookies I have to go to my stored list of passwords to re-do many of them.  That cuts into my fishing time.

    Parent
    Thank you Jeralyn (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 01:30:45 PM EST
    Was just trying to find a list of the contractors and the awarded contracts.

    Looks like this was all planned last fall.

    Exactly. This has been planned for a while. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 02:15:37 PM EST
    Not just a whim.

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    I can't take it (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 02:32:43 PM EST
    Time for a TV comment

    CINEMAX has been doing some good stuff.  RELLIK was good.  So was C.B. STRIKE.  The series based on the J.K. Rowling defective series written under the name Robert Galbraith.  The first, Cuckoos Calling, was very good.  At least 2 more coming.

    They are currently running the first season of OUTCAST in advance of the second season.  It's very very good.

    This fall George R. R. Martin's NIGHTFLYERS starts on Syfy.

    USAs COLONY has a second season that's also good.


    The second installment (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:41:44 PM EST
    Of the C.B. Strike series starts tonight.

    Also a second season of SINNER is coming soon.  The last season was excellent.  New story

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    At Trump's rally (none / 0) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 03:07:18 PM EST
    in Duluth, he announced that he is "re-opening NASA", and that we're going to space.  To which the adoring crowd burst into chants of Space Force, Space Force.

    Of course, NASA never closed, and then there is that going to space part.  If Trump said he wants to be the first president to put a man on the Sun, his crowds would give the same chant.

    I sometimes believe these people are like the villagers in the dark paintings of Goya, especially, the Blind Guitarist, where the villagers are dancing to the discordant music of the blind and mad guitarist.

    I thought I had learned in law school (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peter G on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 03:36:05 PM EST
    that outer space is designated a permanent weapons-free zone, per United Nations resolutions to which the United States is a party. If so, creating a Space Force under the Department of Defense would be a violation of international law. I must be wrong. That was a long time ago. Haven't tried to go look this up, admittedly.

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    There is (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 03:50:05 PM EST
    the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, ratified by the US Senate and signed by 107 countries, that limits space to peaceful purposes, prohibits militarization, and prohibits use of space for nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction. While it takes 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty, I am not sure if a president can break a treaty unilaterally.  

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 03:51:49 PM EST
    My (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 04:43:35 PM EST
    understanding is that there is no specific ban on conventional weapons and it was widely assumed that all spacefaring nations have done at least some testing of weapons. The Chinese actually destroyed a satellite with ground based missile years ago. Everybody has at least that capability.

    The X-37 shuttles have spent years in orbit doing highly secret stuff, I'm sure some of it is weapons related.

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    Are you near Cape Canaveral? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 09:24:03 PM EST
    You seem to know a bit about all this :)

    We are traveling with an exceptional student from Poland to Cape Canaveral in August. He's very gifted, a likely future engineer. It is his dream to visit.

    Parent

    About (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 04:42:11 AM EST
    40 miles south of KSC, It is definitely a must see for science nerds.


    Parent
    I think a great use of nuclear technology (none / 0) (#14)
    by McBain on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 06:37:01 PM EST
    would be for some kind of propulsion system like the famous Project Orion. I don't think that should be classified as a weapon.    

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    NASA didn't close (none / 0) (#13)
    by McBain on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 06:27:48 PM EST
    but it hasn't really captured in the imagination of the masses since the Apollo program or at least the early days of the Voyager missions.  

    I don't know what the Trump administration will do but I'd really like to see us put a man on Mars in my lifetime. Time to take some risks.

    Parent

    I'd rather spend the money (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 07:14:28 PM EST
    on Medicare for all.

    Parent
    Come on (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 07:35:35 PM EST

    Project Orion, a massive, nuclear-powered spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft.

    What could go wrong?

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    Plus (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 07:53:42 PM EST
    There are lots of things NASA could be doing with its money besides "putting a man on mars" which actually sounds like the kind of pointless PR stunt Trumpwoukd go for.

    The Webb telescope was supposed to launch this year but it's delayed again

    IFLScience

    It's no secret that the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) is massively delayed and way over budget. But now we're seeing the impact it's really having on other astronomy missions.

    In a short statement last week, NASA said it would "narrow the scope" of its next big flagship astronomy mission, due to launch in the 2030s and known as the 2020 Decadal Survey mission. At the moment there are four proposals being considered for this mission.

    NASA said it would introduce a cost cap for the proposed missions of between $3 billion and $5 billion, due to "recent delays and budget constraints" with its current two major flagship missions. These are the JWST and Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope (WFIRST), an infrared space observatory that faces being canceled by the Trump administration.

    The James Webb Space Telescope (also known as Webb or JWST) will be NASA's premier observatory of the next decade, serving thousands of astronomers worldwide. It will study every phase in the history of our Universe, ranging from the first luminous glows after the Big Bang, to the formation of solar systems

    NASA

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    Chapelle... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 10:00:03 PM EST
    Ready for your AA meeting? (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:57:38 AM EST
    Reruns. :( (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 02:37:05 PM EST
    Huh? (none / 0) (#26)
    by linea on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 10:24:50 PM EST
    I've been championing `Medicare for All' since I started posting on TalkLeft and I'm either ignored or one of the usual suspects calls me a Berniebro and finds some petty issue to nitpick and berate me over.

    Parent
    Such are the trials and tribulations of being a (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by vml68 on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:19:35 AM EST
    trailblazer. Sometimes people steal your ideas and don't give you credit. None of us had thought of the concept of Medicare for all till you came along ;-)!

    Parent
    I KNEWI should've ... (5.00 / 7) (#33)
    by Yman on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 09:20:55 AM EST
    ... trademarked my whole "Social Security" idea ...

    Parent
    Mars.. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 08:04:56 PM EST
    They could rename it The Angry Red State Planet.

    Parent
    Croatia certainly had their World Cup (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 09:00:46 PM EST
    mojo working today..

    Knowing my Serbian relatives, they were all rooting for Argentina, whose goal keeper may be applying for Russian citizenship about now.

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    Missed it all (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 09:27:42 PM EST
    Check out the highlights (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 09:37:04 PM EST
    to see what I mean about Argentina's keeper. Poor guy may have to go into hiding down there like Eichmann.

    They take that kind of thing a little too seriously in parts of South America.

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    The life of a keeper (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 10:29:36 PM EST
    So much adrenaline, all the best endorphins...better than Trumps, such cool outfit possibilities (peacocks have nothing on them), and it might all in the end be worth 2 cents forever. The whole world can identify you :)

    I'll watch tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up to make time to watch it.

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    Bump this to 35 seconds (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:56:14 AM EST
    I don't follow sports (none / 0) (#25)
    by linea on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 10:10:42 PM EST
    But if I was invited to a game, I would pick Serbia over Croatia. But I've never been to either country. No idea why an Argentinian goal keeper would apply for Russian citizenship.


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    I was mostly joking about him (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 11:33:52 PM EST
    seeking Russian citizenship. The World Cup is being played in Russia.  What I was trying to convey is that he made costly blunder in a World Cup game and that Argentinian football fans aren't known for being particularly forgiving about that kind of thing.

    Parent
    Thank you (none / 0) (#66)
    by linea on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:04:26 PM EST
    Why do sports orgs keep giving Russia venue for games?

    Russia sucks and sports facilities that Russia builds sucks. No Russia, it's not a good idea to have sewage pipes so tiny that you need to put your tee-pee in a waste bin rather than flushing.

    Funny about the World Cup, in most countries it's serious party time. Here in Seattle it's mostly ignored. But we have been ramping-up for Pride Fest all week. It is seriously more mega than any other event in this city.

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    World Cup interest is low (none / 0) (#87)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:47:49 PM EST
    all over the USA because our men's national team did not qualify for this year's WC. I guarantee there would be a great deal of interest in Seattle, and across the land, if the US Men's National team was in the hunt this year.

    We Americans are not so much fans of soccer, or futbol as some of us call it, as we are fans of winning US teams.

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    I was surprised and disappointed to see (none / 0) (#103)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 09:33:38 PM EST
    that the games are not being rebroadcast on any station in prime time, U.S.

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    Captured imagination (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2018 at 09:26:49 PM EST
    I never understand why Conservatives always need their imaginations captured :) It's like they are afraid to have one they must rule over for themselves.

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    ... that NASA can do in the immediate future for the betterment of our country and mankind, such as what was suggested earlier with the James Webb Telescope Project.

    Sending a manned mission to Mars ain't one of 'em. Rather, that's a vanity program which would redirect valuable fiscal resources away from otherwise much more worthy projects.

    I would suggest that one such worthy project might be the retrieval of all those obsolete satellites and other man-made junk that are both currently floating uncontrollably above our planet and occasionally plunging back to earth.

    I mean, why wait until we've created an orbiting equivalent of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch before finally and belatedly acting?

    Aloha.

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    The (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 04:39:44 PM EST
    most vital mission of NASA is Earth sciences, so of course the monster cuts them.

    Parent
    Exactly. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:03:10 PM EST
    There is so much that we can learn about our own world through our studies of the earth from the perspective of planetary orbit. If we're to explore other planets, let's continue to do so through the use of unmanned vehicles. There's no practical purpose whatsoever to be served at present, by plunging into a program to launch human beings into the outer reaches of our solar system.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:21:12 PM EST
    but I would word it as we must learn. Global warming, resource depletion and many other environmental time bombs can not be addressed without much more knowledge about our planet.  

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    But to achieve that, we MUST ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:37:56 PM EST
    ... first start electing and appointing public officials who take seriously the pursuit of scientific knowledge and prioritize it thusly, rather than reduce it to a mere discretionary socio-political choice.

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    Good (none / 0) (#49)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:54:45 PM EST
    luck putting that on a bumper sticker.

    Parent
    Okay, as you wish. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:01:34 PM EST
    FlJoe: "Good luck putting that on a bumper sticker."

    • "Too Stupid for SCIENCE? Try RELIGION."

    • "What's cool in a lab is a felony in your garage."

    • "Pssst! Hey! Got any science?"

    • "#science"

    • "On the 7th day, God created SCIENCE to offset your ignorance."

    • "TeAcHEr - Tellunium Actinium Hydrogen Erbium"

    • "SCIENCE: Offer not valid in Kansas and Oklahoma."

    ;-D

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    I have a purple t-shirt that says (none / 0) (#64)
    by leap on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 09:47:18 PM EST
    "SCIENCE - because you don't figure out $h!t by praying"

    Parent
    From the Jurassic World link below (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:58:07 PM EST

    televised Senate briefings, a BBC news crawl includes, "US president questions the existence of dinosaurs in the first place"


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    A manned mission would be great for the country (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by McBain on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:41:51 PM EST
    and great for the entire planet.  It would bring people together, especially if it's an international effort.  It would inspire kids to do well in school so they could astronauts, engineers, scientists...

    Funding is a problem but this would be something I'd like my taxes to go to.  

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    Well, I don't want my taxes spent on that. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 11:15:15 PM EST
    McBain: "A manned would be great for the country and great for the entire planet. It would bring people together, especially if it's an international effort.  It would inspire kids to do well in school so they could astronauts, engineers, scientists... Funding is a problem but this would be something I'd like my taxes to go to."

    You know, conservatives aren't the only ones in this country who are allowed to complain about wasting taxpayer dollars on frivolous enterprises of dubious socio-economic value. Suffice to say this isn't the 1960s anymore, and we're not racing the Soviet Union to the moon.

    You want to inspire students? Well, as a start, we have tens of thousands of overcrowded and underequipped classrooms in ill-maintained school facilities and underfunded districts all across this nation, in red and blue states alike. Re-dedicate yourself first toward efforts to ensure that they have a decent place to learn.

    And while you're at it, regularly attend your local school board meetings and demand that these students receive a good breakfast and hot lunch each school day, so that they enter the classroom ready to learn and aren't worried about where their next meal is coming from.

    Further, support the next school bond issue at the polls, so that the students' teachers are paid decent salaries by which they can support themselves and their own families, without having to moonlight on evenings and weekends standing behind the women's fragrance counter at the local Macy's, or pole-dancing at the Hubba-Hubba Gentlemen's Club way out by Exit No. 160 on the interstate turnpike.

    Because only when those students are not sitting hungry at a broken-down desk with a 35-year-old textbook and an underpaid and resentful instructor in an overcrowded classroom that's also likely overheated in September and freezing in February, will you then actually be able to inspire them about a prospective mission to Mars without having your words fall upon deaf ears.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Save that argument for someone else (none / 0) (#79)
    by McBain on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 10:12:58 AM EST
    My parents were teachers, a good friend of mine teaches high school.  You're not going to get rich in that profession but you can make a decent living.

    You want to inspire students? Well, as a start, we have tens of thousands of overcrowded and underequipped classrooms in ill-maintained school facilities and underfunded districts all across this nation, in red and blue states alike. Re-dedicate yourself first toward efforts to ensure that they have a decent place to learn.

    Kids will learn if they want to learn.  An incredibly exciting space exploration mission would do wonders.  

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    Gawd (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 10:36:28 AM EST
    Nothing inspired me more... (none / 0) (#85)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:28:29 PM EST
    then when President P-grabber proclaimed that "There's no place like space!"  So inspirational.

    Close the pod-bay door HAL, and throw away the key.

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    Wouldn't it be nice (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 04:10:29 PM EST
    If kids could get excited by the prospect of learning the origin of life, or the universe itself.  If they could get excited about finding answers to the most fundamental questions we face as a species?
    But I guess it would take an astro naught doing and end zone dance on Mars.  Which would accomplish exactly fu@king nothing beyond sucking up all the money that could be used for the former

    Sadly, it could be true.  Which is why we as doomed as a species

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    Accomplish nothing? (none / 0) (#99)
    by McBain on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 06:19:33 PM EST
    Besides the inspiration I talked about there would be all kinds of important discoveries and inventions, just like when we went to the moon.

    We will go to Mars someday, we'll just have to get past the negative thinking first.... like believing we're doomed as a species.

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    Let's do Medicare for all first (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 06:30:04 PM EST
    Then take a look at Mars.  It will be there for awhile.

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    Who needs the origins of (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 06:47:10 PM EST
    The universe when we can have Velcro.

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    Spinoffs without mars (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 06:53:29 PM EST
    The work performed on the JWST spun off into one of WaveFront Science's products called the Complete Ophthalmic Analysis System, or COAS. By incorporating the algorithms developed for JWST, COAS performed 21 times faster.

    A new laser vision product released in Europe can map the human eye more quickly and accurately for Lasik vision correction, thanks to the innovations made while constructing the JWST mirrors.
    Image courtesy of Abbott Medical Optics Inc.
    Designed for diagnosing eye conditions and providing a detailed map of the eye, COAS supports research in cataracts, keratoconus (an eye condition that causes reduced vision), and eye movement. "There are a number of researchers around the United States and the world using the product for vision research," says Neal.

    In 2007, Advanced Medical Optics acquired WaveFront Sciences--and with it, the improved COAS technology. Two years later, Advanced Medical Optics was acquired by Abbott Laboratories and renamed Abbott Medical Optics. Today, Abbott Medical Optics is a leading company of vision correction technology based in Santa Ana, California. The company recently released a new product in Europe, based in part on COAS, called the iDesign Advanced WaveScan Studio. The technology is a main component of Abbott's iLASIK laser vision correction solution.



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    Ground Control to Major Tom: (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 11:11:59 PM EST
    McBain: "Save that argument for someone else. My parents were teachers, a good friend of mine teaches high school. You're not going to get rich in that profession but you can make a decent living. Kids will learn if they want to learn.  An incredibly exciting space exploration mission would do wonders."

    Learn to pay your mortgage and utility bills first, before you book that first-class cruise to the Caribbean.

    In the meantime, beam me up, Scotty. There are no intelligent life forms to be found in White Male Privilegeland.

    :(

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    You're the one with his head in the clouds, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by McBain on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 10:20:09 AM EST
    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone would make this conversation about race. But it is disappointing.  

    Much of my interest in the space program comes from my dad's career as a science teacher.  He used to teach a model rocketry class where students would build and launch realistic-looking miniature rockets.  That was back in the 70s when the Apollo program was still fresh in people's minds.

    I'm not saying NASA hasn't done great things since then, but other than Voyager and a few other unmanned probes/rovers, there hasn't been much to get excited about.  

     

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    The standarad (5.00 / 5) (#114)
    by MKS on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 11:58:35 AM EST
    should not be what excites you.  

    Your assertion about being excited tends to affirm the criticism that going to Mars is just a vanity play.  You have not responded to my suggestion that we first take care of our health care issues.

    JFK ad LBJ created and funded the Moon program.  But LBJ also created Medicare and Medicaid.  When conservatives and libertarians stop trying to gut Obamacare and Social Security and cutting taxes for the wealthy, and fund health care for all, then we can look at programs that excite some people.

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    I don't agree that we should wait until we have (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by McBain on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 07:20:24 PM EST
    medicare for all but I respect that argument. I also respect the argument that sending people on that kind of mission would be to dangerous.  Again, I don't agree but understand.  

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    To me, this is a little like saying (none / 0) (#115)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM EST
    history has become boring because there hasn't been a major war recently..

    You'd have to be corpse not be astounded and inspired by those Hubble photos.

    We're dealing with a situation now in this country such that if we Did land on Mars, a third of the country would say it was Fake News! staged by crisis actors..

    This goes to the deeper problem of a lot of people in this country finding the information provided by science to be threatening in some way. Look at the way someone as innocuous as Neil deGrasse Tyson has attacked by The National Review and Fox News.

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    Scientists in general (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 12:24:15 PM EST
    have been given the Mark of the Beast in the last decade or so because the overwhelming majority of them acknowledge that human activity influences climate change.

    Now in eyes of half the populace, scientists are secret commissars in the employ of George Soros. People not to be trusted.

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    Trumpians and Bushites.. (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 12:58:38 PM EST
    would rather believe in myth than either history or science.

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    Very true (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 01:00:30 PM EST
    Try talking to them about the myth of the lost cause and they lose it.

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    I like Hubble (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by McBain on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 07:58:28 PM EST
    and I really like the Voyager probes but it's not quite the same as actually setting foot on another planet.  

    As for deGrasse Tyson, this what he has said on the Mars subject...

    "The astrophysicist then argued that a doubling of NASA's budget could help America's current financial crisis.

    "Innovation drives the economy," Tyson said.

    He argued that a doubling of the budget and the mission of putting humans on Mars would inspire children to want to be astronauts again. This would in turn improve science education, put people to work planning a mission to Mars, as well as stimulate all sorts of other businesses. Basically, another space race, minus the threat of nuclear annihilation.

    After Tyson's speech concluded he received a standing ovation and stayed to answer questions.



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    McBain: "I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone would make this conversation about race. But it is disappointing. Much of my interest in the space program comes from my dad's career as a science teacher."

    ... tends to negatively impact minority communities in a grossly disproportionate manner, then yes, this argument is indeed about race and privilege.

    And if you seriously believe that a manned mission to Mars is somehow going to compensate for that perennial shortchange of educational resources and opportunities for students who reside in economically challenged and distressed communities, then the only thing you learned from your father the science teacher was a Horatio Alger-type myth.

    My only mistake here was characterizing you as having your head in the clouds, when it's apparently to be found up someplace else.

    Have a nice day in Stepford.


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    Please read my response to Jondee #126 (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by McBain on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 08:07:03 PM EST
    where I quote Neil deGrasse Tyson on the long term benefits of a Mars mission.  I'm guessing you won't throw an insult his way or respond at all.
    Aloha.

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    Ya (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:20:17 PM EST
    He said this

    "The astrophysicist then argued that a doubling of NASA's budget could help America's current financial crisis.

    In 2012.

    We are not really n a "financial crisis" any more.  And while Trump takes a hatchet to every program he can reach it seems unlikely he is going to double NASAs budget.  Quite the opposite.  

    It would be nice if they doubled they budget and we had a space force.  It would be nice if golden monkeys flew out of my butt.

    But clearly he has captured your imagination.  Such as it is.

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    It would be nice if your comments (none / 0) (#177)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 07:24:13 PM EST
    were a little more focused. Are you saying deGrasse's comments are less relevant today than they were in 2012 because we have a better economy now?

    My imagination is much more intrigued by the likes of deGrasse and the late Carl Sagan.      

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    You just couldn't make this up (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 02:02:52 PM EST
    Tom Arnold + Michael Cohen + Vice News

    Making an episode called Searching for the Trump Tapes or something like that.

    Can real life get serious again? Must I live reality TV?

    Some (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 03:43:43 PM EST
    days I swear we are being trolled by some trickster god.

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    today (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:01:04 PM EST
    is definitely one of them
    Rudy Giuliani's love life is causing trouble for the White House.

    In a move that blindsided the West Wing and sent Hill Republicans into a tizzy, the president's personal attorney is throwing his support behind an obscure House candidate in Louisiana trying to take out incumbent GOP Rep. Clay Higgins. But the bizarre tale of Giuliani's interest in an off-the-radar congressional race only begins there.

    It turns out the ex-New York mayor's new girlfriend, GOP fundraiser Jennifer LeBlanc, is working for the Republican challenger in the race, Josh Guillory. LeBlanc had been on Higgins' payroll until late last year when she abruptly parted ways with the congressman.

    "We have a National Enquirer-type situation going on down in Louisiana's 3rd Congressional District," said state Attorney General Jeff Landry, a Higgins backer who hails from the area.
    Giuliani's involvement, Landry added, is "ridiculous."

    .  

    Also from the should I laugh or should I cry files

    President Trump addressed the immigration crisis during a live-streamed event on Friday in Washington, D.C., and his comments are making some watchers cringe.

    Family members who Trump called the "victims of illegal immigration" took the stage while holding large photos of their loved ones. Trump had appeared to autograph the pictures.

     

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    I'm watching BBC World News a lot these days. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 04:52:54 PM EST
    To kindly understate the true extent of our problem, let's just say that the current state of our country's journalism leaves so much to be desired.

    There is a great humanitarian crisis underway in Yemen, a poor country on the southern side of the Arabian Peninsula that's presently caught in the geopolitical crosshairs of both regional and international players in the Middle East's perpetual 11-dimensional game of chess.

    The ongoing war there has killed about 12,000 Yemenis and wounded 49,000, displaced 4 million people from their homes, and has for all practical purposes rendered 22 million of the country's 29 million residents at grave risk of famine, and has further facilitated the largest outbreak of cholera seen anywhere in the world over the last 100 years.

    But you'd more than likely never know any of that, were you to listen exclusively to the incessant cable news babblethon, partisan posturing, pseudo-political preening and celebrity gossip that's now polluting our country's journalism.

    Speaking for myself only, I happen to think that knowledge and awareness of what's actually going on in the world is actually far more important to our nation's well being and survival, than knowing what the Kardashians are doing, arguing over Robert De Niro's potty mouth at the Tony Awards, or speculating whether or not somebody is being too mean to Melania Trump by criticizing her lack of moral stature in her husband's administration and / or fashion faux pas.

    But that's just me. Aloha.

    Parent

    And just for the record: (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:28:05 PM EST
    Me: "Speaking for myself only, I happen to think that knowledge and awareness of what's actually going on in the world is actually far more important to our nation's well being and survival, than knowing what the Kardashians are doing, arguing over Robert De Niro's potty mouth at the Tony Awards, or speculating whether or not somebody is being too mean to Melania Trump by criticizing her lack of moral stature in her husband's administration and / or fashion faux pas."

    (a) I consider anyone who cares about the Kardashians to be more than likely a frivolous and shallow person, and someone who's really not worth wasting any of my otherwise valuable time trying to engage on a deep level;

    (b) Robert De Niro spoke for me; and

    (c) By her own choices in life, Melania Trump has rendered herself to be a purely ornamental accessory in her husband's world, and as such she serves as nothing more than an object of pity and scorn for me, as well as an infinite source of amusement for late-night comedy.

    ;-D

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    All that said Donald (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:36:07 PM EST
    It's hard to blame Americans for being obsessed with our own country right now

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    Kinda (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 05:41:24 PM EST
    like a watching dumpster fire...from inside the dumpster.

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    Winning Talkleft! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:12:20 PM EST
    ... qualify as "being obsessed with our own country right now"? Let's not conflate our justifiable concerns for our country's fate with our obsession with celebrity, or confuse gossip and dish for news and information.

    With regards to Yemen, I'll make no apologies for taking very seriously anything that's being done in our country's name -- and then not being done, as the case may be.

    Any nation that so publicly aspires to greatness on the world stage, as ours does, should not then shirk its responsibilities for the present and deplorable state of affairs into which Yemen has since devolved, thanks in no small part to our own government's perpetually myopic decision making and corresponding military activities in that benighted part of the world over the last 25 years.

    Aloha.

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    There have always been (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 06:45:38 PM EST
    People obsessed with celebrities.  I take issue with the term "our obsession".  It is not mine.  I could not pick a Kardashian out of a line up.  

    I knew about Yemen.  I heard it were I hear most things.  MSNBC.  

    I would of course agree "doing something" would be good.  The truth we don't have a great history of "doing something".

    If you want my honest opinion I dont believe we ARE a country that "aspires to greatness on the world stage"  we might have been.  Once.  Right now we are circling the fu@ing drain.  

    We have almost totally withdrawn from a leadership role in the world.  We are the laughing stock of the western world.  Helping Yemen would be great.  There is a reason you are instructed to secure you own oxygen mask before your child's.

    Personally I am ok with every bit of energy and attention that every American can spare be focused like a laser on unfu@king own on country.  Because until we do we can't do sh!t.

    Parent

    ... to the extent that it does, were there not a large audience for it. Just sayin'.

    Parent
    And Trump would not be president (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 07:34:23 PM EST
    But here we are.  Yemen might aiming a little high.  If we wanted to help a country of people in desperate need we might start with Puerto Rico.

    When did you last hear a news story about them?

    Parent

    Two days ago, actually - on the BBC. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 11:27:48 PM EST
    ;-D

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    I (none / 0) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:17:14 PM EST
    don't think celebrity worship is a particularly American or even modern occurrence. Look at the Brits with their royals, jeesh. The Mexicans caused an eartquake when their cup team scored.

    Throughout history,kings, priests, poets, playwrights, composers, generals, athletes, explorers and on and on have all made celebrity status one way or the other.

    One could argue Moses,Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha were all celebrities in their own right.

    I do think that America, with the help of television has put the whole bread and circuses on steroids and it seems to suck the oxygen away from  much more important stories.

    Parent

    My opinion (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by linea on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:33:53 PM EST
    I routinely watch BBC World News for America on PBS TV. It's the only TV news I watch. I remember listening to BBC World Service radio broadcast when I was young. In my opinion. The international radio world broadcast is superior. I believe certain segments are available streaming. But you might need a special radio receiver to get the 24-hour broadcast which is what I listened too. Dunno.

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    I have a UK radios app on my iPod (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by leap on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:16:58 PM EST
    that has about 96 radio stations, including (the ones I mostly listen to) BBC World Service, BBC 3 (classical music), and BBC 4 (news, dramas, and most importantly, "Gardeners' Question Time"). You can find it in the App Store, "UK Radios." You can also find individual BBC radio stations in the App Store. The World Service is that: news of the world, places our loathsome media mostly ignore. Some superb reporting and reporters who, when asking questions or interviewing people, actually listen and ask follow up questions. They don't take $h!t from politicians.

    I don't have a tee-vee, don't listen to NPR, so I go to the BBC and CBC radiocasts.

    Parent

    And lovely (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by linea on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 12:01:16 AM EST
    Greenwich Time Signal six pips (starting five seconds to the hour and ending on the hour). ❤️

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    I completely agree (none / 0) (#75)
    by linea on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 11:38:06 PM EST
    Re: `The World Service is that: news of the world, places our loathsome media mostly ignore.'

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    Hey, leap, what is the name of the UK (none / 0) (#89)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 02:02:48 PM EST
    radio app you have? I went searching the App Store on my iPad, but could not find the one with BBC World and Gardeners Question Time, both of which I would love to have.

    Parent
    The "BBC News" app (none / 0) (#104)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 09:36:16 PM EST
    under the "Live" tab, has BBC World Service.

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    It's called "British Radios" app (none / 0) (#105)
    by leap on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 10:30:36 PM EST
    but there are lots of others in the App store, such as "BBC iPlayer Radio" which has BBC 3 and 4 and World Service. I also have "UK Radios" app, similar to British Radios, but British Radios has BBC Scotland, Ulster, Wales, Merseyside, Humberside, and more. Sometimes I like listening to the different dialects!

    Gardener's Question Time in on channel 4, broadcast on Sunday mornings (US). It also has a podcast, though, which you can listen to anytime.

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    It's called "British Radios" app (none / 0) (#106)
    by leap on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 10:31:36 PM EST
    but there are lots of others in the App store, such as "BBC iPlayer Radio" which has BBC 3 and 4 and World Service. I also have "UK Radios" app, similar to British Radios, but British Radios has BBC Scotland, Ulster, Wales, Merseyside, Humberside, and more. Sometimes I like listening to the different dialects!

    Gardener's Question Time in on channel 4, broadcast on Sunday mornings (US). It also has a podcast, though, which you can listen to anytime.

    Parent

    Thanks, leap. (none / 0) (#128)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:03:21 PM EST
    You can access the many channels of BBC ... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 11:26:01 PM EST
    ... online. LINK. Otherwise, you would need a short-wave receiver to listen to it over the radio airwaves.

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    I was going to do this tomorrow (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 04:51:44 PM EST
    Now I may have to do it tonight.

    Mad hair. Russian owners. Is Jurassic World 2's meanest dinosaur really Donald Trump?
    A trail of clues in JA Bayona's sequel suggests that the Indoraptor, patchy coiffure and all, is commentary on a certain prehistoric president

    But before the bidding and ultimate sale to "the gentlemen from Russia" can begin, the Indoraptor needs to make its formal debut. Here's where Bayona goes all in. The chrome doors open and, lit from behind with an off-blue hue, the untamable beast, the agent of destruction, the planet's existential crisis for the next four years (or until the next movie comes out) emerges in silhouette. The image is a reproduction of Donald John Trump's entrance at the Republican National Convention in 2016.




    We saw it last night (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 08:54:38 PM EST
    Also Toby Jones' character Mr. Eversol was sporting Trump's hair. Not bald under the combover, but they put the fans to that brassy mess. Blew that giant combover all over before he was gobbled up.

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    Are you still up? (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:34:05 PM EST
    Did you like it?  Everything I have heard is good.  But then I mostly talk them effects people about movies.  That director did ORPHAN and A MONSTER CALLS.  both very good.

    Also some of the better episodes of PENNY DREADFUL

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:35:25 PM EST
    THE ORPHANAGE

    Parent
    I will defer to Josh (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 01:53:44 AM EST
    Josh said that it has been wrongfully dissed. It is super action packed. And the audience became very engaged. They did cheer the victor of a dinosaur fight.

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    JURASSIC WORLD: FALLEN KINGDOM (none / 0) (#63)
    by linea on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 09:22:29 PM EST
    Has miserable reviews. I'll go to any film if invited but I can pretty much guarantee that no one wants to take a date to this film.

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    Typically clueless comment (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 09:50:27 PM EST
    it does not have miserable reviews

    I do enjoy your accounts of your approach to film

    Parent

    I don't understand (none / 0) (#68)
    by linea on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:19:37 PM EST
    Are you being honest and complimenting me with `I do enjoy your accounts of your approach to film' because I actually appreciate positive comments from you. But `clueless' is really offensive to me and really gets me upset.

    Re: it does not have miserable reviews

    That link is to JURASSIC WORLD (2015)

    Believe me, if JURASSIC WORLD: FALLEN KINGDOM was any good, someone would have invited me to see it this weekend.

    Parent

    Oh my (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 10:29:10 PM EST
    Don't be upset

    Sorry for the link
    still, I would not call  50 critic score and a 63 percent audience score "miserable"

    No I was not actually complimenting you
    Sorry

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    Why (none / 0) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 07:06:21 AM EST
    does the  movie date scene from Taxi Driver come to mind?

    Parent
    I've only seen the first Jurassic Park movie (none / 0) (#81)
    by McBain on Sat Jun 23, 2018 at 11:01:21 AM EST
    One of the interesting things I learned from the James Cameron, AMC, Sci Fi special was he wanted to direct that film but Spielberg beat him to it.  Cameron said he would have made like "Aliens"... an R rated movie.

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    I STAND CORRECTED (none / 0) (#120)
    by linea on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 06:19:02 PM EST
    I got invited to see the film Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Saturday morning because the weather was poor and people were waiting for the afternoon (predicted to be sunny and 70 F by 3:00 PM) to attend Pride Fest.

    Should I do a film review?

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    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 06:34:27 PM EST
    By all means

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#139)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 11:58:29 AM EST
    Do so.

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    Box office not miserable (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 07:26:45 AM EST
    In a 2018 box office that has been mostly defined by Disney, Universal has left a T-Rex sized mark on the charts as "Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom" has opened to a $150 million launch this weekend from 4,475 locations.

    Not only is that just 28 percent down from the $208 million launch of "Jurassic World" -- a lower drop-off than the 30-40 percent drop analysts were expecting -- it gives "Fallen Kingdom" the second-highest opening weekend in Universal history.

    Though "Fallen Kingdom"'s pre-weekend projections were always strong, never falling below $125 million, some analysts who spoke to TheWrap thought that with the shorter gap between "Jurassic" films, the mediocre 50 percent Rotten Tomatoes score, and the presence of "Incredibles 2," this sequel wouldn't have as easy a time bringing in audiences as previous "Jurassic" installments have.

    But none of these things have been a problem.



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    Worth the time (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 at 04:55:05 PM EST
    It's the End of the World as We Know It, and Hollywood Feels Fine
    Movies and TV shows have begun telling us to make peace with the apocalypse


    The last time we see humans in the Apes series, they're swaddled head to toe in military parkas, bundled up against the cold their hairless bodies can't endure, yet so removed from their environment they don't realize their war cries are about to bring an avalanche crashing down upon them. In the original Planet of the Apes and its turn-of-the-century remake, the discovery that humankind has been replaced is the ultimate horror, registered by Charlton Heston's despairing screams and Mark Wahlberg's stunned incomprehension. But in War for the Planet of the Apes, the death of dozens of humans, which for all we know may be the last surviving group anywhere, is played as a slapstick gag, their faceless, undifferentiated bodies buried under a mountain of snow with a swift, subdued thud--an inglorious ending for a species that deserves nothing better. This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a womp womp.


    KINGSMEN GOLDEN CIRCLE (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 06:43:02 PM EST
    This started on HBO last night.  I didn't care enough to even see it on PPV even tho I liked the first one a lot.  
    I didnt expect much but I liked it.  It's totally dumb.  But I knows that.  I thought it was fun.

    And I had no idea Elton John was in it playing himself.  And it's not a cameo.  That alone makes it worth the time.

    In 48 minutes (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 06:44:48 PM EST
    I get to go to WESTWORLD for 90 minutes where I won't think of Trump once.

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    Finale?? (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:22:03 PM EST
    I loved it.  Not what anyone expected.  Great setup for next season.  

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    I was bummed (none / 0) (#131)
    by MKS on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:31:15 PM EST
    at the end until it was apparent that Maeve and Delores (the old version) would survive.  I am glad Evan Rachel Wood is still part of the show, I think.  

    I haven't witnessed such a discussion of free will since college.

    The last episode had my rapt attention.

    It was interesting that the boyfriends of Maeve and Delores are such dofuses. Maeve's boyfriend is just a little dumb but otherwise tough. But poor Teddy, (whom I hear is played by an actor who is the new big deal hunk) is dumb, weak and always bewildered.

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    Teddy (the actor James Marsden) (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:51:50 PM EST
    Has been a big star for a long time.  

    Yeah it would have been dumb to cut either of those characters.  They anchor the show.

    I was surprised by the rise of the other one.  Without spoilers for anyone who has not seen it yet.

    I really didn't see that coming at all.  I love that.

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    There is really no reason (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 09:56:42 PM EST
    Any of the hosts can't come back.  

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    I can't believe no one has (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 01:40:43 PM EST
    Anything to say about this.

    It's basically broken the internet.  I guess only MKS and I saw it.  Here's some thoughts on the post credits scene from IGN

    Joy doesn't overtly confirm this in any of her interviews, but her explanation of William's dire future, as teased in the post-credits stinger, seems to align with the theory in her interview with the Hollywood Reporter: "In the far, far future, the world is dramatically different. Quite destroyed, as it were. A figure in the image of his daughter -- his daughter is of course now long dead -- has come back to talk to him. He realizes that he's been living this loop again and again and again. The primal loop that we've seen this season, they've been repeating, testing every time for what they call 'fidelity,' or perhaps a deviation. You get the sense that the testing will continue. It's teasing for us another temporal realm that one day we're working toward, and one day will see a little bit more of, and how they get to that place, and what they're testing for."

    While Joy stops short of confirming that William is a host in this future scenario, she does clarify to THR, "it's not his original incarnation. That version of him that was 'human' would be somewhere lying dead, and this is some other version of himself now. He doesn't quite understand what."

    Neither do we, but hopefully we won't have to suffer through years of the same loop before we get our own answers



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    And a collection of more thoughts (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 01:44:42 PM EST
    Mark Warner Friday (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 07:11:17 AM EST
    "If you get me one more glass of wine, I'll tell you stuff only Bob Mueller and I know," he joked. "If you think you've seen wild stuff so far, buckle up. It's going to be a wild couple of months."

    I absolutely believe this.  The sh!t is about to hit the fan.  Well, if not THE sh!t, definitely SOME sh!t.

    Times up.  Whatever is going to happen before the midterms has to happen soon.

    Burr (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 08:02:15 AM EST
    sure has been awfully silent these days. Actually it seems most of the senate outside of McConnell and maybe Ted Cruz for the most part have been studiously trying to avoid mentioning Trump or caging children. I know my senator tried to hide at a public rollout of Medicare, Medicaid and social security cuts the GOP is advocating for.

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    The betting says August (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 08:54:18 AM EST
    I think it might come sooner

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    All I can say (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:51:00 PM EST
    is the sooner the better.

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    Yes but (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:12:40 PM EST
    I would expect it to be a massive news explosion.  We don't want the kids forgotten.  As least as far as news coverage.  And depending on how explosive, they might be.

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    The (none / 0) (#147)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:42:05 PM EST
    kid's are already being forgotten in a sense. Sure they still lead the cycle, but it's turning into a process story and leaving the morality issue behind. Most of the philosophical discussion today is the political incorrectness of  shunning monsters when they are off the clock.

    This how they work it every time, do something racist/cruel/corrupt then lie about it, then walk it back(sort of) and eventually blame it all on the Democrats being so "uncivil" and eventually it is filed away as just tRump being tRump and it's on to the next shiny object.

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    keep sayin it (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:56:03 PM EST
    dump CNN

    the morality and the outrage are the lead of every hour on MSNBC every day and every night.

    but your description was such a perfect description of CNN and their approach to everything.  NBC does is not required to have a batsh!t crazy right winger on every panel for "balance"

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    with the exception (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:13:27 PM EST
    of Chuck Turd and Tweety

    admittedly

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    It (none / 0) (#156)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:40:10 PM EST
    would probably be better for my blood pressure, but it would lessen my understanding of how the propaganda is catapulted, for some reason that is important to me. Besides if this choir boy wants to get preached to, I got plenty of blogs I can go to.

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:46:44 PM EST
    It's not like that.  There is more than enough "balance".  There really is.  Not just the ones I mentioned.  But they have very good people who a actually do present a balanced story.  

    Every time I try CNN there is a screaming match between a crazy right winger and someone else.

    Let me finish let me finish LET ME FINISH

    They don't do that on NBC.  Normally.  They shut them down or cut their mics

    I really can't watch CNN.

    If nothing else, primetime

    Hayes, Rachel and Lawerence.  With emphasis on the first 2.


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    They've been doing that at CNN for eons. (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 05:00:47 AM EST
    It's the dubious legacy of "Crossfire." Like you, I can't watch that perpetual schittshow, either.

    The dumbest thing I heard on CNN today was David Gergen insisting that "the Anti-War movement in Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement in the '60s and '70s, both of those were much more civil in tone" than today's anti-Trump crowd. LOL! Methinks Sir David has spent far too long a time down at Ye Olde Foggie Bottom Pub.

    Aloha.

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    I (none / 0) (#162)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:29:27 PM EST
    agree, the panels are nonsense for the most part. Sometimes the anchors are effective at slapping down individual rw guests sometimes not.

    In any case I am much more interested in the ebb and flow of the "real" news cycle, what they lead with, what they bury, what they leave out and what they completely have forgotten about. Watching that gives me an understanding of what the corporate hive mind is trying to sell today and gives me insight how average American is propagandized, I can even watch in real time how history is white washed.

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    True enough (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:35:54 PM EST
    Arrg (none / 0) (#165)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:56:08 PM EST
    Burnett just led with Red Hen-gate, and had that paragon of civility Scaramucci on to discuss it for 15 minutes, for my health I did not listen. I guess  Lewendoski is too busy fellating Trump these days.

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    Another (none / 0) (#173)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 05:35:52 AM EST
    point I probably knew but have been unable to formulate, CNN is probably the biggest window into the mind of "the village".  

    "The village" was truly outraged over the child abductions for a week or two now it's starting to fade, outrage is so uncivil don't you know, especially when the hard working monsters can't get a decent meal in this town.

    And all this brought back a distant childhood memory of the perfect metaphor for the beltway elite, Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog.

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    Avenatti (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:12:54 PM EST
    says he has had some ICE people come foward with pictures of the kids and pictures of at least one facility.

    Yep, going to have to keep the kids in our sights no matter what happens with Mueller.

    I have shut a few down saying they "deserve it" with the story of the Canadian jogger who accidentally crossed the border and got thrown in jail for 2 weeks.

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    fwiw, she was French, not Canadian. (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 06:21:28 PM EST
    They deserve it (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 10:02:23 PM EST
    De blasio on Rachel said the interned kids in New York City are from Guatemala.

    This country's abuse of kids and people from Guatemala continues, after all this time.  I thought I had left behind this issue, as an historical event receding in time.

    But, once again, right wingers are all too happy to say the people of Guatemala deserve it.   More horror visited upon the people of Guatemala. I had thought after the UN Truth Commission's report in 1999, which showed the extent of the genocide there.

    Seeing Jennifer Harbury on t.v. was quite a throwback. She has obtained the audiotape of the crying kids interned by Trump from her client. She had been unbelievably effective in publicizing the U.S. complicity in the 1980s massacres in Guatemala.  I had never heard her voice before. More logical and lawyerlike than I had anticipated.

    What you do to the least of these....

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    Avenatti is officially in this bigly (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 08:18:05 PM EST
    He is on Rachel with video.

    He is now representing 60+ mothers and 70+ children.

    Excellent.

    Trump is going to put a price on this guy's head.  Or other body parts

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    Good for Avenatti (none / 0) (#168)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 09:47:34 PM EST
    I watched Chris Cuomo's show on CNN.  At first, I admired his style--he can argue and confront without getting angry.  

    But his substance is terrible.  His show tonight was all about Maxine Waters, and the deterioration in civil discourse.  Both-siderism at its finest.

    I turned to Rachel and saw new video of the interned kids.  And Avenatti and how he represents a lot of these kids and families.  Substance and news.

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    But interesting things are happening (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:34:51 PM EST
    There was this absurd WSJ op-ed 2 days ago.  It bizarro world in Black and white and to me seem a bit desperate


    Mueller's Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

    And other things like reports of increased number of meetings between Mueller and the DOJ.

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    I (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:18:24 PM EST
    have heard that argument before, it's ridiculous. Even if the investigation was tainted somehow the appointment of a special counsel is exactly the cure. After the FBI's flawed performance and tRumps obvious attempt to obstruct to  his appointment was lauded by most on both sides.

    I agree there is a lot going on, Erik Prince is reportedly cooperating (Nader narked him out), Cohen is on the razor's edge if not already there. Stone is ready to be indicted and Manafort is sweating it out in jail.

    Mueller already knows everything, and everybody knows his knowledge is damming, the dead enders have really only one desperate play left. The smarty pants at WSJ with his poisonous tree BS could have just typed "it's a witch hunt" a hundred times to hit his word count and had the same effect. It's really all they got.

     

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    seriously (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:31:14 PM EST
    but the very craziest part is that they say the FBI wanted to stop Trump from getting elected.

    just let that sink in for a minute.  after not only NOT mentioning a counter intelligence investigation into Trump but actually trying to push reporters away - remember the TIMES story about how the FBI said there was no reason to think there were Trump Russia connections WHILE THEY WERE INVESTIGATING HIM FOR RUSSIA CONNECIONS - but giving multiple press conferences about their nothing burger investigation of Hillary.

    its a remarkable piece of work.

    everyone should read it.

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    Interesting things (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 03:24:35 PM EST
    Vanity Fair

    ROBERT MUELLER COULD HAVE AN OCTOBER SURPRISE FOR THE G.O.P.
    The special counsel is expected to reach a conclusion--and produce possible indictments--right around the midterm elections this fall.

    I have been assuming Mueller would avoid the midterms.   If this is right it's not even a consideration.  Which is exactly as it should be.

    But it's surprising.

    Imagine how Trump will squeal if the "witch hunt" indictments come on Halloween.

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    PS (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 03:29:26 PM EST
    Where's Rudy?

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    He's (none / 0) (#176)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 04:25:12 PM EST
    traveling the "Tallahassee Trail" with his new GF... seriously
    Rudy Giuliani is in Lafayette, La., campaigning for congressional candidate Josh Guillory, who employs the former mayor's girlfriend, GOP fund-raiser Jennifer LeBlanc.
    it's not like his day job is too important or anything. Maybe, tRump benched him, maybe Mueller is breathing down his neck, maybe he realizes that he isn't going to get paid and has gone to mailing it, who knows with this crowd?

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    At about the same time (none / 0) (#140)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 12:24:37 PM EST
    as the rally when Trump threw out a protester, ridiculing his long hair and questioning his gender, Peter Baker of the NYTimes wrote a column on the need for civility in uncivilian times.

     It is such a shame that demogogic hate speech by the US President that dehumanizes groups to create and persecute, such as claiming that undocumented immigrants want to infest the US (like vermin), is met with anger toward that hate speech.  It is not asymmetric, it is both sides are to blame. And, sometimes, intemperate, too. Defending yourself and your country, is going low, apparently.

    And, on the heels of this lesson to be polite and be politically correct to these deplorables who love Trump's absence of being politically correct another NYTimes reporter, Jeremy Peters, took off for another of those trips to diners and such, to get Republican reactions to all that harsh criticism of poor Trump.  Peters interviews a suburban Virginia woman ,Gina Anders, who does not even own any MAGA wardrobe, but, never-the-less, protects Trump.  

    Not mentioned by Peters, but revealed later, was that Miss Anders is a senior consultant at a PAC that pushes things like Obamacare repeal and protecting Confederate monuments.

      But, Miss Anders is the voice of reason,and laments that things are such that "we can't have a conversation."  Why?  Because, on the one hand, Trump wants to put people in cages and concentration camps. And, on the other side, the left just wants everybody to come into the country illegally, so they get votes.  No questioning on the weighting of the equation affecting the "conversation."

    And, of course, there is Huckabee Sanders and the Red Hen.  So uncivil to legally refuse service (no shirt no shoes no serviced rubric, with no mention of protected classes and unlawful discrimination) to a high ranking Trump political appointee who is complicit .  So uncivil...not like her father's concern with Mrs. Pelosi's policies, that he says are based on MS -13 campaign advisors.

     The fish rots from the head: Trump showed his respect for world leaders at the G-7 when he threw starbursts as Mrs. Merkel, saying don't day I never gave you anything. But, shunning and shaming  cabinet members and collaborators, even harshly, given these are no ordinary times.

    The head (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 12:42:41 PM EST
    Has been rotting for quite some time.
    But so has the body of the GOP, starting back at least since Nixon.

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    PREACHER (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:05:37 PM EST
    so nobody wants to talk about WESTWORLD how about PREACHER?

    started it second season last night.  this time with the fabulous Betty Buckley (the voice of broadway) as Marie L'Angell a Louisana witch.  she is amazingly creepy.

    Still trying to process... (none / 0) (#152)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:20:08 PM EST
    what the hell happened. So much gore! I had my eyes closed half the time.

    I get the witch is Preacher's grandmother, but not sure what happened when she cut his Mom open.

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    she found a picurre of Jesse (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:22:05 PM EST
    that his mom ate to keep her from finding

    yeah

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    if you mean (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:23:16 PM EST
    what happened after that

    after they strapped her down,  yeah, no kidding.

    Buckley is so perfect in that role.

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    Yeah. (none / 0) (#157)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:41:40 PM EST
    Why was baby Jesse encased in jello? What happened to his Mom? Why did the big guy with the ponytail have to "catch up" with Jesse? Why was there another plane on the way back from purgatory and who did Dog tell her to kill?

    So many questions!

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    Oh yeah (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:47:45 PM EST
    That

    But how great was purgatory?

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    Even though it didn't jive with... (none / 0) (#170)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 10:28:44 PM EST
    my near death "purgatory" experiences, I liked it. Fruity Pebbles!

    About the only thing I understood.


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    I would totally expect purgatory (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 10:39:57 PM EST
    To have a laugh track.

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    It's actually (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:19:25 PM EST
    The third season

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    Anyone interested (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 05:37:38 PM EST
    here's a good review

    With still of all the characters including Betty and God Dog (which is amazing)

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    Joe Crowley loses in NY (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 10:01:15 PM EST
    4 in democratic house leadership and most ironically "head of messaging" loses to a 28 year old progressive.

    I think this is good.  Fossilized leadership take note.  


    Rep. Joe Crowley loses primary to 28-year-old newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez


    Could be (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 10:07:36 PM EST
    "Tonight, a star is born, and a political revolution is underway. It's starting here in New York," said Bill Lipton, the director of the progressive Working Families Party of New York. "Every political leader in America should be paying attention to what happened tonight in Queens and the Bronx."


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    watch her video (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by leap on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 12:06:39 AM EST
    Link. Wow. Do we ever need more people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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    She is on MJ (none / 0) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 08:00:16 AM EST
    She is a very impressive young woman

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    Pelosi comments on this (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 09:30:30 AM EST
    Seriously could not have been more clueless or self absorbed

    She sounded like Trump making it all about her and how large her margin of victory was.

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    Saw her on MJ this morning. (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 10:40:56 AM EST
    Congress needs more Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's and less white haired, balding old white men. (And I am a balding old white man.)

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    I think it's good too (none / 0) (#181)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 06:34:15 AM EST
    I think that Ben Jealous winning the primary for MD governor is also a fine thing.

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    Anthony Kennedy retiring (none / 0) (#188)
    by MKS on Wed Jun 27, 2018 at 01:22:48 PM EST
    Abortion rights and marriage equality now in jeopardy.

    Very poor turnout for Families Belong Together (none / 0) (#195)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 30, 2018 at 12:39:41 PM EST
    March in DC. Who organized this protest? They do realize Trump is not encumbered by anything that happens in LA, right?

    Philadelphia rally attracted 3000 (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 30, 2018 at 04:55:32 PM EST
    which was above expectations, even with numerous satellite rallies in surrounding counties with hundreds participating in each.

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    There was a couple 100 (5.00 / 3) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 30, 2018 at 05:20:13 PM EST
    In my little deal here.  More than I really expected because it's so hot

    This whole area is under a heat advisory and has been for days.  It was miserable.  Over 100 for the feels like temp.

    So most people including me didn't stay really long.

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    We (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 01, 2018 at 05:45:27 AM EST
    had around 10K in Atlanta as hot as it was and then we also had a decent turnout in our little red county.

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    Just put up a new open thread (none / 0) (#196)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jun 30, 2018 at 03:53:56 PM EST
    thanks for your patience everyone.

    THANK YOU (none / 0) (#199)
    by jmacWA on Sun Jul 01, 2018 at 05:28:53 AM EST