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    How does he not (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 05:46:25 PM EST
    Know how to spell collusion yet? He says it every day.

    See, he doesn't even know how to spell (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:19:35 PM EST
    it, how can he be doing it!

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    Things are reaching (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:03:32 PM EST
    critical mass when we have a president considering handing over Americans to Putin, Americans who have done nothing but make Putin mad. Mr. Mueller I know you are working as fast as you can but something has to give to shut this all down.

    I can see it coming down (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:24:11 PM EST
    to actual mutiny at some point. Someone would have to force McFaul or Browder onto an airplane. Would anyone actually do it? It is a scary thought, but that is the logical scenario if he tries to give them up and the courts back his plays.

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    I scariest part IMO (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:59:22 PM EST
    Was when Aunt Lydia Sanders told the press that, yeah, he will be discussing handing McFaul over.

    Now, I do not believe this will happen.

    Please God

    But the very fact she would calmly confirm such a thing is mind blowing

    They are getting high on their own supply.  They think they are in Gilead

    In a way this is good.  It just ripped that pathetic double negative fig leaf to shreads and put this whole sh!t show right back on republicans.


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    Oooh (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 04:17:40 PM EST
    Aunt Lydia Sanders. You made me laugh. Thanks. I needed a laugh and you are right. I had not made the connection but darn you are right. She is Aunt Lydia.

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    Hat tip (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 04:40:54 PM EST
    Michelle Wolf

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    I don't know about (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:47:16 PM EST
    you but if I could get there I would be out front hanging onto the goons trying to drag them off.

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    Maria Butina, the alleged (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:37:49 PM EST
    honeypot spy, indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of conspiracy and acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Russia, is accused of using her gun rights advocacy schtick to build a bridge between Russian and Republicans, via the National Rifle Association.

     It always seemed curious to me in the amount of money this Association spent on electing Trump and Republicans.  Yes, a wealthy organization, but most, even rich ones, are close with their own cash.

    Moreover, Miss Butina's promotional interests took her to Evangelical Christians...starting with the National Prayer Breakfast, hosted by members of Congress and sponsored by the "The Family." Miss Butina messaged a Russian official on Twitter "we made our bet, I am following our game.  I will be connecting the people from the prayer breakfast.."

    Evangelicals had,in the run up to the 2016 election, increasing passion for Russian values, the center appearing  to be an anti-gay agenda. Another way to use the religious right to infiltrate, divide and weaken our country.  Don't know, of course, what the corruption, if any, is.  But, it often does not take a lot.  Free trips to Moscow,for the preacher and his wife, and, never underestimate the potency, of a free meal.

    NPR (1.33 / 3) (#152)
    by linea on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 12:39:07 PM EST
    Mariia Butina`s attorney Robert Driscoll is interviewed on NPR [Listen 5:27]

    I've read the Complaint and Affidavit and they seem pretty thin to me. Perhaps the prosecution will present more convincing evidence at trial. I'm curious to see whether the government gets a conviction with this. Also, to me it seems ridiculous to keep her in jail pending trial.

    Maybe the Justice Department should provide Visa holders with a list of Nationalities who may be violating the law if they attempt to establish unofficial lines of communications with political organizations or are introduced to US persons having influence in American politics or simply attend events sponsored by special interest groups. Or attend the National Prayer Breakfast. Seems rather unfair to target specific Nationalities without providing notice. Maybe some sort of restricted Visa should be issued?

    As an aside, I realize many here are confused and think the US is officially at war with Russia. That's incorrect and other than a few minor sanctions targeting specific Russian individuals and businesses, it's business as usual with Russia and the US and EU. In fact, the Germans absolutely love Russian oil pipelines. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder is even on the board of Russian gas company Rosneft. And I have yet to work for a US tech company that doesn't have Russian development offices and imported cheap Russian workers with H1B Visas.


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    As an aside ... (5.00 / 5) (#155)
    by Yman on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    As an aside, I realize many here are confused and think the US is officially at war with Russia. That's incorrect and other than a few minor sanctions targeting specific Russian individuals and businesses, it's business as usual with Russia and the US and EU. In fact, the Germans absolutely love Russian oil pipelines. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder is even on the board of Russian gas company Rosneft. And I have yet to work for a US tech company that doesn't have Russian development offices and imported cheap Russian workers with H1B Visas.

    ... I realize that some people claim "many here are confused" when they are trying to push strawman arguments, but the reality is you don't speak for "many" here.  Those of us who are well-informed and educated are well aware of the fact that there has been no declaration of war issued against Russia.  In fact, my 11-year-old knows this.  In fact, the US hasn't technically been at war since Congress last issued a declaration of war in 1942.   OTOH, most of us are also aware that Russia attacked us in the 2016 election and continues to attack us to this day.  We're smart enough to recognize that private businesses will continue to engage with Russian businesses unless and until they are prohibited from doing so by our government and that conflating the conduct of private business with government policies or a lack of formal declarations of war is laughable.  Also didn't work the last time you tried it to claim that Putin and Merkel get along just fine.

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    Lately I keep in mind (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 02:48:49 PM EST
    Marcy Wheeler had someone REALLY working her site. No reason to believe Jeralyn would be spared. She runs a fairly successful Leftwing site.

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    Well, you're wrong. (none / 0) (#185)
    by linea on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 10:53:47 PM EST
    Re: `Also didn't work the last time you tried it to claim that Putin and Merkel get along just fine.`

    Putin and Merkel get along just fine. Other than a few minor symbolic sanctions, Russian and German relations is business as usual. Nord Stream 2 pipeline is coming along just fine.

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    YOU think so? (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 06:44:42 AM EST
    "Well, you're wrong".

    Heh.  Funny

    In other news, the kindergartner across the street thinks that ice cream is health food.

    For the adults in the room -

    Putin and Merkel: A Rivalry of History, Distrust and Power

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    News Sources (none / 0) (#188)
    by linea on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 12:55:34 AM EST
    New Republic: Why Germany Doesn't Want Sanctions Against Russia, in Two Charts

    Germany's position is particularly important because of their outsized influence in the European Union. Over the past few years, we have seen how Germany often dictated monetary policy set by the European Central Bank. Despite the supposed equal say that all member nations are supposed to have, the ECB has often sided against the majority of countries in favor of looser policy and with the inflation hawks at the Bundesbank. The same dynamic exists as the E.U. formulates their response to Moscow, although most Eurozone nations will support Merkel's unwillingness to respond in a way that could provoke Russia to cut off its energy exports. If Germany does not want to threaten economic sanctions, don't expect the E.U. to do so.

    In addition, the Nord pipelines are an environmental disaster waiting to happen. Given the fact that every Russian construction project is an opportunity for the Russian Mafia and every involved official and bureaucrat to launder or skim money, there isn't any realistic expectation that the required quality controls were met (or will be met) during construction.

    Germany is no friend to Ukraine. I have no idea where the blindly pro-German allegiance on this forum comes from. Merkel criticized Trump so suddenly the Germans are good guys? The Russians are actual attacking Ukraine and Germany isn't particularly interested in the ongoing Little Green Men warfare.

    Radio Lemberg, 04.01.2018: UKRAINE DEFENDS ITSELF AGAINST RUSSIA, DISPLEASING GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER GABRIEL

    Germany's foreign minister Sigmar Gabriel doesn't think Ukraine should defend itself effectively from Russian aggression. Speaking in Kyiv on January 3, the German foreign minister said, "We in Germany are rather skeptical about the idea that arms supplies could help resolve the conflict." It is difficult to think of anything that will give more encouragement to Putin as he invades Europe in Ukraine or that will be more demoralizing to the Ukrainian people as they fight alone to save their country and to save Europe. Gabriel's words could have been written in the Kremlin.

    Russia invaded Ukraine on 20 February 2014. Germany gives no military training assistance to the Ukrainian armed forces, as Canada, the United States, and Lithuania do. Germany gives no weapons assistance to the Ukrainian armed forces, as Lithuania does and as Canada and the United States propose to do. Although Germany does not formally deny Ukraine's sovereign right to self-defence, it puts conditions on Ukraine by saying "we in Germany" don't think Ukrainians should defend themselves with the best weapons. Germany never criticizes Russia, by name, for attacking Ukraine with every weapon in its arsenal short of nuclear weapons. Putin's army has used thermobaric weapons, cluster munitions, white phosphorus incendiary munitions, chemical weapons in the Battle of Donetsk Airport, MANPADs against Ukrainian aircraft, a BUK missile against Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and many, many, Grad rockets against Ukrainian defenders and civilians. Sigmar Gabriel and the German foreign ministry deliberately choose to ignore Putin's war crimes against Europeans in Ukraine. Instead, Gabriel goes to Kyiv to scold Ukrainians for wanting to be able to stop a Russian tank before it shoots and kills them.

    Much can be learned from what Foreign Minister Gabriel did not say. He did not talk about Crimea. He did not talk about Putin. He did not talk about Russia's aggression or Russia's war or Russia's invasion. He did not talk about how Russia is fighting in Donbas with hundreds more tanks than Germany has in its entire army. He did not talk about how Russia has been firing shells and launching rockets and shooting bullets at Ukrainians in 2014 and 2015 and 2016 and 2017 and 2018. Most of all, Sigmar Gabriel did not say that there is a war raging in the heart of Europe, that Russia is invading its neighbour Ukraine, and that Ukraine is fighting for its very survival.

    Foreign Minister Gabriel offered no apology for German engineering firm Siemens conspiring with corrupt Russian officials to break sanctions. Siemens worked with Russian cut-outs to ship turbines to temporarily occupied Crimea, thus giving material assistance to Putin's invasion army that is the de facto occupying power on Ukraine's southern peninsula.

    ...

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    Trump and his "team" (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:03:49 PM EST
    after way too long, got around to "disagreeing" with the Russian proposal to hand over a former US Ambassador and other Americans for Putin's questioning.  The US Senate passed a resolution, 98 to zero, to disapprove of what Trump considered an incredible idea.

    Heat index down here (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 08:21:11 AM EST
    is expected to between 100 and 107 degrees today.  You be careful running around Coral Gables.

    It has not been below 105 (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 09:22:29 AM EST
    For more than a couple of hours at dawn here for two months going on 3

    And it's just as humid here.  I just don't go out side.  I went to get my riding mower back yesterday and it was the longest I've been out side in months.  I think I lost about 10 pounds of water weight.

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    Be careful out there (none / 0) (#178)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:35:27 PM EST
    You two

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    Interesting (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 11:18:24 AM EST
    President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, secretly made a recording of his conversation between himself and the future President discussing payments to former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal, who has alleged an affair with Trump, The New York Times reported Friday.
    Link

    I forget. Is this one that he totally denied (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 03:02:29 PM EST
    or is he perhaps otherwise on record contradicting what is apparently now on tape? Who can keep up (other than Howdy)?

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    Ha (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 06:39:53 PM EST
    We all have a cross to bear

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    Hey Peter, question (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 07:20:44 PM EST
    Last night I heard a guy talking about why Mueller had not subpoenaed Trump.  He talked about 3 possibilities.  I don't remember the first 2 but the most likely, he said, was that Trump had become a target.  

    And they don't subpoena targets.

    Whaddya think?

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    Even (none / 0) (#132)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 03:45:16 PM EST
    more interesting  
    the Manhattan Madam Kristin Davis, who went to prison and was connected to former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, is being subpoenaed in the Robert Mueller investigation ... TMZ has learned.

    Davis worked for former Trump aide Roger Stone for a decade, and had numerous interactions with Stone and Andrew Miller -- who ran Davis' campaign for Governor and who was subpoenaed by Mueller a month ago.

    H@@kers, pron stars and playmates, oh my.


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    I still can't believe that the (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 09:11:07 AM EST
    Trump modeling agency hasn't been accused of or discovered to have been arranging sexual encounters with underage girls.

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    Assange going down (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 12:52:35 PM EST
    Wonder what made Equador change its mind about him?

    Oops..Ecuador (none / 0) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 12:54:44 PM EST


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    Anybody want (5.00 / 4) (#204)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 01:59:45 PM EST
    Any zucchini?  Yellow squash?  Patty pans?
    The inundation has begun!
    The big tomatoes are starting, also we've gotten some broccoli.  We picked the last of the lettuce.
    I love our summer garden.

    Check out the photo (5.00 / 2) (#208)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 23, 2018 at 08:35:09 AM EST
    David Bowie's first demo track discovered in old bread basket
    Bowie, 16, was singing I Never Dreamed on tape, which was turned down by music firm

    Regarding the N word (5.00 / 4) (#209)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 24, 2018 at 12:40:57 PM EST
    It's not that complicated. Generally speaking it's an ugly word with hideous connotations that no one should use unless you're a Twain or a Faulkner or a Richard Wright or Toni Morrison who is writing about their experience immersed in an environment in which the word was wielded with regularity.

    Tarantino, imo, is too much of a facile coked-out twit to do anything creative with it other than exploit for the purposes of his brand of cheap "gritty realism." IMHO.

    The social rule is, AAs are allowed to use a variation of it -- in the same way that Jews and Gypseys etc are given a certain leeway to make biting, ironic 'jokes' about the Holocaust -- even though many AAs detest the word and would never use it under any circumstances.

    Of course, people who have a secret Stand Your Ground fantasy may have a longing to try the word out in public. That's a wild card that we now have to contend with.

    New food... (none / 0) (#1)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 04:02:08 PM EST
    at this year's Iowa State Fair - deep fried pecan pie on a stick. Also, cookie dough spaghetti?!?

    No foolin'.

    Fair food. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 04:45:18 PM EST
    You gottta love it. If it's not bad for you it's not good fair food.

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    I'm thinkin (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 05:12:06 PM EST
    Deep fried pecan pie on a stick could only be made better by somehow adding bacon

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    Believe me... (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:58:00 PM EST
    there is no shortage of pork and pork by-products at the ISF.

    Only fitting as there are more pigs than people and some of the people (King, Grassley, Erntz, Reynolds) are more like pigs.

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    Ugh! That sounds ghastly! (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:10:12 AM EST
    But then, I'm not really a bacon-lovin' kind of guy. If I do eat it, it's really got to be extra crispy, otherwise I won't even touch it. Anything less is nothing more than an undercooked strip of floppy pork fat, and that makes me gag just thinking about it. When we were in South Africa, they always served the bacon at breakfast way undercooked -- or as my wife called it sarcastically, "blanched." Yuck.

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    Pecan pie (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 07:55:37 AM EST
    with bacon

    It's really pretty delicious

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    I forgot to tell you (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:33:07 PM EST
    It's county fair week here too.  I went last night and guess what?  They had deep fried pecan an pie on a stick.

    No bacon.  I had one.  It was a bit heavy.

    Also Donald, soggy bacon is a crime against humanity

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    Cool! (none / 0) (#186)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 11:51:02 PM EST
    Probably not what you want in the high heat and humidity. Did it come with whipped cream? The runner-up to bacon for making things better - real whipped cream. Mmmmm.

    Is it a real fair with animals, crops, jams, quilts and whatnot?

    The Denver County Fair was last week and since Denver is all urban, it is a bit strange compared to what I grew up with. No a butter cow, no swine barn, no 70/80's bands, no free seed/herbicide/fertilizer swag...

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    We have one of those (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 12:53:08 AM EST
    With the cows and pigs.  I called this a county fair but that's not really what it is.

    it's a annual do called The Old Soldiers Reunion

    Or the Reunion for short. It's more like a carnival with rides and stuff.

    The only reason I went in the sweltering heat was to score.  I had been bugging my nephew to get me some weed and he said I should go talk to the carnys.  Which I did.  Successfully.  Hence pecan pie on a stick

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    Note to tourists and tour guides: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 05:09:16 PM EST
    Yes, the current volcanic eruption in Puna is indeed spectacular. That said, Kilauea's east rift zone is not a Disneyland attraction or ride. If you treat it as such, you do so at your own risk and peril.

    And if you are a tour guide or tour boat operator, you have a special obligation on behalf of your clientele to pay particular attention to the numerous warnings issued by Hawaii County Civil Defense, the Hawaii County Police Dept., the State Dept. of Land and Natural Resources, the U.S. National Park Service, the U.S. Geological Survey and the U.S. Coast Guard.

    Yesterday morning's incident in the waters off Kapoho was completely avoidable, had the tour boat captain complied with the current Coast Guard guidelines which require all vessels to remain at least 300 yards offshore from the lava flow entry zone. Witnesses in other vessels reported that he approached as close as 100 yards when the offshore explosion occurred.

    Let's hope that everyone else isn't as foolish.

    Lava Ocean Tours, the lava boat tour operator (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 05:21:24 PM EST
    Lava Ocean Tours, the lava boat tour operator whose 23 passengers were injured Monday morning by lava bombs, had a special permit to come within 50 meters of the lava's ocean entry point, the U.S. Coast Guard said.

    50 meters?!

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    Give or take ;) (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 07:09:55 PM EST


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    Crazy, right? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:40:22 AM EST


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    Yep. 50 meters. I couldn't believe it. (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:46:32 AM EST
    The honchos at the U.S. Coast Guard who saw fit to authorize the issuance to tour boat operators of such permitted exceptions to the general rule ought to have their heads examined. Needless to say, that was extraordinarily recklessm and it won't happen again. This could've been a real disaster. As it stands, one 20-year-old female passenger was left in critical condition by the blast and was later airlifted from Hilo Medical Center to Honolulu's The Queen's Medical Center, after having her femur shattered by a flying hunk of lava. She may lose her leg.

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    So (none / 0) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 05:53:01 PM EST
    it turns out that the tRump WH approved of the timing of the Indictments.
    Today, however, it was announced that the president himself approved the roll-out of the 12 indictments prior to leaving for the NATO meeting and Russia summit, Bloomberg news reported.

    Trump reportedly made the move "in the hopes it would strengthen his hand in the talks, according to accounts from people familiar with the decision."

    Rosenstein gave Trump the option of before the summit or after. Trump chose the former.

     I read somewhere the tRump's advisers had mapped out a tough stance against but instead it turned into dance puppet dance after his little tete a tete and tRump threw out the script. All this is so hard to wrap my mind around.

    Someone (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 06:49:32 PM EST
    apparently was trying to make him do the right thing but it did not work. I have come to the conclusion that Trump will never outright admit that Russia attacked and meddled in our election due to the fact that it makes his win "illegitimate".

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    Illegimitate win. Yes, but only a (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:53:19 AM EST
    part of it.  Admission of a Russian attack and meddling is also of a piece with the conspiracy between the Russians and the Trump campaign, if not Trump himself.

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    The fact (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 06:51:40 PM EST
    that he's having to approve these indictments makes me feel weird. I guess in this case it was because it came from DOJ? I can't remember but Mueller does not need his approval nor does SDNY?

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    No, no. The White House does not (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 07:19:53 PM EST
    have to "approve" any indictment. But DOJ may take political (and particularly national security) considerations into account in exercising discretion (such as timing of release), and in the latter sort of situation may certain consult the State Department, the White House or anyone else in the government.

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    It did seem obviously set up to give him (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 09:06:03 PM EST
    a strong hand going not the meeting, against his will if need be. Not convinced that was his idea, since he never had any intention of playing a strong hand against his puppet master.

    It is hard to grasp this whole thing...

    Manafort's trial starts NEXT WEEK!!!

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    Oh My (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 07:08:47 PM EST
    Bob Corker is downtown and has gotten into the weed. His Twitter is lit.

    Or....someone stole his phone

    What a hoot

    John Kelly accidentally turned (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 07:21:37 PM EST
    The lights out during that Trump charade? Come on! Come on! Who are these boobs? Unreal

    Was that why he was such a newly disturbing shade (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 09:01:44 PM EST
    of orange?

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    Did you see (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 10:33:40 PM EST
    this interview?

    Strange strange color.  Spray tan?

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    The one with the big hat? (none / 0) (#22)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:35:34 AM EST


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    His ears are white :) (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:56:03 AM EST


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    Pantone®<sup>TM</sup>© (none / 0) (#31)
    by leap on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:56:33 AM EST
    colors

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    DEATH BECOMES HIM. (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00:04 AM EST


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    Please flying spaghetti monster (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:14:56 AM EST
    Don't let this ever be a Pantone color of the year until I'm dead.

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    Michael Hayden tweet (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:18:21 AM EST
    And I quote

    OMG OMG OMG


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    He's upset about the walkback? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:22:42 AM EST
    I suppose he has a different grieving cycle than the rest of us. Too many incidents in his personal life where he could trust a President. The rest of us never had that. We aren't shocked by the Trump walkback, we plan for it, every single time.

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    Ha! I enjoyed that twitter thread. (none / 0) (#40)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 12:58:46 PM EST
    When my nieces were aged between 5 and 9, one of their favorite things to do when we visited them was to give my husband a 'makeover' :-). I swear they did a better job than this.
    Seriously though, whoever is doing his tan/makeup needs to be fired.

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    Are you (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 17, 2018 at 08:44:29 PM EST
    marching in front of the white house?

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    I had planned going last (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 04:53:28 AM EST
    Night, but family needed tending. I have signs though now, so I hope it continues. I don't think the protest is over

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    I saw Adam (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 06:26:02 AM EST
    Parkemenko stating that Phillipe Reines was going to be leading them every day until Trump is gone. So yeah, it would seem that you are going to have plenty of chances to go protest considering how likely the GOP is to do anything about this disaster.

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    Alice Paul and her "Silent Sentinels" (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:31:13 AM EST
    of the National Woman's Party picketed in front of the White House six days a week for 17 months (1917-1919) to pressure President Wilson to support women's right to vote. When illegally arrested and thrown in filthy jails, several of them went on hunger strikes despite force-feeding that amounted to torture. What are we doing?

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    I think Trump is going to be similar (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:46:12 AM EST
    Unless something really awful happens. Then the crowd will swell. I need to connect with Claude Taylor and others and get on a "phone tree".

    When I went downtown the day after we discovered that children were being stripped from their families, there was a sign truck driving around the White House and park. A protest vehicle. A few days later on my Twitter feed someone posted a photo of the same truck and I discovered Claude Taylor on Twitter. He is very good at creating protest signage and he's been at protesting Trump for awhile.

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    Kavanaugh in an interview (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:01:04 AM EST
    When asked what rulings should be overturned he hemed and hawyed but eventually admitted the one thing that should be overturned is the independent counsel

    I believe Kavanaugh just sh!t the bed.

    He is now stoppable.

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    Minutes ago (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:06:57 AM EST
    Kavanaugh Would Overturn Independent Counsel Ruling
    July 18, 2018 at 10:41 am EDT



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    Yeah Brett.. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:55:25 AM EST
    "Let's overturn the ruling as soon as Ken Starr and I are finished with our report on Clinton.."

    Where do these hyper-partisan clowns come from? I guess when you're doing God's work for an audience of stupid people, logical and ethical clarity and consistency are negligable considerations.

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    Dan Coats (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:08:05 AM EST
    MUST RESIGN

    today

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    My bad (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:14:08 AM EST
    He said it in 2016

    To much jockularity.

    You have a VERY PUBLIC hearing coming dumbazz.

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    Ooh (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 05:21:15 PM EST
    tonight they are having 13 Mariachi bands playing at the protest.

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    I have started a sign wardrobe (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 05:34:39 AM EST
    Signs tough enough to survive more than one protest.

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    Russian military said that its beginning... (none / 0) (#27)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:01:44 AM EST
    to implement some sort of military agreements that trump made with putin in Helsinki.  But nobody knows what.

    Russia announced it was ready to pursue agreements reached by Presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump "in the sphere of international security," though the White House and Pentagon would not confirm any agreements had been made or offer any details.
    But Trump's troops get it (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 12:04:47 PM EST
    Their commander isn't really THEIR commander.

    I cannot believe what an idiot Trump is.

    For years our nation has had a social disconnect between troops and citizens. Military leaders began to understand this and try to address it during Obama. But I don't remember a complete dismemberment of the troops from the President. Not with Clinton, not with W Bush, not with Obama.

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    House Dems are being blocked (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:59:37 AM EST
    Right now from funding cyber protection for the 2018 midterms!!!

    No news coverage!!!

    John Schnatter hires lawyer (none / 0) (#41)
    by McBain on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 01:10:24 PM EST
    says it was a mistake to resign from Papa John's.

    In his letter, he said Laundry Service wanted to hire rapper Kanye West to represent Papa John's in advertising materials, but Schnatter wasn't on board with the idea because West uses the N-word in his lyrics.

    Schnatter claimed the agency asked if he was racist, and he used the N-word in describing how KFC's Colonel Sanders used to talk. Schnatter said he wouldn't ever use that word -- although he just had.

    I wonder if some at Papa John's wanted Schnatter removed before this incident and might be using it to get their way.  Schnatter offended some when he spoke out against NFL players not standing for the national anthem.

    Who cares? (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 01:59:51 PM EST


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    I believe the phrase... (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 03:04:47 PM EST
    you're looking for is "who gives a schatt, the pizza sucks anyway!"

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    Papa Nasty (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 12:02:25 PM EST


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    Would you prefer I post about (none / 0) (#50)
    by McBain on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 04:36:40 PM EST
    how crazy I think most of you in here are with your Trump obsession? Probably not, so I keep most of that to myself.  This is an open thread.  It's nice to talk about other things.  

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    You know (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 05:12:21 PM EST
    when Trump is considering handing over American citizens to a foreign adversary without any evidence of a crime, does that not concern you? The whole country could turn into the Handmaid's Tale and I'm sure that would be fine with you. Trump gave an enemy of the US a BJ right there in public on the national stage and you would think you would at least be embarrassed.

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    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 05:14:43 PM EST
    It would not be fine

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    I'm concerned every time there's (none / 0) (#55)
    by McBain on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 07:13:44 PM EST
    rush to judgement involving something important.

    I haven't seen the Handmaid's Tale but I think I understand the basic story.....  society takes a giant step back and women lose many rights?  I would not be OK with this.  Maybe I'll check it out but from what I've heard it sounds depressing.  

    I didn't watch the entire Helsinki Summit but I'm pretty sure there wasn't any f*llacio involved.  

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    Until we know about (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 07:30:13 PM EST
    The private two hours it would be unwise to bet on that.

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    It seems like this (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 09:09:06 AM EST
    "Trump is considering handing over American citizens to a foreign adversary without any evidence of a crime"

    Would be right up your alley then.

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    You thought that was literal? (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:50:56 PM EST
    I didn't watch the entire Helsinki Summit but I'm pretty sure there wasn't any f*llacio involved.

    Much like with Trump, with some people it's hard to tell when they're being intentionally obtuse as opposed to when its genuine.  Speaking of which ... tell us more about how - when a President of the United States sides with a murderous dictator who helped put him in office, then sides with that dictator over our own intelligence agencies, then lies about it, then talks about the "incredible idea" of having American citizens/ambassadors questioned by that dictator - we should stop with our silly "obsession".

    Heh.

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    No bl*w j*bs at the Helsinki summit (none / 0) (#110)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 08:15:29 PM EST
    but more and more Im wondering if there weren't some at the annual evangelical Prayer Breakfast.

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    Not fallatio in the literal sense.. (3.50 / 2) (#59)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 09:13:09 PM EST


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    Just to be clear (none / 0) (#79)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 12:07:08 PM EST
    my 2-star rating is an objection to JonDee's assumption that any of us can say what did or did not happen in that closed-door private meeting. I don't want to rush to judgment or jump to conclusions, or anything objectionable like that.

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    Well (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 08:33:53 PM EST
    if you want a quick run down of what happened in Helsinki it's pretty easy. Trump said Putin did not do anything and Trump believes whatever Putin tells him. Trump doesn't believe anything American intelligence says apparently. Hey, even crazy Newt Gingrich thought it was a disaster. That should tell you something.

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    LOL! The Papa John's guy is someone important? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:57:36 AM EST
    In the immortal words of Inspector Jacques Clouseau, "Not any more."

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    You are always cautioning (none / 0) (#74)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 11:24:11 AM EST
    against "rush to judgement."

    But you, sometimes a treasonous SOB is just a treasonous SOB.


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    was supposed to read (none / 0) (#75)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 11:25:02 AM EST
    But you know, sometimes a treasonous SOB is just a treasonous SOB.

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    Trump obsession? (4.80 / 5) (#87)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:41:01 PM EST
    You REALLY don't get it do you? The people here (myself included) voice concerns not because they are obsessed the reprobate who now occupies the White House, but rather because they (we?) are obsessed with future of our Republic. We are obsessed with the image and reputation of the United States on the world stage. I did not serve this country in the US Navy, just to watch some misogynistic, self-absorbed, racist turn it into a third world dictatorship.

    This country has (had?) ideals. High standards of conduct. A sense of right and wrong. We welcomed the dispossessed. We left the light on for you. The people in power today have defecated all over that. And I for one am offended by that. It is a disgrace and I'm embarrassed for my country.

    If that to you is a "trump obsession," then I question your sense of self. You are obviously just another self absorbed millennial who cares about what's good them.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 10:41:11 PM EST
    If you think most of us here are crazy, what exactly are you doing here? Why is this where you spend your time?

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    To be clear, Tracy (none / 0) (#82)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:01:57 PM EST
    I think many in here have Trump induced craziness.  My opinion is you're letting Trump and the media manipulate you.

    As for why I'm here.... you've read my posts.  You know what I like to talk about...

    • High profile legal cases
    • Controversial issues
    • Movies/TV

    The media's Trump obsession has mostly killed the legal case coverage but there's still plenty to talk about.  

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    I can't imagine (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:13:00 PM EST
    That the "Trump Craziness" is going to abate anytime soon. It is called Talkleft.

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    What would it take ? (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:29:27 PM EST
    Fu@king seriously

    What would it take for you think?

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    What would it take (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:31:03 PM EST
    DO YOU THINK.

    I can't turn off spell check on this thing.

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    I have a migraine (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:30:26 PM EST
    So will miss going downtown tonight to hang with even more crazies. Really pi$$e$ me off!  

    I wonder how big the protest is going to be this weekend? I predict yuuuuge

    If Trump thinks he's having a military parade or having Vlad over, whew!

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    Can you imagine (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:54:31 PM EST
    the protests if we have the Polonium murder over to have tea?

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    Actually, (none / 0) (#129)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 02:23:56 PM EST
    Howdy, your original wording "what would it take for you to think?" works even better.   ;-)

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    The nicest thing about "opinions" (none / 0) (#105)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 06:02:25 PM EST
    I think many in here have Trump induced craziness.  My opinion is you're letting Trump and the media manipulate you.

    ... is that they don't have to be supported by facts or even based in reality.  In fact, some opinions intended to defend the orange child in the White House are worth even less than even his incoherent babblings and juvenile word salads.

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    They could have fired him (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 09:16:42 AM EST
    For losing market share and generally having cr@p pizza.  It does seem like Laundry Service also wanted to embarrass him because they got fired.

    But if I'm going to be really upfront here, I think the biggest problem with this topic is that it can easily be boiled down to "super wealthy man running a business poorly resigns over bad PR".

    Whether he meant the word when he said it or not, doesn't change anything about the above statement, and it's hard to care about that.

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    I've never had Papa John's pizza (2.00 / 1) (#83)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    My favorite chain is Round Table.
    I think the biggest problem with this topic is that it can easily be boiled down to "super wealthy man running a business poorly resigns over bad PR".

    Whether he meant the word when he said it or not, doesn't change anything about the above statement, and it's hard to care about that.

    If he was asked to resign because the company wasn't performing well, that should have been made more clear.  Have profits, stock prices gone down in the last few years?  

    Also, what are the rules with using the N-word?  Is it never appropriate to say it?  What about using it in fiction writing like Mark Twain or Quentin Tarantino? Does it matter who says/writes it?

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    According to google (none / 0) (#92)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:44:09 PM EST
    Stock prices peaked in December 2016 and have been dropping pretty steadily since.

    The rest of the economy didn't peak for another year+

    The rules are simple. Times and standards change, treat the past like its in the past, don't be a dumbass in the present.  Frankly, not a big fan of when Quentin Tarantino does it, but the context there is he's portraying someone racist.   For that matter, so was Mark Twain.

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    Mark Twain (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:22:40 PM EST
    wrote in the late 1800's, and yes, even so, he was portraying the racism of the times.
    And for McBain to equate Mark Twain's use of the word with the Papa John guy's is either disingenuous or deliberately and rather maliciously misleading.

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    Huckleberry Finn has been pulled from (none / 0) (#162)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 03:55:28 PM EST
    some schools' required reading lists.  So has Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird.  It's not clear, exactly when, how and by whom that word can be used.

    I don't think those books should be removed from schools in any way but if I was a teacher, I'm not sure how I would go about reading aloud, or asking students to read aloud, certain passages.

    I did not "equate" Schnatter's use with Twain's use. I clearly stated we don't know the rules.  We'll probably never learn if we're afraid to have a real conversation about it.  

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    Also (none / 0) (#93)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 03:46:01 PM EST
    You know the rules.   That's why we've had a discussion about it without anyone actually saying it.

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    No I don't know the rules (none / 0) (#94)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:14:16 PM EST
    not all of them at least.  But I do have enough common sense to error on side of not offending people most of the time. Unlike Schnatter.  

    Bill Maher got away with saying the N-word a while ago.  He had to apologize but he kept his job. I think that was the correct decision.  Not sure about pressuring Schnatter out.  At least not the way it's been reported.  
     

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    Bill Maher (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:49:13 PM EST
    Is a comedian which always has a longer leash, although he still caught heat and it wasn't defensible.  More relevant is that he is the product he's selling.  Papa John's will continue to exist without that CEO who has become a liability.   Not saying it's right, it's definitely a bit of a double standard, but it is business, and it's hard to feel too bad when "it's just business" rules screw over the guy who publicly cried about having to charge an extra $0.11 cents per pizza to provide healthcare for his employees.

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    It's impolite (none / 0) (#116)
    by linea on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 09:50:36 PM EST
    Re: `What about using it in fiction writing like Mark Twain'

    I've only ever seen versions that use `slave' as a replacement word.

    I've never had Papa John pizza (I'm not much for pizza). I did not feel it was appropriate for the CEO of that company to advocate against Obama Care and threaten to increase by 14-cents the price of a large pizza. In general, I'm not a fan of celebrities or business owners campaigning on public policy issues. My opinion.

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    What makes them any different than you or I? (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 08:39:24 AM EST
    "In general, I'm not a fan of celebrities or business owners campaigning on public policy issues."

    Why shouldn't a celebrity or business owner advocate for public policy. I do it. What makes them any different? Other than they may have a better platform. To some degree, I appreciate it when a business makes its positions known. Then I can make a decision on whether to spend my money there.

    Around here, there is a local donut chain, Maple Donuts. The owner had Trump signs plastered on all his stores in 2016. Now he has Wagner for Governor signs on all his stores. I will not so much as buy a cup of coffee there. And I drink a LOT of coffee


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    I remember when Schnatter... (none / 0) (#81)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 12:50:40 PM EST
    had a big fund-raiser for Romney at his mansion.  Romney was duly impressed with Schnatter's gaudy wealth.  

    "Who would've imagined pizza could build this. This is really something. Don't you love this country? What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course.... "

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    All we know is what Schnatter said, (none / 0) (#63)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 18, 2018 at 11:30:17 PM EST
    that he used the n-word as part of some lame-ass explanation to the advertising firm of what Col Sanders may or may not have said at some time in the past, and then the ad firm tried to extort PJs for 6 mill.

    All I can say is, to quote Howard Stern's dad, "Don't be stupid, you moron."

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    Here's hoping Ken Scheuer (none / 0) (#71)
    by smott on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 09:54:49 AM EST
    Gets a visit from the FBI today.
    Talk about incitement.
    And he's ex-CIA.

    Do You Mean Michael Scheuer? (none / 0) (#72)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 10:46:02 AM EST
    I assume you are talking about the contents of this link.  I used to agree with Scheuer when he was peddling non interventionism.  However recently, he really has gone off the deep end.

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    Anyone watching (none / 0) (#73)
    by CST on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 11:12:17 AM EST
    The new Sacha Baron Cohen show?

    I haven't yet, but I definitely plan to.  I was a fan of "Da Ali G Show" but I didn't really like his movies that much.  I hope it's more like the former than the latter.

    It is more like the (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 11:53:27 AM EST
    Former. I think you will like it.

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    Saw it (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 11:52:40 AM EST
    Couldn't sleep the night it premiered. I still don't know what to think about what I saw :)


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    Who Is America? (none / 0) (#111)
    by linea on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 08:27:30 PM EST
    I've read the reviews and watched show clips on YouTube.

    He does the same act. As usual, he pretends to be a naïve and idiotically stupid foreigner and takes advantage of other people's politeness.

    In this show he also pretends to be a wounded veteran and takes advantage of other people's politenes.

    The only somewhat new character is:

    Dr. Nira Cain-N'Degeocello 🌊
    @DrNiraCainNDege
    Proud Democrat. Lecturer on Gender Studies at Reed College. Co-Principal at Wildfields Poly-Ed. Stay at home Male Mom. #StillWithHer #Resist #FBR
    Bend, OR

    Where he pretends to be a college professor and lecturer on gender studies and takes advantage of other people's politeness.

    Sacha Baron Cohen also created a fake Twitter account for this character where he pretends to be a US citizen and Hillary supporter and tweets/retweets highly divisive posts on US politics. He is a UK citizen.

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    Josh has been trying to register online (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 12:43:06 PM EST
    To vote in Maryland from the vote.gov site.

    For days now he gets screen prompts to not continue. The site cannot be authenticated.

    What is going on?

    My cousin's daughter (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:27:26 PM EST
    (my cousin, once removed) is already making plans to travel back to Maryland from Mexico City just to vote in November. She is a former Terrapin and maintains a MD driver license at her mother's address in PG County. She loathes Bone Spurs. And loves to tell stories of how the Mexicans think he is a clown.


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    Tell him to try (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 02:55:27 PM EST
    This site.

    It's the Maryland State site.

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    Thank you Z (none / 0) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:24:53 PM EST
    This link seems fine

    What is going on at vote.gov though? That's not funny.

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    Do you have a local chapter of (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:37:33 PM EST
    the League of Women Voters? You might try running your question by someone there.

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    Every time (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:30:27 PM EST
    We have moved to a new state in the past, I have contacted the League of Women Voters to find out how and where to register in that state.  Plus I always look at their Maryland website because they pose questions to the candidates and post their answers.
    I have been giving to the League of Women Voters for 30+ years now.

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    Don't know (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 05:40:21 PM EST
    I've never tried it.
    But I have used the Maryland site to sign up for absentee voting in the past.
    And I have to say, while Maryland screwed the pooch royally initially when the ACA first came out for what the states had to  do for health care, they have been very good about other online things. Voter stuff.  Drivers license and car registration stuff.  Complaints to the state Public Service Commission and the State Attorney General's office.

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    Finger in the eye. (none / 0) (#98)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 04:41:01 PM EST
    Trump is inviting Putin to the White House in fall. The deplorables can help Trump celebrate Putin's help in beating Hillary.  The treachery will be fine with them.  Hope Trump prepares a place for Putin to stay in the WH family quarters. Trump and Melania can move over to Blair House.

    This video (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 07:43:51 PM EST
    is going to be the freakin Zapruder film of 2018

    Another hall of famer video clip will be Aunt Lydia Sanders explaining the president would be meeting with "his team" to discuss turning Ambassador McFaul over to Putin.

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    Aunt Lydia (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 08:42:15 PM EST
    Sanders it still makes me laugh and I absolutely could see her running around Gilead quoting bible verses and "training" women.

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    I've watched the first few minutes (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 10:45:38 AM EST
    Of that video like 20 times.

    It just never gets old.

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    I think Agent Orange is losing it (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 at 09:47:45 PM EST
    Just posted this comment in a Christmas thread cuz that's were the spammer was.  Oops

    Just breaking WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL: COATS HAS GONE TO FAR.
    I was saying Coats should resign. This is even better.  Force him to fire you for telling the truth.
    But Donald is losing his grip.  The last week it's been really clear.  So clear it no longer denialble.  

    Trump is head headed for a crack up like a freight train.  I think he may do something crazy enough to cause an intervention by the cabinet, seriously.

    And yes, I think there are things he is capable of that would for e them to do it.

    Yeah, I could see Trump (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 11:50:14 AM EST
    running around ranting and raving about Martians or running naked across the White House lawn.  

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    Now I have (none / 0) (#130)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 02:27:38 PM EST
    the image of Donnie running naked across the White House lawn stuck in my head and it will require a serious application of brain bleach.

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    Zorba, maybe you should drink (none / 0) (#140)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 07:44:14 AM EST
    some Napa wine.  They are finding traces of Fukushima radio active material in some wines out there.  It might wash that man right out of your mind.

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    Napa wine (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 10:16:22 AM EST
    has radioactive stuff in it? That would be unbelievably devastating.  Napa is the crown jewel of California wines, and thus of the U.S.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 10:22:58 AM EST

    Traces of Fukushima disaster found in Napa wines, but not at hazardous levels

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    RT (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 10:30:05 AM EST
    Radioactive levels are increasing in wine from California's Napa Valley, thanks to the radioactive cloud that drifted from the Fukushima disaster in 2011.
    Researchers from the University of Bordeaux Centre d'Études Nucléaires de Bordeaux-Gradignan (CNRS) in France tested California wine from before and after the Fukushima disaster and found there was double the amount of cesium-137 in its Cabernet Sauvignon after the 2011 tsunami caused the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors to leak.

    The radioactive cloud released by the plant drifted all the way to California's Napa Valley. There, trace amounts of cesium-137 made its way into the vineyard grapes.

    The levels varied depending on the wine, researchers found, with Cabernet Sauvignon reds having a higher amount and rosé having the least.

    Jus sayin

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    Pfft (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 11:49:30 AM EST
    I love you Tracy  

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    Ah-Ha! (none / 0) (#157)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 02:29:10 PM EST
    The French are attacking our Cabernets....They never got over Napa rivaling the Cabernets of France.

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    John Schindler (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 06:52:22 AM EST
    was on CNN and said when you boil it down Trump is either compromised by Putin or he's mentally ill. There is no other choice.

    It would seem that pulling the 25th amendment would possibly be the best possible option for the GOP at this point. It's probably why David Frum was telling the GOP to do it from the beginning.

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 07:12:16 AM EST
    would go with both options.

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    Mentally ill I'm not sure (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 09:18:34 AM EST
    Thats a pretty clinical term.  I would say more likely cracking under the stress.  Which you know must be rising by the hour.  

    You have this guy who has bullish!t his way through his entire life.  The possibility it would stop working I think likely never even occurred to him.

    We have this MASSIVE ego 1000 times more fragile and delicate than an eggshell.

    You have a guy with the walls closing in.

    That 98 to 0 vote in the Senate yesterday left a mark.   It was the first time the congress has fired a shot over his bow.

    Its beginning I think understand just how thin the ice have has been dancing on is.  

    And there is nothing in his past to prepare him for it.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 09:56:15 AM EST
    and technically he is not guilty of treason either, buy in your guts you know he's nuts.

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    On psychotic breaks (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 11:20:55 AM EST
    The Trump supporters are close as well.  I had a conversation with one yesterday.  These people can not be reached.  They are gone.  They may be dummer that a bag of hammers but the have the talking points down.  Ga6th can tell you this.

    I explained that Mannaforts trial starts next week.  And that of the several people around Trump he is the only one charged who has not flipped and now are cooperating with Mueller.

    He said, THATS WRONG.  IF HES GUILTY HE SHOUKD GO TO JAIL.  WHY IS HE NOT JUST GOING TO JAIL?

    I said, first, he will go to jail.  The only question is 5 years or life.  

    WHY SHOULDNT HE GO TO JAIL ?

    Because it's worth it to nail Trump.

    But this is what penetrated.
     Al Capone was nailed for tax evasion.  They are approaching this exactly like an investigation of organized crime.

    He then literally started screeching gibberish and ran out of the room.

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    I mentioned (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 01:20:03 PM EST
    that Trump was probably going to die in prison. He's been running this scam for decades in NY and it's finally catching up with him. I have gotten gibberish and one said I didn't like Obama and I never said anything that mean about him. It's like you say. They don't even understand what the heck is going on. They think this is all because we don't like Trump. I just tell them I'm not a "like" person because that's an excuse for lazy analysis. I tell them I am just going on the facts of what we know so far and list that there are quite a number of investigations going on. The thing that really reams them though is when I point out Trump stole 7 bucks out of his charity to pay his son's boy scout fee. That makes him look cheap and makes them have to either think that maybe Trump is not as wealthy as he claims or he is a crook.

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    Speaking of psychotic breaks (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 07:29:18 PM EST

    Barr abruptly yells, "I thought the b!tch was white," referring to Jarrett. She also wants to talk about how Jarrett "wrote the Iran deal."



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    And then she smiled, and took a drag (none / 0) (#163)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 04:15:18 PM EST
    I think she had the "break" planned out. At least the claim that she thought Jared was white.

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    All I can say is (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 06:14:06 PM EST
    A better plan is needed

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    I think she's cooked (none / 0) (#175)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:32:47 PM EST
    I don't know how an entertainer recovers from anything she's noted for doing lately.

    She doesn't seem able to discern functional boundaries.

    I think Trump can have a very adverse affect on someone with mental health challenges. Even peeps who don't have those issues having a rough time with all this. Everyone I know is drinking more alcohol. Even peeps I know who are very physically fit and normally rely on exercise for stress relief.

    At one party last weekend I was the sober one babysitting. How did that happen?

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    Ugh... well that was a nightmare. (none / 0) (#164)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 05:19:00 PM EST


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    Maybe the worst call I've ever seen in (none / 0) (#133)
    by McBain on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 05:54:09 PM EST
    in baseball

    Avenatti (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 07:22:31 PM EST
    Just suggested he might become Cohen's lawyer.

    First wow

    Second can he do that while the other case is happening?

    First (none / 0) (#138)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 07:33:11 PM EST
    Tom Arnold, then Avenatti then...
    Michael Cohen, the president's erstwhile personal lawyer, has renewed his friendship with another larger-than-life New Yorker: Rev. Al Sharpton.

    The pair tweeted about a recent get-together on Friday but shared scant details about what they discussed.

    "I bet you're wondering what we could be talking about! Stay tuned," wrote Sharpton, the host of MSNBC's "PoliticsNation."

    Link

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    Cohen (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 20, 2018 at 08:43:17 PM EST
    is going to start hanging out with every liberal he can. He's got Lanny Davis for PR and that has to be driving Trump crazy. Every "enemy" Trump has Cohen is probably going to start hanging out with. I'm waiting for the ultimate explosion to happen and Cohen starts hanging out with the Obamas or the Clintons. That might just do Trump in.

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    Avenatti is not a federal criminal defense lawyer (none / 0) (#151)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 12:27:34 PM EST
    So I would say that would not be a good choice for Cohen. Wrong specialty, no matter how good he might be at what he does best. Ethically, it is at best pretty questionable to try to represent someone who has a reasonable chance of being viewed as a witness against another client (i.e., if there was an allegation of illegality in Cohen's role in arranging pay-offs to Clifford ("Stormy"), then she could be in the position of being a witness against him, and the two could not have the same lawyer. Even representing two "cooperators" against the same target can be dicey, although lots of lawyers would agree to do that and many judges would allow it if challenged (although I know some would not).

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    Re: `Ethically' (none / 0) (#156)
    by linea on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 01:31:44 PM EST
    No idea why people here are Avenatti fans. From all reports he has all sorts of questionable business dealings. He keeps losing lawsuits worth millions of dollars but no one can collect because he may or may not be Avenatti and Associates or Eagan Avenatti or Avenatti Law LLC or some such nonsense.

    Seattle Times: Before Stormy Daniels, her attorney faced allegations of dubious business dealings at Tully's Coffee

    Since his investment firm bought bankrupt Tully's Coffee for $9.15 million at auction five years ago, Avenatti's company has been named in more than 50 state and federal legal complaints, including commercial lawsuits, breach of lease actions and warrants for unpaid taxes, court records show.

    All the while, Tully's has shuttered store after store -- from Everett to Bellevue, Tacoma to Seattle, and beyond -- with employees left in limbo, landlords left unpaid and customers left holding now seemingly worthless loyalty cards.

    And late last month, the list of grievances against Avenatti only intensified, with new allegations of wrongdoing.

    In a complaint submitted to the California State Bar Association -- and cc'd to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Seattle -- Bellevue attorney David Nold asserts Avenatti carried out an illegal "pump and dump" scheme through his Washington state-registered Tully's ownership firm, Global Baristas US, LLC.


    The article also asserts:
    March, arbitration on a former law partner's claim that Avenatti's firm owed him $14 million was about to start when a mysterious creditor filed an involuntary Chapter 11 petition against the law firm for $28,700 in unpaid services, according to court filings. The petition plunged Avenatti's firm into bankruptcy proceedings, postponing the arbitration.

    A federal bankruptcy judge later commented the case had a "stench of impropriety," and the mystery creditor was never located. Avenatti later transferred $100,000 from Global Baristas to retain a Florida law firm to handle the bankruptcy, court records show.
    ...

    Shortly before a sheriff's auction was set to occur, Avenatti filed claims the property didn't belong to Global Baristas, the subject of the judgment, but to another LLC, Global Baristas US. The move delayed the auctions, Green said, forcing him to seek judgments against both LLCs.

    Read the whole article. Feel free to Google his other lawsuits and judgments too.

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    Hahahahahahaha! (none / 0) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 02:43:15 PM EST


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    linea working PeterG ? (none / 0) (#159)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 02:43:49 PM EST


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    No idea (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 05:35:33 PM EST
    Period

    That's what ive been saying.

    Finally we agree.

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    We agree (none / 0) (#180)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:40:23 PM EST


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    Probably depends (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:25:17 PM EST
    On what the definition of "lawyer" is.

    I doubt Lanny Davis is intended to be "that kind" of lawyer

    If he wants a t.v. gunslinger, which he will almost certainly need, it would be hard to do better.

    Did you see my question above?

    Also "4" ?

    Did you feel guilty for laughing?

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    Indict Putin (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 09:54:46 AM EST
    There has been some chit chat recently about this.  I am not a lawyer and I don't play one here.  But this guy is

    Budowsky was an aide to former Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas) and former Rep. Bill Alexander (D-Ark.), who was chief deputy majority whip of the U.S. House of Representatives. He holds an LLM in international financial law from the London School of Economics.

    This is an old op-ed.  Which I think is relevant.  Consider all that's happened since 11/8/17.

    Based on publicly available evidence there is a compelling case that special counsel Robert Mueller could indict Russian dictator Vladimir Putin for crimes involving multiple violations of American law, as the U.S. once indicted former Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega.

    Alternatively, in a course of action I would recommend Mueller consider, he could name Putin as an unindicted co-conspirator for any crimes that could be documented with facts and detailed under law.

    LINK

    you have this admit it would add an interesting new layer to the upcoming White House visit.

    Unlikely (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 11:52:57 AM EST
    Most likely

    Before the next summit, Trump will scream fake news fake news fake news as we all discuss how he is compromised.

    Then the summit, right before midterms, Trump vanquishes Putin in front of all of us. Staged. Great celebration among Trump supporters and most Republicans. Re-energized Republican vote and it will turn out that the news is all fake.

    Right out of Russian active measures playbook. We are in deep trouble I think.

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    Pardon (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 11:58:57 AM EST

    What if he pardons him ?,

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    When does this legal situation (none / 0) (#150)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 12:17:33 PM EST
    Become something the public really gets to know about or understand?

    All Trump really must do is hang onto power after the midterms. The public aren't junkies like us. They have a short political memory and attention span.

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    The 30% (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    Will never know or understand

    They must be beaten.  Owned.

    They must be as scorned as Trump cabinet members and know they don't deserve to live in this country.  They should just fu@king move to Turkey or Cuba or Russia or some other autocracy.

    They are not Americans and they should not be treated as if they are.

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    Very sad (3.50 / 2) (#167)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 05:59:43 PM EST
    Intolerance and discrimination should not be encouraged.  They key to making changes is at the ballot box.

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    Pretty sure that is what Howdy (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:38:50 PM EST
    Was talking about

    I have never known him to advocate for actual violence. And he would never visit physical horrors upon others that are visited upon members of the LGBTQ community. Just not who he is

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    Doesn't sound like he's talking about voting (1.50 / 6) (#195)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 11:16:23 AM EST
    Tracy.  Doesn't sound like he's promoting strong candidates for change.  Sounds more like he's advocating making life uncomfortable, in some way, for people he doesn't agree with.  That's sad and ugly.


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    F U McBain (5.00 / 3) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 11:19:09 AM EST
    You are a tool

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    Reasonable people... (1.50 / 10) (#207)
    by linea on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 06:12:36 PM EST
    CaptHowdy posts:
    They must be as scorned as Trump cabinet members and know they don't deserve to live in this country.  They should just fu@king move to Turkey or Cuba or Russia or some other autocracy.  They are not Americans and they should not be treated as if they are.

    McBain replies with a call for civility:

    Very sad (2.00 / 1) (#167)
    by McBain
    Intolerance and discrimination should not be encouraged.  They key to making changes is at the ballot box.

    CaptHowdy replies with an irrational vulgar insult and gets high-5s from KeysDan & fishcamp:

    F U McBain (5.00 / 2) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy
    You are a tool


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    Is it "sad and ugly"? (5.00 / 6) (#198)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 11:42:59 AM EST

    Sounds more like he's advocating making life uncomfortable, in some way, for people he doesn't agree with.  That's sad and ugly.

    You have a POTUS that excuses and even defends attacks on our democracy (and likely participated in them), who defends neo-nazis, supports credibly accused pedophiles, attacks war heroes and gold star families, mocks disabled reporters, attacks the free press on a daily basis, lies blatantly multiple times a day, engages in misogynistic attacks and brags about sexually assaulting women, promotes conspiracy theories, etc., etc.  His followers and defenders support/defend/outright agree with his statements and conduct, and YOU think the "sad and ugly" part is that they'll be made to feel "uncomfortable"???

    Awwwwwwe.  I guess you (and they) will just have to get over that.

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    Lenny Pozner (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 01:56:26 PM EST
    and his family were driven from the neighborhood they were living in in Florida by "un-pc" Trumpster f*ckwads who said they were crisis actors.

    Speaking of people being made uncomfortable.

    Do you think the people Howdy's talking about were Ever comfortable, even in their own skin? They seem to think they're under seige by the Deep State, immigrants, secularists, gun-grabbers, and queers.

    To experience a state of harmony with their fellow citizens would be too much of shock to their systems.

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    Like our new rightwing (none / 0) (#200)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 01:30:27 PM EST
    Dog whistles we should do to LGBTQ citizens? You mean that?

    LGBTQ folks should just be doormats huh? Never call any of that out? Suggest that society could/should shun and embarrass the bullying shunners and embarrassers?

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    I love you (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 10:09:06 AM EST


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    I appreciate your candor and honesty (none / 0) (#202)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 01:34:37 PM EST
    And that is really the only way that those of us who aren't LGBTQ are going to understand how badly others are being hurt and damaged. By listening and being told how it really is.

    My understanding of those issues increased exponentially by following your comments here.

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    The paradox of tolerance (5.00 / 6) (#184)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 10:19:02 PM EST
    is how the tolerant and open-minded should treat the intolerant and bigoted. Howdy's point, however rudely expressed, is right on target. The intolerant, who disdain reason, logic and open-mindedness, like to pretend that they have discovered hypocrisy in the tolerant by pointing out that we are critical of the intolerant. But "tolerance" does not require that we accept close-mindedness as equal in value to other ways of approaching ideas. It is not. By claiming already to be in possession of truth that allows for no further dialog, intolerance is antithetical to a real search for truth and thus is, to say the least, of a lesser social value.

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    I'm done Peter (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 10:02:51 AM EST
    Done

    I have watched this unfold from the point of view of a person surrounded by delusion.

    Im done.  Going forward, the fu@king gloves are off.  

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    I do understand how you feel (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 11:38:08 AM EST
    and the sound basis you have for feeling that way. I do.

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    Intolerate this (3.75 / 4) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 06:08:04 PM EST


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    No charges yet in Florida self defense case (none / 0) (#161)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 03:21:46 PM EST
    This article suggests that Michael Drejka hasn't been charged because of Florida's stand your grand law but I don't think this is a stand your ground case.  Drejka was knocked to ground and didn't have time to retreat.

    The real question is if the regular self law justifies the shooting since the man who was shot, Markeis McGlockton, appears to have taken a couple steps back once the gun was drawn. Just like in the Michael Slager criminal case, it's might come down to a determination of time.... how much time is needed to observe and understand the threat is no longer present? More specific to this case, how much time does it take to rush someone with a gun who's only a few feet away?

    I imagine Drejka will eventually face some kind of state or federal charge or civil case.

    "This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he'll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there'll be no charge. Period. If he doesn't concur, then he'll make a determination as to what to do with it.


    Florida again (none / 0) (#172)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 07:58:52 PM EST
    I bet if they studied the issue in-depth, they'd find that people who are packing tend to be more aggressively confrontational with others than they'd otherwise be. Forcing the issue, as it were..

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    I doubt that's true (none / 0) (#174)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:28:21 PM EST
    of people who are legally carrying a gun.  

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    Seriously? (none / 0) (#177)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    because only stable, non-violent people legally carry guns?

    You think if that guy hadn't been packing, he would've stll gotten into it with the guy in the handicapped spot? I doubt it.

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    The shooter didn't confront the guy he shot (none / 0) (#181)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:52:03 PM EST
    he was upset with that guy's girlfriend for parking in a handicapped spot.  The guy who got shot, walked up and assaulted the shooter.

    There are a few different questions here...
    Does owning a gun make one more aggressive?
    Does legally carrying a gun in public make one more aggressive?  I'm specifically skeptical of the second question.

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    I imagine a lot of these big, bad (none / 0) (#201)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 01:31:54 PM EST
    heat-packers at home talking to themselves in the mirror like DeNiro in Taxi Driver.

    Are you talking to me?

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    I've always been a bit (none / 0) (#182)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 08:55:02 PM EST
    of a Freudian on the gun issue. I think a lot of people carry guns because they have an unacknowledged desire to shoot someone.

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    I'm sure that's true with some (none / 0) (#183)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 09:05:49 PM EST
    but there's going to be others who understand getting into a confrontation could have serious consequences and therefore be extra cautious.

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    SNOWFALL (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 06:11:55 PM EST
    Just started a new season.  This is good stuff.  It's the story of the rise of rock cocaine in the days of Reagan and the contras.

    FX

    You should definitely watch the first season.

    Also OUTCAST just started a new season.  Equally good stuff.

    Probably a good one to bookend (none / 0) (#171)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 21, 2018 at 07:54:22 PM EST
    with the film about Gary Webb, Shoot The Messenger.

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    Oh my (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 09:47:38 AM EST
    Funny Hair Gowdy might have some 'splainin to do.
    He signed off of the silly house actions after being one of only a few who actually saw the evidence just released.

    Trump-Russia: Carter Page surveillance documents released

    In a statement, she said: "Despite President Trump's repeated claims, these documents provide clear evidence of 'Russia's co-ordination with Carter Page,' a high-ranking Trump campaign official, 'to undermine and improperly and illegally influence the 2016 US presidential election'."

    She added: "The GOP (Republican Party) must cease their attacks on our law enforcement and intelligence communities, and finally decide where their loyalty lies."

    My brothers and sisters, this is another brick in a remarkably meticulously constructed wall.

    A wall that is closing in on Gowdy, Nunes, Gomert, Trump and l the flying fu@king monkeys.

    My advise.  Stock up on liquor pot and popcorn.  

    And fresh Mahi-mahi... (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 10:21:24 AM EST


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    If possible (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 10:31:14 AM EST
    That too

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    Every time a Republican door is opened... (5.00 / 5) (#199)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 22, 2018 at 12:48:49 PM EST
    another f'ing Russian falls out.

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