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By Jeralyn, Section Colorado News
Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 02:30:28 PM EST
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I had jury duty this morning in state court. They want you there by 7:30 a.m. That is really, really early. They don't start sending you to the courtroom till almost 10. There's virtually no parking so I took an Uber. But, I was late, and even though they had just started sending jurors to courtrooms, they said I have to do the whole thing again in two weeks. I don't mind, I just wish it were at 1:00 pm instead of 7:30 a.m.

I've been doing this periodically for decades and I've never been picked. What prosecutor is going to leave a practicing criminal defense lawyer on a jury? But Colorado has no occupational restrictions, so it's mandatory. (With a potential 6 month jail term if you fail to show up.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Anti-Israel (5.00 / 8) (#12)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:44:18 AM EST
    is NOT anti-Semitic. Nor anti-American. The kerfuffle over a tweet by Congressperson Ilhan Omar is complete BS. I agree with her. AIPAC is a lobbying organization that seeks out loyalty to Israel by US politicians.

    What she wrote:

    "Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman! I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on committee. The people of the 5th elected me to serve their interest. I am sure we agree on that!"

    Now Congressperson Scalise is claiming she can't be trusted with intelligence information. Because she won't claim fealty to, wait for it, ISRAEL.

    Speaking of foreign governments (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 09:06:23 AM EST
    meddling in U.S elections..

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    They at least seem (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:48:17 AM EST
    To have reconsidered the second "bad girl" resolution.  Or st least broadening it to include other religions.

    There was massive push back from both within and without.

    I have been over Israel for a loooooong time.  They absolutely have to much say on US policies.  Almost entirely because of Christian end timers.

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    Of course it's catnip (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:52:07 AM EST
    For the idiotic bobble heads who love the discord on the left meme more that anything.

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    The criticism (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 05:20:41 AM EST
    was due to her couching the criticism in antisemitic tropes not the fact that she was criticizing Israel here

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    There's a couple problems with this (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by CST on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 09:54:17 AM EST
    And the biggest one is the blatant double standard for criticizing any other group,  like say Muslims, or women in general, or people using actual slurs, and never getting anything remotely close to this  kind of backlash.

    The other problem is that these "tropes" now apply more to right-wing evangelicals who use Israel as a weapon than it does to Jews themselves.

    I'm not saying that Omar is immune to stereotyping and bias.  But frankly, neither is the backlash. And I don't doubt for a second that someone else would get the benefit of the doubt in a way that she doesn't because of the scarf on her head.

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    The truth (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 04:19:18 PM EST
    is that Republicans can run Nazis for office and nobody says anything but yes, Ilhan says this and gets rained on.

    However, I think Nancy Pelosi is going to be taking care of your concerns with the resolution. She's going after white nationalism, antisemitism and Islamophobia in one fell swoop.

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    So (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 04:36:42 PM EST
    23 House republicans voted against a resolution condemning hate.

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    Including (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 04:44:47 PM EST
    Liz Cheney

    Great line from Chuck Terd

    "Is there any plan to educate her on the fact the her (entirely legitimate) criticisms are "long time anti Semitic tropes""

    Parentheses mine.

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    I have to say (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 05:41:58 PM EST
    I looked at the list and expected to see my rep on there but he was not. I was kind of shocked.

    Remember also apparently two of those are indicted on felonies with one going to trial this year and one going to trial in 2020.

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    Where Did King Vote ? (none / 0) (#77)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 08:44:19 AM EST


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    Present (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 09:36:47 AM EST
    People are, you know, watching.

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    In the midst of a measles outbreak, ... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 06:23:42 PM EST
    ... New York City's Department of Health issued an order requiring all schools to prohibit unvaccinated students from attending. The administrators of a yeshiva in Brooklyn decided to ignore it. As a result, one of those unvaccinated students infected 21 classmates.

    Up north in Moncton, New Brunswick, a local high school was ground zero for an outbreak of pertussis (whooping cough), again due to an unvaccinated student. Fortunately, they're now on spring break, which mitigates further mass exposure.

    I'm sorry but in this day and age, there was no reason for measles to be showing up again in our communities. The willful failure to inoculate an otherwise eligible child against once-common childhood diseases such as measles, pertussis, varicella (chicken pox), etc., amounts to near-criminal negligence.

    Our parents and grandparents didn't have that option when we were growing up, because there were no vaccines save for smallpox and polio. Now there are, so for Heaven's sake, make sure you get your kids and grandkids vaccinated. Who knows, the life you save may well be your own or that of a family member.

    And while you're at it, make sure that your own vaccination records are up to date, too. For example, there's a shingles vaccine out now. I didn't get one, and I'm regretting it because I now have it -- which is why I'm b*tching at you about this subject.

    Nuf ced.

    I got the shingles vaccine also (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 07:41:29 PM EST
    After getting shingles

    I had no idea I had it.  It was just and few tiny bumps on the side of my head but it hurt like hell.  I can't even imagine what it must feel like to have it like some of those awful pictures that come up when you google.

    Btw
    I believe you are supposed to wait (6 months I think) after an outbreak to get the vaccine.

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    My husband (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:12:18 PM EST
    had the shingles and it was on his head too. He is bald so he had me look at the back of his head and tell him what was going on. I said I have no idea. It looks like some kind of rash. The next day he had me look at it again and asked me if it was getting bigger and I said yes. So he went to the doctor and got the meds for it. It was odd because anybody else I have known that came down with the shingles had it in a lot of places on their body and were purely miserable. All he had was this spot on his head.

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    Shingles trivia (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:18:45 PM EST
    You can not have it on one side of your body.

    The head is the most dangerous place to have it because it's very very bad if it gets in your eyes.

    I also only hade like three tiny red bumps.  But like I said it hut like hell. Incredibly painful.

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    Oops (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:20:10 PM EST
    Can only have it on one side

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    Also (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 05:13:15 PM EST
    Apparently shingles is a type of herpes

    A while back, I think maybe when I went on Medicare, I got a list from my doctor of everything I had ever been treated for and herpes was on the list.

    I said wait, what, I don't have and have never had herpes.

    Yep, you did, he said.  When you had shingles

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    Chicken pox... (none / 0) (#159)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    is the same virus that causes shingles.

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    The virus is called varicella zoster. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 07:26:53 PM EST
    The origin of the name "chickenpox" has several variations, including one that it's a herpes virus that originated in fowl, and then mutated to become transmittable to humans. Regardless, a varicella infection and / or flare-up is not to be taken lightly, because it is a highly communicable virus with a 90% rate of successful aerial transmission among the non-immunized.

    Shingles is also known as herpes zoster, and persons suffering from a shingles outbreak can transmit varicella via physical contact with those who've never had it, which will lead to chickenpox.

    Chickenpox is most common in children between the ages of 4 and 10, but it may lead to very serious complications in adults who get it, including varicella-related pneumonia, hepatitis and myocaditis. For some reason, chickenpox's effects tend to be much more severe in adult males than adult females, and can be lethal to those who already suffer from an immunocompromised system.

    So, get the vaccine and safe yourselves a lot of grief later on.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 05:24:17 PM EST
    I was just reading.  I guess the eye/head kind is it's own thing

    In about 10 to 20 percent of people with shingles, the rash appears in and around the eye. This type of shingles is called ophthalmic herpes zoster, or herpes zoster ophthalmicus.



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    My outbreak is on my chest's right pectoral. (none / 0) (#140)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:54:52 PM EST
    It started under my right arm on the edge of the armpit, and has since spread down to the edge of my rib cage and across to my sternum. It's confined to that quadrant, probably because I went to the doctor right away when I first noticed it. She prescribed me acyclovir and said I should start feeling better by the middle of next week. But in the meantime, yes, it hurts like hell right now, especially when I lower my right arm. I stayed home from the office yesterday and slept a lot.

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    Did you get both shots? (none / 0) (#152)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 03:41:42 PM EST
    Got my second one last Tuesday and my arm still hurts like hell.

    Still, better than getting shingles again. Had it last Fall - started around my left ear and spread down my neck and across my face and scalp. Very, very lucky it didn't get into my eye.

    Never want to go through that again.

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    How long is the wait between shots? And (none / 0) (#155)
    by caseyOR on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 04:45:24 PM EST
    how painful is the shot? The shingles vaccine is the last on my list of vaccines. Get the flu shot every year. Have gotten all pneumonia vaccines including a booster last fall. Got the tetanus/ whooping cough one.

    Now I just need the shingles vaccine.

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    I need to ask my doctor (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 05:05:57 PM EST
    About the second shot.  I don't specifically remember.

    For me the shot was not terrible

    I remember a little soreness.

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    A couple of months. (none / 0) (#158)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 05:15:08 PM EST
    It was the most painful one(s) I've gotten. Burns going in and the arm is pretty sore afterwards.

    They warned me about the arm being sore, so wasn't suprised by that but didn't expect it to last so long.

    The new vaccine (non live virus) was in short supply for quite some time but seems to be catching up to demand now.

    Since I'm immune system is compromised, I have little choice in getting all the vaccines but had to wait for the new shingles vaccine.

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    Two to six months (none / 0) (#163)
    by Zorba on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 07:01:01 PM EST
    Between the first Shingrix shot and the second.

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    I finally was able to get the first (none / 0) (#169)
    by leap on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:33:38 PM EST
    of the two Shingrix shots a couple of weeks ago. I'd been trying to find some place that had it since last spring, but there has been a nationwide shortage for months and months; it's imported from Great Britain. Costco had it, but barely.  

    It's the latest and greatest, apparently, and you need two shots, 2-6 months apart. They ain't cheap, either. I will end up paying for it, since I never meet my drug deductible. $165 for each shot. Costco was the least expensive, even at that price, believe it or not, of the five or six pharmacies/clinics I called. It's outrageous it costs so much. So many people could not afford that.

    But boy howdy, I had really bad side-effects, which are pretty common for this shot. That has never happened to me before with other vaccinations, so I didn't give a thought about getting it. But my arm was so sore right after the shot, I couldn't lift it, and it was still like that the next morning. I got a fever (99.5°) that night, and felt like cr@p. I had that same temperature for 30 hours. My lower back hurt, I was verging on a wicked headache, had no energy, couldn't sleep. Spaced out. Had no appetite and couldn't eat, close to nausea. Slept all day, and then went to bed early. Cripes. fu¢k that $hi†. It felt like the flu. By the next morning I was seriously considering to he££ with that second shot. My doctor said I should get this, even though I've had shingles, and had the other shingles vaccine, Zostavax. This one supposedly is 90% effective against getting shingles (if the shot doesn't kill you first), and lasts longer. The other shingles vaccination was effective for less than five years, apparently.

    I called the pharmacist at Costco and told her about the reactions I had. She was completely sympathetic AND empathetic, since she had had that first shot, too, and what I was describing was exactly what she had experienced. Except her side-effects lasted THREE days, not one, as did mine. Her arm was so sore, the pain woke her up. She said some of the literature says these side effects happen to about 1 in 6 people, but from what she has seen and heard, it is more like 9 in 10. She doesn't want that first shot to go for nothing, so she'll get the second, but she has to plan it better so that she has it on a Friday, not during the work-week. She expects to be out of commission for two or three days. She wants to be in the 97% of those who would be protected by having this vaccination.

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    That's weird (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:51:34 PM EST
    Maybe mine was a dud.  I remember a bit of soreness and stiffness but nothing terrible

    I will ask my doc about that too.

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    Got mine at the VA (none / 0) (#186)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:02:13 PM EST
    there are big signs in the lobby advising vets to get them.  Got the first one and there was a delay in getting the second one due to a shortage.  I called my primary care provider about the delay and he said it was not a problem.

    My arm was a little sore, kinda like a punch in the arm, but next day it was gone.

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    Who Should Get This ? (none / 0) (#192)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:40:41 PM EST
    I am 48 and never had Chickenpox, as I understand it, that means I won't get Shingles ?

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    Just the opposite (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:00:56 PM EST
    As I nderstand it.

    If you had the pox you have the virus and it's likely to re-emerge as shingles.

    Not 100% on that you should  google.

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    It means if you're ever exposed to varicella, ... (none / 0) (#198)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:19:02 PM EST
    ScottW714: "I am 48 and never had Chickenpox, as I understand it, that means I won't get Shingles?"

    ... you'll likely come down with chickenpox, since that virus has a very high rater of transmission. You can only come down with shingles if you've had chickenpox. Anyway, it's probably worthwhile to check with your doctor to see if you've already been inoculated against varicella. (NOTE: The varicella vaccine has only been available in the U.S. since 1995.) If not, he or she can advise you as to whether a vaccine is advisable for an adult your age.

    Aloha.

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    Bread (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by ragebot on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 07:02:50 PM EST
    recipe for no reason.  Got interested in the Keto diet and ran across this recipe.  For lots of folks a Keto diet's biggest problem is no carbs which means no bread.

    I always found it crazy that the US which is one of the richest countries in the world mostly has the worst bread in the world.  In the Bahamas when cruising I can always stop at an out of the way cay and find fresh baked bread better than what I can buy most places in the US.

    As a result I have been baking my own bread for a long time.  But always with carbs.

    This is the basic recipe which can be jazzed up with cheese, garlic and oil, peanut butter and jelly and a host of other things.

    What I like best about it is that I can literally make it in less than five minutes.

    Ingredients for 90 second bread:
    3 tablespoons almond flour
    1 egg
    1/2 teaspoon baking powder
    1/4 teaspoon salt (I just do a pinch of salt)
    1 tablespoon butter, melted
    *optional - 1 tablespoon butter (saved for later)

    Put egg, melted butter, baking power, salt and almond flour in a micro wave safe bowl and mix with a fork for maybe 1-2 minutes.

    Microwave for 90 seconds.  Serves one; or for me serves 1/2.

    I use an Anchor Hocking Classic Glass Food Storage Container but a microwave safe mug will work.

    For breakfast I cut the loaf in half and toast it.

    This is where I stole the recipe from.

    Now, that sounds interesting (none / 0) (#164)
    by Zorba on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 07:03:26 PM EST
    Do you know if any other type of flour except for almond flour can be used?

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    Coconut Flour (none / 0) (#166)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    kinda works.

    Keep in mind this is a Keto recipe so no carbs (or very few) allowed.

    There are lots of Keto recipes for no carb bread using those two flours.  Most use baking soda instead of what I was use to in making bread with wheat flour and bake at lower temperatures; often for a shorter time.

    I have baked some cup cakes with wheat flour in the micro wave, very short time like two minutes but they have a kinda funny texture, not gooey soft but close to it.  I would put them in the toaster oven for a better crust after the micro wave.

    I suspect you need to kneed wheat flour to get it to bake right; but I am not really that experienced a baker.

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    Good bread can be found along (none / 0) (#167)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:17:26 PM EST
    The AlCan hwy. No bread trucks coming through for deliveries so all the lodges, motels and diners along the way bake everything from scratch. Great cinnamon rolls, awesome sourdough. I rode an old '73 74 inch Harley shovelhead from Fort Worth, TX to Fairbanks, Anchorage and Homer, Ak back in June 1995. By way of San Diego for 10 days first, then a few days in Berkeley and on up the Redwood Hwy. Caught the Alaska Marine Hwy in Bellingham, WA. Disembarked with the bike for a couple of days in Juneau, then up to Haines. From there, long stretches through the the Yukon and into mainland Alaska. Drank a beer in the midnight sign at TOK. No ferries on the trip home later that summer. Rode all the way back to mm1 at Dawson Creek, BC. Down through Alberta, into Montana. Got back to Texas by around Sept 1. But the bread on the alcan was my best memory

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    I have lived all over (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:23:27 PM EST
    In my experience NYC has the best bread anywhere.

    I'm sure that's because of all the bread makers coming from all over the world where you could find even better bread but I have not lived there.  One of my favorite things about NYC and what I always missed most is the fresh bread.

    I could never do a low carb diet.

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    Which is not to say (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:54:51 PM EST
    I did not find an excellent bakery in Atlanta or Boston or LA or St Louis or where ever.  Being a bread freak.

    But in Manhattan they are literally on every corner.  Every corner Greek coffee shop has amazing fresh bread delivered every day.  It's bread heaven.

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    YEP (none / 0) (#172)
    by jmacWA on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 05:48:32 AM EST
    The best bread, and the best (maybe only) bagels.

    The Corona Bakery in Queens had the best Italian bread I have ever had.  Also had this great pignoli pie.

    Bagel Oasis Utopia parkway at the LIE.  REAL bagels, used to be open 24 hrs (but that was 20 years ago so who knows now)

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    One of my favorite (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 08:28:50 AM EST
    Throw away scenes in a movie is in Michael Clayton when Clayton is looking all over for the Tom Wilkenson character and finds him wandering around with, like, as many loafs of fresh bread as he can carry.  

    "Just smell that" he says.

    Such a perfect Manhattan in joke.

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    Tom Wilkenson (none / 0) (#190)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:27:55 PM EST
    effin killed it in that movie.

    You think you have the horses for that? Well good luck and god bless, but the last place you wanna see me is in court.

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    Tom Wilkinson is awesome in just (none / 0) (#200)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:48:23 PM EST
    about every movie he is in.

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    Bagel Oasis... (none / 0) (#175)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 08:32:30 AM EST
    is still there, and still open 24 hours.  It's always my pit stop on the trek home to LI after shows in the city.

    I've been told the secret ingredient that makes NY pizza and bagels so good is NYC tap water.  Can't be replicated in other locales.

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    I am Envious (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by jmacWA on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 08:47:19 AM EST
    Haven't had a good bagel in a LONG time.

    You can find good pizza outside of NY, but I have never found better bagels.

    I have also heard the same thing regarding the tap water in NY, it was said to be responsible for the tasty Italian bread.

    I moved out of NYC in 1976, so I can no longer say if it is true or not, but I found the water in NYC to be among the best publicly supplied water I ever had... only topped by the water I got on Bainbridge Island in WA.

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    Still true... (none / 0) (#178)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 09:03:42 AM EST
    NYC tap is as clean, crisp, and tasty as ever.  Why anybody in the boroughs pays for bottled water is beyond me!

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    I agree (none / 0) (#173)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 06:09:08 AM EST
    A lot of food in general. My youngest son loves Italian food so when we were in NYC, we took him to an Italian restaurant just so he would know how it is supposed to taste.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#180)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 09:28:02 AM EST
    The short time I spent as an OTR truck driver, I used to deliver beef (from Texas) to the meat packing district in Manhattan. There was bakery nearby. I would hit that place and stock up every chance I had. Loaves of semolina bread, bagels, etc.

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    While you can find good bread (none / 0) (#187)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:07:44 PM EST
    in the US you have to look for it.  Even a place like Walmart has decent bread in the bakery.  Problem is the bread on the shelves in Walmart, and every other big grocery store, far exceeds the number of loves sold in the bakery.

    I always found the best food, bread included, in New Orleans.  I was also impressed by Las Vegas for good food, and bread.  There is a Nathan's Hotdog place in the New York, New York Hotel that seemed to be better than the original in Coney Island; it certainly was cleaner.

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    I remember notorious expat Henry Miller (none / 0) (#195)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 02:12:18 PM EST
    saying the only thing most American bread was good for was patching a hole in the roof, urinal cakes, and target practice.

    The James Bread bread book is a really good resource though.

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    "adlerpoems" update (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Dadler on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 09:50:41 AM EST
    ADLERPOEMS, to be released soon (I swear, a month at the most), will be part of Dr. Cicero Books' contingent at the 2019 Poets House Showcase. If you are in NYC this summer and want to see it on a Great American Library Shelf, and not just on a web page, then check it out. And enjoy the best our poetry has to offer. XO to all.

    Other new Dr. Cicero Books in the showcase:

    CHEROKEE ROAD KILL by Celia Bland

    and

    LET'S BURN THE FLAGS OF ALL NATIONS by Michael Brownstein

    Check them out. Great American verse. Peace & Love to all.

    Mayor Pete (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 08:58:37 AM EST
    I really like this guy.  I have been resisting falling in love because I am a realist but he is good.  Last night he rocked a CNN town hall with answers like this

    America might not be ready for a gay president but I am seriously starting to think they might be ready for a gay Vice President.

    OTOH (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 12:10:52 PM EST
    My patients has entirely run it's course with Beto.

    Everyone EVERYONE is completely over your f'ing journey of self discovery

    Shi+ or get off the pot.

    Declare your intentions or STFU and get out of the way.

    It's not cute anymore.

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    It Was Never Cute and... (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:37:37 PM EST
    ... I absolutely hate when people dink around about running.

    Beto is IMO the perfect VP candidate.

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    Depends who gets the P spot (none / 0) (#194)
    by CST on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 02:10:13 PM EST
    That said,  I'm all-in on Stacy Abrams for VP.  Still don't have a top of the ticket choice.

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    I'm a huge (none / 0) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 10:02:30 AM EST
    fan of his also. I think he is not ready for president but he definitely has a future, a very bright future in politics.

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    Cheerleader (none / 0) (#182)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 10:02:38 AM EST
    of the porn star president...is perfect.

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    Join Hickenlooper (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by fishcamp on Tue Mar 12, 2019 at 09:56:48 PM EST
    is on Late Night with Seth Meyer tonight, if you can stay up that late.

    I have never experienced (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 04:25:42 PM EST
    Jury duty

    Always feared it when working.  Now it would be interesting.

    Yes, it sure is (none / 0) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 04:56:55 PM EST
    interesting.  Was on jury duty twice, a criminal (petty crime) and civil, for which I was made foreman. It was an auto accident case which was difficult keeping fellow jurors to the facts and testimony that they heard.  So much speculation on what might have happened, but not in evidence, so had to crack the whip which did not endear me to them. If you are ever called, decline foreman.

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    The closest I ever came (none / 0) (#10)
    by CST on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:17:08 AM EST
    Was a gang related robbery with 4 defendants who each had a lawyer.  There were a lot of dismissals for no stated reason.   I knew when I was the last white person in the box that I was the next to go, but I was strangely proud of the fact that I outlasted the rest of them, even if it was a purely superficial judgment.

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    When my daughter was maybe 22, I dropped (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 05:05:52 PM EST
    her off for jury duty and said don't be disappointed if you don't get selected. She said, why?  I said, life experience.  So she was on the jury for a wrongful death case.  Fellow jurors wanted to elect her foreman, maybe b/c mom's a lawyer. She declined.

    What a coincidence! (none / 0) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 05:38:02 PM EST
    I was just given notice yesterday to report for jury duty at 8:30 a.m. on Tuesday, April 9. Fortunately for me, the state courthouse in Hilo is literally right across the street from my office building, so I don't have to worry about parking.

    This is my third time called. I've been selected to serve once, which was for a domestic assault case involving a married but separated couple. Upon hearing the evidence, we found the defendant not guilty after having first determined that the wrong person was on trial.

    The wife was the complaining witness, but she was actually the instigator of the physical altercation. He had an affair and subsequently left her for someone else. While he was moving out, she had gone after him with a baseball bat. He punched her in the face in retaliation. Their teenaged son call the police.

    Both husband and wife were initially arrested and charged with one count of felony assault each. He declined to press charges. She did not. She needed anger management counseling. He was totally self-absorbed. Their son, caught in the middle, probably needed psychoanalysis thanks to mom and dad. Such was another day in Dysfunction Junction.

    ;-D

    I have been notified (none / 0) (#5)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 08:55:02 PM EST
    ... a dozen times.  Most times I call the night before and I'm off the hook.  Had to show up a few tines, never been chosen.

    One time the prosecutor asked, "Have you ever had a negative experience with a police officer?"

    "Sure, there was that time when..."

    Dismissed.

    Another time, in a civil case involving two young men asking for damages because they had been fired, a lady in the jury box was asked, "Would  you have a problem awarding these young men for pain and suffering?"

    Her answer was a classic.

    "These kids lost their jobs.  I have had four children.  They don't have a clue about pain and suffering."

    Dismissed.

    Yeah. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 09:12:35 PM EST
    My general disdain for law enforcement has kept me off juries more than once.

    If a cop's mouth is moving, I generally assume he is lying. Pretty much disqualifies me every time.

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    I had pretty much the same experience (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 09:08:17 AM EST
    I was more polite about it, perhaps, but said that while I was sure I could be fair and open-minded, my experience had taught me that police seem to think they have an interest in the outcome, and often bias their testimony accordingly, rather than just tell the straight ahead truth and let the chips fall where they may under the rules of the legal system. That outrageous comment got me excused.

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    Curious about questions (none / 0) (#18)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    peeps got asked.  I have seen claims that DAs don't want lawyers on juries but all the juries I have been on had me and one other lawyer; or at least a law school grad and someone who claimed to be a lawyer.

    Did you get asked if you were a lawyer?

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    I don't remember if it was an oral question (none / 0) (#23)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 12:16:44 PM EST
    or on the written questionnaire. But they certainly knew.

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    My sister is a lawyer (none / 0) (#36)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 07:10:17 PM EST
    She got a jury duty call.  She heard the prosecutor ask people whether the prospective juror was A) an attorney, B) was familiar with the Gerstle Park neighborhood and C) had ever injured herself tripping on a sidewalk.

    My sister was waiting eagerly to answer yes to all those questions, but after waiting ALL DAY, they finished selection at 4:45 and sent her home.

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    The one (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 05:28:02 AM EST
    and only time I was called for jury duty I sat in the waiting room the entire time and then when they were picking a jury for a particular case they asked me if I had ever been a victim of a crime and I said yes and so of course I was not picked.

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    The most memorable dismissal (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 09:22:29 PM EST
    for me was when they asked my opinion of Janet Jackson's split-second flashing during the Super Bowl halftime show. Putting it the context of poverty, war, and environmental devestation, I said it was a case of much ado about nothing. The next guy sounded like he would've liked to have personally burned her at the stake.

    He probably got picked.

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    Ides of March (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:06:16 AM EST
    "I think Robert Mueller wants to be able to conclude his work and turn over the investigative threads to the Southern District of New York, the Eastern District of Virginia and other jurisdictions as appropriate," Brennan answered. "We're coming up to two years -- I think he does want to conclude that."

    "I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, this week on Friday -- not knowing anything about it -- but Friday is the day the Grand Jury indictments come down," he predicted.

    "And this Friday is better than next Friday, because next Friday is the 15th of March -- which is the Ides of March -- and I don't think Robert Mueller will want to have that dramatic flair of the Ides of March when he'll be delivering, what I think are going to be indictments, the final indictments, as well as the report to the attorney general," Brennan explained

    "If anybody from the Trump family, extended family, is going to be indicted, it would be the final act of Mueller's investigation because Bob Mueller and his team knows if he were to do something -- indicting a Trump family member or if he were to go forward with indictment on criminal conspiracy involving U.S. persons -- that would basically be the death of the special counsel's office, because I don't believe Donald Trump would allow Bob Mueller to continue in the aftermath of those types of actions," Brennan concluded
    Well, wrong again. (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 06:20:38 PM EST


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    If the truth be known (none / 0) (#9)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:12:04 AM EST
    I have been on a couple of juries.  Cases were basically what I term criminal stupidity.  I was well dressed in a suit and showed up early and sat in a room with other folks drinking my cup of coffee.

    First off the judge asked if anyone had a reason they could not serve.  A few folks had mealy mouth excused and she said no.  One guy said he was being charged with a felony and he got off.

    Questions by lawyers were along the lines of will you be fair to both sides.  Never saw any questions that would be aimed at disqualifying anyone.

    All the cases were basically a slam dunk; shoplifting caught on tape, indecent exposure (and maybe solicitation which was the most interesting case), and a small time RICO case where a guy and his wife were selling fake jewelry over a period of time.

    There was little discussion in every case except the indecent exposure.  The DA said a college coed was the vic.  Turned out she was a very overweight student at a beauty college walking in a black section of town when the guy drove his car down the street at high noon slapping his hand on the side of the car door and making lewd comments to her.  She had a half empty bottle of vodka in her hand and when she saw him expose himself she threw it at the car but both sides agreed she missed the car.  Some jurors said she would have been very close to the car to see the private parts; so close she could not have missed hitting the car with the vodka bottle.  She claimed he wanted $anal $ex and used the N word in describing it; while he claimed he only wanted regular $ex and called her a jungle bunny.  There was also the issue of walking down the street at high noon with a half empty bottle of vodka.  Like I said a lot of what I call criminal stupidity was involved.  The jury agreed that what ever the guy did he belonged in jail.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    Trying to figure out... (none / 0) (#146)
    by Dadler on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:02:04 AM EST
    ...why you think your description of her as being a "very overweight student at a beauty college walking in a black section of town" doesn't reveal a prejudice on your part that should have disqualified you from this case. Both these descriptors of her are utterly irrelevant except to reveal your own bias. I realize you convicted the guy, but this did, you know, kinda stick out to me as someone with blood family members who are black.  

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    Trying to figure out (2.00 / 1) (#148)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 11:24:23 AM EST
    why you think it does.

    The trial took place in Tallahassee.  FSU is the largest university there and quite frankly FSU of all the things FSU is known for attractive coeds may be at the top of the list.  In fact until 1947 it was a girls school.  Tallahassee Community College is often viewed as a place where wanna be FSU students go till they meet FSU entrance requirements; and has a lot more female than male students.

    When the SA's opening statement mentioned a coed all the jurors thought it would be an FSU coed, and by implication an attractive one.  In fact it was mentioned by some of the jurors that it was a mistake for the SA to imply the vic was a coed and when the vic testified have it revealed she was an over weight beauty school student carrying a half empty vodka bottle while walking in a seedy area of town.

    None of this excuses the actions of the perp who clearly was guilty.  

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    That Has Got to be... (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 10:12:36 AM EST
    ... the stooopidest fricken thing I have read since coming back to TL.  If your goal was to prove Dadler hit the nail on the head, you succeeded.

    You were better off letter Dadler's comment stand.

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    wtf (none / 0) (#184)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 10:16:26 AM EST
    "and by implication an attractive one" is  even supposed to mean.... not that I want to know.

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    It appears to reveal that... (none / 0) (#193)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:53:53 PM EST
    Justice is not blind.

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    Maybe you should ask (none / 0) (#188)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:14:55 PM EST
    a lawyer about over promising and under delivering.

    My point was that jurors are suppose to be chosen randomly and with out bias.  But that does not mean they are not aware of a local university's reputation for having beautiful coeds and when a SA says coed that is the first thing that comes to mind.

    As several posters here have noted they have never been on a jury and to some extent take pride in being excused by almost going out of their way to come across as biased.  Saying up front you think LEOS are liars and not to be believed will get you excused every time.

    So often a jury is made up of folks who are more likely to believe LEOs; along with a lot of other beliefs that you may find unacceptable.

    There have been multiple and repeatable studies that find attractive people get the benefit of the doubt while over weight people often get the short end of the stick.

    Just because I am point this out and saying it affects a jury's thinking does not mean it is wrong.

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    I am betting (none / 0) (#11)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:27:20 AM EST
    Harris will flame out.

    There is an interesting story about how back in the day Trump, and Ivanka, both donated to Harris's campaign. A Harris spokesman released a statement that Trump's donation was then donated to a civil rights group.  Problem is that the donation to the civil rights group happened after Harris was elected.

    Not sure what is going on with Harris's temporal mistakes but it is getting to be a habit for her to get caught making them.  The link above deals with how Harris's campaign contributions have changed over time.

    Whether she flames out or not (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by CST on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 01:49:11 PM EST
    The fact that Trump and co may have donated to her campaign will not be the reason why.

    Seriously where do you come up with these "hot takes"?

    Hoq many Democrats do you actually speak to before deciding on their behalf what they're going to care about?

    The only people who might care about this are already supporting Bernie Sanders or maybe Warren.    The rest aren't going to flip out about who donates to who.

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    Totally missed the point (none / 0) (#29)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 04:40:19 PM EST
    First Harris says she listened to Snoop in college when he did not release any music till after she graduated.  Next she says she returned Trump's donations but it turns out this was well after she was elected.

    These are self inflicted wounds.

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    You totally missed the point (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by CST on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 04:56:03 PM EST
    Nobody cares about this $hit.  We have much bigger problems than whether someone remembers what year Snoop came out.

    This petty cr@p isn't going to influence a single voter.

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    I find (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 05:33:58 AM EST
    this highly ironic coming from someone who thinks a Russian mobster running the country is just fine. If you listen to Harris' entire interview the whole Snoop thing is nonsense and the fact that she didn't donate a campaign contribution on the timeline that authoritarian conservatives demand is something nobody is gonna care about.

    Conservatives support a guy who spews a record number of lies a day for a president and you're going to attempt to character assassinate someone because of Snoop Dogg?

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    So much wrong with your posts (none / 0) (#48)
    by ragebot on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 09:50:16 AM EST
    You along with several others posters here have a real problem with putting words in a person's mouth.

    Several times I have made very critical posts about Trump.  Multiple times I have called him a loud mouth braggart who treats women like disposable toys and is a bull$heeter who says things that are far fetched.  He babbles constantly about things and often contradicts his previous positions.

    I have also posted multiple times that Trump beat Clinton in big part because many peeps were voting against someone; not voting for someone.  This is not a defense of Trump, rather an indictment of both candidates.

    I have tried to keep up with what you call Trump's lies but could not finish that task.  One of his supposed lies was when he said something like 1/3 of peeps did something and the fact checker pointed out that the stats were that 31% of peeps did something and that was not 33 1/3%.  Sorry but even for someone with OCD that does not pass the smell test.

    I did not say Harris lied about the Snoop thing or the returning the money.  I do thing it will be much more of an embarrassment for her than Trump saying 1/3 is the same as 31%.  As for no one caring I suspect it will be brought up in the debates; especially if Harris continues her confusing statements.  Her past is a lot different than the image she presents now.  She did have an unseemly affair with Brown and her positions on drug cases in the past are much different than what she claims today.

    That is the real problem; Harris is trying to change her past history to an image she things will get her more votes today.  Be it liking rap, returning money, or being soft on drugs when her past shows her a tough prosecutor.  What ever you think about the first two the last one is a real problem.  And the first two only add fuel to the fire the last on will cause.

    RANT OVER.  

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    You know what's great? (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:32:37 AM EST
    Even if all this looney bullshi+ is dead on (it isn't) there are 20 other candidates.

    Got yer werk cut out for pal.

    I look forward to the longer and longer and loopier and loopier comments.

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    Thanks for telling us (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by CST on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:37:18 AM EST
    What Democrats will care about and that Trumps lies amount to equating 1/3 with 31%.

    Maybe if you'd mentioned her record as a prosecutor in your first post and  hadn't waited until the end to bring up what's "really important" it would be harder to dismiss you as a total hack.

    But to be honest your characterization of the Russian asset known as our president would have been sufficient anyway.

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    As of this morning via Google News (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by fishcamp on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 11:47:39 AM EST
    Trump had lied and exaggerated over nine thousand times since being in office.

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    You need (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 04:10:14 PM EST
    to deal with the facts that people voted FOR Trump because they liked what he said. They were tired of conservatives using dog whistles and wanted the full Monty and they got it.

    I seem to recall you making numerous posts wishing for RBG to die so that Trump could nominate someone to replace her. If you thought Trump was as as bad as you say, no way would you want him putting another person the court.

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    Not Self Inflicted... (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    ...these are right wing hatchet jobs to discredit a candidate.  Funny how no one on the right cares that Trump lies every time his mouth opens, and about fairly important S like cheating on his wives, but hot damn god almighty, Kamala Harris LIED about what year she had rap music on her... I am guessing CD player.

    What is even funnier, is that somehow Trump donating to Harris makes Harris look bad for not returning it quick enough.  How come you clowns don't give two squirts that you new demigod donated to both Clintons and about 1000 other high profile democrats & liberals ?

    And they say Fox News doesn't rot your brain...

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    You know what I think? (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:20:46 PM EST
    I think you deserve to treat yourself to some adorable kitten videos.

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    Watching MSNBC and (none / 0) (#14)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 08:50:05 AM EST
    Stephanie Leigh Ruhle just asked one of her talking heads who Trump would rather run against, a center Democrat or a leftist Democrat.  It was interesting to watch the guy squirm and try and justify how a leftist would do better than a center Democrat.

    That is the big question I see facing the dems; who to go with a centerist  or leftist.

    Where Does Trump Sit... (none / 0) (#28)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 04:05:52 PM EST
    ...on this political scale ?

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    I can barely care (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 09:49:31 AM EST
    At this point

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    I Am With You... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 09:54:45 AM EST
    ...but I wanted to laugh when the bot posted that Trump is a moderate.

    I don't think there is a party for sociopaths and serial philanders who cannot go 20 seconds without lying.  Scratch that, it's the republican party.

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    Thank you for the laugh (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:08:05 AM EST
    As all this illegality is revealed, Donald Duck could probably beat Donald Trump in 2020 and also the Green Lantern.

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    True... (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:55:54 AM EST
    ...but you know, there is the dark force that changed the outcome of the last election that isn't going away.  Russia.  And even if Trump was in prison, half these idiots would still vote for him.

    I think there is a good chance Trump bows out and gives the reigns to Pence.  Pence has never once disagreed with Trump and I think he would be harder to beat, especially if Trump campaigns for him.

    Anyone that thinks 2020 is a slam dunk is in for a rude surprise.

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    Trump will (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:57:38 AM EST
    NEVER bow out

    IMO

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    UNLESS (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 11:01:09 AM EST
    He is offered a deal of no prosecution of him or his family members.

    Which has about a .000003% chance of happening.

    IMO.

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    Which states flipped because (none / 0) (#65)
    by McBain on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 12:59:55 PM EST
    of this dark force?

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    If you believe (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 04:14:04 PM EST
    the polls Pence does worse than Trump. Trump has some cultists that are apparently not transferable to Pence. It's only like 5% but as we all know that small percentage can end up making a difference in the outcome.

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    AT&T is buying the world (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 11:02:17 AM EST
    Should we care?

    Maybe.  Not sure.  IDIOCRACY warned us.

    The news recently is a zillion dollar deal with T Mobile.  Urged on by hundreds of thousands of dollars from T-Mobile at Trumps DC hotel.  READ THIS

    Additionally AT&T just bought DirecTV

    You decide

    Please google

    Left out the best part (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 11:06:15 AM EST
    HBO

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    Jeffrey Epstein update (none / 0) (#21)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 11:31:15 AM EST
    Miami office recuses; Atlanta to take over.

    Very close to the deadline.  I still think there is a tangled web here that goes well above the Miami Office.

    Something I have in common with you Jeralyn (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 11:36:32 AM EST
    I have never been selected.

    I never have, either, Lawyers tell me (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 06:42:26 PM EST
    I never will, as no one wants a highly educated woman on a jury, because we are "opinionated." Think about that. . . .

    For a while, I was called every d@mn year, had to be there at dawn, and sit there all day -- on beautiful summer days, because teachers without substitute teachers aka college professors get rescheduled to summers. (If your case is at all anti-education, do not go to court in summers.)

    And without a chance of getting on a jury. I would answer a few questions about what I did for a living, and I nevervgot out of the pool but had to just sit, sit, sit there.

    Finally, I researched how often anyone is to be called up, and I reported that I had been called annually for years, in violation of the rules. Somehow, it was several years before I was called again.

    And I then actually was called out of the pool for a jury on a high-profile murder case. But as soon as I was asked what I did for a living . . . I was out again and back in thenpool to sit, sit, sit there.

    At least by then the system had been improved to allow us to phone to see if we even would be needed, rather than show up at dawn to sit, sit, sit all day while the clerks couldn't count.

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    I was chosen to be an alternate once (none / 0) (#150)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 12:52:10 PM EST
    And before anything really started they settled.

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    Some Anecdotal Evidence (none / 0) (#24)
    by RickyJim on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    about jury duty indicates to me that lawyers are accepted by both sides if they practice in an area different from that of the case. For example, an estates and trusts lawyer is fine for a murder case.  

    I've also heard that in most localities you won't find many octogenarians showing up for jury duty.  Does the court clerk usually take them out of the pool?  I find that strange since they usually have more free time to serve.

    In Maryland, at least, (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 03:44:59 PM EST
    You may be excused from jury duty if you are over 70 years old.  You have to ask, in writing.
    Disability, with a doctor's note, can also get you excused.

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    Jury pools (none / 0) (#30)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 04:46:39 PM EST
    are made up of folks who have not served on a jury (or been called and dismissed) a certain number of times in a certain amount of time.  Chances are as you get older you will have accumulated enough times to get off the list.  Also once you get to say 62 (retirement age) every time you are called you may show up and accumulate times.  So few old folks get to their age without getting enough times at jury duty to satisfy the requirement.

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    Seems we were just talking about this (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 02:46:19 PM EST
    Donald Trump is laying the groundwork to de-legitimize the 2020 election

    Fox's senior (none / 0) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 04:57:10 PM EST
    Vice President has asked the DNC to re-consider it's decision, announced today, to skip a Fox hosting of presidential candidate debates.  Fox promises "journalism integrity"  and the opportunity for Democratic candidates to reach large TV audiences and viewers who may be persuadable.

    The DNC's decision was based on the New Yorker article reporting an incestuos relationship between Trump and Fox.  

    Might as well hold the debates at a MAGA rally. Rush as the moderator to a backdrop of lock her up chants.

    In More Detail (none / 0) (#33)
    by RickyJim on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 06:11:43 PM EST
    In a statement, Fox News Senior Vice President Bill Sammon said: "We hope the DNC will reconsider its decision to bar Chris Wallace, Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, all of whom embody the ultimate journalistic integrity and professionalism, from moderating a Democratic presidential debate. They're the best debate team in the business and they offer candidates an important opportunity to make their case to the largest TV news audience in America, which includes many persuadable voters."

    Link.
    Since he promised reasonable moderators, I think the Dems should accept the deal.

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    If the "embodied journalistic integrity" (5.00 / 8) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 06:25:27 PM EST
    They would not be working for FOX.  (Joining the trend of no longer calling it news)

    Those people may indeed try as they can to do journalism.  

    What that ultimately does and in my opinion is intended to do is create a veneer or respectability for the other 90% of the network that is pure state propaganda

    In my opinion they should extend the boycott to any appearance by any democrat ever.

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    Why wouldn't anyone trust (none / 0) (#39)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 10:30:11 PM EST
    Bill Sammon to recognize the highest standards of journalism?

    Even if it is the very same Bill Sammon who was busted sending out memos to Fox people telling them to describe Obama as a socialist, and to never refer to the public option proposal by name but only as "government-run health insurance."

    The trouble with almost everyone at Fox is that they've started to believe everyone is as dumb as the Fox core audience.

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    I hate (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 05:37:23 AM EST
    to tell Mr. Sammons but Fox has been losing viewers to MSNBC. I can see the questions now: What did you think of AOC's latest tweet? Are you a socialist? We've already seen some of the questions Fox asks candidates from the Fox reporters on the campaign trail.

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    Nick Sandmann's father to support (none / 0) (#35)
    by McBain on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 06:49:18 PM EST
    anti-doxing legislation...

    Will Schroder, a state senator and a lawyer from Campbell County says...

    Looking forward to having Nicholas Sandmann's father, Ted, and their attorney Todd V. McMurtry in Frankfort tomorrow to testify in support of my anti-doxing bill. This bill will make it a crime when you identify a minor online with the intent to intimidate, abuse, threaten, harass, or frighten him or her.

    Sounds like a good idea but maybe it should protect adults as well for certain situations?

    Note to self (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 09:22:45 PM EST
    When paying hush money don't do it with a check.  Or checks.

    Trump (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 08:54:54 AM EST
    better bury his poor grades at another alma mater (alleged), "The School of Thieves."   He may have to implore another of his former disbarred lawyers , and dean of the school, Roy Cohn,  for a favor.  He just needs to follow Dante's GPS to locate him.

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    Oh my (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 09:30:43 PM EST
    Jeffrey Epstein, Alan Dershowitz

    Famed attorney Alan Dershowitz was accused of involvement in billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's alleged sex-trafficking ring by an attorney for one of Epstein's victims, who claimed in federal court on Wednesday that the release of sealed documents will prove it.
    I hope it is not true (none / 0) (#40)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 06, 2019 at 10:35:09 PM EST
    But I am willing to consider the evidence, if disclosed.

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    All the lawyers (none / 0) (#41)
    by ragebot on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 12:04:54 AM EST
    except one want all the evidence unsealed.

    Only Ty Gee, an attorney for Ghislane Maxwell, who was accused of plying Epstein with underage women, argued during an hour-long hearing that the documents should remain sealed.

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    Shh (none / 0) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:05:09 AM EST
    don't tell this loon that AOC has been breathing oxygen her entire life Conservative calls for cookie boycott because AOC used to be a Girl Scout on the other hand....
    It's all fun and games until (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:27:36 AM EST
    Sen Harris made the point the other day that all this batshi+ attention is literally putting the lives of these women in danger.

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    Jury Duty (none / 0) (#57)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 10:47:05 AM EST
    I have been called 4 times, twice picked for a jury, once a foreman.  I like it, the courthouse is like 5 mins from home and they have 2 shifts, all but this last time I have second shift which starts at 11am.  And you get $30 for a half days work and you don't have to actually go to your real job.

    First time, rich kid, 16, stole some very distinctive FUBU like clothing from neighbor and wore it on the school bus the next day.  That lasted 4 or 5 days with all the people the defense called.  We actually debated for a day, the argument was because no one saw him steal the clothing, we can't convict.  We did.  One of the questions posed to me 'Do you think it is unfair for two adult police offers to question a juvenile without their parents present ?'  I said yes and was still selected.  There was no testimony about cops questioning the kid, so I assumed the judge didn't allow it.

    Second time I was seated, then pulled out while they wheeled and dealed.  This happened about 3 times, finally the judge said he was leaving the jury seated.  A kid, 17, burglarized a home and stole a cell phone.  The police chased him, he hit a cop and they found weed on him.  He had a prior.  The deal reached was for 30 years because of all the multipliers.  Yup 30 years for a cell phone and this was pre-smart phone days,

    I like the process and I truly believe that jury duty is as important if not more important than voting in regards to helping your community.  Yeah it sucks to sit and not get called or to be dismissed because they didn't like your answers, but judging people accused of crime is a damn important civic duty.  And you know how people say if you don't vote you don't get to complain, while I think that is a bit silly, I do think if you purposely avoid jury duty, you should STFU when a jury comes back with a verdict or sentence you dislike.

    I would also think as a criminal defense attorney, one would have a little more respect for an arm of the criminal justice system and maybe show up on time and not act like jury duty sucks.

    I agree with your STFU comment (none / 0) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 11:54:09 AM EST
    regarding jury service.

    I have actually always wanted to serve on a jury. But alas, I am always dismissed by the prosecution. When I was younger it probably the long hair and Harley T-shirts. Now it's probably because I don't hold back an opinion. That's a real advantage to getting older. I believe it was Zorba that wrote to that in another thread. We don't suffer fools and stop being "nice" for nice sake. We quit worrying about what someone else will think about our position on an issue.

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    The three times I have been called (none / 0) (#66)
    by Zorba on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 01:22:17 PM EST
    I never got seated.

    Twice because they never got around to me, and the other time because of voir dire.

    It was a workman's comp case, and we were asked if we or a relative had been involved in such a case.  
    I raised my hand, I was called up before the judge and the two lawyers, asked about my involvement (I was very involved in my mother's case, and explained how), and when asked my feelings about workers comp in general, told the truth that I felt the laws were way too skewed in favor of the employer, to the detriment of the workers.  The judge kindly dismissed me, and the lawyer representing the injured worker said, "Wait a minute!  I want her as foreperson on the jury!"  We all laughed.

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    Jury Duty (none / 0) (#63)
    by fishcamp on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 12:17:14 PM EST
    I too have been called several times, but never chosen.  The Florida Keys are 150 miles long so we have three separate court locations; Key Largo, Marathon, and Key West.  I live at mile marker 75, directly in the middle keys and usually get called for the Marathon court which is thirty miles away.  Twice I got called for murder cases in Key West, but was dismissed.  Those cases can take months and I know people that have had to stay down there for a very long time.  They do pay for rooms,a per deim, and $30 per day salary, but if you're a self employed fishing guide you're losing big money.  I also have a home, cats, plants, and boats to maintain.  It's really the only way they can do it, but it's quite a hardship.  Back when I was 75 years old I told them that and they stopped calling.  Now at 80 they probably don't want me.

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    How do you figure (none / 0) (#67)
    by ragebot on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 03:20:45 PM EST
    MM75 is the middle.  MM75 is on Lower Matecumbe Key which by most accounts in in the Upper Keys.  My boat is in BKH s couple of blocks on Ocean Side from MM49 which is almost in the middle of the 112 MMs that make up the overseas highway.  I don't really consider anything above MM103 to really be part of the Overseas Highway since it goes in a NW/SE direction and not a W/SW direction.

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    Ragebot... (none / 0) (#74)
    by fishcamp on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 08:06:22 PM EST
    The mile markers start in Florida City at mm 126.  I was also considering Ft. Jefferson which is part of the Keys too, even though it's way southwest of mm 0 in KW.  But you knew that.

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    Senator Sherrod Brown, (none / 0) (#64)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 12:32:53 PM EST
    has indicated that he will not be running for the Democratic nomination for president.  Mixed feelings, but he is needed in the senate--he would not be easily replaced with a Democrat in Ohio.

    Netflix buried treasure (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 08:18:09 PM EST
    THE INVITATION

    Never heard of it.  Discovered it on a list of

    THE 100 BEST MOVIES ON NETFLIX

    Sad and funny (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 12:32:57 AM EST
    Terminally Ill Fan's Campaign to See 'Godzilla: King of the Monsters' Goes Viral

    This is totally me.  When my time comes that's exactly what will upset me.  All the great movies and tv I've read about but won't live to see.  

    "George is a huge Godzilla: King of the Monsters fan, and he knows his time is short, and he will not be around when the movie is released in May. He knows I own the drive-in, so he is asking me if there is anything I can do. I promised him I would try. This is his dying wish, and he does not have much time left.:

    Continuing, the post goes on to detail plans for a private screening of Godzilla: King of the Monsters should Warner Bros. Pictures give approval.
    SHINE OUT (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 11:26:21 AM EST
    BREAKING: Bill Shine Resigns as White House Deputy Chief of Staff

    Elizabeth Warren (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 12:53:32 PM EST
    Proposing to break up Amazon, Google, and  Facebook.

    Honestly I have mixed feelings about her political skills but I'm loving the fact that she is pushing a ton of specific policies.    I just wish they'd get more coverage.

    I still don't know who I'm voting for but I have started donating to Warren, because whatever happens I want her (and her ideas) in the race as long as possible.

    Keep em coming.

    Frankly, (1.00 / 1) (#82)
    by NoSides on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 02:27:46 PM EST
    although I was in awe of her for awhile, her conduct during the run-up to the election of 2016 was so self-serving and conservative that I wouldn't trust her with anything.

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    Frankly my dear (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by CST on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 02:52:09 PM EST
    I just don't give a d@mn.

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    Greek Rabbit Stew (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Zorba on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 05:41:12 PM EST
    Kouneli stifado.

    Ingredients:

    1 medium-size rabbit (about 1 1/2 kg), cut into serving pieces

    For the marinade
    2 cups dry red wine
    2 bay leaves
    6-10 allspice berries
    1 cinnamon stick

    Flour for dredging
    1 cup olive oil
    salt and freshly ground black pepper
    2 pounds small round stewing onions, whole
    2 cups dry red wine
    1 cup chopped tomato
    2 bay leaves
    1 cinnamon stick
    1 orange
    Procedure:

    Peel onions Wash and cut orange into 8 wedges
    Remove and discard the innards from the rabbit.
    Wash the rabbit well and pat dry.

    1. Place rabbit in a large bowl. Pour in the wine, and add the bay leaves, allspice berries and cinnamon. Marinate the rabbit overnight, covered, in the refrigerator.

    2. In a wide, heavy stewing pot, heat half a cup of olive oil.
    3. Add the onions and cook in the oil over medium-low heat for about 20 minutes, until the onions are lightly browned and translucent.
    4. Shake the pot back and forth over the course of cooking the onions, so that they turn and brown on all sides.
    5. In the meantime, remove the rabbit from the marinade, pat dry and dredge lightly with flour.
    6. Discard the marinade. Remove onions with a slotted spoon and set aside.
    7. Add another quarter cup of olive oil to the pot and heat.
    8. Place the rabbit pieces in the pot and sear to brown over medium-high heat, turning on all sides.
    9. Place the orange wedges over the rabbit.
    10. Pour in the wine and tomato; add the bay leaves and cinnamon stick. Lower heat and cover.
    11. Simmer rabbit over low heat for about one and a half hours, or until tender. Remove, cool slightly and serve.


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    The cat was going to provide the rabbit. (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:28:15 PM EST
    But then -- oh, well!

    ;-D

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    I can almost hear (none / 0) (#109)
    by Zorba on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:38:38 PM EST
    The cat saying some bad words in his head.   :-D

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    "Self-serving and conservative" (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 02:51:18 PM EST
    is always a matter of degree.

    Who do you trust?

    I'm all ears.

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    As we learned (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:05:19 PM EST
    in 2016 the media is too lazy to cover actual policy that might affect people's lives.

    I thought she did a good job with her childcare proposal.

    I too have mixed thoughts on her as a candidate but some people do get better on the campaign trail overtime and perhaps she will be one of those.

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    I Feel Like if Anyone Can Lose to Trump... (none / 0) (#91)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:58:38 PM EST
    ... it would be the person who took the Pocahontas baiting and did a giant belly flop.

    Last cycle she was the it girl and far enough left that I really liked the words coming out of her mouth, right up until she claimed that 1% proved she was right.  It was baffling to watch a grown person have such poor judgement.

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    She should've just come back (none / 0) (#93)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 04:10:10 PM EST
    with "Chief Bonespurs" and been done with it.

    That probably would've been enough to shut  him up.

    It's alright to sink to Trump's level once in a while to give him a nut-punch, as long as you can also authoritatively command the higher ground.

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    I really like Warren (none / 0) (#94)
    by CST on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 04:27:24 PM EST
    But there's no denying the fact that she's an awkward nerd with incredibly poor political instincts at times, and definitely clueless in certain ways.   Personally I find it somewhat endearing
    (if frustrating) but I don't really expect the rest of the country to feel the same, and I don't want to risk losing to Trump.

    There's also no denying that she literally wrote the book on the decline of the middle class and she isn't afraid of being bold.   Maybe she should be st times, but there's more than enough of that to go around.

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    She is on MSNBC (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 05:00:27 PM EST
    This hour.  I like her.  I like her ideas.  I have decided she would be a terrible candidate.  

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    Yep (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 05:37:00 PM EST
    Nice person.  Good intentions.  Great ideas.  Definite cabinet member

    Terrible candidate

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    Too (none / 0) (#99)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:03:03 PM EST
    bad she will never generate a cult of personality like some of the others in the race.

    If anything she has less charisma than Hillary.  In any case wonkishness does not wins elections, sadly enough.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:08:52 PM EST
    The Warren personality cult did make me laugh out loud tho.

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    This is why (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:51:43 PM EST
    I'm more or less leaning towards Klobuchar because maybe we need a prosecutor to make the case against Trump. Someone who is very familiar with dealing with mob bosses etc.

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    Harris (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:06:13 PM EST
    was also a prosecutor, I like both of them but Kamala remains my favorite. The thought of Bernie or Biden makes me mildly nauseous.

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    I like them both (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:14:29 PM EST
    And go back and forth.  Sometimes I think it's going to take big personality like Harris, others I think the wonkish workhorse would be better.  

    Amy is definitely going to be in the "moderate" lane with most of the white boys.

    The ticket will probably end up with one from column A and one from column B

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    To win the (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:37:28 PM EST
    moderate lane IMO Amy mainly has to take out Biden who is easy pickings. Unless Hickenlooper catches more steam she's probably going to take that lane.

    Harris is fine. I'm just not seeing the toughness from her that I have seen from Amy so far. Of course, next year I could think completely differently.

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    So far Harris (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:33:17 PM EST
    to me has not matched the hype from what I have seen. I'm open to changing my position.

    Bernie and Biden give me PTSD.

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    I (none / 0) (#110)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 07:55:46 PM EST
    frankly haven't seen much hype about any of them, aside from the typical media lust for Biden and Bernie's cult there is little actual hype

    My interest in Kamala came purely from my perception of her as gifted politician, more of a gut feeling than anything, but at this point of the game as good as any other metric.

    As for meeting expectations, we are still months away from judging anyone on that score.

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    The media (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 08:35:38 PM EST
    is really pushing Biden and they have yet to really vet Bernie though at his town hall Bernie was cornered on his taxes. If Bernie cannot come up with those taxes he should withdraw from the race but he won't. I believe him never showing his taxes in 2016 gave Trump cover for not releasing his.

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    She waS (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 06:50:12 PM EST
    only the "it candidate" because she wasn't running. Once she announced she was running she would have gotten the same treatment she is getting now.

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    Couldn't agree more... (none / 0) (#81)
    by NoSides on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 02:24:51 PM EST
    Minnesota Rep.Ilhan Omar ripped former President Barack Obama in an interview published Friday, belittling his "pretty face" and saying his agenda of hope and change was an illusion.

    She cited the "caging of kids" at the Mexican border and the "droning of countries around the world" on Obama's watch -- and argued that he wasn't much different from President Trump

    "We can't be only upset with Trump," the freshman firebrand told Politico Magazine.

    "His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was," Omar said.

    "And that's not what we should be looking for anymore. We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile."

    Deep fried tarantula (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:01:31 PM EST
    INGREDIENTS

    2 cups canola or vegetable oil
    2 frozen adult Texas brown, Chilean rose, or similar-sized tarantulas, thawed
    1 cup tempura batter
    1 teaspoon smoked paprika

    PREPARATION

    In a deep saucepan or deep-fat fryer, heat the oil to 350°F.
    With a sharp knife, sever and discard the abdomens from the two tarantulas. Singe off any of the spider's body hairs with a crème brûlée torch or butane cigarette lighter.
    Dip each spider into the tempura batter to thoroughly coat. Use a slotted spoon or your hands to make sure each spider is spread-eagled (so to speak) and not clumped together before dropping it into the hot oil.
    Deep-fry the spiders, one at a time, until the batter is lightly browned, about 1 minute. Remove each spider from the oil and place it on paper towels to drain.
    Use a sharp knife to cut each spider in two lengthwise. Sprinkle with the paprika and serve. Encourage your guests to try the legs first and, if still hungry, to nibble on the meat-filled mesothorax, avoiding the spider's paired fangs, which are tucked away in the head region.

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    Is this a real thing (none / 0) (#86)
    by CST on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:04:23 PM EST
    That people eat?  I have a pretty firm rule about trying anything once, but I have to admit,  not sure about anything with the instructions "avoiding the fangs".

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    Real (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:09:49 PM EST
    thing

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    I have kind of a thing (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:46:46 PM EST
    For spiders.  I love them.  I think they are incredible and beautiful.  And they totally creep me out.  I have never eaten one and I think I would need a lot of drinks to do it.

    But this from the recipe -

    Readers of earlier printings of my cookbook were treated to the sad tale of my failed attempt to acquire specimens of the world's biggest arachnid, the goliath bird-eating spider

    I have 2 stuffed and framed

    George and Gracie


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    No sense of size (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 04:01:50 PM EST
    The are roughly the size of a large dinner plate

    Parent
    Did you see (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 07:06:03 AM EST
    the Onion with this and Kirsten Gillibrand?

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    If you use Amazon tarantulas in the recipe, ... (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 07:58:22 PM EST
    ... you'll likely only need one.

    ;-D

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    Eating a shpin is unkosher (none / 0) (#161)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 06:24:22 PM EST
    according to Leviticus.

    In case anyone's interested.

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    Instant Pot Salisbury Steak (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 03:09:09 PM EST

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    Instant Pot® Salisbury Steak with Onion and Mushroom Gravy

    Recipe by: Bren
    "Just like Mom used to make, but much faster."

    Ingredients
    2 h 35 m

        1/4 cup fresh bread crumbs
        1/4 cup finely diced onion
        White Onion, Large

        1 egg
        1 teaspoon dried parsley
        1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
        1 clove garlic, minced, or more to taste
        1 pound ground beef
        1/2 pound lean ground pork
        2 tablespoons avocado oil

        1 large onion, thinly sliced
        1 (8 ounce) package sliced cremini mushrooms
        1/4 cup dry red wine

        2 cups beef broth
        1 tablespoon tomato paste
        1 teaspoon salt
        1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
        4 tablespoons beef broth
        2 tablespoons cornstarch
        Add all ingredients to list

    Directions

        Prep
        10 m

        Cook
        45 m

        Ready In
        2 h 35 m

        Combine bread crumbs, onion, egg, parsley, Worcestershire sauce, and garlic in a large bowl. Stir well and add beef and pork. Mix gently and form 8 equal portions. Place patties on a plate, cover with plastic wrap, and refrigerate 1 hour. Remove from the refrigerator 30 minutes before cooking.
        Turn on a multi-functional pressure cooker (such as Instant Pot(R)) and select Saute function. Add oil. Add patties in batches to avoid overcrowding the pot. Saute 2 minutes per side. Transfer cooked patties to a plate. Add onions to the pot and cook until brown, about 2 minutes. Add mushrooms and cook 2 minutes more.
        Pour wine into the pot and stir, scraping up all the brown bits from the bottom. Add broth, tomato paste, salt, and pepper; stir well. Return cooked patties and any accumulated liquid to the pot and turn to coat.
        Close and lock the lid. Select high pressure according to manufacturer's instructions; set timer for 15 minutes. Allow 10 to 15 minutes for pressure to build.
        Release pressure using the natural-release method according to manufacturer's instructions, 10 to 40 minutes. Unlock and remove the lid.
        Combine 4 tablespoons broth and cornstarch in a bowl and stir until dissolved. Add mixture to the pot slowly, stirring constantly. Select Saute function; cook until thickened, about 5 minutes.

    Cook's Notes:
        Refrigerating the patties before cooking them is optional, but it does help the flavor.
        The gravy will be fairly thin. Add an additional 1 tablespoon corn starch and 2 tablespoons broth for a thicker gravy

    Nutrition Facts

    Per Serving: 524 calories; 34.5 g fat; 13.4 g carbohydrates; 35.4 g protein; 153 mg cholesterol; 1227 mg sodium. Full nutrition

       

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    Cincinnati Chili (none / 0) (#111)
    by leap on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 08:26:53 PM EST
    This famous chili recipe was created by Nicholas Lambrinides, a Greek immigrant who founded a popular chain of chili restaurants in Cincinnati, Ohio in 1949. The inventor's Greek roots can clearly be seen in the unique blend of spices. As you'll see, this chili is quite different from the more common southwest-style chili you're probably used to. The secrets to this recipe are the long slow cooking as well as the overnight refrigeration, which allow for all the excess fat to be removed. I've also included the five ways to order this wonderfully different chili in a restaurant, which is usually served over spaghetti pasta.

    Ingredients
            1 quart water (cold)
            2 pounds ground beef
            2 cups crushed tomato
            2 yellow onions (diced)
            4 cloves garlic (minced)
            1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
            1 tablespoon unsweetened cocoa
            1/4 cup chili powder
            1 teaspoon cayenne
            1 teaspoon cumin
            2 tablespoons cider vinegar
            1 bay leaf
            1/4 teaspoon cloves (ground)
            1 teaspoon cinnamon
            1 1/2 teaspoons salt
            Optional: cooked spaghetti pasta to serve chili over

    Steps to Make It

    -Gather the ingredients. 
    -Add beef and water to a 4-quart pot.
    -Bring to a simmer while stirring, until the ground beef is in very small pieces.
    -Simmer for 30 minutes and add all the rest of the ingredients.
    -Simmer uncovered on low for 3 hours
    -Add water as needed if the chili becomes too thick.
    -Refrigerated the chili overnight; the next day, remove the layer of fat from the top before reheating and serving.

    Serve as detailed below and enjoy:
    -Just the chili
    -Chili served over spaghetti noodles
    -Chili, spaghetti, and grated cheddar cheese
    -Chili, spaghetti, cheese, and onions
    -Chili, spaghetti, cheese, onions, and beans

    All are served with oyster crackers.

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    Skyline Chile? (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jmacWA on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 05:30:29 AM EST
    Pretty sure it is.  Whenever I worked in Cincinnati I would eat there one night so I could eat here one night and not blow the per diem.

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    yep, it is n/t (none / 0) (#118)
    by leap on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:06:23 AM EST
    --

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    Ah, the Maisonette.... (none / 0) (#151)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 03:33:59 PM EST
    the only meal I've ever had that gave me gout afterwards. So worth it!

    Only time I've ever had to borrow a sport coat to dine as well. Of course, walked out the door still wearing it and had to return it the next day.

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    Almost definitely (none / 0) (#153)
    by jmacWA on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 03:44:04 PM EST
    The best restaurant I have ever eaten in.

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    Yep. (none / 0) (#154)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 03:54:02 PM EST
    And since the company paid for it, didn't cost me a dime.

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    I never did get around to eating at (none / 0) (#201)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:57:24 PM EST
    The Maisonette but had my fair share of Skyline Chili. I haven't eaten it in 20 years. My husband was a big fan, I will have to try out the recipe.

    Parent
    wikipedia entry on Cincinnati Chili... (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by leap on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 11:21:50 PM EST
    is quite interesting and entertaining. Gives the history of it and its cultural significance.

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    There's a place in LA (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 11:57:27 PM EST
    That was one of our favorite lunch spots Chili Johns

    Sounds kind of similar.  At least as far as the "ways"

    No idea about the recipe.

    Parent

    Ah (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 12:05:06 AM EST
    Didn't read the whole thing.  Chili Johns is listed in your link.

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    Definitely doing this (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 08:37:12 PM EST


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    Making this today (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 09:25:25 AM EST
    Eating this tomorrow

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    you going to have the full "five-way"? (none / 0) (#119)
    by leap on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:07:54 AM EST
    with all the fixin's?

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:40:53 AM EST
    I love chili

    But I have always " browned" the meat.

    Very curious

    Will report.

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    don't forget (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by leap on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:51:55 AM EST
    the oyster crackers, capt'n.

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    This morning (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:54:40 AM EST
    At the Walmart superstore

    Which is the best supermarket for miles and miles.

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    Probably (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:49:22 AM EST
     Long Grain Brown rice first.

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    PS (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:59:31 AM EST
    FU
    "NoSides"

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    Sounds wonderful. (none / 0) (#135)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:09:54 PM EST
    Why is it that some dishes are even better when they sit for a day? My mother-in-law has long had a recipe she calls "next-day chili" that's just heavenly. She won't let anybody touch it after she makes it until the following day. Likewise, my wife makes a chicken tortilla soup that's good right out of the pot, but even better tomorrow.

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    Lasagna. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:26:40 PM EST
    Served cold.

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    Thanks for this. (none / 0) (#141)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:54:55 PM EST
    I have only been to Cincinnati once. And of course had to try the chili. I love it. I did find a Skyline Chili parlor whilst passing through Indianapolis once. I will certainly try this recipe.

    And I do like it 5 ways.

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    Lunch (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM EST
    4 ways

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    It was so good (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 06:58:40 PM EST
    Thanks leap

    Not that big of either beans or oyster crackers.  But maybe I will get around to it.

    I made a lot.

    I assume it freezes well.

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    16 Felony counts for Smollett (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 at 04:40:42 PM EST
    With possible 4 years for each.

    Be interesting to see how those sentencing guidelines work here.

    For the record this is how I would define excessive

    'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett hit with 16 count felony indictment by grand jury

    The Sentencing Guidelines we were (none / 0) (#116)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 08:08:14 AM EST
    discussing are for federal court cases. Smollett's case is in an Illinois state court. No idea how their sentencing law works.

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    We will probably (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 10:50:14 AM EST
    Find out

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    Standard (none / 0) (#127)
    by ragebot on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 03:24:30 PM EST
    for local SAs to come up with as many charges as possible with the expectation that the perp will plea out.

    Even with a high power lawyer I expect Smollett to plea out.

    A big part of the problem for Smollett is that even with a hard to swallow story for starters, increasing evidence turning up to make his story suspect, two cohorts cooperating with the SAs, and even more evidence he keeps insisting he is the vic.

    Even lots of his initial supporters are now saying what he did was not just criminal (even if the charges are not that serious) but it makes it harder for real vics to be taken seriously.

    The law and order guys want to throw the book at him, and those who are champions of punishing hate crimes view him as a traitor for his faking one.
    I would not be shocked if he gets a year in jail, maybe more.

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    Bill Maher's (none / 0) (#126)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 01:00:26 PM EST
    show last night was, in my view, one of the worst ever.  While sometimes uneven, I watch and enjoy to the extent possible.  Even when the horrible Ann Coulter is a guest.

    Last night offered no redeeming entertainment or other value.  Maybe Bill's goal was to make lefties "break out of the bubble" as he frames it.

    But, a line-up that devotes one-on-one time with Matt Schlapp, head of CPAC, followed by a panel that included lightweight right winger, Mary Katharine Hamm, never-Trumper when on MSNBC, Michael Steele, but not so much when free-lancing, and the smug conservative, Noach Rothman is a recipe fit for Nosides.

    Bill did call Schlapp on his lies and hypocrisies, but it was useless. Schlapp just laughed and said..but he filled his campaign promises, as bad as they were.  Poor Jonathan Alter tried to provide a voice, but to little avail.

    Our never-Trumpers are Republicans with a nano-patina of embarrassment, but always Republican. Hope we do not lose Nicolle Wallace and Janet Rubin.

    The Cyrus thing (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 at 04:19:50 PM EST
    Was pretty funny.

    I usually only watch the open, the middle thing with graphics and New Rules.

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    Yes, that piece (none / 0) (#147)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 10, 2019 at 10:32:38 AM EST
    was funny.

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    What initially began four years ago as ... (none / 0) (#179)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 09:11:34 AM EST
    ... an otherwise routine local felony drug case and a seemingly unrelated federal case involving the bizarre theft a household mailbox has since blossomed into the biggest public corruption scandal in Hawaii history, presently ensnaring Honolulu's now-former police chief, its current prosecuting attorney, its now-former deputy prosecuting attorney (and wife of the aforementioned police chief), its city corporation counsel, a heretofore well-respected Hilo physician (and brother-in-law of the former police chief), at least five members of a once-privileged but now disbanded HPD unit.

    I've posted here occasionally about this scandal, which is turning very ugly in a cheap and sordid way. Further, it holds rich potential to completely upend Honolulu city politics by the time federal investigators are finally finished.

    Should be interesting. Stay tuned.

    Kelley Catlin is dead (none / 0) (#189)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 01:23:32 PM EST
    In addition to being a member of the national team and a professional road cyclist, Catlin was pursuing a degree in computational and mathematical engineering at Stanford. The Minnesota native had earned an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering and Chinese from the University of Minnesota, and also excelled as an artist and violinist.

    Family members said she was never the same after two crashes; one that left her with a concussion.  

    RIP/

    Another week (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:03:45 PM EST
    Another click bait tease

    Buckle up: The next five days could reveal how the Mueller probe will play out.

    Paul Manafort will know how long he'll be serving in prison, closing the book on special counsel Robert Mueller's most visible legal fight. Roger Stone will know his trial date, putting a timeline on when the public will get more details about his alleged contacts with WikiLeaks. And status reports are due for two of Mueller's biggest cooperators -- Michael Flynn and Rick Gates -- that will signal whether the special counsel has tapped them for all the information investigators need.
    The whole Flynn (none / 0) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 03:29:01 PM EST
    situation has been total and complete silence other than filings in court. Gates however has popped up in so many investigations it has been wild.

    We also know nothing of what Ms. James has going on in NY. She may go after Manafort along with the VA AG once Mueller is done with him, both of them for Manafort's cheating on his taxes.

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    Interesting college admissions scandal (none / 0) (#202)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 12, 2019 at 04:17:40 PM EST
    Link
    A total of 50 people nationwide were arrested in the largest college admissions scam ever prosecuted by the Department of Justice, officials announced.
    Those arrested include exam administrators, coaches at elite schools, and nearly three dozen parents -- including actress Felicity Huffman.
    Prosecutors call it "a conspiracy nationwide in scope." Here is the full federal indictment.
    The college admissions payola scandal (none / 0) (#203)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 12, 2019 at 06:17:55 PM EST
    is big news out here in LaLa Land.

    I guess that means.. (none / 0) (#204)
    by desertswine on Tue Mar 12, 2019 at 08:48:14 PM EST
    no more of those diabetes inducing Hallmark Christmas movies for Lori Loughlin like: North Pole: Open for Christmas" or "Homegrown Christmas."

    LOVE DEATH & ROBOTS (none / 0) (#206)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 15, 2019 at 06:12:08 PM EST
    Dropped today on Netflix and it too wonderful for words

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