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Donald Trump Turns 74 Amid New Questions About His Neurological State

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2020
Posted on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:38:00 AM EST
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In early 2018, when Donald Trump had trouble bringing a water glass to his lips during a cmpaign rally and also had difficulty expressing his thoughts in cohesive sentences during media interviews, the Atlantic was one of many media outlets raising the issue of his potential neurological decline and lamenting the the lack of any testing requirement for presidential candidates or a president by which the country could be alerted to significant mental impairment.

Is something neurologically wrong with Donald Trump? It is best not to diagnose the president from afar, which is why the federal government needs a system to evaluate him up close.

We still don't have such a system.

Trump's neurological state was also a topic of discussion on Memorial Day when he seemed to sway at Arlington Cemetary and had difficulty raising his arm high enough to lift a wreath.

But yesterday, at West Point, the issue generated a state of frenzy in social media, with the hashtag #DonaldTrumpWearsAdultDiapers trending. [More...]

The Daily News has the headline "Trump has trouble lifting glass of water and walking down stairs at West Point graduation"

Donald Trump turns 74 today. No, I'm not going to wish him a happy birthday. I'm going to wish that his family display some moral integrity and insist he go get tested, by a competent neurologist. Trump is so narcissistic that I'm also going to wish that if his poll numbers get really bad, he'll decide to drop out for medical reasons than face an almost certain defeat in November.

None of this will happen because I don't believe there is a single person in his immediate family who has any moral integrity and I am fairly certain Donald Trump won't believe the polls, he'll just yell louder at his campaign staff and maybe fire them.

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    West Point (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by john horse on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM EST
    What I noted with Trump's West Point graduation speech was how muted the response was from the cadets.  Every speech has places called applause lines, where the crowd is expected to react favorably to what the speaker just said.  However, the response to Trump's applause lines was underwhelming to say the least.  In my opinion that is why his speech was so "low energy".    

    This is bad news for Trump.  Polls have shown that his support from the elderly, Catholics, and evangelicals has gone down.  My guess is that it has also gone done  with the military.  I believe that Trump may still carry these groups.  However, his problem is that given his slim margin of victory 4 years ago, even a marginal decline in support will be devastating for his chances for reelection.

    Noted (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM EST
    Very little applause at the end of his speech as well.

    Doubt most of the graduates appreciated having to risk their health returning for this PR stunt or the 14 day quarantine they had to undergo.

    Lost votes...I think so.  Population....Cadets, parents, and grandparents.

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    Descent (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 08:21:11 AM EST
    very good new DNC ad

    I tried to find it without the MJ wrapper but the stupid DNC has not made that possible.  Apparently.  I got tired of looking.

    I Hope that Soon the Dems will Offer (none / 0) (#29)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 10:45:40 AM EST
    what they will do if they get in rather than just concentrate on how bad Trump has been.

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    Suggest trying the Biden campaign site (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 11:17:56 AM EST
    From Political Wire

    A friend asked me to look at Joe Biden's campaign website and find the agenda he's proposing if he's elected president. There are dozens of detailed policy proposals, ranging from bankruptcy reform and immigration to infrastructure and criminal justice reform.

    Then he asked me to look at Donald Trump's campaign website and try to find his agenda for a second term. There's literally nothing, unless you count a vague promise to "keep America great."

    The Republican National Committee isn't even going to try to adopt a platform for Trump's second term, voting instead last week to keep the 2016 party platform in place even though it is peppered with awkward references about the "current administration" that were originally written about President Barack Obama.

    Even if the RNC reverses course, it's unclear how they could adopt a new platform given that they've now split the convention by moving Trump's acceptance speech and parts of the convention proceedings to Jacksonville, while other meetings will still be conducted in Charlotte.

    Part of the rationale for not updating the platform was to avoid having delegates travel back and forth between the two cities. But most of it had to be that Trump doesn't have an agenda other then getting re-elected.

    It's literally a campaign about nothing.



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    McClatchy (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 03:42:01 PM EST
    The prospect of the first Black woman to appear on a presidential ticket looks more likely than ever before, with Joe Biden seriously considering Kamala Harris, Val Demings and Keisha Lance Bottoms to be his running mate.

    But there's also a serious white contender in the mix who is showing a unique capacity to energize African Americans: Elizabeth Warren.

    LINK

    Warren (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 05:11:23 PM EST
    energizing black voters? Sure did not see that in the primary though.

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    It's Crazy Time... (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 19, 2020 at 10:44:28 PM EST
    U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoff Berman refused to step down on Friday night after Attorney General Bill Barr issued a press release announcing that he had resigned.

    "I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court of the Southern District of New York."

    TPM link

    This one is very interesting (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 08:13:50 AM EST
    Why did Barr try to fire him. The possibilities are almost endless.  And what happens now.

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    Questions (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 10:36:23 AM EST
    Playbook: Many questions must be asked the morning after President Trump's administration abruptly tried to oust Geoffrey Berman, the U.S. attorney for the southern district of Manhattan. Here are a few of them:

    How bad must it have been that the administration did this five months before the election?

    How did the President have no one around him that explained how crazy this looks, and how destructive it is?

    Why did they pull this stunt before ensuring Berman would comply?

    How did Attorney General Bill Barr go along with this?

    Politico reports House Judiciary Committee Jerrold Nadler is inviting Berman to testify next week.



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    Sort of a fascist (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:27:36 AM EST
    takeover.  Berman called Barr a liar, and indicated that ongoing criminal cases would continue unimpeded---as if someone may be trying to impede cases.  

    House Judiciary Chair, Jerry Nadler, is going to invite Berman to testify. Barr, is either into Trump corruption even more than thought, or is continuing along with his Opus Dei mission. Or both.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:38:00 AM EST
    I took what Berman said as

    "I'm looking at you, Bill"

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    My guess is that Giuliani pressed Tr*mp on it (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:04:11 PM EST
    and that Tr*mp ordered Barr to do it. Barr figured, why not; I know I don't have the power (because Berman was a judicially-named "Acting" U.S. Atty, not a Senate-confirmed four-year, or AG-appointed "interim") so I'll just pretend to go along with Tr*mp rather than antagonize him, knowing it won't stick.

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    That would be my guess, too. (none / 0) (#88)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:35:01 PM EST


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    Bountiful possibilities. (none / 0) (#97)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:19:04 PM EST
    Rudy, Lev and Igor; Deutsche Bank; Trump financials (Supreme Court may not rule in Trump's favor, it may be feared, although there s still NY); Epstein; campaign finances,.......

    My guess is that a big fish was being reeled into Berman's net.  And, a big problem for Trump's re-election. Enough of a problem for a risky firing being sneaked into town late on a Friday night.  And, something that involves both Trump  and Barr.  

    Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey, now trying it out via Barr.  But it seems out of character for Barr to take a transparent fall for Trump.  Lie?  sure, but looking incompetent?  Barr may have thought he was just being clever about getting the job done and stumbled into the unfamiliar territory of integrity.

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    Trump fired (none / 0) (#100)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:55:35 PM EST
    Berman.

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    I know what I'm doing (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:58:11 PM EST
    Wednesday

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    Barr's statement (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:00:26 PM EST
    on ABC news TWITTER

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    Now, Trump (none / 0) (#104)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:14:23 PM EST
    Says he is not "involved".   It is up to Barr to fire Berman.

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    From the letter above (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:23:06 PM EST
    ".....I have asked the president to remove you as f today, as he has done so"

    So, kind of involved.


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    Could it (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:30:39 PM EST
    be that one of them is lying.  Or, both.  

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    It does seem odd (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 04:03:38 PM EST
    They would not even bother to have their stories straight.
    It's a pretty big thing.  After all.

    This seems to have happened quickly.

    I tend to believe it was Barr and he expected Trump to back him up had maybe there was no time to rehearse.

    Ir they are just not afraid of us.  That's the scariest option.

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    Hot potato. (none / 0) (#109)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 04:12:56 PM EST
    Once again, a deplorable goes out on a limb only to have Trump saw it off.  We will know more if Trump claims he hardly knows  Barr.

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    Did he or didn't he? (none / 0) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 04:35:51 PM EST
    Trump claims firing Berman was 'up to' Barr
    June 20, 2020 | 3:29 PM EDT
    President Trump told reporters June 20 that firing the top federal prosecutor in New York, U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman, was the responsibility of Attorney General William P. Barr. Barr, however, had written in a letter that Trump had removed Berman.

    Definitely, conflicting statements. If I were Berman, I would request Trump give him something in writing.

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    Berman will leave quietly (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 05:16:44 PM EST
    The question of who is leading the DOJ's Southern District of New York appeared to be settled on Saturday after Georffrey Berman announced he would be immediately vacating his position.

    There was a question as to whether he had been legally fired after Donald Trump disputed AG Bill Barr's claims that the president had fired Berman.

    "In light of A. G. Barr's decision to respect the normal operation of law and have Deputy U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss become Acting U.S. Attorney, I will be leaving the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, effective immediately," Berman said in a statement released Saturday.

    RawStory

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    Wonder how long (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 05:20:41 PM EST
    Audrey will last?

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    This is actually an intriguing (theoretical) issue (none / 0) (#116)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 05:50:21 PM EST
    Under the statute, the AG cannot remove a judicially-appointed Acting US Attorney. But under Article II of the Constitution, it does seem like the President can. And it seems curious under the separation of powers that Congress can authorize judges to appoint the prosecutor for their district to start with, even where the presidentially nominated US Attorney has not been (and will not be) confirmed by the Senate, as required. A conundrum. But of no practical import if Berman resigns and his chosen Deputy steps in.

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    Kind of shocking the federal district (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 07:59:49 PM EST
    court is empowered to appoint the head prosecutor.

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    What Is Wrong With That? (none / 0) (#122)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 08:17:14 PM EST
    It's better than letting politicians do it.

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    Oh, separation of powers. (none / 0) (#126)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:22:51 PM EST


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    That Makes No Sense (none / 0) (#137)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 08:59:52 AM EST
    The unique to the US method of letting all judges and prosecutors be elected or appointed by the executive and legislative branches leads to much bigger abuses than letting judges pick prosecutors.  I think the judicial branch should be run like the civil service portion of the executive branch.

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    Boy was I wrong... (none / 0) (#124)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 09:59:32 PM EST
    President Blimp said, "I had nothing to do with it," on the way to Mr. Helicopter.

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    How much (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:41:24 PM EST
    can  he say on Wednesday?

    He's been called by Nadler.

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    Lindsey weighs in (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:54:46 PM EST
    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) signaled on Saturday that he will not move forward with a nomination for the U.S. attorney for Manhattan without sign off from two Democratic senators, The Hill reports.

    Graham said he would wait to receive a "blue slip" -- a sheet of paper that indicates if a home-state senator supports a nomination -- before moving forward with a new nominee to be the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

    Said Graham: "As to processing U.S. Attorney nominations, it has always been the policy of the Judiciary Committee to receive blue slips from the home state senators before proceeding to the nomination. As chairman, I have honored that policy and will continue to do so."



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    Evidently (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    I took a long time composing my comment and posted much the same info. Don't think yours was there when I started but Great Minds" and all.

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    This gets increasingly interesting (none / 0) (#92)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 01:15:23 PM EST
    Bergman's statement:

    "I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate," Berman said. "Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption."

    Graham signals he won't take up U.S. attorney pick without Schumer, Gillibrand sign off

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) signaled on Saturday that he will not move forward with a nomination for the U.S. attorney for Manhattan without sign off from two Democratic senators.

    Graham said he would wait to receive a "blue slip" -- a sheet of paper that indicates if a home-state senator supports a nomination -- before moving forward with a new nominee to be the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

    "As to processing U.S. Attorney nominations, it has always been the policy of the Judiciary Committee to receive blue slips from the home state senators before proceeding to the nomination," Graham said in a statement. "As chairman, I have honored that policy and will continue to do so."



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    Pass the popcorn (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:46:07 PM EST

    "Attorney William Barr said on Saturday that President Trump had fired the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, who has investigated the president's closest associates, deepening a crisis over the independence of law enforcement and the president's purge of officials he views as disloyal," the New York Times reports.

    "Mr. Trump removed the prosecutor, Geoffrey S. Berman, United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, after he had refused to step down on Friday night. The president's announcement capped an extraordinary clash over an office that has been at the forefront of corruption inquiries into Mr. Trump's inner circle."

    Barr said Berman had "chosen public spectacle over public service," while adding, "Because you have declared that you have no intention of resigning, I have asked the President to remove you as of today, and he has done so."

    Times

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    More Crazy Time... (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 19, 2020 at 11:18:06 PM EST
    President Trump's pick to lead the U.S. Agency for Global Media, Michael Pack, showed up to work Wednesday for the first time after being approved by the U.S. Senate two weeks earlier.

    Pack swiftly sidelined most of the agency's senior leadership by stripping them of their authority. He also fired the chiefs of the government-sponsored broadcast networks for foreign audiences that his agency oversees, including Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty; Radio Free Asia; Office of Cuba Broadcasting, which oversees Radio and Television Martí; and Middle East Broadcasting Networks, which runs Alhurra and Radio Sawa.

    Pack dissolved advisory boards over each of the networks and placed his own aides above them. He gave no reason for his actions other than his authority to do so, according to two people with direct knowledge of the day's events.

    NPR

    My late father worked all his life (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:49:48 AM EST
    for the Voice of America (overseas US govt-sponsored news and arts radio), one of the agencies that the Tr*mpistas are destroying. He was deeply proud of the professionalism and independence of the VOA's news service, which he insisted was its greatest weapon in winning international support for the USA, much more so than if it broadcast propaganda. (He was also very tickled that the most popular radio show in the world was Willis Conover's VOA jazz program.) His heart would be breaking today, if he were still alive.

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    Rachel did a very good segment on this (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:00:33 PM EST
    Last night

    it's currently the top story

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    So very sorry. (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 07:55:52 PM EST


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    Parents brought a newborn (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Yman on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 08:31:32 AM EST
    ... (3 weeks old) to the rally.  Not bothering with masks, of course.  Some kids definitely lose the parent lottery.

    Oy.

    Ha (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:22:56 PM EST
    you've probably heard this before, but it was smaller than we expected

    Love that Lincoln Project

    Just a thought (none / 0) (#1)
    by jmacWA on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 04:29:58 AM EST
    regarding Trump's family and re-election.

    After reading for the last few days about Melania's renegotiation of her prenup I have been thinking that perhaps she gets a bigger slice of pie if he wins re-election.  I have not seen any reporting on this, but in a weird way it makes sense to me.

    The (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 06:06:02 AM EST
    oldest profession in the world, second helpings are not free.

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    Requiring (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 06:19:55 AM EST
    Trump to get checked out could be done by the GOP too. It's actually more of the responsibility of the GOP than his sons and daughter. However none of them are going to do anything about Trump so here we are. Short of stroking out I expect him to be the GOP nominee.  

    Not was is meant by (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 07:59:51 AM EST
    "2 handed drinker"

    It was slippery (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:09:19 AM EST
    He says

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    10h
    The ramp that I descended after my West Point Commencement speech was very long & steep, had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is "fall" for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!

    If Biden did this it would be in already OANN stories about his decline.  And probably an ad.

    On another subject...

    This would be funny if it was not scary.

    The Daily Beast says Trump campaign officials spend a lot of time "convincing Trump that the electoral landscape and polling deficits he faces aren't as dire as he's been hearing."

    Said a White House official: "This helps keep the president from flying into a rage as much as he otherwise would."

    In the characterization of one source close to the president, a chunk of the re-election team focuses on proving to the president that his "dumpster-fire numbers" aren't as bad as they seem, or reinforcing Trump's conviction that pollsters get it wrong "all the time."

    Great.  So, when he loses he will be even more sure it was "rigged"

    Have you ever tried to walk (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 12:37:01 PM EST
    With any grace down a ramp?  When I did meals on wheels there was a lot of ramps.

    And the truth is walking down a ramp is awkward.  More so I expect in ceremonial events.   Obviously the guy walking next to him had either done this before or rehearsed or both.

    The highlight was watching Trump like an 8yo in a fun house.  Leaping at the end in celebration he made it.

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    I remember (none / 0) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 02:34:04 PM EST
    Working on a concert in San Diego that that had a ramp up to the stage. Ten Years After guitarist Alvin Lee kept sliding out the back of his clogs, had to turned around and back up to the stage.

    Not a great entrance to a  rock show!

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    Was it a ramp, or a set of stairsteps? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 03:25:01 PM EST
    The linked story is internally contradictory on this basic fact.

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    I say it was a ramp (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 03:34:58 PM EST
    Only from watching him walk down it.  But he a actually says ramp his tweet.

    FWIW


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    Times (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 03:42:22 PM EST
    link to paywall

    "President Trump faced new questions about his health on Sunday, after videos emerged of him gingerly walking down a ramp at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and having trouble bringing a glass of water to his mouth during a speech there," the New York Times reports.



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    I have, with great (none / 0) (#21)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 03:57:56 PM EST
    difficulty but I do not have good balance to begin with. In 1997 or 98, whenever Columbine happened, MSNBC had us doing live shots from a trailer parked at the school (as every network was doing). I tripped and fell on the ramp leaving and hurt the top of my foot. It has never been the same. Just last year I had it xrayed again because it still swells sometimes. Nothing showed up on the xray.

    So I can identify with his struggle down the stair ramp, but what I can't figure out is how his aides didn't object or warn him in the first place.

    Gerald Ford used to fall a lot, Chevy Chase made a career of it.

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    I think I could walk up a ramp (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 04:25:27 PM EST
    With reasonable grace.  It's walking down one that's awkward.  Not (for me) difficult really, just awkward.  I was thinking there must be some science about walking down slopes.  Turns out there is.  The funny thing is what they describe infants do is EXACTLY what he did.

    How Infants Learn to Walk Down Slopes

    Previous work suggests that infants are capable of implementing a braking strategy but only after many weeks of walking experience. At 14 months of age, modifications in step length and walk time are only loosely related to slope angle and infants frequently cope by running down slopes (Adolph & Avolio, 2000). Anecdotally, we have observed older, more experienced walking infants use the braking strategy to descend tremendously steep (36° - 44°) slopes, a performance so nerve-wracking that caregivers and experimenters held their breath as the infants took step after tiny step until arriving at the landing platform. Similarly, McGraw (1935) described one child's descent of an 18° slope as a progression of "tiny steps, so tiny indeed that he scarcely lifted the foot off the slide as he moved it forward" (p. 150).

    Current Study

    The current study expands on previous work that described how infants decide whether to walk down slopes, by examining infants' decisions about how to walk.



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    Stand not upon the order of your going, but (none / 0) (#23)
    by Erehwon on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 05:21:35 PM EST
    go at once!

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    I'd be very surprised (none / 0) (#6)
    by smott on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:12:52 AM EST
    If he drops out.
    Tish James likely has an indictment w his name on it (maybe his kids too) waiting for him the moment he leaves office.

    I more expect him to pull every trick possible to call the election illegitimate if he loses. Every close race taken right up to SCOTUS. Lots of rat f-cling, ballots disappearing, polling places closed and so on, the full Brian Kemp treatment in every close red state. How long did it take us to get Franken installed? Like a year?

    There's also the chance that some close states where he's ahead on Election night, with Dem mail in ballots arriving in the next few days eventually flipping to Biden, which will give more momentum to Fraud claims.

    I think it's gonna be ugly. I think he was testing the waters for military coup in November with his insanity over Lafayette Sq and calling in the 101st. We're in for a lot of unrest.

    I agree about the trial run. (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:23:10 AM EST
    The good news is while it might have achieved its short term goal it was a spectacular failure as far as the coup thing goes.

    He primed the military to be seen as completely justified in ignoring illegal orders.  They have said as much.  

    I agree it will be ugly.  I've been saying that forever.  

    One other thing, people like Maher and others have been criticizing the idea we "need to win by a lot".  On its face that is an offensive idea.  That I agree with.

    OTOH the bigger the win is the harder it will be for him or even Barr to actually do anything to stop his eviction in January.

    And the win is going to be big.  The biggest maybe ever.

    They can do what ever they want people will crawl over broken glass to vote.  Look at what just happened in GA.  

    Voter turnout soared in Georgia despite massive primary day problems

    I think he might try to leave the country.

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    It was heartening (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by smott on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 09:28:00 AM EST
    To see the immediate push back from retired military. And good to see Milley apologize , if belatedly. Of course maybe he'll be ex-chairman soon enough lol!
    I'm also amazed to see Trump's supposedly rock-hard approval among Republicans drop suddenly this week from 94% to 85%. Stunning. You have to wonder if loss of support from military/their fame is part of that.
    Maybe our MTracy can weigh in!

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    I saw Dexter Filkins (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:33:06 AM EST
    A great reporter for the New Yorker talking about this a few days ago.  He said the threat and the danger was absolutely real.  But he said his options are pretty limited.  And those opinions had absolutely been discussed by Trump and the minions.

    Here is the one scenario Filkins said kept him up at night.

    Trump loses and he calls up one of the crazy GOP governors and requests they send that states Guard to surround the White House to protect him while he brings legal challenges in every state he lost.

    Remember the people participating in the park were all out of town National Guard.

    This is legally possible.  He said.

    I say buckle up.  Winning is just the beginning.

     

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    Transcript (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 08:56:54 AM EST
    of the Filkins interview

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#12)
    by smott on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 10:07:31 AM EST
    For the link, great stuff

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    Can you imagine (none / 0) (#11)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 09:48:41 AM EST
    ...if Trump was forced to drop out of the campaign for health reasons, and Pence became the nominee?

    Biden by 40%.

    I just saw a Biden spot (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 14, 2020 at 01:37:03 PM EST
    that made me wonder if the DNC is targeting the early onset dementia demograph.

    Joe almost looked like he had make-up on to make him look older. Because "old people vote" or something?

    I wonder what in the hell these people are thinking. They're going to figure out some way to blow this, I'm half convinced.

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    A good Trump? (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2020 at 03:28:54 PM EST
    Is it even possible?

    The New York Times has the full title of the book coming later this summer from Mary Trump, the president's niece: Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man.

    "A book by a member of the president's own family is likely to be a lightning rod. Mr. Trump is facing criticism for his handling of the pandemic and the nationwide protests against police brutality, and his niece's book is scheduled to come out just a few months before the election."

    There's still no listing for the book on Amazon or other booksellers.
    More Details (none / 0) (#26)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jun 15, 2020 at 04:21:58 PM EST
    Citing "people familiar with the matter," the Daily Beast says Mary will detail in the book how she played a critical role helping the Times publish news-making revelations about Trump's taxes, including how he was involved in "fraudulent" tax schemes and had received more than $400 million in today's dollars from his father's real-estate empire. The book reportedly makes the claim that Mary was a primary source for the Times's investigation, supplying Fred Trump Sr.'s tax returns and other highly confidential family financial documentation to the paper. (The Times has declined comment.)
    Link Now when can we expect the Supreme Court decision on Trump's financial records?  Let it all pile on.

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    I was wondering the same thing (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 15, 2020 at 04:47:59 PM EST
    About the Trump financial records decisions.

    Pretty soon I expect.

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    Cease and desist (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 08:10:32 PM EST
    According to two people familiar with the situation, Donald Trump has told people close to him that he's getting his lawyers to look into the Mary Trump matter, to explore what could be done in the way of legal retribution--or at least a threat--likely in the form of a cease and desist letter. One of the sources with knowledge of the situation said that in the past couple of days, the president appeared irked by news of her book and at one point mentioned that Mary had signed an NDA years ago.

    DailyBeast


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    Sounds like that NDA (if accurately summarized) (none / 0) (#45)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 06:41:32 PM EST
    is way overbroad and of excessive duration to be enforced, even if not overriden by the First Amendment in its entirety.

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    I don't know about his neurological state. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 at 04:21:52 PM EST
    But this guy is a freaking idiot. SNL material is an understatement. As some states are now reporting ever higher numbers of new cases, he claims the US has defeated the coronavirus. Holy $hit! Please put an end this madness.

    Polls (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 11:20:08 AM EST
    A new TIPP poll in Florida finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump by 11 points among likely voters, 51% to 40%

    A new Public Policy Polling survey in Georgia finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 48% to 46%.

    In the U.S. Senate race, Jon Ossof (D) barely leads Sen. David Perdue (R), 45% to 44%.
    And Investors' Business Daily (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 11:42:34 AM EST
    Will be receiving a cease and desist letter from Trump's lawyers and a demand that they retract the TIPP poll results in 3....2....1.

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    The polls (none / 0) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 11:38:30 AM EST
    look good.  Voters, jump on the bandwagon!

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    I think Biden (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 02:44:48 PM EST
    may squeak through but Ossoff is really weak candidate to run statewide. In the results from last Tuesday there were voters who voted for Perdue but would not vote for Trump. Biden might get those voters but Ossoff won't. I will be interested to see what Ossoff does when the GOP starts running ads calling him the human money incinerator who couldn't even vote for himself.

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    I did NOT know that (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 05:33:32 PM EST
    Said Trump: "They've come up with the AIDS vaccine. As you know, there's various things, and now various companies are involved."
    See comment #25. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 06:11:29 PM EST
    Freaking idiot.

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    "As you know" (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 16, 2020 at 06:14:35 PM EST
    Is one of my favorite of his crazy tics

    He always says it after the most obviously ridiculous lies.

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    Democratic plot (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 11:47:52 AM EST
    Liberals at work

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    Biden - A Republican's Republican (none / 0) (#41)
    by NoSides on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 12:13:22 PM EST
    A group of Republicans - including former White House staffer Anthony Scaramucci - are launching a super PAC to get Republicans to cast their ballot for Joe Biden.

    Scaramucci said that Biden is, "the right person to vote for if they want to stay true to their principles and to the legacy of the Republican Party."

    That's what it's come to.


    If you feed it (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 12:21:12 PM EST
    It will stay.

    If you ignore it it will die right here.

    Please.  Ignore it.

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    For those with a sweet tooth (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:41:15 PM EST
    Troll party snack mix

    Ingredients

        4 cups popped popcorn
        2 cups pretzels
        1/2 cup small Jelly Beans
        Wilton Sprinkles Candy Pearlized Diamonds
        Wilton Sprinkle Jimmies in pink, blue and green
        25 turquoise candy melts
        25 bright pink candy melts
        25 yellow candy melts

    Instructions
    Place parchment or wax paper on a baking sheet.
    Spread popcorn and pretzels on baking sheet.
    Microwave 1 color candy melts in a microwave for 30 seconds and stir. Return to the microwave in 15 second increments until nearly melted. Stir until completely melted.
    Drizzle candy melts over popcorn and pretzels with a spoon. Sprinkle with jelly beans, candy diamonds and colored jimmies.
    Continue with remaining two color candy melts adding jimmies, jelly beans and candy diamonds after each color.
    Let set for 15 minutes to harden.
    Break apart and enjoy.


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    Oh please (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 05:28:05 PM EST
    Oh please oh please

    Federal prosecutors are mulling criminal charges against John Bolton

    Really? (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:24 PM EST
    The news outlets all have copies.  I sort of hope this works and Bolton doesn't make a penny but all the info is already out.

    "The Justice Department on Wednesday night sought an emergency order from a judge blocking the publication of former national security adviser John Bolton's forthcoming White House memoir, escalating a legal battle against the former Trump aide even after many of its most explosive details had spilled out into public view," the Washington Post reports.

    "Wednesday's move sought to formally enjoin Bolton from allowing his book to be published, a legal strategy experts said was unlikely to succeed, particularly given that the book has already been printed and shipped to warehouses and copies distributed to the media for review."



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    Except for (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 07:28:27 PM EST
    The 2 million advance.

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    The judge sez....... (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:11:39 AM EST
    The book comes out but he also sez there is probably classified stuff in the book.

    Which leads to very interesting questions like what happens now.

    Can't believe Trump won't run with the judges opinion (he's calling it a VICTORY) and try to charge Bolton with something.  It would be a great distraction for the bobble heads.

    And will we really get to talk about how much sense it makes for Trump to be the final word on classifying anything he wants suppressed

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    Good question (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 06:36:34 PM EST
    Are Trump's Problems With Walking, Drinking Water Due To Hydroxychloroquine?


    Physicians have rightly been concerned about the cardiac effects of this medication on the heart's rhythm. But hydroxychloroquine has some other, less frequently cited adverse effects. If you read the FDA required package insert under adverse effects, here is what you will find:

    "Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders: Sensorimotor disorder, skeletal muscle myopathy or neuromyopathy leading to progressive weakness and atrophy of proximal muscle groups, depression of tendon reflexes and abnormal nerve conduction."

    Proximal muscles are those closest to our body, like the muscles of the upper arm that raise the arm and hand. Or the muscles of the thigh that are actively involved in all phases of walking. It is not an overly common adverse side effect. It is probably relatively rare, but a quick search uncovered a review of 10 cases of hydroxychloroquine associated neuromyopathy.


    Dr. Dinerstein (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 17, 2020 at 07:09:14 PM EST
    makes an important contribution in pointing out that drugs, with specific reference to hydroxychloroquine, are pharmacological double-edged swords.  Effects and side effects, benefits and risks.  Trump, as may be expected, is wrong on his advice of take it, what do you have to lose.

    It may be that hydroxychoroquine, if, in fact, really taken, exacerbated an existing condition. But, these symptoms have been observed for some time, such as being a two-handed drinker, odd gait, slurred speech, and difficulty negotiating steps.  We still don't know what that emergency, partial physical at Walter Reed last November was about.  We do know that Trump is a mess of long standing.


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    Or..... (none / 0) (#52)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 01:50:25 PM EST
    Frontotemporal dementia.

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    Super Duper Spreaderzilla (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 10:51:23 AM EST

    "President Trump's campaign plans to turn this weekend's Tulsa rally into a massive pro-Trump festival complete with musical acts, and it's flying in high-profile backers and camera crews to show the world the fervency of his supporters," Axios reports.

    "Organizers are leasing a jet to fly in surrogates the night before and multiple film crews are being brought in to record the event... Watch for these scenes to be quickly converted into TV ads."

    This could go so spectacularly wrong.

    Invitees (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 04:40:49 PM EST
    Arizona Sheriff Who Refused To Enforce Lockdown Now Has COVID-19

    Sheriff Mark Lamb said he thinks he caught it at a campaign event, where no one wore masks or practiced social distancing, naturally.
    ...
    Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb announced on Facebook on Wednesday that he had tested positive, likely from attending a campaign event on Saturday. He says he found out when he was called on Tuesday to meet with President Trump at the White House and was screened for the virus.

    Gotta love when Karma wakes up and does it's job.

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    If he does this (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:06:39 PM EST
    In the face of stuff like this from TulasWorld

    I'm a Tulsa emergency physician and conservative, and the Trump rally is a terrible idea

    And it turns out to be an explosion of cases, and really how could it not, I think it's almost impossible to overstate what a political disaster it will be for Trump.

    And there is plenty of time for it to play out before the election and you know the tracking is going to be extensive.

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    We are in Jim Jones territory now (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 12:11:20 PM EST
    President Trump was asked about his upcoming indoor campaign rally by Gray Television's Jacqueline Policastro:

    POLICASTRO: Coronavirus cases are rising in 22 states, including Oklahoma, where you plan to hold a big rally this week. Aren't you worried about people getting sick?

    TRUMP: No, because if you look, the numbers are very minuscule compared to what it was. It's dying out.



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    If I admitted I did... (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 12:14:15 PM EST

    President Trump told the Wall Street Journal that coronavirus testing is "overrated" and claimed that some Americans may be wearing masks to signal disapproval of him -- not as a preventative measure.

    ...would you think less of me?

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    Everything, literally everything (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 04:41:20 PM EST
    in this world is seen to him as being about him and nothing else. How is the idiot allowed to get out of bed everyday?

    He tweeted out how the Supreme Court doesn't like HIM. Supreme Court decisions are not about the law, they are about how much the justices like him or not.

    I still cannot comprehend how we got here. I have a cousin, who is a retired federal employee, from the DOJ no less. Never broke the law, never wished anyone ill will. She wants this guy dead. She tells me every time I talk to her on the phone how much she want him dead. By any means. Stroke, COVID, assassination, she doesn't care. It's startling to hear her talk this way. That's where the orange idiot has taken this country.


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    I honestly don't think anyone (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 04:58:37 PM EST
    Ever wore a mask to make Trump cry.  Except maybe me.

    The irony is lots of people refuse to wear a mask because if him.

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    I have a friend (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 06:13:27 PM EST
    like that. She always talks about wanting him to die or catch covid or have a heart attack or a stroke. I'm like sitting around wanting him to die doesn't help her or help the situation at all.

    What I do want is for him to lose the election and face criminal charges and spend the rest of his natural life in jail which probably wouldn't be much jail time considering his poor health.

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    Husband Zorba (none / 0) (#53)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 01:54:04 PM EST
    Is a virologist.  Wear the d@mned mask for the sake of your health and the health of others around you.  Not to "get back at" Trump and his acolytes.

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    I can do both (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 01:55:57 PM EST


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    LOL! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:05:51 PM EST


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    CNN (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:43:10 PM EST
    Oklahoma is seeing a steady increase in its average of new confirmed cases per day.

    As of Thursday morning, Tulsa County currently has the most cases -- 1,825 total -- of any county in the state, according to the Oklahoma State Department of Health. New cases in Tulsa County have also been climbing, and the county is now seeing its highest seven-day average for new cases at 73.9, according to the Tulsa Health Department.



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    Come for the racism, (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 04:31:09 PM EST
    stay for the pandemic.

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    Death Clock (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:06:18 PM EST
    Trump coronavirus 'Death Clock' truck enters Tulsa ahead of rally

    The Trump Death Clock truck moved in to join the camaraderie in Tulsa, Okla., ahead of President Trump's rally there Saturday evening.

    The truck displays digital statistics on three different faces of the vehicle, delivering a real-time tracker of alleged needless American deaths due to Trump's response to the coronavirus pandemic, The Guardian reported.

    The mobilized clock is strategically placed outside the BOK Center, where Trump's rally is scheduled to begin at 7 p.m. CT on Saturday.



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    Twofer (none / 0) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 04:45:38 PM EST
    Two Baby Trump balloons are in the air in Tulsa.  

    ...The Shrine venue the balloon sits atop, directed those seeking to donate toward his cause to send funds to the historic Vernon AME Church's restoration effort, Tulsa World reported.


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    It's already packed (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 04:49:24 PM EST
    And they are already screaming.

    I can't hear them but I imagine them screaming this.....

    2 mins and 10 secs In

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    Ha (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 05:11:29 PM EST
    Joy Reid just said Trump just turned "The Eye of Sauron" on the SDNY

    great minds.

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    Given that BOK Arena seats 19,000 ... (none / 0) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 01:04:40 AM EST
    ... I'm going to guess that the attendance at tonight's Trump shitsho-- er, excuse me, I mean, "political rally" was about 12,000 to 14,000, tops.

    This is all ANTIFA's fault.

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    How bout half that? (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:36:38 AM EST
    The Tulsa Fire Marshal told the Washington Post that were only about 6,100 people in the arena for President Trump's campaign rally last night, even though the space can hold 19,000.



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    Ouch (none / 0) (#133)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:54:35 AM EST
    that really has to hurt.

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    When they start dying (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 07:26:42 AM EST
    I wonder if they might wish they had used all that space and spread out.

    Totally could have.

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    Uncle Ben's Rice (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:09:06 PM EST
    too

    Cream of Wheat (none / 0) (#57)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:12:58 PM EST
    is reviewing its packaging also.

    Since 1893, Cream of Wheat's logo has featured a smiling Black chef, not dissimilar to the Aunt Jemima logo, which featured a smiling Black woman.


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    I don't understand this one. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 04:32:47 PM EST
    Cream of Wheat has a black man wearing a chef's hat. How is that racist? Would it make a difference if it was a white man in a chef's hat? I don't understand any issues with Mrs. Butterworth's as well. I always looked at the Mrs. Butterworth's bottle as a grandmotherly figure. Even the old commercials where the bottle "came alive" the character just seemed to me to be someone's grandmother. Maybe I'm clueless, but I don't see the racist overtones.


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    Well, the character's name is Rastus... (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:00:09 PM EST
    The character of Rastus had once been depicted by its makers as a cook who was barely literate and did not know about vitamins. Rastus is also a derogatory term traditionally associated with African Americans in the United States. For these reasons, B&G Foods had been under public pressure for years to make changes. - Wiki

    Here's an old ad for Cream of Wheat with Rastus.  Granted they have tried to cleanse their old Rastus character but still.

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    I did not know the Rastus origins (none / 0) (#69)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:37:06 PM EST
    I guess I'm a horrible person because I worked as a cook at Sambo's when I was 15.

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    I had forgotten about Sambo's... (none / 0) (#71)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:47:47 PM EST
    that must've been some time ago.

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    And a bit before that (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 07:05:06 PM EST
    VERY OFFENSIVE LINK that pretty much tells the tale of black portraiture in advertising

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    I had forgotten (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 07:25:16 PM EST
    That was the name of the ranch of Trumps former energy secretary.  Wonder if it still is.  I couldn't find a definite answer about that.

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    Over 45 years ago. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 07:07:14 PM EST
    In Meridian, MS. But we also had Sambo's in Stockton, CA when I lived there. Same time frame.

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    Sambos still exists (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 07:10:53 PM EST
    or did 10 days ago

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    This made me laugh (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:18:01 PM EST
    Look, just because Uncle Ben looks like Samuel L. Jackson's character in "Django Unchained" doesn't mean he is Samuel L. Jackson's character in "Django Unchained."

    But there are some similarities.

    Free tip for all U.S. businesses: If your company uses an African-American mascot that dates from the Jim Crow era or earlier, just go ahead and woke-ify now. Take the political cover created for you by this morning's news and put it to use.

    Don't let Aunt Jemima have died in vain.

    allahpundit can be pretty funny

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    Uncle Tom (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 02:31:25 PM EST
    Both Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's have also been criticized for relying on titles "aunt" and "uncle," which historically were used by people who resisted applying the honorific "Mr." or "Ms." to an African American person.

    link

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    How Does Governor DeSantis Sleep at Night? (none / 0) (#67)
    by john horse on Thu Jun 18, 2020 at 05:00:34 PM EST
    As Florida has seen a sharp increase in the number of Covid cases and deaths due to the reopening of businesses, Governor DeSantis continues to peddle the misleading claim that this increase is due to an increase in testing.  
    On Tuesday, the number of cases jumped by more than 2,700 statewide, setting a new single-day increase record.

    This is the misleading talking point recently suggested by Vice President Mike Pence.  

    All these additional needless deaths are on Governor DeSantis's hands.  I wonder how he sleeps at night.

    They just opened the BOK center (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 11:14:52 AM EST
    So there will be people, lots of people, inside from now until the last lie is told and the last librul owned.

    They are talking to attendees

    Holy hell.

    "I know the risk.  It's my right"

    At least 7 hours (none / 0) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 12:55:46 PM EST
    Indoors, yelling and screaming, in close contact with people not wearing masks. This of course is after spending several hours standing in line with lots and lots of people who haven't even had their temperature taken. What could go wrong?

    It is a shame that healthcare workers will have to risk their lives treating these people and those they come in contact with, if they get the virus.

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    Meanwhile (none / 0) (#94)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 01:28:16 PM EST
    6 Trump campaign staff working on pivotal Tulsa rally test positive for coronavirus

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    Who could have predicted (none / 0) (#95)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 01:33:43 PM EST
    Well, just about everyone with any sense.

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    Coronavirus (none / 0) (#99)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 02:46:47 PM EST
    Coronavirus dashboard stats say nearly 122,000 deaths in the US currently due to the trumparona virus.

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    Those rascally antifa kids (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:27:17 PM EST
    Will probably wait until showtime and sabotage the air conditioner

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    I wonder why he doesn't just (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 03:14:07 PM EST
    Put the makeup on his eyes?  It's such a strange thing.  

    Ask any drag qu€€n about putting make up on your eyes.  It's really not a problem

    It's really really noticeable today...  
    I think maybe he sees it as one of his signature looks  since it's in every  cartoon image.

    I've noticed it's often worse at these rallies

    The crowd seems much smaller than advertised (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 06:08:35 PM EST
    So far lots of empty seats and the outside stage where he was going to "address the overflow crowd" is vacant and abandoned.

    And they are putting out statements about how the "media frightened people"

    Heh

    They are dismantling the (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 06:25:11 PM EST
    "Overflow stage"

    Not a good look

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    They are saying (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 07:09:31 PM EST
    THey were played by 10s of thousands of fake RSVPs

    That there was an organized effort to do this.
    And they totally bought it.  Even building an overflow stage.

    By teenagers teenagers did this.

    I have to listen to as much as I can stand to see how he handles the tiny crowd

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    Orange clown #2 son (none / 0) (#123)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 08:50:57 PM EST
    calls protesters "animals." Cause that's gonna make it all better.

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    Saw Tweet (none / 0) (#125)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 20, 2020 at 10:08:52 PM EST
    That said teenage daughter had hundreds of tickets to the event. Trolled by the teens. New hashtag?

    Wonderfully,embarrassing.

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    There was no cap n tickets (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Towanda on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 02:07:29 AM EST
    So even if  teens ganged up to get hundreds of thousands of tickets, that doesn't  explain why twenty thousand did not show up, sufficient to fill the seats.

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    No just explains why they (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:40:18 AM EST
    So embarrassingly over sold the event to the press and built a giant overflow stage.

    New York Times: "TikTok users and fans of Korean pop music groups claimed to have registered potentially hundreds of thousands of tickets for Trump's campaign rally as a prank. After @TeamTrump tweeted asking supporters to register for free tickets using their phones on June 11, K-pop fan accounts began sharing the information with followers, encouraging them to register for the rally -- and then not show."

    "The trend quickly spread on TikTok, where videos with millions of views instructed viewers to do the same, as CNN reported on Tuesday."

    "Thousands of other users posted similar tweets and videos to TikTok that racked up millions of views."

    I'm actually encouraged they could only get 6100 to show up.  
    Maybe Trumpers are not all as stupid as I thought.

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    Poor baby Trump Ahhhhhhhh (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 09:26:17 AM EST
    LOL Trumps a Looser

    Video:: Trump returning to WH after humiliating rally. In close up half way through, he looks ready to cry.

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    This photo (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 01:11:03 PM EST
    is going to be one of those photos

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    It looks like (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 10:34:47 AM EST
    They might have realized what was happening with the punking and actually stopped letting people inside because they were afraid that a lot more of those who asked for tickets might be showing up.

    Leading to screamers that he would have to tell his supporters to beat up.  Not a good look considering current events,
    Maybe even worse than a small crowd.

    This was this morning on FNS.

    We all saw the pictures last night," Wallace explained. "The arena was no more than two-thirds full. And the outdoor rally was cancelled because there was no overflow crowd. What happened?"

    "The key here is to understand," Schlapp replied, "there were factors involved, they were concerned about the protesters who were coming in."

    There was that one scuffle with the woman in a BLM shirt.

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    I don't believe that for one minute (none / 0) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 11:29:14 AM EST
    Reporters disputed that "story" and the campaign sent out a last-minute text to supporters advising them that space was still available in the arena.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 11:43:16 AM EST
    That became pretty clear

    In fact that was not the whole quote.   And it sounded different in context.

    I should have corrected it.

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    I bet someone (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:51:01 AM EST
    Will be fired for this.  Hopefully Parscale.

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    Well...there is Tulsa Rosie (none / 0) (#136)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 08:44:00 AM EST
    who goes a long way to disprove your last sentence. 😄

    Kimmel asked Rosie what the president would theoretically have to do to lose her support, to which she replied, "Commit adultery on his beautiful, classy wife."
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    When Kimmel pointed out that Trump had, in fact, cheated on Melania with adult film star Stormy Daniels in 2006, a year after their marriage, Rosie replied, "That was years ago before he became president. Nobody is accountable for what he done when he was a lot younger." (Trump was 60 at the time he reportedly slept with Daniels.)

    Rawstory

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    I see (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 09:00:05 AM EST
    Your point

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    Probably last nights most newsworthy moment (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:43:59 AM EST
    President Trump told a crowd gathered for his campaign rally in Tulsa he asked officials to "slow the testing down" for the coronavirus, Axios reports.

    "This is the first time Trump has said that he had asked officials to slow testing down. At the rally, he also reiterated his claims that ramped up testing was to blame for the U.S. having the world's highest number of COVID-10 cases, as he again blamed China for the pandemic."
    The response was predictable (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 11:21:03 AM EST
    White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said Sunday that President Donald Trump was only joking when he said he asked his administration to slow down coronavirus testing for the sake of optics.

    Speaking with CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union," Navarro repeatedly said, "Come on now, Jake. You know it was tongue in cheek. Come on now. That was tongue in cheek," cutting off Tapper as he repeatedly asked about the president's remarks.

    I guess it's fortunate for us he seems unable to understand that for most reasonable people joking about it is at least as bad as actually doing it.

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