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Republicans Nominate Steve Scalise for House Speaker

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CNN reports that Republicans have nominated LA Congressman Steve Scalise to replace McCarthy as Speaker of the House. His success is not guaranteed as a majority of the House will need to vote for him.

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    Welcome back my friends (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 05:49:24 PM EST

    to the shiteshow that never ends

    Before even seeing your comment (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by coast on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 06:14:52 PM EST
    I was going describe this the same way.

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    So today (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 04:23:51 PM EST
    only 199 surrendered to the flame throwing clowns. Maybe more will quit surrendering.

    Johnson (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 08:26:05 PM EST
    wrote an op-ed stating that gays should be put in jail and so should anyone that has sex outside of marriage. He said this is the absolute responsiblity of the state to regulate. Just like we've always warned the GOP wants to be in your bedroom. Johnson wants to watch.

    Apparently (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 09:50:40 AM EST
    he wears an avuncular persona, but when he opens his mouth Mussolini falls out.

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    How long do you think it will take (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 10:10:19 AM EST
    for him to drag the House Into Trumps legal battles.  

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    It depends (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 12:13:59 PM EST
    on how long it takes God to tell him to get on his horse and ride to Trump's  rescue.  My guess is that this is a heavenly priority, so not long.

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    Aren't (none / 0) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 03:29:56 PM EST
    we already there with Jordan's idiotic committee?

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    He (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 11:12:34 AM EST
    is a throwback, says the loud parts quietly.

    The man thinks he has been anointed by God.

    The man is 2nd in line to launch nukes.

    Code red whacko alert, indeed.

    This is not normal.

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    Please renew attention (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 12:01:12 PM EST
    to the safety of the President and Vice President.  

    These people know an opportunity when they see one.

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    Hope there (none / 0) (#156)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    is an iron dome over the White House and Naval Observatory.   Security needs to be beefed up.

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    Johnson evidently has a podcast (none / 0) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 09:11:14 PM EST
    Seems this podcast will produce lots of good stuff for the Dems to use against the Republicans in the next election. Per Josh Marshall, he is on record being for a national abortion ban without any exceptions. Not even for the life of the mother.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 08:26:45 AM EST
    the never Trumpers are saying that he's a goldmine in oppo research and at least 20 Republicans are going to lose their seats in 2024 due to voting for Johnson.

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    Johnson (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 04:42:30 PM EST
    Was legal counsel and spokesman for ADF, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Law Center.  ADF focused on bans on abortion and contraception and on taking away rights of the LGBTQ community. Actually, it's seems "ban" in not the right term, it should be "criminalizing".

    In 2010 Johnson accepted a new job as founding Dean of a new law school at Louisiana College, now Louisiana Christian University.  He left in 2012 after the new law school failed after not meeting accreditation standards.  The aborted (so to say) law school was named for Paul Pressler, a Southern Baptist leader and a Texas appellate judge.  Pressler is now being investigated for alleged solicitation  and abuse of teenage boys.  It seems that Judge Pressler's proclivities were known for years.

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    This (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 06:22:01 AM EST
    also explains why Johnson is such a Putin fanboi.

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    But wait... (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 04:54:18 PM EST

    Steve Scalise Doesn't Have the Votes for Speaker
    October 11, 2023 at 5:40 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 39 Comments

    Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) estimated that "at least 20" conservative lawmakers won't back Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) for speaker, a replay of what happened to Kevin McCarthy back in January.

    Punchbowl News: "If this isn't already clear, the math isn't in Scalise's favor right now. He can only lose four Republicans on the floor and many more than that are currently publicly opposed to him."
    At some point (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 06:38:28 PM EST
    they are going to have to give up the ghost and start talking to Hakeem about a compromise speaker. Or 5 Republicans are going to have to take the hit and vote for Hakeem. This cannot continue to go on for months when Israel and Ukraine are waiting in the wings.

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    And yet (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 06:42:15 PM EST
    it does

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    The thing (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 08:54:43 PM EST
    that gets me is these people are supposed to be so tough and will defend the country when they can't even elect a speaker. What a bunch of clowns.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 10:19:59 AM EST
    Democrats must always play  "Father Knows Best", while Republicans re-enact "Lord of the Flies" on an endless loop.

    Hell of a way to run a country.

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    Nancy Mace (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 06:39:17 PM EST
    said she wasn't going to vote for David Duke without the baggage. LOL.

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    No vote (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 05:05:11 PM EST
    today

    Just 10 Republicans Needed (none / 0) (#10)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 03:05:00 PM EST
    for the Democrats to elect a choice for Speaker who they can all support.  It is hard for me to believe no such person exists who can get those votes.  Or do the Democrats secretly want chaos in order to improve their chances in the 2024 election?

    There (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 04:03:10 PM EST
    no adults in the GOP, or at least one willing to stand up and put their career or even their life on the line.

    Sure go ahead and question the Democrats, that's bure BS and you know it.

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    The Republicans (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 05:34:03 PM EST
    dysfunction is wide and deep.   You would think they could coalesce behind a favorite fascist.

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    I Hope The Democrats Take Advantage of This (none / 0) (#14)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 06:50:49 PM EST
    Congressman Ken Buck (R-CO-4), who is a longtime member of the far-right Freedom Caucus, is the latest in this pattern. He is also one of the more surprising in this pattern.

    Congressman Buck published a scathing op-ed in the Washington Post nearly four weeks ago, criticizing the Republican effort to impeach Biden without first presenting evidence of Biden committing any act that would merit impeachment.

    After the Republican caucus vote that nominated Steve Scalise as Speaker,Congressman Buck was interviewed by Katy Tur. In that interview he shared that he voted "Present" during the caucus vote for Speaker and he has not yet decided how he will vote on the floor. He said that to get his support a candidate for Speaker would need to do three things:

    Acknowledge publicly that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen.

    Commit to top line government funding numbers.

    Though Congressman Buck didn't expand on this item, the context is that this is a key piece in order to fund the government without another government shutdown.

    Commit to hold a vote on additional aid to Ukraine.

    This adds a big hurdle in Steve Scalise's or any Republican's path to win the Speakership as these actions would likely lose a Republican Speaker's candidate support from other Republicans.

    Link.  Maybe Buck couldn't get the support of all Democrats but there must be more moderate Republicans who agree with him on the above points.

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    It's (none / 0) (#16)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 05:53:50 AM EST
    funny how you don't hope Republicans take advantage of this.

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    Time to (none / 0) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 08:20:22 AM EST
    take advantage of Hastert's experience.  He's free.

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    Try (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 09:01:46 AM EST
    naming a Republican you could trust at this point ln time.

    I guess you could call Romney, Hogan and a few others "adults", but they are either exiting the stage or refusing to join the fray,

    As for the rest of them lying is a central part of their essence.

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    Oh my God (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 05:34:25 PM EST

    not A COALITION

    Republican Warns of `Coalition Speakership'
    October 12, 2023 at 5:26 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 146 Comments

    Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) warned that the House GOP's failure to support the candidate who won a majority of its votes will "paralyze the country indefinitely at what's a very difficult moment," Politico reports.

    Then he warned: "If people aren't very careful, they're going to open the door for a coalition speakership, which is not something that we should want to happen as Republicans."
    I would not bother to start a new thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 12, 2023 at 07:49:22 PM EST

    Scalise Ends Speaker Bid
    October 12, 2023 at 8:00 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 225 Comments

    House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LAl withdrew his bid to become speaker of the House, the Washington Post reports.

    This will throw the chamber into further chaos as Republicans struggle in their search for a new leader.
    So What Do the Democrats Want? (none / 0) (#19)
    by RickyJim on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 10:20:53 AM EST
    Apparently, the Democrats have not let it known what a speaker candidate has to promise in order to get their support.
    Armed Services Committee Chair Mike Rogers, R-Ala. told Bloomberg that a deal might be possible, but Democrats needed to present their conditions first.

    "They put us in this ditch along with eight traitors," he said. "We're still the majority party, we're willing to work with them, but they gotta tell us what they need."
    This is BS (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 10:29:24 AM EST
    they put themselves in the ditch.  Can anyone imagine Nancy, who had the same numbers, crawling to republicans for help.

    This is ridiculous.  The world needs to see how ridiculous it is.  

    Democrats have no responsibility to clean up after these incompetent idiots.

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    But to answer your question theoretically (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 10:30:55 AM EST
    if it was me I would say drop impeachment and we can talk.

    Maybe.

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    And (none / 0) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    fund the fkng government and Ukraine, it's fkng obvious, they act like clueless children.

    STOP the BS first of all then we can talk, maybe.

    But they won't, or maybe by this time can't, stop.

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    Sadly (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:05:25 PM EST
    they could.  All they would have to do is put the good of the country before their reelection.

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    Like this (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:11:57 PM EST

    Four top centrist Democrats on Friday sent a pitch to Acting Speaker Patrick McHenry: Let's get the House working again," Politico reports.

    "Democrats told him they support giving him `temporary, expanded authorities' that would allow the House to take up the most urgent bills -- namely, government funding plans."

    "Specifically, the Democrats are proposing to let McHenry bring up any emergency aid for Ukraine or Israel, a short-term bill that extends government funding through Jan. 11, or general consideration of fiscal 2024 spending bills. Those powers should be limited to 15-day increments.



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    Nope (none / 0) (#27)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:21:43 PM EST
    they nominate Gym Jordan, the king of Republican BS.

    Why do they hate America?

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    Because (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:40:32 PM EST
    it gets them reelected

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 09:36:18 AM EST
    but likely it is going to be a bloodbath outside of gerrymandered GOP districts. Hakeem will be the speaker come 2025 if Jordan is speaker for the next year.

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    Why is it up to Democrats ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 14, 2023 at 05:39:35 AM EST
    "Shana, they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash!"
    - Jack Kirkpatrick (William Tregoe), "Airplane!" (1980)

    ... to fix the Republicans' clown car for them? Phuque Mike Rogers.

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    It us now Friday (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:05:06 PM EST
    And Scalise has dropped out. Next week maybe they will Find someone else.

    I predicted this (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 03:14:14 PM EST
    it will likely happen because unlike the extremists the "moderates" are gutless invertebrates who will go along.

    Jim Jordan Wins GOP Nomination for Speaker
    October 13, 2023 at 4:06 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    The House Republican Conference nominated Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) to be Speaker of the House over Austin Scott, 124 to 81.

    The nomination must now go to the House floor for a vote.

    Jake Sherman: "He can go to the floor and risk losing on the first ballot. But if he lost on the first ballot, at least he'd know who is opposed to him so he can try to work them over."
    This is why it might work for Gym (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 05:49:27 PM EST

    Some GOP lawmakers will start considering forming a coalition leadership structure with Democrats. This will be unpalatable to a huge number of Republicans



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    This along with (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 13, 2023 at 05:53:15 PM EST
    shite hitting the fan globally every where you look and you have a good excuse to fold like a cheap suit.  The "moderates" will.

    I hope I'm wrong.  But I always thought if Kevin went Gym was coming.  And I still do.

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    Supposedly (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 15, 2023 at 04:21:15 PM EST
    there are 20 hard nos or more for Jordan. Apparently Jordan is threatening them and so like you say they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

    And there will be no funding for Ukraine and Putin will advance on them and also Israel. And they will blame Democrats for their vote like they always do.

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    There have been 3 (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 11:08:58 AM EST
    public defections to Jordan this morning.  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 12:53:55 PM EST
    and then there have been a few nos like Bacon. So we'll see but the GOP will reap what they sow with Jordan. The bad news is the rest of us will also at least for the next year. Youngkin can write off his presidential aspirations because this is going to kill the GOP in VA.

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    Here's why this will happen (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 01:08:19 PM EST
    They are beginning to understand that if they don't do something -now- there is going to be some kind of deal with the democrats.  

    They will never allow that IMO.

    If Gym is what it takes so be it.

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    Definitely (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 01:47:37 PM EST
    seems to be what is happening. I will laugh and laugh if Jeffries trolled them into nominating a clown like Jordan.

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    This'll probably do it for Gym (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 03:16:51 PM EST

    GOP lawmakers say Jordan gave assurances on Israel-Ukraine aid

    Doubtful (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 03:54:55 PM EST
    The anti-Ukraine brigade is the one that has been pushing Jordan. I think Jordan is promising everybody everything like Qevin did and we'll have another months and months of crap shows.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 04:15:43 PM EST
    the pledge would have been to the pro Ukraine brigade.  They are the ones voting against Gym.

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    Now his (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 08:00:53 PM EST
    spokesperson has backed off that and said he never promised aid to Ukraine. So here we go again with the Qevin nonsense of everybody thinking Jordan is on their side and then when he has to pass something there is another food fight.

    The fundraisers are saying they are not going to donate if Jordan is speaker. Jim seems to think he can replace their money. LOL.

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    Another (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 08:23:34 PM EST
    thing someone pointed out is that Jim has no idea how to be speaker. He's never had a competetive race in the OH legislature or the house. He's never passed 1 piece of legislation in 16 years yet they are going to elect this flamethrowing clown speaker? Well, when the entire caucus is clowns you get a clown.

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    He has an idea (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 16, 2023 at 08:39:51 PM EST
    He was not elected to make government work. Exactly the opposite. He is the perfect face of the republican party. I continue to be surprised anyone is surprised he could be Speaker.

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    Well, (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:46:07 AM EST
    there's this false hope that the so called moderates will do the right thing. The so called moderates will surrender to the flame throwing clown caucus every time and so will everybody else it seems even those so called serious conservatives.

    Not making the government work has been a goal of the GOP for at least 30 years. The media has been normalizing these clowns for decades. Voters keep voting for them. The silver lining here is that maybe voters will finally see that all the GOP has to offer is poo flinging monkeys and flame throwing clowns. The bad news is it is going to be another year of nonsense but that would have happened even with McCarthy. While McCarthy wasn't part of the flame throwing clown caucus he was totally controlled by them.

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    So (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 08:46:02 AM EST
    as of this morning Jordan doesn't have the votes. We shall see if the flame throwing clowns threatening the holdouts works. Usually the GOP totally surrenders.

    I am totally (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 01:57:46 PM EST
    shocked Gym went down on the first vote. The press repeating Gym's lying and gaslighting got us to the point where we all thought he was going to win. Shame on them.

    NOw the wavering yes are not going to vote for Jordan again. I guess someone else will have to step forward.

    The (none / 0) (#47)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 02:36:59 PM EST
    press didn't buy the lies, they just wanted a horserace.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 03:59:51 PM EST
    no one expected him to win on the first vote.  Not even his supporters.

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    There is another vote (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:00:21 PM EST
    at 6

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    Tomorrow (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:28:40 PM EST

    Speaker Vote Canceled for Tonight
    October 17, 2023 at 5:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    The House will not hold a second round vote for speaker tonight, Punchbowl News reports.

    They will try again at 11 a.m. ET tomorrow



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    This is actually hopeful I think (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:46:59 PM EST
    The number must have gone down for him to cancel a vote he announced at 6

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    From (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 06:54:15 PM EST
    what I understand is there are more no votes now than there were today on the floor. Jordan appears to be dead man walking who wants to embarass the entire GOP because he really isn't interested in leading. He is a chaos agent.

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    This is interesting (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM EST

    Before the first vote today for speaker, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) asked Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) to give him a nominating speech on the House floor and a source told CNN that Scalise wouldn't do it.

    When Scalise had the party's nomination for speaker last week, Jordan made a speech nominating Scalise.

    Jordan's allies told Politico that if Scalise really tried to compel his supporters to rally around the Jordan, then he'd have the votes.

    Let's see if he speaks in round 2

    Jordan (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 06:59:17 PM EST
    is supposed to be trying to undo the damage with Scalise. Jordan apparently leaked the meeting to the press with Scalise and that made Scalise allies angry.

    I don't think Jordan has the votes. Gaetz has done a great job for team D making people in swing districts vote for Jordan. It's sure to be in an political ad in 2024 and the others are going to get primary opponents.

    The best thing the GOP could do for Team D is to nominate a poo flinging monkey like Jordan and how the entire GOP surrendered to a treasonous insurrectionist. Wonder if he's being investigated by Jack Smith? An indicted GOP speaker along with an indicted GOP nominee would be too much for the electorate.

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    The no votes were interesting too (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 04:12:46 PM EST
    It was mostly not who they expected.  Most of the so called moderates in Biden districts voted for Jordan.

    The nos look like people who might want something.  Like assurances about finding the govt or Ukraine aid.

    The size of the opposition to Jordan stunned some Republicans. While some of the no votes had been public, there were some notable surprises. For instance, Appropriations Committee Chair Kay Granger (R-TX) voted for Majority Leader Steve Scalise, as did six other members. Former Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) got several votes from New Yorkers
    Don't forget (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 07:02:47 PM EST
    the fundraisers have said they will not donate if Jordan is the speaker.

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    Tonight (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 07:13:47 PM EST
    all those spinless republicans will go to sleep trying to decide which is worse for them electorally.

    Speaker Jordan or making a deal with democrats.

    Well (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 08:13:21 PM EST
    Newt and Boehner are now proposing McHenry be given a temporary speaker position with limited powers. It is something Hakeem is on board with. So if that is being discussed publicly then they have decided voting for Jordan is worse. And those moderates? They blew up their own political careers for Jim Jordan who will never be speaker.

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    Well (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 17, 2023 at 08:13:21 PM EST
    Newt and Boehner are now proposing McHenry be given a temporary speaker position with limited powers. It is something Hakeem is on board with. So if that is being discussed publicly then they have decided voting for Jordan is worse. And those moderates? They blew up their own political careers for Jim Jordan who will never be speaker.

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    Here we go (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 11:09:50 AM EST
    Again

    Waa Waa Waaaaaa (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 11:24:45 AM EST
    8 nos and only to the D's

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    And down (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 04:23:12 PM EST
    he goes on the 2nd vote. Likely the 3rd vote will get worse. I understand a couple didn't even show up this time. Maybe they will just quit showing up.

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    John Boehner, of the Florida Keys, (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 01:15:02 PM EST
    formerly of Ohio, received one vote.   Boehner and Gym, of Ohio,  probably both cried, for different reasons.

    Don Bacon (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 18, 2023 at 05:07:40 PM EST
    says there will be more no votes tomorrow. It's being reported that the anti-Jordan reps have been strategically using their no votes to increase the number each time. Jordan is not going to be speaker but how long he is going to call votes before he finally withdraws is the question.

    I have an email from WaPo (none / 0) (#66)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 04:20:36 PM EST
    Saying that Jordan will not seek a third vote. But then I look at HuffPost and the headline there says Jordan is pushing for a new vote. Seems the Interim dude deal ain't going to fly.

    GQPers inability or unwillingness to actually govern has now come to a head. When the hell are Americans going to dump these morons and support a government that actually serves them?

    Who is going to trust or depend on the US ever again? This country is a laughingstock to the rest of the world. A laughingstock with nuclear weapons. And we're afraid of North Korea or Iran having nukes. The nutballs in this asylum are who make me afraid.

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    Well (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 06:22:08 PM EST
    since the majority of Republican already appear to be on the Kremlin payroll they are just earning their keep.

    It's so bad that now angry short guy is threatening to quit. They bought the ticket on the Trump train and now they have to take a ride.

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    All That is Needed is a Change in House Rules (none / 0) (#68)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 08:05:36 PM EST
    The US Constitution doesn't say anything about the legislative role of the speaker.  I suggest that the ability to decide which bills come to the floor be taken away from the speaker and instead determined by a majority vote.  I also advocate reform in the committee system.  Are standing committees really necessary? Many, if not most, bills could be debated on the floor without such delay.  Minority leader Jeffries has also expressed desire to change the rules but I doubt he wants to go as far as my suggestions.

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    Gym just lost again (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 10:36:17 AM EST
    by an even larger number.

    The basically refuse to (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 10:37:54 AM EST
    allow the little bow tie guy to assume any real power.

    And they refuse to elect a Speaker.  I seriously wonder how long this is sustainable

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    Starting to think (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 10:38:59 AM EST
    Kevin will rise from the dead for Halloween

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    Kevin (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 11:39:08 AM EST
    is done unless he gets the screaming jackals on board.

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    And, (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 01:29:32 PM EST
    now dumped as a candidate by the Republican caucus.   Next?

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    Election Deniers (none / 0) (#74)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 08:37:15 PM EST
    Of the nine names I've seen listed as planning on running for Speaker next week, every one of them is an election denier.

    Tom Emmer voted to certify the ekection (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 09:16:11 PM EST
    And at least one other.  Most did not.

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    Steve Bannon (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 21, 2023 at 04:27:06 AM EST
    is already trashing Emmer. Emmer said that he wasn't going to help Trump candidates with the money he raised for congressional elections because Trump candidates lost. Well, this has enraged them.

    Maybe Dems should cut a deal with Emmer. Of course this also would make the GOP explode.

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    But Emmer also (none / 0) (#77)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 22, 2023 at 12:25:07 PM EST
    signed on to the Texas amicus brief to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.


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    He's a friutcake (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 22, 2023 at 08:01:37 PM EST
    Just not enough of a fruitcake to be elected speaker probably.

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    Frankly (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 04:28:02 AM EST
    I don't see how they get themselves out of this mess without help from Hakeem. Even Moscow Mitch is on board with Biden's aid package but a house speaker that brings that package up for a vote is going to be tossed.

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    Emmer (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 04:30:32 AM EST
    voted to certify the election. So did Austin Scott. The others all voted against certifying the election. They all are some level of whacko but that is where the entire GOP is these days.

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    It's (none / 0) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 08:52:25 AM EST
    choose your poison.  Emmer is arsenic.

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    SLOW (none / 0) (#82)
    by jmacWA on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 09:00:11 AM EST
    but effective.  We should pass, I certainly hope no Democrats support him.

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    I don't think (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 10:52:51 AM EST
    Dems are going to support any Republican that doesn't come to them and ask for help.

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    Austin Scott Voted to Certify 2020 Election (none / 0) (#84)
    by RickyJim on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 11:15:09 AM EST
    Link  On the downside, he has been accused of insider trading.

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    One of those things will be a problem (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 11:42:03 AM EST
    for the GOP and one will not.

    Can we guess which is which

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    The (none / 0) (#86)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 12:12:39 PM EST
    long awaited GOP civil war has broken out and I am enjoying every minute of it.

    Even the media can't spin it away, although they are likely to forget about it soon enough.

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    It's turning out (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 12:18:14 PM EST
    to be way worse for them than I ever dared expect or hope for.

    I still think it will take a brutal beating in 24 to split it wide open and start talks of what comes after.

    I used to think the establishment people would want to keep the Republican name and drive the crazies out.  But the name is going to be so corrupted who would want it.

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    It seems that it has deteriorated (none / 0) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 12:47:01 PM EST
    to the point that it might be impossible for any candidate to get to 217 on just Republican votes.

    Popcorn, anyone.

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    It sure (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 06:15:38 PM EST
    does look that way and 9 candidates makes it look even harder.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

    And Brian Kemp thinks he is going to come to the rescue of the GOP in 2028.

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    At this rate, ... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 02:16:20 AM EST
    ... there may not be much GOP left to rescue by 2028.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 06:13:27 PM EST
    I would have thought the GOP civil war would be the discussion that came after 2012 not this crazy sh*t but when they had to become "inclusive" to gain votes.

    Right now being inclusive to get votes is the least of their problems.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 06:13:27 PM EST
    I would have thought the GOP civil war would be the discussion that came after 2012 not this crazy sh*t but when they had to become "inclusive" to gain votes.

    Right now being inclusive to get votes is the least of their problems.

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    When Will This Nonsense End? (none / 0) (#93)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 12:45:05 PM EST
    Mr. Emmer only narrowly defeated Representative Mike Johnson of Louisiana, a conservative lawyer who is a favorite of the party's right wing, in a vote of 117 to 97, according to members in the room. But in a separate vote afterward, 25 Republicans indicated that they did not intend to vote for Mr. Emmer on the floor, according to Representative Mike Garcia of California.
    Link

    The thing is (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 12:58:56 PM EST
    the only way it changes is when the constituents of these people start telling them to stop.  

    Not very damn likely.  They are raising money every day from this.

    I do think eventually if they can't save themselves 5 of them will join with Dems.

    But we are not there yet.

    The govt will probably shut down.  Hard to see how it doesn't at least for a while.

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    The government (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 02:22:57 PM EST
    for all intents and purposes is shut down though people are getting paid etc. not going to food pantries kind of shut down.

    The GOP is going to have to cut a deal with Hakeem. It seems there is no other way around it.

    The good news is that the GOP is so busy shooting at each other they aren't wasting time with their stupid committees or whining about Hunter Biden.

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    There ought to be a way (none / 0) (#103)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 05:10:24 PM EST
    to stop paying these idiots their salary. They are not earning it.

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    If Emmer doesn't work out (none / 0) (#95)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 02:17:37 PM EST
    Do they swing a deal for McHenry? Or is Emmer a better possibility to pull enough votes. Obviously some deal making either way but that's up to the two sides. Common sense would be to put the interim speaker in place until January 2025. But there is no common sense amongst the whackadoodles.


    They already (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 02:25:11 PM EST
    said they wouldn't vote for McHenry. They may change their mind down the road but that's where they are now. I'm not sure how long this can go on.

    There was some discussion of Dems not showing up to vote so that Emmer would have enough votes to win the speakership.

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    Emmer's (none / 0) (#98)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 03:35:06 PM EST
    bid is in peril, TFG is denouncing him as a Globalist RINO.   Gaetz and other nuts went out on a limb for Emmer only to have Trump saw it off.  Now Emmer has dropped out.  He had the most votes in conference but now we move to someone who gets fewer votes and try again.

    How long will these Republican miscreants continue to stick with Trump?    His performance in New Hampshire removes any doubt, if there ever was doubt, that he is crazy town.  Telling his Republican audience they did not need to vote, he has plenty of votes already; boasting that he it so very handsome; and lobbed compliments on Viktor Orban as the best leader around; and he is leader of Turkey.  

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    Down (none / 0) (#99)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 03:47:08 PM EST
    goes Emmer! Lasted 4 hours or so.


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    PWote (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 04:47:49 PM EST

    Washington Post: "One motion regaining traction: Rep. Dave Joyce's (R-OH) resolution empowering Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick McHenry (R-NC) until Jan. 3, 2024. Republicans rebuked it last week, and Joyce did not introduce it formally because more Democrats than Republicans would have voted in support of it on the House floor."

    "But now that more Republicans have privately shown willingness to back the effort because of repeated failed attempts to elect a speaker themselves, two sources familiar with the motion say that it has enough support from both parties to pass on the House floor. Like everything else, it remains unclear when that could be introduced, but it would be done so under privilege, meaning it gives the House 48 hours to take it up."



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    PWire (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 04:48:50 PM EST
    That's supposed to say

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    Immunity for Mark (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 04:46:09 PM EST
    and sleepless nights for Cheeto

    Mark Meadows Granted Immunity for Testimony
    October 24, 2023 at 4:59 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 212 Comments

    "Former President Donald Trump's final chief of staff in the White House, Mark Meadows, has spoken with special counsel Jack Smith's team at least three times this year, including once before a federal grand jury, which came only after Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath," ABC News reports.

    "The sources said Meadows informed Smith's team that he repeatedly told Trump in the weeks after the 2020 presidential election that the allegations of significant voting fraud coming to them were baseless, a striking break from Trump's prolific rhetoric regarding the election."

    "Meadows also told the federal investigators Trump was being `dishonest' with the public when he first claimed to have won the election only hours after polls closed on Nov. 3, 2020, before final results were in
    This was being (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 05:29:43 PM EST
    discussed during Nicole Wallace's show today. It was kind of weird because Meadows wrote a book about the "stolen election". The point most of them were making was that it's an easy grift that a lot of people jumped on.

    I am not sure what this does to Meadow's indictment in GA and the indictment in GA may have caused him to finally start telling the truth to Jack Smith. My understanding prior was that he was releasing just enough information to keep himself out of jail.

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    Oh man (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 05:31:37 PM EST

    And this little tidbit from Jake Sherman is amazing: "Rep. Rick Allen (R-GA) told Tom Emmer in close House GOP conference meeting that the Minnesota Republican didn't need to get right with him, he needed to `get right with Jesus' because Emmer supported gay marriage."
    Every time you think they really (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 05:38:16 PM EST
    can't make this worse....

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    And this is (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 05:59:10 PM EST
    why people don't go to church. People like Allen use religion, Jesus or God as a weapon. Who wants to deal with that?

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    Remember when Republicans were said (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 06:29:15 PM EST
    to "fall in line"

    While Democrats were said to fall in love. (And thus  lose elections)

    Interesting realignment we got here.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 07:32:08 PM EST
    I have been thinking that realignment would have come by now. I thought it might be 2016 but that didn't happen. Then I began to doubt it would ever happen. The GOP has been threatening civil war for 20 years now so I had thought that would never happen either. I think Dobbs really set it off. They could play both sides until Roe was overturn and now everybody knows what they are about. There is no denying anymore.

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    Early (none / 0) (#111)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 04:35:00 AM EST
    word is the next guy up, Mike Johnson might have a chance,

    Full blooded insurrectionist, check.

    Much lower than Jordan on the A**hole spectrum, check.

    Hasn't faced multiple public humiliations, check.

    Bog standard modern conservative, check.


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    Liz Cheney (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 06:41:55 AM EST
    tweeted a bunch of stuff about him. Real piece of work. A quiet Jim Jordan. He's an election denier so we'll see if the same ones that had a problem with Jordan because of the insurrection have a problem with this one.

    Frankly once the goverment shutdown happens on his watch he's toast if he's the speaker.

    He's also anti-Ukraine aid. So will he bring the aid package up to a vote?

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    No (none / 0) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 09:37:18 AM EST
    self respecting journalist should allow him to say a single word until he answers this question
    Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) -- the fourth speaker designate from the House Republican Conference since the ouster of former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) -- declined to answer a question about his refusal to certify the results of the 2020 election on January 6, 2021.
     He won't always have his goons with him
    Perhaps more alarmingly, his Republican colleagues booed the reporter who asked the question and even told her to "shut up."



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    Fascists (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 10:40:42 AM EST
    do not care to be questioned.  

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    I don't think he is a sure thing (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 10:41:00 AM EST
    he is very openly against aid to Ukraine. That will cost him and it only takes a handful.

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    And there is this (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 10:42:31 AM EST

    Gaetz, Burchett say ousting McCarthy was worth it to get Johnson

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    They are selling him hard (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM EST
    on CNN

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    Well (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 11:58:51 AM EST
    if he gets in the ads write themselves for the 2024 election. He's a real wacko proud to represent the poorest district in the country along with a goal I guess of making the rest of the country as poor as his district.

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    Arguably (none / 0) (#123)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 12:58:59 PM EST
    the House's most anti-LGBT member.  Elected as Speaker by all Republican members.

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    There are no pro LGBT republicans (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:02:00 PM EST
    for my part I'll take it up front.  Makes for better attack ads.

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    Like this? (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:16:26 PM EST

    Mike Johnson Wanted to Criminalize Gay Sex
    October 25, 2023 at 3:06 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    "Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has a history of harsh anti-gay language from his time as an attorney for a socially conservative legal group in the mid-2000s," CNN reports.

    "In editorials that ran in his local Shreveport, Louisiana, paper, The Times, Johnson called homosexuality a `inherently unnatural' and `dangerous lifestyle' that would lead to legalized pedophilia and possibly even destroy `the entire democratic system.'"

    "And, in another editorial, he wrote, `Your race, creed, and sex are what you are, while homosexuality and cross-dressing are things you do. This is a free country, but we don't give special protections for every person's bizarre choices.'"

    Actually I'm pretty sure we do.

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    He introduced (none / 0) (#128)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:31:49 PM EST
    a "don't  say gay" bill in the House.  In his spare time he teachs at Liberty University.   In a Covenant marriage in Louisiana--a true believer.  But will support Israel as an End Times evangelical wack job,  Christi-fascist.

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    I (none / 0) (#129)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:40:40 PM EST
    hear he is also a young Earth creationist, at least he doesn't think the Earth is flat, right?

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    Do you know that (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:43:18 PM EST
    for sure?
    😬

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    I (none / 0) (#133)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:57:22 PM EST
    Don't know what he really believes, but he appears to have been closely associated with organizations that hold that belief.

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    I mean (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:58:48 PM EST
    about NOT thinking the earth is flat.

    He is definitely a creationist

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    The (none / 0) (#136)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 03:19:17 PM EST
    flat earth thing is a joke.

    Creationism is bogus but not really scary, I can see how it could make as much sense as the big bang theory to a lot of people.

    This young Earth sht is completely bonkers, you have to dismiss at least 3/4 of scientific knowledge.


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    We will agree to disagree (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 03:56:41 PM EST
    Both on the seriousness and the comparison to the Big Bang.

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    For the record (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 03:59:39 PM EST
    My older brother had multiple advanced degrees.  He was an engineer and a teacher.  Superintendent for many years.

    He believed the earth was 6000 years old.  This belief is far more common than most people think.

    It's very scary.

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    The (none / 0) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 05:21:29 PM EST
    Christians and the GOP share the ability to ignore objective reality to follow their beliefs, no wonder they are bedfellows.

    The age of reason is over, scary indeed.

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    HA! (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 05:34:40 PM EST

    Mike Johnson Represented the Creation Museum
    October 25, 2023 at 6:08 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 42 Comments

    Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) was the lawyer for Ark Encounter, the creation museum in Kentucky, and sought public tax credits to build the project in 2014.



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    Being the lawyer for a whacko does not (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 10:35:40 PM EST
    make you a whacko. Any TalkLeft reader should know that and be able to keep it in mind. Whackos have all sorts of legal rights that are entitled to be protected in court cases, and the right to be heard in court even when they're wrong.

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    True (none / 0) (#146)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 05:17:55 AM EST
    but it can be used as a data point.

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    We will agree to disagree (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 08:00:07 AM EST
    that trying to get tax payer funding for a religious project doesn't make you a Whacko.

    Or corrupt.  Or in this case probably both.

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    F'ing whacko (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 08:19:50 AM EST
    ABC

    He referred to the "so-called separation of church and state" and said "the founders wanted to protect the church from an encroaching state, not the other way around."

    "If anybody tries to convince you that your biblical beliefs or your religious viewpoint needs to separated from public affairs, you should politely remind them to review their history and you should not back down."

    All these have links

    He's been a trusted member of Donald Trump's inner circle for years.
    He's been good friends with Justice Amy Coney Barrett since 1988.
    He married his wife, Kelly, in 1999 in a "covenant marriage" which makes it very hard to get a divorce.
    He and his wife have a podcast called "Truth be Told."
    He defended anti-sodomy laws that were struck down by the Supreme Court.
    He opposed giving domestic partner benefits to same-sex couples.
    He called homosexuality "inherently unnatural," suggesting same-sex marriage would lead to pedophilia and bestiality.
    He blamed post-Katrina looting on liberalism and legalized gambling.
    He told the New Yorker he's a Constitutional "textualist."
    He doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.
    He believes we live in a "biblical republic" and not a democracy.
    He supports ending American military aid to Ukraine.
    He pledged to serve just three terms in Congress but is now in his fourth.

    link

    Also, does the fact people keep calling a 4 term congressman "inexperienced" support term limits?

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    He does not appear to be honest with himself...or (none / 0) (#161)
    by Jack E Lope on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 01:32:17 PM EST
    Something odd: If I keep in mind, 'He told the New Yorker he's a Constitutional "textualist"', the two paragraphs quoted make it appear that he argues the intent, then argues some sort of precedent.

    But, "review your history" is the sort of bullying argument meant to cut off debate. (I might start by reviewing the history of local gun bans in the 19th century....)

    Speaking of intent, I think it was Jefferson who wrote that the First Amendment creates a wall of separation between Church and State - a clear statement of intent.

    CaptHowdy asked:

    Also, does the fact people keep calling a 4 term congressman "inexperienced" support term limits?

    Science deniers' preferred party has many members who do not exhibit numeracy.

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    Jefferson does seem to have coined (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 03:56:17 PM EST
    the expression "wall of separation" between church and State. But Jefferson, although an important Founder (e.g., principal drafter of the Declaration of Independence) was not a Framer (he was in Europe during the Constitutional Convention). And was certainly the most anti-clerical of the Founders.  But Madison used the phrase as well, and he was both an important Framer -- most importantly, chief drafter of the First Amendment -- and personally religious.

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    Does (none / 0) (#163)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 05:08:26 PM EST
    the foot fit the shoe? may I quote his precious scriptures
    And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men.

    Of course, at the heart of all these Christo-fascists lies a snake. No doubt about it, moneygrubbing power hungry hypocrites all, and that's just on the surface.

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    He also claims to have a black son that has (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 09:31:48 PM EST
    Disappeared. What a clown.

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    Lying (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 27, 2023 at 09:37:12 PM EST
    for the Lord is OK.

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    Just goes (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 08:24:44 PM EST
    to show anyone can be radicalized. You drop your abilty to use reason and you'll believe anything.

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    This guy seems to me (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:42:36 PM EST
    like the perfect empty suit to hang every hateful republican policy and position on.

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    THIS is what desperation looks like (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 24, 2023 at 07:09:04 PM EST

    Kevin McCarthy Floats Partnership with Jim Jordan
    October 24, 2023 at 7:56 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 35 Comments

    NBC News: "Amid the impasse, McCarthy is floating a plan that would reinstall him as speaker and make Jordan, a conservative Trump ally, the assistant speaker."

    "Asked why the idea -- which lacks key details, like how it would be enacted and whether it could even gain enough traction to happen -- was being floated now, a GOP lawmaker replied: `We're desperate.'"
    Assistant Speaker? (none / 0) (#140)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 05:33:13 PM EST
    Gym Jordan showed his assisting style when he turned a blind eye to activities going on around him during his years as an assistant coach from 1986 to 1994.

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    Really looking like we have (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 12:18:10 PM EST
    a speaker.  For better or worse.

    NOTHING good about this guy (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by leap2 on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 01:21:18 PM EST
    According to PZMyers Johnson is:

    -a creationist
    -a theocrat
    -a Christian Nationalist
    -anti-abortion [duh]
    -anti-LGBT [also duh]
    -anti-Ukraine
    -FOT (Friend of Trumphth)

    So, the perfect Republican. I hope no Dem votes for this creep.


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    That has an upside (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 01:58:30 PM EST

    It was never going to be someone we liked.  But this guy as you point out has everything.

    Remember that there were two giant electoral drags on the GOP during the 2022 elections: (1) denialism about the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, and (2) policies on abortion rights that voters saw as overly restrictive or out of the mainstream."

    "Now, the Republicans have elected a speaker who Dems bet they'll be able to use as an albatross around the neck of every Republican in a swing district or suburban seat. He was the architect of a lawsuit to overturn results of the 2020 race. He has supported abortion restrictions that make no exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. He fits neatly into their talking points about `MAGA extremism' in the GOP."

    "And given his brief time in Congress, they see the rare chance to define a leader of the opposing party before Washington (or the press) knows much of anything about him.



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    Probably (none / 0) (#120)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 12:27:30 PM EST
    no better or no worse than McCarthy, he is just Scalise without the baggage.

    The media is most likely to portray this as a victory for Republicans and will be giving this guy tongue-bath within days if not hours.

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    True (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 12:41:50 PM EST
    it was always going to be a whacko

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    He's going to have all the same problems (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 12:42:53 PM EST
    Kevin had with a shorter runway

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    Cheer up! (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 02:52:18 PM EST

    Dan Pfeiffer: "I follow politics for a living, and I had to Google Johnson to remember exactly who he was and where he was from."

    "Here's who he is: Paul Ryan's economic policies + Mike Pence's views on abortion + Donald Trump's dangerously wacky views on the 2020 election = Mike Johnson."

    "In other words, if Democrats could design in a lab the perfect candidate to run against, that person would look a lot like Mike Johnson."
    As a Republican (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by coast on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 11:28:08 AM EST
    I'm just sitting here hitting my hand against my forehead asking "Why....why do they do this?"

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    Rick Wilson (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 26, 2023 at 03:31:00 PM EST
    JFC they elected a guy speaker who makes Mike Pence look like a satanist.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 25, 2023 at 03:10:21 PM EST
    they are already cutting the ads as we post. Truly the GOP could not have picked someone better to usher in a blue tsunami.

    And it's also proof that Paul Ryan's economic plans don't work as his district is the poorest in the country.

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