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Trump and Vance to Lead Republican Ticket

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2024
Posted on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 07:51:41 AM EST
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America, it is our choice. Authoritarianism and Xenophobia vs. our representative democracy.

Let's not throw away the last 200 years. Please reject the Manichean, extremist, right-wing ticket.

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    JD. Vance (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 05:44:03 PM EST
    won the endorsement of Sergei Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister.  

    "Now that he's had his ear tipped, (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by leap2 on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 06:04:49 PM EST
    he needs to be neutered and relocated."

    It feels like the replace Biden thing (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 10:23:20 AM EST
    is snowballing.  Oh well.  I've always thought Biden could win.  I still do.  I'm not at all convinced Kamala can win.

    It has nothing (much) to do with her skill or competence.  It's because we live in a fundamentally racist misogynistic country.

    The good news is black women are the key to victory and they have likely never been motivated the way a Kamala candidacy would motivate them.

    And I absolutely do not think replacing her is an option.  That would be a disaster

    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 01:28:59 PM EST
    Obama appears to be behind all this.he who lost record numbers of seats for the party. He should be the last person anyone is listening to right now

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    This is why I'm here (none / 0) (#59)
    by coast on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 07:19:09 AM EST
    This is why I like being on this thread.

    I had the impression that Obama was more liked than he apparently is, at least by members of this blog.

    GA thanks for the "things that make you go hmmm" moment this morning.

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    One of the most (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:04:39 AM EST
    annoying thing in politics to me over the last 24 years or so is the whole political Jesus thing. First we had BushJesus and then ObamaJesus and now TrumpJesus. Obama is a skilled pol at getting himself elected to office but not much else. He did not have much of an understanding of what the GOP is largely comprised of these days (former Dixiecrats) and thought that they would be afraid to oppose him because they might be considered racist for doing so.

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    Actually (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:13:52 AM EST
    I don't think most commenters here have much of a problem with Obama.

    In this particular case you are discussing a very old grudge that goes back to beating Hillary in a primary.  Which has never been forgiven.

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    Got it. (none / 0) (#62)
    by coast on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:29:32 AM EST
    Make sense.

    Should be an interesting day today as its reported that Biden's campaign is having an all hands call today.  Not sure if this is a regularly scheduled call and media is grasping or if this is an unscheduled call.

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    This has to stop (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:42:34 AM EST
    I think that's the one thing everyone agrees on.

    They Biden fundraisers announced they only got 25% of the money they expected to raise since the debate.  That's not sustainable.

    This has gone on long enough.  The clock is ticking.  Every day, every hour matters now.  

    What I read is if something does not happen by Monday when Congress returns the damn is going to break and lots more elected Democrats are going to go public.

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    Naw (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:27:41 AM EST
    it's the whole savior thing. One thing I like about Biden is nobody thinks he's some sort of savior.

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    In all the years I have commented here (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:53:01 AM EST
    You have never -once- missed a chance to trash Obama at the mention of his name.

    That's your right.  But let's be honest.

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    It is already (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 01:51:46 PM EST
     a disaster--seems almost like a coup by Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, and Obama, who reportedly suggests President Biden consider the viability of his candidacy.  There is the debate performance and polling in July that is beginning to look like a pretext for tech bros, donors and centrists to overthrow the primary voters  results. Biden seemed to be weathering the media blitz and constant drumbeat of some of the panicked Democratic leaders, but the movement  is now resurrected by the high rollers with their own agenda

     Blacks, women and LGBTQ voters are sticking with the president. All bearing great vulnerability to the fascists.   The jettisoning of the incumbent president, maybe the best since FDR or LBJ on the domestic front for----??? four months before the election and a month after the Republicans are thrilled by  their nomination of a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist candidate, is political malpractice.

    We need to get rid of Biden and replace him with-----I have not heard that answer from the Democratic leaders behind this coup.  Of course, lots of pundits and rando commenters, with we have a"deep bench", which means no single person to rally around. The only viable replacement is the vice President, skipping over her would be electorally deadly for a generation.  However, there does not seem to be a plan assuring that.  And, there is no good polling data to demonstrate that the vice president would do better than Biden.

    This being said, President Biden will in my view, drop out in short order.   Hopefully these wizards have a next step in their works.

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    I still think (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 01:59:10 PM EST
    if the plan is to step aside he should resign the office and make her an incumbent.

    Apart from anything else it would be odd to say he not up to campaigning but he is up to being president.

    Not to say that is fair or right.  I think it's politically smart.


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    I think (none / 0) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 02:27:01 PM EST
    the argument, such as it is, is that he is a very good president but not a good campaigner-- not being vigorous enough to present his achievements effectively and to attack Trump's fascist agenda satisfactorily.And, while he is great now, there is the question of the next four years.  

    If Kamala is the replacement candidate, she will need all the resources available, of which presidential  incumbency would be the best.  Becoming presidential candidate and president at once would be a heavy lift, however.  And, Biden would not want to join Nixon in history, albeit for honorable reasons in Biden's case unlike the Republican precedent.  Also, she would need to be guarded by the 82nd Airborne Division what with that crackpot Johnson next in line of succession.

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    Oki take it back (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 04:17:49 PM EST
    Marco Rubio agreed with me

    Time to reaccess

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    Little Marco (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 04:39:46 PM EST
    wants to be Secretary of State if Trump wins.   He voted against Ukraine aid, so he fits in well with Vance.  

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    25 Amendment (none / 0) (#58)
    by coast on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 07:09:54 AM EST
    I've always thought that the best way for Biden to transition, given the timing, would be for Biden himself to invoke the 25th, hand the daily duties of the Presidency, not the title, to Kamala, and Biden could remain President, in title only, through the end of the term.  That would seem to me the cleanest and most dignified way of doing this.  I'm not a political wonk, so maybe this doesn't work or make sense, just something I thought about.

    IMO Biden/Democrats missed an opportunity to do this before the NATO summit, which would have been an excellent opportunity to show Kamala in a very Presidential setting both nationally and internationally.

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    Stanford history Prof. Jack Rakove, an expert (none / 0) (#96)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 12:12:55 PM EST
    on the Founders and their thinking, made the 25th Amend suggestion yesterday, I think, on X-Twitter. (I knew Jack in college; brilliant guy. His books and his current history-informed political commentary are all excellent.)

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    I hate quoting polls (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 02:03:36 PM EST
    But they are saying 70ish percent of registered democrats say he should step aside.
    If I was polled today I might say the same.

    I'm sure most of them like me would vote for him but that's not good.

    The next question they tear the party apart is what next.  I wish I had hope that would not also be a nightmare.  

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    These (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 02:10:15 PM EST
    Democrats better have a plan for that 30 percent of registered Democrats who do not agree.  

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    They seem to think (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 03:37:02 PM EST
    we will "all fall in line" even though that has never been the history.

    Curiously the Clintons have been very silent on all this.

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    Bless the Clintons (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 03:43:26 PM EST
    At this point it's pretty clear Nancy is driving this train.

    I trust Nancy.  She might be the only politician I trust to not only do what's right but what will win.

    If she thinks this is needed we should listen.
    Joe should listen.

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    I do not (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 04:16:27 PM EST
    have confidence regarding Nancy Pelosi in this case.  The situation has been handled badly, in my view.  Polls and more likely Silicon Valley donors trumping Democratic primary voters is unseemly.  The Democratic Party had SuperDelegstes  to override voters  if  the Party bigwigs felt they knew better.  That procedure was eliminated after criticisms of putting the thumb on the scales. Recall the Michigan SuperDelegate  controversy.

    Now,  there is this intra-party coup to get the results wanted: dump the incumbent president-- polls in July within the margin of error supplant voters.  And, there is no risk assessment, no plan B articulated. I fear that Democrats are being swayed by clever propaganda.

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    You are right (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 07:12:36 PM EST
    Bill and Hillary and Katzenburg just came out and basically said this is silicon valley donor driven.they are all advocating for Joe to stay in the race and I have to say I trust Bubbas political instincts more than Obama.

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    Fair enough (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 04:23:38 PM EST
    I don't think because the former Obama people are a-holes Obama and Nancy are being mislead.

    I think they acting for the best of the country as they see it.
    Neither of them are know for wanting the spotlight.

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    Also (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 05:13:07 PM EST
    They have not said anything publicly.
    I said "if they said this...."

    If there's any truth to any of this something is about to happen.  They will either publicly refute the rumors or confirm them.

    Or Biden passes the torch.

    Pretty soon. Maybe tomorrow.

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    Maybe Nancy's (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 06:04:44 PM EST
    Not big on the spotlight but Obama sure is.i do not trust his judgement. He had the chance to warn the country about Russian interference in 2016 and punted.

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    Plan B (none / 0) (#47)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 04:41:19 PM EST
    I know that I have posted this before but it seems necessary here to repeat the obvious.

    After Biden drops out, the Democratic media blitz before the convention consists of a group of half a dozen serious, non demented candidates debating the issues on live TV every few days.  This will get the majority of the country, which doesn't want Trump to win, to lock onto reasonable alternatives that they can live with. Then Trump will be mostly wiped from public attention during the open convention as excitement and curiosity grows as to who the nominee will be.

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    Here on Earth One (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 05:08:52 PM EST
    We will get on with picking up the pieces

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    There (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 06:54:12 PM EST
    is no cabal being driven by anybody, in many ways Pelosi, Schumer. Schiff, Obama et al don't have a political dog in the hunt.

    They all know that Biden presidency has been a smashing success for Democratic policies, they would never throw him under the bus without really good reasons and it's not all about the polls.

    IMO Biden has hit the wall, over the years we have watched the job of President seemingly accelerate the aging process of much younger men, how could we expect Biden to magically defeat that process and stave it off for 4 months for the campaign much less 4 more years in office.

    Nancy isn't driving anything, it's more like she has been tasked to herding the Democratic cats one more time and get them to swallow the bitter pill of reality, which unlike Republicans, Democrats force themselves.

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    I did not mean driving exactly (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 07:42:13 PM EST
    as in causing.  But it would not be happening, if it happens, without her.

    No one has the juice to do this but her.  Definitely not Obama or the tech bros,

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    To be ckear (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 07:43:51 PM EST
    She is being looked to for direction in this chaos.  And she seems to be giving it.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#56)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 07:58:53 PM EST
    Nancy is the GOAT for getting Dems into "array".

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    RIP (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by coast on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:43:10 AM EST
    Bob Newhart.  You brought a lot of laughs to a lot of people.

    I did not watch Trump last night (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:46:51 AM EST
    But everything I read this morning says pretty much the same thing.

    No one who watched that speech, at least no Democrat, thinks Trump is unbeatable.

    This guy is fraying faster than Biden.  We just HAVE to get our sh!t together

    I hate Nate Silver (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 08:50:04 AM EST
    But this series on tweets makes the point


    a weird but pretty good speech. The past few weeks have gone about as badly as possible for Democrats, and they're likely underdogs against Trump regardless of who they nominate, but the opportunity to reset the campaign with a non-Biden nominee is a twist of good fortune."

    -- Nate Silver at 11:00 p.m. ET.

    "Semi-retract this tweet, this speech is boring AF, but there are worse things politically speaking than being boring."

    -- Silver at 11:40 p.m. ET

    "Fully RETRACT and RESCIND, sometimes it seems like both parties are trying to throw this election."

    -- Silver at 12:03 a.m. ET



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    Democrats (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:13:04 AM EST
    panicked about President Biden's physical infirmities seem to think he is running against a 35-year old gym rat, when, in fact, he is running against a 78-year old rat.  

    So much for Trump being transported to a new spiritual, introspective, unifying leader as some of our credulous media predicted.  It was even reported before hand that Trump's acceptance speech would not even mention President Biden but, of course, the rambling and incoherent rant included all of his greatest hits, including reference to "crooked Biden".  

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    The most (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:29:05 AM EST
    calming people to me during all this has been some of the Never Trumpers who have repeatedly insisted that despite what the media is trying to do here Trump will screw it up. They were right.

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    I hope (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:26:38 AM EST
    now all the replacement talk will end. The donors in Silicon Valley keeps screaming but have no plan to replace Biden.

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    James Carville (none / 0) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:52:40 AM EST
    has a plan.  The 79-year old Democratic consultant sets forth his grand idea in The NY Times today. For starters, Biden can't win so he should drop out of the race. The Vice President should not automatically be the nominee.

    Rather, he proposes building on the mini-primary suggested by Ezra Klein:  There will be four town halls, somewhere in the east, west, south , and north.  The moderators will be former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.  These two former presidents will select eight candidates for sort of a job interview. How these will be selected from our deep bench will be up to Bill and Barack, but Kamala will be invited as one of the eight.  A spot is set aside for her.

    With this exposure, the delegates will decide at an open convention, from just those eight town hall invitees, who will be the Democratic presidential candidates.  Biden will not be one of the invitees, of course.  

    Genius.  Why didn't I think of this? (Slaps hand on head).

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    No one but the newspapers (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 09:56:35 AM EST
    cares what Carville says.  This is being done because internal polling is crashing.
    Elected Democrats are seeing the chance of them losing and losing the house and senate grow by the hour.

    They are not making this up because they are mean.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM EST
    if part of this is how the press has treated Trump like a normal candidate instead of a lunatic. Biden appears to be holding firm on not resigning as of this morning. I am sure that speech by Trump made him more sure to stay in.

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    No one is ever resigning (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:09:40 AM EST
    until they do.

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    I would add (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:08:43 AM EST
    Some of the precipitous drop may well be caused by the terrible news coverage.

    That sucks.  Really.  It's not fair.  But it doesn't matter.

    The fact is it's slipping away and I don't think Biden can get it back on track.

    Here's two possible scenario's to replace Carvills

    1.  Biden stays.  And this cloud hangs over the campaign for the next few months.  The convention will probably erupt in protests.  Not about Gaza but about Biden.

    2. He passed the torch to Kamala.  The party (mostly) rejoices and we dominate the news with the reset of a bright young black woman as a nominee.
    Oh look, it's no longer two smelly old farts.
    The convention is probably a big party.  Assuming, as I do, Biden will do everything he can ultimately, to make it work.

    I like 2

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    I see (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:19:45 AM EST
    Kamala stepping up as the only option. Parachuting unknowns is a worse option. I know her numbers are bad hence the concern.

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    Sounds (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:04:22 AM EST
    like total chaos to continue.

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    Open Convention (none / 0) (#78)
    by coast on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:11:59 AM EST
    How is that a good thing?

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    It's not (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:19:57 AM EST
    IMO.

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    It's a terrible idea (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:25:30 AM EST
    Won't happen IMO.  But people, like Tester, will bring it up.

    the CBC will walk out.  End of discussion,

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    It's (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:35:19 AM EST
    being reported today that one reason Biden is refusing to quit is because the donors are not offering up Kamala as a replacement. If the party would rally around Kamala then he would be more amenable to moving on.

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    I don't know who said that (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:38:18 AM EST
    But its not up to the donors.  They will not make that decision,

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    The Democratic Party is determined to tank (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:12:48 PM EST
    this election. They excel at circular firing squads. Joe Biden is out. Instead a united party against Trump, the Dems are fomenting more chaos. This is worst than Chicago in 1968.
    Seems like (none / 0) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:29:16 PM EST
    for once everyone is falling in line behind Harris. And from what I have read there is no one who wants to challenge her for the nomination.

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    Yes. I am happy to see (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 05:25:21 PM EST
    Democrats unifying behind her. I was afraid of a free-for-all and chaos. The money has been pouring in as well.

    I believe a unified front is extremely important going forward.

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    For the next couple of weeks (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:34:54 PM EST
    If Trump wants attention he will need to get shot again.

    Maybe Stormy Daniels (none / 0) (#130)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    will do a Charlotte Corday.

    I'm not sure Trump bathes though.

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    J.D. Vance (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 09:16:47 AM EST
    Supports a total abortion ban.  No exceptions*

    Has said Putin can have Ukraine.

    Supports the BIG LIE completely.

    Has the experience of a first term senator.

    I could go on but, why.

    Look, this guy is a gift.  Trump should have put a big bow on his stupid fat head.

    *has suggested the life of the mother MIGHT qualify.  

    Oh, and this (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 09:30:54 AM EST

    As recently as 2021, the newly announced Republican candidate for vice president, Sen. J.D. Vance, R-Ohio, had harsh words for Americans who divorce, including those who did so to leave abusive marriages. Divorcees, Vance argued, are quitters who ruin their children's lives.
    4 hours ago



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    and (none / 0) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 11:09:03 AM EST
    this
    "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," Vance wrote in a 2016 message to a friend.


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    Definitely (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 06:27:00 PM EST
    a gift. He is maga creepy and a lot of Republicans are not happy about this. The media even seems to have turned a bit on Vance being picked. I guess they live in a fantasy where Trump is going to pick a moderate to be the "centrist" candidate.

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    When (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 08:16:32 PM EST
    they steal the election, Vance will be the oligarchs AND the christianists Dick Cheney.

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    OT - Goodbye Bob... (none / 0) (#4)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 12:37:01 PM EST
    Senator Robert Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, was found guilty of bribery, conspiracy, extortion, obstruction of justice and acting as a foreign agent.

    Schumer is calling for him (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 12:48:42 PM EST
    to resign.  If anyone notices.

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    One of Menendez's sugar daddies (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 03:28:38 PM EST
    who was convicted of defrauding Medicare to the tune of 70 mil or thereabouts, was pardoned by Trump.

    I guess it would be too much to expect anyone in the media to bring that up.

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    Kevin Roberts, (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 12:43:19 PM EST
     Heritage Foundation/Project 2025, was ecstatic upon learning of Vance as Trump's running mate.  Vance did what Trump has been attempting to avoid--he praised the fascist project as a good idea.

    The only positive point that can be said about Vance is that at lone of the two candidates on the ticket can get a security clearance.

    I am very curious about Vance's wife. (none / 0) (#7)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 01:22:23 PM EST
    He has said he relies on her quite a bit for advice.

    She is well educated as are her parents. Raised in California and was a registered Democrat till she married Vance. And, as you mentioned clerked under Kavanaugh and Roberts.

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    Their mentor at Yale Law, Prof. Amy Chua (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 03:52:59 PM EST
    is/was notorious for placing attractive female candidates in clerkships with Kavanaugh. Apparently a job requirement of his, along with willingness (whether or not based on principle) to assist conservative judges in their reactionary work.

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    Aren't Amy Chua (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 04:53:20 PM EST
    and her husband the infamous celebrity professors at Yale Law?  She being "Tiger Mom" involved in "Dinner-gate" (wining and dining law students, with less emphasis on the dining part)and, he,  suspended for allegations of sexual harassment of students.  

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 02:54:23 PM EST
    Usha Vance is very well educated, having received baccalaureate and Juris Doctor degrees from Yale University and a MPhil from Cambridge.  Her mother is a biochemist and provost at UCSan Diego; her father is an engineer and lecturer at San Diego State University.  Very accomplished--too bad about her husband.

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    Too bad about her, too. (none / 0) (#9)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 03:22:30 PM EST
    Seems like a lack of strong convictions and going where the wind blows is something they have in common.

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    This is them (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 05:07:56 PM EST
    I think

    Some far-right Trump supporters are unhappy about Vance because he's married to Usha Vance, née Chilukuri. Raised in San Diego, California, Usha is the daughter of Indian immigrants. And according to right-wingers like talk show host and Nazi apologist Stew Peters, that's an issue.



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    Yes, she was raised Hindu (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 05:25:17 PM EST
    and they had a Hindu wedding (seen in your picture). Vance has since (like 5 yrs ago) converted from some sort of fundamentalist Protestant to Catholic. No idea whether his wife is religious, nor how they are raising their 3 kids. Was Kamala Harris's mother's family (her Indian side) Hindu or something else? How about Nikki Haley?

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    Haley's (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 06:30:22 PM EST
    family is Sikh.

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    err (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 05:49:28 PM EST
    aren't Indians considered Aryan.

    Besides ol JD has just been anointed chief apologist, to his self described American Hitler.

    We may be approaching a Godwins law singularity here/

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    Maga (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 04:16:29 PM EST
    is making that case. They are saying she is really white with some contorted racial history.

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    Well, racial categories are fundamentally (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 07:16:08 PM EST
    political, after all. Especially who counts as "white" at any given time.

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    Soon (none / 0) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 04:27:02 PM EST
    to be called Trumpmas, I'm sure, we should consider are selves blessed. It's not every day you get to see a new religion being born, no matter how absurd and tacky it seems.

    VML's comment (none / 0) (#21)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 01:39:00 AM EST
    had to be deleted because the link code was off and skewing the site. I can't edit comments, I can only delete them.

    Please use the preview button if you are posting a link. Thanks! (Apologies to VML)

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    No worries. It is not worth reposting. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 10:05:04 PM EST
    I have always previewed my comments except for this past week.
    For some reason, TL has been really glitchy for me these past few days. My security software keeps blocking the site when I login, claiming the site is not secure. When I overide it, it takes forever to load.
    I don't have issues with any other site, so I am not sure what is going on.

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    Its happened to me too (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 07:35:02 PM EST
    only I think I caused it by trying to make some code changes on my own last weekend and then trying to fix them when they didn't work as expected. Around 6 am yesterday, I finally realized I had far exceeded my skill-set and called our webmaster Colin, who has been hosting TalkLeft since 2006. He got the site up again  within minutes, but then told me it would take some time to fix everything. (Talkleft is not on Wordpress, it is still on a content management system called "Scoop" that Colin was a principal developer of and that many political blogs moved to from Movable Type back in the mid-2000s -- I think because it allowed users to write their own posts as "diaries".

    As to the security software blocking it, that's because TL is not an "https" site. It's still http. That could be a security issue if TL had your credit card or social security number, but TL has never had access to those  (let alone stored them) so there's really nothing private to steal here, assuming someone did hack the site, which hasn't happened in the 22 years it's been in existence. Even spammers rarely get through these days because they try to register with fake email addresses, so of course they can't receive and return the registration confirmation, and can't leave a comment.

    Every month two I go through a section of the TL's admin page and check new attempts to register. There are always 25 to 50 new attempts, mostly from russia, romania, and eastern european countries. I used to have this program installed that let me block every attempted registration from any country, but it shut down. It's very time consuming to go through these attemmpted fake registrations because it has to be done one at a time.  

    So from my vantage point, other than your password, there's no personal information for a hacker to get here. Even contributions aren't made on TL's site, they are shuttled to paypal. TL doesn't even have most users' real names.  

    One of these days I'll get around to changing it, but probably by then "https" will be obsolete. That's a problem with technology. It keeps progressing, but what that means for most of us is we have to keep upgrading and buying new equipment and software, and hiring people to fix it when we make a mistake, but the  ones who really profit are the companies manufacturing and marketing it.

    So, yes, the site is still running a little sluggish which means Colin and I have more work to do. Then again, it may just be that there are 22 years of posts, comments, documents, and photos, and more than 25,000 registered user profiles, on a system that hasn't been updated in over a decade. But I'll Colin about this tomorrow.  

    I think the warnings from browsers are not particularly applicable since we don't keep the kind of information they are concerned about, and we have plenty of anti-spam and security features built into the site. But if you have doubts, just change your password, especially if you use the same one elsewhere with the same user name.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#57)
    by jmacWA on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 05:07:14 AM EST
    For the explanation.  I am not concerned that TL is not HTTPS, in fact if Firefox provided a better explanation of their ICON I would never have responded.  How easy is it to say that the icon is displayed on all HTTP sites.  

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    Thanks. My security software only started (none / 0) (#168)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 03:41:37 PM EST
    blocking the site last week. I've never had an issue all these years, so I figured there was a glitch somewhere.
    I was not concerned about any personal info being stolen and I just kept overriding the block.

    I mentioned it because I was curious if any one else was having issues with the fact that the site was taking a really long time to load and posting comments, linking, etc., weren't working as well as usual.

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    P.S - I had no issues with the site the past (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 03:44:59 PM EST
    couple of days but today it is back to being slower than molasses.

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    YEP (none / 0) (#31)
    by jmacWA on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 05:06:26 AM EST
    For at least the last week or so (that's when I first noticed it) Firefox has been giving me the connection not secure icon at the beginning of the URL.

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    This is good (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 16, 2024 at 05:04:00 PM EST

    Biden to Propose Major Supreme Court Changes
    July 16, 2024 at 5:29 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 104 Comments

    "President Biden is finalizing plans to endorse major changes to the Supreme Court in the coming weeks, including proposals for legislation to establish term limits for the justices and an enforceable ethics code," the Washington Post reports.

    "He is also weighing whether to call for a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad immunity for presidents and other constitutional officeholders, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations."

    "The announcement would mark a major shift for Biden, a former chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has long resisted calls to reform the high court
    So Joe has COVID (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 05:49:41 PM EST
    if he comes back in a week this won't change anything.  If not, it might.

    this is how I feel

    The Predident (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 06:54:10 PM EST
    will get the best care.  Probably start him on Paxlovid.  He can campaign by remote methods and get in some needed rest.  Not the sympathy a shot in the ear gets, but maybe Adam Schiff, George Clooney, Meathead and others in Schiff's congressional district will give it a rest.

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    From what I am reading, Pelosi is still trying (none / 0) (#30)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 10:20:31 PM EST
    to get Biden to step down. I don't really care what George Clooney says but I want to know what Schiff and Pelosi?? are seeing.
    I don't believe either one would come to this decision lightly.

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    Meanwhile, it's clear now (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 17, 2024 at 06:08:16 PM EST
    beyond any doubt that RFK Jr is ratf*cking for Trump. To shore-up the Rogan bro, online conspiracy loon vote.

    Definitely (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 09:10:24 AM EST
    but it's interesting the tape was released by his son. Maybe the son is a mole. LOL.

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    I'm guessing there's (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 18, 2024 at 10:55:18 AM EST
    a high probability Trump will dangle an 'important position' in the administration for Kennedy if he plays ball.

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    How much (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:20:40 AM EST
    does Trump's lunatic actions and speech last night change things? The press is definitely going to be forced to confront the fact that he is not a normal candidate.

    Trump's (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 05:28:18 PM EST
    speech was a contender to Biden's debate performance.

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    Why would they be (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    Now?  The speech? It was pretty vintage.

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    It is (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:33:51 AM EST
    but they have largely ignored all the crazed rantings at the rallies. You and I haven't because we pay attention so we know. This is the first time in a long time Trump has appeared on anything other than far right media.

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    I'm sure FOX and NEWSMAX (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:37:01 AM EST
    loved it.  But I have not seen any positive coverage of it.  
    That said it's not news for Trump to be Trump.
    Unfortunately.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    but there are a lot of people that apparently have forgotten why they didn't want Trump to reelect Trump in 2020 and now it's in their face.

    His comments on Taiwan tanked the chips market.

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    As I said (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:43:10 AM EST

    Four More Democrats Urge Biden to Step Aside
    July 19, 2024 at 11:40 am EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    Reps. Mark Pocan (D-WI), Jared Huffman (D-CA), Marc Veasey (D-TX) and Chuy Garcia (D-IL) called for President Biden to drop out of the presidential race, saying concerns about his viability "are jeopardizing what should be a winning campaign," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

    Wrote the Democratic lawmakers: "We must face the reality that widespread public concerns about your age and fitness are jeopardizing what should be a winning campaign. These perceptions may not be fair, but they have hardened in the aftermath of last month's debate and are now unlikely to change."
    I guess (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:55:10 AM EST
    the good news is if Biden moves on the whole age thing goes away for us. But does it become a negative for the GOP is my question.

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    Would it be a negative for the GOP (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 10:58:26 AM EST
    if the democrats turned this around and became energized around smart young candidate?

    I think it will.

    They will point out she is black and female and other but I think that is going to backfire.

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    Should (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 02:07:41 PM EST
    Biden step down, I'm all in on Kamala. I'm just not down with what the tech bros and Obama bros want which is someone to swoop in and replace both Biden and Harris.

    The fact that she is black and a woman does raise concerns with me because I think the country is racist and misogynistic. But honestly I think she would pull the party together better than anybody else. I just don't see anyone else being able to do it and certainly not a "mini-primary" where Bill and Obama pick the nominee.

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    I too, was concerned about Kamala's (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:03:11 PM EST
    chances of winning since she is black and a woman. But, as a friend reminded me, this country voted for a black man twice and a woman won the popular vote. We can do this.

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    Liberal Dems (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 11:46:54 AM EST
    need to drop the reticence and this idea that being a 'cautious, reasonable and decent' contrast to Il Duce Trump is somehow enough.

    Sometimes the gasbag bully needs to be body-slammed. The good news is that he's ripe for the picking.

    he Right wants to drag this country back to A Handmaid's Tale and to chaotic,  unregulated 19th anarcho-capitalism and it amazes me that people aren't more fired up about it.

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    I've said before (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 11:50:43 AM EST
    whatever else I would very much like to see a debate between a former sex crimes prosecutor and a convicted puzzy grabber.

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    Hopefully. (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 12:05:48 PM EST
    President Biden holds the "drop Biden gang's " feet to the fire if he decides to leave the race. Conditions should include Kamala as replacement and that the tech- and financial-bros agree to quadruple their donations.  

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    People keep expressing (none / 0) (#95)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 12:11:47 PM EST
    ambivalence about Newsome, but having seen him in action, I'm convinced he'd administer the beat-down of all beatdowns on Trump.

    Optics-wise and also by any objective,  policy measure.

    Anyone who doubts that should watch his appearence on Fox when Hannity tried every trick in the book to sandbag and talk over him.

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    Newsome (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 02:08:24 PM EST
    does well in a debate for sure but stepping over the first female black VP for him is a recipe for disaster I fear.

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    I just wish we could use him (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 03:42:40 PM EST
    as our designated hitman as it were, for debates with Trump.

    If wishes were fishes..

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    Newsome's issue (none / 0) (#103)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 03:43:43 PM EST
    is that he is from California. Same thing goes for Harris. It may be hard to get right leaning independents to vote for anyone from that bastion of socialism. /s


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    Right (none / 0) (#105)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 05:08:28 PM EST
    and to make matters worse, now it's 'personal' between Newsom and Trump sycophant Elon.

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    X will probably (none / 0) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 05:21:58 PM EST
    be a nightmare leading up to the election.

    Musk, who already has conspiracist predilections, will probably let stand every whacked-out, libelous post about Dems to make up for Hunter's laptop.

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    She (none / 0) (#97)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    sliced and diced Billy Barr in a Senate hearing, bigly.

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    Greg Sargent (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 02:22:19 PM EST
    The biggest thing keeping Biden in the race right now is the open convention wrestlemania crowd. Lot's of people don't want chaos but even more would be enraged by stepping over Harris.

    Anyone else noticing how (none / 0) (#101)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 03:41:26 PM EST
    the markets have all tanked once the MAGAts starting spewing their bile in Milwaukee?

    It really upsets me how Bidenomics has helped my 401K and IRA swell up like a nickel balloon over the last few months. Thanks alot of Joe. /s

    This is due (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 19, 2024 at 04:46:21 PM EST
    to Trump's comment about Taiwan. It's a reminder of the total chaos he brings due to his inability to control his mouth.

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    So Saturday (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 03:45:55 PM EST
    is almost done and no resignation. Personally I think what is being advocated by Obama/Pelosi is the problem which is an open convention. I think a lot of people like myself would be fine with Biden stepping down if there is an orderly transition but the chaos of an open convention gives me heartburn.

    If. Biden (none / 0) (#111)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 06:59:44 PM EST
    drops out, contrary to Pelosi, there needs to be a "coronation", for the vice President.    

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    Now that the powers (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:55:42 PM EST
    that be have forced Biden out, an open convention would be an act of insanity. By passing Harris, would be a sure fire way to lose the election.

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    The campaign and the party (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:03:49 PM EST
    were in a tailspin.  This flips the chessboard.  You can throw out every poll taken before today.

    This will get massive coverage.  It will not be a open primary.  No way.

    I was afraid of this but watching the coverage so far, wow

    Instead of a sad slow pathetic old man Biden is now a heroic figure.  This is a historic act.  All they can talk about now is his accomplishments

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    Yes (none / 0) (#135)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:21:25 PM EST
    I repeat, Kabuki Legacy Theater for Biden.

    New chapter, hell a whole new sequel for the Democrats.

    Relatively speaking there is zero extant narrative out there from the Right, the media or even the Democrats.

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    Maybe someone should (none / 0) (#137)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:26:15 PM EST
    tell Pelosi that there is no way the Dems have an open primary.

    Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the former speaker, recently told her colleagues in the California delegation that if President Biden were to end his campaign she would favor the "competitive" process of an open primary rather than an anointment of Vice President Kamala Harris as the new Democratic



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    I don't believe she will (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:36:42 PM EST
    fly in the face of solidifying opinion that it is and must be Harris.

    So far no one has mentioned running against her.

    Hard to imagine them doing that.

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    All the candidates who (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:54:24 PM EST
    have been floated as replacements for Biden need to publicly endorse Harris to avoid anyone pursuing the insane idea of an open primary.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:02:16 PM EST
    That would be smart.

    So far, by my count, the only statement that has not endorsed Harris is from Obama.

    Opinion is solidifying pretty fast.


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    Obama definitely didn't endorse Harris (none / 0) (#152)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:15:44 PM EST
    Obama's  statement is leaving the door open for an open primary rather than endorsing Harris.

    "We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges."

    Totally stupid.

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    Simone Sanders (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:20:47 PM EST
    Just explained how this works.   It's pretty simple and it will be over quickly.

    the mini primary

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    I hope to read that (none / 0) (#158)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:35:47 PM EST
    no one other than Harris is collecting signatures.

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    It looks like (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:49:04 PM EST
    Harris support is snowballing

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    A process is good (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:05:15 PM EST
    it allows her to say she won the nomination.

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    Grr (none / 0) (#156)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:22:03 PM EST
    Voters and Biden and the Clintons are all in for Harris. We are unifying around a candidate but apparently she's not the one he wants so he would rather have chaos. I agree this is completely stupid.

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:19:13 PM EST
    the Obama bros have the sadz but they can STFU or continue to help Trump. Money is apparently pouring in for Harris.

    If Harris wins this will be the first time I have seen a president up close and personal. My husband and I went to a Kamala rally in 2019.

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#148)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:04:07 PM EST
    and, Schiff and all The Must Go crowd.   They wanted youth--maybe Kamala will select AOC as her running mate.

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    The feeling I'm getting (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:05:21 PM EST
    Is the message to the "insurgents" is, look, you got what you wanted.

    That's all you are getting.  Now STFU and get in line.

    I think that's the message and I think it should be the message

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:37:25 PM EST
    Dean Phillips

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    Joe (none / 0) (#154)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:20:20 PM EST
    Manchin is available.

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    I thought Talk Left (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:24:13 PM EST
    had a policy against obscenity.  😃

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    Correct (none / 0) (#163)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 06:57:48 PM EST
    I have to refrain from my dirty jokes
    "Sources close to Sen Joe Manchin, independent of WV, say he's considering re-registering as a Democrat and throwing his hat into the ring," Tapper wrote Sunday.
    They have a strange propensity to become reality

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    If he runs (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 06:59:37 PM EST
    he will get more republican than Democrat votes.

    He's not a threat.  He's a punchline.

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    Just what we need (5.00 / 4) (#166)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 07:33:55 PM EST
    A traitor to the Democratic Party. If he pursues this, he will take great joy helping Trump by trashing Harris. To say I really, really dislike this person would be an understatement. He has joined the Joe Lieberman threshold of obnoxious, disingenuous people.

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    Correct (none / 0) (#164)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 06:58:14 PM EST
    I have to refrain from my dirty jokes
    "Sources close to Sen Joe Manchin, independent of WV, say he's considering re-registering as a Democrat and throwing his hat into the ring," Tapper wrote Sunday.
    They have a strange propensity to become reality

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    So the "blitz primary" (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 05:09:46 PM EST
    details have been released here

    Whoever thinks this is a good idea? LOL.

    Looks Great to Me (none / 0) (#112)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 07:24:43 PM EST
    I especially like those educational sessions.  Here is a chance for the public to find a more appetizing choice to vote for than what is currently being offered.

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    Looks terrible (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2024 at 09:24:59 PM EST
    To me. An interview with Oprah? That was tied here in Georgia and all it did was tick voters off.

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    These "plans" go (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 07:53:07 AM EST
    from the harebrained to the insane. The planners do not seem to have a sense of calendar or campaigning.   A ticket without Biden or Harris has neither the campaign structure in place nor the incumbency or its record---those two people who we overthrew because one was old and the other was a Black woman did a great job so vote for us!

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    I get the feeling (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 10:40:24 AM EST
    he is saying it's her or me.  Anything else and it's me.

    This is the right thing to do (IMO) but it's also probably not bad strategy.

    Between Biden and Kamala lots of people, even some who want to replace him, will pick Biden.

    I'm back to thinking it's 50/50

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 12:04:58 PM EST
    how Biden has been playing hardball with Obama and the others that want to get rid of him. But then I read he has had issues with Obama since 2016 so it makes more sense.

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    Well (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 12:03:35 PM EST
    the good news is Harrison has shot all these schemes down saying we have to follow the rules.

    Parent
    And here is Aaron Sorkin's (none / 0) (#116)
    by leap2 on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 10:55:50 AM EST
    LSD-laced opinion piece in the f'ing NYTimes, the nut-graf being this:

    "...But there's something the Democrats can do that would not just put a lump in people's throats with its appeal to stop-Donald-Trump-at-all-costs unity, but with its originality and sense of sacrifice. So here's my pitch to the writers' room: The Democratic Party should pick a Republican.

    "At their convention next month, the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney...."

    ( Here is a not-in-the-f'ing-NYT link, if you care to see the build up to that bit of insanity.)

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    The NYT's bias is showing (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:49:10 PM EST
    They definitely want a Republican President.

    Sorkin should stick to fiction instead of promoting hair brain ideas.

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    The NY Times (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:07:33 PM EST
    would like the Democrats to be Republican.

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    Talk about waving the white flag (none / 0) (#119)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 12:43:37 PM EST
    what's his next brilliant idea? Everyone with the means should move to a different part of the world?

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    President Biden (none / 0) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:09:10 PM EST
    announced on X that he is withdrawing from the race.  Will address the nation this week.  

    A great idea to replace the old guy for 77-year old Mitt Romney to run against the 78-year old Felon.

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    Well (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:06:13 PM EST
    we have our answer. I'm not sure it's good news but it is news.

    Why did I bother with the PA Democratic primary? (none / 0) (#123)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:13:34 PM EST
    My vote was just stolen.

    I honestly don't think (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:23:31 PM EST
    Biden would do this unless he thought it was the best path to winning

    I think we will probably see him decline some more before the end of his term

    He made the point of saying he wanted to focus on being president.

    Looking around at the world that seems wise.

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    I get it. (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:22:58 PM EST
    I was very sad and disappointed but then I thought about Trump being in the white house and got over it immediately.

    So far the Clintons and CBC leaders have endorsed Harris and are suggesting rallying around her which is way better than some primary.

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    I have to walk this back a little. (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 05:34:11 PM EST
    My vote was not stolen. I voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in the PA primary. That means I voted for Kamala to be President if Joe Biden could not serve. That's my big picture take on this. Joe has decided he can't run or serve another term, so Kamala Harris gets the call. She got my vote to be in that position and will get my vote to be POTUS.

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    Face (none / 0) (#126)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:25:12 PM EST
    it Biden is out of gas, he might have been fine when you voted for him but he has been sputtering for the last month or so.

    It's accepted fact that the presidency will age you at an accelerated fact, Democrats need to face the fact that Joe has hit the wall, and quite suddenly but not surprisingly  in my opinion.

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    The republicans are afraid of this (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:27:08 PM EST
    All weekend they have been fretting about discounting the votes of millions of voters.

    So sad.  

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:38:39 PM EST
    knew the writing was on the wall when Nancy jumped ship.

    For all the accolades given to Biden's presidency, Nancy made all of it possible.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:44:39 PM EST
    But IMO this is hero stuff.  Biden deserves a monument on the Mall if we win or not.

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    Best (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:13:48 PM EST
    4 year run of a President in at least a half century.

    I wonder if this wasn't some kind of Kabuki legacy theatre for him after all.

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    Truly (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:27:41 PM EST
    Joe is a true patriot who put his country before his party unlike the GOP currently running a felon.

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:38:29 PM EST
    unlike the Republicans, the Democrats put the country ahead of their leader.

    Kind of nice lay down of your cards, ok goobers you win this round, sleepy Joe has got to go, we know how to face up to a hard truth. Now let's talk about delusional Donnie....

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    Great (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:42:05 PM EST
    minds

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    I (none / 0) (#149)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:04:16 PM EST
    am not always a complete cynic all the time.

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    The contrast (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 02:39:38 PM EST
    between this selfless act and Trumps me me me could not be better for us.

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    No one is ever quitting (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 01:16:05 PM EST
    until they do.

    OK. Who is the VP pick? (none / 0) (#161)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:16:42 PM EST


    That is under discussion, inter alia (none / 0) (#162)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:50:34 PM EST
    on the new thread.

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    Thanks Peter. (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 03:00:49 PM EST
    At the time, I was unaware a new thread had been put up.

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