Joseph Gervay, Department of Athletics at the University of Vermont: But, um, it--it was a party that involved a lot of alcohol, involved some nudity, involved some--some sexual touching, um, and, uh, one of the first year players on the team, um, later made a complaint to the department. Uh, the university hired a law firm to interview all the players and coaches and anybody who was involved. Um, this was a player-only event that the coaching staff had no, uh, no knowledge of. Uh, but they did all these interviews. The student who made the complaint, um, refused to be interviewed at that time. UH, the players on our team, despite our pleading, decided to get together sort of a common story. They would admit to certain activities but not to others. And, uh, that's ultimately what cost them the season, because it later came out--the student who made the complaint later, uh, uh, filed a lawsuit naming the head coach, uh, several players, the athletic director, uh, and, um, it later came out in a--another investigation, it became a very political situation. Our--the team at the University of Vermont is a very high-profile team on campus and in that community, and around the state of Vermont, and it became a very political situation, and a lot of public attention in the media. And eventually the, uh, Attorney General in Vermont was conducting, uh, a second investigation and, uh, during the course of his investigation it came out that, uh, some of the players--virtually all of the players had concealed certain information. Uh, so it was at that point that, uh, the season was cancelled in January, and it was the final 15 games of our season.

If it turns out the boys did it, they should be removed immediately and programs need to be installed to teach these kids how unacceptable the behavior was,

charliedontsurf1 - I give the transcription service at Mass. Law an A+. Imagine if the transcripts of our, uh, President were as, uh, accurate

Charlie agreed BBall might be a stretch but I only mean to point out that its "easy" for Duke to cancel the season and suspend/fire/resign their coach because lets face it, Lacross doesn't bring prestige or money to the school. I don't give Duke any high marks for what they've done so far. They've assumed guilt and are covering thier fear by using this incident to go after a culture at Duke that if it does exhist they new it did or purposely ignored it. All that said Duke is in a bad spot but I can garuntee you Duke would NEVER cancel their basketball season, the games would go on.

The stripper/escort would always demand to be paid up front both initially for showing up and for any additional services.

My point is that the strippers did not hold the upper hand in any business transgression that may have happened at the house.

Why don't you meet a few wealthy white guys, perhaps you might change your opinion. Then again, Bill Clinton is a wealthy white guy and look how he turned out.

Except she should have included "rich white guys going to vegas for a bachelor party" with frat guys in her distrust.

ahhhhh, who said I'm not a wealthy white guy.

The following day -- March 29 -- McFadyen reportedly was one of about 500 people who attended a Take Back the Night march during Sexual Assault Awareness Week at Duke. "I completely support this event and this entire week," McFadyen told The Chronicle, Duke's student newspaper. "It's just sad that the allegations we are accused of happened to fall when they did."

When do we all take a mature look at what is really going on here?

culture where women think its okay to flaunt and sell sex, and not have to deal with the hazards of doing so.

My point is that the strippers did not hold the upper hand in any business transgression that may have happened at the house.

sometimes certain phrases are use to liberally to be anything more than worn-out cliches. But, you obviously want to blame the victim, where the alleged victims in this case are the strippers, no matter what happened.

I don't understand how the stripper being drunk, on drugs, and especially 27 years old (all of which is alleged at this point--and not part of any police report tht I am aware of), can have any bearing on the matter if she was in fact raped or physically assualted.

If she was so drunk or high to exactly know what took place, then it she may have consented.

Barnwell said the victim was intoxicated, which under state law immediately implies impaired consent. Barnwell said he did not know whether Davis was under the influence. "The victim's ability to give consent is what's important from a police standpoint," Barnwell said. "Whether the perpetrator is intoxicated doesn't play a role."

but its so easily to blame the rich-white boys privilege boy culture?

So right there its you that want to convict someone without knowing all the evidence.

Ahhhh, yea here we go, I knew it was coming, that old cliche? "blaming the victim"

culture where women think its okay to flaunt and sell sex, and not have to deal with the hazards of doing so.

To that end I have always educated my daughters to never put themselves in a situation that they will regret.

one girl attacking three guys, or even one of the three guys, may seem implausible, but if she was drunk, and/or drugged, and really PO'd, I could see it happening. See Jl's example above.

Not for nothing, but I've seen two really angry women in a fight before. For me, I think I'd rather fight a guy if I had the choice. Less chance of serious injury.

If the girl's fingernails were ripped off on your face or near your eyes, you might be bit less dismissive of a woman's ability to defend/attack.

I am not worrying about fake fingernails in an attack by a stripper. Anything short of a knife or gun and I think I can hold my own.

Why don't you meet a few wealthy white guys, perhaps you might change your opinion. Then again, Bill Clinton is a wealthy white guy and look how he turned out.

In other developments, a defense attorney for one of players says he knows who made the 911 call the night of the alleged gang rape.

"We're absolutely positive the caller was not the accuser, but the other young lady there," Cheshire said.

Cheshire said witnesses have talked to the woman and a comparison of audio tapes proves the caller was the second dancer at the party, but Durham police say they do not know who called.

New information about the victim has been divulged, concerning charges arising from an incident that occurred several years ago. According to a 2002 police report, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man's car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County. Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report. Additional information notes that her blood-alcohol level registered at more than twice the legal limit.

New information about the victim has been divulged, concerning charges arising from an incident that occurred several years ago. According to a 2002 police report, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man's car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County. Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report. Additional information notes that her blood-alcohol level registered at more than twice the legal limit.