One wonders why Simeon would advise the family to stop making public statements.

"It's created problems," Simeon said. "They have been inadvertently hurting their daughter.

IMHO,

Do you think you have a exclusive right to snark and irony?

Should I address this question to inm*h*mbl**p*n**n?

Speaking of the Blue Wall of Silence, Nifong has stated that he doesn't expect any more indictments in the case. Now, tell me, unless one of the other players has something to hide, what on earth would now prevent each and every other party member from coming forward and telling their individual stories of what happened at the party? This could help provide that "exculpatory evidence" that the defense wants Nifong to attend to, couldn't it? Why wait any longer?

Last month, Gary traveled to the Triangle and spoke with the accuser's mother, but he has had no further contact with the family since then, said Kori Love, director of public relations for Gary's Stuart, Fla., firm.

Suddenly, a man with long dreadlocks holding a rifle appeared from the side of the apartment. Jackson watched as Nesmith was shot in the back as he tried to run away. Following the shooting, Jackson was unable to identify Nesmith's assailant in a photo line-up, but did identify defendant as the shooter at trial. LaToya Ray ("Toya"), another person in Margo's home that evening, also identified defendant as the man who shot Nesmith. Finally, Investigator W. C. Pitt ("Investigator Pitt"), of the Durham Police Department, testified that Toya had identified defendant as one of the men at her home on 6 July 1999. Investigator Pitt further testified that he had never seen defendant with dreadlocks.

Q. Were you standing guard or on watch on his Cadillac in connection with the business you just referred to? A. The business we was doing, we was smoking a blunt. That's what we was doing. That was the business that we was doing. I thought that it would incriminate me. That's the reason why I didn't answer my business yesterday. That's the business that we was doing.

What would be so bad about saying that, if that's how it happened? Maybe you'd have to admit to chugging a few beers, and not being quite a charming choir boy, but how could that seriously hurt either you or those indicted?

I'm beginning to agree with Cheshire and IMHO that the father's been a "tool" or "victim" of the daughter's yarn-spinning.

Lying to her father about the first rape then puts all of her communications with her father (and her veracity in general) into question.

Honestly, I don't know how other people feel, but a girl lying to her father, saying she wasn't involved in any sexual act, consenting or non-consenting, doesn't really damage her credibility in my book. How many girls or women do you know who are generally honest people and would be honest about reporting a crime, would tell their father if they had sex? There are probably some little girls' daddies out there who somehow think that their grandchildren arrived by stork!

My understanding is the DNA found on the vaginal swab was from epithelial cells with the boyfriend's DNA. That's skin cells.

In looking into Simeon's background I found he was attorney for a defendant in a case that suggests the alleged problems with the AV's identification may not prevent a conviction at trial.

Loflin called the larceny charge "entirely frivolous." He said it was "striking and surprising" that two principal investigators in the lacrosse case served the warrant instead of the usual lone uniformed officer.

He was held for five hours for questioning -- reportedly not about shoplifting, but about the Duke rape charges.

Because there was a warrant for her arrest, Roberts told police she picked up the woman on the road, in a crowd of men yelling racial slurs. Police did not ask her name, and Roberts went home. A week later, Roberts' escort agency told her police wanted to talk to her about a possible rape. After she gave a statement, police arrested her for the probation violation.

Once it comes to their attention, I think they have to arrest or be accused of favoritism.

Hmmm....I think this guise of avoiding favortism has a fake moustache too.

In the future would your mind referring to it as a FM = false mustache?

ABC News' Law & Justice Unit was given exclusive details about the latest DNA report in the Duke lacrosse rape investigation and was shown and reviewed parts of the 10-page document.

According to the DNA report, tests specifically designed to look for semen found none on swabs of the alleged victim's mouth or genital areas

As for your professed dreadlock precendent.....cases where disguises used in a crime resulted in a conviction.

According to the DNA report, tests specifically designed to look for semen found none on swabs of the alleged victim's mouth or genital areas

I was just trying to get at the basis of your claims of favoritism in the bonding procedure with Kim. So far you haven't provided much. Like I said, I don't know much about bonding but I'm guessing that a judge granted the request for bond reduction.

The Nifong

And, yes, forensic testing can reveal traces of latex, lubricant and spermicide....if it is there in sufficient quantities. I don't even watch CSI, but you should, it might help.

The Nifong recomended the bond reduction to the judge, who would oppose it then? Her attorney?

4. Is it possible for a condom to be used, without physical evidence of condom use (traces of latex, etc) being left behind? A few experts I contacted didn't feel they knew enough to answer this question. Of the experts who answered this question, however, all agreed that condoms could be used and not necessarily detected. Elizabeth Johnson wrote, "Testing for these substances is not typically done, despite what you see on CSI. There has been some research done re spermicides on condoms, but none of this is done as part of a typical test and validated methods for casework aren't there yet." William Shields wrote "This question is better asked of a forensic chemist but I do know that such traces are often but not always left behind." And William Thompson flatly answered "yes."

Congrats, you just ensured the case won't be tried in Durham.

Perhaps Seligmann can thank Cheshire for referring to the accuser as the "false accuser" several times during Dan Evan's press conference. I don't think that was a wise move. People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

IMHO, there's somebody making obscenely worded, audible threats to the defendant in the courtroom, and you feel his defense attorney is to blame? Would that be legal malpractice? He should have known better than to get "those people" all riled up?

Kali, the experts questioned by this lady seemed unsure about any condom evidence in the DNA tests.

I used alleged victim as a neutral term. False accuser stakes out a position, but I don't think a defense attorney can be very far from that position.

As far as Cheshire using the term "false accuser" having any responsibility on a New Black Panther making obscene threats (I've just seen comments here, haven't seen a news story or any video), that's absolutely ludicrous.

Was the person removed from the court? Arrested? Acknowledged

Black Panther threatened Seliegeman in courtroom.Hey, have you seen PB lately?

Yes, the AV could sue Cheshire for calling her a false accuser. And he would love it.

I'm not sure whether he was a member or just a local angry guy.

IMHO, an indicted rapist? A rapist who is indicted?

I am reminded of the woman who identified herself as a community leader who kept interrupting Cheshire earlier this week.

Victoria Peterson, a community activist, asked Joseph B. Cheshire V about racial slurs that lacrosse players reportedly hurled toward the accuser and another woman hired to dance at the party on March 13.

"If you put 46 African-American guys together in a volatile situation one of them may say a racial statement," Cheshire said without addressing her specific question. "If you put 46 Asians, one of them may say a racial statement. If you put 46 women, one of them may say something ugly about a man. That's just the way it is. This case is not about race.

chew2 can see the consequences of the New Black Panthers' threats. So who benefits? People who benefit from racism. That's what the NBPP is all about. That is their role, that is their function. Their function isn't to protect anyone. It's to divide. Think hard, everyone. Who benefits?

Kali, should we assume then that they didn't test for condoms? Would that have been in the report that the defense received on Friday? If it wasn't part of the test and if this case makes it far enough, don't you think the defense would have the samples tested for evidence of condoms?

"Twenty year old Reade Seligmann in court today with his lawyer Kirk Osborn watched as the DA laughed at what Osborn claim's is Seligmann's air tight alibi."

The second issue, is whether the State tested for it or was/is capable of testing for it. We don't know.

Bear in mind that The Nifong ordered the DNA tests, not the defense.

He's either got something, is an incurable optimist, or has gone stark raving mad.

Posted by inmyhumbleopinion May 18, 2006 02:45 PM Outside the Courthouse people shouting: "Justice will be served, rapist*." Inside the courtroom: A man sitting right behind Seligmann: "You're a dead man walking (swear word). I can't sit behind this (swear word)." *Perhaps Seligmann can thank Cheshire for referring to the accuser as the "false accuser" several times during Dan Evan's press conference. I don't think that was a wise move. People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

He turned over his entire case file today, so if there is something in there the defense has it.

Chew, I would think if they did test for it and no evidence was found that we would have heard.

People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited * and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

you are deliberately attempting to deflect culpability from the individual who made a direct, violent threat onto an individual

But I'd still like to know whether such tests are even possible.

PB, the woman was hospitalized for mental illness last year. What's the speculation?

Adding to the confusion? Teresa, of all people?

His statement is right, though. I worked in probably the most integrated workplace in America. I've heard members of every group make racist, bigoted, homophobic and sexist remarks. It happens. Humans are very imperfect creatures. All humans.