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DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote

By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:05:49 PM EST
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The Wall Street Journal reports:

NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN: Charges of coziness with Republicans mark Democratic chairman's race, from ex-Rep. Roemer's past opposition to Clinton's economic plan to ex-Rep. Frost's 2004 re-election ad touting ability to work with Bush and Hastert. As candidates prepare to court committee members Saturday in New York, some veterans fear the spectacle of chaos. "It's supposed to be a rigged deal," grouses ex-Clinton strategist Carville.

[via Politcal Wire.]

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    DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote | 16 comments (16 topical)
    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#1)
    by ras on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:31:52 PM EST
    Dems are still defining themselves firstly by what they oppose? That's what got 'em here in the first place.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#2)
    by BigTex on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:18:36 PM EST
    Lifenews is reportin' that Dean has it locked up. Th' report goes and says that while th' Dems are debatin' Dean is quietly securin' support behind th' scene. Makes me wonder why H Clinton came out tryin' t' find common ground on abortion th' other day. At first I shrugged it off as an early 2008 campagin' stump speech test run, but if Dean really is startin' t' close ranks behind him then she may be comin' out as a contrarian t' him t' position herself as th' natural leader if he fails t' meet expectations in 2006.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#3)
    by brian on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 04:44:57 AM EST
    The Democrats have to realize that they have to define what they are, not simply offer lukewarm opposition to the Republicans, in order to start winning again. Dean knows what he stands for.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 06:17:42 AM EST
    yes because we know the Rpugs stand for war, restriction of civil liberty, denying basic civil rights and hetero cartoon characters. At least they have clearly defined themselves

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 06:18:20 AM EST
    If you think Hillary talking like a republican is going to get her elected in 2008, then you probably should see how well the repub lite talk worked for Mr. Kerry. Dean talks like Dean. His message will move the electorate if he can get it out. We shouldn't even bother responding to the repub attacks against him, just keep talking the message, it has legs. He might be the democratic Ron Reagan who can reinvent the party. You go, Howie.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 07:20:28 AM EST
    et al - Do it. The Democrats should define themselves as what the far left wing of the party wants. Me? I'm going to Las Vegas and get some money down on the next election. And it sure isn't going to be a bet for a Demo win.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 07:45:59 AM EST
    Carville's exasperated Freudian slip is proof positive of how innately corrupt the DNC/DLC bunch has gone...and illustrates starkly just how badly the Dem leadership needs new blood.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:23:19 AM EST
    And if Dean is selected, is he then corrupted?

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 10:25:25 AM EST
    cycles. ok say it again cycles!!! you Reps talk as if your going to have the power indefinitely. again demonstrating your inability to view this nations reality of "political fickleness". i can assure you W.. has fu**ed it up for Reps for a long time to come, eventually people will awaken from their slumber, and its gonna be, oh wtf have we done, and life will begin to balance itself once more.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 11:03:38 AM EST
    Che, you know as well as I do that there has grown up an entire 'machine' within the Dem party that has pretty much turned it's back on its' base in hopes of illusory victories by courting those who know better than to trust them...namely, major corporate donors. The ugly fact remains that the original base of the Dem Party is inimical to the goals of those it presently is trying to court. The old 'labor versus capital' dispute is active here in all but name; the Dems are piss-their-pants scared at even whispering the words 'class warfare', when in fact that is the reality they are confronted with. A reality they are assiduously trying to ignore. Dean means to shake up that machine; those who are presently being fed from it are not likely to relinquish control so easily. If he wins, he will have to engage in a purge to clear all the old McAuliffe installed 'equipment' out before he gets a clear shot at remaking the Dem Party. I expect to see political blood coming out from under the closed doors soon...and it may very well be Dean's.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 02:09:58 PM EST
    Dean is definitely the most sincere democrat on the national stage. I like the calm intelligence of Obama as well, although I think 2008 may be too soon for him. It is too early to count the dems out on the presidential race in 2008. Look at Dubya's Dad, King George the first, he had a second term all wrapped up, victorious in Desert Storm etc. Then came Perot and Clinton along with "It's the economy Stupid" and submarined the second coronation. Let's see if the dems get any traction in 2006, Americans really like divided government and Dubya's second term is an anomaly due to 9/11. Let's see if after 4 more years of Bushology what the country will be in the mood for. Right now I don't see any republican other than McCain who has a good reputation. In '08 Dems will beat Rudy or Newt handily.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#13)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 02:48:10 PM EST
    Nemo, Agreed. I would rejoin in a nanosec if Dean got in and started a purge. But I am not optimistic. Look what the media does to him and the sheeple follow. I can't believe people would dismiss this man based upon something as ridiculous as an emotional outburst. Maybe he can form another 3rd party to take Nader's place. Because the Dems are by now just a bunch of Republican wannabe's

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 05:12:17 PM EST
    Che, in my estimation, they are worse than that; they've become Republican footmen, living examples of all those old lawn statues painted to look like Black folks, in red livery holding outstretched lamps. Instead of acting as democracy's shop stewards, they've sold out for middle management positions in the SCA - ScrewAmarica Combine.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:34:37 PM EST
    This was reported in the Wall Street Journal. Hello? Wall Street Journal?

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:49:28 PM EST
    The Wall Street Journal has some of the best reporting around on torture, detainees, the war. It's just the editorial page (an reporters bashing bloggers) you need to avoid.

    Re: DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 03:03:25 PM EST
    Contact people who will be voting on DNC Chair!!! Time to save Social Security---acctually good that W Bush is staking his second term on an issue he will loose. Lets do more to raise wages please look at issues on our website---inclding possible Technology Parks [link deleted, not in html format] Check out effort to break up Wal-Mart Sherman Anti-Trust Law! Petition!

    DNC Chair Update: Carville Quote | 16 comments (16 topical)