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Update: (by TL)Buried in the latest Post article is this piece of information:

The judge awarded only $1 for damages, even though he could have given the plaintiff lost wages and the cost of new motion- sensor lights for her porch and more. She had itemized about $3,000 in all.

We're talking about Durango, Colorado. This is a town so sparsely populated that it doesn't even have taxis waiting at the airport to drive arriving passengers into town. What would motion-sensor lights attract besides wild animals? Did she want a scare every night? Lost wages? This is beginning to sound more and more like a scam.

Also, thousands of dollars are pouring in for the girls, well above what they were ordered to pay. Yesterday, the Post reported that excess donations would go to the victims' fund for the 1999 Columbine attacks. Today, the Post reports the girls now have a college fund. The following appears in a text box embedded in the article.

The families say the girls' court costs are covered, but people who still want to donate can designate that the money be used for the girls' college funds or for the "Never Forgotten" scholarship fund for Columbine students. The families set up this address for mail and donations: Taylor Ostergaard and Lindsey Zellitti, P.O. Box xxxx Durango, CO 81301.

Enough. It was funny yesterday. The story got its 15 minutes and more. There's no need to exploit it. What's next, a book and movie deal? Will Gloria Allred be representing them?

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Bump and Update: (TL) Donations are pouring in to cover the $900 judgment and the girls are on their way to New York to appear on Good Morning America

"We just put them on the plane. Lindsey, Taylor and Jill (Taylor's mother) are headed to New York to do 'Good Morning America,"' Martha Zellitti, Lindsey's mom, said Friday night.

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Original Post:

by TChris

Further proof that no good deed goes unpunished:

Taylor Ostergaard and Lindsey Zellitti, both 18, decided to bake chocolate chip cookies for their nine rural neighbors in Durango. They left the cookies at their neighbors' doors with a note written on red paper that they cut into the shape of a heart. The note said "Have a great night. Love, The T and L Club." They knocked on each door three times (so that the neighbors would discover the cookies before they were eaten by animals), then ran away.

Neighbor Wanita Young freaked out at the 10:20 p.m. knock on her door. She called the police, who found the cookies. The cookies apparently didn't help Young overcome her anxiety attack, for which she sought hospital care. Then she sued Taylor and Lindsey in small claims court, where she recovered a judgment for $930.78, making these the most expensive chocolate chip cookies ever baked.

Fortunately, a Denver radio station raised more than $1,900 to pay the judgment. (The balance will be donated to a charity for Columbine victims.) And champions of tort reform finally have something legitimate to talk about: silly lawsuits against friendly neighbors.

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  • Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 09:57:02 AM EST
    Ms. Young is probably equally neurotic about cookies on her computer, too.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#2)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 10:16:43 AM EST
    Great decision by the small claims court. (That was sarcasm.)

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 10:18:35 AM EST
    I posted my opinion of this case over at 5280. Shorter version: Did this neighbor never hear of Valium or psychotherapy?

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 10:49:57 AM EST
    I bet the administration uses this as an example for ... ahem ... torte reform;-)

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 11:04:21 AM EST
    We read this story on CNN and couldn't believe it. Is there more to this than what was reported? It sounds like they honestly tried to do something nice, and this lady just flipped out. I don't get it.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#6)
    by Kitt on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 11:09:51 AM EST
    First, there's this: "Several days later, Young found out who had left the cookies on her doorstep while speaking on the telephone with Taylor Ostergaard's mother, Jill Ostergaard, who offered to pay for expenses related to the incident not covered by Young's health insurance plan. The girls also wrote a note of apology to Young, but on the advice of an attorney, they opted not to meet with her in person. (damned attorneys) And I can see why... "All I wanted was for those girls to admit that they used poor judgment and apologize in person. If they had done that, I wouldn't have even asked for the money. I just hope they learned a lesson." Yeah - the lesson, don't give that weirdo any more cookies. Trying to force someone to admit an act was 'wrong' based upon their intent isn't worth the time. It's a matter of perspective: they 'knocked loudly' vs a 'horrible banging.' Whatever. I'm a bit concerned about the clients who find they need the Durango Food Bank and have to deal with this woman. Of course, she could be a 'different person' in that situation. Then there's this from ras's homefront.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 11:15:58 AM EST
    I despise gold diggers. I was sued over a fender bender, and the case was so erroneous, even the insurance company refused to settle. We went to trial 4 years later, and the jury found I was 100% not at fault and the gold digger got bubkiss. Justice served for once, though most times the gold diggers do get rewarded. Later, I escaped unhurt from a bad wreck caused by another driver. Friends all told me, see a doctor, get a lawyer, sue the guy. I responded that I was lucky not to be hurt, and I'm not gonna make the guy who hit me go through what I went through, being sick with worry, missing work for court dates & depos., having difficulty getting car insurance, etc.. I'd rather work for a living and be able to look in the mirror every day, instead of pocketing a couple grand. Tort reform isn't necessary, people just need to stop looking for a way to get paid for doing nothing. To poignantly quote Ossie Davis..."Do the right thing". Common decency goes a long way. Tort reform will lead to those who are truly wronged getting stiffed, that's all.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 11:17:19 AM EST
    I hope Ms. Young gets ostracized by her neighbors, and karma catches her quick.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 12:00:05 PM EST
    See, I can understand feeling upset and worried when it's late and dark and you live in a rural area and someone knocks on your door and runs away. No blame there. But, once the police had discovered the cookies and the woman realised it was just a ploy by neighboring kids to give their neighbors a friendly gift... sueing is inexcusable. As well as silly.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 01:21:23 PM EST
    Read about this yesterday, I think on CNN. Definitely overkill on the part of the woman who sued, and unbelieveable that even after the verdict she was still griping about justice not having been served.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 01:42:55 PM EST
    I like this graf from the Denver Post: Court records contain half a dozen letters from neighbors who said they enjoyed the unexpected treats. But Young, at home with her 18-year-old daughter and elderly mother, said she saw shadowy figures who banged and banged at her door. She thought they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said. How many neighbors has she tangled with previously?

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 04:37:04 PM EST
    TL : "Did this neighbor never hear of Valium or psychotherapy?" She can afford some now. But certainly not enough, of either.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 04:38:45 PM EST
    OT! but, get the job kdog?

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#14)
    by cp on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 06:49:56 PM EST
    i got the distinct impression this woman has problems other than two girls knocking on her door, at 10:30pm, and leaving fresh baked cookies. the judge should have suggested she take some of her money and seek professional mental therapy. granted, it was probably unwise to knock at that late hour, but once the situation was explained, what good purpose was served by this woman's pursuit of "justice"? it's nice that the community chipped in to pay the judgement, but i doubt this woman will get the hint.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:33:18 AM EST
    The two 18 year olds showed very poor judgement. Ten-thirty at night is not a reasonable hour to deliver unrequested cookies, especially the knock and run variety.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 06:56:51 AM EST
    xy109e3: please tell that either 1) your comment was intended to be snarky, or 2) that your handle "xy109e3" denotes your serial number on the android assembly line -- because if intended to be taken seriously, you are obviously incapable of human emotion. Our world would be a much better place if more teenagers like this took it into their hearts and minds to spread fellowship like this.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 07:06:11 AM EST
    Excuse me, but what was the crime they committed?? Was there a no trespassing sign on the residence?? Why didn't the 18 yr. old seek medical attention as well? Was she not as concerned about the situation as her mother? How many burgulars knock on the door and run away?, most I would guess ring the doorbell. If this was a real emergency, and someone knocked to tell her her house was on fire, would she not have had a similar attack of anxiety and sued the door knocker. The judge needs to be admonished for letting this nutcase prevail in court. He simply could have ruled that no monetary award was forthcoming,( afterall- payment was rendered in cookies lol ) and that the plantiff was free to collect her medical reimbursement from any willing neighbor who was willing to donate in her behalf.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#18)
    by yank in london on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 09:29:29 AM EST
    This is clearly the President's fear mongering at work. The woman clearly felt that these were pastries of mass destruction.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 11:58:08 AM EST
    I wouldn't eat cookies if I didn't know who/where they came from.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:11:35 PM EST
    Constance: My comments were to be taken seriously. A knock and run at 10:30 at night is not the type of teenage fellowship that needs spreading. The 2 teens were extremely inconsiderate knowing that an 86 year old ived in the house. If they wanted to spead fellowship the could have shown up at a daylight hour... the 86 year would have welcomed the company

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#21)
    by cp on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 08:56:06 PM EST
    ok! well, with that update, i now know a cheap way to get my "15 minutes of fame": go knock on my neighbor's door, late in the evening, and leave fresh baked cookies on the door step. call the police, my lawyer, the local radio station and newspaper, set an appt. with my doctor, and get ready for celebrity! apparently, with paris and nicky hilton off partying somewhere, the country is desperate for shallow news.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 06:32:28 AM EST
    Still waiting on results of urinalysis Dev, I pass and it's mine! I'll let you know.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 08:24:28 AM EST
    What would motion-sensor lights attract besides wild animals? The point of motion sensor lights is not to attract things, and if anything they probably repel wild animals as effectively as any other kind of intruder. yank: Excuse me, but what was the crime they committed?? Since this wasn't a criminal proceeding, I don't see how that question is relevant.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 01:09:03 PM EST
    cmdicely, bad choice of word "attract" on my part. I should have used "catch." my point was that in this locale, so few people are out wandering around or breaking into homes at night, while there is an abundance of wild animals so that the lights are apt to catch animals not people. Plus I would think they'd constantly being going off and causign more anxiety attacks.

    Re: Bad Neighbor (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 01:13:46 PM EST
    Anxiety attacks, is this a new age thing? It seems everybody is having anxiety attacks. What happened to just feeling anxious or getting startled? No need to make a federal case out of it.