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Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely'

by TChris

Apologists for the Bush administration who cling desperately to the belief that Saddam Hussein really did have weapons of mass destruction have sometimes argued that the WMD's were spirited away to Syria before the United States invaded Iraq. A new report by the Iraq Survey Group rejects that theory as "unlikely."

The ISG report also said that 12 years of international sanctions against Baghdad after the Persian Gulf War had left Iraq's scientific community decimated and their skills in a state of "natural decay." The group added that it was unlikely that Iraq's scientists were capable of recreating the destroyed weapons programs, meaning Iraq would have possessed little, if anything, to transfer to anywhere.

Charles Duefler, who heads the ISG, says that Iraqi scientists have told the ISG everything they know, and should no longer be detained.

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  • Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:51:48 AM EST
    This is past the point of absurdity. At this point you might as well check Cheney's pants for WMDs.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 11:20:47 AM EST
    We went to war to liberate the Iraqi people. We always went to war to liberate the Iraqi people. We never went to war over WMD's.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 11:55:46 AM EST
    I thought the Orwellian sarcasm was obvious. I guess you can't be too careful w/ sarcasm these days.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:28:26 PM EST
    Kdog I hope you speak with Tongue firmly planted in your cheek! If not the kool aid is taking effect and causing permanent brain damage.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#5)
    by cp on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 01:47:05 PM EST
    apparently not, kdog! one question: do you get the reward money before or after you get shot? in the cases prompting this bit of publicity hound nonsense, the shooters didn't check their weapons at the door, they just came in with guns a'blazin! i am at somewhat of a loss as to how offering a reward for telling is going to help in that situation. of course, so many things done by those in nominal charge of our nation's public schools cause me confusion. it points up the truth of the old saying, "those that can't teach, become administrators."

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#6)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:10:22 PM EST
    then where the hell did they go?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#7)
    by Johnny on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:19:58 PM EST
    LOLOLOL Can;t wait for the wrong-wingers to start posting how "insert group/news agency/individual here" cannot be trusted...

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#8)
    by glanton on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:33:48 PM EST
    Kinda makes you believe in predestination, doesn't it? We knew theyt wouldn't find anything and we also knew that after that, they would say "well, it was never about that anyway, it was for these other reasons that we cavlierly slaughtered thousands. "And plus, they were probably moved anyway." Such a tightly written piece of Absurdist Theater Pinter or Beckett could never have pulled off. On an artistic level, you really gotta hand it to these bloodsuckers.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#9)
    by Sailor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:16:50 PM EST
    It is beyond belief that we didn't have KH sats and recon drones monitoring that very possibility. We just wasted all this money by having 'boots on the ground' confirm it.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:28:30 PM EST
    At this point you might as well check Cheney's pants for WMDs. I'm sure that Cheney has been creating WMD's in his pants since he was wearing the three cornered variety . . .

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:03:13 PM EST
    et al - Perhaps you should read the article closely: "The group also said it had been unable to complete its investigation because of security concerns and couldn't rule out an "unofficial" transfer of material." Perhaps you should remember that Saddam tried bribing one inspector. Now. I have nothing to hide. Hey, Mr. Inspector, I will give you money to say I have nothing to hide when I have nothing to hide. Kinda strange, eh? Bribing someone to tell the truth. Huh?? Perhaps you should read the Kay Report, particularly the last one third of it. Perhaps you should let a small dose of common sense soak into your minds.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:08:38 PM EST
    You forgot to mention that Iraq was going to attack us Jim. And dont forget the Iraq/911 connection - youve been letting that one slide lately.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#13)
    by Sailor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:11:34 PM EST
    Thanks for bringing up Dr. Kay's report:
    David Kay said Sunday that his group found no evidence Iraq had stockpiled unconventional weapons before the U.S.-led invasion in March.
    Next!

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:14:00 PM EST
    The lack of WMD theory is just another leftwing conspiracy
    Sources: Fix News, Craptains Quarrel, Gauge Cohort, New Smacks. Reality: Iraq shines like a beacon of freedom! Substance: Democracy built by the barrel of a gun works! Fact: Every Muslim wants a green zone!

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:34:30 PM EST
    Sailor - And I never said it had, and I never said the Kay report said so. In fact his comment on "Sunday" was no news. Only the media tries to make something out of things like this. i.e. Someone repeats themselves two years later. I said read the report, especially the last third of it where it is definitively stated that Saddam had delivery systems that exceeded the specs on the UN agreement that kept him in power, and information showing that he wanted to get back in the WMD business, and was trying to do so. BTW - Have you ever wondered why Saddam wanted long range missles?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#16)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:44:17 PM EST
    Saddam also wanted ray guns.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#17)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:26:34 PM EST
    I wonder what Earl Butz would have said when asked what Saddam wanted?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#18)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:31:28 PM EST
    As I remember Saddam was working on a "super gun" for awhile. An American was helping him. The Israelies assainated him.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#19)
    by Johnny on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:47:29 PM EST
    I also remember when we found those plans for one of Saddam's long range missiles... Scribbled on a napkin. Obviously the hundreds of people involved were either sent to Syria or they were buried in mass graves which have yet to be found. I bet if we find the mass graves we find the WMD!

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#20)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:49:21 PM EST
    I thought I read somewhere that the original intell about WMD moving to Syria came from Israel.....or was it Ahmed Chalabi....or was it Richard Perle.....no, I think it came from tortured prisners at Abu Garib, yeah that's it

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 05:40:57 AM EST
    Che - Difference was, Saddam had long range missles. Try reading rather than just snarking. It night make you smarter.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:21:59 AM EST
    You can't always get what you want. And when you don't, the US govt. will claim you did and bomb you to the stone age.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:25:21 AM EST
    Jim, isn't it interesting how before the war, every world leader, including Putin, Chirac, Blix, and Annan believed that Saddam had WMDs, but THESE CLOWNS on THIS THREAD somehow ALL KNEW OTHERWISE! So, clowns, why didn't you speack up then, and if you did, why not show us the evidence that you did? And you wonder why intelligent peopld don't take the left seriously...

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:36:02 AM EST
    What happened to not basing foreign policy on international opinion, Ace? You trying to have it both ways? On captital punishment, who which kills only Americans: "You can't tell America what to think and do!" On Iraq, when the WMD fiasco blows up in America's face: "Hey, ALL THE OTHER Countries thought so too!!" Ace, no one else blew the hell out of Iraq, America did that...so who's at fault, the ones who did the blowing up or the ones who said, "Yeah, he might still have something, but we don't have enough proof to invade"?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:40:24 AM EST
    Ace.. I believe it was Michael Moore who said...." I have no proof that Iraq has no WMD's, I just know the parties involved habitually lie, and I put two and two together." Either way, guess what, us bloggin' lefties were right and all those politicians you listed weren't. All those people are dead over lies. At least I can sleep at night knowing I never supported the charade.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:46:55 AM EST
    Bravo, kdog...I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw dead bodies everywhere when the neo-cons shrugged and said, "sh*#t happens." These "errors" (I like to call them lies and conquest) have killed tens of thousands of innocent people. You don't free someone with a cruise missile to the living room...you kill people that way...and it ain't "collateral damage" when people are missing limbs and heads...it's called genocide...

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:59:53 AM EST
    I'd be sleeping in my bed, same as always. How is lacking credibility now? Gimme a B, Gimme a U....

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 09:03:49 AM EST
    I'd call it an educated guess by Moore, same as all the politicians who guessed he had the weapons. Just that Moore was proved right. It's as simple as 2+2, Bush & Co. habitually lie, hence they lied about the weapons. I call it their "track record".

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 09:07:36 AM EST
    Don't try to change the subject, Ace...conservatives howl that they won't be held to world opinion when they have an axe to grind...I'm just wondering why they're pointing to the rest of the world when they're the ones who made the case to attack. The U.N. didn't bring fudged documents, Powell did. The U.N. didn't lie about yellowcake, the U.S. gov't sent Powell to do that. Saddam didn't "toss out" the inspectors as Bush claimed later to justify the war and no WMD's...Bush ordered the inspectors out before he started bombing. You want to talk, Ace, let's talk...but don't blame us for the cons being wrong. The old saying: You did good, good for you You did wrong, leave me out of it Right now, the world is looking at Iraq, and telling America, "Wow, what a f*#king mess!....you guys bought it, YOU PAY FOR IT." Would any other world leader say the same?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:25:40 AM EST
    Top Clown - Yes, Putin, Chirac, Blix, and Annan believed the US and CIA knew something they did not. All of them supported inspections. Trusting the sanity of wingnuts is not an option.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:28:23 AM EST
    So if Iraq had seen the U.S. building for an invasion and had launched their own defensive strikes against Isreal and Kuwait, you'd justify that as them being "safer than sorry?" You can't kill people based on hypothesis. What if Saddam had made a dress and competed in the Miss America pageant? What does one hypothetical situation compare to the next? When you invade a country and you've left thousands of bodies lying around, you'd better find what you came looking for OR ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. P.S. Tell the 1,500 dead American soldiers that America's safer now...and why are they dead, since Saddam has never been proven to have killed ONE AMERICAN before the war? Looks like a helluvalot more people ARE DEAD than WOULD HAVE DIED if the U.S. hadn't done what it did...anyone else agree? To those who claim that America saved Iraqi lives, Blaghdaddy points to Sudan and asks what George II is waiting for...a change of skin color?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:29:56 AM EST
    At least we would have had a valid reason to invade Iraq if Saddam had used weapons on us. I guess I'm old fashioned that way, I prefer we not go to war unless we are attacked. You know, a valid reason. PS..I am just as safe today as I was for the 20 odd years of Saddam's rule. He was never a threat to me. Besides, if I was to die in a WMD attack, I'd like to die with my conscience clear.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:36:30 AM EST
    Yes, but whatif whatif whatif? The what if's lose, in the face of "But it didn't..."

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:40:01 AM EST
    What if Saddam had had WMD's and had rained them down on Jerusalem, saying, "They're coming for me anyways?" What if that's the only thing he would have used them for, otherwise he'd have kept them hidden? Something tells me Israel wouldn't have been so "rah-rah, go U.S." then. What if Saddam had had the WMD's, and when the Marines hit the border he sprayed Kuwait with death? You think the Middle-East would have thanked America for it? How about it?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:59:43 AM EST
    Our record on this matter is clear...we do NOT invade countries that actually have WMD. Doctor Ace...PPJ...I am sure you are both aware that Iraq buried all their WMD in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Now we have to DRILL FOR THEM!!

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#36)
    by Walter on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:31:16 AM EST
    Ahmed Chalabi an Iranian spy.....didn't see that coming

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:41:41 PM EST
    Except that we were saying the same things before the invasion. But you trusted the Bush admin., hopefully you learned a valuable lesson, but I doubt it.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#38)
    by Walter on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:03:36 PM EST
    uh...O.K.....I'll bite. Since it appears that the analysis of WMD kinda missed the mark, why exactly did Saddam want long range missles other than to shoot at someone far away? What exactly was the range of the long range missles he had? Were they ICBM or equivalent?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:14:25 PM EST
    Maybe Bush was discreetly patting down that rotten Saudi prince looking for WMD during that touchy-feely meeting on the ranch this week.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:15:04 PM EST
    So now we wage war based on who's trying to buy what? More excuses. Would we be hearing these rationales if WMD had been found? No, we'd be hearing "Told You! Ha Ha! We were right! And you're under arrest from treason!" Does anyone doubt this? If you do, check your partisanship at the door. No one makes excuses when they're right...

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    A little off-topic, don't ya think? The war was about WMD, not Peace In Our Time...

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:54:31 PM EST
    Long range missiles? Are we talking about those old Scuds? Short range and highly inaccurate, hardly a threat to the US... Thou somewhat of a threat to Israel..

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:59:22 PM EST
    walter - If you have to ask then you are incapable of understanding.,.. But it does something like this. To carry WMD's to a distant target. Ernesto - Tell us oh funny tongued one, what did we do to rate the 9/11 attacks? JosephW - The question is, was he trying to get back into the game, and what he would have done when he had'em. Repeat after me. It is a pre-emptive strategy.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:01:40 PM EST
    Buddy, we HAD peace, or we wouldn't have GONE TO WAR... I'd say sorry for anything that was my fault... President Bush? Are you there?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#46)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:22:23 PM EST
    For those keeping track: - Kay's final report (not interim) concluded iraq had no WMDs. - Blix stated " The U.S. and the UK say that they have evidence that the Iraqis retain weapons of this kind. We do not have such evidence here" Of course once you kick the inspectors out they can't finish their work. - Duelfer's reported that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction. The Iraq Survey Group's 1,000-page report concludes that after Iraq's defeat in the 1991 Gulf War, the country's chemical and biological weapons programs were destroyed. Lie to yourself if you want, but the facts are inescapable. Oh, and the 'long range missles', were just over 150 km. It is sheer wingnut fantasy to think that sh could build an intercontinental missle. Kinda like those 'drones of mass distruction' they claimed could attack the US.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:28:42 PM EST
    Yeah I hear you Ace, it's a cry for help isn't it? You suffer from some kind of severe disorder making it impossible for you to tell people apart. Poor delusional thing... saddam and OBL ain' the same thing you got them mixed up as usual.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#48)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:55:37 PM EST
    Iraq didn't transfer WMDs to syria because iraq didn't have any WMDs. Case closed. Next.

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 01:31:17 AM EST
    Ernesto - Tell us oh funny tongued one, what did we do to rate the 9/11 attacks?
    Que???? What the hell does this have to do with Iraq... or Syria for that matter? In another thread I already went over how our own covert actions that got the ball rolling towards 9/11. The concept completely eluded you so what's the point of going there again? Getting back on topic...what did Iraq do to rate our application of "Shock and Awe"?

    Re: Transfer of WMD's to Syria 'Unlikely' (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 09:47:19 AM EST
    The Bush admin. being held accountable?....even less likely.