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Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings

By Jeralyn, Section Foreign Affairs
Posted on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 12:27:34 PM EST
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Let's hope this isn't true. Human Rights Watch as of yet has not reported this.

Background here.

More on the prospective hangings from DC Democrat at Daily Kos.

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    Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings | 37 comments (37 topical)
    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#1)
    by stoic on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the original "gay hanging" (the pic looks familiar) debunked over at Americablog? Weren't the two in the photo hanged for molesting a little girl? I can't find a search over at Americablog or I'd provide a link.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#2)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    so far, the only confirmable facts in this case is that they were hung for being gay. it occurs to me that perhaps we're taking the wrong approach here. i submit that we should propose that the fundamentalist, religious right in america merge with iran. it would seem to be the perfect match, one made in, um..............well, not heaven.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#3)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    Boy, Fred Phelps and the "God Hates Fags" ministry must be feeling conflicted.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#4)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    stoic: No. They were hanged for allegedly gang-raping a teenage boy, a charge that was quite probably trumped up to save the honor of the alleged victim's family. Ironically, if it had been a teenage girl, the girl would have been hanged along with the boys, as prescribed by Sharia law.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#5)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    scar - Let me understand. The post says that Iranians are hanging gays and you manage to bring in an attack on "Boy, Fred Phelps and the "God Hates Fags" ministry." Gee scar, couldn't you, just one time, say something bad about these people in the ME that are intent on making the world purchase pray rugs?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#6)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    Those photos mean nothing. Is there any verifiable evidence that these young men were actually hanged? Not that it'd surprise me - these Iranians are almost as bad as American Christian fundies.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#7)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    So can we say KKK 1915?..Most people think that the kkk only murdered blacks but in fact the boys in the kkk did murder whites and jews and others, my grandfather told me this, that is the reason he never joined the nut cases, the fact is the iran government nuts are the new KKK In the muslim world "way"..by the way most muslim male do each other until the age of 16, after 16 years old its not allowed. but what did bush say about the murders, one word "nothing", maybe bush is part of the ideals of the kkk, who are now controlled by the political muslims nuts? the fact is the middle east is a cesspool and is in total chaos because of its non ideals, and the people are hold by its insane culture is never talked about by this insane culture, it is all insane, but never fear Fred Is here!...sad world of nut's and you are all walking into the third world war, just like bush wants. the poor fools who were doing each other are now with god, and maybe with each other?...down with the nut's, long live the ideals of our once great. "justice for all". by the way its the culture fools!

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    Michael Michael- You may want to check your facts before quoting Sharia law. Of late, we are looking quite like the savage culture these days.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#9)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    Squeaky: If a woman cannot provide four male witnesses to prove she was raped, she is guilty of slander, punishable by 80 lashes, as well as adultery, which is punishable by death. I've done a fair bit of research into Sharia law as it applies to the two kids who were hanged, as well as the woman in Nigeria who was sentenced to stoning. Before you suggest that I check the facts, you might check them yourself to see if I had the facts straight.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    More links to the first hangings with pictures: The rape charge is widely believed to be an after-the-hanging coverup by Iran. More here

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#11)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    John Mann writes:
    Not that it'd surprise me - these Iranians are almost as bad as American Christian fundies.
    16 year old girl hung. And not by Pat or Jerry... Wanna restate your comment, or just continue as a caricature of the far Left?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#12)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    John at Americablog is, I believe, hooked into the idea that publicity of these hangings is some sort of right-wing conspiracy to drum up liberal support for an invasion of Iran on humanitarian grounds. I say that not based on anything John said, but by the flavor of the comments left there and others that I have read in left Blogistan, including some of the disturbing comments left on the Ireland post. I, for one, think it is consistent and appropriate to denounce and expose injustice wherever it is being perpetrated, and by whomever it is being perpetrated.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Michael-Hate to nit-pick but we are talking law. You are correct, except if the woman is not married, which is likely in your example of a teenage girl. In that case, on top of the 80 lashes for slander, she gets another 100 for immoral behavior. Stoning is reserved for married women who can not get four male witnesses, or married women who get pregnant from the rape. Also, possibly a non sequitor, Sharia law is not Islamic law.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#14)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Wanna restate your comment, or just continue as a caricature of the far Left?
    No, I don't, Jim. On the other hand, if the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave were to stop electrocuting, gassing, shooting or injecting to death its own citizens, I might pay some mind to your hypocritical remarks.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#15)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    John M - Whatever else we do, we don't hang 16 year old girls because they were raped. Care to restate your comment or just look dumb?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    PPJ- We do blame them for bringing it on, especially if they are are poor and non-white. Most women, like those under Sharia law do not even file charges in America...wonder why?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#17)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    None of you get it at all do you? its the culture of the mideast, its a really old idea to murder your people for political and religion idea. hey didn't bush say he wanted to work with iran? you will see more of this kind of evil murderous\bloodthirsty ideal. the two are scapegoats and isn't that the ideals of bush and business?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#18)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    John M - Whatever else we do, we don't hang 16 year old girls because they were raped.
    more moral relativism from the king of such.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    These photos look too good, Iran exile group... hmm sounds familiar. H.R. 282 is still in the works, or has it passed? It certainly amounts to a massive Propaganda war... Philip Giraldi's piece in The American Conservative Mag...major buildup in Azerbaijan.... Rumsfield's recent compliants of Iran exporting explosives to Iraq.... Larry C Johnson's heads up on Iran's potential for "controlling vast oil resources that stretch from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean."... Gary Leuup's comment " I personally think there'll be an attack on Iran this year, but then I expected one in June or July."... Juan Cole's sobering view that war w/Iran is not going to happen ...."Arrogance it the neo-cons achilles heel", says it all, not too comforting..... the photos are most likely fake (I hope).

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#20)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    John M - Whatever else we do, we don't hang 16 year old girls because they were raped.
    more moral relativism from the king of such.
    I should think it'd be getting harder for Jim to be a moral relativist, but he always seems to manage.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Josh Marshall posts two tough talk articles on Iran. A rerun from our chimp in charge and a smackdown from Germany's Chancellor Schroeder. Mabye they can stop the Neo-Furher, this time.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#22)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    SD - Let me see. Iran hangs two gays, plus women for infidelity and John Mann says:
    ... these Iranians are almost as bad as American Christian fundies.
    And you talk to me about moral relativism? Huh? Do you even read the whole thread before you attack? Squeaky writes:
    Most women, like those under Sharia law do not even file charges in America...wonder why?
    The "blame the victim defense" works all to well in many cases, but when you compare US law to Sharia you go too far. Way too far.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    PPJ- you are blinded by the comforts of home.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#24)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    But PPJ you are the King we all bow to your never ending ability to spout moral relativism. in fact your picture should go next to the definition in the dictionary. See the difference is that you have used the tactic to excuse all sorts of things like torture, the killing of innocents in Iraq etc.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#25)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Not that PPJ needs defending (he's pretty good at defending himself), but I find it amazing that we, as liberals, have such a hard time condemning both the abomination that is Abu Ghraib and the abomination that is the theocratic state of Iran. You can argue that the Bush's Middle East policy and illegal war have made the problem worse, but you absolutely cannot legitimately argue that there is no problem.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Michael Ditto- Do you think the rest of the world should model itself on us? We may be the world's only superpower at the moment but we do not have any such position when it comes to morality.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#27)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Michael D - Sqeaky says it all. This country is always wrong in his eyes.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#28)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    "....but I find it amazing that we, as liberals, have such a hard time condemning both the abomination that is Abu Ghraib and the abomination that is the theocratic state of Iran."
    Absolutely. I thought that was the tie-in between John Mann's comment regarding fundamentalist christians & Iran as a theocratic state. But that's just my take - #3 of 10,000.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Hey, let's invade and bring back the Shah. They had discos then...it was so groovy over there...

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#31)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:19 PM EST
    Pardon me, but people being hanged for a homosexual act -- this is beyond politics. Here's a question: The Shias in Iraq are anxious to bring in Islamic law into the Iraqi constitution. Where do they stand on homosexuality? Will gays in Iraq also be killed? And what do the American occupiers think of that?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#32)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:19 PM EST
    Al writes:
    And what do the American occupiers think of that?
    I don't know, why don't you go ask them? Kitt - No, John was just making a snarky remark about the US and christians. Of course if you want to say that the Christian Right is the same morally, as the Moslem radicals, go ahead. You look so cool when you say such things. Power to the people and all that.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#33)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:19 PM EST
    Kitt - No, John was just making a snarky remark about the US and christians.
    Wrong - again. I was comparing theocracies. There is little to distinguish between the mullahs of Iran and the James Dobsons and Jerry Fallwells of the U.S., except for the way they dress. Oh, and the mullahs haven't invaded the U.S. in an effort to establish their particular style of government.
    Power to the people and all that.
    Golly, Jim - there may be hope for you yet.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#34)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:19 PM EST
    SD - Let me see. Iran hangs two gays, plus women for infidelity and John Mann says:
    ... these Iranians are almost as bad as American Christian fundies.
    When you're right, you're right, Jim. I should never have used the word "almost". I hope that addresses your concerns about my "moral relativism".

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#35)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:20 PM EST
    John M - The religious leaders in this country aren't validating elections amd establishing laws. Of course in your mind you think they do. Of course that doesn't make it true, but why let facts stand in front of a good hatred.

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:20 PM EST
    PPJ-Looks like your boy Welden got caught lying again. Looks like there is a serious spin machine at work; fortunately, in some cases, we just have to get toto to move the curtain a bit .

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#37)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:21 PM EST
    Squeaky - What does this have to with hanging gays in Iran?

    Re: Report: Iran Schedules Two More Gay Hangings (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:21 PM EST
    Coming soon to Iraq!

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