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The New American Taliban

Move over, John Walker Lindh. You no longer hold the title of "American Taliban." Daily Kos explains - it's because the American Radical Right has taken the title.

Is there any doubt that the American Taliban has more in common with our Islamic fundamentalist enemies? They're cut from the same cloth -- the belief that a system of secular rules and laws must be replaced with "God's laws".

And while the religions may be different, the core of them is not -- opposition to rival faiths, hostility to science, interference in people's private lives, control over women's bodies, an irrational belief in the supremacy of the male over female, militancy, anti-intellectualism and a rejection of logic, an unassailable belief in their own righrousness, and the deifying of certain unelectable, unaccountable individuals as "spokesmen for god", be it Pat Robertson or the Ayatollahs.

The American Taliban wants for the U.S. no less than what Iran has, and Iraq will soon have.

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    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#1)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Hear! Hear!

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#2)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    JM, if you really believe this, I look forward to hearing you say it the next time you're on national TV.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Oh, please, that is just so silly. Can't we be the new-KKK or the new-Nazi's or something? I vote the Left for the new-fainting-victorian-stereotype. -C

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Oh, go ahead and laugh all you want. That is, if you think Pat Robertson openly calling for us to assassinate the president of another country is funny. And he's not just some powerless, harmless wingnut. The White House consulted with him while picking a nominee for the Supreme Court. It's interesting. Our left-wing freakazoids get pushed to the margins. Heard from Al Sharpton lately? Even Michael Moore is getting the cold shoulder. (Yes, I know that some considered Howard Dean the "extreme left", but one can only do that by ignoring his entire record as governor.) But in the Republican party, they've taken over, and they're poisoning the whole country with their big-business, Big Brother, anti-science, anti-women ways. And people like Off-the-Cliff just passively support it all and think it's funny. Anyway, I prefer "Talibangelists" myself.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#5)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Nice try, Cliff. On a scale from 1 to 5, how likely do you think it is that the following people agree with Pat Robertson that Chavez should be assassinated? John Bolton. George Bush. The other George Bush. Dick Cheney. Donald Rumsfeld. Condoleeza Rice. Are you still having fun, Cliff?

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    I have been calling them that for 4 years and I have the web links to prove it.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#7)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Cliff, you don't really believe a true christian would call for assassination do you?

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#8)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    Sailor, i do believe that a true Christian would say that. PR is as true blue a xtian as any out there... At least in his own sect. HIS version of christianity proposes murder as a solution. Many others do not. Neither are right, and neither are wrong. Just different. Where's Jim?

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    The semi literate KOZ is an idiot and not worth the time that it takes to puruse his missives. Although I still go there to remind me why I do not stand on his side of the aisle. I used to go to the Democractic Underground but I found them so unhinged I moved to the Daily Kos. Then on someone's advice I went to Juan Cole's blog but then Stephan Vincent's wife kind of b*tch slapped the agorophobic professor's atitutudes and he has no valid reply. So now I'm down to TL for my Left-wing opinion but unfortunatly the commenters here have taken on the same attitude as those at the DU. Oh, and talking points suck by the way but especially when they are delivered word for word from the source. Duh. All in all it is rather a depressing display for the Left. I'm sure invective will follow this post.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Uhhh, Johnny, I directed that question to cliff and while I most always disagree with him, I consider him to be a member of the 'loyal opposition.' I am ordained, I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I think that cliff does also. And I think cliff was probably making light of this situation.
    HIS version of christianity proposes murder as a solution. Many others do not. Neither are right, and neither are wrong.
    Once again, Jesus never preached murder for any reason. I believe anyone who calls for murder is, by definition, not a christian. Maybe cliff believes differently, but I think he was being defensive and facetious and wouldn't actually endorse pat robertson's POV.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    jimcee, be careful what you wish for;-) One can peruse many 'left' sites, but commenting is voluntary. When you do, you use terms like: "semi literate" "unhinged" "b*tch slapped" "agorophobic professor" "talking points suck" Doesn't exactly leave any room for dialogue, eh? OTOH, since you seem to only spew statements designed to elicit attention; maybe your mom didn't give you enough, or maybe your uncle bob gave you too much;-)

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#12)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    jimcee, Well if Michael Moore and Moveon get to be the bogeymen of the Right, why can't we have Fred Phelps? Explain to me how he is better than the Taliban, celebrating the brutal murder of Matthew Shepherd and recently proclaiming that Casey Sheehan died because of gay people. Although actually, that makes him closer to a Nazi but with gays instead of jews. Whatever. I guess that's all pretty tame compared to Bowling for Columbine...

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Oh, please, while I do not think that looney professor dude Ward Churchill really represents the majority of the left in this country, I am somewhat surprised to see that people 'round here think Pat Robertson represents the conservatives of this country. He hardly represents the evangelicals I know. And if you think that the US is resembling the Taliban-controlled Afganistan in anyway, then, well, talking is over-rated, isn't it? I encourage you to take up large posters and learn to use stilts. -C

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    And if you think that the US is resembling the Taliban-blah blah
    The US is resembling it more with each passing day. Just wait til Bush's revamping of the Supreme Court is complete.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#16)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Whoa! I guess it was 'uncle bob';-)
    I encourage you to take up large posters and learn to use stilts. -C
    Can't we just learn to juggle like you do?

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Jimcee- you have no idea how stupid you sound. Cole, at least had the character to express condolences for Vincent and respected his willingness to do research in Iraq, even when chicken hawks like jonah goldberg attacked him in praise of Vincent. I have not heard his wife slam Cole, but I can not imagine it was too compelling, not worth a reply. I knew Vincent and met his wife ages ago. He was big on ego and small on knowledge. A good writer but not too deep. I bet you would have gotten on well with him.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#18)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Oh, please, while I do not think that looney professor dude Ward Churchill really represents the majority of the left in this country, I am somewhat surprised to see that people 'round here think Pat Robertson represents the conservatives of this country. He hardly represents the evangelicals I know.
    I didn't know Ward Churchill had his own television network. Oh, that's right, he doesn't. I didn't know Ward Churchill once ran for president. Oh, that's right, he didn't. I didn't know Ward Churchill had a business relationship with Charles Taylor, ex-dictator of Liberia. Oh, that's right... Cliff, why on earth did you even bring up Ward Churchill in this discussion? What the hell does he have to do with this????

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    I guess "Ward Churchill" is the new replacement for "Bill Clinton" for the wingnuts. It's about time!

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#20)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    Cliff, I am somewhat surprised to see that people 'round here think Pat Robertson represents the conservatives of this country. Then why the hell do so many of them watch his show?

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    jimcee and cliff have, in jimcee's own incredibly literate and thoughtful phrase, have been b*%ch slapped by the commenters here. what a couple of rubes.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    jimcee makes me laugh at how self-righteous he is by saying that he hates talking points, but in all of his previous comments he might have as well have gone to Ken Mehlman for exactly what to say in response to the assertion that the religious right is now in control of the majority political party in Wash., D.C. and are comparable to the Taliban in it's early stages. Funny guy, that jimcee.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:41 PM EST
    jimcee- Juan Cole has posted a response to the criticism Vincent's widow leveled against him here. Hate to suggest that you lower yourself to read something "semi-literate" but give it a go.

    Re: The New American Taliban (none / 0) (#24)
    by jackl2400 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:41 PM EST
    The taliban would have been proud of the Utah rave bust, don't ya think?