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Sunday: Open Thread

In a million years, I wouldn't have thought that a 9 month old computer would have a hard drive failure. But, my Dell desktop, which I love, did just that early this morning. After hours of trying to figure out the problem with Dell Tech support, being told to give up, they'll have a tech come over with a new hard drive covered by warranty next week, I had to face the issue of lost data - mostly Quicken stuff and billing - which is pretty critical. Not to mention, all my saved passwords to news sites, subscription services and software programs are gone. There's no solution, until I can bring the old, corrupted hard drive (a Maxtor) with its "code 7 failure" to a data recovery service next week, and decide whether it's worth the $500 to$1,000. they will charge to try and recover the old files.

In the meantime, I've hooked up the the Sony desktop that I used before the Dell, but it has not been updated in 9 months, so it's been many more hours updating Windows and virus and other software - and I have none of my current files.

Bottom line: I haven't felt like blogging, particularly since there's nothing in the news besides FEMA and Judge Roberts, both of which I'm kind of OD'd on... so feel free to take over.

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    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Linkmeister on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Dunno if you subscribe to David Pogue's email letter from the Circuits section of the NYT, but he just had the same problem with a Dell laptop. He used someone called DriveSavers (and of course got it done free, since he's a reviewer). Here's part of what he said as a review of their service:
    (Non-rush jobs range from $500 to $2,700, depending on how much surgery DriveSavers must do. If they can't recover anything at all that's useful to you, you pay $200 for the wild goose chase. For Hurricane Katrina victims, the $200 fee is waived, and recovery services are one-third off.)
    That's a chunk of money, but as he also says, if you compare it to emergency surgery (which he thinks it can be), it's not out of the question.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Thanks for the info. But I found this site that's in the Denver area that says if they can't recover anything, there's no charge.
    We are proud to provide you with a 100% guarantee. That means, if we cannot recover your data, you will not be charged.
    Either way, without the billing info, which is backed up on the hard drive, it's quite a bit of lost income - and quite a few clients that will be getting a free few months of legal work unless I can reconstruct the billings from the paper files, which would take days. And then, of course, there still won't be charges for phone calls, reviewing documents, and anything I didn't have written down in my palm pilot. Happily, that still syncs with the Sony. Just another reason to use Time Reporter on your handheld palm pilot...

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Beware of negotiating drive recovery service websites at 12:30 in the morning. Unless you're a habitual nightowl like myself.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    I am definitely a night-owl, always have been. But I don't call late at night, I just research during that time. Good point, thanks.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Another late, but obviously moot point: Is it possible to consider backup files in the future?

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by manish on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Hey TL..that bites..sorry to hear. Sounds like you don't have much choice but to try and recover the data. Best of luck!

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    I'd install a second hard drive and mirror your data files to the second disk. Or install two additional hard drives and use RAID to stripe the data. Then, if any single disk fails, you just replace it and you don't lose any data. Hard disks are dirt cheap these days. Redundancy is often the cheapest and fastest method of daily backup. Of course you should still back your important stuff up to CD or DVD whenever you can, and store it off site. Three hard disks or not, your data is toast if your house floods or burns down.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    Oh man I just bought a Dell two months ago! I've started entering old files to make access to them easier than flipping through manilas. I'll keep making backups as I go.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    It happens always back up, i have all 3 system up and running.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Things my father taught me: When I had my first computer, with its extensive 4k of ram, and a tape recorder to save programs on, he told me "always backup your data." Back in those days, most programs were entered by hand. One of those great pieces of advice. I've saved myself mucho pain by following it.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    If the hard drive powers up and spins at all you might be able to recover your files yourself. There are recovery programs that will run from a floppy drive that you can use to scan the drive and save the files out to another drive. They are small programs: I can email you one of them if you like. If you know someone technically capable, or can do it yourself, you can plug the drive into your Sony machine, scan it and copy recovered files to the good drive in that machine.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    I am just like you I have an old computer and I don't have it backed up. I think is a Friendship thing. I tend the relate to my computer in human terms. You know, it's always been there for me over the years. Why should I insult it with backup? It's like saying to my Mom, I can't rely on and trust her. Well thats how I feel. Am I alone? I know, I know it's only a machine. Watch what you say, my Dell is listening.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    You also might want to back up to an online backup service as well just to be on the safe side. It might be worth it given the potential for lost income.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    I read an interesting article by a liberal blogger concerning the policies on TalkLeft - thought I'd share it. Matter of fact that whole site is interesting.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    I'm looking hard at my bank account but am poised to take the plunge and buy an Apple Powerbook as my primary computer...I've grown to hate the cheap Winblows Dells that my workplace and most corporations use simply because they're cheap. Sorry for your timekeeping problems, Jeraylnn...but perhaps it is better to "do your time" in a way that can be reconstructed if neccessary....either on your Palm (I use a freeware prog called Timesheet 1.53) so that it is backed up on your computer, or even the old fashioned way, on paper sheets. I do find that when I "lose" my timesheets, though, the time is pretty easy to reconstruct these days by going through my Palm calendar for meetings/conferences, telephone log on our VOIP system, and timestamps on e-mail and wp docs I've created.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Last Night in Little Rock on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Laptops last me two years, if I'm lucky. I quit buying laptops off the Internet after my last Gateway, which Gateway fixed twice, had a complete motherboard melt down that was not their fault. My laptop travels back and forth to work and everywhere I go, but I fly 100k miles a year, and go to Africa four times a year. In Africa, I'm in a third world country, and the power fluctuations literally burned out the motherboard. It was covered by the warranty (look at the power pack: most laptops can run on 220v, too), but they obviously could not until after I got back. Finally, I opted for a high-end laptop for the primary reason that the seller assured that it had a tougher motherboard and hard drive, and they provided all the warranty service locally. They had all major parts on hand. It cost me only a little more than a comparable machine via the Internet, but the seller, also my office IT group, vowed immediate service since it was in the contract with the company they resold for. As for backups, everytime I turn on my machine in the office, it syncs up with the server, and all the new files on my laptop are added to the server. I back up all word processing files every two weeks on a DVD-RW at home as well. The back up goes to Africa with me. This high tech back up costs money, and it needs another computer. But, I had the ultimate hard drive crash in 1990 that lost, among many other things, the entire text of a nearly finished book. The personal frustration level was, as expected, phenomenal. Backup systems then were primative, and the backup did not work, it turned out, because it was a bootlegged copy. I had a hard copy of everything in the book, and it had to be scanned in. OCR sucked back then. Accuracy was not its strong suit. I paid $12,000 in 1990 dollars to have the OCR'ed stuff proofread. A crushing blow.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    your first mistake was buying a dell. overpriced pieces of crap, masquerading as pc's. your second mistake was not daily backing up your files on cd/dvd. better yet, use a 1gb usb flash memory stick. you pull it out, put it in your pocket, and go merrily on your way. your third mistake was leaving any case related files on the hd. since it's in a machine connected to the net, it's a security risk, period. that would include a mirrored hd. and please, spare me the hoo haa about firewalls, blah, blah, blah. i'm sure DoD and all the credit card companies that have recently had data hacked had much better security than any of you. it didn't help. keep it off the hd. my advice: trash the dell, or use at as a door stop, they're wonderful for that. build your own machine. you'll get a better one, for less than you paid dell for their piece of crapo zappo. if you need help, e-mail me.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    My HP Pavilion bought in June - for my kids' surviving one more year of school - has had 2 major failures. I was able to fix both over the phone with HP. They keep blaming us, but I've been in this business too long to fall for that one. I expect it to fail right about when the warranty ends.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Grad student, you're funny. The first two comments on the post you linked to have been deleted, apparently in the spirit of unfettered discussion. Many of the leading conservative blogs (Power Line, Michele Malkin, and Andrew Sullivan for instance) don't allow comments at all.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Ditto, I think you missed the point. Nobody objects to deletion of comments according to a stated policy - it's when false reasons are given for editing content that the hypocrisy meter starts to click. I've seen it here several times; Merritt deletes/edits comments she really dislikes and then dishonestly claims that they violated her 'policy'. Judging from the story in that article I'm not the only one.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    grad-maybe 'winds of change' is a better place for you to participate than the TL with its "silly comments policy". They claim to love trolls like you as it enriches their quest for "honest argument and debate". Go for it, you won't be missed by me. They will love you, especially if you start off by telling them that TL 'censored' you to three posts a day, because Jeralyn hates free speech. Bye Bye

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Actually, nothing shows the merits of "conservative thought" more than an totally unedited blog. I am specifically referring to one of the early Katrina threads where some anon poster referred to the vicitims as "f-ing n-ggers".

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    grad student, for the most part, the posts that tend to get deleted and, more importantly, the posters that get limited, tend to be those that add nothing substantive to the discussion at hand. let's say, as an example, the thread is about a case involving the 4th amendment. people, pro and con, are posting their comments, relative to the issue at hand. suddenly, one starts blathering about how spendidly the war in iraq is going. while the poster's opinion may be truly heartfelt, clearly it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. this poster continues to opine about non-relavent items. after having been asked, repeatedly, to stick to the issue, and repeatedly ignoring that reasonable request, the posts are deleted. further, the poster is limited to 4 a day. all things considered, that is mild by comparison to some of the, shall we say, less liberal sites. freedom of speech technically isn't an issue here, it's a private site, not a publicly owned one. ms. merritt and i have had our differences of opinion, and probably always will, it's the nature of the beast. that said, it's still her nickel.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    Grad students' hypocrisy meter isn't really as important as his racism and support for non-scientific theories. The middle ages were so long ago, eh, grad? That mean, mean Merritt, giving you four posts a day. You're wasting them WHINING. Is grad short for Ingrate?

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    I have a nifty little program that resides on a usb disk that keeps all my passwords (encrypted). Being on a flash disk, the program is portable and I can use it on any computer that has a usb outlet. I recently lost a computer and the program saved me a lot of headaches. It's at roboform.com You want the portable version.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    TL, can you boot from the Windows disk? You might have a bad RAM chip that is preventing the HD from booting. You can remove the chips one at a time and see if the comp boots. If your new and old comp have the same OS and HD type you might be able to just plug in the Maxtor to the ribbon cable in your old comp and access the data that way. Last night in Little Rock, I've had 3 Mac laptops, they all lasted for years until I finally replaced them due to obsolescence. I'm currently working on a G3 iBook that I bought refurbished for $450.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    The Dell boots, the windows screen comes up, and then it goes blue screen with the error message: "Unmountable_Boot_Volume" "Stop: 0x000000ED" When I run the hard drive diagnostics, all tests pass except the confidence test and the read test. The error there is "EF00:0244, uncorrectable data error or media is write protected." Ultimate result of tests is "fail" and "return code:7." Thanks for all your suggestions. Grad student, get lost, would you?

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    TL-If and when you move to your mac as a primary computer, you can 'clone' your HD to an external firewire drive. If your main drive goes you have a bootable clone with your whole system and all your docs instantly available (the docs available as long as you had regularly backed them up). Carbon Copy Cloner is free (donations requested) and tribackup (Backup software) is around $50. Once you have your system cloned there are many other backup programs to do the daily backup, I just happen to like tribackup. If you think this would be useful let me know and I can walk you through the steps although there are pretty easy and self explanatory at Bombich's site (CCC). Alas, none of this is relevant to your current horrorshow. I hope you get everything back at minimal expense and quickly. What a drag.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    TL: Sorry for the dead Dell. I love Dell after HP after HP died prematurely on me. Dell seems to hold up better. For future note to self, try getting an external USB harddrive to use as a back up. Every few weks just remember to copy your billing files over to it. They are fairly cheap and you can set them up to access through a wireless network. (Indeed, someone told me you can set them up to back up from your laptop automatically, but, it is beyond my abilities). Good luck and glad to see Dell seems to be standing (at least for the most part) behind their products. - k

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    It sounds like you have a bad sector(s.) The disk might still be able to be read, just not booted from. If you can't install it in your old PC, it might be worth the investment to buy a HD Enclosure. I got one for $17 (+$10 shipping;-). It's generally only a couple of screws and a ribbon cable to remove/install a HD. After installing in a HD Enclosure it acts as a USB external drive. This might be the HDE you need. Then software, such as File Scavenger might be able to recover the files.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    In addition to the many comments here, I've gotten many very helpful e-mails from several TL readers, thanks to all of you. TL webmaster Mike Ditto is coming over in a few hours to see what he can do about recovering stuff of the old hard drive - but the old, trusty Sony is now working fine so I'll be back blogging at normal pace by tomorrow.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Any piece of equipment will eventually fail and annoy you when it does. RAID is nice because you can notice most common problems before your data is destroyed. It doesn't help for catastrophic failures like a fire destroying your entire system. Personally, I have a few directories on my work system designated to autmatically compress and back up to a company server over the network. Then the IT guys take care of backing up the the server itself. Added bonus, it makes my files available when I work from home (with the usual security caveats about accessing internal docs over the Internet).

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Looks like things are not going too well in Baghdad. An observer in Iraq writing to Juan Cole:
    The situation has deteriorated in Baghdad dramatically today. Five neighborhoods (hay) in Baghdad are controlled by insurgents, and they are Amiraya, Ghazilya, Shurta, Yarmouk and Doura. It is very bad....Masked gunmen with AKs and other weapons are roaming these areas, announcing that people should stay home....and even those who need food or provisions are warned not to go out.... In the meantime, the embassy people act as if nothing in Baghdad is wrong...


    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Grad student, get lost, would you? You really don't handle criticism well do you. Is that really the best you can muster? No worries, just edit my post, claim I violated your policy, and ban me. Problem solved! On the other hand you could admit there has been a lot of hypocrisy in the reasons you offer for banning/limiting people. But wait..that would imply that there are objective standards for honest vs. hypocritical conduct....which would be conservative.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    grad student, I have posted here a while and haven't seen any dishonesty in JL's application of her comments policy. If you think her dishonest, why post here in the first place?

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    ah, the justly feared "blue screen o' death!" i know it, horatio. try this, if you haven't already: kill all power to the machine, unplug it if the power supply doesn't have a cutoff switch. let it sit, then power it back up. it's worked for me a few times already. don't even ask what causes it, no one knows. another one of those computer mysteries i'm afraid.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Grad Student, As a conservative, evangelical poster here who has been put on 4 posts a day at times (and taken off) - I will tell you the solution is simple: Grace. If you are going to go head to head here you must show grace. TL has respected my views as long as I have shown respect for those that I argue against; and respect the nature of the thread (And, limited the number of my "brilliant" posts). All reasonable - and she and I worked out our issues as they came (because we are both reasonable) If you wish a free interchange of ideas - then that is required anyway. Other than the humor of the old SNL skits, the "Jane, you ignorant slut" form of discussion is useless and demeaning to both sides of the argument. Of course, there are folks from the Left allowed that form of discussion (and I would say it is tolerated better than it is from those on the right); but I view that as God's way to teach me patience and love. TL I haven't gotten around much lately {the left does give me a headache at times) but I appreciate the grace you have shown me in the past. You have an excellant site; and attract some very good posters. And you are still in my link list even if you make an occasional mistake. Good luck with hardware hell

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by MikeDitto on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Eh... I must hang my head in shame... I was unable to resurrect the TL hard disk with any of the tools at my disposal. But we did get a new DVD writer installed to make backups easier.

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Grad, I followed your links, and ended up at Pattricio's site. What I thought was a very unfair take on TL, so I posted a comment. It was bounced for being insulting! I guess because I suggested sour grapes on his part. You righties are so funny sometimes!

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    BTW- Grad student at Oral Roberts U. ?

    Re: Sunday: Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM EST
    Michael and JM, That sucks. Maybe you got cheered up by CSPAN's showing of a debate moderated by Amy Goodman between George Galloway and Chris Hitchens. It was a great. And your Broncos beat my Chargers.