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Kerry on The Katrina Administration

by TChris

Raw Story has an advance copy of a speech that John Kerry will deliver today at Brown University. If only he had been this forcefully critical of President Bush during his campaign, he might be president today.

I know the President went on national television last week and accepted responsibility for Washington's poor response to Katrina. That's admirable. And it's a first. As they say, the first step towards recovery is to get out of denial. But don't hold your breath hoping acceptance of responsibility will become a habit for this administration. On the other hand, if they are up to another "accountability moment" they ought to start by admitting one or two of the countless mistakes in conceiving, "selling", planning and executing their war of choice in Iraq.

This is about the broader pattern of incompetence and negligence that Katrina exposed, and beyond that, a truly systemic effort to distort and disable the people's government, and devote it instead to the interests of the privileged and the powerful. It is about the betrayal of trust and abuse of power. And in all the often horrible and sometimes ennobling sights and sounds we've all witnessed over the last two weeks, there's another sound just under the surface: the steady clucking of Administration chickens coming home to roost.

The administration is recycling all their failed policies and shipping them to Louisiana. After four years of ideological excess, these Washington Republicans have a bad hangover -- and they can't think of anything to offer the Gulf Coast but the hair of the dog that bit them.

And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we're dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

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    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    And yet he offers absolutely nothing in terms of ideas for a solution, which pretty much characterized his entire campaign.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    I've been gone for a couple of weeks...but I'm sure most everyone on here was just as critical with the Dem Mayor & Gov... yes? After all, they are the first line of defense... yes?

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#3)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    well...kerry may have offerred ideas on the solution, but nobody could listen to him b/c he's so boring to listen to. he just put everyone to sleep with his monotone uninteresting voice. blah.. blah.. blah... blaaah...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#4)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    and BB... they do deserve some of the blame, but not as much as brown, who didnt do much of anything right and bush who put fema under nation security making it an even more complicated bureaucracy and nearly impossible to get things done.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    Is this the same John Kerry who ran for president? Or should we be checking our basements for pods?

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    Maybe Kerry ought to take a step toward recovering from his election concession while voters were still standing in line. He ought to lose himself somewhere.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Hwalsh writes:
    while voters were still standing in line.
    Huh? Can you tell us where? peacrevol - Can you tell us what the Feds didn't do right? Do you understand that the Feds can't act until the Mayor asks the Governor who then asks the Feds? Can you tell us why Bush had to call Blanco and, in her own words, implored her to evacuate? Perhaps you need to understand this:
    The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne." For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.
    Or this:
    "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. "The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network. "You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region. "No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."
    Link

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Ah, Republicans. Michael Ditto flails around accusing Kerry of "offering absolutely nothing in terms of ideas for a solution" ...which shows that, just as Republicans did while Kerry was campaigning for President, Michael Ditto is staring relentlessly at nothing at all and refusing to look even at the whole speech (which is chock-full of ideas) because it's necessary to believe that, no matter how bad Bush is, Kerry would have been worse. (And to believe that, you really have to be focussed on ignoring everything Kerry says and does, since everything he says and does proves that he would have been a far better choice than Bush.) And BB goes for the solution of throwing all the blame on the Democrats. Because when Republican government fails, blame Democrats! It's the Republican way. Never take responsibility for failure when you can blame a Democrat. And JimakaPPJ just repeats someone else's lies, as usual.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    PPJ...spewing the same lame crap ad nauseaum:
    The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented.
    Well why didn't the federal government make the obvious realization that New Orleans was a totally different case than the ones preceding it from the myriads of well-known warnings beforehand AND PREPARE FOR IT IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO THIS DISASTER? And why did it take them until about Day 3 of the event before they realized that? And why did it take news reporters interviewing them to force that realization upon them? BTW...Your link don't work PPJ...but that's a GOOD THING.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    John Kerry is a real dud and he isn't getting any better. What surprises me is that he and many other Dem prez hopefuls seem to be running against a lame duck instead. Seems rather futile and a waste of resources. Just like Al Gore they are full of condenscention and sarcasism but are really reticent to tell anyone what their plan is in detail. Overall Kerry doesn't stand a chance against the Clinton juggernaut so why is he wasting his time with such petty myopic ankle-biting? Me? I'd be out wind-surfing or biking instead. IMHO there does need to be improvments in the Federal response time to all major disasters. It would also be easier to expedite the response if the local gov'ts have thier sh*t together and in this case they didn't. To assign blame, political or otherwise, is a wastful exercise unless one believes futility is the way to go. Solutions are much better than pointless whining but the latter is much easier to do.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Here's the next disaster waiting to happen. Watch it get ignored until too late.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    JC-Couldn't have said it better myself about your comment.
    To assign blame, political or otherwise, is a wastful exercise unless one believes futility is the way to go.


    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    jimcee...why is it you can't follow your own advice on whining vs. solutions?

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#14)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    As Kerry's newfound style shows, there is no need for anything other than stylistic changes. If Dems really wanna make a point, they'll run Kerry again, and teach the Republicans a lesson they'll never forget. [Um, unless it was actually Dem policies that were rejected, in which case the above will backfire on you.]

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#15)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Come on guys, go easy on PPJ. You have to understand, he gets paid by the word. Insults count for triple word score. A man's gotta make a living.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Ernie, No whining here. I think that things are getting done in the Gulf coast because people are willing it to be done. It is nothing more than human nature. Most people are positive and resilient and will do OK without much Gov't help. My solution to help the area is to be positive, give when you can, gather as a community and help your neighbor. It is also tempered by my belief that there should be no rebuilding where we know this will eventually happen again, whether it is Waveland MS or NOLA. People like you would perish quickly in a disaster because you want failure and would be willing to embrace it with your life. Or wimper oaths against those that allowed you to make stupid decisions in the first place. In otherwords Darwinistically pathetic.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Most people are positive and resilient and will do OK without much Gov't help.
    Except the ones that drowned.
    People like you would perish quickly in a disaster because you want failure and would be willing to embrace it with your life.
    Not quite. I have a car and am not stuck in a hospital or old folks home.
    Or wimper oaths against those that allowed you to make stupid decisions in the first place.
    Stupid decison: being poor/old and/or sick.
    In otherwords Darwinistically pathetic.
    Survival of the fittest/wealthiest. Social Darwinism, the law of the jungle...the defining law of U.S. society now exposed so graphically to the world. If only the n*ggers could have been born dogs in an upper class household, huh? You're still afraid of broaching the real problems here, much less talking about solutions to them. Why is that?

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Ernie - As the quote noted, we can't just yet, beam you up. So no matter how much anyone may wish, it still takes X amount of time to do Y things. Now I know you will find that hard to believe, but trust me on that. I didn't go to journalism school. BTW Try this link. As for why the federals didn't prepare for the levees to break, perhaps it is because they didn't live in NO. Perhaps it is the responsibility of the Mayor of NO and not Mrs. Smith of Rantoul, Il to worry about such things. As for your three days nonsense, please try and remember the Coast Guard was picking people up the next morning, and the Red Cross was trying to go in on Monday, only to be kept out by the state of LA. I mean Earnie, please. Too much is known about these things. You can't make things up and expect people to do anything except laugh at you.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    al - Beg for your own mercy, but really, insults? That post insulted someone? How? By telling the truth? Ernie - And if you had been, it would have been the responsibility of the owner to get you out. That's what they are paid to do. Take care of you. And best I can tell, you would need it.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#21)
    by chupetin on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Try this article. Kinda gives you a sense of deja vu. My favorite part
    But Clinton and Witt demonstrated an understanding of the virtues of the patronage system. The high number of political appointees allowed the new administration to free itself of the incompetents and replace them with talented new people. Clinton agreed to let Witt interview all potential appointees to ensure that they were qualified for the jobs. As a result, the resumes of the team they assembled are formidable. Elaine McReynolds, head of the Federal Insurance Administration served as the insurance commissioner of Tennessee for over seven years. Richard Moore, a former state legislator from Massachusetts, was appointed to help make state and local governments better prepared for disasters. Carrye Brown, head of the Fire Administration, had worked on Capitol Hill for 18 years where she was a specialist in disaster and fire legislation.


    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    JimakaPPJ: That post insulted someone? How? By telling the truth? No, it certainly didn't do that, Jim.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#23)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    PPJ asks
    Can you tell us what the Feds didn't do right?
    link
    "Governments at all levels failed," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine.
    Brown's memo told employees that among their duties, they would be expected to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public."
    link They started asking for help on Tuesday. Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. link And this is probably one of the worst screw-ups by the feds. Also, in my opinion, Bush screwed up by making it a more complicated process to ask for help once a nat'l disaster has been declared when he put FEMA under nat'l defense.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Jesurgislac.. And BB goes for the solution of throwing all the blame on the Democrats. Because when Republican government fails, blame Democrats! DUDE.... unlike you libs... I actually blame who is at fault. Both the Mayor and the Gov f-ed up big time. The fact that they are both Dems is really not the issue. People have got to quit thinking that the Feds are gonna wipe their bottom for them all the time. The Feds come in last...AFTER the city & state ask for their help. Both the city & state Governments failed misably and were very quick to point their fingers (along with all the libs) at the Feds... It aint right and all the free thinking rational people in this country know it.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    J Man - So you believe the Feds have matter transmitters that can beam you up? Okay. peacrevol - So he waited two hours, and gave them two days. The Coast Guard was rescuing people the next morning. And, since no one knew which way the hurricane would travel, would you have sent them in on I55, I10, or exactly how? And remember. The hurricane did a lot of damage miles and miles away from NO. How much heavy equipment could be moved? How many bridges were out? And since electricity was out, how would they get gas and diesel fuel from non-working pumps. Portable generators, or bring what you need? How many trees were down? Were strategic exist blocked? Electric power lines? Were they live, or off? If off, when would they come back on? I mean there are few questions to ask, and: "Beam me up Scotty" isn't an option. As for the Mayor, he is the one who didn't call for a mandatory evacuation until mid morning Sunday, 8/28, less than 24 hours before the hurricane hit. He is the one who didn't use all available transport - remember the busses - to get the people out. And, he complains? And he is the one who sent people to the Superdome without adequate food, water and police protection. And he complains? How much smaller the problem would have been had be merely stocked the dome properly. Hell, he evidently didn’t even know how to order groceries. BTW – Your Tribune link requires a registration, so I have no way of knowing what you are trying to prove. All in all you appear to want to just attack with little consideration for practical matters. You also seem to have a misunderstanding of how the command and control system works. Let me explain. It goes – Mayor, Governor and then Feds (President). And, of course, you ignored my comment regarding the voters in line, which means that it was just a rant with no support. Now, if you want to say that all three levels screwed up some, I’ll buy that. But you know, if I had been Mayor of NO, I would have been raising so much Cain 20 years ago over the levees that they would have been fixed. After all, isn’t that what a mayor should do? Instead it appears that they were waiting for Aunt Sophie in Peoria to do their job for’em.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    BB: I actually blame who is at fault. Hee! Unless, of course, the people who are at fault are Republican, and in particular, when the people who are at fault are Bush, and Bush's political appointees in FEMA who - demonstrably - f-ed up big time. But, no, you want to blame Democrats. Go ahead: just don't try to claim you're laying blame on the people at fault, when you're carefully not looking at the people at fault... FEMA, and the Bush administration who gutted FEMA. JimakaPPJ: Wouldn't it be simpler, rather than posting long-refuted lies and then posting long defensive comments about your lies, just to avoid telling lies?

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM EST
    Too much is known about these things. You can't make things up and expect people to do anything except laugh at you.
    Sound advice, PPJ. If only you would follow it. Bush Job Rating at ALL-Time Low Well it seems the American people know where the responsibility belongs, even if you don't.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM EST
    J-Man - Rather than making a personal attack, why don't you prove that they are not true? Too much trouble, eh? Much easier just to rant and claim, claim and rant. Of course that isn't working like it used to well anymore. Ernie - News Flash! Bush isn't running.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#29)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM EST
    Jim, The voters in line thing was HWalsh, dont know what he was talking about so I cant help you out there. Also, I have said that everybody was to blame for this fiasco, including the gov and mayor. As for the thing about fuel, the USS Bataan had thousands of gallons of fuel and was turned away by FEMA.
    Your Tribune link requires a registration, so I have no way of knowing what you are trying to prove.
    my bad...thought you could get to it. It was about the USS Bataan being right there in the Gulf right after the hurricane hit and FEMA turned down help from them. The article was written on Sept. 4. Here's an excerpt: But now the Bataan's hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty. A good share of its 1,200 sailors could also go ashore to help with the relief effort, but they haven't been asked. The Bataan has been in the stricken region the longest of any military unit, but federal authorities have yet to fully utilize the ship. Captain ready, waiting "Could we do more?" said Capt. Nora Tyson, commander of the Bataan. "Sure. I've got sailors who could be on the beach plucking through garbage or distributing water and food and stuff. But I can't force myself on people. "We're doing everything we can to contribute right now, and we're ready. If someone says you need to take on people, we're ready. If they say hospitals on the beach can't handle it ... if they need to send the overflow out here, we're ready. We've got lots of room."

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM EST
    Jesurgislac... I said...."Both the Mayor and the Gov f-ed up big time. The fact that they are both Dems is really not the issue". But like most libs... you read (& understand) only what you want to. I am not playing the party blame game! The FACTS are....The Mayor (whatever the party) is responsible for the city and the Gov (whatever the party) is responsible for the state. DO you need me to explain that better? You say..." But, no, you want to blame Democrats".... LOL Let me say again (and try to read it this time).. I balme who is actually at fault. You can go on & on about Fema but the fact is things were very screwed up by the locals long before Fema got involved!

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM EST
    "I know the President went on national television last week" The actually-elected president was giving a speech at Brown. Kerry won Ohio in 2004, and we all know it, charley.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:07 PM EST
    BB: The FACTS are.... ...that FEMA is responsible "to lead the effort to prepare the nation for all hazards and effectively manage federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident." Now, when a city is destroyed, and a large part of that's city's state is damaged - and this is a known, probable disaster - it's FEMA's responsibility to "lead the effort to prepare the nation"; and to "effectively manage federal response and recovery efforts". Now, for all Bush's "Brownie. you're doing a heck of a job" comments, it's fairly obvious to anyone not a party loyalist that FEMA f-ed up, and that this is the responsibility of the President and his administration who ensured there was nobody in charge at FEMA but political appointees with little experience at doing anything in connection with disaster management. But you keep right on criticizing the Democrats, honey.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:07 PM EST
    BooBear, I know I want to be behind the fan when sh*t is applied to it. I'm sure I wouldn't want to be in front of it! Stand on either side of the sh*t-spewing fan you choose its a free country. I do suggest behind the fan as the better position. ;)

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:07 PM EST
    PPJ:
    News Flash! Bush isn't running.
    Well there you have it...Bush is absolved of all responsibility for the rest of his term.

    Re: Kerry on The Katrina Administration (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Jesurgislac... But you keep right on criticizing the Democrats, honey. OK..first of all...I'm not your "honey"...Second...as I have already said twice....(maybe 3 is the charm?)I'm not playing the party blame game. Let's try (I know it might be hard for you) to forget parties for a second. The FACTS are... The Mayor had tons of time (56 hours at least) to get the people out. But he 'chose' not to. (Do I need to include the pic of hundreds of school busses under water that could have been used?) The Facts are ... The Gov had tons of money (Both from Clinton & Bush) to beef up the levees (that were well known to be inadequate) but chose instead to spend the money on tourism/casinos. Did FEMA f-up? Sure... but to lay ALL the blame at their feet when much of this disaster could have been avoided had the people "in charge" done their jobs is ludicrous. But then again, I know you libs just love to point fingers... don't you? So instead of claiming I'm blaming the Dems...why don't you admit your just (like the rest of the libs) wanting to blame GW for everything that goes wrong...humm?