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GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Relief

by Last Night in Little Rock

The NY Times today has an article about what the Paleo-Cons in Congress want to cut to finance Katrina relief. But, instead of eliminating current pork barrel spending, like the $250M bridge in Alaska to serve 80 people, PBS is a target:

The list also proposed eliminating the Moon-Mars initiative that NASA announced on Monday, for $44 billion in savings; ending support for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, $4 billion; cutting taxpayer payments for the national political conventions and the presidential election campaign fund, $600 million; and charging federal employees for parking, $1.54 billion.

"What House conservatives will demonstrate through Operation Offset is that there is more than enough room in the federal budget to provide for the needs of the families affected by Katrina without raising taxes," said a House Republican aide who is working with lawmakers on the proposals and who insisted on anonymity because the package would not be made public until Wednesday.

The suggestions are certain to draw serious opposition from other lawmakers who consider those programs essential, illustrating the difficulty faced by the majority Republicans in finding acceptable ways to offset the hurricane costs.

It makes good sense to eliminate the Mars project, unless it can be completed in time to send the Administration on the trip in the next two months. But what about the bridge to nowhere? Halliburton or Bechtel must have the latter but are not interested in the former. That is the only rationale that makes sense anymore.

While we are selling T-Bills to the rest of the world to spend like there is no tomorrow on anything and everything (is the Rapture coming?), have we put our entire economy at risk of having the loans called?

The U.S. Government, a wholly owned subsidiary of China.

And so it goes....

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    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#1)
    by SeeEmDee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    $40 Billion dollars could be re-allocated to to the NOLA reconstruction by diverting the funding of the completely ineffectual and spendrift Office of Natonal Drug Control Policy to the rebuilding effort. If Gub'mint agencies were supposed to be held to account for their failures, this one meets all failure criteria easily. The DEA would be right behind it.

    I'd like to see the entire highway bill scuttled - but in a 500 channel world, PBS is utterly superfluous. If there's a market for what they are showing, it will sell commercially.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#3)
    by jen on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Cutting pbs to help cover katrina expenses is sort of like bailing the city with a pail.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#4)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    As a regular PBS viewer I am very saddened by the possibility that Congress might cut funding to it. PBS has been under attack by the neocons because people like Bill Moyers drive them nuts. As for JR's notion that the "market" in its infinite wisdom will pick what is best, it doesn't work with education. There, the "build it and they will come" approach is much better. The kids who will lap up Nova and Nature are your scientific leaders of tomorrow. If you don't nurture them now, the "market" for doctors and scientists and engineers may scream until it's blue in the face, but they won't be there. And outsourcing won't help, either.

    Why complain, TL? This is a golden opportunity for the Democrats. If Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and that spendthrift Robert Byrd will now step forward and propose cutting some of their own personal pet-pork projects, they will show that they, unlike the "paleo-cons" are serious about making a sacrifice to help the people of New Orleans and position themselves quite nicely for 2006. Call your Democratic Representative and tell them to cut the pork barrel spending in your district to help fund relief to NOLA. Maybe if they hear from enough of us, they'll actually do something for a change.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Al - If you favor PBS, get together with other fans and pay for it. Jen - True, but it would be an excellent example of the Left giving up something. et al - I could cut 20% out of the budget before lunch and without breaking a sweat. So could 99% of the general population.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#7)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Anything we cut will seem vitally important to somebody. If PBS -- which already has a well-known and effective private donation mechanism -- is the most painful, I'll be surprised. And yes, the market can provide educational programming. See the National Geographic Channel, Discovery, The Learning Channel, the Military Channel, and the History Channel. All provided without forcing anybody to pay, on penalty of imprisonment.

    yada yada --I could do it without breaking a sweat too end the war in Iraq --or even properly manage any of the Bush initiatives --find the 8 billion missing in Iraq that would be a start. stop corporate welfare tax cigarettes and gas at an even higher rate

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#9)
    by jen on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Roy, I don't watch pbs much, never really have, I love the channels you mentioned (or did when I got them) but not everyone has cable believe it or not. JimakaPBJ Yes, it would be a meethalfway sort of thing to do. But really, do you want that symbolic victory to be over what are petty complaints by the right? The victory would mean nothing (except maybe yet another way to leave poor children behind)

    one the corporations get a hold of the programming on PBS nothing will stop them from watering it down, adding a few cartoon characters in to develop their spin-off cereal and toy lines and editing content to reveal the controversy behind evolution . the amount of real educational and scientific programming on discovery, history channel, etc. appears to be in steep decline. Most of those shows are aired later at night when most kids are in bed. i don't really see the educational value behind yet another home makeover program. tis a shame cause i used to love watching those channels.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Last night:
    ..send the Administration on the trip in the next two months..
    They're halfway there now , aren't they? On a more somber note: I'm slightly nervous this morning. The satellite images I'm seeing (e.g. this morning on rawstory of Rita's size, location, and direction, look eerily like the images of Katrina a day or two before she hit NOLA...

    et al - I could cut 20% out of the budget before lunch and without breaking a sweat. So could 99% of the general population.
    Let me guess: "welfare". Bra-vo.

    Also,
    The U.S. Government, a wholly owned subsidiary of China.
    Haha, great line. Remember when Al Gore sold out to the Chinese? IOKIYAR...

    Bush has mismanaged every program since he took office. He has wasted money on poor policy choices such as criminal justice issues. And he is incompetent as a manager. How much more did the initial response to Katrina cost because Bush was playing catch-up. And what is the legacy of the Bush emergency management --The Homestead Roof -blue tarps and an explosion is duct tape purchases.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    tax cigarettes
    You lost my vote. I subsidize all the health nuts quite enough as it is, thank you. Smokers should get a tax break. We don't live as long sucking up all the resources like the tofu eaters. Tax tofu and soy milk.

    ok no increase in the cigarette tax...why not legalize recreational drugs and tax them. sex work could also be a big reveue producer. get rid of the fundies and we might be able to have a decent place to live with s balanced budget

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    jessica:
    ..the amount of real educational and scientific programming on discovery, history channel, etc. appears to be in steep decline..
    and on PBS. I seem to recall that up until about '94-'94 that there were many more in depth scientific programs and documentaries aired at higher eduactional levels (college and up) than since. They mostly seem to be at elementary and lower high school level now. Any one else notice this general dumbing down?

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    Much better what a load, I'm back on board.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#20)
    by jen on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    We should also tax the most powerful and addictive of all drugs: Coffee, and chocolate

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    jen: We should also tax the most powerful and addictive of all drugs political power and appointments?

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#22)
    by swingvote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    This conversation is headed in the wrong direction entirely, but that's hardly surprising given the political leanings of most of those taking part. What began as a statement by TL that the GOP is talking about cuts to the wrong program is quickly becoming a discussion on which products should be taxed at a higher level to allow more spending. Sure, raising taxes is always the liberal answer, but surely there is some pork even liberals could do without?

    I propose cutting prescription drug benefits for all elected federal representatives

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#24)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    PPJ:
    Al - If you favor PBS, get together with other fans and pay for it.
    As a matter of fact, I already do. But it is in the interest of society at large to do so as well. The Discovery Channel, TLC, etc., are only about science or technology as entertainment. Lots of shows about building motorbikes and hotrods, or firing bullets into flesh-like jelly. Great fun, but not about learning. You have to distinguish between entertainment and education. For entertainment, I fully agree that the market should decide what it wants. Entertainment is consumption. Education is not a consumable, it's an investment. You pay to feed brains, particularly next generation brains. Education doesn't only happen in school. It also happens on TV, on the radio, in the movie theater, in the public library, on the internet. The market, apparently, likes "reality" shows (which are singularly divorced from reality). Look around you; how much of the US' current, and foreseeable, woes are due to sheer, monumental incompetence? Do you really want the next generation of Americans to depend on the whims of the "market" for their learning? (And I don't mean just your kids. When you need bypass surgery, it will probably be somebody else's kid you will have to rely on).

    Cuts..we got'em the Department of Agriculture -the cotton subsidies and all the others that support a few people FDA let's just rid of it. They do a crappy job of protecting us from harmful drugs and end up rotecting the drug companies. Let the companies represent their wares and the consumer can always sue. We should the prescription racket anyway You can buy whatever drugs you want in most countries --just not here in nanny land -

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    SeeemDee is right, the ONDCP would be a better candidate for a cut than PBS. PBS, through Sesame Street and the like, actually help teach kids the ABC's and 1,2,3's. PBS serves a purpose. The ONDCP airs ads that lie and mislead, and they don't work to boot. The ONDCP serves no purpose.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    Al writes;
    But it is in the interest of society at large to do so as well.
    Really? I argue that, prior to PBS, society as a whole was less brutish, more civil and advancing rapidly in all areas of science and philsophy.
    Education is not a consumable, it's an investment.
    PBS as education? What happened to the public school system and public library? If we wanted to help our children become educated we would shut down PBS and all other TV except for maybe two hours a day for local and national news.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#28)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    i sort of like the "bridge to nowhere", reminds me of my "crash bandicoot" ps1 game, the only video game i play. cut all federal funding to harvard. they are solely responsible for giving bush an mba, they should pay the price.

    Jen... We should also tax the most powerful and addictive of all drugs: Coffee, and chocolate I think we all pay enough taxes! I say no more tax increases at all...EVER! It's about time we make the Government live within a budget like the rest of us have to. They get enough or our money now. Justpaul... Sure, raising taxes is always the liberal answer, but surely there is some pork even liberals could do without? right on!!

    Coming from the country that created the BBC, I'd like to express strong support for PBS, the closest thing that America has to our own public broadcasting system. The dedication to producing programs for which the only criteria is that they be of the highest possible quality is inherently admirable to me. The alternative is the endless re-hashing of reality TV shows, home decorations shows and celeb-filled crap which fills the commercial channels. Are these shows popular? Yes, apparently. And that saddens me. Are they worthwhile? I would argue that the answer is no. Only if you consider "lowest-common-denominator" as the only measure could they possibly be considered as having value. Am I a snob for holding this view? Perhaps, but I make no apology for seeking to support the intellectual advancement of the masses at public expense - particularly when funding for public libraries and public education is in decline. Societies have a duty to educate their members - that's part of what it means to be civilized. Furthermore, I believe that the existence of a network with the freedom to put forward diverse (even unpopular) points of view and controversial material that may offend or contradict the narrow agendas of commercial advertisers is not just desirable, it is vital, given the increased concentration of media power through cross-media ownership. Rupert Murdoch and Fox/Sky have been obsessively trying to shut down the BBC for years now. Since the BBC doesn't receive any advertising revenue for it's broadcasts and therefore cannot really be seen as a competitor for income, why is this?

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#31)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    Ian, All I regularly watch from the BBC is comedies from the '70s -- which are great -- so I have a horrible perspective from which to judge. That said, I see the BBC as an example of why we Americans shouldn't want a large government-funded TV network. The BBC seems to have pervasive political and cultural bias in news reporting and programming selection, with no incentive to fix itself because of how it's funded. The (flagrantly right-wing) blog Biased BBC claims to document this. Am I full of crap?

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    roy-yes

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#33)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    I favor increasing taxes significantly. But only for 10% of the population. I would also suggest making ALL out of pocket medical expenses tax deductible.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#34)
    by swingvote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    I favor increasing taxes significantly. But only for 10% of the population. I agree, Che. Let's tax that 10% at the bottom that currently pays no taxes at all. As a bonus, any tax on them at all would be a significant increase, so you can even up the ante to "astoundingly" if you like.

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    Ian writes:
    Coming from the country that created the BBC, I'd like to express strong support for PBS
    Don't be so shy. I'm sure they will take pounds. The address is on the website. See, that way you can be a double snob. ;-) Che writes:
    I would also suggest making ALL out of pocket medical expenses tax deductible.
    Hmmmm, now it couldn't be that you are in the medical profession, could it? And I am sure that you will insure that no person, company or thing increases their prices because the net cost has just been decreased to the consumer. I mean we haven't seen any medical care costs going up than faster than inflation while supply increases, have we? (That's satire folks.) I can just hear the screams after this news bulletin: "Oil prices surged to $90 a barrel today. Analyst say that the increase is due to weakened demand and OPEC's announcement that they are increasing production by 20 million barrels a day..."

    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#36)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    Ian:
    Am I a snob for holding this view? Perhaps, but I make no apology for seeking to support the intellectual advancement of the masses at public expense [...] Societies have a duty to educate their members - that's part of what it means to be civilized.
    No, you are not, Ian. And those who would think so denigrate themselves, unfortunately, to their own sad misfortune.
    Note: This is often found incorrectly stated as a quote by Nelson Mandela - I don't know who wrote it, but it makes sense. "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? [...] Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. [...] It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."


    Re: GOP Proposes Cutting PBS to Finance Katrina Re (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    Sorry edger, too touchy feely for me. You know, I'm beginning to believe you are, or were, a consultant.