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Elections Open Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Elections
Posted on Tue Nov 08, 2005 at 04:52:08 PM EST
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The polls should be closing soon. I haven't followed the elections around the country today, so here's a place to discuss them. Corzine in NJ and Bloomberg in NY appear to be winners. Who else, and what if anything do today's results portend for 2006?

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    Elections Open Thread | 15 comments (15 topical)
    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by BigTex on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    Can we discuss the elections in TX also? Props 2 and 5 are the big issues. Prop 2 would define marriage as between a man and a woman, and forbid the state from recgonizing anything identical to or similar to marriage. The legislature blew that wording. Prop 5 would allow business to loan money as usury rates for commercial loans.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    Sure, sorry Tex. I didn't realize there were elections there today. As I said, I haven't been following them. You go right ahead.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by BigTex on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    Oops, forgot to add, there is considerable talk that common law marriage will be eliminated as a result of prop 2, and there is almost certain to be forum shopping to get a test case out there to see if all marriages are eliminated by prop 2.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by BigTex on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    Outside of prop 2, the other big issue is prop 5, which would allow banks to charge usury amounts of interest on commercial loans. Apparantly 46 states allow this. The amendment looks like it will fail. The other one that may be of interest here is prop 4 which is
    "The constitutional amendment authorizing the denial of bail to a criminal defendant who violates a condition of the defendant's release pending trial." Brief Explanation SJR 17 would authorize a district judge to deny reinstatement of bail or new bail to a person accused of a felony, if the person's bail had been revoked or forfeited as a result of the person's violation of a condition of release related to the safety of a victim of the alleged offense or to the safety of the community.
    This passed by a very wide margin, higher than prop 2. Also, Bill WHite received 91% of the vote for mayor, and is now being pressured to throw his hat into the ring for governor.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    In Los Angeles, Diebold Registrar of Voters 'Katherine' Connie McCormack REFUSED to uphold the law and REFUSED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC VIEWING OF THE COUNTY VOTE TABULATION IN NORWALK. All that is required, BY LAW, is the ability for the public to view the tabulation computers' screens during the tabulation of an election, usually done through a plate glass window. In San Diego 6 months ago, they pointed a monitor toward a window, but across a long room so it was unreadable. When a blackboxvoting activist attempted to gain closer access, he was arrested and charged with a felony. But tonight, in Los Angeles, Diebold Connie showed that the fix was in. Naked refusal to follow the law. Naked failure to provide for a legal election, besides all the other issues (lack of papertrail). They don't want us to see them fiddling the tabulators, like they did in Oakland (and throughout the state) in 2003. They don't want us to see them removing hot software immediately after the tabulation, as they did in Oakland (and throughout the state) in 2003. Another illegal election in California. Another railroad from Diebold.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    San Francisco banned handguns, in violation of state law and the 2nd Amendment.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    Roy, San Franciscans still retain the right to bear arms, NOT carry concealed weapons. Don't be obtuse. Or do you have another agenda rooted in the training grounds of eastern Washington state? Maybe you just like to go squirrel hunting near Coit Tower. With a pistol.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    Honestly Che, you ought to try at least have the barest of a clue of wtf you're talking about before you attack someone else. From the City & County of San Francisco, Department of Elections: "THE PROPOSAL: Proposition H is an ordinance that would ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco. Proposition H also would prohibit San Francisco residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco. An exception would allow residents to possess handguns if it is required for specific professional purposes. For example, San Francisco residents who are security guards, peace officers or active members of the U.S. armed forces would be permitted to possess handguns. A “YES” VOTE MEANS: If you vote “yes,” you want to ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco, and you want to prohibit—with limited exceptions—San Francisco residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco."

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:53 PM EST
    Speaking of "obtuse", what do the Washington and Coit Tower references even mean? (My attitude aside, I really am curious)

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:53 PM EST
    Roy, any Proposition has to pass through the courts, so a plebicite on restricting gunrights is just that. Big deal. What is unconstitutional will be struck down -- maybe the whole thing. As for E. Washingon, that is the home of several white supremacist/Neo-Nazi groups. Coit tower has figured in several tv and movie sniper fantasies.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:53 PM EST
    Thank you, PiL. And thank you, Che, for apparently implying that I'm a white supremacist and murder-fantasizer. Serves me right for reading the prop correctly.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:55 PM EST
    Actually, roy, I sympathize with your sense of the injustice of allusion, but the fact is that wingers have set the standard of discourse here, through their (your?) vicious talking-points nastiness. Surely you remember that anyone who opposed Bushliar's propaganda and antiamerican racism and lies was a 'traitor.' Well, the world knows who are the traitors now. And the apology for those slurs? Dialtone. Che is fairly mild-mannered, thus the use of allusion. That's his gentility, and it is understandable in the context of the winger brutality and winger racism expressed here every day. If it doesn't apply to you, perhaps you aren't the Kill Them All roy who deserves a snark. It's a common enough name.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    PiL, It's a strange day when I find myself agreeing with you in one thread and being consoled by you in another. I won't defend the various "traitor", "unpatriotic", "how dare you criticize the troops" type comments. At the risk of whinging, I don't think abusive language from some Rightists excuses abusive language towards one who tries not to call anyone worse than "silly". I don't consider myself on the right, but I suspect you'd disagree with me. I'm the only Roy who's posted here in almost a year. I'm not the "Kill Them All" Roy, but I am the "Kill the Terrorists and I'm not yet convinced we haven't tried hard enough to protect the civilians" Roy.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Actually, roy, I regretted my comments all day yesterday. I can't claim to remember who is who over this very emotional time (except for the obvious trolls). I switched to shotgun a while back, since this board was overrun by varmits. Please accept my apology.

    Re: Elections Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Done, and done.

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