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Bob Woodward Explains on LKL

Bob Woodward was Larry King's guest for the entire hour tonight, talking about his revelation that his secret source told him in June, 2003 that Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA as an analyst on weapons of mass destruction. Atrios has the transcript here.

Very little was illuminating, except for this exchange in which Woodward makes it clear it came up in the first place because he specifically asked the source about Joe Wilson and that the conversation took place after reading Walter Pincus' June 12 article.

KING: How did it even come up?

WOODWARD: Came up because I asked about Joe Wilson, because a few days before, my colleague at the "Washington Post," Walter Pincus, had a front page, saying there was an unnamed envoy -- there was no name given - who had gone to Niger the year before to investigate for the CIA if there was some Niger-Iraq uranium deal or yellow cake deal. I learned that that ambassador's name was Joe Wilson, which as you know, Wilson eventually surfaced...I guess a few weeks later. So I said to this source, long substantive interview about the road to war. You know, at the end of an interview like this, after you do an interview on television, you might just shoot the breeze for a little while. And so, I asked about Wilson, and he said this. Most kind of off-hand.

That puts the date after June 12 which means his source told him after Libby learned it from a senior CIA official, a state department official and Dick Cheney.

The other point of interest in the show was Woodward saying that we shouldn't be suprised if Libby's lawyers turn on him in the future:

KING: Does Libby know who your source is?

WOODWARD: I don't know the answer.... what Libby knows about this. You know, you get gratitude from people and from strange places. And then there is the saying, "Beware of what you wish for." And sometimes I'm not -- that's a lawyer defending Libby, and that's our system, and don't be surprised if I get denounced by them at some point in this. That happens in journalism. But I am strictly in the middle; I don't wear a uniform. I'm not a Red State or Blue State in this.

I did provide information in this case about Libby.

There are some major unanswered questions here. Woodward says when he called his source to remind him about their conversation, the source immediately said he was going to tell Fitzgerald. But Woodward also says he has tried in the past year to get a release from his source about this.

If his source wanted to set the record straight with Fitzgerald, why wouldn't he have gone to Fitz when Woodward mentioned the conversation in one of his earlier attempts to obtain a release? Woodward says had his source not insisted on going to Fitzgerald and refused to allow him to tell Fitzgerald, he would have stayed silent. What changed in the sources mind, or is Woodward shading their true conversation? It makes more sense that Woodward would have called him and told him he was going to tell Fitzgerald, to correct the misimpression about Libby, and the source felt he had no choice but to go to Fitz.

Another question: Did this source learn of Plame's identity from Libby -- or from the June 10 classified memo? If he learned it from Libby, it may have been at a White House Iraq Group meeting, of which Stephen Hadley was a member. If he learned it from the memo, it is more likely he learned it from a State Department or CIA official.

One last question: Are Woodward's source and Novak's source the same? Is it the same as Walter Pincus's source?

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    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:20 PM EST
    LOL Woodward slipped! : ) "So I asked about Wilson and HE said this." LOL So much for his he or she line! His "source" is a HE. ; )

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:20 PM EST
    WOODWARD: ... I guess a few weeks later. So I said to this source, long substantive interview about the road to war. You know, at the end of an interview like this, after you do an interview on television, you might just shoot the breeze for a little while. And so, I asked about Wilson, and he said this.

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Woodward's original story that he told Pincus because Pincus was working on the "ambassador going to Niger" story AT THAT TIME"? Now, Woodward is saying that he told Pincus AFTER Pincus published his June 12 piece... ...and that means after Libby had been told by a whole bunch of people about Wilson's wife, and had passed it on to others in the administration....

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#4)
    by mpower1952 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    I learned that that ambassador's name was Joe Wilson, which as you know, Wilson eventually surfaced...I guess a few weeks later. He doesn't say how he learned that Wilson was the envoy. Cozumel- Good catch.

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    I just read through the transcript... Woodward is lying through his teeth. First, he tells King that on October 27 (when Woodward said he had no "bombshell") that he did not consider the fact that he knew early on significant because he was told so casually. Later, he mentions that he tried to get his source to allow him to talk about it twice, so he could put it in a book or newspaper. ************** Perhaps most interestingly, King never asks about the most significant disclosure --- that Woodward claims he told Pincus. Remember, Pincus had testified to FitzG WITHOUT mentioning this (alleged) conversation. And because Pincus's testimony was negotiated by the Post (and probably, like Woodwards testimony, had a Post lawyer present), the Post would have been compelled to tell FitzG that Pincus's testimony may not have been accurate. ....and THAT is why only Libby was indicted, because once FitzG heard that, with so little time left for the Grand Jury, he had to completely disregard Pincus's testimony in putting indictments together.

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    Poor Bob is doing his best but illustrating how difficult it is to keep sources secret no matter how hard you try...

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    This is probably a dumb question, but if Fitzgerald didn't know about Woodward & Mr. X, why did they come forward? couldn't Woodward have simply avoided this massive Judy Mileresque smudge on his reputation by just keeping quiet?

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    Has anyone else begun to think that Woodward is not the "hero" he has been portrayed to be? Why is he on the inside of the two most corrupt anti-democratic administrations in modern American history? Doesn't it seem plausible, given his criticisms of Fitzgerald while lying about what he really knew that Woodward has been a part of both cover-ups, gladly keeping a lid on the most heinous plans of Nixon and the post-Nixon cronies now back in power? Didn't Woodward work in Navy intel before he became a "journalist?" His conduct re Plame is so transparent that I think we ought to start looking back to see whether he really was the grand "Revelator" of Watergate, or ballast to keep the ship from catching too much speed. He is not likely to have made the radical change commonly percieved; it is much more likely that his stripes have not changed, espcially given the seriousness of the Plame lies and his recent flaming of Fitzgeral. A much better fit is that he's been a part of the Nixon-Bush-military-Haliburton propaganda machine all along.

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    I think the interview was extremely significant, in that Bob Woodward basically admitted last night to being a Lawyer and Spokesman for the Bush Administration, not a journalist. The amazing part is - this is the relationship which most of our "best" journalists have with the WH, so nobody notices.

    Re: Bob Woodward Explains on LKL (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:21 PM EST
    Maybe Jeff Gannon had a woodie for Woodie. Now I know who is woodwards Secret sauce.