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Posted on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 04:28:42 PM EST
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What were the biggest lies? The low points? How did Tim Kaine do? Any predictions as to whether there will be a bounce for Bush tomorrow?

Arianna will be on Anderson Cooper 360 discussing the speech right afterwards. Are any liberals live-blogging? Let us know in the comments.

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    SOTU Open Thread | 63 comments (63 topical)
    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by roger on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:14:52 PM EST
    I'd like to see W address why he feels free to read our e-mails, while witholding his Katrina e-mails from Congress. Since I dont expect that to happen, I'll watch something else and catch the re-cap on the Daily Show.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:26:14 PM EST
    I don't know about tomorrow, but I'll go out on a limb and say that inside of a week, his polls will be about what they are today (worse than any president's except Nixon's)

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Linkmeister on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:58:03 PM EST
    Think Progress is live-blogging and Air America is airing/commenting. See their post below the SOTU text.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by chris on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 06:07:27 PM EST
    Here's what he'll say on NSA/wiretapping. It is said that prior to the attacks of September 11th, our government failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy. We now know that two of the hijackers in the United States placed telephone calls to al-Qaida operatives overseas. But we did not know about their plans until it was too late. So to prevent another attack - based on authority given to me by the Constitution and by statute - I have authorized a terrorist surveillance program to aggressively pursue the international communications of suspected al-Qaida operatives and affiliates to and from America. Previous presidents have used the same constitutional authority I have - and Federal courts have approved the use of that authority. Appropriate Members of Congress have been kept informed. This terrorist surveillance program has helped prevent terrorist attacks. It remains essential to the security of America. If there are people inside our country who are talking with al-Qaida, we want to know about it - because we will not sit back and wait to be hit again.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 06:24:30 PM EST
    Here are comments on the immigration-related bits from the speech.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Johnny on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:05:16 PM EST
    Human life is a gift from our creator...
    That's nice, tell that to the 2000+ dead soldiers, Georgie.
    Job skills that bring upward mobility...
    That's nice, tell that to your outsourcing corporate cronies, Georgie.
    ...end the waiting list for aids medication in America
    Socialized medicine?
    We've entered a great idealogical conflict we did nothing to invite...
    LMAO The american aconomy is pre-eminent and must reman that way..
    OK Georgie, tell that to your corporate cronies... Is it just me, or was he having trouble speaking? Stumbling over words, false starts, etc? Get a new speech writer did he? On the sauce? Off the sauce? I cannot believe so many people voted for this flunkie.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:13:15 PM EST
    Fifty-one minutes of smirks, grins, and the most insubstantial crap and fast-stepping avoidance that the idiot son of an a**h*** could muster without swallowing his gum.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimcee on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:14:23 PM EST
    Yawn..... The president was making a speech? Who knew? Same old yak different president. The SOTU address is always a bust excepting seeing the reaction of indivduals in the audience. Seeing Hillary's reaction at one point (and that point escapes me) said volumes about her seriousness. (I was watching on CSPAN.) It seemed she was about to roll her eyes but realised that the cameras were on her so instead her eyes became enlarged and a chiseled smile appeared on her face. All in all like all SOTU speeches it was probably the most aerobic excercise most members of the legislature have had in a year with all that standing up and all. Yawn...

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Linkmeister on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:16:58 PM EST
    I posted this snippet:
    Now that was amusing. Bush said last year Congress failed to act on his proposal to save Social Security, and all the Democrats stood and applauded wildly.
    Who wrote that opportunity into the speech? Is there a Democratic mole in the WH?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by bad Jim on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 09:06:49 PM EST
    I was disappointed that Bush came out against human-animal hybrids. That means we won't get werewolves until 2009 at the earliest. What a lost opportunity!

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Johnny on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 09:14:03 PM EST
    I was disappointed that Bush came out against human-animal hybrids. That means we won't get werewolves until 2009 at the earliest. What a lost opportunity!
    LMAO!

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Linkmeister on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 10:30:47 PM EST
    Yeah, who speaks for the chimeras? What on earth was he trying to say?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:32:41 PM EST
    Does anyone know what would constitute "unlawful conduct" to the Capitol Police, and how that would apply to Cindy Sheehan being in the gallery wearing a T-shirt with a 'political slogan' on it (reportedly "2,245 Dead -- How Many More??" )? Or does anyone know where to look it up?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by bad Jim on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:22:06 AM EST
    There's a business opportunity: find out what her t-shirt looked like, and make up a few hundred of them. Sometimes a decent profit can be found in a little political incorrectness.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:36:48 AM EST
    So what did Bush say?..nothing but one world bull.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:41:11 AM EST
    robertearle, all things inside this nut house called the USA Cand-be called unlawful conduct if your not one of the business guys running us all into the third world ideals of what a nation state is( see mexico ).

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by jen on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:56:40 AM EST
    bad Jim, I saw one of those t-shirts earlier yesterday the number is number of troops killed the last three numbers are black sharpie on off white tape of some sort It is a Veterans for Peace t-shirt but I can't find them on the VFP website. It may have sold out. I believe they sold it when the number reached 2000

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:08:18 AM EST
    Is it just me, or is the father in the animated series "Family Guy" a thinly veiled caricature of Dennis Hastert?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by Slado on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:37:45 AM EST
    SOTU's are as worthwhile as the response from the opposing party. All slogans and big ideas. No mention of how we should pay for it or the reality and details. In other words worthless. Just an excuse for legislatrues and the president to feel good about themselves. But tradition is tradition. Highlights for me was hearing about Cindy Sheehan getting arrested and getting another 5 minutes of fame and seeing Alito dressed proudly in his new robes. Also liked watching reactions on CSPAN.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:45:48 AM EST
    Roger - This is what he said:
    I have authorized a terrorist surveillance program to aggressively pursue the international communications of suspected al-Qaida operatives and affiliates to and from America.
    You know, I don't think you fall into that category. et al - Not one word from you about his energy proposals? Health proposals?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:48:05 AM EST
    Roger - This is what Bush said:
    I have authorized a terrorist surveillance program to aggressively pursue the international communications of suspected al-Qaida operatives and affiliates to and from America.
    Somehow I don't think you fall into the category.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:12:40 AM EST
    The Fool On The Hill
    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:39:36 AM EST
    I personally liked his comments on "compassion". Speaking personally as a lesbian, I was so glad to hear that there would be things taken care of like civil rights for everyone. 'scuse me while I cough up a hairball. I was not impressed with the Democratic response...where is the fire that we need? I really got a sense that the Dems have given up. Anyone else?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:57:36 AM EST
    I would like to take this opportunity to THANK the democratic party and governor wilde for making George Bush sound like a Poet Laureate. I would also like to congratulate the democratic party and governor Wilde for their pathetic response to a SOTU speech that sounded as if it were written by Stephanopolous. With so few eloquent Democrats it is beyond comprehension that they would pick someone that would rank at the bottom of that list. Say what you want about Mr. Obama, but the man speaks more eloquently than any sitting US Senator or to the best of my knowledge any sitting Demo governor. Give the torch to Obama. He is articulate, trustworthy and a heck of a lot of fun to listen to. I found this SOTU no less vomit inducing than nearly all of Clintons. It would seem that neither party has a patent on empty rhetoric although it does appear that Bush's team has studied Clintons speeches and have done a masterful job at recreating the spinnage.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by peacrevol on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:04:05 AM EST
    Did anyone see John Kerry on the Today show this morning? Katie Couric ate his lunch. He sounded like a complete imbisul. No wonder the Dems cant win elections. It was overall oneo of the most embarassing things I have seen in some time. Too bad everybody thinks the only alternative to the sleepy Dems is the sleezy repubs...

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:15:58 AM EST
    2BitDreamer: 'scuse me while I cough up a hairball. Don't blame you for feeling that way. george would probably rather you choked on it, being "you're either with us or you're against us" george, you know? Cough it up in his direction. I really got a sense that the Dems have given up. Anyone else? Sometimes. But I think the story of the Tortoise and the Hare applies here. It's been said before that
    "Democrats work for solutions. Republicans pray the problems will go away". --Actor212


    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:34:12 AM EST
    "Democrats work for solutions. Republicans pray the problems will go away" Except for when the problem is Social Security, that is. Or Medicare. Or Welfare. Or any other problem the Democrats created. Then they just deny the problem even exists.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:36:00 AM EST
    What was he said about "faith based organizations" helping with HIV/AIDS? Whose faith? Baptist? Pentecostal? Surely won't be Buddhist faith. His right-wing Christian views mixing with politics, ie: stem cell research scare the beejeezus out of me. george would probably rather you choked on it, being "you're either with us or you're against us" george, you know? Cough it up in his direction. Would love to, but who wants to get that close? And I know my relationship is SUCH a threat to society. I wish Ted had give the Dem response last night. And not to sound like an idiot, but I have a question. I heard that the voting machines were owned by the Repubs Party, so in 2008, will the same machines still be there?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:40:16 AM EST
    Then they just deny the problem even exists. Actually no, justpaul. It just appears that way to the people that were suckered by george into believing that george's lies about it are somehow even remotely connected to reality, because they can see through his bs.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:44:12 AM EST
    Would love to, but who wants to get that close? I don't think george is contagious, but then again, you can't be too careful, huh? ;-)

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by swingvote on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:45:45 AM EST
    Edger, Was Bill Clinton lying when he said Social Security was in a crisis and would go bankrupt if the system wasn't fixed? Was he lying when he admitted that we needed to fix Welfare (after being forced to the table by the Republicans)? Was John Breaux lying? Sure Edger, it's all evil George at work. Keep dreaming. In the meantime. I look forward to your denunciations of Hillary when she takes office in 2009 and admits that the system is broken.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:47:20 AM EST
    et al - I love it. Again multiple entries as to how stupid Bush is. In the meantime he is just like the Eveready bunny. He keeps winning and winning and.... And almost nothing do I see about his energy comments, his healthcare comments, his social security comments. So with the elections coming up, what are the Demos and their masters, the Left, going to run on? How stupid Bush is? And that grin he had? Why shouldn't he grin? With Alito confirmed he has changed the course of the country for the next 3o years. Poor dumb old George.... If we all could just be half as smart..

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:48:33 AM EST
    I guess he is contagious after all. Seems that what he's got rapidly destroys the immune system of the frontal lobes and rational thinking centers of the brain.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by swingvote on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:00:26 AM EST
    And thank you, Edger, for proving my point. Democrats, and liberals in general, simply deny most problems exist at all, since they most often caused them and have nothing to say about solving them.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by soccerdad on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:40:29 AM EST
    Democrats, and liberals in general, simply deny most problems exist at all, since they most often caused them and have nothing to say about solving them.
    The standard absolute partisan BS.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:45:24 AM EST
    Cindy Sheehan got forcibly evicted from SOTU, for wearing a t-shirt. What happened to the First Amendment?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:46:47 AM EST
    And thank you, Edger, for proving my point. Hey, anytime justpaul. Glad to be of help...

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by swingvote on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:53:34 AM EST
    The standard absolute partisan BS. Another liberal who denies there is a problem with Social Security stands up.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:55:23 AM EST
    2BitDreamer: I have a question. I heard that the voting machines were owned by the Repubs Party, so in 2008, will the same machines still be there? Probably...

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:58:43 AM EST
    Jesurgislac : What happened to the First Amendment? It's just a godd**n piece of paper?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by roger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:26:39 AM EST
    Jim, I'm pretty sure that I've been tapped in the past, in connection with a case I handled. No, thank you, it doesnt give me anything to worry about, as I am a very, very, boring person. However, would I want someone to know that my wife orders AAA bras off the net? She'd probably mind! What if I order Viagra? I am still against warrantless wiretaps.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:03:03 AM EST
    DA, go easy on him. That kool-aid addiction is a very very serious one. Am I right? ;-)

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#44)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:19:45 PM EST
    The State of the Union = The Sorry State of Dubya's Script. The actor's nightmare as policy.* (*the nightmare actors often have, where they find themselves onstage in a play of which they have absolutely no knowledge.)

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mike on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:56:10 PM EST
    Kaine did a darn good job in spite of Arianna Huffington's dislike and in spite of his left eyebrow. A lot of red staters stayed to listen because of him. And he changed some minds that were sitting on the fence. All of those red staters that stayed to listen would have tuned out Hillary or Kerry or Kennedy. Kaine has gotten the Democrats several thousand votes in each red state congressional district this November.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:37:12 PM EST
    Bush's "energy proposals" conveyed all the conviction and undrestanding of a semi-literate person reading a bedtime story to a kid he dosnt like. pp-errandboy - Lets see some evidnce from Bush's career that he's ever given a tinkers damn about energy conservation and research into renewable sources. Youre quite the comedian.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:53:28 PM EST
    Why cant this gold bricking mediocrity take enough time off from "brush clearing" to read and digest the info enough to at least sound like he gives a sh*t?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:15:33 PM EST
    jondee writes;
    Lets see some evidence from Bush's career that he's ever given a tinkers damn about energy conservation and research into renewable sources.
    Why do you condemn him? Didn't someone say:
    Without the hope of heaven would a sinner give up his urge?
    Dark Avenger - I trust you understand that I don't give a flip what the SF Chronicle writes about Bush. You ask why? From your quote:
    And last year, the administration threatened to veto a Senate energy bill that called for a much less significant reduction in oil consumption -- albeit over a longer period of time -- than Bush called for on Tuesday night.
    Perhaps someone should tell the author, editor and publisher this simple fact. I can't burn last years gas. Or say it this way:
    Let the dead bury the dead.
    What's next? A link to a German newspaper? Oh the humanity! Spare me, please. et al - If you think....(2 sec pause) Kane did a....(2 sec pause) good job, then....(2 sec pause you didn't listen.... Heck...he even made Bush look good. And Bush could never be called a public speaker. Of course when it comes to communicating Bush does very well. and best of all from Jesurgislac:
    Cindy Sheehan got forcibly evicted from SOTU, for wearing a t-shirt.
    Who complained? T shirt manufacturers?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimcee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:28:51 PM EST
    Having to admit I actually watched the SOTU address (the first stage on my 12 step program to quit political addictions)and having watched the Democrat response from Gov Kaine I found his response rather disappointing. He was much too blow-dryed and made-up and the staging reeked of QVC TV. Or possibly it was the set resembled a Pat Robertson set. Either way if this is the best that the Dems can offer then they are in real trouble. Barak Obama would have been a better choice but apparently the Democratic leadership can't envision a black man actually speaking for the party. Seems as if there is a certain amount of racial consideration in that calculation to give Kaine the response. Is there a reason that the Dems wouldn't feel comfortable to have a black man speak for them? Or is there a certain racism that would give the nod to a white fella over a black man? I can't wait for Doctor Dean to opine.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#50)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:40:31 PM EST
    kos catches one lie from SOTU. Knight Ridder reports:
    One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.
    I guess it is no big deal. lying that is, since we are so used to it by now. In fact we expect it.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:53:52 PM EST
    I edited a clip from the State of the Union address, and a friend posted it to the net. Check it out: http://brokennails.insani-x.com/img/SOTUshort.wmv

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimcee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:42:42 PM EST
    Because this is an open thread, Has anyone heard from the four Quakers that were kidnapped a couple of months ago? Or is it the fraud that it appeared to be from the start? It is funny how we heard a lot about these folks from the CBC, BBC, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC et al but haven't heard a word since. Jill 'what's her name' seems to be of value now but why aren't these Quaker folks/frauds? Are they alive? Are they still held captive? And if they are why doesn't the media report it? This sounds as if the media doesn't want to admit they were used by these folks. Actually they just don't want to be caught being willingly used. Funny how the media cares more about the message than they do about the truth. Watching them pontificate about a wounded reporter more than they would a wounded soldier speaks volumes about thier biases. But of course there is no mainstrean media bias. No, none at all....

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#53)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:55:42 PM EST
    Jimcee, I believe you're referring to Jill Carroll. This no fraud. This is her life, and quite possibly her death, and the life or death of four other people. Whatever gave you the idea that it was a fraud? Unfortunately, Carroll is not alone. Four Christian peace activists - two Canadians, an American, and a Briton - who had disappeared on Nov. 26, were shown in a new video on Al Jazeera this week. A statement from the "Swords of Righteousness Brigades" read with the video said that they would be killed unless the US released all prisoners.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#54)
    by Johnny on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:57:51 PM EST
    Anyone know the sex/and or ethnicity of the missing quakers?

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:07:16 PM EST
    Arianna has been on the rag about Tim Kaine ever since the Democratic party announced his name. Tim has the inate capability of throwing imagery in his speeches for people of faith, and for the rest, it just sounds like nice sentiments. As a born-again, Southern Baptist, rabid Democrat, I couldn't help but smile when he started a sentence with, "The Good News is..." You know, kinna like the Good News Bible. I worked my butt to get Kaine elected in Virginia; and I believe the scripted show didn't even begin to any justice to his dynamic spirit. Yea, another word for the "faithful."

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#56)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:13:11 PM EST
    Johnny, I think they are the same four I mentioned above. They are four men.
    Press Release, Christian Peacemaker Teams, 29 November 2005 CPT Hebron contacted EI about the four members of the Christian Peacemaker Teams who were abducted in Iraq last Saturday. The four men are two CPTers and two delegates, one American, one British, and two Canadian.
    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimcee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:39:01 PM EST
    Edger, Sorry for any confusion, Ms Carrol is no fraud and I have written about about her positivly in the recent past on this site. I was refering to the four Quaker activists that were 'kidnapped' just before Xmas. There was much made of them by the CBC, BBC, and most of the American news-services at the time. And the CBC made a huge amount of issue with interviews with other Quaker supporters before Xmas. Funny how they have made those interviews disappear. Mr Orwell would be vindicated in this story. The 'As It Happens'(CBC) radio show had extensive interviews with the members of the kidnapped victims spokespeople right around Xmas but when I tried to search the CBC site for those interviews I was told that the search was futile. So my question remains unanswered: What happened to the Quaker foursome that was 'kidnapped' by the Iraqi insurrurrgents? Sounds like agitprop to me.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimcee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:38:24 PM EST
    Telly Kastor, My questioning of the Dems choice(Kaine not Kane, by the way) had less to do with race as it had to do with someone who could not only be more articulate and sincere but possibly less facile and fake. Why would the Dems leadersip annoint a cheap appearing, overly coiffed, eyebrow 'plucked' spokesperson wearing the dreaded US flag lapel pin? Do they really think the QVC approach will work? Do the Dems think that the middle of the road people are so stupid that this feigned MOR preacher stereotype will be appealing? Kaine was rather creepy. Sen Barak would not only been more articulate, he would have been more appealing. Man I used to be a Lefty when they were sane. Looking at what they think the mentality of thier constituancy is now is nothing but offensive for those of us that are real liberals. And it should offensive for all classical liberals but there are few of them left on the Left. The Left will delude themseves to think that Kaine provided some positive advertisment but in reality he was nothing but a poor quality infomercial for a party devoid of leadership. The centrists aren't as foolish as some people would think.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#59)
    by glanton on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:15:10 PM EST
    And that grin he had? Why shouldn't he grin? With Alito confirmed he has changed the course of the country for the next 3o years.
    Boy, you got that right, Jim. If there was ever a time for people to go ahead and thoroughly disinvest themselves from this nation and its please spy on me and protect elite wealth but don't let boys kiss or women control their bodies populace, the time is now. We won't be able to burn flags much longer, but it might be a little longer before they ban spitting on them.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 06:36:26 AM EST
    Galnton - You fail to surprise me. Telly Kastor writes:
    Gee, you take a break to watch TDS and the Colbert Report and the nitwits
    Be nice, Telly. This is a PG neighborhood.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:08:56 AM EST
    Finally getting around to dropping that cumbersome "social liberal" facade Jim? I knew you could do it.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#62)
    by glanton on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:45:42 AM EST
    Want to know what you're enemy is doing? Stay alert, and stay with Fox.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:56:25 AM EST
    Maybe they should just blow up the newborns and split the difference.

    Re: SOTU Open Thread (none / 0) (#64)
    by glanton on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:00:06 AM EST
    jondee: well said. "et al.": that apostrophe was no accident.

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