NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Terror Arrests

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Posted on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 02:27:18 PM EST
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Via Patriot Daily, NBC reports that the UK didn't want to arrest the London Terror suspects this week, but the US did.

NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the United States.

A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.

This British official contradicts earlier reports that the threats were imminent.

While Bush today denied any disagreeements, an Administration official said otherwise and reiterated the timing disagreement.

There was also disagreement over the arrest of Rashid Rauf in Pakistan:

The British official said the Americans also argued over the timing of the arrest of suspected ringleader Rashid Rauf in Pakistan, warning that if he was not taken into custody immediately, the U.S. would "render" him or pressure the Pakistani government to arrest him.

British security was concerned that Rauf be taken into custody "in circumstances where there was due process," according to the official, so that he could be tried in British courts. Ultimately, this official says, Rauf was arrested over the objections of the British.

So the U.S. wanted to go the "ghost air" route. As to the stage of the plan at the time of the arrests:

NBC News has previously reported that the explosive mixture was tested in Pakistan. The source said the suspects in Britain had obtained at least some of the materials for the explosive but had not yet actually prepared or mixed it.

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NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Terror Arrests | 41 comments (41 topical)

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#1)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 04:10:59 PM EST

Well duh. I mean this is earth shattering news. Shall we stop the press? I mean we have 20 plus terrorists and the evileeeee ole US wants to find out who all was connected. Zounds and gadzooks.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#2)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 04:42:13 PM EST

Oh but my dear JimakaPPJ, your boys have been busted reducing the effectiveness of a terrorist investigation so they can make Ned Lamont look bad. I knew something was smelly in Denmark when we went through all the trauma/drama at Heathrow and here in the states. Zounds and gadzooks man, those boys weren't even ready for their trial run yet. Tony Blair truly is a pathetic little lapdog. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#3)
by aw on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 04:50:49 PM EST

Screwing up an investigation for politics. Makes you proud, PPJ, doesn't it.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#4)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:36:37 PM EST

Are you guys nuts? The attack was supposed to go on the 16th and you think we should have waited? Good God almighty. And you talk about politics? How many people are you willing to be put at risk to allow you to vent your hatred of Bush?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#5)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:40:58 PM EST

BTW - This offical who claims to know so much, got this wrong:

In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.

That had tickets. Now, whatelse is this fountain of inacuracy wrong on?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#6)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 07:01:13 PM EST

whatelse is this fountain of inacuracy wrong on? You shouldn't be so jealous, PPJ, we relish the inaccuracy that flows so freely from you on a daily basis :>)

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#7)
by Sailor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 07:15:36 PM EST

I mean we have 20 plus terrorists and the evileeeee ole US wants to find out who all was connected.

nice of ppj to try and convict them already ... ohh, wait a minute, he doesn't believe in trials or the GenCons. Good thing most of America and the supreme court disagree.

actually, the brits wanted to see the connections, bushco wanted to release it for political gain wneh Lamont won. ppj, stands for nothing, falls for anything.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#8)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 08:05:13 PM EST

Are you guys nuts? The attack was supposed to go on the 16th and you think we should have waited?

Yup. As long as possible. Best of all would be to tap them on the shoulder on their way to the airport, with their explosives ready to go. And the 16th was a *trial run*, not the Main Event. Did they have detonaters? Explosives? Bottles with false bottoms? Or just "common household items"? BTW, the technical details of the plot that I've heard so far do not match up. This is to be expected -- it's early in the public part of the process and reporters aren't chemists.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#9)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 08:06:23 PM EST

Yet another example of The Politicization of Everything, brought to you, once again, by The Bush League. What is most galling is that the Brits seem to take their marching orders from The Bush League (perhaps they should declare their independence from the U.S.!). Now, go be a good ally and do what you're told! Roll over. Play dead. Good ally!

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#11)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 08:57:38 PM EST

Last time they did a trial run was the Philipines flight I believe, plane at least landed. I think they wanted to wait so they could get as much evidence as possible to make an air tight case but had that screwed up by DC pushing Pakistan to make an arrest. It forced the Brits hands and they had to move fast.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#12)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 09:11:50 PM EST

I'm sorry, but are you all FRIGGING CRAZY? Do you here the absolute stupidness coming out of your mouths? The dry run was supposed to be this weekend and the actual event on the 16th. You are so desperate to blame the Bush administration for anything and everything that you can't see for one minute how maybe some sensible people thought that it was time to blow the whistle? If you had this information and knew you were responsible for the lives of thousands of travelers, would YOU wait until the very last minute? Would YOU feel comfortable sitting on this information? What if you were mistaken and the date was the 15th, instead of the 16th and you let 3000 people get blown up, could you live with the guilt? Would anyone on this board protect the administration in that scenario and say it was understandable that they wanted to wait until the very last minute, even if they had blood on their hands? You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#13)
by mpower1952 on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 09:35:14 PM EST

I'm enjoying reading your back and forth on this new terror threat. However, at this point, we can't really be sure of anything we're being told. But thought you would like to know that my brother flew in to visit me today from NYC with a stopover in Atlanta. He forgot he had a half finished bottle of water in one of his carry-on bags. Now my family is of Italian descent, and my brother is quite dark, with long dark brown hair pulled back in a pony tail, dark bushy eyebrows, a gotee, and to top it all he dresses in black or dark colors. His bag did draw the agent's attention, and it was checked.. However, the 20oz bottle of water was missed (it was in the front pocket). The agent did remove the 5 packages of Stella D'Oro cookies and check his cd case. He was sent on his merry way, with the cookies. When he changed planes in Atlanta he had a half finished bottle of Coke in his bag. No one checked his carry-ons, I guess because he was already past the security check when he bought the Coke. Now don't you all feel safer and believe that Bush is doing all he can to protect us.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#14)
by Sailor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 10:24:06 PM EST

uhh, if the US was actually worried about binary liquid explosives then why did they have everyone dump their liquids into a common trash can? This is how bushco responds to a terror threat? By making sure that the explosives will be combined in a large public facility with larger than normal crowds?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#15)
by Alan on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 10:56:06 PM EST

This is not the first time this has happened. Hanbali, then in US custody, was needed for the prosecution of Abu Bakar Bashir. The US refused to make him available and Bashir was convicted only on minor charges. As a result Bashir, the spiritial leader JI, the group that organised the Bali bombings, is now a free man. US officials also blew the cover of double agent Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan in 2004. The apprehension of the latest London group is not a triumph for the White House. It was a British operation using traditional techniques of investigation and surveillance. It undermines the Republican line that war is the answer to terrorism. The White House cannot have been too concerned. Certainly it was not concerned enough to give this matter priority over the urgent need to clear brush on a certain hobby farm outside Crawford.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#16)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 05:52:04 AM EST

Fahrenam: No; they're war criminals. EVERYTHING The Bush League does is suspect on MULTIPLE levels because they have abdicated their responsibility as leaders of a democratic nation. They have no concern for the people whom they purport to represent; no concern for the law; only for their increasingly tenuous grasp on absolute power. When The Bush League collectively opens its mouth, expect the aural equivalent of spewed fecal matter coming your way.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#17)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:48:53 AM EST

Lavocat, the problem with letting your anger and hatred take over is that you stop being able to see things in a clear manner. This was a terrorist threat emerging from the UK. The fact that the two countries disagreed about when to arrest the suspects stems from different policing policies in the two countries, not from some sinister Bush plot to use this to his advantage. In the UK they can pick someone up and hold them for 28 days without charges, something that can't be done here. They are allowed more extensive surveillance than our laws allow, which makes them more likely to wait to arrest. The problem with this strategy is that there is always a chance it will slip through their fingers. In the July 2005 terrorist attack in London two of the bombers were already under active surveillance by the British police--it didn't stop them from killing a lot of people. What I find ridiculous is that no one stops to ask intelligent questions. Instead it's a knee jerk reaction that somewhere in the Washington someone is gleefully planning everything in such a way to screw over Americans. That mindset is destructive and just plain stupid. Oppose the current administration, by all means, but don't be so blind as to think that there aren't many intelligent, clear thinking Americans who don't necessarily agree with you.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#18)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:40:03 AM EST

First, let me note that you demonstrate no happiness, just complaints. That really gives me pause to consider who and why you are in your heart of hearts. Now. To business. Hmmm, so much inaccuracy and so little time. Sailor - No less an expert on such matters as Cymro has written:

One does not need to hate anyone to perceive their illegal actions.

The above was posted on 3/12/06 at 4:32PM. The subject was George Bush So you guys go ahead and convict George Bush based on nothing but your hatred for him. Me? I'll stick with convicting the terrorists in question. Last time I checked W has flew airplanes but never tried to blow 1 or 10 up. aw - You know, gathering intelligence is fine, but when you are putting 5000 or so civilian lives on the line, I would hope that our police would lean towards a conservative approach. And I am sure if they had waited, and if some people died you would be screaming about Bush and politics, etc. You see aw, we know you. Lighting writes:

And the 16th was a *trial run*, not the Main Event. Did they have detonaters? Explosives? Bottles with false bottoms? Or just "common household items"?

Nope. Wrong. Link for the following:

LONDON/ISLAMABAD: Investigation by British intelligence agents has revealed that Wednesday, August 16, was D-Day for the foiled terror attacks. Flight tickets for that day were reportedly found at one of the suspects' houses.

Steve Duncan writes:

These guys weren't getting near an airliner

Oh, really? Ready to bet the farm on someone else's life, eh? That's real big of you Steve.. Been a Detective for a long time, have you? Mpower - Where you been? I've been missing you.

However, at this point, we can't really be sure of anything we're being told.

I agree. There hasn't been any arrests. The British, US and Pakistan authorities are all lying. Let those innocent Moslem Terrorists GO! (That's sarcasm for you slower folks.) You wrote:

His bag did draw the agent's attention, and it was checked

So? Are you saying that no one else's bag was checked? BTW - Can you tell us why it is Bush's fault that a screener missed something in your relative's bag? And do you understand that once you go through security at one point, you don't have to go through again as long as you don't exit the "secured" area. (Although last week they were screening again at the gate as you entered the plane. I think that has stopped.) BTW - If you want to argue that the current system is not 100% effective you won't get an argument from me. Sailor - A good point about mixing/pouring the liquids. But unlike you I put it down to a dumb mistake rather than a political conspiracy by the evileeeee Rove and Bush. Alan - It is typical that double agents are exposed when their usefulness expires, or when it is better to expose them than use them. I also note that Juan Cole, from your link, doesn't seem to grasp the concept that just because someone else has made a mistake, you shouldn't make the same mistake.

The point remains that had Ridge not made his announcement, the press would have had no occasion to go searching for the source of his information.

Instead, the press immediately launches a witch hunt, even though their actions, if we are to believe your claim, will compound a terrible mistake by Ridge. Why do you condemn the Bush admin and not the press? I will answer. Because you are are concerned about the results, but because you want only to condemn the Bush administration. As to why Hanbali was not made available I do not know. And neither do you. I also wonder why the German court couldn't have taken testimony in private, or submitted written questions. That it would not cooperate is, again, evidence that Germany has forgotten who helped them.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#19)
by Bill Arnett on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:47:41 AM EST

"I'm sorry, but are you all FRIGGING CRAZY? Do you here [sic] the absolute stupidness coming out of your mouths? The dry run was supposed to be this weekend and the actual event on the 16th." by fahrenam --- At last! A soul-mate for ppj! Hurrah! And better yet he is just about as misinformed as ppj on one of his best rants. Actually, they had not yet purchased ANY airline tickets, for ANY date, much less this weekend or the 16th, and MOST of the would-be terrorists had not yet even obtained PASSPORTS. Hard as hell to blow up something for which you have neither a ticket nor the necessary travel documents to even BOARD. But please don't allow facts to get in your way, fehrenam, it's so much more entertaining reading ppj, and now you, when you are off on tangents that are only tangentially related to reality. And so reactionary as well! If Bush tells you to cower under your bed while he defends the universe from specious space invaders, I HEAR that collecting, sorting, and naming dust-bunnies can be a thoroughly entertaining hobby.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#20)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:59:24 AM EST

I'm a she, not a he. They were all British citizens. In the US you can get a passport in a single afternoon if you are a citizen, I assume it's similar in the UK. They were in the process of picking which flights they were going to target. The BRITISH spy who had infiltrated the group thought it was time to go ahead and arrest because it was to be that soon. Multiple news agencies have reported that the 16th was to be the day, with the dry runs this past Friday. And as I pointed out, last time the British waited a little too long on the tube/bus terrorists. they were under surveillance but still succeeded in blowing people up. But maybe that's what some of you would have wanted--the terrorists to succeed. Because if they killed thousands of people you would be able to sit there and rant about how Bush had done nothing to improve the safety of travelers. Instead you sit there and complain that they arrested the men too early. So, Bill, maybe you're the one that needs to check some facts.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#21)
by Sailor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:11:45 PM EST

In the US you can get a passport in a single afternoon if you are a citizen

That is flat out wrong:

After you apply - You will receive your passport:Ordinarily, if you paid additionally for expedited service and two-way overnight delivery within about 2 weeks

but it is as accurate as anything else this commenter has posted.

the evileeeee ole US

provide links where I or any other regular commenter has posted the US is evil. Or were you just lying again?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#22)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:26:51 PM EST

Bill Arnett:

At last! A soul-mate for ppj! Hurrah! And better yet he is just about as misinformed as ppj on one of his best rants.

farenham:

I'm a she, not a he.

Even better! You can marry.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#23)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:40:15 PM EST

Steve Duncan (see above) is right, and it's the key point in this thread. Anyone ignoring this point is not contributing anything useful to this discussion.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#24)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:40:44 PM EST

sailor - As usual you are incorrect. Link

American Passport Express is a nationally recognized non-government US passport service. We work with the US Passport Agency and foreign consulates to secure US passports and visas in as little as 24 hours.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#25)
by jen on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:42:06 PM EST

It was a UK investigation. They were investigating a UK terror threat by UK citizens on UK soil. What right did the US have to fark the UK law enforcement investigators plans? Would WE put up with that if THEY farked up an American investigation of American citizens by the FBI in CONUS?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#26)
by Alan on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:52:14 PM EST

ppj Said: As to why Hanbali was not made available I do not know. And neither do you. I also wonder why the German court couldn't have taken testimony in private, or submitted written questions. That it would not co-operate is, again, evidence that Germany has forgotten who helped them. Abu Bakar Bashir was tried before an Indonesian court. I am uncertain why assume that a German court has cognisance of a crime committed in Bali. Your partially correct in that the US also refused to make jihadi witnesses available to German courts in other trials. Another example of spin before action at all costs is that the US failed, for 5 months, to alert either Indonesia or Australia of the escape of Omar Al Faruq from Bagram Certainly neither of us know without doubt what motivates repeated US refusals to make witnesses available. Citizens are allowed to make their best guess. The Bush administration dealt with Katrina by doing nothing while NOLA drowned and spinning the media to give the appearance of action. Is there any reason a citizen should believe their performance on nationals security issues is different? Is it any accident that Cheny actually spoke to jounos on Wednesday about the Lamont/alQa'ida link and then US officials prematurely broke this news on Thursday?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#27)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 02:01:25 PM EST

Bill Arnett - No, as stated on a link utilized by blog, they had purchased tickets. And thank you for the introduction to Ms farenham. Ms farenham - Allow me to say that you make some stunningly correct statements, so you can expect to be talked down to, about and insulted in general. Pay little attention. You can get use to the whinning and nagging and they do offer some amusing thoughts from time to time. Rather like some teenagers who have just discovered their parents money make them both happy and ashamed because they have things others do not. Cymro - A cuddlesome suggestion, but alas I doubt that the lady would be interested in such an older man as I, and then there is the problem of being already married... ;-) "Speak for yourself, Cymro," comes to mind.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#28)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 02:36:45 PM EST

Alan - My mistake, I was thinking of another complaint.

Citizens are allowed to make their best guess. The Bush administration dealt with Katrina by doing nothing

But about the above complaint, I am not:

The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne." For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three. Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out. So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#29)
by Strick on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 03:10:04 PM EST

This from CNN seems to suggest there was a specific reason to shut the plot down: "The raids came as links to suspected terror operatives in Pakistan -- possibly connected to al Qaeda -- were emerging Saturday as key elements of the investigation. "Suspects in the UK received a coded message from Pakistan to 'attack now' as authorities there closed in on them, security sources have told CNN." How long would any rational law enforcement agency wait after that, assuming the CNN report is correct, of course. Wonder what convinced the Brits to go just then after resisting.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#30)
by Strick on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 03:55:20 PM EST

Sorry, the link to the CNN story I quote above didn't come though in the post. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/12/terror.plot/index.html

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#31)
by Sailor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 04:29:26 PM EST

ppj, you lied again, from your link:

You must appear in person at a court house or post office and present the list of items in Step 1 below to a passport acceptance agent (AA). The AA is needed to witness the signing of your application for passport. After signing in front of the AA, your application is sent to American Passport Express by FedEx.

You can't fedex there and back in 24 hours. And btw, the thread is about how the US blew an ongoing investigation for political purposes. And we proved that it did. Please try to stay on topic. And the US response to 'terrerist level red' was to make potential terrorists pour out their binary liquid explosives into the same container. Were they lying? Are they incompetent? All of the above

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#32)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 06:09:51 PM EST

Sailor - Lying? You do it regularly with your false claims. Now, the link goes to a website. Is the website correct? I don't know. Neither do you. Why don't you turn'em in for false advertising or something. My guess is that if you pay enough money they'll get the job done. Dedicated handling, etc., etc. It happens all the time in the business world when you're willing, and able, to produce the bucks. And you worry about topic? How about a little complaint about the snarky comment Cymro and Bill Arnett made on the lady and yours truly. But you're not honest enough to call'e, against both sides, eh? Guess you're just a homer, eh?

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#33)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 06:15:41 PM EST

Sailor, I once got a passport within 24 hours, so your information is wrong. Also, you incorrectly quoted me. You put in your message that I wrote

the evileeeee ole US provide links where I or any other regular commenter has posted the US is evil. Or were you just lying again? I never wrote that. You should be more careful it what you claim people have said. Particularly when it makes you out to be a hypocrite, since you are the liar in the situation. And by the way,

And btw, the thread is about how the US blew an ongoing investigation for political purposes. And we proved that it did. Please try to stay on topic. I'm sorry, but maybe I missed where you proved that. Just because you say it doesn't mean you've proved it. Nice try, though.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#34)
by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 06:18:25 PM EST

My quotes misfired on that last post. the two quotes were as follows:

the evileeeee ole US provide links where I or any other regular commenter has posted the US is evil. Or were you just lying again?

That's the one where you flat out lied and

And btw, the thread is about how the US blew an ongoing investigation for political purposes. And we proved that it did. Please try to stay on topic.

that's the one where you felt like just because you wrote it it's true.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#35)
by Alan on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:05:41 PM EST

The passport thing is an irrelevance. You cannot prove the speed with which British passports are issued by arguing the speed with which US passports are issued. It's a double irrelevance because these people were already known to the British police and, no matter how long it normally takes to process a UK passport application. those applications would have been flagged and the movements of the suspects were already being followed. There was no imminent danger and no need for a pre-emptive leak.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#36)
by John Mann on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:58:59 PM EST

Standard PPJ.

That's the one where you flat out lied

Well, Ms. Fahrenam, it sure didn't take you long to figure him out.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#37)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 07:38:20 AM EST

My guess is

'nuuf said, come back when you have facts.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#38)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 09:28:07 AM EST

Sailor - What a sweetheart you are! Let's review the facts. The link says they can do it. You, with zero proof say they can't and run around in circles calling people liars. Now. Until you can prove their statement wrong, I invite you to quit making dumb statements and calling everyone who you disagree with, a liar. Why? Because it makes you look stupid, and I do care about you, Sailor. BTW - I bet you are hell on the telephone with customer service reps. Really put'em in their place, eh? Get'em tiger! John Mann - Uh, in case you missed it, her comments were about Sailor!

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#39)
by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 09:36:50 AM EST

Steve Duncan.... Every good detective knows you roll up suspects as late as possible to snare everyone involved And you've been a detective for how long? I think that we (all of us) not actually knowing the behind the scenes info, are really not in a position to call where and when the arrests should have been made.... Well, those of us without a 'political' agenda anyway. mpower1952.... Now don't you all feel safer and believe that Bush is doing all he can to protect us So some local agent misses 1/2 bottle of coke & that's all Bush's fault? You guys on the left are truly amazing. Anything go wrong with your day today? Car didn't start...traffic jam.... McDonald's frys cold...??? If so, don't worry ... you can always blame Bush! Bill Arnett... Hard as hell to blow up something for which you have neither a ticket nor the necessary travel documents to even BOARD. So what are you saying exactly? There are innocent? It's all a mistake? They should have waited until they actually got on the planes? What? Sailor.... provide links where I or any other regular commenter has posted the US is evil. When all you do (by 'you' I mean the left in general) is complain...and claim the US is wrong at just about every level (from GW right on down ..) you don't actually have to say the word "evil" for most of us to get the hint! We are wrong about the war... Wrong about how we treat prisoners.. Wrong on our ME policies.. etc...etc..etc..& on & on & on.... blah...blah Wrong about everything...is not what I would call "good"... would you? Jen.... What right did the US have to fark the UK law enforcement investigators plans? It's only the left claiming that they did!

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#40)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 10:52:15 AM EST

I'll stick with convicting the terrorists in question.

ppj has come a long way since he just wanted to torture and kill them.

Let's review the facts. The link says they can do it.

Stop the gratuitious personal attacks and try to stay on topic, I'd be happy to discuss the impossibility with you on an open thread.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#41)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 12:08:32 PM EST

Sailor - You are now famous for making comments that can be easily proved wrong. And I'll be happy to discuss anything with you at anytime.

Re: NBC News: US and UK Disagreed on Timing for Te (none / 0) (#42)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 01:13:34 PM EST

stop the personal attacks and try to stay on topic. Just to humor your poor overstressed brain, I'll give you a hint: read the fine print. They promise to 'expedite' your applicatiion, and to file the application that day. Not that you have a passport in 24 hours. Your willingness to go off topic and inability to read are really doing you no favors on this topic. But you'd rather distract from the actual topic because you would rather lie than have anh honest debate. Notice how ppj has nothing except personal attacks and aspersions ... one almost would think he does it deliberately to distract from the discussion of how bush blew an investigation for political purposes.

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