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Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday

Finally some good news from the middle east. The Wall St. Journal reports the Israeli cabinet has agreed to halt the Lebanon war at 7am Monday. Hezbollah has agreed to abide by the U.N. to cease-fire resolution.

Here is the text of the resolution. The next steps are here.

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  • Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 01:43:29 PM EST
    This news, and the failure of the 8/16 plot, mean that the Neocons have had a really, really bad week.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#2)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 05:23:36 PM EST
    Let the land grabbing begin.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#3)
    by soccerdad on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:00:33 PM EST
    dont count on monday
    As the fighting intensified, senior Israeli officials remained at odds over how long it would continue. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said she expected the campaign to end on Monday, but the officer commanding the campaign, Major General Dan Halutz, said that he expected it to go on for another week.
    snip
    Halutz said the ceasefire would begin when the UN soldiers had taken control of southern Lebanon. 'We will continue to operate until we achieve our aims. We are fighting Hizbollah and will continue to fight it until a ceasefire is decided, but more than that, until it is decided what the mechanism for implementing [that ceasefire] is,' he said.
    link will anybody hold Israel to the cease fire. Didn't think so.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#4)
    by Sailor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 07:16:37 PM EST
    EDL, water, not land.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 08:05:34 PM EST
    Will anyone hold Hizbollah to the cease fire? No. Will anyone fault them for it besides the Americans and Israelis if they renege on it - No.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#6)
    by Sailor on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 10:17:30 PM EST
    Marc, got links?

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#7)
    by Andreas on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 11:39:10 PM EST
    The WSWS writes:
    One of the most significant features of Israel's wars of aggression in Gaza and Lebanon is the unanimity between the so-called "hawks" and movements that in the past were considered "doves." Peace Now has remained largely silent over Israel's massive assault on Hamas and the Palestinians in Gaza, ongoing since June. In the case of Lebanon, from the moment full-scale hostilities began in July following Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers, Peace Now declared its support for the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) and the Olmert government.
    War now, peace later: Israel's doves line up behind war - Part one By Jean Shaoul, 12 August 2006

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 06:06:01 AM EST
    I agree with Ernesto. The Israelis got the asswhuppin' of a decade or so and the Zionists in the U.S. and Israel can't beg for a time-out quick enough. Spin, Condi, spin! No worries, once they get a breather to import all that much-needed American hardware, the Zionists will be ready for Round 2 - on their terms, of course. "They were so much STRONGER than we ever imagined. So much more resilient to our overwhelming manpower, firepower, fill-in-the-blank power!" ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, it's sooooooo much easier to play the bully and bloody noses than it is to take a really good assbeating, isn't it!!?? Tut-tut! Time for the Zionists to topple another Israeli government, I suspect. That last war just wasn't bloody enough. Also, ya gotta love the irony: America resupplying Israel - an occupier of Arabs lands and in a perpetual state of war with just about all of its neighbors - is just fine and dandy. But Iran resupplying Hezbollah is evidence of terrorism in action. Ooooooooh, terrorism!!!!! Yet another example of my freedom-fighter is your terrorist. Yada yada yada.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#9)
    by theologicus on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:22:45 AM EST
    Not all of Israel's doves are lined up behind the war. Uri Avnery and Gush Shalom (Israel Peace Bloc), for example, have taken a courageous stand for peace. They are a voice of sanity in a deranged time.
    So one general has been Replaced by another. So we shall reach The Litani. And then what? Hizbullah Will continue to exist. The rockets Will continue to fly. The border Will not be quiet. There is only A political solution. There is no Military solution.
    Ad published in Haaretz, August 13, 2006

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:37:59 AM EST
    An Israeli perspective from Ari Shavit (Haaretz)
    ....one thing should be clear: If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day. Chutzpah has its limits. You cannot lead an entire nation to war promising victory, produce humiliating defeat and remain in power. You cannot bury 120 Israelis in cemeteries, keep a million Israelis in shelters for a month, wear down deterrent power, bring the next war very close, and then say - oops, I made a mistake. That was not the intention. Pass me a cigar, please.
    via Josh Marshall

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#11)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:53:59 AM EST
    The reasoning for the destruction of Lebanon now becomes clear thanks to Seymour Hersh
    Hersh's intelligence and diplomatic sources tell him that the reason for this hands-off reaction was that George Bush and Dick Cheney already knew about Israeli plans for a bombing campaign against Hezbollah's underground missile complexes and were convinced that it could both increase Israel's security and serve as a prelude to a American pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear installations. The White House also wanted Hezbollah stripped of the ability to retailiate against Israel in the wake of an American attack on Iran. As one U.S. government consultant told Hersh, "The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits. Why oppose it? We'll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran."
    link So it all makes sense here are the important questions 1. before or after elections? 2. If before do they need another terrorist strike in US to justify attack on Iran? 3. Nukes [bunker busters] or no nukes?

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#12)
    by theologicus on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:18:06 AM EST
    Why Seymour Hersh's New Article Matters (essential reading, linked above by soccerdad) From a post at ret. CIA veteran Larry Johnson's No Quarter:
    Former Ambassador Richard Holbrooke yesterday said that he was glad to get a chance to speak out on the current Middle East crises. Holbrooke told NPR's Day to Day that he "believes the continued U.S.-led occupation of Iraq and the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon could spark a wider regional war -- and that it's a bigger threat than the Cuban Missile Crisis."
    Does the announced "cease-fire" really have a chance?

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:47:41 AM EST
    For all those who embrace the tough talk and tactics of Bush and the neocons, here's something to ponder:
    Recent US intelligence community analyses raise the question: What would change Hezbollah's current posture of standing on the sidelines and not actively targeting Americans? In April , the community produced a National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism, which, according to people who have read it , says that Hezbollah is the only major terrorist group with global reach currently not trying to kill Americans. The document also raised the intelligence community's concern that, if the United States were to attack Iran over its nuclear program, Iran might use Hezbollah to strike US targets once again.
    linked text Bring 'em on? So we can be safer? Idiots all caught on in some kinda caveman delusion/fantasy. Boston Globe

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 11:56:28 AM EST
    Here is the link to above Boston Globe article

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#15)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 12:01:31 PM EST
    Does the announced "cease-fire" really have a chance?
    answer
    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel believes it will be entitled to use force to prevent Hizbollah from rearming and to clear guerrilla positions out of southern Lebanon after a U.N. truce takes effect, Israeli officials said on Sunday.
    Obviously the answer is no

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#16)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 12:02:29 PM EST
    link for previous quote

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 12:06:30 PM EST
    So, Lavocat, do you believe Israel should be dismantled and handed over to the arabs? That's what it sounds like, just wanted to clarify.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 12:24:31 PM EST
    Money quote from the Hersh article by John Arquilla, a defense analyst at the Naval Postgraduate School:
    ".... The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result."


    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#19)
    by theologicus on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 01:14:09 PM EST
    More from Hersh's article:
    Nonetheless, some officers serving with the Joint Chiefs of Staff remain deeply concerned that the Administration will have a far more positive assessment of the air campaign than they should, the former senior intelligence official said. "There is no way that Rumsfeld and Cheney will draw the right conclusion about this," he said. "When the smoke clears, they'll say it was a success, and they'll draw reinforcement for their plan to attack Iran." ... ...The Western diplomat told me his embassy believes that Abrams has emerged as a key policymaker on Iran, and on the current Hezbollah-Israeli crisis ... ...." The crisis will really start at the end of August, the diplomat added, "when the Iranians"--under a United Nations deadline to stop uranium enrichment--"will say no." ...
    I think the final scene from Neville Shute's novel On the Beach was of a banner flappng in the wind: "There is still time, brothers."

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 03:07:16 PM EST
    So, Lavocat, do you believe Israel should be dismantled and handed over to the arabs?
    So, fahrenam, do you believe the US should nuke every country in the world that has muslims in it? That's what it sounds like, just wanted to clarify.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#21)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 06:16:42 PM EST
    fahrenam, It's called the two-state solution. One significant obstruction to this is Israel's refusal to allow the return of palestinians who fled the occupation.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 09:37:45 PM EST
    Fahrenham: Nah. Let'em remain in a state of permanent war. It's so much more fun that way. Let's just say I'm a Green Line man. Once the Israelis get back behind it - ALL of it (that inclides East Jerusalem and all of those "security settlements")- I really have no problem with them. Until then, let the katyushas fly, baby!

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:00:55 PM EST
    Looks like the Israelies are now saying something like: 'we will stop our offensive when someone makes us stop. Until then we will continue to the Litani killing everything that moves.' I paraphrased but that's essentially the plan. WaPo

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 10:03:46 AM EST
    Marc.... Sailor sez.... Marc, got links? Yeah Marc...! Forget about the past & the fact that hezbollah attacked Isreal in the first place.... Got any link to show they will do that in the future..? LMAO! Lavocat.... Yet another example of my freedom-fighter is your terrorist. Yada yada yada. Yeah... launching missles into Isreal (after killing & kidnapping their soldiers on thier own land) is truly the mark of a "freedom fighter" Next time, why not lead us all in a little cheerleading chant on your post? That's about all you left out. Rah Rah Rah....go Hezbolaaah! let the katyushas fly, baby! There ya go...that's getting better! Squeaky.... If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day. Oh...I see... in the bizzarro world (that you live in?) ...Olmert & Isreal started this? Hezbollah did nothing wronG? Or this bizzarro world gem...: Hezbollah is the only major terrorist group with global reach currently not trying to kill Americans Hello...? Hezbollah has been targeting Americans for decades. Wake up! The fact that they aren't (addmitting to) doing it now matters to you? By all means, let's not get them mad at us now! No reason (in your world) to not get pushed around by a bunch of terrorists thugs. If we would just do what they want..... right? (Hezbollah is responsible for many American deaths, including over 200 Marines when blowing up their barracks in Lebanon in the early 80's)

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#25)
    by soccerdad on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 10:20:51 AM EST
    Hezbollah is responsible for many American deaths, including over 200 Marines when blowing up their barracks in Lebanon in the early 80's)
    BB continues to sling the craap hoping something sticks. The bombings were in 1983, Hezbollah was not formed until 1985
    Yeah... launching missles into Isreal (after killing & kidnapping their soldiers on thier own land) is truly the mark of a "freedom fighter"
    Responding to that by destroying an country and its infrastructure killing 1000 ,2/3 of which were civilains are signs of an immoral regime guilty of war crimes.

    Re: Israel to Halt Lebanon War at 7 am Monday (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 10:48:29 AM EST
    apparently bb doesn't have any l.ink either, hence the personal attack.
    Forget about the past & the fact that hezbollah attacked Isreal in the first place
    Actually israel and the US had already planned the war and just needed an excuse. And capturing 2 soldiers is not an excuse a rational person would accept for bombing cities with anti personnel weapons. 900+ lebanese civilians dead, around 30 israeli civilians dead, not to mention all of the lebanese territory israel is now occupying.