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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 08:56:36 AM EST
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From Media Matters:

From the November 14 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: . . . What is noteworthy is that Keith [Ellison] is the first Muslim in history to be elected to the House of Representatives. . . .

[BECK to ELLISON] OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I've been to mosques. I really don't believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked, quite frankly.

With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

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    The earth is now home to..... (4.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Edger on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:26:38 PM EST
    "The earth is now home to about 1.4 billion Muslims, many of whom believe that one day you and I will either convert to Islam, live in subjugation to a Muslim caliphate, or be put to death for our unbelief."

    This is an accurate statement of an Islamic article of faith; but so too is this statement:

    "The earth is now home to about 1.3 billion Roman Catholics, many of whom believe that one day you and I will either convert to Catholicism, live in subjugation to Holy Mother Church, or be banished to the depths of hell for all eternity."

    It's accurate to say that most Catholics "believe" this statement, but actually most Catholics, particularly American Catholics, might likely diminish the importance of this statement as "anti-social", or "needlessly divisive", or as a vestige of ancient Catholic dogma no longer relevant.
    ...
    Similarly, most American Muslims would also recognize the historic accuracy of Harris' statement above as a matter of dogma; but I suggest they would likewise deny its importance to the contemporary practice of their Islamic faith. It is an extreme minority (Islamists) like Sayyid Qutb, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Osma bin Laden, who cherry-pick the Kuran to justify the bloody flag of fundamentalism.
    ...
    The CIA estimates that 1% of the U.S. population is Muslim -- about 2.5 million Americans organized in about one thousand mosques across the country. Isn't it remarkable that there has been no orchestrated incidents of Muslim violence in the United States, no mass protests, no act of organized terror perpetrated by Islamic Americans?

    Shouldn't we attribute the fact that there has been no terrorist act committed in the U.S. since 9/11, at least in apart, to the peaceful nature of Islamic American communities and their respect for U.S. law?


    From: Deconstructing Christianity, By Bob Philbin, Oct 16, 2006

    Nation of Islam (1.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:07:09 AM EST
    When did Ellison renounce the Nation of Islam, or Farrakhan?  When did he distance himself from the ugly anti-semitism and racism of that group?  When did he distance himself from CAIR, which has had four board members charged with terrorist ties?

    Until Ellison does all of those things, Beck's questions may sound harsh, but they are fair questions.

    You might want to check before accusing (none / 0) (#7)
    by aw on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:13:59 AM EST
    He has

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    Thanks for the link. (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:52:17 AM EST
    Thanks for the link.

    Ellison, 43, a state representative, has said his work for the Nation of Islam consisted of an 18-month drive to organize Minnesota's role in the 1995 Million Man March, a widely embraced effort to empower black men economically and socially.

    Ellison's account has been extensively reported, but the assertion of an 18-month affiliation does not entirely sum up his relationship with the organization.

    In the late 1980s and early 1990s, as a law student at the University of Minnesota, Ellison was among those who brought speakers to campus who railed against Jews, Israel and often white Americans -- attacks that had little to do with black empowerment.

    Yet, Ellison is causing fresh concerns for some voters. He recently went to Florida to raise campaign funds at a party hosted by an official of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a group accused by U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and others of alliances with terrorists. The council is running a TV commercial in Minnesota vigorously denying such ties.

    In politics you are who you associate with, and who you take money from.

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    You might also be known as the... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:32:36 AM EST
    ...freely elected representative of the people who know him best, his constituents, and far be it from me to question a person's right to vote for whomever they choose.

    Only time will tell if he is a good representative but he is a representative nonetheless, and I don't buy into the "In politics you are who you associate with, and who you take money from" line at all.

    Every politician spends a lot of their time soliciting money for the next election and I'm sure that there are many times they hold their nose and accept money from people they don't like; that doesn't necessarily mean that they back every idea from every contributor.

    Besides, I would rather wait and see what the man does before leaping to possibly false conclusions

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    Look around (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:40:03 PM EST
    Really? So you're okay with Byrd being in the KKK? Lott and his little "feel good comment?"

    And CAIR isn't just another PAC for heavens sake.

    Come on Bill, look around and see what the deal is.
    You are smarter than what you pretend.

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    Yes (1.00 / 1) (#17)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:07:03 PM EST
    Ellison engaged in completely out of bounds anti-semitism.  CAIR - who he accepts as an ally - is a radical organization with 4 former officers charged with terrorist related activities.  

    Until he renounces CAIR, and actually renounces (not "apologizes for") his virulent anti-semitism, I'll take his past performance as reality.  I don't trust  Ellison with power any more than I'd trust David Duke with power.  Ellison has distanced himself from Islamic radicalism every bit as Duke has from his Klan past - which is to say, not very much at all.

    David Duke was soundly rejected by... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:16:53 PM EST
    ...the electorate. Ellison was duly and properly elected.

    You are comparing apples and ostriches.

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    Duly means squat (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:37:18 PM EST
    So was Castro, Hugo and "others."

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    Where did they find this guy? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Red Hog on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:46:55 AM EST
    I wonder how many times Glen had his butt kicked in grammer school?  Evidently not enough.  The scariest thing about Glen Beck is that there is actually enough of a market for his idiot-ology that CNN considers him viable programming.

    What a phallus (none / 0) (#2)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:50:15 AM EST


    beck and reality (none / 0) (#3)
    by oldtree on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:53:50 AM EST
    he must create his own reality, because his viewers have none of their own.
    what is sad is that the hatred of beck comes out at someone via religion and politics.   I wonder why he thinks someone is better due to their religion or politics?

    I find it repellant that anyone talks about religion at all.  but it is the easiest way to spot a loser.  anyone that puts magic ahead of facts should be tagged for what they are,  a cretin.

    note how creation and cretin are so similar?   a nukular relation

    What? (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:00:47 AM EST
    Have you no sense of decency Mr. Beck?  Such an assinine statement is unworthy of a response.

    Oh the irony....anyone working towards peace must be a terrorist!

    I love the standard bigot disclaimer..."I have lots of muslim friends BUT..."

    gentlemen............... (none / 0) (#6)
    by cpinva on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:09:42 AM EST
    lest we forget, mr. beck is a "recovering alcoholic". alcohol kills brain cells. since alcoholics generally consume far more than the average person, it's reasonable to conclude they lose far more gray matter than the average person. this substantive loss clearly affects the way the analytical mind functions.

    anyone listening to mr. beck will immediately note that the effects of his loss of brain matter are readily apparent, because he tends to make no sense whatever. his use of the classic "prove a negative" ploy is just one of many instances of this. that anyone would take him seriously tells you far more about his audience, than him.

    i think i've figured out how to be a highly compensated political pundit: first, become addicted to a drug, any drug. then, start spewing meaningless gibberish, lies, distortions, whatever. pretty soon, i'll have my own radio & tv shows, and be pulling in the big bucks. :)

    Right... (none / 0) (#8)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:25:44 AM EST
    "Ellison apologized, in a letter to the Jewish Community Relations Council, for dismissing concerns that the campus speakers were spreading hate. He also has denounced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has made inflammatory statements disparaging Jews and others."

    Just as Trent Lott apologized - which I didn't buy, either.  He has yet to renounce CAIR, which is little more than a terrorist front organization. Let me know when he does that - and let me know when you start taking similar "apologies" from people like Lott, Falwell (et. al.) seriously.  Ellison's "apology" is of a piece with those.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:42:10 AM EST
    Well said.

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    If you knew in advance (none / 0) (#10)
    by aw on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:42:41 AM EST
    that his apology and denunciation wouldn't matter to you anyway, why did you ask?

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    Basicly because it is far easier... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:38:43 AM EST
    ...to cast aspersions against a person than to display a little patience and see what the man actually does in office, which should be the measure by which he is judged, but that takes too long.

    It's s-o-o-o-o much easier to leap to possibly false conclusions and smear someone, which IS the republican way and the level to which they have reduced political discourse.

    Mornin', aw.

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    Tolerance? (none / 0) (#14)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:54:05 AM EST
    Hey Bill - shall we elect (supposedly former) Nazis then, and not hold them accountable for any of their statements, too?  Do we have to ignore a man's entire past only when he comes with a "D" after his name?

    Just what (none / 0) (#15)
    by aw on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:01:17 PM EST
    did this guy do except engage in political activities?  That's enough to compare him to a nazi?  


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    By the way (none / 0) (#16)
    by aw on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:04:14 PM EST
    Is it okay to say somebody is being completely hysterical?

    Good morning to you, Bill.

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    It's a duck. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 07:41:01 AM EST
    Well, you know if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck...

    It's a duck.

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    Uh (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:55:12 PM EST
    Uh, it is who he danced with and what he did/said that is the question.

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    This is just too silly a question to... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:13:52 PM EST
    ...entertain or contemplate answering.

    I mean exactly what the very plain words I used mean in common usage, not what people wish to twist them to be.

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    Love (none / 0) (#22)
    by Peaches on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:36:45 PM EST
    "I'm going to say something corny; I believe I'm here to put love in the world,"

    --Keith Ellison

    I ain't never heard no nazi say something something corny as that. Thats two Jim, I'm still counting.

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    Cheap (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:47:36 PM EST
    Peaches - Talk is cheap. He needs to distance himself from CAIR. Until he does everyone and anyone has the right to question where his head and heart is.

    And that includes Beck.

    BTW - Need I remind all that Kennedy had to disavow the Pope?

    If it was good enough for JFK it certainly is good eough for Keith Ellison.

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    Duly Elected? (none / 0) (#20)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:38:12 PM EST
    So what if he was duly elected?  That immunizes him from criticism?  This must be a new Democratic standard for speech: no criticism of elected (Democratic) officials.  

    Not new (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:44:52 PM EST
    No, it is not a NEW standard.

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    CAIR is not terrorist (none / 0) (#21)
    by Sailor on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:42:22 PM EST
    CAIR - who he accepts as an ally - is a radical organization with 4 former officers charged with terrorist related activities.  
    the  Council on American-Islamic Relations is not a terrorist organization ... no mtter how much certain commenters here insist on bashing the religoion of over a billion people.

    That's like saying the Catholic Church is a a pedophile organization due to all the priests charged.

    And btw, the American public is made up of the same percentage of jews as muslims.

    I don't know why you guys hate Americans.

    You are (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:44:06 PM EST
    I'd say you are who you're members are.

    The fact that Islam has a billion members is meaningless when CAIR is being discussed. I mean, what's your point? That if the organization is large, what the members do is not to be questioned?

    Wow, Sailor.

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    CAIR (none / 0) (#23)
    by jarober on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:07:16 PM EST
    Four officers of CAIR have been charged with aiding terrorists.  Go ahead - explain how that was an accident.  CAIR is a fellow traveler for the global jihad.  Anyone associated with them has questionable ethics at the very least.

    George bush attacked ... (4.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Sailor on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:21:25 PM EST
    ... a country that had no WMDs and no ability to attack the US and no ties to terrorism. gwb lied and his lies and incompetence have killed 5000+ Americans and 150,000+ iraqis.

    Anyone who is supports him has proven they have no ethics and are willing to kill Americans for a nothing but lies.

    Can ya see the strawmen laughing at you?

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