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Obama Makes Electability Argument . . . For Edwards

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:06:09 PM EST
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Via Taylor Marsh (also Newsday), Obama said:

"I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats, we've done that in 2004, 2000." - Barack Obama

Whatever you say Senator Obama. I guess Edwards is the choice:

Hillary Clinton 48 FAV, 50 UNFAV
Barack Obama 43 FAV, 51 UNFAV
John Edwards 49 FAV, 42 UNFAV

Time to end the "electability" arguments Senator Kumbaya.

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    I take back my wish for your to (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:13:05 PM EST
    be freezing in Des Moines.  Here I am stuck in CO on dial-up and you are doing a terrific job of keeping me entertained.  Thanks.  

    P.S.  Eisenhower Tunnel is now open.

    There was zero chance (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:16:59 PM EST
    I was going to Iowa.

    South Carolina, maybe.

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    I prefer warmer climes also. (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:20:34 PM EST
    Here's my latest brainstorm:  you and Molly Bloom should get busy writing the script for an Obama-esque version of The War Room.  

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    Obama is burying himself (none / 0) (#2)
    by MarkL on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:15:50 PM EST
    I'm glad that he is legitimately crashing and burning (I hope!) rather than failing because of a fake controversy like the Dean Scream.

    If Obama (none / 0) (#4)
    by RalphB on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:19:14 PM EST
    crashes and burns, he will have done it to himself.
    Now that's as bad as the anti-hillary stuff (none / 0) (#6)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:24:08 PM EST
    Taylor didn't confirm that. she got that from a "reader"

    Thats as bad as Melonie Morgan saying Hillary killed Kathleen Willey cats.

    Now, it's only a couple of more days, are you going to blow your NonOfficialCover before then ??

    When has Talyor made something up? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:29:35 PM EST
    I know she is irrational in her dislike of Obama but I would like to see someone demonstrate where she published a falsehood?

    Besides, Obama HAD said things like that before.

    And the biggest besides, I wanted to write this clever post.

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    She didn't make it up (none / 0) (#12)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:39:37 PM EST
    I didn't say Taylor made it up.

    I said its as bad as M Morgan "reporting" what a PI "confirmed."

    Besides I'm not comparing Taylor to Morgan, I'm comparing unsubstantiated, prejudicial statements made by a 3rd party.

    I don't care about Obama, I predicted his defeat 3 months ago, calling him a "bum."  If you have a similar quote, I'll be happy to further denounce Obama. Sheesh.

    As to clever, don't even think your half as clever as Taylor - certainly your post didn't reflect her wit.

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    Well (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:40:32 PM EST
    Newsday now reporting same.

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    not really (none / 0) (#19)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:49:18 PM EST

    Making an argument for his electability, Obama said, "I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats -- we've done that in 2004, 2000," according to a person at the event (rush transcript).

    source

    see, you have sweet, sweet people here (and at elsewhere) thinking you're an Obama supporter.  Shame on, you!  Harrumph!

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    Here's the thing (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:54:27 PM EST
    Everyone can read and see I have huge problems with Obama's political style.

    I hope folks can see that I am far from passionate about him. The reverse. I am holding my nose.

    But he REMAINS the Media darling. And would be in a GE.

    Policy wise none of the three has much difference, except for me, with Edwards' penchant to bad populist policies.

    Edwards political style is the one I favor most.

    I think Hillary is treated like crap by the Media and the blogs. Unfairly so.

    But personally, I detest no one more than the Obama Cult.

    So I admit I really enjoy tweaking them.  

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    Touchy, Touchy (none / 0) (#26)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:00:05 PM EST
    where did you sense of humor go??

    you may need to tie a string around it, since you keep losing it.  Sheesh!

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    BTW (none / 0) (#27)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:01:04 PM EST
    I think Hillary is treated like crap by the Media and the blogs. Unfairly so.

    Either tell us something funny or tell us something we don't already know!

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    on a serious note (none / 0) (#28)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:05:15 PM EST
    where you P.O. when Hillary undercut NAFTA in the last two debates??

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    Nah (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:09:03 PM EST
    That's just posing.

    Edwards is serious about it.

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    I like Edwards as a campaigner (none / 0) (#31)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:18:27 PM EST
    I have a colleague who says he was incredible in a court room.  And he seems to be a good husband.  That said, I'm not sure which is the real Edwards: the populist or the one who voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2000.

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    That's easy (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:22:29 PM EST
    Elizabeth is the real Edwards

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    I disagree Obama does not have the highest Unfav (none / 0) (#39)
    by mdiogu on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 07:26:24 PM EST
    I agree with you 100% about Edwards. He has changed his position on everything he stood for as a senator. Also, Rasmussen is not a poll that one can rely on.

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    I doubt it (none / 0) (#33)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:24:09 PM EST
    In the Senate he was about as pro trade as any Democrat from North Carolina could be.

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    Okay, I'll bite (none / 0) (#34)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:26:24 PM EST
    "I detest no one more than the Obama Cult."

    What's the story there?  Sounds juicy?

    C'mon, tell us what you did in the 2008 campaign wars, daddy??!!

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    Actually (none / 0) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:29:56 PM EST
    I detest there idiocy and cult like behavior regarding Obama.

    Plus, I left Daily Kos in the midst of an Obama war.

    But they continue to be the stupidest group of people I have seen in the blogs.

    They have done more to destroy the efficacy of the blogosphere than any other group.

    I fully expect them to walk away from the elections this year if Obama is not the nominee. Not all of them of course, but alot.

    Simply bizarre behavior.


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    Smart people go loopy (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:34:42 PM EST
    It would be funny if it weren't sad.

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    Not funny (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:39:38 PM EST
    It is the very problem we discussed all year long.

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    I suspect they are the same anti-war people (none / 0) (#38)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:41:35 PM EST
    who supported Kucinich in 2003 and tried to tell Dean supporters he wasn't the true anti-war candidate. Before that they probably voted for a man named Ralph.

    What they don't understand it is, if they want to change things it takes more than one election and  one candidate. it is going to require straight ticket voting up and down the ballot.

    Otherwise it will just be more stalemate.  

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    BTD, don't you think this is a bit insulting (none / 0) (#40)
    by mdiogu on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 07:37:41 PM EST
    I am an Obama supporter, I had the same ferver when I supported Clark in 04. I maxed out for Clark and will do the same for Obama.

    I voted for Kerry in the GE but I bet, the Dems will have the white House had Clark been the nominee or even the VP instead that phony John Edwards.

    I was right then and Obama will be vindicated. I am more worried if you will vote for Obama because you trash him at MyDd and everyway you go which to me is a bizzare behavior.

    I knew you then and I still respect you but your turn against Obama is a bit over the top and it bothers me because I knew you as a man of great integrity and fairness. Otherwise, I will not even make this comments.

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    Edwards is Phony and dishonest because (none / 0) (#41)
    by mdiogu on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 07:47:05 PM EST
    When Clark 2004 won Oklahoma by over 1000 votes, instead of conceeding he claimed that he won Oklohama and in NH when Clark beat him to be the third behind Kerry and Dean in the primary he claimed that he instead him John Edwards was third. Clark beat him by over 1000 votes. You were there.

    Now the polls have him down and sinking he denounses the polls. That is John Edwards. He was a liar then, he is a liar now.

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    Is that worse than giving (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:27:55 PM EST
    Socks (sp) to Ms. Currie?

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    What? (none / 0) (#10)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:32:27 PM EST
    Sock was Chelsea's pet and she was going overseas.  Bill has long time allergies.

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    What do you mean? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:42:43 PM EST
    Everyone knows Socks knew too much about Vince Foster's murder....

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    Oh Gawd (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:58:33 PM EST
    I can hear the hillary-killed-vince foster-park-bench zombies rising from their trunks.

    I imagine scaife is reanimating Larry Klayman as we read.

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    Socks 2001 (none / 0) (#16)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:45:51 PM EST
    when the clinton's left the WH in 2001 the gave Sock away to Betty Currie.

    Gee, don't you read 20 newspapers a day, like the rest of us ;)

    cheers!

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    I thought everyone read 20 blogs a day (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:47:12 PM EST


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    Great description by Jeff Toobin (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:50:58 PM EST
    in The Nine of a disgruntled former White House lawyer who set up with his laptop in his place in D.C.  Toobin deemed him nothing more than a gloried blogger.  Nothing about pjs.  

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    I think my favorite part.. (none / 0) (#9)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:30:55 PM EST
    I think my favorite part is Taylor's drudge-like excitement:

    "No one has reported on this yet."

    Taylor there's funny and then there's funny.

    She should have attached a "BREAKING" banner with a police siren.

    Heh (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:32:35 PM EST
    Well, a lot of people are excitable this time of year.

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    question on your MyDD diary (none / 0) (#15)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:44:22 PM EST
    Flipping through the riotous MyDD diaries, I came across your post:  "Axelrod reinforces Obama's worst political instincts."  Which instincts?

    The Kumbaya schtick (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:46:24 PM EST


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    Doubting I'll ever be able to sing that (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:52:23 PM EST
    song again.  Never liked it anyhow.

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    Will YOU make up your line (none / 0) (#23)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:55:19 PM EST
    Will YOU make up your -line- I mean, mind!

    Is it instinct or is it schtick?

    Is he a fool or is he a fake?

    remember, you're going to have to defend Hill or JRE for the next 10 months.

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    The INSTINCT (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 06:56:38 PM EST
    is to rely on the SCHTICK.

    Did you REALLY miss that?

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    yeah I did. (none / 0) (#30)
    by RedHead on Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 07:13:14 PM EST
    my bad. I have always thought of fakes as people hiding or disguising underlying instincts, among other things.   But yes, putting on a mask can be an instinctive trait.

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