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Lieberman, Peretz and Mark Steyn Sitting In a Tree, Hanging Some Arabs

Glenn Greenwald links to a remarkable piece by Jeff Goldberg in the New Yorker on the lyingest liar in Washington, DC, Joe Lieberman. While Glenn basically exposes that Joe Lieberman is Marty Peretz's bigot twin:

Joe Lieberman believes, accurately, that he can openly praise Mark Steyn's foreign policy "theories" (embraced just as enthusiastically by the right-wing blogosphere and Marty Peretz) because -- while everyone to the left of The New Republic is deemed to be a fringe, untouchable radical -- there is no such thing as a right-wing pundit too extreme or pernicious to be declared out of the mainstream.

Jeff Goldberg demonstrates, again, what a liar Lieberman is:

In the campaign, Lieberman said that he would join the Democratic caucus if elected, and his victory was the deciding one that gave the Democrats control of the Senate. But he told me recently that his attachment to the Party is based in some measure on sentiment, and should not necessarily be thought of as eternal.

Yes, just another lie to the voters of Connecticut, what else is new? But Goldberg also demonstrates what a pathetic loser Joe is:

“A lot of Democrats are essentially pacifists and somewhat isolationist,” he told me. . . . Lieberman was not willing to say whether he would remain a Democrat if the Party cut off funding for the war. “That would be stunning to me,” he said. “And very hurtful. And I’d be deeply affected by it. Let’s put it that way.”

He would be hurt? WTF? Is he out of his freaking mind? But it gets worse:

Lieberman . . . said, “A Senate-passed resolution of disapproval for this new strategy in Iraq would give the enemy some encouragement, some feeling that—well, some clear expression that the American people were divided.” . . .Lieberman said, he would “make a plea” to his colleagues on Petraeus’s behalf to defeat it. “If, God forbid, you are unable to succeed, then there will be plenty of time for the resolutions of disapproval.”

As Lieberman spoke, Clinton’s mask of equanimity seemed to slip for a moment, until she could assimilate the idea that Lieberman had, in essence, accused the Democratic Party of encouraging America’s enemies.

When it was her turn to respond, Clinton spoke with heat: “I very sincerely but wholeheartedly disagree with those who are trying to once again up the rhetoric about our position in Iraq instead of taking a hard look about what will actually, on the ground, change the behavior and actions of this Iraqi government.”

. . . Three days after the hearing, I went to see Lieberman in his office. . . . I asked him if he thought that Democrats who voted for the resolution would truly be giving encouragement to the enemy. “The enemy believes—Ahmadinejad has said this repeatedly—that we don’t have the will anymore for a long battle,” he said, referring to the President of Iran.

When I asked him if he understood why Hillary Clinton might have reacted the way she did, he said, “I can’t explain why she did that.” Then he shook his head, apparently in sorrow.

What a sorry specimen this less than a man, this craven lying loser, is. This man who cheers killings in movies and preaches bigotry. He is the most despicable person in the Senate.

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    Enough! (none / 0) (#1)
    by koshembos on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 08:28:27 PM EST
    We are wasting way too much energy on a bottom feeder such as Lieberman. We know who he is; there aren't any real surprises there.

    As for other individuals, who cares? Peretz, Pearl and so on, why are we wasting time on them? Despite all we and other say, the NeocCons are NOT the ruling junta. They may have played an important supportive role, but, again, we have Iraq and may have Iran. We have Bush apparently, blocking an agreement between Syria and Israel.

    Let gather support of shipping Cheney/Bush to the war crime tribunal.

    Lies? (none / 0) (#2)
    by jarober on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 09:00:58 PM EST
    I love the way the left treats viewpoints they disagree with: just call them lies.  

    It's possible to have different beliefs and not be lying.

    Viewpoint? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Al on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 09:16:42 PM EST
    Did you actually read the post?  
    In the campaign, Lieberman said that he would join the Democratic caucus if elected, and his victory was the deciding one that gave the Democrats control of the Senate. But he told me recently that his attachment to the Party is based in some measure on sentiment, and should not necessarily be thought of as eternal.

    This is not a case of different viewpoints. This is a case of saying one thing when you want to get reelected, and turning around and saying the opposite once the election is over. That, my friend, is lying.

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    How Postmodern (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 11:44:50 PM EST
    It's possible to have different beliefs and not be lying.
    Is that your take on the Libby trial too?

    Does it alse apply to things like: Sadaam has WMD's or Iran is the nexus of evil?

    I can see why apologists for this administration would argue that to defend their leaders who couldn't be lying, and if they were it would be for our own good.  

    Our invasion of Iraq was based of lies, or... er, um, cough cough, different beliefs too. That  was bad enough, but what really terrifies most Americans now is that American interests are much, much, less safe. And we are less safe not only from terrorists but from our own government.

    Terrifying the public looks like it is backfiring lately. Most Americans are not comfortable with being bedwetters for more than four years.  

    Too bad for Kimberly Clark

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    Joining the Caucus... (none / 0) (#4)
    by jarober on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 09:57:00 PM EST
    Joining the caucus means voting with them on the leadership - nothing more, nothing less.  Last time I looked, Senators didn't have to vote with the party members in lockstep.

    Or did you think that we had a parliamentary system?

    There's more to it (none / 0) (#6)
    by LarryE on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 02:37:58 AM EST
    Who you caucus with affects committee assignments. The fact that the two independents in the Senate - Lieberman and Bernie Sanders - caucus with the Democrats is what gives the Dems their 51-49 majority in the Senate and thus control of committees.

    Lieberman switches to the GOP and the Senate is 50-50 and the majority disappears - and control of the various committees, I believe, gets divvied up between the two caucuses. (Someone here with more knowledge of Senate procedure can correct me on that if I'm wrong.)

    So yes, it does matter.

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    Clarification (none / 0) (#7)
    by LarryE on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 02:40:28 AM EST
    Just to be clear, the first sentence of the second paragraph above should begin "Lieberman switches to the GOP caucus," etc.

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    Oh how I wish he would. (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 08:53:07 AM EST
    Typically I have maintained that a congress person should not switch parties out of respect for the voters who voted for him because of his party.

    But, looking at and reading the attacks on him by the Left and Demos I am hopeful he steps up and says:

    You elected an Independent. As an Independent I have noted the attacks on me. Based on this it is apparent that the Democrats do not want me. Since I like to give people what they want, I now change my party to the GOP and announce I am a candidate for the GOP nomination for President.

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    In a 50/50 split, the Vice President gets the tie (none / 0) (#12)
    by kindness on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:33:08 AM EST
    breaker.  Yea, that's right.  I don't think any of us wonder which way Darth is gonna go.

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    Control of the Senate (none / 0) (#14)
    by James DiBenedetto on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 10:04:25 AM EST
    If the Senate is 50-50, the Vice President votes to break the tie, so control of the Senate would return to the Republicans.  

    That was the situation after the 2000 elections.  With a 50-50 Senate, the Democrats were in control for the first 3 weeks of January, with Al Gore voting to break the tie, until the Inauguration, then it was Cheney's vote to give the Republicans control (until Jim Jefforts left the Republicans, making the Senate 50-49 and 1 Independent voting with the Democrats).

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    BTD (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 08:46:24 AM EST
    I am encouraged that a US Senator has had the nerve to tell the Democrats that their actions are encouraging the enemies of our troops in the field, and those who will kill Americans anywhere they can.

    I may move to CT the next time he runs. Just long enough to vote for him.

    BTW - Your odious attack on him demonstrates the lack of restraint and the pure venom spewed by the anti-war Left and Democrats.

    Satire? (none / 0) (#13)
    by kindness on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:34:54 AM EST
    or dickheadedness.....I can't tell.  Gotta check my meter and get it fixed.

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    ppj's kind of guy. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:24:28 AM EST
    What a sorry specimen this less than a man, this craven lying loser, is. This man who cheers killings in movies and preaches bigotry. He is the most despicable person in the Senate.


    Evidently (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 09:31:13 AM EST
    "Low approval ratings can actually be contracted through saliva."

    Lieberman lies.

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    Edger's guidelines (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 10:44:18 AM EST
    This what you say your guidelines for comments are:

    Anyone who wants me or others to be constrained from saying things that insult so that they will NOT feel constrained from doing things that kill, is trying to draw equivalence where there is none, and deserves absolutely no respect, civility, or any kind of tolerence whatever.

    And yet you have the utter gall to quote BTD's over the top comment and claim that it is my type of person.

    And you do it, even though you and I have had no exchange on this thread. It is, in fact, an unprovoked and totally unnecessary personal attack.

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    Utter (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 11:16:10 AM EST
    Please lose the personal insults (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 11:20:41 AM EST
    Take it to email if you want to trash each other please.

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    Gen. Giap quotes: 0, (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 01:25:35 PM EST
    credibility: still holding somewhere below zero.

    Jondee (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 03:40:05 PM EST
    I am waiting for your link.

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    L obviously (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 01:37:54 PM EST
    is another firm believer in "The Noble Lie", as are many of his ignoble, brazenly lying, followers.

    ad hominem attacks (none / 0) (#21)
    by diogenes on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 10:23:59 PM EST
    Ad hominem attacks do not advance good discussion, I guess, unless they are directed at Joe Lieberman, Marty Peretz, et al.