Moonie Times: GOP Congresspersons Aid Al Qaida

By Big Tent Democrat, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Thu May 10, 2007 at 08:17:37 AM EST
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The Moonie Times reports that:

War debate cited as aiding al Qaeda
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates yesterday told Congress that al Qaeda will establish a stronghold in Iraq's Anbar province if U.S. troops pull out prematurely and that the group is reacting to the war debate in Washington by stepping up attacks.
. . . [I]t was disclosed that 11 . . . House Republicans had met unannounced with the president and top aides at the White House on Tuesday. Several participants described a blunt discussion in which lawmakers told the president that the war was unsustainable without public support and was having a corrosive effect on Republican political fortunes.

There you have it. Those 11 Congressional Republicans, including GOP House Leader John Boehner, are emboldening the terrorists. Why do they hate America?

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Just dying laughing here (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2007 at 11:55:27 AM EST

So Gates knows that al Qaeda is reacting to the war debate after he attended that sit down in the desert dug out huh? Gimmee a friggin break Gates! If you are going to cite something aiding al Qaeda fine.........cited from where, who, when, how, throw me a bone here bonehead other than just your credible opinion on STUFF!

Just dying here? (1.00 / 1) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:17:46 PM EST

Don't you mean "there?"

About three years ago I was told on this blog that yes, protests against the war did result in more US military being killed, but since that would end the war quicker, that was morally correct and proper.

As for Gates, whatever he knows about al-Qaida is more than you, me, and the other members of the TL community...


Really, ppj? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by squeaky on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:20:23 PM EST

As for Gates, whatever he knows about al-Qaida is more than you, me, and the other members of the TL community...

And how do you know what he knows?


Yeah, I used to think that people in D,C, (5.00 / 2) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:37:30 PM EST

knew more than I did too. I was very uncool on all this Iraq business also until Colin Powell made his little UN show. I thought that certainly Colin Powell knew more than I did and had some ethics, but nah.....just a big ole liar like the rest of them and now Gates has joined them! Liar Liar loyalty hires on fire so just hire fresh loyalists!


: Tracy - Hate to pop your bubble (1.00 / 0) (#25)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:23:34 PM EST

but you don't. Neither do I.
And neither of us may like the truth.
But give up with the Ego On Parade.

Squeaky (1.00 / 0) (#24)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:20:25 PM EST

Well, you have three years to convince me that you don't.


Just wondering (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Peaches on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:23:12 PM EST

who told you that?

I wouldn't be surprised, since there are many visitors to this blog and if it reflects the demographics of society at large, then surely there have been a few visitors here that are completely off of their rockers. In fact, even if we go by the core contributors to TL over the past three years, going by the rate of mental illness in society there has to be a contributer here or two who really should not be trusted voice of reason - hell, I might be one of 'em. [But, I never said what you said someone said three years ago].


Peaches. (1.00 / 0) (#22)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:16:11 PM EST

I've been doing the archives trick.

It was befoe I started keeping over the top comments in a word file, and somehow the bookmarked link has slipped off into the ether...

The guy had made numerous comments, and was very sincere that a few deaths now would be justified by fewer later.

No one besides me questioned his judgement.


: But that's your argument (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Sailor on Fri May 11, 2007 at 09:28:29 PM EST

The guy had made numerous comments, and was very sincere that a few deaths now would be justified by fewer later.
that's exactly the argument you make, that some americans and iraqis have to die now so more won't die later.
And using one commenter on a blog to smear a whole group of people is fairly low, even for someone who regularly quotes wroingwing blogs as facts.

Wow, who told you that (4.00 / 0) (#17)
by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:32:23 PM EST

and what did they cite?


: Tracy (1.00 / 0) (#23)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:19:11 PM EST

Read my response to Peacges.
His point was that protestors would aid/embolden, etc... but...it served the greater good.
I thought he was, at least, honest...
After all, protests do.

Political will and determination (5.00 / 3) (#7)
by jondee on Thu May 10, 2007 at 12:32:38 PM EST

known in some circles as redoubling the effort when you've lost sight of the goal.

Exommunicated and anathema! Accursed be they! (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by SeeEmDee on Thu May 10, 2007 at 12:34:12 PM EST

Always happens: when the rational voices are ignored, and their advice against a certain action is discounted, and the inevitable disaster occurs, the fanatics 'redouble their efforts' just as Santayana said...but with the added twist of conducting internal pogroms to ensure only those of adequate zeal are in positions of power...and damn any moderation. Soooo predictable.

'Bunker mentality', indeed. The writing was on the wall as far back as 1994; the Repubs not in the crazie's camp had all the warning they needed...

AQ didn't exist in Iraq ... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Sailor on Thu May 10, 2007 at 03:41:19 PM EST

... until bush said 'bring it on.'

They kept their word which is more than bush does.

Uh Huh (1.00 / 3) (#1)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 08:45:47 AM EST

Of course they have and will continue.

This is about poltical will and determinatiom. Attacks and deaths help the Demos.

::Attacks and deaths help the Demos:: (5.00 / 3) (#2)
by Edger on Thu May 10, 2007 at 08:54:06 AM EST

That one is pretty far, far out there, Jim. Even for you.


Republicans emboldening the terrorists? (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:11:32 AM EST

You agree witht he Moonie Times on that?

I'm a bit surprised you think so I must admit.


BTD (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:07:10 PM EST

Any political oppositon to the war aids and emboldens the terrorists.

Be that from Demos or Repubs.

And why are you surprised??

I keep telling you that I am an Independent.


Proof? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by squeaky on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:12:07 PM EST

There is proof that al-Qaida is unhappy with the anti-war talk of the Democrats and loves the warmongering of Republicans like you.

You and your tough talk emboldens the terrorists.


squeaky (1.00 / 0) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:19:38 PM EST

Proof?

Sigh...

Okay squeaky.

Got link??


: Find it Yourself (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by squeaky on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:21:37 PM EST

It has been posted on TL recently.

I know (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:44:18 PM EST

al Qaeda is just glued to the leftwing blogs. That's the only place you hear much about the opposition because it really isn't on MSM. Al Qaeda is sitting in the Iraq desert hiding out, making IED's, and reading internet leftwing blogs during lunch break which inspires them to make bigger bombs. It has nothing to do with "collateral deaths" in their families and soldiers who won't go home all dressed like collateral murderers who destroyed Fallujah twice now for their psycho leadership ;)


Tracy (1.00 / 0) (#21)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:11:42 PM EST

First, you have no idea as to what al-Qaida and etc. is reading.

Secondly, do you think that the Majority Leader of the Senate, the Honorable Harry Reid, Demo of Nevada, annoucing that the war was "lost" was noted by the terrorists??


: Probably (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Edger on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:42:41 PM EST

noted on their copy of the map full of targets Bush-wacked held up for the tv cameras, you figure?

: I am always astounded at what lengths (none / 0) (#28)
by Militarytracy on Fri May 11, 2007 at 12:16:57 PM EST

people will go to to create an evil darkness outside of themselves to focus on. It allows them to be distracted and not have to look at the darkness within themselves.

Come on PPJ (5.00 / 4) (#4)
by Al on Thu May 10, 2007 at 10:35:35 AM EST

Political will and determination? Nobody's buying this crap any more. Iraq is an unmitigated disaster. You've had control of Congress most of the time prior to and during the occupation, unlimited resources, the support of a few countries, notably Britain (good riddance, Tony, by the way), and of course, let us not forget Poland. If you were unable to control Iraq after all this time, who do you expect to believe that it's because of internal GOP grumblings in 2007? You'll be blaming Jane Fonda next.


Al (1.00 / 1) (#11)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 10, 2007 at 02:14:25 PM EST

The anti-war Demos and their base, the Left, has been attacking the war effort since about 4Q03. And many on the Left was doing so before the invasion, during the invasion and continually since the invasion.

The terrorist immediately figured out they could win only through a political coup inside the US.

Unlike you, I do not think my enemy is stupid. I think he is intelligent, hardworking, clever and brave. He is also wrong, immoral and evil.

And is Jane Fonda a memember of the Left? (Does a bear mess in the woods?)


PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by Al on Fri May 11, 2007 at 12:34:14 AM EST

The occupation of Iraq has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with fighting terrorism. The "war effort", as you call it, was directed towards destroying a country that had nothing to do with the September 11 attacks, and posed no threat whatsoever. The invasion was justified to the public based on complete and utter lies. How you can have the gall to come here and pretend you don't know this is beyond me.

Apparently, you don't even know who your enemy is. Let me remind you: It's Osama bin Laden. He ordered the 9-11 attacks. You're not fighting an ideology, or a religion. You're supposed to be fighting a relatively small organization led by a few specific individuals. And you're doing a perfectly lousy job of it. It concerns me greatly that the enemy may be, as you say, intelligent, hardworking, clever and brave. I don't think the enemy - bin Laden and his gang - are stupid at all. This concerns me because the political leaders that are supposed to defend us are not intelligent, hardworking, clever and brave. The Commander-in-Chief is a former alcoholic and drug addict, who made a career by trading on his family name and wealth. He is hampered in his policy decisions by the fact that he lacks even a half-decent college education, having been on a prolonged alcohol and cocaine binge throughout his formative years. Obviously you have to look beyond the idiot to try to understand who wields real power. And there you find the likes of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, sinister, greedy bastards who would sell their mothers if the price was right. They represent a pack of psychotics who believe that America should rule the world, and why not the solar system. They would be funny if they weren't so lethally delusional and incompetent to boot.

It really frightens me that these idiots are the first line of defense that we have against someone like Osama bin Laden, who has had the best education England could offer, and probably has never touched a drop of alcohol in his life. We confront this terrorist chess master with clowns like you, babbling incoherently about the "Left" and the "Demos", and yes, for pity's sake, Jane Fonda. God help us all.


Al's let ear now holds (none / 0) (#29)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 11, 2007 at 01:47:45 PM EST

Look, I understand that you want to claim that there is no connection between terrorism and Iraq. That way you can claim that we shouldn't be in Iraq and justify what you must know is a harmful to the country and our troops political attack on Bush.

But it really doesn't work.

We have just seen in this country, fellow travelers and useful idiots do not need to be card carrying members to do harm to us.

We have heard what Iran has said, and watched Iran and Syria aid the terrorists while condemning Israel and the US.

The 9/11 commission made the point that Iraq and the terrorists had agreed to work together on weapons development. An enemy of my enemy is my friend arrangement.

That is poopooed because Iraq was a secular country, to a degree, and the terrorists were supposed radical Moslems and religious fundamentalists. Therefore there was no way one would help the other.

But wait. We invaded Iraq. Now we find al-Qaida in Iraq, helping the secular Baathists by attacking the US. Kind of an enemy of my enemy is my friend thing, eh?

I note the above, which I not think is deniable, and what do I read from you??

It really frightens me that these idiots are the first line of defense...
with clowns like you,

You know Al, I try, I really do try, to be as polite as possible. But when I remember that it was people like you who wouldn't fight the Soviets while "clowns like me" went into the service and did so throughout the Cold War, I just want to puke.

So kindly insert your snarky remarks into your left ear. And when you have given the country a few years of service, let me know and we'll discuss some more.

Until then, reread this comment and try to understand "an enemy of my enemy is my friend." It is a pretty basic concept.


: No connection (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Sailor on Fri May 11, 2007 at 09:33:37 PM EST

Look, I understand that you want to claim that there is no connection between terrorism and Iraq.
The only connection is that after we invaded iraq, a country with no WMDs, no connection to 9/11 and no ability to harm the US, it proved to be the greatest terrerist recruiting tool OBL could have hoped for.

Fonda? (none / 0) (#5)
by Edger on Thu May 10, 2007 at 10:56:09 AM EST

They Shoot [Protesters], Don't They?
